Open 775: Hard-Boiled Eggs [Game Over]

[Battle Mage]

Vote: ejjinami

3 consecutive posts, and 2 consecutive posts on the first page? Pull yourself together!

Either an over-zealous townie desperate to make their mark, or a nefarious goon trying to muddy the waters by making the game thread needlessly long.



Strategy wise, I like Tet's idea of exploiting the tracker-hider combo. Although we would need to play the day phase a bit cautiously to reduce the likelihood of outing the tracker. And we'd have to hope the tracker didn't go rogue and pick vigilante or something!

An alternative would be that we all say who we will target each night as hider, so if the real hider dies, we have a trail, but also we don't out them.

[Battle Mage]

Well...having read some of ejjinami's old games....I stand corrected. If anything, this is slightly more mellow and chilled out than normal.

Although I couldn't see any games with you as scum to really test the theory - any suggestions?

Unvote: ejjinami

Let's try

Vote: Dkkoba

I'm not convinced by "Hello, this is my first non-newbie game". It reads a bit like "please don't lynch me, I'm new".

Furthermore, I can see this isn't your first non-newbie game. Why lie?

[Battle Mage]

Vote: ejjinami

3 consecutive posts, and 2 consecutive posts on the first page? Pull yourself together!

Either an over-zealous townie desperate to make their mark, or a nefarious goon trying to muddy the waters by making the game thread needlessly long.



Strategy wise, I like Tet's idea of exploiting the tracker-hider combo. Although we would need to play the day phase a bit cautiously to reduce the likelihood of outing the tracker. And we'd have to hope the tracker didn't go rogue and pick vigilante or something!

An alternative would be that we all say who we will target each night as hider, so if the real hider dies, we have a trail, but also we don't out them.

Pfffft, I’m kinda tempted to start spamming the thread just to irritate you more
That’s EXACTLY why games here are so hard to start lol. I’m not gonna stop myself from posting just because... posts are apparently a pain to read???

Hahahaha, actually that might be the only explanation.

If you wanna fake a read at the beginning of the game, that’s fine but I most likely won’t. So you’ll just likely have to deal with me spamming the thread till I figure out what to do.

Wow...no need to take it personally!

[Battle Mage]

People should stop talking about roles, it doesn't benefit village and gives the werewolves more information than they deserve about who is or isn't what role. If you feel the need to discuss the setup, do so in a way that doesn't spew you as not X role. Hider outing is a terrible idea, optimal play for hider is to hide behind their strongest townread each night unless that player is vulnerable to a nightkill and if hider outs then it becomes very simple to narrow down who they are going to visit at night. Vigilante is also a lot more power for town than tracker, and the vigilante should be shooting the counterwagon each night, so as long as the vigilante is doing their job there should never be any real risk of the vigilante inadvertently hitting the hider. Detective/psychologist is going to have false positives with a vigilante around but that should never be a serious issue when claims happen, as long as they are sensible and don't out on day 2 or day 3 if they happen to get an early result.

I completely disagree with most of this.

However, reference to werewolves, when it's obvious you know there are no werewolves in the game (because you've read the setup) did make me happy, happyorange. I'd consider this quite a bold open from scum, so giving benefit of doubt.

[Battle Mage]

early read, based on a sample of her recent games, is Hiraki = town.

[Battle Mage]

Madoka, why do you think Orange is suspicious for arguing something so obviously wrong, and anti-town, when it was already pretty clear the consensus was against him?

I'm not convinced yet Orange would stick his neck out like that for no reason if he was scum, much more likely to fade into background agreeing with majority.

Not going to elaborate on Hiraki read yet, as still possible he/she will give off some tells. But wanted to reflect initial view, largely as a reminder for me later.

[Battle Mage]

dkkoba, you're not wrong about the logic, obviously. You might be right about orange, but I'm not convinced for the moment. I think the idea that putting pressure on orange to "explain themselves" is a fools errand - clearly orange can't explain it satisfactorily, so you're setting him up to fail.

I'm keeping my vote on you for now. Not buying the aggression and over-confidence in your read.

[Battle Mage]

Madoka, why do you think Orange is suspicious for arguing something so obviously wrong, and anti-town, when it was already pretty clear the consensus was against him?

I don't agree that it's obvious to everyone that it's anti-town. I also think it's risk-reward is worth it. The advantage of not having town play to the optimal strategy of 45 and getting the TV to choose Vig is worth potentially being cast in a bad light, especially because Orange is clearly confident in their ability to argue against the strategy. (I openly guide town into following a bad strategy myself as scum).

You might be right - my sense is that he joined the party too late for it to be very likely he could turn the tide on that, so still feels pretty bold to me (but possible he could just be scum).

However, based on higher likelihood of dkkoba scum, something to come back to later.

[Battle Mage]

dkkoba, you're not wrong about the logic, obviously. You might be right about orange, but I'm not convinced for the moment. I think the idea that putting pressure on orange to "explain themselves" is a fools errand - clearly orange can't explain it satisfactorily, so you're setting him up to fail.

I'm keeping my vote on you for now. Not buying the aggression and over-confidence in your read.

I'm half pressed to just vote you because you don't have an avi. Being aggressive and confident are traits of good players. I suggest you stand down unless you want me to hyperfocus you for your unwarranted shade.

Nah, you're just desperate to vote for me because I'm voting for you, and you're struggling to find any excuse.

Aggression and confidence can be good if you have something strong to back it up. You don't, so seems like it's just an act (which is trait of a scum player). Especially when you opened up with "hello, this is my first non-newbie game", which was about as soft as it gets, and by page 4 you'd moved to stuff like:

"I implore people to put pressure on orange and make them explain themselves."
"If something speaks like scum, then it probably is scum."



For above reasons, and the transparent threat to vote for me even though you are apparently convinced that orange is scum, I'd be comfortable lynching you today.

Vote: Dkkoba

(for added emphasis)

[Battle Mage]

Dkkoba - consider yourself 'shaded' for good reason.

It might be your first game, but panicking about 1 vote on Page 4 isn't a good look.

[Battle Mage]

I don't like the Battle Mage vs DkKoba conflict. Both feel like egotistical players not willing to back down from a challenge. Either could be scum or town from what I've seen. I really don't understand battle mage's argument that because dkkoba said he's new but is also aggressive that means he's scum, though.

That wasn't my argument. The argument is basically:

Dkkoba very aggressive/emotional language and very confident about reads.
Dkkoba has little reason to be that confident in reads, so I'm not convinced it's legit.
The fact Dkkoba started the game passive and became aggressive very quickly is also odd. Although that could be a personality trait perhaps.

Does it mean he's

definitely

scum? Of course not, but at this stage it's a good enough reason for a vote.

I think there's some merit to the suggestion that Allomancer has been pretty non-committal so far, and playing very safe.

Allomancer, care to share some early insights?

And I echo post 118 - Hiraki, what are you talking about?

[Battle Mage]

Allomancer - do you still not have any reads? I got the sense you might have a scumread on me, as I'm the only person you've come close to indicating suspicion of.

Dkkoba - Apologies on the pronoun thing - It's not something I've ever really paid attention to, but will try to remember if it bothers you.

[Battle Mage]

1. What did u mean by not good?

It wasn't a good post.

2. What do u mean by VI i take it back?

Village Idiot.

Hold on....so all that was just a coded way to call me an idiot? keep it classy, and feel free to share some more fascinating insights with the group

[Battle Mage]

I don't like the Battle Mage vs DkKoba conflict. Both feel like egotistical players not willing to back down from a challenge. Either could be scum or town from what I've seen. I really don't understand battle mage's argument that because dkkoba said he's new but is also aggressive that means he's scum, though.

That wasn't my argument. The argument is basically:

Dkkoba very aggressive/emotional language and very confident about reads.
Dkkoba has little reason to be that confident in reads, so I'm not convinced it's legit.
The fact Dkkoba started the game passive and became aggressive very quickly is also odd. Although that could be a personality trait perhaps.

Does it mean he's

definitely

scum? Of course not, but at this stage it's a good enough reason for a vote.

I think there's some merit to the suggestion that Allomancer has been pretty non-committal so far, and playing very safe.

Allomancer, care to share some early insights?

And I echo post 118 - Hiraki, what are you talking about?

Allomancer - do you still not have any reads? I got the sense you might have a scumread on me, as I'm the only person you've come close to indicating suspicion of.

Dkkoba - Apologies on the pronoun thing - It's not something I've ever really paid attention to, but will try to remember if it bothers you.

This questioning of Allom gives me a fake/forced/pre-prepared vibe. Getting a scum-scum vibe from this interaction.
Allom already outed some superficial reads after i pressed him.

I think that's because I'm having fun! It was pre-prepared in the sense that I thought about it before I posted it (as is the case surprisingly often!).

The second time I asked was sort of a rhetorical question - hence the winky face emoji! His "superficial reads" did not really indicate much suspicion of anyone, which is why I tried to prompt him a bit, whilst also pointing out that he had been pretty non-committal.

In better news, you might be half-right if Allom is scum!

[Battle Mage]

Ejjinami - I'm not going to go through every line of that incomprehensible, unwieldy and mysteriously hidden quote post. Will respond to a couple of bits I picked up - your point about me being a decade-old veteran, I actually haven't played for around 9 years prior to coming back a week or so ago, so I'm probably a tad rusty. And my response to Madoka re: Orange was about right - I was quite clearly and deliberately indicating I wasn't convinced with the wagon, but not with great certainty. So just me being honest, I didn't feel certain one way or the other, but had a vibe, and expressed it.

If there's anything else you would like to ask, please do!

Dkkoba - It doesn't really change anything for me to be honest.

[Battle Mage]

I don't like the Battle Mage vs DkKoba conflict. Both feel like egotistical players not willing to back down from a challenge. Either could be scum or town from what I've seen. I really don't understand battle mage's argument that because dkkoba said he's new but is also aggressive that means he's scum, though.

That wasn't my argument. The argument is basically:

Dkkoba very aggressive/emotional language and very confident about reads.
Dkkoba has little reason to be that confident in reads, so I'm not convinced it's legit.
The fact Dkkoba started the game passive and became aggressive very quickly is also odd. Although that could be a personality trait perhaps.

Does it mean he's

definitely

scum? Of course not, but at this stage it's a good enough reason for a vote.

I think there's some merit to the suggestion that Allomancer has been pretty non-committal so far, and playing very safe.

Allomancer, care to share some early insights?

And I echo post 118 - Hiraki, what are you talking about?

This just feels like ur inexperienced here? I don't mean that in a bad way. But being very confident in an early read does not mean it's not genuine. I've not seen you examinate the exact part where he went from passive to aggressive?

Case that part for me will ya?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I think I covered the explanation in the post you quoted.

The reasoning is basically: the confidence was not genuine because there wasn't a strong basis for it; feigning confidence in an early read is dishonest; dishonesty is a scum trait.

[Battle Mage]

I'm not sold on allomancer scum, but I think a wagon there can do good things

Convince me.

Are you saying you weren't convinced by the Allo vs Alo argument on Page 1!?

[Battle Mage]

Hold on....so all that was just a coded way to call me an idiot? keep it classy, and feel free to share some more fascinating insights with the group

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... lage_Idiot

Feel free to educate yourself before you think I'm being derogatory.

Did you even read the thing you linked to? I'll reiterate my advice - showing a bit of manners/courtesy goes a long way! <3

[Battle Mage]

Well...having read some of ejjinami's old games....I stand corrected. If anything, this is slightly more mellow and chilled out than normal.

Although I couldn't see any games with you as scum to really test the theory - any suggestions?

Unvote: ejjinami

Let's try

Vote: Dkkoba

I'm not convinced by "Hello, this is my first non-newbie game". It reads a bit like "please don't lynch me, I'm new".

Furthermore, I can see this isn't your first non-newbie game. Why lie?

scumread and vote in your

second

post

First game in 9 years, probably a bit over-enthusiastic. But my heart was in the right place!

dkkoba,

you're not wrong about the logic, obviously. You might be right about orange, but I'm not convinced for the moment

. I think the idea that putting pressure on orange to "explain themselves" is a fools errand - clearly orange can't explain it satisfactorily, so you're setting him up to fail.

I'm keeping my vote on you for now. Not buying the aggression and over-confidence in your read.

This is very fencesittingly written (the bolded part). You are also denying dkkoba his push by saying it's a fools errand, while if you are trying to sort him you could have just sitten back and see where it goes.

And then after you said he could actually be right, you also say he's setting him up to fail? And he's the one doing the aggressive push? And he's the one who is overly confident, coming from a slot who had a post nr.2 scumread that you continue building on while cornering him?

That's like driving a wild animal into a corner, and then saying to everyone 'yeah see, it's agressive better put it down'

Your previous comment appeared to criticise me for pointing a finger at someone early, and this one seems to criticise me for sitting on the fence, but also being too aggressive. In truth, I don't think the aggressiveness point is quite right anyway. The aggression I identified in dkkoba wasn't just about his push, but also his language in general - from recollection, it was overly emotive and aggressive. In contrast, I wouldn't say me pointing this out was aggressive at all - I was calm, made a point, made a vote, did some emojis - classic.
At best, I'd say you've distorted the facts to paint a picture which doesn't reflect reality.

Madoka, why do you think Orange is suspicious for arguing something so obviously wrong, and anti-town, when it was already pretty clear the consensus was against him?

I don't agree that it's obvious to everyone that it's anti-town. I also think it's risk-reward is worth it. The advantage of not having town play to the optimal strategy of 45 and getting the TV to choose Vig is worth potentially being cast in a bad light, especially because Orange is clearly confident in their ability to argue against the strategy. (I openly guide town into following a bad strategy myself as scum).

You might be right - my sense is that he joined the party too late for it to be very likely he could turn the tide on that, so still feels pretty bold to me (but possible he could just be scum).

However, based on higher likelihood of dkkoba scum, something to come back to later.

And this isn't aggressive and overly confident? You are scumreading a player for something you are doing.

Hmm, not aggressive, no. My point above stands, I think (as above) the issue is you're reading my posts in isolation and not taking into account the context of the rest of the game.

dkkoba, you're not wrong about the logic, obviously. You might be right about orange, but I'm not convinced for the moment. I think the idea that putting pressure on orange to "explain themselves" is a fools errand - clearly orange can't explain it satisfactorily, so you're setting him up to fail.

I'm keeping my vote on you for now. Not buying the aggression and over-confidence in your read.

I'm half pressed to just vote you because you don't have an avi. Being aggressive and confident are traits of good players. I suggest you stand down unless you want me to hyperfocus you for your unwarranted shade.

Nah, you're just desperate to vote for me because I'm voting for you, and you're struggling to find any excuse.

Aggression and confidence can be good if you have something strong to back it up. You don't, so seems like it's just an act (which is trait of a scum player). Especially when you opened up with "hello, this is my first non-newbie game", which was about as soft as it gets, and by page 4 you'd moved to stuff like:

"I implore people to put pressure on orange and make them explain themselves."
"If something speaks like scum, then it probably is scum."



For above reasons, and the transparent threat to vote for me even though you are apparently convinced that orange is scum, I'd be comfortable lynching you today.

Vote: Dkkoba

(for added emphasis)

If dkkoba flips scum at any point, and orange is still alive, lynch orange next. There is absolutely no reason to protect orange like this, even if you have a townread on him. It doesn't help you sorting players, and I don't feel that's the intention here either.

U literally shot an Arrow into dkkoba's knee, and now ur all 'oh look how agressive he is'

I can assure you, my friend, I did not literally shoot an arrow into dkkoba's knee. He's very lucky to have a buddy so passionate in defence of him as you!

On a serious note, I don't know what else to tell ya! I think the reasoning was pretty clear, and it doesn't sound like you disagree. But so far in the post you've put shade on me for:

Having a townread on someone
Having a scumread on someone
Sitting on the fence

I think you just don't like me...

Dkkoba - consider yourself 'shaded' for good reason.

It might be your first game, but panicking about 1 vote on Page 4 isn't a good look.

and this is just piling onto what you want to be a case

I really wanna do want a dkkoba wagon once we're done with allomancer

Ah, now maybe you have a point on this one. Always a risk of confirmation bias. But it's a bit early in the game for me to be so entrenched in a viewpoint that I can't see the wood for the trees (and in fact, you've seen I acknowledged my earlier suspicion of Ejjinami may have been misguided when I did a bit more reading).

Surely you're voting for ME, rather than Dkkoba or Allomancer right!?

[Battle Mage]

Iconeum and I are vibing HARD. He can do all of the typing for me at this point that you guys might want.

I'm cool with that. Iconeum's less mean to me than you are!

[Battle Mage]

how orange isn't talking right now...
is a little concerning.

You're telling me! If he's scum, I've got a rough day ahead tomorrow!

drdolittle should talk more too.
ejjinami being the only one pushing orange with me makes me want to switch off now.
rereading, I think I'll put allo at L-2.

VOTE: allomancer

Surely some scum on that Allo bandwagon now. I need a re-read.

[Battle Mage]

Battle mage how al i defending aalomancer exactly?
Was it my vote on him?

[/quote]

This is quite disappointing, given I went to the effort of responding to your lengthy post. I haven't suggested you defended allomancer.

Hold on....so all that was just a coded way to call me an idiot? keep it classy, and feel free to share some more fascinating insights with the group

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... lage_Idiot

Feel free to educate yourself before you think I'm being derogatory.

Did you even read the thing you linked to? I'll reiterate my advice - showing a bit of manners/courtesy goes a long way! <3

There's nothing derogatory in the quote. If you're offended by it for some strange reason, that's your problem - not mine.

That's not how it works! Definitely scummy attitude here.

[Battle Mage]

This whole game is a soup of ??? but at this rate I'll probably end up voting hiraki at the end of the day, don't know if their weird attempts to gaslight mage by calling them an idiot then insisting they aren't being rude by doing so actually make them a wolf given the way people seem to be behaving in general in this game, but I can see a world where they're going the discredit etc route as a wolf either because they want to make it easier to mislynch mage or because they want to dumpster mage's thread standing. Don't see any reason for them to do it as village other than out of simple mean spiritedness. Don't really know what my read on mage is, think I'd probably be townreading them if it weren't for the peformative way they've been engaging with people. Don't know if they're consciously presenting themselves in a performative manner or if I'm just perceiving their personality that way, or something else.

I have a lot of respect and appreciation for this post. You're right with me - if you look at some of my old games, you'll see I'm very vulnerable to a mislynch!

I'm not sold on Hiraki-scum by any means - but I'm sympathetic to your idea it wouldn't be the worst thing to lynch him if we couldn't find anyone better.

[Battle Mage]

Hiraki notes

It didn't strike me until I re-read, but despite posting often, Hiraki has made almost no contribution to the game so far. Mostly "I like this" or "Don't like that" or "X is town". At one point, asked DrDoLittle to explain his vote, despite the fact he is still voting for 72offsuit (since Page 1?) with no explanation. It does have a lot of hallmarks of scum making minimal actual effort, but wanting to seem like they have something valuable to progress the discussion. Little consistency of view - one post suspicious of Iconeum, subsequent post very friendly towards Iconeum. Has repeatedly conveyed a very confident town-read throughout on Allomancer, but still tempted to jump on the bandwagon at L-2.

Earlier I'd looked at some old Hiraki games, and had an initial town read, but foolishly didn't make notes on which ones/why.

Micro 714 is definitely worth a look if you're keen. In Micro 714, Hiraki (Mafia Goon) also didn't make any real contribution to discussion (died Day 1), and also put most of his focus into arguing about whether someone had a right to be maligned after he had clearly undermined them.

For contrast, in Minimal Normal 2002, Hiraki (Town) quite quickly got stuck in with views, which were well thought-out and coherently expressed.

From a quick skim of various other games, Hiraki's attitude to the game isn't a tell - he swears a lot and can be unduly aggressive regardless of alignment.
the distinction, on this very small sample, appears to be that Hiraki-town gives enough information to support his position, so that he has some hope of persuading others to join him. Hiraki-scum doesn't give enough information to influence anybody, but also not enough information for anyone to be able to disagree.

In this game, as with Micro 714, although Hiraki has thrown shade and picked sides (without saying why), he hasn't given enough of a hook to grab onto, or to really judge his reasoning one way or another.

Unvote, Vote: Hiraki

[Battle Mage]

That's not how it works! Definitely scummy attitude here.

Hiraki's attitude to the game isn't a tell - he swears a lot and can be unduly aggressive regardless of alignment.

Contradicting yourself right after is pretty neat.[/quote]

It's not contradicting myself - it's changing my mind based on the evidence.

[Battle Mage]

Oops, I haven't mastered this quote thing - above was response to Hiraki above.

[Battle Mage]

Not enough people voting for Hiraki here... Would be great if people could explain why, making reference to my watertight case against him!

[Battle Mage]

First VOTE: Hiraki

First is the Worst

VOTE: Tet

Vote: 72offsuit

I can see you're going to fit right in.

[Battle Mage]

Something obviously not right with the Orange wagon. Came a bit out of nowhere, given he was considered very suspicious early on, then it sort of died down, and now since I made the compelling case against Hiraki-scum, and Allomancer teetered on the brink, the orange-wagon got a second wind (with the most suspicious players moving over).

Does that mean Orange is town? Seems unlikely his buddies would bus him for no reason, so gut says still likely to be town.

Which means I won't be joining the wagon, and worth noting Dkkoba-scum dutifully following the lead of his boss Hiraki-scum. Hiraki, naturally, giving no reason for his vote.

[Battle Mage]

Something obviously not right with the Orange wagon. Came a bit out of nowhere, given he was considered very suspicious early on, then it sort of died down, and now since I made the compelling case against Hiraki-scum, and Allomancer teetered on the brink, the orange-wagon got a second wind (with the most suspicious players moving over).

Does that mean Orange is town? Seems unlikely his buddies would bus him for no reason, so gut says still likely to be town.

Which means I won't be joining the wagon, and worth noting Dkkoba-scum dutifully following the lead of his boss Hiraki-scum. Hiraki, naturally, giving no reason for his vote.

I'm just going to put it as nicely as possible, but your reading skills are not good here. I think you are town, just that you are playing badly.

playing badly? on what basis? Would love to hear this explanation.

And if that's the nicest you could put it, you should consider going on a communications course or something...

[Battle Mage]

There's a term for that DkKoba!

Could you two scumbuddies be any more transparent?

[Battle Mage]

I'm not interested in voting orange.

why

Just because I'm not responding to your branches doesn't mean I'm scum madoka

That's not why I think you're scum. I can't follow your thoughts and you're just posting fluff.

hello DDL can you respond

The hypocrisy! Try responding to my questions in 264 and 265, since you allegedly have so much free time on your hands!

[Battle Mage]

DDL is probably town - scum would go with the flow, but he has had the courage to stand up for poor orange.

[Battle Mage]

People should stop talking about roles, it doesn't benefit village and gives the werewolves more information than they deserve about who is or isn't what role. If you feel the need to discuss the setup, do so in a way that doesn't spew you as not X role. Hider outing is a terrible idea, optimal play for hider is to hide behind their strongest townread each night unless that player is vulnerable to a nightkill and if hider outs then it becomes very simple to narrow down who they are going to visit at night. Vigilante is also a lot more power for town than tracker, and the vigilante should be shooting the counterwagon each night, so as long as the vigilante is doing their job there should never be any real risk of the vigilante inadvertently hitting the hider. Detective/psychologist is going to have false positives with a vigilante around but that should never be a serious issue when claims happen, as long as they are sensible and don't out on day 2 or day 3 if they happen to get an early result.

This whole game is a soup of ??? but at this rate I'll probably end up voting hiraki at the end of the day, don't know if their weird attempts to gaslight mage by calling them an idiot then insisting they aren't being rude by doing so actually make them a wolf given the way people seem to be behaving in general in this game, but I can see a world where they're going the discredit etc route as a wolf either because they want to make it easier to mislynch mage or because they want to dumpster mage's thread standing. Don't see any reason for them to do it as village other than out of simple mean spiritedness. Don't really know what my read on mage is, think I'd probably be townreading them if it weren't for the peformative way they've been engaging with people. Don't know if they're consciously presenting themselves in a performative manner or if I'm just perceiving their personality that way, or something else.

These are town posts

No they're not.

This was a real VI post!

Very Informative.

[Battle Mage]

I agree with the last few lines of 223 actually. Battle Mages forced /performative stance is something I've been wondering about too.

Look at like any of my games, ever.

ok I've had enough. deadline is 40% over and I think it's time

I hardclaim hider

Hiraki you wont need to fight for it with a clear on your side.

Omg...

Please explain how you being a hider clears Hiraki. And then respond to the other questions you've been conspicuously dodging, if only to satisfy my curiousity.

[Battle Mage]

Also I have a surprise read I may reveal sometime tonight, I just want to let some more of this discussion play out before i do

What was your surprise read? Since you've gone as far as claiming your role, now would be the time to share.

(For what it's worth, I don't see why on earth you would claim hider now as scum, so the surprise read for me is that you are town!)

Not here to interact. Have work now but came to agree with ddl that at least post 57 comes from a town mindset though misguided imo. The other post I'm not convinced but I don't generally find orange suspicious outside of his absence when queried.

Think battle mage is a bit salty and that's the bulk of his scumread. I have other reasons to suspect Hiraki and it wouldn't be a partnership with dkkoba.

Then again I have reasons to scumread like 6-7 slots at the moment so take it with a grain of salt.

I was kind of hoping someone would pick up on what I've been getting from Hiraki or 72. Battle mage came somewhat close but still feel he is missing the mark by focusing on the small stuff.

That is all.

This is a remarkably safe post - if you were short on time, it would probably have been quicker to say what you thought, rather than go to the effort of talking around it. Tet-Hiraki scumpair could work, but would require Orange to be town.

There's a term for that DkKoba!

Could you two scumbuddies be any more transparent?

Why do you think post makes them scumbuddies?

It was a joke, in reference to the fact they are buddying each other.

Hiraki you wont need to fight for it with a clear on your side.

Actually, yes I will? This isn't epicmafia bub.

This illustrates why I hurt my bottom(?) over the idiot comments.

Jokes aside, still happy with a Hiraki lynch today. Although post 313 from Orange is desperately poor.

[Battle Mage]

It's odd that in 320 you suggest everyone looks so scummy, it's hard to tell them apart, and your main challenge is working out who might be town.

And then in 321 suggest that you look so town, nobody could possibly think you are scum (which is 100% untrue).

[Battle Mage]

But that was for A50 specifically.

What??

[Battle Mage]

Tet - I'd vote you for being so opaque if I hadn't already found scum for today!

[Battle Mage]

This is a remarkably safe post - if you were short on time, it would probably have been quicker to say what you thought, rather than go to the effort of talking around it. Tet-Hiraki scumpair could work, but would require Orange to be town.

Just saying I think Hiraki is scum doesn't get me to my end goal of identifying town unfortunately. And in a game where many slots are making a case for why they should be lynched instead of projecting that they are in fact town, it's important to find a distinction. Or at least separate slots that are doing so because they are simply scum from the ones that are doing so intentionally. The latter likely being town.

This line comes off as a whole lot of nonsense.

Tet - I'd vote you for being so opaque if I hadn't already found scum for today!

Who is scum?

Hiraki I think. Possibly Tet too. Probably others. I could ask you a million questions, but:

A. You haven't made any effort to answer any other question I've asked recently, despite posting fluff regularly in the meantime. Which is also why I don't feel too embarrassed for thinking you were scum.
B. A lot of it is redundant as you are pretty much confirmed town, but I have very little confidence in your reads.

[Battle Mage]

Ah I forgot to say re: the first quote, I agree.

[Battle Mage]

72offsuit is town.

DDL is scum.

Allomancer and Orange may both be town.

Hiraki is scum.

Dkkoba is town.

Tet is scum.

So we could lynch Hiraki, Tet or DDL today. Not keen on either Orange or Allomancer - does anyone have a good reason for voting for them?

[Battle Mage]

Not keen on either Orange or Allomancer - does anyone have a good reason for voting for them?

Are you even reading the game?

Unfortunately yes. Is ignorance bliss?

[Battle Mage]

@dkkoba, how are you townreading mage?

That was an old read, I'm keeping reads to myself now. now you can hop out my pocket <3

Amazing, a confirmed townie who outted prematurely for no rhyme or reason, and now won't help. Can things get any better!?

[Battle Mage]

I haven't seen any votes or cases that really have any substance

battle mage has had 2 extensive cases already
there is me pushing allomancer for his shady post and vote, plus my case on battle mage

plenty of content to talk about

Yeah, I'm exhausted with this day to be honest (can you tell?)

[Battle Mage]

Iconeum - your 'case' against me below, is based on your assertion I voted for Hiraki after Dkkoba claimed. This is untrue. In fact, it's so untrue, I can't believe you bothered to make it up. As I recall dkkoba claimed BECAUSE I'd voted for Hiraki.

I can live with an Iconeum lynch today for good ol' fashioned lies and deceit.

battlemage, first you build a case from the ground up starting in nearly your opening post on dkkoba
then when you can't continue that, you

instantly

devize a new case on someone you were previously townreading, and gave not a single indication to otherwise about

early read, based on a sample of her recent games, is Hiraki = town.

nice and easy townread on hiraki

1. What did u mean by not good?

It wasn't a good post.

2. What do u mean by VI i take it back?

Village Idiot.

Hold on....so all that was just a coded way to call me an idiot? keep it classy, and feel free to share some more fascinating insights with the group

annoyed at hiraki, but nothing remotely thinking this could be scum

Iconeum and I are vibing HARD. He can do all of the typing for me at this point that you guys might want.

I'm cool with that. Iconeum's less mean to me than you are!

not an interaction with a scumread if you ask me

Hiraki notes

It didn't strike me until I re-read, but despite posting often, Hiraki has made almost no contribution to the game so far. Mostly "I like this" or "Don't like that" or "X is town". At one point, asked DrDoLittle to explain his vote, despite the fact he is still voting for 72offsuit (since Page 1?) with no explanation. It does have a lot of hallmarks of scum making minimal actual effort, but wanting to seem like they have something valuable to progress the discussion. Little consistency of view - one post suspicious of Iconeum, subsequent post very friendly towards Iconeum. Has repeatedly conveyed a very confident town-read throughout on Allomancer, but still tempted to jump on the bandwagon at L-2.

Earlier I'd looked at some old Hiraki games, and had an initial town read, but foolishly didn't make notes on which ones/why.

Micro 714 is definitely worth a look if you're keen. In Micro 714, Hiraki (Mafia Goon) also didn't make any real contribution to discussion (died Day 1), and also put most of his focus into arguing about whether someone had a right to be maligned after he had clearly undermined them.

For contrast, in Minimal Normal 2002, Hiraki (Town) quite quickly got stuck in with views, which were well thought-out and coherently expressed.

From a quick skim of various other games, Hiraki's attitude to the game isn't a tell - he swears a lot and can be unduly aggressive regardless of alignment.
the distinction, on this very small sample, appears to be that Hiraki-town gives enough information to support his position, so that he has some hope of persuading others to join him. Hiraki-scum doesn't give enough information to influence anybody, but also not enough information for anyone to be able to disagree.

In this game, as with Micro 714, although Hiraki has thrown shade and picked sides (without saying why), he hasn't given enough of a hook to grab onto, or to really judge his reasoning one way or another.

Unvote, Vote: Hiraki

and after dkoba claim, BOOM insta scumread
it's also in the same style as your previous one, a hard case without any kind of effort into actually sorting the slot

both of them (hiraki and dkoba) feel very forced, like you feel obliged to have a read like this out.
what's your read on allomancer?

second vote: battle mage

please stand by, once i'm done with allomancer i'll be all over you

[Battle Mage]

I didn't out prematurely. The deadline was 40% done and the discussion was not going in a productive direction(i.e. too focused on me who would be confirmed clear).

Honestly, do you not see that the value of having you cleared is greatly diminished if you then don't do or say anything. You should be helping to lynch scum today, and worry about whether/where you're hiding later.

[Battle Mage]

@dkkoba, how are you townreading mage?

That was an old read, I'm keeping reads to myself now. now you can hop out my pocket <3

Amazing, a confirmed townie who outted prematurely for no rhyme or reason, and now won't help. Can things get any better!?

It makes sense for the hider not to share reads so that scum don't know who he's gonna visit.

If he's clever, he won't visit someone predictable. Or maybe he will. Who knows?

Scum won't know who he's gonna visit unless he tells them - giving reads and playing the game during the day, doesn't dictate what he does at night. AT ALL.

[Battle Mage]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

416 and 418, not 418 and 423. It's just a bad idea for the hider to give reads, but that doesn't mean he can't scum hunt.

Well, he gets a free check at night. Dkkoba dropping pressure on a slot signals to scum that there was a check there and that takes away a mislynch avenue but scum are privy to it. Then they axe that slot the following night.

The more clears that the hider has, or potential clears floating around, the more scum needs to panic.

I think the hider has a pretty short life expectancy in this game, given they die if they target scum or vig, or if they target someone who is also killed.

In a different game, you might have a point.

[Battle Mage]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

Because you realized it's actually a good post, or because you realized it has zero bearing on mage's alignment?

Neither. I read 423 out of context, so it didn't say what I thought it said initially. I'm not sure where I'm placing Battle Mage yet.

This is a bad post.

VOTE: Battle Mage

423

Ftr

I can easily see how you could take 423 out of context - it was pretty ambiguous!

[Battle Mage]

oh no, messed up the quotes on that one! MOD - please help!

Is that right?

[Battle Mage]

@allomancer, is there any particular reason you started giving game thoughts *after* 72 called you out on that? Did you just get caught?

I really don't see any town reasoning behind Dkkoba's recent posts.
VOTE: DkKoba

then what do you see? this is so superficial it makes me cringe

do you scumread his intention? do you see a scum setting something up?

->what and which posts make you scumread dkkoba?

VOTE: allomancer

allomancer plz respond

The series of posts were he tried to claim mafia bussing orange. While I obviously didn't think he was telling the truth, I couldn't see why town would do that, so I voted him thinking he was scum pushing a mislynch. Obviously that has since changed.

Could you see any reason why scum would do that? Why didn't you put this in a post in the first place, it's not like it's essay lenght or anything

Iconeum - your 'case' against me below, is based on your assertion I voted for Hiraki after Dkkoba claimed. This is untrue. In fact, it's so untrue, I can't believe you bothered to make it up. As I recall dkkoba claimed BECAUSE I'd voted for Hiraki.

I can live with an Iconeum lynch today for good ol' fashioned lies and deceit.

battlemage, first you build a case from the ground up starting in nearly your opening post on dkkoba
then when you can't continue that, you

instantly

devize a new case on someone you were previously townreading, and gave not a single indication to otherwise about

early read, based on a sample of her recent games, is Hiraki = town.

nice and easy townread on hiraki

1. What did u mean by not good?

It wasn't a good post.

2. What do u mean by VI i take it back?

Village Idiot.

Hold on....so all that was just a coded way to call me an idiot? keep it classy, and feel free to share some more fascinating insights with the group

annoyed at hiraki, but nothing remotely thinking this could be scum

Iconeum and I are vibing HARD. He can do all of the typing for me at this point that you guys might want.

I'm cool with that. Iconeum's less mean to me than you are!

not an interaction with a scumread if you ask me

Hiraki notes

It didn't strike me until I re-read, but despite posting often, Hiraki has made almost no contribution to the game so far. Mostly "I like this" or "Don't like that" or "X is town". At one point, asked DrDoLittle to explain his vote, despite the fact he is still voting for 72offsuit (since Page 1?) with no explanation. It does have a lot of hallmarks of scum making minimal actual effort, but wanting to seem like they have something valuable to progress the discussion. Little consistency of view - one post suspicious of Iconeum, subsequent post very friendly towards Iconeum. Has repeatedly conveyed a very confident town-read throughout on Allomancer, but still tempted to jump on the bandwagon at L-2.

Earlier I'd looked at some old Hiraki games, and had an initial town read, but foolishly didn't make notes on which ones/why.

Micro 714 is definitely worth a look if you're keen. In Micro 714, Hiraki (Mafia Goon) also didn't make any real contribution to discussion (died Day 1), and also put most of his focus into arguing about whether someone had a right to be maligned after he had clearly undermined them.

For contrast, in Minimal Normal 2002, Hiraki (Town) quite quickly got stuck in with views, which were well thought-out and coherently expressed.

From a quick skim of various other games, Hiraki's attitude to the game isn't a tell - he swears a lot and can be unduly aggressive regardless of alignment.
the distinction, on this very small sample, appears to be that Hiraki-town gives enough information to support his position, so that he has some hope of persuading others to join him. Hiraki-scum doesn't give enough information to influence anybody, but also not enough information for anyone to be able to disagree.

In this game, as with Micro 714, although Hiraki has thrown shade and picked sides (without saying why), he hasn't given enough of a hook to grab onto, or to really judge his reasoning one way or another.

Unvote, Vote: Hiraki

and after dkoba claim, BOOM insta scumread
it's also in the same style as your previous one, a hard case without any kind of effort into actually sorting the slot

both of them (hiraki and dkoba) feel very forced, like you feel obliged to have a read like this out.
what's your read on allomancer?

second vote: battle mage

please stand by, once i'm done with allomancer i'll be all over you

Well, if it's actually true that you cased Hiraki prior to the claim then most of my case falls in the water. If you think I'm scum pushing a bad case on you then you should 100% come after me.

Erm why would town just make stuff up?

Well okay then, apologies for the good 'ol lies and deceit there battle mage

I think at this stage you might as well come clean. Seems like the game is up!

[Battle Mage]

Orange and BM are you still open to lynching Hiraki?

Aye

[Battle Mage]

Yep still happy with a Hiraki lynch today. I can put some stuff down to a player who is learning the ropes, but I think he's scum.

Also Iconeum could easily be scum.

Tet could be scum, and so could DDL.

Happyorange is probably town. 72offsuit is probably town.

Confirm Vote: Hiraki

[Battle Mage]

Also much love to the Mod for fixing my broken posts <3

[Battle Mage]

confirm vote lol

You need to put it in bold....





...noob

[Battle Mage]

you're already voting me why do you need to confirm it?

just because you're acting like an idiot doesn't mean that i can't make fun of you for it

A lazy attempt to build some momentum behind it!

Acting like an idiot? Speak for yourself.

Do you have

any

reason why people shouldn't vote for you today? Do you have any scumreads to share?

[Battle Mage]

Eh, never playing another game here imo. Don't think I've been in many places more toxic and completely absent of any sense of empathy or the desire to understand and appreciate others. Makes me feel very grateful for what I have here at home. Pretty glad to be on the way out in this game.

Ah man, sorry you feel that way. I think you're a cool dude, but you're right some people can be jerks.

Vote count 1.11

happyorange (3)

- Almost50, Hiraki, 72offsuit

72offsuit (3)

- Aloratom, happyorange, Madoka

Allomancer (2)

- Tet, DrDolittle

Hiraki (1)

- Battle Mage

Tet (1)

- Looker

Madoka (1)

- Iconeum

DrDolittle (1)

- DkKoba

not voting (1) -

Allomancer

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-04-11 09:00:00)

mod notes:

-

I see we've added like 6 pages, and made no progress? Well, I'll catch up anyway, maybe I can convince some of you to actually bandwagon some scum today...

[Battle Mage]

unvote, vote: DDL

I'll catch up in the morning. no lynching in the meantime please.

[Battle Mage]

Orange - get on the DDL wagon!

[Battle Mage]

Also, something has tickled me about the player "happyorange" being the most miserable and angry in the game. more like "angryorange"!

[Battle Mage]

I feel like this is where I'm at.
No, you aren't getting more than this reads list. Deal with it.

Townread
DkKoba





Null-town
happyorange
Aloratom

Null logjam
Madoka
Almost50 ejjinami
Allomancer
Looker
Battle Mage
Iconeum

Null-scum
Tet

Scumlean
Hiraki

Scumread
DrDolittle

This made me laugh. Your top 3 scumreads are the same as mine. Number 4 - me??

Seems like good reads besides that, and I do continue to believe you are town.

I'm going to attempt a re-read and review now - hold fire!

[Battle Mage]

Iconeum ISO is an interesting read. He obviously wants to be the leader and push the agenda which is null. He asks a lot of questions of everybody else, but devotes much less effort to giving his own observations, and has virtually nothing in terms of votes/cases on other people. Consider that scummy, as it creates the appearance of actually scumhunting and wanting to make progress, without actually doing any meaningful work, or giving any opinions which will benefit the town. He hasn't had much inclination towards actually finding scum, and little evidence of the classic 'make a case -> cast a vote'. Occasionally he has thrown shade without having the guts to cast a vote - again, pretty weak and scummy. His reads (though limited) are all over the place - he made a half-hearted case against me for attacking Dkkoba, then threatened to vote Dkkoba for it, then later made another nonsense case against me and voted me for it, before backtracking and apologising for talking complete rubbish. His next vote after apologising for having no case against me? Me, with no explanation. He gave up on that quite quickly, and before anyone held him to account, and started tunnelling Madoka. He was also part of Orange wagon, so if he is town, it's been a pretty poor showing so far. Not a concrete read, but more likely than average to be scum, and lower than average value to town, so probably a good pick for a Day 1 lynch.

Madoka is opposite to Iconeum, in that Madoka:
a) Doesn't seem remotely bothered by Iconeum.
b) Is clearly trying to find scum, and then persuade people to vote for them.
c) Doesn't seem to care much about whether people think he is scum or not.
He's basically playing like a townie. Also seems to have better reads than Iconeum.
However I baulked a bit at post 740, which felt a bit like scum lining up future targets. Noted that Orange-scum means BattleMage-scum, and Orange-town means BattleMage-scum, so not really sure why Madoka has not been voting for me at all?
Gut feeling overall is probably town.

Iconeum-wagon at the moment is town-led, so looks like a good-un.

[Battle Mage]

Iconeum - I don't know what you're trying to achieve with those 6 posts, apart from to try and divert attention from my record of your behaviour. Which is quite transparent and scummy in itself!

FoS: Iconeum

b) Is clearly trying to find scum, and then persuade people to vote for them

riiight like that time where madoka voted for his townread after it claimed a pr

I think that was dumb, but not a scumtell.

battlemage your post is so full of errors it's making my eyes bleed

I love this. I don't think you're in any position to be calling others out for errors.

[Battle Mage]

your main points are:

-me not casing and voting others:

untrue

TRUE

-my reads being all over the place: true -> is this scummy? do you know who scum is?
-me not doing anything meaningfull: untrue. while there is grey area in the term meaningfull, stating I didn't produce cases and votes of my own is simply a lie and a downplay.

It would be a waste of my time to go over this again. You ain't foolin' anybody dude.

Did I make an error in my case on you? Yes. I don't see why you think that's scummy.

It's scummy because you admitted you made an error, and had no case. Then voted for me.

Your tone in all of this makes it pretty obvious that you know I'm town. Given your reads so far, that's enough cause for me to double-check my role pm.

[Battle Mage]

I've been trying to meta Looker for the past 30 mins, and I still don't know...Head says probably town, Heart says could be scum. *shrug*

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: DrDoolittle

we do not have time to argue over lynches anymore

Unvote, Vote: Iconeum

You've convinced me, nice work Hiraki!

[Battle Mage]

16 hours. Anyone off ddl that doesn't vote him in their next post is advocating for a no lynch.

Nope. I'll be around to jump on the DDL wagon if needed. But for now, there's plenty enough time to lynch your friend Iconeum!

[Battle Mage]

16 hours. Anyone off ddl that doesn't vote him in their next post is advocating for a no lynch.

Nope. I'll be around to jump on the DDL wagon if needed. But for now, there's plenty enough time to lynch your friend Iconeum!

I'm good.

You're not that good

[Battle Mage]

if DDL is scum, I'm happy that Madoka is very likely town.

[Battle Mage]

has he claimed yet?

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Iconeum

[Battle Mage]

Ah dkkoba, do you have a confirmed townie today?

[Battle Mage]

I'm keeping my conf town to myself for now.

I actually thought you might do this but then I decided to have a higher opinion of you...

I'd rather we didn't waste time and got on with lynching actual potential scum today. I'm not going to bother doing anything until you claim your target.

[Battle Mage]

aww shucks, thanks Tet

[Battle Mage]

bet money? he might be confirmed town, per dkkoba? *shrug*

[Battle Mage]

Ok i will give you all a hint. Its not BM. VOTE: battle mage

HA! Don't be a sourpuss. You mislynched DDL yesterday, would be useful if you could play for the good guys today.

[Battle Mage]

Still that's a shame, being confirmed town today would have been helpful....

[Battle Mage]

Vote count 1.14

DrDolittle (7)

- Allomancer, Hiraki, Madoka, 72offsuit, happyorange, Looker, DkKoba

----LYNCHED

Allomancer (3)

- Tet, DrDolittle, Aloratom

Iconeum (1)

- Battle Mage

Madoka (1)

- Iconeum

not voting (1) -

Almost50

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

mod notes:

-

2 conf town on DDL, likely all town on Allo given:

A.) The breakdown of that wagon early in the day not being based on Allo picking up his play.
B.) Allo would be the counterwagon to BOTH happy AND DDL

3 vanity voters in BM, Ico, A50. Likely contains 1 scum but it's not guaranteed.

On wagon minus conf!scum Allo or confirmed town: Hiraki, Madoka, 72, Looker.

The real shame is one of my more solid townreads was flashlynched and conftown led it.

Nice analysis, and helpful to you personally given it confirms yourself as town.

In reality, I think it's hard to read too much into this yet - probably worth picking this up tomorrow, or at least when we know what Allomancer is - who knows, maybe Dkkoba can confirm him as town?

Surely expect there to be 1 scum on both the lead and 2nd biggest wagon though.

[Battle Mage]

I didn't want to have to lead you guys by the nose so I was kind of hoping Ico was town and could lead instead but I can't exactly trust him at the moment.

So pony up, I'm the Sheriff now.

VOTE: Allomancer

No offense btw Ico.

I'll follow you sheriff.

VOTE: Allomancer

Useful if our hider can confirm if Allomancer is town before he gets lynched...

I'll

unvote

because there's literally no point until the town has all the info. At the moment, Dkkoba's master plan is to run me up, without having a confirmed-town read on me, so what purpose is served by concealing the information, I have no idea. Just a silly ego trip...

[Battle Mage]

1027 and 1028 both feel scummy, like BM is trying to get Dk to reveal who he visited, which I don't think is in town's interest. Better for him and the tracker to keep it quiet until one of them dies or we're about to mislynch a conftown.

VOTE: Battle Mage

this is your best contribution? Jeez man, this is why I think you could easily be town, but an easy mislynch.

In terms of the actual comment - yes I'm quite OBVIOUSLY trying to get Dk to reveal who he visited, which is 100% in the town's interest, because we want to have maximum time to investigate actual suspects, rather than dancing to the tune of a lunatic.

Your suggestion that dkkoba should keep his confirmed townie quiet until he dies is appalling.

[Battle Mage]

Vote count 1.14

DrDolittle (7)

- Allomancer, Hiraki, Madoka, 72offsuit, happyorange, Looker, DkKoba

----LYNCHED

Allomancer (3)

- Tet, DrDolittle, Aloratom

Iconeum (1)

- Battle Mage

Madoka (1)

- Iconeum

not voting (1) -

Almost50

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

mod notes:

-

2 conf town on DDL, likely all town on Allo given:

A.) The breakdown of that wagon early in the day not being based on Allo picking up his play.
B.) Allo would be the counterwagon to BOTH happy AND DDL

3 vanity voters in BM, Ico, A50. Likely contains 1 scum but it's not guaranteed.

On wagon minus conf!scum Allo or confirmed town: Hiraki, Madoka, 72, Looker.

The real shame is one of my more solid townreads was flashlynched and conftown led it.

Nice analysis, and helpful to you personally given it confirms yourself as town.

In reality, I think it's hard to read too much into this yet - probably worth picking this up tomorrow, or at least when we know what Allomancer is - who knows, maybe Dkkoba can confirm him as town?

Surely expect there to be 1 scum on both the lead and 2nd biggest wagon though.

Posts like these are why DkKoba's wagon won't have trouble picking up steam. Whenever you're ready to play give me your thoughts on Allomancer.

I didn't want to have to lead you guys by the nose so I was kind of hoping Ico was town and could lead instead but I can't exactly trust him at the moment.

So pony up, I'm the Sheriff now.

VOTE: Allomancer

No offense btw Ico.

I'll follow you sheriff.

VOTE: Allomancer

Useful if our hider can confirm if Allomancer is town before he gets lynched...

I'll

unvote

because there's literally no point until the town has all the info. At the moment, Dkkoba's master plan is to run me up, without having a confirmed-town read on me, so what purpose is served by concealing the information, I have no idea. Just a silly ego trip...

You let pushes like mine happen. Because if Alo is cleared by the hider then it makes it more likely that you're right, scum is running him up and there's a scumbutt on both wagons. Right?

Giving people the opportunity to stall these wagons out or not push at all is antitown. I need you to cut it out.

Dude, I really don't care, your plan is dumb, and I want to get on with eliminating suspects. No time for this shenanigans - I'm actually hoping we get a confirmed townie who can be useful and informative, so we can achieve something today.

The very fact that this shenanigans has resulted in wagons on me (town) and Allomancer (based on evidence so far, could easily be town), when presumably nobody has any intent on lynching, and so the wagons are completely meaningless, achieves what exactly?

Or to be more accurate - the only wagon with intent on lynching is the one on me, since Dkkoba has said I'm not confirmed town. But no other wagon is actually going to result in a lynch, so why would anybody bother? Complete waste of time.

[Battle Mage]

BM you're being a primadonna. Play the game. I fully intend on lynching Allomancer so put up or shut up.

If you aren't helping you're part of the problem.

I think you're scum, so I'm hardly going to take advice from you on how to play the game. If you're planning to lynch Allomancer when he might be confirmed town, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I'll do my thing, you play by yourself.

[Battle Mage]

Ok i will give you all a hint. Its not BM. VOTE: battle mage

HA! Don't be a sourpuss. You mislynched DDL yesterday, would be useful if you could play for the good guys today.

you want to know WHY i hammered DDL?

at best they were scum who was about to weakly claim a pr role as soon as someone declared intent

at worst they were a VT who wasn't going to be much help.

I already had a hard read on them that they weren't PR.

It was about protecting tracker at that point.

There was only 1 PR left unclaimed. So hard-read aside, it was pretty unlikely he was going to be the tracker. It didn't mean you HAD to lynch him. Are you hoping to lynch scum today, or will you be happy with another VT?

[Battle Mage]

battlemage your tone gives off the air of having more info than you should have.

your general vibe has felt off all game.

this is you rolefishing from me right? Gimme a break dude... to think I almost believed that crap about not wanting to out the tracker yesterday, and now here you are...

[Battle Mage]

and now you're softing tracking all of a sudden?
this is why im keeping who I viisted now. So mafia CANNOT fish tracker.

I'm not softing anything, or am I? I can say one thing for sure, I'm calling you out for rolefishing and being either scum or a hypocrite.

I think you may have misunderstood your role. You giving a confirmed town, does not give any indication of who the tracker is.

However, you asking people if they have additional information, clearly does run that risk.

I have no idea what you're trying to pull here, but it stinks.

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE: I would like to request to hammer any vote today. I will reveal who i cleared last night before i hammer.

I'm sure the scumteam will be delighted to oblige your request.

[Battle Mage]

honestly, some wise advice for you fella - abandon the power trip, play safe - if you aint claiming now, don't risk leaving it till the end of the day, when the scum have everything to gain by silencing you.

[Battle Mage]

Your suggestion that dkkoba should keep his confirmed townie quiet until he dies is appalling.

You're the only one that thinks so, which if you are humble enough, is an indicator that you should probably self-reflect. 1v1ing the clear is not a wise use of discussion.

Nope, I'm right. If you disagree, you are wrong. It's really that simple!

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE: I would like to request to hammer any vote today. I will reveal who i cleared last night before i hammer.

You don't have to. Clears come out when tracker or hider dies. Crumb if you have to or whatever.

Don't out just to shut battle mage up, scum don't know the clear either and increases the likelihood the shoot outside of the clears in the night. Make them work for it.

oh I'm aware of this. the issue is that I actually ... kinda tracker read my clear atm so i want to hide them rn. I do want to make sure that tracker is uncc'able.

this is so bad....

[Battle Mage]

Your suggestion that dkkoba should keep his confirmed townie quiet until he dies is appalling.

You're the only one that thinks so, which if you are humble enough, is an indicator that you should probably self-reflect. 1v1ing the clear is not a wise use of discussion.

Nope, I'm right. If you disagree, you are wrong. It's really that simple!

But you're not right...

I'm definitely right. This is really boring now.

[Battle Mage]

iconeum you are so transparent haha

[Battle Mage]

Haha fuck you too Hiraki

[Battle Mage]

Hiraki - quit wasting everyone's time with shenanigans dude. If you're town, try and focus on finding scum rather than being a dick to me for no reason.

[Battle Mage]

In the absence of potentially any info from Dkkoba today, I'm gonna take a punt with:

Vote: Iconeum

and leave it at that.

[Battle Mage]

So you don't want to answer Madoka's question, got it. No pressure!

The question was dumb.

[Battle Mage]

Hiraki - the fact you are actually pretending you care if I answer that inane question, is ludicrous, regardless of your alignment.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah, I know you don't care because you're a dick. Don't call players out for no reason.

You're the dick, Hiraki, as you admitted yourself.

[Battle Mage]

Iconeum - I'm bored, and it seems more like we aren't going to progress anything today, so I may as well stick my vote on the player likeliest to be scum. which is you.

[Battle Mage]

I think the tags on the above got messed up.

I'm going to table my 72 read because it seems like no one actually really fundamentally agrees with it. I think I know how to end today with an easy scumlynch.

Vote: Looker

Why are you more convinced about Looker than 72?

[Battle Mage]

Iconeum - I'm bored, and it seems more like we aren't going to progress anything today, so I may as well stick my vote on the player likeliest to be scum. which is you.

we're definitely not gonna progress anything if you literally refuse to answer a

single

question coming your way

I'm relying on people asking me sensible and/or useful questions. Don't let me down folks!

[Battle Mage]

Iconeum - I'm bored, and it seems more like we aren't going to progress anything today, so I may as well stick my vote on the player likeliest to be scum. which is you.

16 hours. Anyone off ddl that doesn't vote him in their next post is advocating for a no lynch.

Nope. I'll be around to jump on the DDL wagon if needed. But for now, there's plenty enough time to lynch your friend Iconeum!

I'm good.

You're not that good

complains about game not advancing - i suggest you read your own last 15 or so posts mage, lol

In fairness, we're all just in limbo because dkkoba is claiming an investigation result which he won't reveal. LAME

[Battle Mage]

So you don't want to answer Madoka's question, got it. No pressure!

The question was dumb.

I wasn't certain whether you were making a play on words or using

good

in the same sense that I was. I ask because this is out of line with my initial impression of your personality/play style. It pinged me as potentially coming from scum that had information that I didn't and that your judgement was based on the fact that I was pushing a town player or players. If this is not the case, could you explain what you were drawing from to make your assessment?

Additionally, is this normal behavior from you? I mentioned earlier that I was playing in a macho manner due to the player dynamics of this game. I'm currently attempting to sort whether your behavior is due to (a) being scum, (b) contamination, (c) similar reasons as me, or (d) your natural disposition.

so you were just rolefishing? I must admit, I didn't realise that with your incessant repetition of a pointless question, but now I can see it.

If your insinuation is that I posted the comment as scum, hinting that I knew your reads were naff because I know everyone who is town, I'm sure you didn't need to me to tell you how ridiculous that is.

My behaviour varies based on how I feel. At the moment, I'm uninterested and disengaged, and I'm adding very little value besides voting for scummy people. I'm confident that once our claimed PR shares with the class, I'll have much more of value to do - in fact I've got a little surprise in store for tomorrow if I make it that far. In the meantime, we should probably try and accumulate votes on somebody (maybe even me, as I'm the only one officially not-confirmed town, which was a very helpful contribution from Dkkoba so far today).

[Battle Mage]

looker u know what i think? possible scum theater

Then vote zzz. Like if you guys think we're both scum then vote one. That's how you kill scum.

I agree; I would prefer more votes on Allomancer. And, if he's town, more votes on Tet.

Vote: Iconeum

and leave it at that.

Are you philosophically opposed to the vote tags?

Yeah, I know you don't care because you're a dick. Don't call players out for no reason.

Is hostility a part of your strategy? If you act recklessly, you get to say you were caught up in emotion and relinquish accountability for your actions.

I think the tags on the above got messed up.

I'm going to table my 72 read because it seems like no one actually really fundamentally agrees with it. I think I know how to end today with an easy scumlynch.

Vote: Looker

There's a trend of hypocrisy. You demand explanations from others (132), but refuse to give them yourself (642, 799).

care to explain the 'easyscum!looker' read?

He can't.

Why are you more convinced about Looker than 72?

It's impossible for anybody to be convinced of anything regarding me right now.

---

• @DkKoba: I can't tell if you're trolling me or not.
  
• I won't allow Hiraki's foolishness to detract me from Allomancer

This is a very constructive post with lots of truth. NAI though, as the kids say.

[Battle Mage]

They are both pushes in bad faith made to set me up to fail regardless of my responses.

K, i get the case u r making against Ico now.

Not getting any real townie intent from Ico

VOTE: Ico

@ Looker - care to join in on the Ico wagon?

We can go for an Allomancer lynch tomorrow.

Come join the Ico lynch wagon train... Choo choo choo

This guy gets it. If Hiraki is still alive tomorrow, we should probably lynch him next just to be safe. We'll look incredibly dumb if he survives much longer as scum given how obviously caught he was on Day 1.

Although I'm getting carried away, because he might be confirmed town. What a game!!

[Battle Mage]

@ Looker - care to join in on the Ico wagon?

We can go for an Allomancer lynch tomorrow.

Come join the Ico lynch wagon train... Choo choo choo

Allo can wait till tomorrow based on what?

We're lynching your buddy Ico today.

[Battle Mage]

Wow A50 is up to 4 days AWOL.

Is a replacement in the pipeline?

VOTE: 72offsuit

This is a minor scumslip in my book. Considering D2 had only started less than 36 hours there's no way one would think of checking how long a player hasn't posted unless they themselves were posting during the night. It's not like I could have posted in a locked thread you know, and it makes no sense to call for a replacement that fast either.

This is a weak and suspicious reason for a vote.

FoS: Almost

[Battle Mage]

I actually was going to sheep Madoka today since my reads were obviously shit on D1 (It's been a while since I played with newer players and I forgot most appear scummy when they roll PR)

if you're town, why are you sheeping, or claiming to sheep another player?

[Battle Mage]

Allomancer you may as well claim so we can make some progress today.

[Battle Mage]

I've broken my own rule and done an ISO of Allomancer. He could be scum. Not a cert, but a good possibility. Plus he surely can't be confirmed town, otherwise even Dkkoba would have said.

Vote: Allomancer

That's -1!

if DDL is scum, I'm happy that Madoka is very likely town.

OTOH, if ddl is town, we lynch Madoka tomorrow

1027 and 1028 both feel scummy, like BM is trying to get Dk to reveal who he visited, which I don't think is in town's interest. Better for him and the tracker to keep it quiet until one of them dies or we're about to mislynch a conftown.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Your suggestion that dkkoba should keep his confirmed townie quiet until he dies is appalling.

You're the only one that thinks so, which if you are humble enough, is an indicator that you should probably self-reflect. 1v1ing the clear is not a wise use of discussion.

Nope, I'm right. If you disagree, you are wrong. It's really that simple!

But you're not right...

[Battle Mage]

72offsuit is still my #1 SR

I'm still thinking it could be somewhere in Tet-Hiraki-Iconeum.

[Battle Mage]

Do you think BM is VI or scum?

Very Intelligent

[Battle Mage]

I'll lay out a case on 72 Day 3.

Why wait till then? My gut says 72 is town.

[Battle Mage]

BM was the hammer, wasn't he?

erm nope -1 I think! so -2 now!

[Battle Mage]

72offsuit is still my #1 SR

I'm still thinking it could be somewhere in Tet-Hiraki-Iconeum.

Can't do anything about that now, can we?

There's still an opportunity to lynch Iconeum today once we've got somewhere with Allomancer!

[Battle Mage]

Do you think BM is VI or scum?

I think he's Very Intelligent.

The alternative is just being a disruption for the sake of disruption but it is too blatant as scum especially knowing scum don't have daytalk. Because it kind of requires some semblance of coordination. There's more risk to BM's play than there is to be gained.

Aww thanks man/lady, I love you too <3

[Battle Mage]

Ah shit I've done it again...

[Battle Mage]

Well, hopefully I get confirmed town tonight if nothing else...

[Battle Mage]

Wow I can't believe they killed Madoka, especially after this:

I think Dk should keep the clear secret for today unless it is Allomancer. If the clear is Allo, Dk should let us know soon. I think someone mentioned lynching BM. I don't think we should go that direction today. If BM is town, he will be killed due to the tracker crumbs. And if he's not killed, he will be cleared by claiming tracker tomorrow.

How am I not dead right now?

I'll post something more substantial tonight, but obviously I've been kept alive as an easy lynch today, so if you're town, please do engage your brain before lynching me - much obliged!

Also that's a weakass vote from Iconeum, just OMGUS for yesterday. Still expect him to be scum.

[Battle Mage]

Iconeum - your logic sucks - if I was scum, I wouldn't want Dkkoba to target me at night, because it would confirm me as scum with the tracker still alive. Fishing for him to target me would be the last thing on my agenda. Obviously he didn't target me anyway, so it's null and void.

[Battle Mage]

just OMGUS for yesterday

did you even read my entire post?

sadly i did, and it made me so much stoopider...

[Battle Mage]

I'm toying with Tet as the right open today - probably need a re-read, and I see Aloratom has stolen my gimmick!

[Battle Mage]

maybe Tet is scum, or maybe he is just bad town

[Battle Mage]

And ftr, I am sheeping Tet again today. yesterday I said I was sheeping Madoka but ended up sheeping Tet and it worked out fine, so why not again?

@offset: Again, yes.. it did say I hadn't posted for a long time, but that "long time" included a NIGHT time. Like that's always the case at the start of a new day. All players had not posted for at least the duration of the night.

Anyway, I am not sure why scum!you hammers their scum p there, so I'm shelving my case on you for now.

you had a case on me?

sheeping people is dumb

[Battle Mage]

I can say now that we have 1 down that the SvS reads people had on me vs Allo were garbage. But whatever it took to get town to shut up and Lynch scum.

Who said Allom vs u was SvS?

no idea, but it's obviously left an impression on him. Which it might either way, although probably more likely to be a sore point if they were actually both scum.

[Battle Mage]

maybe Tet is scum, or maybe he is just bad town

I served you scum... BM I'm trying to help you win a game.

Buddy help me help you.

Don't patronise me. I'm paranoid as all hell.

[Battle Mage]

72offsuit is scum; I agree. Why not Allomancer though?

72offsuit is still my #1 SR

I'll lay out a case on 72 Day 3.

We're ready now.

---

• @72offsuit: Do you realize how suspicious it is that you tried to pull me from Allomancer? (I feel Hiraki tried to do the same thing)
  
• Why doesn't Battle Mage use vote tags and what was Hiraki's case against me?
  • Also, why was Battle Mage fighting Allomancer's lynch yesterday?
• @Ico: I'm not engaged. I'm always at work and I want to go home.

VOTE: 72offsuit

I had scummier targets in mind, and nobody really explained the case on him. Only when I read his ISO I saw it. You've gotta let the vote tags thing go.

[Battle Mage]

battlemage/72offsuit/hiraki

yeah i'm adding 72 in there, anyone wanna argue with me on that?

in any case, i think 2 scum in these 3

you saying this makes me think Hiraki could be town. Already feel 72 as town. I'm so obviously town it's painful.

[Battle Mage]

Ico we're going Hiraki first.

battlemage/72offsuit/hiraki

yeah i'm adding 72 in there, anyone wanna argue with me on that?

in any case, i think 2 scum in these 3

I agree with you mostly. I think BM is bad town here, the other two were actively against Allomancer being wagoned making them the more likely suspects.

A couple posts previously you implied you might be up for lynching me tomorrow. but now I'm town.

I think I'm somewhere about here in terms of town to scum scale

Tet

Iconeum
Looker

Almost50 ejjinami
Aloratom
Battle Mage
Hiraki

That's a pretty sad state of affairs with Looker at null being 3rd from the top. Essentially 5 player lynch pool as of right now for tomorrow does not sound promising.

Your reads suck.

[Battle Mage]

the other two were actively against Allomancer being wagoned

that's fair enough, but before i commit there I want battle mage to answer:

The very fact that this shenanigans has resulted in wagons on me (town) and Allomancer (based on evidence so far, could easily be town),

BM you're being a primadonna. Play the game. I fully intend on lynching Allomancer so put up or shut up.

If you aren't helping you're part of the problem.

I think you're scum, so I'm hardly going to take advice from you on how to play the game. If you're planning to lynch Allomancer when he might be confirmed town, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I'll do my thing, you play by yourself.

Allomancer and Orange may both be town.

Why did you townread allomancer in the first place, if this is your take on his posting:

I've broken my own rule and done an ISO of Allomancer. He could be scum

Like, if reading his ISO makes you think he could be scum, where did your townread on him come from?

Why are you swinging from Tet's balls again?

I've already explained my position on Allomancer. Wasn't remotely interested in lynching him as nobody had given a good reason, and there were plenty of scummy people i wanted to lynch. Then i re-read his ISO and decided he could easily be scum. So from recollection, if I townread him it was probably by process of elimination of something? who knows; who cares...

[Battle Mage]

battlemage/72offsuit/hiraki

yeah i'm adding 72 in there, anyone wanna argue with me on that?

in any case, i think 2 scum in these 3

you saying this makes me think Hiraki could be town. Already feel 72 as town. I'm so obviously town it's painful.

Hmmm.

Im still struggling to see !TownIco seeing myself being a team with Hiraki, and also to a lesser extent BM. So im not really sure y u r throwing me into ypur scumpool if ur top 2 scumreads are BM and hiraki.

Please translate into English.
Something just feels like its not adding up For both to be scum here based on your post here.

[Battle Mage]

battlemage/72offsuit/hiraki

yeah i'm adding 72 in there, anyone wanna argue with me on that?

in any case, i think 2 scum in these 3

you saying this makes me think Hiraki could be town. Already feel 72 as town. I'm so obviously town it's painful.

Hmmm.

Im still struggling to see !TownIco seeing myself being a team with Hiraki, and also to a lesser extent BM. So im not really sure y u r throwing me into ypur scumpool if ur top 2 scumreads are BM and hiraki.

Something just feels like its not adding up For both to be scum here based on your post here.

Stupid quotes.

Please translate into English.
Please translate into English.
Please translate into English.

[Battle Mage]

How do my reads suck?
Who are the last 2 scum then BM?

Not sure. 2 top suspects are Tet and Iconeum. Your top 2 townreads….

[Battle Mage]

step by step post at 10 yr old level
1. Ico says scum team is among Hiraki/BM/72
2. I say me being scum partnered with Hiraki makes no sense, and me being scum with BM makes little sense.
3. Im saying Ico is scummy here for proposing said scumpool, because i dont think its believable from a town point of view.
4. I conclude that something just feels like its not adding up For both Hiraki and BM to be scum here based Icos post

Comprende?

I'm with you up to 3, 4 only really works if you assume Ico is scum. But he's like your top townread or something?

[Battle Mage]

They are townleans by the skinniest of margins ever. I wouldnt be surprised if both were scum.

Then, in the nicest possible way, your reads system isn't very useful.

[Battle Mage]

I'm going to go with my heart today, and

Vote: Tet

[Battle Mage]

I'm going to go with my heart today, and

Vote: Tet

Ok... But what about your stance on everyone else?
You ridiculed my reads list. Where are you at with everyone else

I don't think that's important for now. Let's just lynch scum today and move onwards and upwards.

[Battle Mage]

They are townleans by the skinniest of margins ever. I wouldnt be surprised if both were scum.

Then, in the nicest possible way, your reads system isn't very useful.

Lol, true. But thats where my heads at.
Ye Ico should probably be lower.
Getiing a bit better vibes from you now.

Still waiting to hear more from Alora.

Still waiting on more thoughts by looker re: who i would be partnered with as scum

If you trust me, you should consider joining me on Tet, and see what happens. Might generate something of value.

[Battle Mage]

72offsuit is scum; I agree. Why not Allomancer though?

72offsuit is still my #1 SR

I'll lay out a case on 72 Day 3.

We're ready now.

---

• @72offsuit: Do you realize how suspicious it is that you tried to pull me from Allomancer? (I feel Hiraki tried to do the same thing)
  
• Why doesn't Battle Mage use vote tags and what was Hiraki's case against me?
  • Also, why was Battle Mage fighting Allomancer's lynch yesterday?
• @Ico: I'm not engaged. I'm always at work and I want to go home.

VOTE: 72offsuit

you had a case on me?

I was talking to offset.

who the fuck is that?

[Battle Mage]

Someone you're not.

Then explain how you got them confused with me. Because you're referring to this mysterious offset character as hammering their partner, but they didn't, I did.

So what are you talking about?

[Battle Mage]

Someone you're not.

Then explain how you got them confused with me. Because you're referring to this mysterious offset character as hammering their partner, but they didn't, I did.

So what are you talking about?

You are admitting to hammering your partner? Coolbeans

Yeah I meant sexual partner...

[Battle Mage]

I'm going to go with my heart today, and

Vote: Tet

Ok... But what about your stance on everyone else?
You ridiculed my reads list. Where are you at with everyone else

I don't think that's important for now. Let's just lynch scum today and move onwards and upwards.

They are townleans by the skinniest of margins ever. I wouldnt be surprised if both were scum.

Then, in the nicest possible way, your reads system isn't very useful.

Lol, true. But thats where my heads at.
Ye Ico should probably be lower.
Getiing a bit better vibes from you now.

Still waiting to hear more from Alora.

Still waiting on more thoughts by looker re: who i would be partnered with as scum

If you trust me, you should consider joining me on Tet, and see what happens. Might generate something of value.

Thats y i don't trust you. You dont state your reads which lets! Scumyou keep your lynchpool open and your thoughts/statements cant b challenged.

And u dont want to lynch hiraki.

I mean if you cared to read my ISO, you could get a good idea of who I think is scum. But I don't think it's in town's interests to give too much info today, which might lead to scum being able to NK more tactically.

Hiraki has slipped a bit for me today, he's just a soft target really. I'd love to lynch him but I'm more concerned with the big baddies today.

[Battle Mage]

They are townleans by the skinniest of margins ever. I wouldnt be surprised if both were scum.

Then, in the nicest possible way, your reads system isn't very useful.

Lol, true. But thats where my heads at.
Ye Ico should probably be lower.
Getiing a bit better vibes from you now.

Still waiting to hear more from Alora.

Still waiting on more thoughts by looker re: who i would be partnered with as scum

If you trust me, you should consider joining me on Tet, and see what happens. Might generate something of value.

Your case on me is that I lynched scum.

You can do better. I believe in you.

Actually I haven't really given any case. Just that my heart says you are scum. If you're town, kissing my arse is a terrible way to make me not want to lynch you.

[Battle Mage]

alright whatever...ill be back at hammah time

[Battle Mage]

Dick.

[Battle Mage]

that's why I'm voting for you - it's nothing personal!

[Battle Mage]

I could probably live with a no-lynch actually, if we are intending to end the day fairly quick, to avoid accidentally outing the tracker.

[Battle Mage]

So are we lynching today or voting no lynch?
We have an even number of players which usually suggests a no lynch, pls correct me if im derping.

I could probably live with a no-lynch actually, if we are intending to end the day fairly quick, to avoid accidentally outing the tracker.

We're lynching someone today. We've got plenty of time to figure it out.

why? and who?

[Battle Mage]

It's between Hiraki and 72 at the moment.

for you maybe

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: 72

VOTE: BM

What's up with this?
Big spiel on BM and yhen you voted me?

I know right, what a douche!

[Battle Mage]

@Aloratom: I feel your thinking is why bussing is so effective. Of course 72 is going to argue that he can't be scum because of what he did; I don't see how that's alignment-indicative.

What do you think about Ico's read on BattleMage?

why would anyone care about his read? he's scum dude...

[Battle Mage]

and to that point, i'm town and nobody gives a crap about my reads...

I don't believe any half decent townie could seriously think I'm scum here. but I can understand people ignoring my reads coz I do suck haha

[Battle Mage]

why battle mage is allomancer partner:

in 131 it really feels like BM is calling out to his partner to put out some better posts, and maybe get into an early 1v1 with him.

208 first attempt at destabilizing allo wagon 'surely there's scum on'

336 soft townreading and defending allo

In reality, I think it's hard to read too much into this yet - probably worth picking this up tomorrow, or at least when we know what Allomancer is -

who knows, maybe Dkkoba can confirm him as town

?

trying to bait the hider onto allomancer

The very fact that this shenanigans has resulted in wagons on me (town) and

Allomancer (based on evidence so far, could easily be town

), when presumably nobody has any intent on lynching, and so the wagons are completely meaningless, achieves what exactly?

defending allomancer who's town 'because evidence'
also really downplaying the wagon and push on him

In terms of the actual comment - yes I'm quite OBVIOUSLY trying to get Dk to reveal who he visited, which is 100% in the town's interest

remember this intent from BM, you probably know where i'm going with this

I've broken my own rule and

done an ISO of Allomancer. He could be scum

. Not a cert, but a good possibility. Plus he surely can't be confirmed town, otherwise even Dkkoba would have said.Vote: Allomancer

this quickhammer happened at a time where dkkoba started pushing into battle mage, and also shut down any chance dkkoba had of clearing his target
the way he went around his townpushing of allomancer: 'oh but now i've actually read his posts, yeah this can be scum' is just faked imo

if someone is genuinely townreading battle mage, talk to me and either convince me of town!BM or join me in lynching this

ah when I did the -1 vote yesterday, I'd come to terms with the fact that Dkkoba wasn't going to be wise enough to claim. If only he had listened to me, eh?

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

Give our tracker the best chance.

[Battle Mage]

@Aloratom: I feel your thinking is why bussing is so effective. Of course 72 is going to argue that he can't be scum because of what he did; I don't see how that's alignment-indicative.

What do you think about Ico's read on BattleMage?

why would anyone care about his read? he's scum dude...

This doesn't come from a town mindset either.
1. The confidence in the read does not feel genuine
2. From your PoV, getting opinions from others on your suspected scum target,
would provide valuable information regarding the alignment of the person reading your scumread.

I'm not my own suspected scum target, what the hell is wrong with you?

Your reads are no Bueno my friend...

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

Give our tracker the best chance.

Why did you not reply earlier when i asked re: lynch or no lynch?

I said earlier I liked the idea? don't know what else you're referring to?

[Battle Mage]

Anyway, to note I'm

V/LA for the next couple days

. I'll probably post a bit, but nothing substantive as work is too busy! #keyworker

[Battle Mage]

@Tet, consolidate onto BM unless you feel it's a poor lynch, otherwise why not BM and who?

BM is more like a fringe case for scum than a solid second scum.

I did think the setting up Allomancer as a hider target was interesting but isn't the uhh... Kind of foresight I see coming out of BM. Also not a high reward play if scum doesn't have the tracker pool extremely narrowed down at that point. Obviously they didn't.

Like as scum I don't see BM making a big show of going head to head with DkKoba (making him a potential target and guilty). While also throwing Allo out as another potential target (and another guilty).

this is very logical. you are probably the smartest player here. but why does everyone always think/say I'm a dumbass? even if it's true, gimme a break you guys!

[Battle Mage]

If Hiraki is scum, I will claim all the credit, as I called that on Day 1, and nobody bothered to listen.

[Battle Mage]

I feel like this game hinges on Tet being town. If he's town, we've got a chance. If he's scum, we're screwed, because nobody else seems to have enough of a backbone to challenge him. 72offsuit - weak. Iconeum - super weak. Aloratom - solid but mostly on the sidelines.

I guess we have to lynch Hiraki then, but I won't be the hammer today!

Unvote, Vote: Hiraki

That's a begrudging L-1, old buddy, old pal

[Battle Mage]

I assume at least some of the people who want to lynch me today are scum who are mad I hammered their buddy yesterday

[Battle Mage]

In all seriousness, my motivation is super low here right now. I've got Iconeum just being generally useless, tunnelling me like mad, clearly with no interest in being persuaded otherwise. I don't even know if he's scum anymore, I think maybe he's just town and trying to emulate what others describe as my playstyle. Tet, who I think might be scum, is probably the only person stopping me from being lynched (which means if I'm right, town is pretty screwed). I'm not sure on Hiraki at all, on Day 1 I was convinced he was scum, now he seems like an opportunistic lynch. 72offsuit is completely bonkers, and I don't trust his reads, but I believe he's town.

The real problem is, because the town lacks any real direction, even with probably only 2 scum left, it is ripe for manipulation. So I'm not that confident in any bandwagon. And given how vulnerable we are in the PR situation, partly because of Dkkoba yesterday, I'm sort of reluctant to say too much which gives an indication of whether I'm the tracker or not.
I do sort of follow the rationale for not no-lynching today, but I'm wary that scum will orchestrate it so we just run everyone up and get a bunch of claims.

I'm going to have a little re-think, maybe come up with a vote and see how we go from there. If people are town and actually have coherent points they want me to respond to, please do highlight these clearly and concisely, and I will oblige. Many thanks.

[Battle Mage]

-some BS-

Dude, firstly don't give me crap for no reason. The hider had no intention of claiming anything yesterday because everyone else persuaded him that was the right play - spoiler: they were wrong. Hence I put Allo at -1, but accidentally hammered (although I was obviously not putting him at -1 with a view not to lynch him). To imply that the hider dying is my fault is wrong - he should have just claimed yesterday like I said very clearly. Your revisionist history is lame.

Secondly, why are you role-fishing about the tracker here?

FoS: Almost50

[Battle Mage]

If I had the slightest idea I would have voted already. I need to play more out of the themed games queue really. I lost my contact with the newer players and seem to only have reads on those I already play with regularly.

I would have gone BM of you weren't so adamantly against it. So it's either Hiraki or 72 today for me too.

So you suspect the 3 people everyone else is talking about lynching. How convenient. And you won't lynch me because big daddy Tet said not to. Do you have any of your own opinions? Or a backbone? Weak dude, weak.

[Battle Mage]

On the other hand Hiraki is a safe lynch under the circumstances (we don't want to end up running up the Tracker). Your call.

what the heck is this? Goodness me. You just do what Tet tells you, eh?

[Battle Mage]

A50 man, your iso is utter shit:

DkK can decide on whether he wants to visit me tonight, since my "noobness" seems to strikes the wrong chords in his system.

Why you trying to fish the hider to visit you on Night 1?

MONKEY! At what point will you cast a vote of your own?

I didn't realize I had to.

But seriously, what makes you think I am not satisfied with my vote on orange?

This is several dozen A50 posts in. Almost50 has posted AlmostNothing of consequence. Apparently his gimmick is he doesn't do anything on the first couple of days, apart from react defensively whenever people suspect him, and try and meta himself. Lazy play.

p-edit: Because you never mentioned it. All your stuff is about meeting old friends

As I said I'm just chilling right now, but that doesn't mean I don;t have thoughts.

How do people get away with this?

Hiraki is most likely scum on a red Allo flip. 72 is a potential partner based on voting habits which is about all that should be counted on right now. Hiraki can be scum with a third outside of 72 however but It gets fuzzy from there and it would have to be tracker/hider that make up the difference and clear the big picture up.

Allo is a good wagon too.

A50: Permission to sheep you?
Tet: Permission granted
A50: Thanks

VOTE: Allomancer

Day 2 - expecting big things from A50, who has done nothing so far. Rather than have any of his own opinions, he just declares he will copy somebody else's votes, with no justification (not that any justification would be good anyway). Scummy.

Catching up from where I left:

I actually was going to sheep Madoka today

since my reads were obviously shit on D1

(It's been a while since I played with newer players and I forgot most appear scummy when they roll PR)

if you're town, why are you sheeping, or claiming to sheep another player?

Some people really need to shut their eyes and sit on their devices to be able to

read

the fucking post they're quoting.

Sorry if I'm coming off as overly grumpy or aggressive, but seriously... try to fucking think before you post. Duh.

Update: FU too BEF. You locked the thread while I was still catching up.

Ah I see I called this out at the time - clever BM. Typical A50, getting his panties in a bunch over it. Being shit (self-declared) is not a reason not to try (I speak from experience...) - why play mafia if you aren't going at least give it your best shot? Just weak scum excuses, and defensiveness here.

And ftr, I am sheeping Tet again today. yesterday I said I was sheeping Madoka but ended up sheeping Tet and it worked out fine, so why not again?

@offset: Again, yes.. it did say I hadn't posted for a long time, but that "long time" included a NIGHT time. Like that's always the case at the start of a new day. All players had not posted for at least the duration of the night.

Anyway, I am not sure why scum!you hammers their scum p there, so I'm shelving my case on you for now.

Ah something nice - Almost50 is pretty satisfied I'm town because I hammered Allomancer.

If I had the slightest idea I would have voted already. I need to play more out of the themed games queue really. I lost my contact with the newer players and seem to only have reads on those I already play with regularly.

I would have gone BM of you weren't so adamantly against it. So it's either Hiraki or 72 today for me too.

Literally the next post that references me, I'm Almost50's number 1 lynch choice. What happened man? Did you forget you think I'm town?

Sloppy. I might vote for you, but not at the moment.

[Battle Mage]

Secondly, why are you role-fishing about the tracker here?

Where exactly am I role fishing?

I'm not even going to get into this debate with you. If you're town, it's stupid, so just take my advice and give it a rest.

[Battle Mage]

Right now I've got Tet, Ico, Almost50 as Town.

Battle Mage, Looker, Hiraki, 72offsuit not sure yet, but that's where both mafia are. Battle Mage could be the missing link.

I believe you could be competing with 72offsuit for worst reads in the game.

[Battle Mage]

Do you have any of your own opinions?

Of course not. Ever heard of "monkey see monkey do"??

Or a backbone?

Oh, I think I got that. We're not used to studying anatomy and are nor known to perform autopsy in the monkey world though.

Weak dude, weak.

Alright, mighty and strong one. Show us the light. Let's have you present a case on Tet then. You say he is Scum but I don't know why that is. Would you be so kind as to try and convince me?

Dude, I've just read every single one of your posts from this game. You've shown no interest in thinking about why anyone is scum - why would you start playing the game now? Gimme a break. I'm confident I couldn't persuade you of anything, certainly not by 'presenting a case'. Maybe I'll wait until you decide you're going 'sheep' me.

[Battle Mage]

Why you trying to fish the hider to visit you on Night 1?

Check the post I was responding to, maybe?

In general, I do not respond well to NOOBS accusing ME of being one. I do not respond well to people not liking me sheeping my TRs when I have no strong opinions of my own either. Try to present your case rather than taking bouts about my paying style (that has incidentally won me a Team Mafia title this year already, so it can't be all that bad.).

Haha you won't win any awards from me based on this performance - sorry!

If you can't form an opinion of your own, what are you doing? Maybe it's a generational thing, but I don't get it. The simplest explanation is often the right one, and people who are too lazy to think for themselves, and their defence is "I'm sheeping this guy", are probably just lazy scum.

Oh and by the way, I couldn't care less if you respond well or not, so blow your stack.

[Battle Mage]

How do people get away with this?

Same way they get away with a lol!hammer, dude.

I think you should read your own posts - you loved my hammer earlier today.

[Battle Mage]

Apparently his gimmick is he doesn't do anything on the first couple of days

Actually, it's not doing anything the whole game. Just get a string TR and sheep to win and call it a day. Impressive, I know.

I hear they give out awards for shit like that.

[Battle Mage]

Day 2 - expecting big things from A50, who has done nothing so far. Rather than have any of his own opinions, he just declares he will copy somebody else's votes, with no justification (not that any justification would be good anyway). Scummy.

I'll admit lynching Allo was scummy of me. Go on.

In fairness, the only reason I'm not voting for you right now is because your voting record is relatively good. Didn't lynch town, did lynch scum. Maybe your strategy has some merit after all eh?

[Battle Mage]

The simplest explanation is often the right one, and people who are too lazy to think for themselves, and their defence is "I'm sheeping this guy", are probably just lazy scum.

I wish you luck when/if you play against scum me. I am confident you're gonna need it. LOTS of it.

Nah, I'll just policy-lynch you Day 1 if you're not going to play.

[Battle Mage]

Typical A50, getting his panties in a bunch over it. Being shit (self-declared) is not a reason not to try (I speak from experience...) - why play mafia if you aren't going at least give it your best shot? Just weak scum excuses, and defensiveness here.

I can't even begin to decipher this. Let's start with you admitting to being a piece of brown substance that smells bad and come out of a back orifice. Now that we have that done and over with; I don't get what you want to tell me here? Do you want me to quit playing mafia because you don't like my play? Is that it?

Haha! Nope, my point was that if you were town you would pretend to try and scumhunt. Because you aren't doing that, it's scummy. And don't worry, I don't have some big ego about how great I am - I'm not sure I've even won any awards!?

[Battle Mage]

How do people get away with this?

Same way they get away with a lol!hammer, dude.

I think you should read your own posts - you loved my hammer earlier today.

I was talking to someone else.

That doesn't matter. You said you couldn't believe the person who hammered Allomancer could be scum. Then you voted for me, the person who you realised had been the hammerer. So you were inconsistent here, correct?

[Battle Mage]

So

1- I obviously got confused and brain farted there
2- You did acknowledge I did get confused there
3- You still trying to make it look like I had cleared you even though I didn't

Actually I forgot you had been confused. But you are correct, you did claim to get confused.

Now talk to me about you not wanting to lynch Allo because he "could have been the hider's clear". Tell me why you insisted the Hider should claim his N1 target early, and what made you think "putting Allo @L-1" (as you claim to have been your intention) was a good idea when the hider wasn't even online.

I mean, let's assume you are town here. What made you think having Allo @L-1 would not draw a hammer from a scum buddy all the same?

Excellent, now we're talking buddy!

I was, as noted, very keen for the hider to claim his target early so we could have some info and use that constructively. And I was grouchy all day about not knowing if we were running up a potential clear. As noted, we had a big debate about it, and I was basically the only person who had that view, and then I think the hider indicated they would not claim at all yesterday (or perhaps this was just the consensus of the pressure rather than them confirming it specifically - I haven't gone back and checked!). So I'm not sure if I was worried about a hammer, given that the hider was probably not going to claim anyway.

I don't follow the last question - why would I have been worried about Allo being bussed? If I knew he was scum, I'd have been delighted to think his buddy would bus him.

[Battle Mage]

For the record, if it wasn't for the tracker flip, I'd be lynching the monkey today. Aloratom and Almost50 prob town. 72offsuit and Iconeum probscum.

Vote: 72offsuit

If 72 is town, and I die tonight, for goodness sake lynch Iconeum tomorrow please.

[Battle Mage]

Tet said 72 was scum, and he flipped tracker. You were ok clinging onto his ass yesterday when you didn't know he was town, why do you suddenly think you can't trust him now?

Don't worry, we're 100% lynching you next.

[Battle Mage]

Or is it just bm and 72,bussing and playing late game?

this makes me think you and 72 are both scum. desperate stuff.

[Battle Mage]

For the record, if it wasn't for the tracker flip, I'd be lynching the monkey today. Aloratom and Almost50 prob town. 72offsuit and Iconeum probscum.

Vote: 72offsuit

If 72 is town, and I die tonight, for goodness sake lynch Iconeum tomorrow please.

Bm are you serious here?

I am 100% totally serious here. If I die tonight, you MUST be lynched tomorrow. Obviously if I don't die, then I can lynch you myself.

[Battle Mage]

For the record, if it wasn't for the tracker flip, I'd be lynching the monkey today. Aloratom and Almost50 prob town. 72offsuit and Iconeum probscum.

Vote: 72offsuit

If 72 is town, and I die tonight, for goodness sake lynch Iconeum tomorrow please.

Why does tracker flip change your mind?

He indicated he might have confirmed town on A50. Which is really baffling, but I guess we have to roll with it as we didn't get much else from our PRs...

[Battle Mage]

For the record, if it wasn't for the tracker flip, I'd be lynching the monkey today. Aloratom and Almost50 prob town. 72offsuit and Iconeum probscum.

Vote: 72offsuit

If 72 is town, and I die tonight, for goodness sake lynch Iconeum tomorrow please.

Bm are you serious here?

Ye this is a joke.
He was agreeing with me that No lynch yesterday was the right move, so obviously he knew today is MYLO.

Ah you're right, I forgot we have 6 rather than 7! Man this is a crap situation. But I think we still have to go with the Tracker. If 72 is town, I'm blaming Tet.

[Battle Mage]

72 gun in hand who is scum?

I hope its a bazooka, because I really don;t know.
So easy for scum to jump on Hiraki wagon since he was scummy as shit.
Towniest vibes from Ico and Alora, but not even that convinced there.

Lynch preference order atm is probs:
1. BM
2. Looker
3. A50
4. Alora/Ico

This makes me feel much happier about lynching you. Ico should not be bottom of your list, and I should not be top.

[Battle Mage]

Or is it just bm and 72,bussing and playing late game?

this makes me think you and 72 are both scum. desperate stuff.

Town on believing this interaction was scum vs scum would reread the game in light of this and ISO our interactions rather than post a throw-away 1-liner.

Elaborate on "desperate stuff"

I don't think you are in a position to tell me to re-read the game, when you haven't even bothered to ISO Tet and work out who he visited.

[Battle Mage]

72 gun in hand who is scum?

It's not too late to lynch Ico as he does have the gun in-hand.

Also, the other good reason for voting 72, is that Aloratom is voting 72, and Aloratom is town.

If 72 was town, I expect Ico would have jumped on the wagon already.

[Battle Mage]

What do you think about Ico's read on BattleMage?

Is the team not 72/Aloratom?]

No, Aloratom is town.

why would anyone care about his read? he's scum dude...

Is the scumteam Iconeum/Almost50 according you to?

No, Almost50 is begrudgingly town, and as per my vote, I think it is probably 72offsuit (based on the fact he hasn't been lynched yet or even at -1, and we are in LyLo, he is almost certain to be scum). Partner is most likely Iconeum or you, again based on votes today and the info we have from the PRs.

How do people get away with this?

Do you no longer suspect Almost50? Why would the tracker flip change your mind?

Potentially the tracker had good reason to think he was town. Given the dire situation, I think we have to go with that, although my gut strongly says A50 is scum.

If 72 is town, and I die tonight, for goodness sake lynch Iconeum tomorrow please.

Doesn't 72town mean game over today?

Yeah I'm a dumbass.

Town on believing this interaction was scum vs scum would reread the game in light of this and ISO our interactions rather than post a throw-away 1-liner.

If you think he's scum, why aren't you voting him? I'm assuming now is when scum coordinate quicklynches.

---

• @Hiraki: Maybe you should've answered some of my fucking questions
  
• @Iconeum: Is there a point to you insisting that I'm deviating from my meta? I'm disagreeing, by the way. Also, I still have to work in all this.
  • Plus, I wasn't going to be swayed by any bullshit y'all came up with - we should've lynched 72offsuit yesterday. I'm willing to give you another Micc situation if you don't lynch him today.

VOTE: Battle Mage

This makes no sense, and makes me think you might be scum.

[Battle Mage]

For the record, if it wasn't for the tracker flip, I'd be lynching the monkey today. Aloratom and Almost50 prob town. 72offsuit and Iconeum probscum.

Vote: 72offsuit

If 72 is town, and I die tonight, for goodness sake lynch Iconeum tomorrow please.

Bm are you serious here?

I am 100% totally serious here. If I die tonight, you MUST be lynched tomorrow. Obviously if I don't die, then I can lynch you myself.

Scum slip. Lynch this.
If he dies and game continues it means he scum because if bm town game ends

You're as big a dumbass as me Iconeum!

If I die tonight, I must be town, because there's no vig - it's an open setup. If anything, it's a town slip

[Battle Mage]

No you said if you die, lynch me tomorrow

That means you know game doesnt end upon your lynch because if we hit town game end

It literally means ur scum

You can't read. I said "tonight".

If you're actually town in this game, and you've wasted all your time tunnelling me instead of anything productive, I will be so disappointed in you.

[Battle Mage]

Ur still scum tho
@allo @a50 you guys down with lynching bm? We need all town together or scum has to bus

your scumbuddy allo is already dead.

[Battle Mage]

For the record, if it wasn't for the tracker flip, I'd be lynching the monkey today. Aloratom and Almost50 prob town. 72offsuit and Iconeum probscum.

Vote: 72offsuit

If 72 is town, and I die tonight, for goodness sake lynch Iconeum tomorrow please.

Bm are you serious here?

I am 100% totally serious here. If I die

tonight

, you MUST be lynched tomorrow. Obviously if I don't die, then I can lynch you myself.

If you are town, then with your lynch town loses. Obviously not coming from a town frame of mind.

You also can't read.

[Battle Mage]

Ur still scum tho
@allo @a50 you guys down with lynching bm? We need all town together or scum has to bus

your scumbuddy allo is already dead.

There is another allo

you mean another scumbuddy for yourself? yes, but are you sure it's 72offsuit?

[Battle Mage]

I'm extremely comfortable with the 72offsuit lynch, and perhaps Looker tomorrow? or maybe Iconeum? I just can't shake the feeling that Iconeum could be a lost townie who scum are taking advantage of.

[Battle Mage]

Iconeum, how about you wake up, smell the coffee and join the town side today??

Aloratom is confirmed town, Almost50 may be confirmed town, and everybody else is voting for me.

Unless you think scum is me and A50, which is unlikely as Tet implied he might be confirmed town, either Looker or 72offsuit has to be scum.

Looker is smart enough that if he was town he'd be lynching 72offsuit today, so I think we've got the scumpair nailed - 72offsuit and Looker.

EBWOP: I see Looker has got cold feet, maybe he think a bus is a safer option now?

[Battle Mage]

man that sucks. losing to Iconeum. I can't take the shame....

Well played though, a worthy win!

[Battle Mage]

It's a shame, because if I hadn't been sheeping Tet, I definitely had it as Iconeum and A50 at the start of the day.

[Battle Mage]

About as decisive a win for scum as I can remember.

[Battle Mage]

About as decisive a win for scum as I can remember.

Tbh when we woke up we could smell the coffee

Haha I was clutching at straws at the end!

[Battle Mage]

Everyone in the dead thread thought I was scum anyway

[Battle Mage]

• Hiraki tunneling and not responding to me
  
• Aloratom never lynching
  
• BM's playstyle
  
• Madoka's obsession with me
  
• People questioning my scumreading of the monkey and townreading him for no reason (still don't know how he "redeemed" ejji's slot)
  
• Two lose-lose leading lylo wagons

I never had a chance

Bm quicklynching before hider outed result was funny as well

I honestly believe he wouldn't have claimed his result anyway, so don't think that made a difference.