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1174 is the most high effort post I've ever seen from Noraa and it makes me super nervous-
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I don't think BM's posts about being saved tonight are fake to be honest-
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I feel like town Noraa with pressure on her gets angry and defensive in a way that looks a lot more flaily so I think it's possible there's coaching. But that's just based on that one post.In post 1199, Infinity 324 wrote:
In what way?In post 1196, MURDERCAT wrote:1174 is the most high effort post I've ever seen from Noraa and it makes me super nervous-
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It's just feels suss to have you come in and vote a big wagon and dip tbh. Like you don't really question people or anything? Just feels kinda passiveIn post 1191, xofelf wrote:Nah Cat, coming to the thread cuz I actually have effort I can be active instead of passive on MS things rn. I post when I got the brain to articulate things.
If people wanna push on egotisi, that's their business. I have absolutely no read on the slot whatsoever. They're not contributing anything one way or another, but at least it's not actively bad. I know I haven't been doing all that much either, but I'm trying as best I can.-
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this is the highest honor I have ever received
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BM I didn't want to have to be the one to tell you this, but you know there is strongman right?-
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Yeah I mean I'm not mad about it, I just want to town read you if you are townIn post 1209, xofelf wrote:Yeah no, I get that. Sorry, this is just.. kinda how I do. I read and pop in when I got stuff to articulate. By passive I mean, just reading and posting nothing. I'm well aware that often just trying to play as best I can looks hella sus, I'm kinda used to being viewed that way no matter what I do or why, and usually due to minor phrasing pinging people in ways I don't intend.
It is a fair comment about voting a big wagon, can't argue that, but I meant what I said about why I am voting Noraa. Being such a big wagon though, with a lot of pressure, I'd kinda expect different reactions from frustrated town I guess? Idk. The more votes she's gotten, the more her reactions don't sit right to me. I don't know what else to tell you man.-
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Forget I said anything, see you tomorrow BM!In post 1210, Battle Mage wrote:
whats a strongman?In post 1208, MURDERCAT wrote:BM I didn't want to have to be the one to tell you this, but you know there is strongman right?
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Noraa, I can't, I mean this is an open setupIn post 1211, Noraa wrote:strongman is prolly literally like 1 or 2 shots cuz that role is way too strong. I doubt they would use strongman on BM even if he was an incredibly strong pr.-
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Yeah if you flip town tonight I'll take a lookIn post 1218, Battle Mage wrote:at least promise you'll elim Taylor for me?-
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The setup page defines the setup, there is no additional info (except of course we don't know which town roles were used). But strongman is non-consecutive for example.In post 1221, Noraa wrote:I thought it was just we know the mafia has these three roles but they could be x-shot or weak or indecisive or gated or whatever-
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Do you know this for a fact?In post 1223, Battle Mage wrote:it's a shame noraa is capable of a fake townslip as scum. otherwise that would have been good.-
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I will read ego, taylor and noraa again because I've been really fence sitty towards all of them to be honestIn post 1234, Battle Mage wrote:the time for posturing is over though. last call for the Taylor elim please before my inevitable death tonight! Gimme a dying wish!-
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You're really gunna do me like that? Fine I'll read the isosIn post 1244, Infinity 324 wrote:Murder who's scum?-
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Spoiler: egoposts
Just gunna point some stuff out as I see it. These posts directly contradict, but are from different heads. I'm not really sure what to make of that, is that just something that happens? Makes me feel like they were not discussing in PT, but I'm not sure why scum wouldn't be aligned in who they are pushing? But maybe it's not that important for scum to be aligned with a push early? I don't have a strong AI read on this but I am curious if anyone makes anything from it.-
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I think this is interesting given the eventual vote on me for me basically saying the same thing about BMIn post 656, egotisi wrote:BM is annoying me because he seems to still be scumreading taylor hard (who i'm currently leaning town on too), but also seems alergic to actually explaining/presenting that read-
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Honestly there is .. not much there? I don't know reading through the iso I think I didn't give it enough credit I think there is real game solving going on. Gunna go look at the case against ego-
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Weak voteIn post 1158, Isis wrote:I'm going to switch to VOTE: egotisi, because I don't think either head has responded to me and that could very well be GeorgeBailey still horrified of my history catching him and consciously or subconsciously not wanting to keep me on the agenda.-
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Weak voteIn post 1162, Exorcists wrote:I’m honestly really happy with the direction we’re going in.
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Weak vote. What are we actually doing here?In post 1148, Jewel Barons wrote:VOTE: egotisi
While I'm a bit skeptical of Infinity's motives currently, I also think we've kinda been stuck talking about a few slots and a wagon here shakes that up a bit.
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Talk to me about ego infinity because I'm not seeing it. On to Tayl0r-
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I really don't think Tayl0r is this bold as scum? I know BM is sure, but like, can you actually imagine typing this out and pressing submit as scum?In post 72, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
i mean it could if the town PRs fuck up and are dumb. but they just have to feign ignorance and not be like "well im the cop so in all the scenarios i consider, therell be a cop"... like if it outs town PRs then itll out scum too, who are also TMI. itll take 2 seconds to go through and look at the possible options for town with 8 points, and then to look at which ones dont make sense given the scum roles.In post 71, xofelf wrote:Why are you so sure it won't?-
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Why this as scum?
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The biggest thing that is +Tayl0r scum for me is that there is not that much solving, but I kinda like what is there.
I really don't have energy to read Noraa iso, but I will tomorrow.
I still don't really like xofelf? (as in your alignment, I'm sure you're very nice.)
BM I wavered on because it seems so weird for him to town slip like that as scum.
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Yeah I mean I guess I see that POV and I did feel like the read on me re the BM stuff kinda came out of nowhere. But I don't know, is there anything in ego's iso that doesn't apply to Dunn? I think Dunn's ego vote was literally the first thing he said about ego all game.-
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I mean I really don't agree with that based on my read of the isoIn post 1276, Noraa wrote:It was just everyone except Taylor is town-
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Can I just sheep this instead of reading it myself-
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Yeah here's how I read Noraa, ignore all the obviously scummy stuff that is somehow still possible from town Noraa -> town read
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@Gamma and anyone else who may have missed itIn post 0, brassherald wrote:Setup-
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Well it's didn't keep the link but anyway it's there..-
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In what way?In post 1310, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m not a fan of how MCat approached the egotisi wagon-
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We do have some time still. Reading Noraa.
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Might be conf biased, but this sort of fence sitting seems AI for scum NoraaIn post 215, Noraa wrote:I only have two leans rn and they are weak asf-
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This also sticks out, an effort post that ends with a shrug.In post 345, Noraa wrote:No everyone here is definitely right. Plus seems much more well composed this game. And I'm sure its not just me that's noticed this. I think this is either bc he is scum and knows the whole setup so he is pretty relaxed or its just that his game is getting better. Plus is normally somewhat like me .... basically a huge tsunami of confusion and LHF vibes. But this game I see huge improvement and while I want to say its most likely bc he is scum, I also think its very possible that its just his game getting better.-
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@infinity I think your criticism of ego also applies to Noraa. There's a lot of stuff like this where Noraa calls things out or interacts about something but it doesn't actually go anywhere. I think town Noraa is much more willing to share her alignment opinions about anything and everything. Like from town Noraa I would expect a comment that involves something about Cobra's alignment here if she is going to call it out. (Ok not every post will have something like that but I feel like there is a higher number of posts like this one that what I would expect from town Noraa.)In post 574, Noraa wrote:This is actually such a bad answer to murder's question.-
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This is directly opposed to a previous read that Noraa gave where she called Tayl0r scumIn post 1055, Noraa wrote:I do not like the Taylor wagon-
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Ok I mean I definitely saw evidence of Noraa scum. I'm going to wait a few hours, come back, and look for evidence that Noraa is town. That one super high effort post about infinity and the "untunnel" of plus still feel very off to me as well.-
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Thanks I will read this game too
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I do think this is a good point and I definitely think that ego and Noraa as scum partners start bussing in at least one direction.In post 1346, egotisi wrote:so you have scum!noraa right. and she sees that (1) a lot of people are scumreading her, meaning there's a decent chance she flips today, and (2) that people are jumping on the hot new lol-lurker egotisi wagon. does she:
a) start at least throwing shade at egotisi, bullshit a scumread there, so that she can jump on her counterwagon at some point without looking horrible
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VOTE: xofelf
Noraa is E-1 so I might as well park here. I think if it were up to me I might flip there just because it feels like that wagon never got off the ground and xof did dip again.-
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Do you think infinity and me are ever scum together (asking because it feels like you are pointing at both of us here)In post 1360, egotisi wrote:murder are you pocketing me?
I pay a lot of attention to how wagons are formed and at first I thought the wagon on you was good as you hadn't really see much heat. But actually looking at the votes it didn't look very strong to me-
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I'm not asking for connections, just other SRsIn post 1364, xofelf wrote:Oh I have no idea. That's not how I look at things. Not on day 1 with no flip information. I really only tend to notice those connections with people AFTER there's actual solid information we have. Before it can mean anything. Town and scum interactions with people can like identical. And considering how often it's smart for scum to distance or purposefully buddy up to somebody who is town in order to cast suspicion on them if they leave, there's too much noise to sort out for me, so I uh don't do it that way? I'm more of an individualist anyways. Look, I'm all about information, and until I have anything actually concrete, I can't really do anything. Just.. how I work.-
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Nah I figured but your slot has SR'd me quite a bit and I don't really see how I'm ever scum from town ego's POV with how I'm defending the slot unless I'm scum with infinity and we are coordinated or Noraa and Tayl0r are both also townIn post 1365, egotisi wrote:also i thought the ":(" at the end would be indication that i wasn't fully serious about accusing you of pocketing me but sorry if it didn't come across right-
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I am considering it yeah, let me read through a town game and the iso one more timeIn post 1393, Infinity 324 wrote:Murder do you want to give intent so nora can claim? Don't see us getting much else out of this day, unless you have serious doubts.-
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Noraa can you show me a completed town game of yours where you were pushed to close to elim?In post 1404, Noraa wrote:No one gave intent. Why should I claim?-
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Do we even have enough for this?
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Only 2 votes on xof right now I think. Honestly feel like Noraa is flailing and hinting PR already I don't want to let that go
pedit: why is that taylor?-
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Also, I'm not saying we never get a full claim from Noraa but if she is doing all this and just claims vanilla I'd like to just get it over with sooner rather than later-
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Noraa is already hinting at PR it's too late for that-
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That said, I think there is a decent chance that town Noraa is actually vanilla here and is hinting anyway, so that's why I want her to just commit one way or the other-
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I think Plus is just new BM and I think new players overrate PRs-
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Plus I agree with infinity, if we are going to make xof happen we need something to happen with Noraa first. Honestly if Noraa is PR, claims, and dies for it tonight and we lim xof scum today instead that sounds like a great outcome for today.
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Plus, what happens in your mind today if we all move to xof? At some point we need a claim there right? It really feels like Noraa was about to fakeclaim and you let up all the pressure-
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And what if xof starts hinting at PR seeing how successful it was for Noraa?-
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I think this is new town cold feet yeah. The other options are Plus is scum with Noraa, and I think you have to bus. Or Plus is scum without Noraa and then you just push it through.-
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plus scum at least waits for the claim to unvote to force the CC-
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