Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

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VOTE: implosion

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intro thought: if skitter and mena are scum they finally get to play scum together.

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VOTE: bridgeburners

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intro thought: if skitter and mena are scum they finally get to play scum together.

T’would be cheating to do it this way, sadly

Don't worry - it counts enough, and I'm rooting for you two.

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Wait, this isn’t the scum PT

what the heck

Oh no! Mena, you've been caught!

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come on....

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hello ladies and gentelmen, very secret and sneaky hydra here

VOTE: penguin eating popcorn in a laid back way, probably scum watching town tearing themselves apart from the sidelines

totally not popcorn. they're chestnuts. learn to read japanese my dude.

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Obviously not SEcret.

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penguin hard town.

riiiiight...........why?

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I have vague memories in the before times of being good at reading him.

I have vague memories in the before times of scum!me beating you when you were my IC.

Ok...they aren't vague. I remember them.

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Attack of the buzzwords!

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There was some other game after that where you were town and I correctly hard townread you when other people didn't and I think I've decided that because that game happened later and I was correct in it, i'm actually Good at this game.

I remember this. My first normal game.

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Pretty sure it was this one.

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i've been successfully pocketed.

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one (1) haiku

VOTE: scipio

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<3

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b a

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That’s like a D2/3 thing to consider tbh.

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At the earliest

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do y'all want the spamposting version, or nice long wall version of catching up?

~ skitter

Spamposty pls

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commences zoning out

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Will

you

write me a haiku if I vote Isis?

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But, I like haiku and I’ve been pocketed.

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i actually like my current vote where it is atm

Thanks for the haiku.

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Oh oh i know what isis wants to say about hydras

Pick me pick me

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How does having access to talking with other player change how you view that 1 post by implo?

Do you think everyone can talk to other people in a PT?

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That

is

what that post implies though...

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Ooh - interesting. I didn’t think about the latter.

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I have not seen one haiku.

most elegant bird
land bound but never grounded
flies true in our hearts

Do you require a translation to Japanese? I will be happy to oblige if that’s the case.

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Holy shit i hate you

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Skitter v/la post is the epitome of nai. Let’s move on from that.

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I don’t have any reason to see why that doesn’t come from scum!isis but feel free to enlighten me.

+I’m pocketed.

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on an unrelated note: penguin i think you're town here!

Mena already pocketed me but ty for inflating my ego.

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Holy shit i hate you

oh did i steal your pagetop sorry

?

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I don’t have any reason to see why that doesn’t come from scum!isis but feel free to enlighten me.

To be clear - this was directed at notscience since i did not quote. Anyone is free to answer though.

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No - it’s just not something that focusing on will yield anything.

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skitteR*

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tell me more?

Nothing fancy. Just seeing positioning after a vc. Hence “atm”

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Why are people TR'ing Penguin? I don't see it.

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I've quickhammered on page 2...sometimes it just happens.

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VOTE: ben

NM's E-1

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That's "NM's E-1."

I thought I was pretty clear on that.

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Saying "NM's E-1" below the vote wasn't clear to you but saying it a second time cleared it up?

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ah, that's fair

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Implo is tttbt

Is tttbt town?

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What’s your preferred non-haiku wagon there AFF?

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Woah - time warp

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Also it seems like I still haven't received a answer for the 2 quick votes by QB and Penguin, were those because of my early game like AFF says?

Wait...what’s your question to me?

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Also it seems like I still haven't received a answer for the 2 quick votes by QB and Penguin, were those because of my early game like AFF says?

Wait...what’s your question to me?

Why did you vote me to put me at E-2?

I like wagons. You were a good one.

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Or, do you post too little?

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Well - it's a relative opinion, so if you posted more you would think that the level of posting was normal and not too much.

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Where I'm at right now roughly is

Scipio, Penguin, Datisi

Infinity

Aaron, notsic, Schiavetto

ben dover

Secret Hydra, N_M, Isis, Bridgeburners


Secret hydra I notably haven't really actually invested any energy to try to read yet

Why do you have my pocketer so low? BB should be higher imo. Don’t actually disagree strongly with much else.

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I...gave up a pagetop?

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Yeah...sorry

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I’m excited that these are new terms....

Off to the wiki!

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I feel like I wanted to approach this game less spamposty because PP and implo are in it and I don't think it's their style of game. Trying not to multipost when I usually would.

Reminder for me to address this in the morning.

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interesting...

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WHO IS AFF?!?!?!?!

it's aaron fucking frost

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Why'd you move off AFF to a 0-vote wagon?

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Ok - why'd you move off of AFF (someone you decided was worthy of your vote) to someone who no one else decided was worthy of a vote and to whit you have not really explained why you think is worthy of a vote beyond a tonal read of one post?

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VOTE: Isis

(NM's E-1)

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cool story

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Not voting is fun.

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I appreciate not voting

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Like - it’s such a weird trajectory to take Isis to NM’s e-1 then unvote when actually taken to e-1 then to say “I think Isis is town.”

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VOTE: penguin

Ty for doing something

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Like - it’s such a weird trajectory to take Isis to NM’s e-1 then unvote when actually taken to e-1 then to say “I think Isis is town.”

aren't those descending levels of disfavor? I don't get it. Also you forgot your "in the morning" post

You didn’t do anything in the in between to warrant a change hence weird trajectory.

Checking back because I literally forgot about this post.

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I feel like I wanted to approach this game less spamposty because PP and implo are in it and I don't think it's their style of game. Trying not to multipost when I usually would.

Reminder for me to address this in the morning.

Ah - why do you not think my style of game is spamposty? I’m pretty sure you know it is, and I have already said I prefer spamposty over walling to Datisi in this game.

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Correction - i said it to Mena

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Like - it’s such a weird trajectory to take Isis to NM’s e-1 then unvote when actually taken to e-1 then to say “I think Isis is town.”

Isis posting has been town since then

Elucidate me. What specifically did you find towny vs. previous posting?

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So who’s scum then? You think AFF v. Isis is tvt?

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I’m not approaching this from a math standpoint and my terminology is not math related. Didn’t mean for that to come across as look at this graph.

I am fine with hundreds - nay thousands of posts - that are not very large. Easier for my brain to pay attention to.

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Noted for later referral.

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Queue/cue/qwee

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isis's posting is like, fine but, idk i kind of just want blood

is this a new feeling? Because you could have shifted closer to blood by moving to AFF

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Or, do you post too little?

Who posts too little now pengu?

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Could have sworn I posted something but I guess it was just a dream.

Why do I dream about this game?

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hmmmm

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VOTE: implosion

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hmmmm

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Boring elimination for d1 tbh

I can’t decide what you do with your nk though.

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<3

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What’s the case for nm? Seems really lazy.

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So - elim because it’s nm regardless of actual? It’s lazy.

Don’t support for today.

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Because it’s d1 and you don’t know what’s going to go down.

I don’t see myself making this same statement tomorrow.

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An nm elim d1 is basically a n0 start and I don’t support it.

I also don’t care to fight it beyond what I’ve said, but I think we can do better.

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(5) Where nm flips town PR and we’re in a worse spot?

Nm has shown a recent proclivity to actually play so i think your (2) has the potential to be wrong, and I also thing your (4) is just wrong in the latter half given most slots in this game have contributed things to look back on.

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That’s my energy limit on NM so....yeah, there that is.

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It’s apparent that this is coming from a personal level, so I would like to hear from skitteR.

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I just want to hear that you agree with mena.

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That’s understandable. I don’t want to encourage hydra dissonance in game, so I can wait.

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(expired on 2021-02-09 16:45:02)

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let's flip ben anyway

-QB

what

what?

-QB

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let's flip ben anyway

-QB

what

what?

-QB

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why's ben scum?

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math

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immediately prepares to ignore the impending wallpost

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the former

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It was meant to come across as a desire for real-time posting as you caught up instead of a summary of thoughts at the end.

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fwiw i disagree with mena and don't want to flip ben

~ skitter

Who do you want to flip?

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it’s 45 posts shorter?

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46

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47

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math

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Lame way to track - and much harder.

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Unless you are eyeballing which i assume you are

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PP, do you think your play here so far is town indicative of you?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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PP is the cooler cousin of Not_Mafia.

I accept.

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sigh of relief

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Hmmmm

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Did I hear 7day/36hour prods is perfect?

Carry on.

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well this game has certainly become different

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VOTE: Shirou

is that d1 vote from s_s?

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It didn't in 781.

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lilith

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that was a really fun game

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ss can you show me where you think ben exhibited confidence in claiming?

I mean, just based on the fact that he didn't stall at all when asked to claim.

Right. There definitely wasn’t a 10.5 hour gap between intent and his claim.

Not at all.

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Fair enough

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Does that mean I’m in the same group as Isis? I’m already voting implosion.

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holds breath as he quietly hopes shirou doesn’t look at his iso

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a lot of people are saying implo is scummy too but not commiting to it so

This is a thing I noticed.

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Good question. Who are the consensus town reads - besides me because I’m an awesome bird.

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? Not .

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Sorry.

~penguin

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Also sorry.

~power

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i maybe need to read the setup because this is adjacent enough to role madness that like, the next person that gets run up claims PR too much of the time anyway and it's silly, maybe

Why would you not read the setup? It’s a randomly generated setup and understanding how it’s created seems somewhat important for people who care about that stuff - not me.

~penguin

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Also waiting for a vote count.

~pongWIN

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~power

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Hmmm - that’s not what I would have expected.

~p0weR

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what did you expect?

Idk - I thought you would be one to more gravitate to understanding the setup so I’m a bit confused.

~pengwon

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@penguin, you're forgetting your Ponglin nickname

I am explicitly not.

~pongWIN

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it's kind of like how on those nickelodeon game shows where round 1 is worth 300 points, round 2 is worth 500 points, and round 3 is worth 1000 points, the key to an exciting and interesting taping of the episode is that the children be too ignorant and foolish to do stretches during rounds 1 and 2 instead of screaming about comebacks.

I'll connect with you about something one day PP I swear it

It has happened.

~pangolin?

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Not voting (5) - seCret hYdra, AaronFrost, Petapan, Something_Smart, Shirou

do something.

thx.

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sure VOTE: Implosion

really hate the S_S wagon rn so idk, i'd rather see where this goes

- hYdra

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I'm not committed to this, but it seems the best lead I have at present.

VOTE: PenguinPower

Lol

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I think the vote is bad - yes.

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Now you’re just lying. Voting is basically all I do Day 1 unless I find something to tunnel on.

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SkitteR is probably the only active player rn that can accurately read me tbh.

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Haha - it worked.

Also mena is pretty good at reading me.

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some would say I have a 76.923% accuracy rate on reading you

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I'm interested in your reasons for the vote though.

PP has felt more useless than he usually does, to the point where I was pretty surprised to see that he had 144 posts.

Very roughly, my impression of his towngame is that he makes snarky comments that are sometimes productive or good points, and as scum he fades into the background more. He's been present, but not really doing much that feels like it will advance the game, aside from voting/campaigning for votes which is pretty easy for scum to do.

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s_s is hard to read so I don’t know if he really believes that or not despite being wrong.

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good votes, prefer them vastly to the SS wagon

Why’s that?

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Riiight - and quoting his exact words is not hearing from SS why landed on me.

got it.

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Right - that wasn’t my point. Why if AFF a good vote when you (seemingly) prefer implosion?

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I mean - it’s somewhat weird to be pushing a specific wagon and then cheering on people for voting not that wagon.

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Riiight - and quoting his exact words is not hearing from SS why landed on me.

got it.

cool, as long as we're doing the snark thing

rather than imp/aaron

yeah - it’s amazing that someone gives a reason and people expect that to be the stated reason.

Amazing.

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feel like u look pushable from a scum pov

Wut?

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Right - that wasn’t my point. Why if AFF a good vote when you (seemingly) prefer implosion?

and went with imp, whom i also read & who looked more viable

I assume there is a “and found scummy for [reasons]” in there somewhere.

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feel like u look pushable from a scum pov

Wut?

i think scum would look at you as someone they could push by going "hEs NoT dOiNg AnYtHiNg" so in that sense him pushing you is scummy

Meh - scum!ss would know that I’m not an easy push in early game so it would be weird for him to start a wagon on me especially considering that he usually restricts voting D1.

Counterpoint: he has openly broke that meta. That said, still seems weird.

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i mean hes given more reasons for scumreading implo than u tbh

Maybe? Must be in a wall somewhere.

That wasn’t my point. Ooooh - can I do a Schiavetto now?

i'd've preferred to hear from Schiavetto on that question.

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Seems like you could have just asked that then.

Good wagon at the time - don’t really feel like moving to a different one atm.

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Seems like you could have just asked that then.

Good wagon at the time - don’t really feel like moving to a different one atm.

@peta

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Right - that wasn’t my point. Why if AFF a good vote when you (seemingly) prefer implosion?

and went with imp, whom i also read & who looked more viable

I assume there is a “and found scummy for [reasons]” in there somewhere.

Yeah, I've given reasons on both over the course of the thread but basically my issue with imp is that i see them as playing very hands off in a way that lends itself to a lot of revisionism &w/ aaron the substanceless posts.

Still no idea where the energy in 1729 is coming from, but to be clear: i guess it came across as being snippety, but I very much meant what i said in 1728, i had been hoping to hear from SS themselves. I don't really agree with peta that you're

pushable

for scum necessarily, but the vanity wagon against two maybe divisive opposing wagons looked off and it's the sort of thing you hope someone maybe gives a bit of insight into when given the opportunity to

Ty - sorry for interjecting.

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No feelings.

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i'm feeling a little detached from the game, and don't feel liek i have suepr great reads atm

a couple of 'important' reads that i feel p strongly on are that i think isis is town and that i don't want to flip ss today

You really need to work out the dissonance in your hydra pt.

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Thoughts on implo/AFF vote?

I mean those are the potential counters to

the wagon your slot is currently voting

at this point.

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Is that to me?

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Oh - the internal screaming match...got it

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i prefer the internal screaming

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No screaming here, I’ve turned over a new leaf and I’m now one of the chill bros who’s limiting himself to making vaguely sarcastic and/or passive aggressive comments

-QB

Welcome.

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Mena/skitteR are town until otherwise proven via results or late stage.

No reason to worry D1.

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(Magical?) indexes are great. What is your point?

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That’s....not how d1 wagons work.

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Like - absent the scum team, no one is working with any real information.

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Quite interesting

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It's not like you're actually committing to a push on P_P, you discussed him a little and voted him. i just looked at your iso to double check that you didn't constantly talk about him and the first thing i saw is you literally said you're not committing to it when you voted him

S_S doesn’t think he can actually push me here which is why it’s interesting.

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S_S - pretend I’m confirmed town. who’s scum?

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S_S doesn’t think he can actually push me here which is why it’s interesting.

I mean, I could push you. I don't think it would really benefit anyone.

Least of all you (i also don’t think you could).

Move on to my next question. Plskthx.

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Meh

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SkitteR....why? S_S is underwheming and he.is.voting.

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Nah - that’s fine for now. I’m not really looking to vote him.

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Consider me lolhammering to deny n_m the pleasure.

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May i suggest implosion?

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I disagree with skitteR

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Awww - i was waiting for a setup of “about what?”

Too bad - filing that gif for later.

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ok we can still do the bit tho

i say: about what
cue penguin:

~ skitteR
(i'm kinda assuming you were talking abt my peta read)

Nah - i want to use it naturally. Thanks for the pagetop setup though!

This is why skitteR is great and town and maybe i actually will vote peta.

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So we’re defaulting to an AFF it seems.

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wait, wut?

when did you start thinking i was town?

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Hrm

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implo kinda loosely point to them being tvt - scum have no motivation to switch or force either wagon in particular through, and are fairly content to passively watch either play out

Could have also been a svs wagon and scum thought to try and flash a different one through...

Js

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AFF was a flash wagon though....

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Like - there are super less votecounts than I would like, but it was implosion v. S_S until recently and now AFF!slot is leading wagon.