Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

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something something iconic d1 yeet VOTE: secret hydra

How far this intro has come

However it also doesn’t apply, Ico would need to be here

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intro thought: if skitter and mena are scum they finally get to play scum together.

T’would be cheating to do it this way, sadly

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Tbh I’m just happy to see that my streak of rolling cop in open games has continued

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I think we prob need to kill the pingu N1 skitt, he’s onto us

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Wait, this isn’t the scum PT

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Hydra PT*

FUCK

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VOTE: scipio1

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Wait, this isn’t the scum PT

what the heck

Don’t worry about it bud

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Wait, this isn’t the scum PT

what the heck

Oh no! Mena, you've been caught!

It’s okay, well hardbus scipio for the towncred and then everyone will forget

[Bridgeburners]

We’ll*

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come on....

I don’t know what you’re talking about

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...this game is about to bring every meme imaginable.

Yeah! Memes! Haha, that’s totally what it was

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This game and pl look amazing and fanatstic!!!!

Hi everyone

I'm kinda busy today irl but i'll be around later !

@sircakez now sure how much it matters cuz hydra but i'm vla on fridays and saturdays

~ skitter

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one two seven three
VOTE: ben dover123

mena can you put an avatar on pls

I know not this "mena" of whom you speak, for I am Ben Adaephon Delat, also known as Quick Ben, mage of the Bridgeburners and master of

Spoiler: malazan spoilers

12!!

magical warrens!

[Bridgeburners]

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i have too little, tell me more

You feel more relaxed than I'd expect scum!you to be

Notsci pointed out what I was thinking (whether gypyx's energy is towny)

Gypyx is energetic and therefore towny

Scipio had a towny reaction to townslipping

Ben dover is new so being relaxed is a good sign

Implo probably has a good reason to TR penguin

[Bridgeburners]

yes, i am in fact only pretending to be gypyx, you figured me out well done

[Bridgeburners]

Pingu
datisi
notsci
implo

AF

isis
NM

ben dover
schiav

infinity
sec-hyd
scipio

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Here we see Quick Ben take his patented aggressive style, hoping to post so many memes so quickly that the scumteam cannot take it anymore and simply concedes.

[Bridgeburners]

skitt and I would actually like to have a v chilled out game so if anyone threatens that happening we will rain down upon them with unholy hellfire

[Bridgeburners]

i've been successfully pocketed.

[Bridgeburners]

Pingu
datisi
notsci
implo

AF

isis
NM

ben dover
schiav

infinity
sec-hyd
scipio

-QB

tell me more about that scipio SR

did not like fake townslip

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I may or may not be lying about exactly one (1) of my reads

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no no, is v bad, kill w/ fire

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mena

I know not of whom you speak! For I am Ben Adaephon Delat, also known as Quick Ben, mage of the Bridgeburners and master of the magical warrens!

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AFF's 84 was good

notsci limiting his posting is prob town motivated

infinity is giving out too many TRs too easily and should be more paranoid. also is ignoring my slot which is ?

[Bridgeburners]

consider that infinity's read on you makes very little sense as you have noted

then vote scipio?

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I'm never funny as scum, this is all very AI for me, u should definitely be TRing me

I feel like I do remember you being quite paranoid, also

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think about it: if I was scum, it would be just borderline suicidal to claim that I was scum on page 1, right? so that would just be playing against my wincon, which we all know I would never do

therefore, the fact that I claimed scum is something that I would only do as town, logically, and therefore I should be locktown from this point on

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also is ignoring my slot which is ?

1 what

consider that infinity's read on you makes very little sense as you have noted

then vote scipio?

2 are these two supposed to be related

3 i have considered it

i like my ben vote

(1) it is "?"

(2) mabe

(3) consider... x2?

[Bridgeburners]

I am prepared to write one (1) haiku or one (1) limerick for anyone who votes scipio rn so we can end D1 in under 10 pages

[Bridgeburners]

In PyP I made a point of trusting my TRs (especially strong TRs), it didn't work out well there but eh

Sometimes I'm paranoid when I feel like I don't have a good handle on the game, but it's way too early for that

PEdit: lol

eh, fair enough

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not understanding a single thing bridge is saying rn lmao

I (the first person pronoun -- referring in this case to the player slot known as "bridge burners", specifically the Quick Ben head of the hydra) am (first person conjugation of the verb "to be") prepared (to be willing to) to write (verb -- to inscribe words using keyboard or pen that have meaning and allow communication with others) one (1) (number, used to signify quantity) haiku (a short poetic form generally consisting of a 5 syllable line, followed by a 7 syllable line, followed by a 5 syllable line, although these conventions can be broken when writing in English and not in the original Japanese) or (used to link two alternative options) one (1) (number again) limerick (a humorous poetic form with a rhyme pattern of AABBA, typically rather irreverent) for anyone (one of the two poetic options will be designed the person accepting my offer) who votes (who uses the code

Code: Select all

[vote][/vote]

to place a vote within this game of mafia, signifying who they would like to be eliminated today) scipio (another player in the game) rn (contraction; signifies "right now") so we (referring to the rest of the players in the game) can (to be able to) end (to finish, terminate) D1 (the first day of play in most mafia games and variants) in under (to be below a certain number) 10 (another number, signifying ten individual units of a thing) pages (25 posts on mafiascum(dot)net).

I hope this clears things up!

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also is ignoring my slot which is ?

1 what

consider that infinity's read on you makes very little sense as you have noted

then vote scipio?

2 are these two supposed to be related

3 i have considered it

i like my ben vote

(1) it is "?"

(2) mabe

(3) consider... x2?

(1) i don't get how/where was he ignoring your slot
(also i feel like there's a joke or something in (1) that i'm missing)

(2) i don't get it

(3) ok i did

(1) I was like half shitposting, but he didn't include me in his list of TRs or give any reason for why at the time

(2) it is a humorous misspelling of "maybe"

(3) soooooo..?

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one (1) haiku

VOTE: scipio

most elegant bird
land bound but never grounded
flies true in our hearts

[Bridgeburners]

VOTE: Scipio

lonely hollow knight
a hornet in the hallownest
ships passing in the night

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If this is an Any Nondead Person reference I always love those but I thought that's before your time.

I was on site concurrent with the final couple of days of it

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didn't tell the mod right away about her V/LA in Mini 2113 as town

If you like I can find you any one of a million towngames where skitt’s first post has been to greet people and to announce her VLA to the mod

C-

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Hmm, did you actually roll scum this game isis?

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Tbh I’m just happy to see that my streak of rolling cop in open games has continued

Thanks goodness I’m a mafia godfather.

Oh wait godfather isn’t even a thing in this setup, I was thinking of c9+++

Derpclear me now pls

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Hmm, did you actually roll scum this game isis?

Ehh, maybe not, I’m guessing you probably (?) wouldn’t try to shade our slot over something as easily disprovable as “scum!skitt would be more likely to announce her VLA immediately”

I’ll see what she thinks tho

[Bridgeburners]

how is that a townslip? doesn't this setup only have a godfather a quarter of the time or something?

someone can eli5 sometimes I'm bad at counting out these kinds of things and it's just a logic thing

[Bridgeburners]

It’s not a townslip
It’s not a townslip
It’s not a townslip
It’s not a townslip
It’s not a townslip
It’s not a townslip
It’s not a townslip
It’s not a townslip

Don’t try to use slips as either alignment to sort people
Don’t try to use slips as either alignment to sort people
Don’t try to use slips as either alignment to sort people
Don’t try to use slips as either alignment to sort people
Don’t try to use slips as either alignment to sort people
Don’t try to use slips as either alignment to sort people
Don’t try to use slips as either alignment to sort people
Don’t try to use slips as either alignment to sort people
Don’t try to use slips as either alignment to sort people

First slip of many, folx

My bad

[Bridgeburners]

Isis can i tempt you with a scipio vote?

[Bridgeburners]

heya, around for a bit
catching up now

~ skits

pedit ig mena is around a bit now too >.>

[Bridgeburners]

Mena is confirmed scum

Accurate tbh

I decided that skitter is too good at scum and so it must be getting boring for her

So I figured I’d just open wolf all game to make things a little bit more challenging and therefore fun!

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but I doubt anyone commenting on it would really go out of their way to lie about how they'd interpret it if they are scum.

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That’s like a D2/3 thing to consider tbh.

This is why I always pocket you first <3

Skitter is taking over for a bit

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do y'all want the spamposting version, or nice long wall version of catching up?

~ skitter

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eh your'e getting a very abbreviated wall of assorted thoguths that i will probably elaborate upon request, as i'm already halfway thru

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intro thought: if skitter and mena are scum they finally get to play scum together.

<3

~
assorted thoughts as i read through:

-> p1 dats, scipio, penguin is a bit townie
-> 57 i think is townie for infinity here
-> maybe also gypyx, amybe also aaron
-> i feel like i should have thoughts on implo's 105 and 109, but i do not
-> mena is hilarious
-> ben's 162 feels townie to me, and i just have good vibes all around on him

skitter didn't tell the mod right away about her V/LA in Mini 2113 as town, but did so in Newbie 1951 as scum and did so in Silent Star 3 as scum. I'm sure further citations will dilute this pattern but even with a weak pattern, it feels significant when this is a game where she's in a hydra and she knows it matters less. It's also somewhat less town-hydra-y to opt for shouting that out to the mod right away versus consulting with Menalque to ascertain how necessary it is or isn't, since as town it's a shared responsibility to solve the game and as scum the posting pattern is more of a visible lifestyle or that's a bad metaphor I was trying to think of a better one.

isis :(
this is not a good take

~

ok i'm caught up ama
i have many many many townreads

isis is my only scumread
idk where we're voting but

VOTE: isis

[Bridgeburners]

Will

you

write me a haiku if I vote Isis?

only if u will accept very bad ones

I will write you a sonnet if you vote skitter

I don't think she scumreads me

i think you are scum and this is very sad
idk why you decided to pick this fight tho

~ skitter

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? i'm saying its a bad push that feels scummy to me but at the same time i'm kinda baffled why scum-you would make it in the first place

~ skitter

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But given that it’s like, a notably bad push that also doesn’t make sense as town (bc u really should know better) the “why would scum!isis do this!?” argument doesn’t make sense as a reason to TR you

-QB

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i'm always baffled by your towngame?
i'm not really aware of that ?

~ skitter

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wasn't i scum in that one?
(i did actually go and find it >.>)

~ skitter

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maybe i wrote that confusingly
what i'm trying to say is that i don't remember being 'baffled' by your towngame
like you're saying i am. i don't remmeber that being a thing

~ skitter

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o.k. isis

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it’s whoever you want it to be

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o.k. isis

t'was me actually!

~ skitter

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i would strongly endorse an isis wagon rn btw!

~ skitter

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notsci why are you town on isis?

also: aaron frost!!!! hello
~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

skitter has done this in both games I have played with her iirc and she was town in both

i've done it i think in nearly every single game i've played for literally years now as both alignments and a) isis managed to dig up the like one example where i didn't and b) she really ought to know that

~ skitter

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we've played several together, most recently the infamous SS3:Royalty in the mini queue

i think a majority of this pl would agree with me saying that that's literally my first post in nearly every game i play as both alignments. i'm just kinda baffled that she'd come to the conclusion that it's scummy
and like i said later on at the same time i'm not sure why scum!her makes that take because it's like a bizarre thing to set up an argument abt that i'm p sure she knows i'm going to object to but like my overall take is that it's scummy

pedit was it really only 3? ok i can cite probably dozens of games where i did it as town and ig you happened to be in the one where i didn't, does knowing that change anything?

~ skitter

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Really not sure why scum!isis comes out the gate with a push on town!skitt/mena that's verifiably wrong, and I'd like skitt/mena to come up with a possible explanation for that.

In the words of the great Fumuki (paraphrased) “sometimes scum just do bizarre-o shit, yo”

-QB

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Ime scum in general want their posts to sound reasonable

He said, reasonably

[Bridgeburners]

sigh
ok in an effort to make the thread less ego-centric i shall magnanimously move on but reserve the right to continue to sr isis

on an unrelated note: penguin i think you're town here!

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

Right, the point is it’s bizarre for isis as either alignment, but the question is given that fact which alignment does it make more sense from? On the one hand, scum!isis probably can’t reasonably assume it’s going anywhere... but on the other, it could be scum!isis thinking that town!isis would make a point like that if she had concerns, and hoping she’ll get towncred for *checks notes* making an obviously bad push (where BoP of her scumgame leads to a TR)

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on an unrelated note: penguin i think you're town here!

Mena already pocketed me but ty for inflating my ego.

i shall endeavor to keep the pocket going

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

I was only half joking when I said about the fumuki thing — like, if the thing just doesn’t make sense AND is pro-scum I think there’s a v good case for an elim there

I won’t stress the issue overmuch tho, especially if skitt herself wants to move on from it

[Bridgeburners]

I should get better at signing

-QB

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(where BoP of her scumgame leads to a TR)

my brain is esplode

I mean, if I’ve done it as scum before you’re certainly capable of it

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

You uh

You know that was me, Quick Ben, right?

[Bridgeburners]

Ye-es, hence the implication of the above post..?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

i didnt know the codes

Skitter has consistently signed every single post she’s made this game with some variation of her name..?

[Bridgeburners]

O-kay?

This all feels like it’s sidestepping or distracting from the point that you implying you wouldn’t use a perceived BoP of your scumgame to try and get TR by doing something that doesn’t make sense for scum!you to do is definitely not true because you’re entirely good enough as scum to do that

Given that I have done it, to significant success, and you have openly claimed to be better at scum than me on this page

And your getting confused about who was saying that is again just.. somewhat bizarre, because I think bar maybe one post it’s been consistently very clear which head of this hydra has posted what

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

ngl the sequence from 301-305 was hilarious

g'night all
~ skitter
~ skidder
~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

We’re not really arguing about VLA at this point, we’re arguing about whether scum!isis would fake thinking VLA was a legitimate reason to shade/SR skitter when it’s obviously not

With the 0 level thinking being “no, scum!isis would not make a play like that because it obviously makes no sense and is going nowhere”

And the level 1 thinking being “actually, it makes total sense that scum!isis would do that because (1) maybe it helps plant a seed of paranoia about skitter, who people get paranoid of anyway (trust me I *know*) and (2) people will reach the level 0 thought conclusion and so scum!isis will pick up TRs for it”

-QB

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brain esplode was just because "BoP of scumgame" is hilarious and paradoxish, even though I understand what you were doing with the phrase and it makes sense. I think I could see myself making a play like that as scum, I'm not saying otherwise.

Eh, i guess I’m open to having misinterpreted what you meant by “brain esplode”

It felt kinda dismissive tho

Anyway, I said I wouldn’t belabour the point so I’ll leave it for now, I think I’ve covered what needed to be said

And it’s 5am here so I’m also gonna try to head off! Night!

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Pingu
Sec-hyd
Infinity

Datisi
Implo
Notsci
AFF

N_M
Ben Dover

Schiavetto
Scipio

Isis

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

i'm scumleaning gypyx but townleaning ico, help

recent gypyx posts feel like arguing for the sake of arguing

pedit: oh hello
what's changed your mind about the hydra?

jeez, that's a pretty big leap from us

any reason why? also who's AFF?

- hYdra

In answer to both: I liked Ico’s entrance a lot and I’m TRing that

[Bridgeburners]

Why are people TR'ing Penguin?

I gave up on conventionally trying to read the penguin a while ago, and now rely on soulreads, and his soul says it’s town this game

[Bridgeburners]

@dats u asked me why i liked ben

Ig i kinda just liked his tone and the timing of hia posta

Skimming through his iso again i'm not feeling it as strongly as i did whenever i said that

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

VOTE: bend over[/b]

[Bridgeburners]

Ffs

[Bridgeburners]

VOTE: bend over

[Bridgeburners]

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Why would we chill out when we could make that E-2 an E-1?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Although, in fairness, I had forgotten that N_M was among us which does make E-2 E-1 in effective terms

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I mean... it can be

Why is having people at E-2 early a bad thing?

Also, where are you from? (Site wise, last post makes it sound like you play elsewhere)

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Ohhhh, you’re an art of problem solving arrival, okay, that makes sense I guess

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Hello!

I tr: penguin, infinity, and dats fairly strongly

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

I don't think we should end the day early

y not

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

But what if we did it for the memes?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I mean I’m kind of fucking around but also dragging the day out is pointless

I think we should be aiming to get a claim out of someone within the next 3-4 days and to elim in the next 5-6

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

We can improve our win % by artificially acting as though the deadline is at 8 days and not 14

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Also, just a reminder: 8 days is the perfect length of day bar none and all games should be 8d/48h in format

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Uh, no it isn't. The more time we have to discuss the better.

What if I have actual empirical proof that this is untrue?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Or datisi can put it more concisely than me, that works too

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Shhhh, nobody needs to know that

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I can't say that scum is on this wagon but it feels way too smooth with these 3 consecutive votes here

Why are you more concerned about the latter end?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Also, dats, do you have experience with Ben?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

fwiw i think ben is fairly townie

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

also skitt tldr on me and Infinity reads would be grand

infinity feels like he's solving, and his takes are well-timed and i like them

your interaction/read on ico feels townie to me

~ skitteR

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sorry >.>

i saw that, was gonna answer it, and promptly got distracted and didn't

and no, i don't really. i townread a whole host of people but don't have too many scumreads rn.
mena has a few more than i do, but i don't necessarily agree with them (ex: ben)

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

my reads are something like:

Very Town: your truly - the towniest town to ever town, shining beacon of towniness, etc
Town: infinity, scipio, penguin
Nulltown: seCret hYdra, ben dover123, aaronfrost, dats
null/no idea: not mafia, implosion, schiavetto
scummy: isis

which is obviously problematic, but there you go

notsci i almost want to create a new tier for, between null and nulltown. g2h i'd put him in nulltown but he feels like he should be lower, yet somehow higher than null

~ skitter

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ya i'm gonna take the vote off of ben now, mena wanted it but i think his reaction has been townie

VOTE: isis

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

Notmaf who’s scum?

@skitter-I’ll take it. I think I mentioned I’m trying to play things out from a more null space anyways. What am I missing re:scipio?

Fwiw i don't actually know what ur scumgame looks like and for all i know this is it

Im still leaning town tho

R.e scipio - feels like newish town to me, very earnest. He keeps saying goos things with good timing

I can pull up a couple of posts in particular that i liked, but let me make a new post, i just switched to my phone

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

Spoiler:

Oh wait godfather isn’t even a thing in this setup, I was thinking of c9+++

Derpclear me now pls

The derpclear bit i find unlikely to come from scum

i have too little, tell me more

You feel more relaxed than I'd expect scum!you to be

Notsci pointed out what I was thinking (whether gypyx's energy is towny)

Gypyx is energetic and therefore towny

Scipio had a towny reaction to townslipping

Ben dover is new so being relaxed is a good sign

Implo probably has a good reason to TR penguin

Disagree with almost all of these but I think Infinity is likely town for this.

I liked infinity's takes too so i *really* like that scipio is townreading his takes despite disagreeing with them, feels like a townie approach to me

:thonk:

Is that how things work on this site?

This reaction to the quickhammer felt townie to me

Ok these are all kinda small things but i liked them

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

I'm a little curious to see how we're all kinda aligning to similar readslists and consensus, and that there isnt really much divisiveness on the poe

Sometimes that just means all scum are in the poe but sometimes that means one of the collective townreads is wrong. I'm not sure which way it is yet, more making an observation rn

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

Even though I disagree with his push on Isis I feel like Mena and I dont see eye to eye that often anyways?

Ooi, what’s this based on notsci?

[Bridgeburners]

Also @QB that question applies to you too.

I like wagons. You were a good one.

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

what happens if i

VOTE: aaronffrost

dayvig: datisi

[Bridgeburners]

infinity/scipio/datisi/pp/bridgeburners can be the townblock for today (ourselves included)

-seCret

STOP

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I would like to know what about the isis wagon feels evil and why, btw dats

Also, would like to know why it’s AFF?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I'm going to have to backread to decide how much I actually care about Bridgeburner's shitposting but earlier throwaway remarks aside, I'm not terribly impressed by it

to decide how much I actually care about Bridgeburner's shitposting but earlier throwaway remarks aside, I'm not terribly impressed by it

but earlier throwaway remarks aside, I'm not terribly impressed by it

I'm not terribly impressed by it

not terribly impressed by it

not terribly impressed by it

[Bridgeburners]

Hereby i present Random Assorted Thoughts on Recent Postings:

- i don't particularly like dats' take in 483 and 486

- i'm kinda liking notsci rn

- mena doesn't really like schiavetto's entrance but i'm kinda meh on it. don't love the timing of his aaron read

- isis i hope you're ok <3

- i'm not sure i, like, get the aaron thing that's picking up steam rn

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

implo would you mind reminding me why you're scumreading us again?
also why are you voting isis?

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

I just said why I'm voting isis.

The bottom tier isn't really scumreads, it's not-yet-townreads, I don't really have any good reasons to scumread anyone atm.

for the first bit - ig i'm not super following your explanation
for the second bit - fair enuf

Is Datisi like, a notably good scum player? Bc it seems like there's a decent amount of latent skepticism of him but I feel like he's been transparently town a couple times.

i actually don't think i've ever seen scum-dats first hand, so i have no idea

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

I...gave up a pagetop?

apparently >.>
you're off your game tonight!

i'm really not vibing this AFF thing

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

i wanna give townpoints for the youtube readslist lol

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

Hereby i present Random Assorted Thoughts on Recent
- mena doesn't really like schiavetto's entrance but i'm kinda meh on it. don't love the timing of his aaron read

If it's any consolation, I wanted to vote them in my earlier catchup post. Couldn't shake the feeling that it was maybe a bad idea to vote without having read the later half of the game though.

fwiw the bit in particular that mena didn't like was the fact that you came around to aaron-scum just when the wagon was heating up. i don't think he particularly minds that you didn't actualy lay a vote down just then, but rather that you made a point of scumreading him just as that wagon was becoming a thing

~ skitter

VOTE: isis
back here

[Bridgeburners]

@notsci:

so, uh, mena told me after he made that post that there wasn't, like, actually a lie read, he just said to see if anybody would react to it in an interesting way
(at this point i'm p sure everyone had the chance to see it and react (or not) so i don't think he'd mind me saying this)

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

i didn't post 192 (i also feel like that should be somewhat self-evident from the very next few posts)
and like i (i.e. my slot) stopped voting you because mena wanted to do something different. if it were just me i probably would have been on you this whole time. it's a little strange to me that that's your critique of my vote on you given that this is a hydra ...

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

eh idk if i'd say 'tempt' there
you feel super weird this game. any thoughts on htat?

[Bridgeburners]

~ skitter ^ sorry

[Bridgeburners]

eh for that not really <3

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

eh idk if i'd say 'tempt' there
you feel super weird this game. any thoughts on htat?

Mm. This is my first game since starting a new job that's pretty rigorous.

I feel like I wanted to approach this game less spamposty because PP and implo are in it and I don't think it's their style of game. Trying not to multipost when I usually would.

I think that's all I got

i hope your new job is going well <3

and, eh ok that could explain the weirdness i suppose
idk where to vote so i'll just let mena pick

UNVOTE:

[Bridgeburners]

VOTE: ISIS

E-2/NM E-1

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

-Probably going to keep most of this shallow for the sake of actually getting back into the thread. Contents of this post apply up through #173, which is where I last left off reading before checking out.

fwiw the bit in particular that mena didn't like was the fact that you came around to aaron-scum just when the wagon was heating up. i don't think he particularly minds that you didn't actualy lay a vote down just then, but rather that you made a point of scumreading him just as that wagon was becoming a thing

it seems like schiavetto had that read before they even know my wagon was a thing so that reasoning doesn't check out

Depends on whether the readslist was authentically done in catchup or was done knowing what the gamestate was

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

For instance, I’m caught up, but if I was scum there’s a reasonable chance I’d pretend I wasn’t so I could react to things ~organically~ as I posted on things of interest to me

And I think that’s a pretty normal thought process for scum to have, to try and make catchups look natural

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

you can tell mena that i do like schiavetti and if he wants to fight over it he can come out and play himself

Okay why?

I don’t disagree that schiavetto has been sort of charming so far but not in an AI way and to a degree I think that charming is glibness, which I see more as a scum trait

Happy to listen on why he’s town tho

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

bridge

Explain

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

i'd still like to know what this was/is about.

I thought it was fairly well known that I am against explicit discussion of townblocs/forming townblocs in almost a direct inverse proportion to how much I like actually having them

I guess apparently not so let me be clear: I am against explicit discussion of townblocs/forming townblocs in direct inverse proportion to how much I like having townblocs

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Datisi you feel kind of flat this game but I can’t put my finger on exactly what it is

To be clear, this is not a scumread from me it’s just that you seem hard for me to get a read on here and that’s continuing at this point whereas I was saying to skitt that I thought I would have a firmer take by later in D1 (she asked like the first irl day I think?) and that’s just not happening so far

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

not understanding a single thing bridge is saying rn lmao

I (the first person pronoun -- referring in this case to the player slot known as "bridge burners", specifically the Quick Ben head of the hydra) am (first person conjugation of the verb "to be") prepared (to be willing to) to write (verb -- to inscribe words using keyboard or pen that have meaning and allow communication with others) one (1) (number, used to signify quantity) haiku (a short poetic form generally consisting of a 5 syllable line, followed by a 7 syllable line, followed by a 5 syllable line, although these conventions can be broken when writing in English and not in the original Japanese) or (used to link two alternative options) one (1) (number again) limerick (a humorous poetic form with a rhyme pattern of AABBA, typically rather irreverent) for anyone (one of the two poetic options will be designed the person accepting my offer) who votes (who uses the code

Code: Select all

[vote][/vote]

to place a vote within this game of mafia, signifying who they would like to be eliminated today) scipio (another player in the game) rn (contraction; signifies "right now") so we (referring to the rest of the players in the game) can (to be able to) end (to finish, terminate) D1 (the first day of play in most mafia games and variants) in under (to be below a certain number) 10 (another number, signifying ten individual units of a thing) pages (25 posts on mafiascum(dot)net).

I hope this clears things up!

1 This is a style of humor people enjoy somewhat more often as scum

didn't tell the mod right away about her V/LA in Mini 2113 as town

If you like I can find you any one of a million towngames where skitt’s first post has been to greet people and to announce her VLA to the mod

C-

Hmm, did you actually roll scum this game isis?

2 This response has really bad "I'm scum but that's not why" vibes. The segmenting between "you're wrong" and "you're scum", from these being separate posts, is really troubling. As town the notions would be unified, as scum they'd be separated into steps. I don't actually have an elegant explanation why, I'm just remembering my own town and scum thought processes when I deal with getting pushed. Deciding to push back is a something to be chosen instead of felt.

[snip]

(1) this is just a very meh reason to give for scumreading us/me when I feel my sense of humour doesn’t change much regardless of alignment and I’m pretty sure Isis has played with me enough that I wouldn’t expect her to push an angle along these lines if town

(2) it’s literally just my thought process? Like maybe I post more than I should as soon as one thought is complete

But that was the first thing that struck me as bizarr-o regarding 175 — I then looked at it overall again and was like “oh, this is a pretty bad post in general huh? Maybe isis is scum” and made the follow up

So this feels like a very dubious take where you’re at best extrapolating from how you!scum would approach the game and not thinking about how mena!scum approaches a game

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I’m happy for you to try to case us on the back of voting pattern if you think you can make it stick I just think you won’t be able to!

And the reason we’re voting you is because skitter said to vote who I wanted and you’re still the person who I most want to see eliminated today

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Ideally soon, so can we get an intent and a claim?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

heya, i'm around for a bit and catching up now

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

UNVOTE:
i'm not really vibing scum-isis naymore

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

I think more people should read people on a curve, people SR limbait for being limbait a decent amount

^^^

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

VOTE: dats

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

the vote is from both of us, incidentally

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Can either of you elaborate more on your aaron read?

loosely +town. i'm not really sure i see the IIOA that people are complaining about, and he has had a couple of well-timed takes that i liked. like not super strongly but not enough to really like the wagon or want to vote there if that makes sense

to be fair, now thati write this out, i realize that my read on AFF may be more about how other people are playing around him (i.e. how the wagon is forming and how people are scumreading him) than how he is playing himself, if that makes sense

~

I would like to hear from skitter if she has specific reasons for voting him or if she's just shopping around.

i would like to pass on this for the moment, but will circle back

~

UNVOTE:
i'm not really vibing scum-isis naymore

~ skitter

does anyone just want to eliminate the scum hydra for not even pretending to maintain a read progression

skitter was supposed to "not be vibing scum isis anymore" during her last post either, Mena is the one who revoted

this is absurd

well, when you posted after mena revoted you and before i posted 726, your posting looked even more townie to me, so i took the vote off again because when i said 'mena can vote wherever' i wasn't expecting him to vote you
i will endeavor to try to be more consensus-y with mena before posting votes

also i think this is town ^
you feel a little too ~prickly~ rn to be mafia if that makes sense

also wrt your dats scumread post: like ig i see where you're coming from but i don't know if i agree with the conclusion (i.e. i'm not sure if the things you listed are actually scum-indicative) but i think that the thought process *you* had in that post is townie, and i'm not sure i agree with you that the post is inherently super +town if i don't ascribe to your reasons for scumreading it either

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

dats i feel like i don't have such a good read on u and i kinda want to sort u

i agree with u that implo is being somewhat scummy. except i'm like historically dead-awful at reading him and i think he was scum in nearly every game i played with him and i always townread him so maybe thinking he's scummy means he's town? idk

~

isis i didn't realize you had such a ~thing~ against hydras and i'm going to endeavor to make a distinct effort to minimize the dissonance. wasn't trying to be annoying, and want to try to not be
<3

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

dats i feel like i don't have such a good read on u and i kinda want to sort u

ok
what is it that you want / need from me here
and also why do you think naked voting is like, gonna help you here

(i am also specifically still interested in mena's reasons for that vote)

i don't know!!!! i feel like having some sort of dialogue with you would help, and was kinda hoping that by voting you you'd go: 'omg skitter why are you voting me' and then we could have a nice convo about idk something that would give me more to sort you with than i currently have

i feel like a lot of what you're doing is just kinda NAI? Or at least i don't see the obvtowniness that everyone is citing and like i feel like a lot of what you're doing can be said/posted by scum-you?

do you think you ought to be townread here as much as you have been?

i'm also not really sure i follow your 'evil vibes from isis wagon' -> aaron vote -> isis vote

or why you were scumreading aaron in the first place

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

dats i'm responding to your 766 here

i'm not trying to make you react in any particular way, was just kinda hoping that it would spark a dialogue so that we could talk and i could sort u cuz i feel like we haven't interacted super much particularly in this game

do you think i/my slot ought to be townreading you yet? cuz like i feel like that's been bandied about quite a bit thus far and i'm just not quite seeing it yet

and ig you're kinda the progenitor of htis whole 'aaron is scum for doing iioa' thing and i'm not really sure i see that read? like ig if you're looking to vote him you can characterize his posts as such but like i'm not really sure that's what's behind his votes

ty for explaining the isis -> aaron thing tho, i appreciate it, and it helped me see wht you were thinking around then
but ig i kinda disliked the timing of your isis vote - it felt a bit like you decided it was time to help the wagon along, if that makes sense, once it kinda stalled out. like it was a weird time to hop on just then. and like i see your explanation and i can see it being plausible, but at the very same time it just doesn't feel 100% real to me? i'm not sure how much that makes sense but i'm like trying to articulate what i'm feeling/vibing rn and i'm not sure how good of a job i'm doing

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

This is the first post this game that’s made me say “ oh yeah, that’s what skitters town game looks like”.

Is there a reason that took so long? I know you’re also good as scum so I don’t really know what to make of it.

uh idk beyond 'i was really busy last week and was only giving like a half a thought to this game'
not sure why that post in particular made you see town-me tho

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

@ implo:

~ your early game penguin read felt kinda weird, almost like that interaction wasn't tvt (105 and 109)

~ your earlygame dats townread was also fairly bizarre and felt like it came too early to me? like this is one of the 'dats is town' reads that seem fairly prevalent and i just ... don't get why 112

~ similarly, 172, although abt ben, feels like it's oriented towards dats almost? like you're trying to get on dats' side in that conflict? idk felt weird

~ mena didn't particularly like that you called our slot scum but was fine waiting to resolve this read via waiting to see if we died or not. tbf this i didn't really mind.

~ you shaded the aff-scum thing when that was a thing, but without like really commiting to it

~ putting both us and isis on your bottom tier of your readlist was, like, a take, ig. that didn't make much sense to me

~ again with the strong town on dats that feels kinda unwarranted 521

~ and then you were promoting the isis wagon well after it stopped being a particularly viable thing, and like, i don't get the timing

and like i'm not sure that that all adds up to scum-implo but i keep going hmmmmmm??????? and like i don't have happy-feel-good-vibes because i don't super get how you're approaching this game really

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

i mean i only did cuz implo asked me too

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

and i'm not sure i agree with the scumcase either, that's my problem

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

i have no clue about you because i don't know how skitter machine works
i can understand mena not yet explicitly townreading me here but i also don't think he should be voting me which is partly why i'm interested for him to get on the phone here (is that the expression? you know what i mean)

i mean like, that's partly why i voted him. if you don't agree with that read/conclusion, fine, but i'm not sure i get what you're trying to ask me here? like the way the second sentence is formed makes me think that you're asking *me* for explanation of other people's votes on him?

i think i get why you think the timing was weird
like as soon as i saw those posts from isis on me, i wanted to vote her, but she was on 5 votes, and i cannot just put someone to 6 votes in a n_m game, but i also didn't wanna give intent yet because i wanted to see her response to me first
so after aaron unvoted, i could then vote her without putting her in lolhammer range

for the second sentence: i'm not asking u for an explanation per se so much as i'm acknowledging a trend that i don't really agree with that you seem to have started more and i'm not sure why that trend is, like, a thing really

and ya ig that explains the timing a bit; i didn't get why u voted isis when u did
i feel like i have sufficiently sorted you, and would like to proclaim that i think u are somewhat townie
(not, like, as obvtown as multiple people are claiming you are, but enuf that i don't think i need to vote you anymore)

VOTE: implo
more of a sorting vote etc than a scumreading vote necessarily

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

the explanation of the timing for the isis vote
i don't know why that did it, but that bit and how you said it felt townie to me

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

i can understand mena not yet explicitly townreading me here but i also don't think he should be voting me which is partly why i'm interested for him to get on the phone here (is that the expression? you know what i mean)

Hi

It’s pretty simple: (1) skitt and I are making an effort to kind of be more consensus-y or at least co-ordinated so as to cut down on hydra dissonance for y’all. So when she wanted to vote you to sort you, I was on board with that and (2) the reason I was on board is because while I don’t scumread you, i also don’t really townread you and I thought I would be by now? So the thing of trying to get you to engage with our slot more via vote seemed like a good idea?

Also, to preempt what I think is a likely question: I’m not sure how I feel about your engagement with skitt so far. I still sort of think Ben is scummy and think you’re rather unlikely to be scum together, so in any case where I was seriously considering it I’d probably rather do him first unless something changes

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

xk

Pls no

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

We have discussed this at some length in our PT and we believe rather strongly that if there is a vig then they should shoot NM tonight, and if there isn’t, and we die, then it’s probably overall worth it to burn a policy elim on NM tomorrow

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I think I want to come back to this:

VOTE: ben dover

Also I really think we should be trying to get a wagon going seriously at this point so we have time to discuss a claim if there is one

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

We think that if Ben is scum then datisi is very likely not scum, and that implo’s scum equity goes down

Given that these slots that we’re uncomfortable with are in something of a dichotomy with someone else that I don’t feel good about (and I think skitt is unsure but happy to add pressure here/potentially elim here) this seems optimal

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I guess this is fair because I still don't really feel like I have a good foothold. I'm kind of finding that I've forgotten how to play almost? Like I just am having a harder time than I remember having forming reads that I feel good about. I don't know if that's actually a function of this game being kind of impregnable, I think it's probably a combination of the game and me not having played in like a year. I'm finding myself annoyingly swayed by things, like I feel like I can't find a scumread where there's not some reason to townread them. And it's not really for lack of trying at this point either.

thanks implo, i appreciate you saying explaining this
i'm not sure how much it, like, particularly helped the 'HMMMMMM????????' vibes but i appreciate that you tried to explain

i know that this isn't a particularly helpful response to what you wrote but that's kinda how i felt upon reading it anyways

~

pedit: lol @isis ico is town

*the head trying to make you think it's Ico is town would be a better statement, and it's true

this is a secret hydra after all

-seCret

lol

~

Bridge
Isis
notsci

hmmm - why are we your strongest tr?

~

I think I want to come back to this:

VOTE: ben dover

Also I really think we should be trying to get a wagon going seriously at this point so we have time to discuss a claim if there is one

-QB

i support this product and/or service

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

We have discussed this at some length in our PT and we believe rather strongly that if there is a vig then they should shoot NM tonight, and if there isn’t, and we die, then it’s probably overall worth it to burn a policy elim on NM tomorrow

-QB

This prompted me to check the setup to see if you were being a baddie because scum protectives

finding 1: there is a scum protective

finding 2: wtf I should not have signed up for this game

Oh, I forgot the bus driver

I’m not sure what the odds of that actually are though, because while it’s only 2 setups out of 8, the most likely setups to roll are 3PR or 4PR which are the two setups without bus driver

So given that I’m not sure what the odds actually are

If we can’t guarantee that the vig (if there is one) should be shooting NM then there probably is a case for doing NM today

Skitter and I will talk more in PT

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

The case is the slot is never going to improve and if scum needs to be elimmed (which will never be easier because there will never be content) and if town and allowed to just continue to coast by while everyone pursued their own hot button scumreads, will be allowed to make it to lylo and is a game losing slot there if town

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Why is it wrong?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Like, what’s your proposal for dealing with that slot then? I don’t really care if it’s “lazy” or not if it’s good play

If it needs to be done, what is the point in waiting?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I don’t think that changes things massively? Like yes we have a vig... but the best objective vig shot is (if not before my post last page then certainly be now) obviously N_M, which means there’s a real risk in a vig shooting there just giving scum a double kill.

If the slot is still alive tomorrow, I think it’s more likely to be harder and not less hard to elim it because after one missed elim I think people start to feel the pressure more (especially when as a worse case scenario it could be the day before lylo or mylo tomorrow) to try and elim scum rather than removing ambiguity and making it less of a coin flip for the final day

Like the problem is the slot is not gonna be resolvable by anything other than a flip in this setup, and the closer it gets to lylo the less will there will be to do that, and the less will there is the greater the risk of losing the game because N_M was allowed to go to lylo instead of being policy limmed as he should have been

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I’m not planning to obsessively tunnel this, and skitter, I know, wants to let it play out a bit longer

But I think there are significant risks to not just limming the slot while that’s within our power

I guess I figure the following scenarios:

(1) N_M flip where N_M!scum — average result, basically fine but not outstanding

(2) N_M flip where N_M!town — frustrating and means essentially playing with a handicap, but that hand was dealt when N_M signed up and decided not to play, but reduces variance in lategame stages

(3) other flip where other!scum — the best possible outcome, maybe N_M gets vigged at night or if not then can be policy elimmed and that info added to the scumflip D1

(4) other flip where other!town — worst possible outcome imo, you still have the liability slot around, you have no particularly revealing info from a scumflip, and it’s likely players become more entrenched about flipping scum rather than coming together successfully for a policy elim (esp if scum resist the elim, which they might if they want to conserve the slot for lylo)

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

If I felt like ~really good~ about another slot flipping scum, I probably would want that the most to go for “best possible scenario”. But I don’t have that certainty atm, and I don’t think skitt has anyone she’s like ~super confident~ will be flipping scum either, which makes me wanna go for the “reduce variance” play

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I feel like in the games where N_M has done anything he’s been that way from fairly early on and I don’t have any faith in him to improve from where he’s at now. Is it theoretically possible? Sure. Might I also see a pig that’s been genetically engineered to have wings cruising past my window tomorrow morning? Also theoretically possible!

If NM is PR that would still require him using the PR usefully and not trolling. Like I think if NM vig and doesn’t get elimmed today the game was probably just lost at rand *shrug*

So I don’t think (2) is wrong

I guess you have something of a point about (4) but not beyond the generic “any flip gives info” nature of it. Which is true, but I do think scumslots flipping tend to bust the game open in a way townflips rarely do, beyond forcing reconsideration of the gamestate if it’s a slot that was universally scumread that turns out to be a townie.

Like I also can’t be bothered to bicker of it, and while I wait for the better half of this hydra to get back with her thoughts we’re staying on Ben and that’s our official line on where we want to go

I’m just noting on a personal level that I think there is also a good and strong case for simply elimming N_M today, and removing the headache for future days

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

That’s fine, I’ve said my piece on the topic and she’ll be around when she can be

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

skitter why haven't you posted about not_mafia?

idk, what are you expecting me to say about nm?
~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

If NM is PR that would still require him using the PR usefully and not trolling.

tbf i don't think he takes troll pr shots

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

I just want to hear that you agree with mena.

we're still like bickering abt it (tm) in the hydra pt but i feel fairly similarly to you - feels like a bit of a waste of day

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

well that's a take ig

just me and mena have been talking abt this, at great length

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

hmmm - why are we your strongest tr?

@scipio

[Bridgeburners]

I don’t think I’ve been avoiding talking to you?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Wait, I did? I don’t remember you asking at all

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I missed one post! And just, like... I just don’t have strong feelings on it? It didn’t feel super AI for you?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Nah, like I’m unsure what I think of it

And I think you’re mixing up our heads?

Skitt wanted to vote you to get you to engage with us more — I supported the vote because I wasn’t really townreading you by that point and I sort of thought I would be. But I never was happy to just kind of continue to observe you and what you were doing, while skitt wanted you to have interactions with us *specifically*

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Interesting, why?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

So the thing of trying to get you to engage with our slot more via vote seemed like a good idea?

i thought you were more enthusiastic about getting me to engage w you, but upon looking skimming through your iso for 1.5 minutes, this is the only thing i was able to find from you specifically, so eh

did you accidentally write that "never" in 981?

am i still just a confused null to you? is there anything that i can do to help you sort me?

nah sorry, I haven't wanted to force it and I just think we haven't overlapped that much or had that much to say

also, tbh, sorting you can be kind of a headache so I was hoping you would just ~be town~ and then I could engage with you after I was already happy with the read

I did accidentally write that and had to reread the post at least 3 times to actually find it as my brain kept skipping over it

and you're like -- you're not exactly null in the sense of I don't think you've done AI things, you're like a conflicted slot, would be better? like I could see your play coming from town but also from scum? if AFF or ben is scum, I would say probably less likely to be scum, but if they're both town then I think you look a lot worse

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

let's flip ben anyway

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

keep up AFF, we already have a claim

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

let's flip ben anyway

-QB

what

what?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

y

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Make me

also, flirting with me will get you nowhere AFF, I am immune to your charms

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

why is everyone freaking out over a tracker claim

it's not a confirmable claim and ben is still scummy lol

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

why does that claim resolve itself when scum have literally a multitude of fakeclaims to give even if ben were to track one successfully

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

why were you voting ben if u weren't that confident in scum!him, AFF?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

QB why do you still want to elim ben regardless of the claim?

Because I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. I’ve seen scumbags live to lylo off the shoulder of bad fakeclaims. I watched town lim themselves in a fury off the Tannhäuser gate. And if we die N1 all those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

why's ben scum?

(1) didn’t really like his response to the wagon on him (specifically the stuff that was like “whoah, that’s quite a wagon to have sprung up on me so quickly! Particularly didn’t like the last two votes — but it could be all town! Not saying anyone on me is scum yet!”)

(2) his posting is tickling my null!scum vibe sensor — he’s been here and has said ~stuff~ but it feels like there’s not a lot of depth to his posts/thoughts

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Make me

also, flirting with me will get you nowhere AFF, I am immune to your charms

-QB

i'll get through to you some day

That’s what they all say *chuckles rakishly*

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Because now scum are either forced to try and kill him or risk him getting results that can benefit the town and I feel in most scenarios ben just dies. I suppose that argument is pretty wifomy though.

Nah bc why would you kill someone who’s broadly susp and can die from elim when they can’t hard guilty you anyway? The potential for lots of PRs means even if he was on scum and tracked they always have viable explanations

And correspondingly, there’s a decent chance that he just tracks a doc or something and thereby actually outs extra info to scum

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Muahaha, just like I planned, I get to push the PR as a lim option AND get towncred for it

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I actually kind of felt the opposite about his reaction initally (assuming you're talking about the first wagon). I think I particularly liked 431 when he said he didn't want to call anyone on the wagon scum because he had no evidence of that being the case. I think if he were scum there would've been some attempt to push the vote elsewhere, maybe onto one of the wagon hoppers.

I am talking about that, yeah. Idk I just think it’s a really weird reaction to have as town to see yourself at 5 (and practically at 6, if scipio hadn’t jumped off (which, btw, I’m inclined to say is basically a scumclaim if Ben!scum)) votes and be like “huh yeah reserving judgement this could be all town) when I think the far more natural thing is to assume that scum is involved in your wagon somehow if it’s that large — not being sure where, fine. You don’t know if they started it or sheeped on. But to not have your mind going scum are taking advantage of me somehow is just... real weird, and I think missing the paranoia element that most people have as town. And I think that lack of paranoia about it is almost tmi? Like of course it’s harder to fake paranoia about your wagon if it is all town lol

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

fwiw i disagree with mena and don't want to flip ben

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

Shirou replaces notscience!

hello!

random thought: i do not townread sechyd
i've had this thought for a while, but i kept forgetting to say it

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

hmmm - why are we your strongest tr?

@scipio

maybe third time's the charm ....

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

fwiw i disagree with mena and don't want to flip ben

~ skitter

Who do you want to flip?

i don't know rn

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

also i don't remember if i said this or not but implo feels like a viable ben partner

~ skitter

welp

thanks scipio

~ skitter30

[Bridgeburners]

Shirou replaces notscience!

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I briefly got confused by capitalisation and the lack thereof and thought that sechyd was meant to be pronounced “seh-chee-dee” and that it was somehow a riff on schiavetto’s name and that we could wagon there instead

-QB