Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

[Meuh]

Goooooooooooooooooooood evening!

Nice to see you playing here, Fruit!

VOTE: Beat

Both of these other wagons are scum driven...

[Meuh]

Nice to see you playing here, Fruit!

what's your experience with Fruit - how many games have you played together, are they an easy read? they're one of the only names I don't recognize on this playerlist.

Makes sense, I think this is his first game here!
We've played together a few times, though in a widely different format (on Discord). Same community I met Marci in
I don't think we've played together in over a year though? Can't say I remember his meta that much... I'd read back on old games but I don't have access to them.
Marci would probably have a better answer, I think she's played with him more recently and more frequently.

[Meuh]

VOTE: the worst
Looks like his scum meta.

TMI

[Meuh]

I just wanna say this plist makes me happy

VOTE: Guiltylion

Pav! Nice to play with you again, hopefully you're town this time

[Meuh]

sounds like something scum would say..

so true Marci

[Meuh]

I trust everyone. does that make me scum.

Duck that avatar doesn't even look like a duck, this is unacceptable

don't you think my cat is cute?

Honestly a cat wasn't even in my top 50 guesses for what it was

Now that you mention it I do see it though, I love it

[Meuh]

I trust everyone. does that make me scum.

Duck that avatar doesn't even look like a duck, this is unacceptable

don't you think my cat is cute?

I was gonna say that cat is clearly The Worst but I decided not to embarrass myself

Also I figured out its head is turned sideways

But I feel like I had to work too hard for it

I'd vote you but I'm over here trying to make GL sweat

That sounds like a fun thing to be a part of VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Meuh]

I was under the impression it was 2 crows tbh...

[Meuh]

I trust everyone. does that make me scum.

Duck that avatar doesn't even look like a duck, this is unacceptable

don't you think my cat is cute?

Honestly a cat wasn't even in my top 50 guesses for what it was

Now that you mention it I do see it though, I love it

what did you think it was??


pedit: I'm enjoying your energy it's a vibey take

Yay
I want to push you hard again this game so I'm not gonna take a stance on you as of yet

[Meuh]

are you scum again meuh

I would never roll scum nor have I ever done so in the past...

[Meuh]

GL/Titus/Gamma

Here you go

[Meuh]

63 doesnt really look like an rvs post tho

I thought it was just a joke for an rvs?

[Meuh]

GL/Titus/Gamma

Here you go

why r u copying my titus read :sus:

We just both have great reads
I’ve only played with scum!Titus and while also scum; which will probably make reading her weird tbh

[Meuh]

Skitter start the wagon with me

There's already like 4 votes on me, including skitter

I unvoted you smh smh
Do you want me to put it back?

[Meuh]

Skitter has some good vibes so far, townread there!

[Meuh]

Idk I think I want something spicier to happen

This post is kinda good

Also pagetop wooooo

[Meuh]

marci hard town

can you talk me through your marci = hard town read?

Very at home in the town. You'd expect to find scum either sticking out or trying to fit in rather than naturally ditting in.

Unless Cakez is deliberatly faking so I think scum would be more likely to identify the gamestate. Cakez most likely green then

I kind of like these posts from Beat tbh. Not feeling too strongly overall, though.

As for the joke stuff, Beat’s 63 is similar to things I post sometimes, drawing exaggerated conclusions out of minor or NAI things, especially during RVS. I don’t really find it scummy.

[Meuh]

ok someone tell me if this is stupid

let's say I believe Player X is a dirty scumbag.

Do I then pretend that I am townreading Player X and bat my eyes at him and flirt with him so he thinks I am not onto him and then when it's time to win by eliminating mafia members I pounce on him like a tiger RAWR!

Well, i think we just try to flip scum today/tomorrow - if we do on both days we just auto-win
And if we don't, i'm not sure how it benefits you for X to think you're townreading him. But its possible i'm missing something

I think we should be trying to get scum today and if we hit scum we should try to auto-win.
I think there might be a case for purposely not limming scum day 2 if we don't hit scum today though?
Like 5 conf towns is nice (though one probably immediately dies right?), but that's less scum around afterwards and less scum needing to escape to win the game.
Either way for now I think we should be trying to lim scum (and even if not, we should still be scumhunting)

[Meuh]

I still have not read the setup and just want to vote mafia and apparently that's at least a decent angle and I feel willing to assume playing a vanilla nightless strategy tends to win the most from leashing behavior ruining dayplay anyways

This post is good!
Isis feels solvey so vibes = good

[Meuh]

GL/Titus/Gamma

Here you go

I like your vibes Meuh but this is weird and I'm curious how serious it is

I feel pretty much neut about Titus and Gamma.
GL's intro feels a bit weird honestly? Just a bit off and I want to poke there.

[Meuh]

Skitter start the wagon with me

This post is slight townvibes imo but the rest of Cakez' iso doesn't really ping me in any way.

Also pagetop!!!

[Meuh]

I find it funny that the people who are V/LA have some of highest post counts rn

[Meuh]

63 doesnt really look like an rvs post tho

I thought it was just a joke for an rvs?

63 doesnt really look like an rvs post tho

I thought it was just a joke for an rvs?

I mean maybe, but it doesnt read as a an rvs joke, it reads like shading gamma, esp. since i dont think gamma's post really looks anything like pocketing

Beat is probably the closest thing i have to a real scumread tbh

Skitter has some good vibes so far, townread there!

Meuh can you explain why you're townreading skitter

she's really tricky as scum and it seems to me like you disagree with her about Beat (I didn't quote the post on the next page where you say why you're townreading Beat) so what it is specifically that gave you "good vibes"?

Never played with her before so idk her meta. She seems proactive but not really in a performative way if that makes any sense? Feels like she’s being genuine because of that.
Not quoted in your post is 44 which is the root of my read there, it feels pretty good.

[Meuh]

These posts are so over the top that it just reads to me like Isis is trying to replicate her town meta

similar vein as what I just posted - why do you think scum!Isis would be so over the top you could catch her off of it just 4-5 pages into the game? doesn't that seem unlikely?

This post sucks

[Meuh]

Are you really genuinely asking that, GL?

[Meuh]

These posts are so over the top that it just reads to me like Isis is trying to replicate her town meta

similar vein as what I just posted - why do you think scum!Isis would be so over the top you could catch her off of it just 4-5 pages into the game? doesn't that seem unlikely?

This post sucks

am I wrong to think Isis is not going to obvscum on page 5?

especially because Cakez argument is just "she's trying to replicate her town meta", which is always a shit reason to scumread someone because usually

it's just actually their town meta

I think your question was bad, even if you disagree with Cakez

[Meuh]

what do you not like about the question

I think Cakez vote is either lazy or scummy and I am probing him to dig into which it is

I think the angle you’re aiming at with saying Isis wouldn’t obvscum on page 5 shuts down the discussion and isn’t an actual attempt to get more out of Cakez
It’s more a gotcha and shade than actual questioning

[Meuh]

similar vein as what I just posted - why do you think scum!Isis would be so over the top you could catch her off of it just 4-5 pages into the game? doesn't that seem unlikely?

to be clear, you think this post is shutting down discussion?

how does it shut down discussion to say I don't think Isis is an easy obvscum

if he disagrees he's welcome to explain why

this isn't even a gotcha? like what

Okay yeah gotcha wasn’t the right term.

To me, the reason it felt like shutting down discussion is that I think your post implied the concept of scumreading Isis this early is somehow impossible or unreasonable to do.
You weren’t questioning the reasoning behind the read, you weren’t taking a stance regarding that read.
It was just “hey, do you reaaaaally think you can catch Isis that early? Is that reaaaally reasonable?”
and I don’t think that’s a question a townie asks to make the game progress; so I don’t think it was asked in good faith.

[Meuh]

it makes me wonder what her purpose was in probing you about Beat, it wasn't to change your mind since she dropped it afterwards, and I guess I don't see how it would really have helped her sort you either. no pressure, no clear re-evaluation on her end

Since when did I probe Skitter on Beat?
I'll be real, I don't really care about the Beat push.
I posted 79 because to me Skitter was pretty clearly wrong about the intent behind Beat's vote.
102 was because I was prompted to look into Beat. A few things slightly pinged me town there
I think you're overestimating how involved I ever was with that push, it's just kinda there for me

[Meuh]

like, Meuh says she thinks Beat is town, thinks you're town and has no issue with your push on Beat

says she thinks Isis is town, has no issue with Cakez vote on Isis and actually grills me for calling it out

this is the behavior I'm pointing to when I say Meuh is looking more to make buddies than find scum, usually townies are at least somewhat suspicious of people voting and casing their townreads

I play this game from the basic standpoint of everyone being a well-intentioned VT. I also tend to townhunt more than scumhunt, and that works out better for me. I'm not particularly interested in changing that. It's fair to be weary of though, especially considering the setup tbh.

The vote from Cakez I haven't given much thought to. I just saw your post and immediately alarms were ringing in my heads, so I felt the need to call it out.

[Meuh]

I posted 79 because to me Skitter was pretty clearly wrong about the intent behind Beat's vote.

I guess maybe the thing I really want to ask here is - do you think Skitter being wrong about the intent of Beat's vote is town-indicative, or just completely NAI? What felt off to me the way you posted 79 and Skitter disagreed with you and reaffirmed she scumread Beat yet you then landed on a townread, I didn't understand the thought process of how that question and her answer lead to your read. But if 79 for you was nothing beyond clarifying a misconception then I might have less of an issue with it

I kind of doubt someone would purposely misinterpret a pretty clear memey vote to drive an agenda, tbh. I don't think it was purposeful so I just think it's NAI.
So yeah my intent with the post was just to clear that up, not defend Beat. I only really got the town-lean on Beat after looking into them from being prompted by Skitter. None of Beat's posts really stuck to me beforehand. Whether Skitter townreads Beat or not doesn't really matter to me when reading Skitter.

[Meuh]

isis posts too much words but ends up saying nothing of value most of the time, but the rare post where theres value I like so isis town question mark?

meuh, i cant explain it.. like her posts dont really look bad at a glance... but something deep down is telling me we've got to be wary about her.

excuse me rude this was gonna be my secret twist read
I think GL's vote isn't one I will be following rn but it was a good vote

why not follow?

[Meuh]

stop? but I'm just sheeping you?

I thought you were a cat?

[Meuh]

Meuh is my only real scumread and I don't like Cake's vote. waffley on Beat I could see her either way but I didn't like that one post I called out. There's also a few slots who haven't done anything at all that I need to get a read on

...

VOTE: Meuh

also, you can have a vote for lawyering on behalf of Cakez before he even answered my question

combined with your skitter and beat townreads, feels like you're trying to make buddies more than hunt scum

these reasons are the trashy, i feel like you as town would remember the time we both miselimated meuh and be more cautious about how you read her. i feel like ur the type of person to always try to see the two diff sides to things before committing to something, but wheres the weighing out both options here..?
now, im not sure if that exact game shes played "making buddies more than hunting" but i do remember i called her out for the "making friends more than hunting" reason in a different game without you and wound up being wrong so :shrug:

whats ur actual reason..? do u think she'll be an easy miselim..? is that why...?

I wonder if GL has an aversion to the way I play, considering how much he talked about me in 2268... (viewtopic.php?t=89094&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go)
Like wow that scumread was intense and he mentioned me every other post, I feel bad for past me

But also that's an easy cop out for a faulty scumread with poor reasoning, so I probably shouldn't give it too much weight

[Meuh]

I am joining the Marci is Town crew after 233

We should make some t-shirts

count me in

also for 235, very natural Marci moment

[Meuh]

Meuh is my only real scumread and I don't like Cake's vote. waffley on Beat I could see her either way but I didn't like that one post I called out. There's also a few slots who haven't done anything at all that I need to get a read on

...

VOTE: Meuh

also, you can have a vote for lawyering on behalf of Cakez before he even answered my question

combined with your skitter and beat townreads, feels like you're trying to make buddies more than hunt scum

these reasons are the trashy, i feel like you as town would remember the time we both miselimated meuh and be more cautious about how you read her. i feel like ur the type of person to always try to see the two diff sides to things before committing to something, but wheres the weighing out both options here..?
now, im not sure if that exact game shes played "making buddies more than hunting" but i do remember i called her out for the "making friends more than hunting" reason in a different game without you and wound up being wrong so :shrug:

whats ur actual reason..? do u think she'll be an easy miselim..? is that why...?

I wonder if GL has an aversion to the way I play, considering how much he talked about me in 2268... (viewtopic.php?t=89094&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go)
Like wow that scumread was intense and he mentioned me every other post, I feel bad for past me

But also that's an easy cop out for a faulty scumread with poor reasoning, so I probably shouldn't give it too much weight

...

did you forget about having this game before i pointed it out?

Nah but I hadn't checked it, I remembered GL voting me but I forgot how adamant he was about it all

[Meuh]

I am joining the Marci is Town crew after 233

We should make some t-shirts

Spoiler:

[Meuh]

Meuh is my only real scumread and I don't like Cake's vote. waffley on Beat I could see her either way but I didn't like that one post I called out. There's also a few slots who haven't done anything at all that I need to get a read on

...

VOTE: Meuh

also, you can have a vote for lawyering on behalf of Cakez before he even answered my question

combined with your skitter and beat townreads, feels like you're trying to make buddies more than hunt scum

these reasons are the trashy, i feel like you as town would remember the time we both miselimated meuh and be more cautious about how you read her. i feel like ur the type of person to always try to see the two diff sides to things before committing to something, but wheres the weighing out both options here..?
now, im not sure if that exact game shes played "making buddies more than hunting" but i do remember i called her out for the "making friends more than hunting" reason in a different game without you and wound up being wrong so :shrug:

whats ur actual reason..? do u think she'll be an easy miselim..? is that why...?

I wonder if GL has an aversion to the way I play, considering how much he talked about me in 2268... (viewtopic.php?t=89094&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go)
Like wow that scumread was intense and he mentioned me every other post, I feel bad for past me

But also that's an easy cop out for a faulty scumread with poor reasoning, so I probably shouldn't give it too much weight

You don't think he's being genuine?

I think he's scum. He generally doesn't seem genuine or well-intentioned. Though your question seems like it's in response to my post but idk what specifically you're responding to

[Meuh]

perhaps jokey is a bad word choice

I mean "casual"

Smart casual or business casual?

[Meuh]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Not engaging with my response to GL’s argument at all, not asking me any questions to try sorting me, just echoing what’s already been said.
You have more experience playing with me (and a more accurate history of reading me) than GL and you’ve already seen Marci’s D1 tonal reads on me be very wrong.
The fact you’re willing to just go along with this push and rely on Marci/GL would be more understandable if we had never played together.
But here, I think it’s pretty telling.

[Meuh]

Nah but I hadn't checked it, I remembered GL voting me but I forgot how adamant he was about it all

who tf did u think pushed the wagon then :person_standing:

anyways the reason i asked is because the vibes i got werent the tasiest, it felt like you were trying to hop on the chance of the "minidefense" i did of you, and twist it into a bigger advantage than it already was.

How would I benefit from that? In my post I mentioned that GL tunnelling me that hard might mean it’s a general aversion to the way I play. (Therefore making him being a townie more likely) wouldn’t that be counter-intuitive?
I’m not sure in what way you thought I was hopping onto it? I’m a bit confused tbh

[Meuh]

I think the gamma case might be more pink than red. The weird thing about it is that meuh's point sounds very based in meta and could be a strong taking of the lay of the land of all that math is correct, but everyone is willing to me too the wagon and surely not all of them played the same game.
I guess this is a two scum game so "this person doesn't seem to have partners in the aggregate" is weaker

I have no clue what this post is saying, like at all

[Meuh]

Mechanics

:

• The first two nights are skipped.
  
• Day 1 and Day 2, if a member of the Mafia is eliminated, they must confirm 5 living players to be aligned with the town.
  • This will result in their loss if Mafia are eliminated both Day 1 and Day 2.
• Starting from Day 3, the Mafia will begin escaping.
  • Each night, in addition to a mandatory kill, one of the Mafia must choose to escape, and will exit the game being revealed to be Mafia.
    
  • At this point, if just one of the Mafia is eliminated, the Mafia loses.
    
  • The Mafia win when all living members escape.
• If no Mafia were eliminated Day 1 or Day 2, one member of the mafia will escape immediately following the end of Day 2.

[Meuh]

I don’t

[Meuh]

VOTE: Pavowski
Let’s see

[Meuh]

I’ll explain my vote on Pav later, I don’t want to rn

[Meuh]

I really like the vibes on this boat it feels like we're at a party with fancy sundresses and little sandwiches they serve on those fancy multi-tiered tray things.

It's nice.

I want to town read Isis because she sounds like she has a very good sense of fashion.

Isis is 100% the most fashionable person here, agreed

Mmm and now I wanna put on a sundress and eat sandwiches…
No one can stop me I’m doing it rn

[Meuh]

No one can stop me I’m doing it rn

Those sandwiches were good and the sundress is comfy. Less glamorous than the mental image of it but a pleasant experience. Recommend you all to try it!

[Meuh]

meuh

Marci

[Meuh]

i wanna look like a princess in my sundress

Omg yes do it Marci

[Meuh]

help me find one omg <3

You’d look so good in this one…

Spoiler:

https://www.amazon.com/WOOSEN-Spaghetti ... RydWU&th=1

(why is the link so long )

Exactly your vibe!! The leopard + rainbow combo is soooo you and it’s 21% off!!! Great deal!!

[Meuh]

Omg yes I wanna do that, sundress avis sound 10/10

[Meuh]

MEUH NOO I LAUGHED

SHOULD I ACTUALLY....

NOOO I DON’T WANNA MAKE YOU SPEND MONEY

[Meuh]

MEUH NOO I LAUGHED

SHOULD I ACTUALLY....

NOOO I DON’T WANNA MAKE YOU SPEND MONEY

YOLO

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA DURGEBEIEH DNDJEJW

[Meuh]

pav does not want to wear a sundress : ( must mean hes scum...

I mean ... I'll *wear* one, but none of us are going to enjoy the experience

I'm sure you can pull it off... <3

[Meuh]

i have a tiara i wasted money on that i never wear

we all know im a princess tho so i keep it

A constant reminder that ur a princess, very much necessary tbh

[Meuh]

Meuh you look so GORGEOUS THAT SUNDRESS IS SO YOU

TY it even has pockets!!! ALSO omg you look FANTASTIC IN YOUR SUNDRESS TOO!!! it fits your aesthetic SOOOO well

PEdit: nice day to you too!

[Meuh]

knock knock

YESSSSSS you look so good

[Meuh]

IM CHOKING I THOUGHT MY TIARA WAS CHEAP

BITCH NO ITS 53.99

WTF WAS I ON

BAHAHHAHAHAHAH YOU BOUGHT A 55.99 TIARA????

you know your worth tbh that's princess behaviour

[Meuh]

idk why u guys like to pretend like its such a hard thing to do... it really isnt..

BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

or as Pav would say, holy guacamole

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

[Meuh]

YESSSSS it's worth it

[Meuh]

we're getting ready for the yacht
it's gonna be so fun!

[Meuh]

scums prob within these ppl

skitter30
The Ugly Fruit
Titus
Gamma Emerald
SirCakez
Isis
the worst
GuiltyLion
Beat

I'd say Isis is like 50% less likely because of the tiara, otherwise yes absolutely

[Meuh]

Seeya Pav! Happy driving!

[Meuh]

I'm getting some cranberry juice
underrated fruit tbh...

[Meuh]

I dont really see any reason Pav should be scumread at this point and it makes me wary of the motion in that direction.
VOTE: Meuh

Aside from what you mentioned in 282 and my vote on Pav, what are your thoughts on my posts?

[Meuh]

I think it’s peculiar that all 3 people voting for me haven’t really tried to engage with me

[Meuh]

VOTE: SirCakez unironically just following GL rn

[Meuh]

I think it’s peculiar that all 3 people voting for me haven’t really tried to engage with me

Okay
You feel less solvey than you did in mini 2268 and much less than you did in trial of lotta hart
Why is that?

Ty
In Lotta Hart I had like a day to prepare my entrance and wanted to play well since it was my first rep in ever.
Plus since I got to start writing my opening very soon after I asked to replace, I still had that energy to invest into it. The circumstances made that happen

As for 2268 I’m not really sure
My best guess would be that I was motivated by guilt tbh… I felt bad about being way behind on both posting and reading and would’ve (and did) feel bad about getting mislimmed.

Kinda hard to have a good assessment on why you feel a certain way about the way I played in past games though so that’s not something I can truly provide a satisfying answer for. 80% of the difference in the way I play game to game is motivation and mood and I sadly don’t keep a diary (I should tbh) to look back on how irl circumstances could’ve affected me

[Meuh]

VOTE: Beat

Theory
Beat and Pav are scum.

Why are you revealing the secret theory I was preparing to dramatically reveal

[Meuh]

I dont really see any reason Pav should be scumread at this point and it makes me wary of the motion in that direction.
VOTE: Meuh

Like this feels like how scum would defend their partner
-Through scumreading a third party
-While not actively stating they think their partner is town

Especially how much this setup make red flips bad for the scumteam

[Meuh]

Red flips aren't that bad idt, in this setup they uniquely would have been revealed as mafia at some point anyway

U must not be scum or you would have figured this out, I discussed it for hours in the scum PT

hmm wait that's true
I kinda forgot the escaping mechanic means the mafia just forming a bloc is less likely
I was particularly keeping my eye out for potential mafia being really defensive of each other but I suppose red flips are happening - one way or the other.

[Meuh]

Hmm then I have no clue what to think

[Meuh]

I dont really see any reason Pav should be scumread at this point and it makes me wary of the motion in that direction.
VOTE: Meuh

Like this feels like how scum would defend their partner
-Through scumreading a third party
-While not actively stating they think their partner is town

Especially how much this setup make red flips bad for the scumteam

Agreed, and that's exactly what I noticed. This is a common tactic referred to as a chainsaw.

I was explicitly going to call it a chainsaw but people get all weird about that sort of terminology so I passed on it

[Meuh]

my browser is showing me ads for yachts now halp

awww your browser supports our party <3 how sweet

[Meuh]

NVM GUYS I FORGOT TO CHANGE THE CURRENCY TO CAD I HAVE TO DELETE SOME SHIT FROM MY CART

NOOOOOOOOO

[Meuh]

VOTE: Beat

Theory
Beat and Pav are scum.

VOTE: Beat

Theory
Beat and Pav are scum.

Why are you revealing the secret theory I was preparing to dramatically reveal

Whoops. Didn't read most. Started looking at votes.

I dont really see any reason Pav should be scumread at this point and it makes me wary of the motion in that direction.
VOTE: Meuh

Like this feels like how scum would defend their partner
-Through scumreading a third party
-While not actively stating they think their partner is town

Especially how much this setup make red flips bad for the scumteam

Agreed, and that's exactly what I noticed. This is a common tactic referred to as a chainsaw.

probably gonna stay on meuh? I liked cakez' skitter read but I can't remember like anything else he's done this game

Are you really scum? Where's the worst I know?

I like these posts and am leaning town on Titus at the moment, she feels pretty natural. Plus I like the theory on Pav/Beat because that's something I also had in mind.

[Meuh]

VOTE: Pavowski
Let’s see

I’ll explain my vote on Pav later, I don’t want to rn

Btw the reasoning for that is that I was feeling a bit uneasy on Pav and wanted to see how people gauge his alignment. Kinda got interrupted by the little party but Beat's reaction to it is interesting.

[Meuh]

It's interesting that 7/12 ITDNHTBMSUGE (individuals that do not happen to be mafia scum user gamma emerald) have voted for him thus far. The way votes have gone on and off fast makes this not particularly indicative of her being a townie, though, imo

[Meuh]

also try-harding makes people hate me and I am trying to turn over a new leaf and become a more fun person because winning is not as important as having FUN

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Except I always end up try-harding anyways

[Meuh]

It's interesting that 7/12 ITDNHTBMSUGE (individuals that do not happen to be mafia scum user gamma emerald) have voted for him thus far. The way votes have gone on and off fast makes this not particularly indicative of her being a townie, though, imo

can you finish the thought for me, why does it make her unlikely to be a townie?

Something I've touched on earlier when I was talking to Titus, scum are unlikely to bus in this setup imo. and with one person getting 7/12 votes, there's likely some scum voting there
But like I also said earlier, the way votes have moved around makes me feel like this is less town indicative than it normally would since Gamma's wagon got stopped in its tracks as fast as it started

[Meuh]

money ain't a thing when you're having fun with the girls

i have this phrase tattooed on my soul

if I don't look at my credit card bills they don't exist

amen omg you shouldn't be shaded for being too clever to pay for things.

this is exactly why we need to normalize shoplifting <3

[Meuh]

so if gamma is scum do you think all 7 gamma voters are town? who is most likely to be bussing her in your opinion?

No, I don't think so, I just think bussing is less likely than in regular setups.
If there were scum voting for her also partnered with her, I'd point to Beat and/or Pav. Though I wouldn't really call it bussing considering I don't think either of them were really pushing that hard for a lim in that direction.
Cakez feels pretty good as of late to me, and even if scum I don't really get the impression he's partnered with Gamma.

[Meuh]

whys the feeling of dread still here..

it's the ~~curse~~

idk I feel anxious about this game as well. it's a strong plist and scum are unlikely to just phone it in. Mafia is thrilling anxiety or something.

Tbh this game is like the least anxious I’ve felt in a mafia game in a while
I feel like we’re gonna get scum sooner or later

[Meuh]

Why is 64 degrees plus wind-chill in June this state is broken

Very cozy temp
It’s 16c (61f) over here, love these kinds of days in June

[Meuh]

i'm not that cute

You definitely are, stop lying

[Meuh]

ok what does utr stand for?

I usually see it stand for universal town read but I don't think anyone is townreading gamma?

I think it means “under the radar” in this context? Maybe not

[Meuh]

Oh boy are we gonna start analyzing the game with edgic terms

[Meuh]

Same, Survivor ORGs have forever altered my brain

[Meuh]

Never tried it out, no! I would play, but none of the threads there seem active

[Meuh]

omg is it actually? ive been wanting to join one but im so scared..

usually when i play orgs i get shitted on for having a good game but not even being able to explain it

We need to trade spots
I don't play that well but the one time I got to ftc people really liked my speech

[Meuh]

Never done an ORG myself, the perceived time commitment seems too large

Yeah, it's a pretty large commitment both in time and energy, though some are lower maintenance ones. All depends on what's expected in that community

[Meuh]

Never tried it out, no! I would play, but none of the threads there seem active

it's all played via offsite forums! just keep an eye out on the subforum for when a new game goes up, applications are usually via DM to the host

Will do! Sounds like a fun thing to try out

[Meuh]

Okay so Cakez is likely town

VOTE: Gamma

[Meuh]

+ i feel like you're writing in a way that's somewhat opaque, making it difficult to understand you

Do you think this is something scum would do, to deliberately make themselves harder to understand/engage with?
Is this not how Isis always speaks?

[Meuh]

+ i feel like you're writing in a way that's somewhat opaque, making it difficult to understand you

Do you think this is something scum would do, to deliberately make themselves harder to understand/engage with?
Is this not how Isis always speaks?

*herself, my bad

[Meuh]

Looking at VCs the overwhelming majority of the time Meuh is on the leading wagon. (or is the leading wagon)
My conclusion is that it isnt a good look for them

Why?

[Meuh]

Also yeah let’s maybe not lim Gamma anytime soon, there’s no incentive to.

[Meuh]

I’m not really getting the impression Isis v Skitter is a T/T situation tbh

If there’s scum there I’d lean towards Skitter at the moment

[Meuh]

I’m not really getting the impression Isis v Skitter is a T/T situation tbh

If there’s scum there I’d lean towards Skitter at the moment

What makes you think this?

Idk it's kind of hard to explain, feels like it isn't a discussion that's being conducted in good faith. I don't get the impression it's the result of 2 people genuinely wanting to talk one to the other in a productive fashion.

Looking at VCs the overwhelming majority of the time Meuh is on the leading wagon. (or is the leading wagon)
My conclusion is that it isnt a good look for them

Why?

It gives the impression you are trying to play the majority/ are just bloodthirsty for a mislim.

Hmm, okay. Though I wonder, if I was looking for a mislim, would I have not stayed on Gamma earlier and pushed for her harder? It's not a push facing much opposition. Or do you think Gamma and I are partnered?

[Meuh]

I’m not really getting the impression Isis v Skitter is a T/T situation tbh

If there’s scum there I’d lean towards Skitter at the moment

What makes you think this?

Specifically why do you think it would be me over isis?

I got generally good vibes from both Skitter and Isis earlier on, but I think Skitter's case against Isis felt a bit... superfluous I guess? Stuff like opaqueness of posting being brought up seems like a reach. Like it's something I struggled with too, (350) but it being brought up as a reason for a scumread?...
Skitter's push against Isis feels more like a "I dislike how you're playing this game" than a "I think you're scum this game" if that makes any sense. and for that I'm not sure it's well-intentionned.
It has made me question that push a bit more.

[Meuh]

superfluous I guess

Superfluous isn't the right word, I'd say more surface level? Like it's pointing out stuff that kinda has scummy vibes in a general sense, but I don't really see anything drawing the line from point A (Isis did something) to point B (Isis is scum for it)

[Meuh]

butbyeah ur camped on a vote thats going nowhere titus,
kinda reads like UR refusing to get on other wagons...

not all that helpful imo..

VOTE: Beat

[Meuh]

Marci what do u think of the pressure on Ari rn?

[Meuh]

I’m not really getting the impression Isis v Skitter is a T/T situation tbh

If there’s scum there I’d lean towards Skitter at the moment

What makes you think this?

Specifically why do you think it would be me over isis?

I got generally good vibes from both Skitter and Isis earlier on, but I think Skitter's case against Isis felt a bit... superfluous I guess? Stuff like opaqueness of posting being brought up seems like a reach. Like it's something I struggled with too, (350) but it being brought up as a reason for a scumread?...
Skitter's push against Isis feels more like a "I dislike how you're playing this game" than a "I think you're scum this game" if that makes any sense. and for that I'm not sure it's well-intentionned.
It has made me question that push a bit more.

this is kind of why i townread skitter actually. she's *talking* about those things, and using them as conversation pieces, but i feel like her actual votes/pushes have felt fueled by more significant alignment indicators? more like alerting them to her concerns and challenging them to explain/adapt which is less of an agenda tell and more of like, a tell that her thoughts are probably more likely to be genuine.

this is why i'm coming around on skitter. scum!skitter has a lot of ammunition to push people, and she's rarely afraid to make a push. i kinda just feel like she's parsing people instead of pushing them?


pedit: why beat

Hmm, interesting, that makes sense actually

As for Beat, exploring Titus' Beat/Pav theory interests me and I haven't been particularly feeling good about Beat as of late, so I think placing my vote there to prompt more in that direction is nice. I TR Titus and don't feel incredible about the way Beat/Pav have been positioned this game anyways, so why not?

[Meuh]

what about the way those two have been positioned is bothering you?
i feel like those two players are probably getting the easiest townreads of anyone. but i'm also not in a camp where i disagree with any of the reads either?

why do you townread titus & why does titus being town make your vote on beat matter?

I like it when ideas thrown out by townies are acknowledged and delved into.

Also the quick unvotes on Gamma (I did it too but I'm a townie), the way Beat chainsaw defended Pav after I placed my vote there, the way Pav got townread early, despite not doing much to warrant that imo.
It's just small things that I find concerning about them that make me uneasy. My vote fulfills a better purpose on Beat than it does on Gamma.

[Meuh]

butbyeah ur camped on a vote thats going nowhere titus,
kinda reads like UR refusing to get on other wagons...

not all that helpful imo..

VOTE: Beat

Marcistar with Beat and Pav.

Marci’s scum?

[Meuh]

the way Beat chainsaw defended Pav after I placed my vote there,

Your push was bad and I pointed out it was bad. I see no problem there.
Pav is very tonally and strategically town and I still stand by that. That isn't why the push is bad, but its why I intervened.

Also unvoting an RVS vote when they get a huge wagon is scummy how?

It ties you to Gamma, who I find pretty scummy.

[Meuh]

I buy the narrative that Titus encountered info that breaks her favorite theory and won't brute force it. I think scumtitus stubborns or makes up something new. Not necessarily a meta read either

+1
I liked that moment

[Meuh]

“People that you like want to see you suffer”

[Meuh]

I even forced myself to put down something regarding tw.

Also this entire conversation was exhausting to read wow

[Meuh]

burp noise

[Meuh]

Pav what do you think about Beat

[Meuh]

like duckie's just trying to trigger me atp and I dunno what beat is doing.

I bet they’re giggling to each other in scum chat…

[Meuh]

Ty ty!

[Meuh]

little jealous timezones disqualify me from the stoned mafia!! getting high and looking for liars on the internet is such a vibe.

Weeding out the mafia

[Meuh]

Hello everyone, What is going on rn?

We are attempting to figure out each other’s alignments, in typical mafia fashion

Also ikr weeding out the mafia?????


Pedit: walnuts are pretty good, though they remind me of wrinkly brains heehee

[Meuh]

i need to sleep cause im gonna try to play pokemon cards at the downtown card store and buy that i mean I am going to get to work early, leave work early, drive downtown, probably discover I don't really understand how city parking works, step out of a parking spot that looks like ok maybe i'm allowed to park there, then read one of the 999999 signs menacingly reminding everyone what the biggest towing company in the city is and drive home, unpack half the remaining stuff in my house for the 4th (4th) halving of yet-to-be-unpacked possessions, lose a slay the spire run to goblin nob then fall asleep

Gremlin Nob crushing dreams of Silent runs
Very sad memories

[Meuh]

given d1 is easily the lowest risk phase there's a big ol part of me that wants to just flashlim TUF .....

Fwiw this game will likely end with a bunch of people still alive (I think there will be at least 7 people alive on the last day), so policy limming someone like Fruit or going for a "safe" lim sounds particularly unappealing.
There's no inevitability that inactive players will need to be limmed before endgame so it's not a matter of now or later, it's a matter of yes or no. Unless there's actual reason to suspect someone, they probably shouldn't be limmed

[Meuh]

I think there will be at least 7 people alive on the last day

Actually no there will be at least 5 people still alive, not 7
(lim -> lim -> lim -> escape/kill -> lim -> escape/kill -> final day)
Point still stands, even in the scenario where the game drags on the most, there will be 5 people still around on the final day.

[Meuh]

Sorry for asking but what does lim mean? i'm trynna look on the wiki for Terminology but I can't find it

It's short for "elimination", the process of voting out a player

[Meuh]

also not really feeling all that confident outside of like, a few core reads. I fully intend to channel ultimate magical genius ydrasse and dunk on the deepest scum on d4, seizing victory from the jaws of defeat.

What would you say are those core reads?

[Meuh]

[6] Beat: Titus, Meuh, GuiltyLion, marcistar, Gamma Emerald, Beat

???

I think she meant to write "Ari" where "Beat"'s vote is

[Meuh]

This is where my head's at rn

Townread: Titus, Marci, GL
Townlean: Ari, Isis, Cakez
Neutral/conflicted: Skitter, Fruit, Worstie
Scumlean: Gamma, Pav
Scumread: Beat

Not interested in a lim in the town tiers. Maybe in the neutral tier, and I'm good with a lim in the scum tiers.

[Meuh]

Oh.

[Meuh]

VOTE: Pavowski I guess

[Meuh]

Why?

I think he's scum

[Meuh]

Why tho

The slight but non-commital defence of Beat irks me

[Meuh]

Maybe we should just be limming Gamma today huh

I seriously doubt no scum were on Beat

[Meuh]

Isis help me out here, are you mafia?

[Meuh]

Catching up

VOTE: Pavowski I guess

Why?

Why tho

The slight but non-commital defence of Beat irks me

Maybe I should reconsider my reads more after Beat's flip, though. Blegh

this game is a dumpster fire but it's my dumpster fire

VOTE: Isis

at everything

and welcome Coral!

marcistar's treatment of the fruit slot has been super bizarre and makes me feel like she knows he's town

I don't really get this
I guess their interactions are a bit weird but I don't get that conclusion from it
(In response to 1805)
You kind of have to consider that this is a set of interactions between people who have already played together a bunch, and Marci's the one who invited Fruit to the site in the first place. The timing of her shading Fruit is a decent point, though it also wouldn't surprise me to just be a frustrated town Marci?
Like if you invite a friend, he plays in a way you don't like, and he misreads you as scum, I feel like you'd be relatively frustrated?
and I don't really get the point about 1275. To me regardless of Marci's alignment, it reads like her just... wanting her friend to be able to play the game. I also would not be rooting for my friend to be immediately pushed in his first game
I can't really discern an actual agenda in Marci's posts about Fruit.

[Meuh]

Wow voting already?

As long as no one’s in range to be hammered, votes are a nice tool to use to drive discussion

[Meuh]

Then what’s the issue

[Meuh]

Do you think being vote-happy is scummy? I personally love throwing my vote all over the place

[Meuh]

marcis sig might legit be a scum claim

Her signature represents her pretty well tbh...

[Meuh]

marcis sig might legit be a scum claim

Her signature represents her pretty well tbh...

cries

I MEAN IT IN A GOOD WAY DW
you're like evil in like a badass cool kind of way
and hating baja blast is iconic

[Meuh]

I'm not sure how I feel about Skitter at this point, I should probably reread her
Not sure she's a good lim idea for today either way

[Meuh]

Yeah, I continue to just not get people's scumreads on Cakez

The unanimity on Gamma being scummy makes me uneasy but also is there really anyone scummier?

[Meuh]

GL/Pavowski/Fruit ggez

[Meuh]

The way the game flowed from Gamma to Beat doesn’t give me the impression either of them were scum.
Like there probably were some scum who participated in that shift, but I think they mostly just didn’t care and just settled for a mislim on whoever townies were pointing at.
Gamma shouldn’t be limmed today imo

To me, if someone wants to make a case for Gamma scum, they also have to make a case for how the Gamma -> Beat change was influenced by ill-intentioned people.
Otherwise, the circumstances make Gamma being scum pretty unlikely in my eyes

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

anyways, I think I want my vote here

VOTE: Beat

I'm not fully convinced re:Ari & Skitter because I have a lot of respect for their game, but my gut feeling is we may be in a world where all of Ari/skitter/Isis are town all paranoia fighting each other, and meanwhile Beat just kinda comes in and posts a quiet vote on Ari while taking a very fence-sitty opinion on Gamma. I get a sense Beat doesn't want to look too bad from a GE townflip. Also, a few of the ways she's justified her reads have felt made up and reachy to me - claiming that Cakez ISO'd her? (571), strong townread on Pav, the idea that Meuh is "bloodthirsty" 845, none of it feels genuine to me. Also I TR Titus and Meuh and think it's a pure wagon so far

p-edit: lmao yeah I was definitely more the snarky one first in that interaction w/ Ari haha

1. My ari scumread was addressed before the vote near start of day. It has grown since then.
2. I believe this is an accurate read on my position with the Gamma Wagon. I'm not convinced enough of GE being scum to vote there when we are so close to hammer. I also have other scumreads I'd like to address more. I am fence sitting on Gamma deliberately in a way (though i didnt think of it like this before)

(Additionally I dont think a GE flip gives us much info regardless of alignment)

My issue is more - if you don't think GE is a good flip and you're invested in an Ari scumread, why weren't you being more loud about it? 1051 isn't gonna motivate anyone to vote Ari, I'd expect town to be more vocal about steering the wagon away from Gamma if that's what you want. that's what I mean by "quiet", you were content to let a bunch of people argue with each other and Ari to hardpush Gamma while you just plopped a vote on her

it might be a playstyle thing because you've been kinda withdrawn throughout the whole game but especially at that particular juncture of the game it felt like you didn't actually care about the current momentum of Ari's Gamma push/wagon

I mean my input this game has largely been ignored/ not engaged with except as reason to scumread me which doesn't incentivize me to be anything other than be withdrawn.

I both dislike this post and also dislike the fact that virtually everyone ignored it

which posts this game do you feel people have ignored as it relates to your Ari scumread? feel like I'm maybe repeating myself but I don't see how you could genuinely believe what you've posted regarding Ari in your ISO would convince somebody that they should be voting her alongside you.

As we continue to approach deadline I'm gonna point out that Beat's last post was basically like "everyone ignores me so I'm not going to give content" and she has not substantively pushed her scumread Ari at all despite us being at the stage where we need to coalesce on a lim

I am thinking

town: {Titus, Marci, Fruit, Meuh, Isis, Skitter}
prob town?: {Ari, Cakez, Gamma}
scummy: {the worst, Pav, Beat}

Are these the posts of someone trying to solve the game? Or are these the posts of someone trying to follow active townies while giving off the impression of genuinely scumreading the same people as them.
Perhaps less thread activity from him is contributing to this feeling I have about GL; but he just does not seem to be genuinely scumhunting. He seems almost disconnected from the game in a sense. Without ever mentioning this being so. Shouldn’t have townbined him over like 1 good interaction with me
I’ve been feeling good about a lot of the players this game and I think he might be the person I’ve let get out of my sight too quickly.
This might be one of my “I think I’ve suddenly made a big realization about someone I’ve previously not scrutinized much and it’s completely wrong” moments which happen more often than they should.
Either way I wanna see where this goes.
VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Meuh]

What if it’s like Titus/GL/Coral or something like that

[Meuh]

@Pavowski Are you a townie?

[Meuh]

Also for anyone struggling with telling me and Ari apart, I’m a rectangle and she’s a square. As long as you can remember that, you’re good

[Meuh]

I was going to prove my extremely recent fealty by voting GL even though I townread him but when you tossed in Titus too it felt too throwy

Oh that’s what you were saying in that post!
Tbh, following me at this moment may not be the greatest idea. I’m at the point of the game where I’m unsatisfied with the way I’m playing, and I just throw a bunch of my reads out of the window.
Titus I need to look back on. My brain’s set on finding a full scumteam rn for some reason and it felt like she made sense partnered with Coral/GL? I feel way better about her than about GL, at least.

[Meuh]

Maybe I should ask for private threads and have these conspiracy theory gutread solves in there instead

[Meuh]

I think it's maximum kosher not to talk about note PTs in any dimension.

Fair, sorry

[Meuh]

I can see why some people are getting suspicious of Marci but it just doesn’t click for me at all. I don’t think she’s scum here.
I like Skitter’s response to GL

[Meuh]

Do I want more reads from Marci? Absolutely
So I guess the votes don’t really hurt for now

[Meuh]

If the votes on Marci were purely there for pressure's sake they'd be fine. The actual scumreads on her I don't really like

[Meuh]

There's no way there aren't any scum in GL/Titus/Isis

[Meuh]

There's no way there aren't any scum in GL/Titus/Isis

Then who do you think it is?

GL, perhaps paired with you or Isis

@Skitter, GL literally just made a case

No he didn't, he sheeped isis

Yeah.
I have a hard time believing GL's gameplay this game hasn't just been finding a wagon he wants to join, and then finding reasoning to make it seem genuine. I don't get the sense he's actually scumhunting. He brought up reasons to scumread Marci but I don't get the sense he actually believes any of it.

[Meuh]

skitter you just made a post that said "i townread marci at the start of the game, but I understand why her stock is down recently, and my change my view of her to a negative one"

then you made 8 posts saying GuiltyLion's read of marcistar shouldn't change.

This is just not true and there's nuance in Skitter's posts that's being ignored here

[Meuh]

[Meuh]

why this emotional reaction btw, aren't you on the Isis-is-scum train? doesn't seem like it would come from that angle.

Coral thinks I'm scum an maybe I mix up all the sundresses though X_X

I read your post and that emoji encompassed my reaction to it.
Not voting you at the moment but I was before and might do it again soon

Looking at VCs I feel like 25% more confident Isis is scum

I was going to respond to this post by asking you to wagon Isis with me but apparently she’s already got 3 votes? That didn’t register in my mind, I thought there was only like 1 vote

PEdit:
@Coral Why? Do you find Gamma and Skitter too scummy to vote with?

[Meuh]

Pavowski luigi

This made me laugh the hardest I have in a while and I’m in the middle of a math class so it was very embarrassing
Thank you for this though I needed that laugh

Will answer what I’ve been asked when I have the opportunity to!

[Meuh]

Meuh, what are your feelings on skitter? Do you think you came to your reads independently of her and by your own reasoning? Or did you find her cases convincing?

I'll probably look to see for myself but I'm curious if you have any thoughts on the subject

Skitter's someone I've been feeling conflicted on.
At the very start of the game I felt good about her, then later on I didn't really like the way her and Isis interacted and had generally been feeling less good about her.
Then I started feeling like she was just town again
and now she's taking stances that feel mindmeldy and that's very comforting. It's just nice to have someone else with a similar outlook on the game. Tonally though? I've been mostly meh on her since the very start

Meuh what would help you see me town bc unlike skitter I think you rolled town so

How do we learn eachothers language

Hmm I'm not too sure... I find your alignment a bit hard to discern from your posting. Should probably give you a proper reread.
Maybe we should just talk, that usually works
About what? Idk
Admittedly I think I give whether or not people agree with me too much weight. That likely doesn't help.

[Meuh]

I guess we could eliminate any scum and win the game tomorrow. Maybe I'm thinking about things wrong.

I thought about this at the start of the game, forgetting that scum have a free escape at EoD2 if we mislim twice. There's no benefit to purposely mislimming today, as funny as that would be

[Meuh]

I guess we could eliminate any scum and win the game tomorrow. Maybe I'm thinking about things wrong.

I thought about this at the start of the game, forgetting that scum have a free escape at EoD2 if we mislim twice. There's no benefit to purposely mislimming today, as funny as that would be

Wait I misread your post oops
disregard

[Meuh]

2042 is pretty good though, imo

[Meuh]

Ugh 2041 seems genuine
VOTE: Pavowski
I think this is better

[Meuh]

Oh I was also thinking about meuh's post

Do you think Pavowski is scummier individually or more vca, flow of the tides.

To me he's scummy in a circumstantial way if that makes any sense?
The general position he's in, the way he has interacted with others and others have treated him, the feeling of some people being aware of him being scummy, while some seem to prefer ignoring his existence, I guess. It all makes me uneasy.

On an individual basis I also feel iffy about him.
I don't recall ever reading a Pav post and thinking "yeah, this was probably written by a townie"; which I've felt with I'd say most of the players in this game, even other people I do or have scumread. Like I would have to dig a bit for it, but I feel like I've had moments with people like GL, Gamma or you in that way. Not really with Pav.

[Meuh]

Last night I forgot what a milkshake was called… I was struggling

[Meuh]

What if it's just something like Pav/Fruit/Coral.
None of which have townpinged me much and the 3 of them voting in very different spots.
I think Fruit might just be scum from POE. While I'm having conflicting feelings about this game, generally I townread most players
Also fwiw I don't think the way the worst interacted with Ari before replacing out clears him but also that's touchy so I don't really wanna discuss it much

also vibessssssssssssssssssssss

[Meuh]

Skitter being scum seems unlikely, both as an individual and within the context of the game

[Meuh]

Things would definitely be easier if she weren't, but there's things that concern me. What makes you think it's unlikely?

The way people position themselves around her gives me the impression she's someone scum want as a lim at some point.
Also, I recall her voicing concerns about the general gamestate and her own perception of the game, which felt both natural and motivated by an intent to solve.

[Meuh]

He’s probably chilling in wolf chat

[Meuh]

@Gamma I do think Fruit is scum, it was like a half-jokey comment. Sorry. The issue is that I also don’t think my read on him is very compelling because it’s coming from a perspective of the game that most people don’t have. (I townread most players)
My read on Fruit is more of a gamestate read than a Fruit read and I don’t find his ISO particularly compelling

PEdit: VOTE: The Ugly Fruit

[Meuh]

Oh I was also thinking about meuh's post

Do you think Pavowski is scummier individually or more vca, flow of the tides.

To me he's scummy in a circumstantial way if that makes any sense?
The general position he's in, the way he has interacted with others and others have treated him, the feeling of some people being aware of him being scummy, while some seem to prefer ignoring his existence, I guess. It all makes me uneasy.

Who do you think falls into each camp here?

hmmm
I assume you mean the camp of aware vs ignoring?
I'm gonna take a look at people's ISOs to get the accurate picture of it all
Note that ignoring doesn't mean no mention of Pav, it means more so less harsh stances and less attention on him:

Aware: Me, Titus, Ari, Coral, GL
Ignoring: Marci, Fruit, Worstie, Gamma, Isis, Cakez, Skitter
Pavowski: Pavowski

Things that stuck out to me while looking at this:
-Coral and TW have given significantly different amounts of attention to Pav.
-Isis barely mentions him, considering her postcount
-It's even worse for Skitter, who also barely mentions him. From what I can see she literally didn't talk about him until 1691, which is impressive.

[Meuh]

Your hat does look trustworthy

[Meuh]

WOOOOOOOOO townblock time

[Meuh]

Am I allowed to pick no one

[Meuh]

I'd probably trust Ari more than Coral but Coral is also okay
I don't get the impression Ari wants to be leading anyways

[Meuh]

Stealth fighters are incredibly loud but they're very far away so that doesn't matter. They are painted black but it's not that hard to paint other planes black. The most remarkable thing is them having a bizarre shape that makes radar waves bounce off of them at strange angles so they look like a very small object or can't be found at all.

That's why I was responding to "under the radar"

Are you calling Coral bizarrely shaped?

[Meuh]

you know what they say about the best leaders being those who don't want the power

Let's make Marci lead then

[Meuh]

Meuh doesn't really like the idea and is meming

The second is true

I'm pondering the idea at the moment
Tbh it might be a good plan, better than just crossing our fingers and hoping we can coordinate a scum lim

[Meuh]

I feel like I can't win the game unless meuh votes scum and I can't get that to happen and that's the whole game

Probably true tbh
Maybe this plan is good

[Meuh]

you know what would be the most fun way to win this game? if we do make a townblock, and then lim scum with it today, and that would force scum to confirm 5 of the townblock as town!!

it would be such a party

wait being conftown sounds so fun actually
can we make it happen?

[Meuh]

I was conftown from d0 in a dance game and it was stressful

Okay yes but
We would be a whole group, a squad, a club, a gang, a quintet, an ensemble, even a committee, if you will!

[Meuh]

HEAL: Ari
HEAL: Isis
HEAL: Coral

UwU

[Meuh]

wait hold up that scum game that skitter was basing her point off of was from a year ago and marci had 11 posts

hard to feel that's a genuine point of reference when marci's had much stronger scum performances since then...

I’ve read through it before, and that game is legitimately the worst frame of reference for Marci’s scum game you could have.

[Meuh]

can we just vote isis is anybody interested in joining me on that

Isis isn't scum lol

Why didn’t you heal her, then?

[Meuh]

The way the game flowed from Gamma to Beat doesn’t give me the impression either of them were scum.
Like there probably were some scum who participated in that shift, but I think they mostly just didn’t care and just settled for a mislim on whoever townies were pointing at.
Gamma shouldn’t be limmed today imo

To me, if someone wants to make a case for Gamma scum, they also have to make a case for how the Gamma -> Beat change was influenced by ill-intentioned people.
Otherwise, the circumstances make Gamma being scum pretty unlikely in my eyes

Faker/Fruit/Marci are all town tbh...

At least one scum in GL/Titus/Isis, I stand by this

Coral I could also see be scum I guess

Ari's town though, so is Cakez

Pavowski's Pavowski

Skitter uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh idk at this point

Hmm Skitter/GL/Titus/Pav are probably the scummiest players in the game

I should maybe reread stuff though

VOTE: GuiltyLion I like having my vote there, it's very comfortable
Better than on Fruit

[Meuh]

How come I dropped off the second list of scummy people

Deep in your heart do you know you treasure me

Basically, yeah
I was making that list and I truly asked myself "Is Isis scum?" and the answer was no

[Meuh]

Meuh, that post is kinda concerning for me. It feels like you're reacting to new information, like a flip or a claim from someone you scumread, but all that's really happened is Faker replaced in. Previously, you were voting Fruit, and healing Ari/Isis/me. Now it seems your positions have changed significantly. It feels like it could be scum trying to reposition due to the change in the gamestate that a replacement brings. I am not sure what town thought process could result in that response. Can you explain more how you ended up where you are now?

pedit: okay, you're not scumreading Isis? maybe a little less of a change, then. it still feels a little off to me

I just took a moment to listen to my gut.
That post is basically just a bunch of gut reads.
Faker replacing in is fun and has given me a bit of motivation but that doesn't really change my perspective on that slot, no.

Some people are kinda surface level scummy as has been mentioned by others, but ultimately them being scum just doesn't resonate with me, deep within my soul. Like Marci, Fruit, Gamma/Faker and Cakez.

Pedit: PAVOWSKI LUIGI

[Meuh]

Also I will never get over how good this song is
https://open.spotify.com/track/4eZPjR0d ... 0741de4bf2
Like wow!

[Meuh]

Right, that's probably something I should do.
I've read every recent post of yours (and every post in this game) but I haven't like, properly absorbed most of the recent discussion
Which should probably come before committing to a vote
I mostly voted for you because I didn't like my vote being on Fruit, and I also don't like voting for no one.

[Meuh]

but you weren't trying to sort, you invented a narrative where 1. Fruit was

pretending

to be apathetic about being limmed because 2. Fruit thought Ari wouldn't pick him as the lim today

and I don't see any actual evidence or reason for believing either 1 or 2 in the thread

so yeah, strikes me as reaching to create a reason to scumread Fruit rather than genuine sorting

Is what Gamma said maybe a bit of a stretch? Sure
Does it seem particularly malicious or disingenuous? Not really
Gamma generally feeling town to me doesn't really help with making this argument more compelling, either.

Sidenote but 2632 is good

2635 dunno how I feel about this reconsideration of your initial stance on Gamma. Like at first glance I see this being a townie genuinely reconsidering his perspective but then?... it also feels like self-critical scum.

2640 hmm. It's like I get where your argument against Gamma comes from here? But it feels like a mismatch. It seems like (and Gamma said it was) a vibe read and you seem to be addressing it as a fully fledged argument against Fruit.
Your reaction reads like the reaction to Gamma putting out a confident read about a scum pairing, while in reality it feels more like Gamma just had a fleeting thought about a scenario where Fruit was scum that made sense to her. and you're treating it as something more. Not sure what that means about your own alignment.

[Meuh]

Also I will never get over how good this song is
https://open.spotify.com/track/4eZPjR0d ... 0741de4bf2
Like wow!

My absolute favorite lyricist.

And my favorite album from her.

Really good lyrics, yes!
I need to get into her older albums, I've only extensively listened to Fetch the Bolt Cutters and Idler Wheel, it's probably my favourite of the two. I think the first 7 tracks on Bolt Cutters are a smidge better than the average song on Idler Wheel, but the last 6 are a bit underwhelming comparatively.
Idler is consistently very strong.

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I'm a bit confused what you mean by "pairing" here - my reaction is just about Gamma's read on fruit?

I'm referring to the Fruit/Ari thing that was brought up there

[Meuh]

I didn't interpret any of Gamma's posts to be explicitly arguing that Ari/Fruit were a pairing? if so I missed that

I just thought Gamma believed Ari was not going to lim Fruit

I got the impression that you got the impression that Gamma got the impression that Fruit may have not been concerned about the royalty, because Ari was his partner.

Pedit: Oh, I read that as Ari directly giving her takes to Fruit, not a third party doing so.
That makes more sense actually

Also Newspaper is one of my favs, I love it so much

[Meuh]

Wait ur so pretty Isis
Truly our prom queen

VOTE: Pavowski Luigi
E-2!

[Meuh]

You’ve been on this site for 13 years?

[Meuh]

Fruit just seems like LHF and possibly a scum driven wagon I just don't really see that having a high chance of flipping scum

Yeah, Fruit’s probably town at this point

Pedit:
Oh that makes sense!

[Meuh]

I think either nothing happens at night or a mafia escapes, depending on Pav’s alignment

[Meuh]

well we'd get 5 innos if pavo is mafia

Wait right
Hopefully he’s maf

[Meuh]

You’ve been on this site for 13 years?

There are a lot of ancients.

ANCIENTS?

cake cake cake cake

[Meuh]

You’ve been on this site for 13 years?

There are a lot of ancients.

We did the whole electing someone thing, Ari got chosen and decided to go with whoever Isis wanted, which was Pav
So now we're planning on limming Pav (who is on E-1 at the moment)

[Meuh]

meuh did i not tell u

THIS SITE IS OLDER THAN US
i think it was created when i was a baby..

I know I know... it's just shocking on occasion LMAO
This site is Paleolithic

Pedit: 2002 I think?