Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)
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Sounds like a great idea to me.In post 48, Enchant wrote:Actually let's do it funny way.
Play game like normal, and on 3 days before deadline force Vengefuls to claim. Therefore we will know who could tried push them and vice versa.-
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Good point.In post 65, Beat wrote:Why wouldnt the cultists vote the leader in RVS? Isnt the prime cultists' job in this setup to build false associatives?
It would be really helpful for Cult considering that a vote on the CL is an instant Town win.-
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Sounds like a good plan to me.In post 83, Korina wrote:because if they refuse to kill who we said, we killed cult anyways, and vengefuls should be killed for double-elims anyways?-
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Got that.In post 86, Enchant wrote:Promoting this plan is anti-town.
How about forcing all to claim if they get put to E-1 on D1. If they don't agree to consensus shot, look for associations and get rid of any potential cult-partners?-
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Got that.In post 89, Enchant wrote:
I give two statements, i actually don't understand why i need to keep explaining but ok.In post 87, RH9 wrote:
Got that.In post 86, Enchant wrote:Promoting this plan is anti-town.
How about forcing all to claim if they get put to E-1 on D1. If they don't agree to consensus shot, look for associations and get rid of any potential cult-partners?
First: Vengefuls should claim D1. No discuss. I actually think forcing Governor as well is not bad, but it's debating.
Second: Assuming we have only two Vengeful claims (exact amount we supposed to have), they are not only confirmed town if/before convert happens, but also they are Not Cult Leader for the end of the game. Because killing Cult Leader is instant win, there's literallyzeroreason to kill them at any point afterwards.
Thanks, Enchant.
By the way, what happens if there ends up being more than 2 Vengeful claims?-
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Your tone and content in your first four posts made me think that you were Town.
I think that your questioning in this post feels also quite like you are Town because scum would be more happier about getting TRed.-
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Good catch.In post 167, Nathann wrote: This is, what, saying that you've never seen Scum attempt to actively lurk by putting out posts that seem like content but don't actually go anywhere? That is the entirety of my Scumread on RH9, how come you didn't attack me over it?
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Well.In post 181, Enchant wrote:... really i am dissapointed.
You all really considering that hiding PR, sole useful purpose is ability to shot IF they mislimmed.
Literally bonkers. If you want miselim Vengefuls so much, why not do it at Day 1 as well then they claim, hm?
Could you remind me when to watch out for Vengeful claims?-
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Got that.In post 185, Beat wrote:Vengefuls should claim today to reduce the lim pool, although we dont need the claim yet. The claims become useless after a prime dies.
By the way, I might be repeating things but do you think that Vengefuls should target their own SRs or a consensus SR?-
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OK.In post 187, Beat wrote:Theres nothing stopping their own judgement. Cult will be influential if it is decided by majority but rhen again commonly scumread players will likely die amyway.
Theres value in both but I think the best course of action currently is just to not lim vengefuls as sinple as it is.
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Oh.In post 190, Nathann wrote:
Why did you say Venged specifically?In post 170, RH9 wrote:
Good catch.In post 167, Nathann wrote: This is, what, saying that you've never seen Scum attempt to actively lurk by putting out posts that seem like content but don't actually go anywhere? That is the entirety of my Scumread on RH9, how come you didn't attack me over it?
Do you think that BBT should be Venged?
Also, what are your reads looking like right now?
That was a slip. I accidentally thought that all Vengefuls would want to shoot a consensus read.
As for my reads, I have Jacket as Town for tone, you as Town for your questioning, Enchant and Beat as Town for their strategic help and null for most of the others.
My read on BBT is still not improved.-
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I would say that I agree somewhat in that it seems to me that furtive is trying to appear like he's solving.In post 214, Beat wrote:It feels like a poorly thought out point that's mostly filler.
It feels to me like the kind of post scum would make to try and look like they are solving/ throwing shade.-
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That's a good question.In post 217, furtiveglance wrote:
You agree with Beat, interesting. And if they started.....a cult, let's say. Would you be in?In post 215, RH9 wrote:
I would say that I agree somewhat in that it seems to me that furtive is trying to appear like he's solving.In post 214, Beat wrote:It feels like a poorly thought out point that's mostly filler.
It feels to me like the kind of post scum would make to try and look like they are solving/ throwing shade.
I'm not sure, really.-
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I agree on Korina.In post 221, Cat.Jpeg wrote:I don't think Korina, Bella, or Enchant are CL.
If they were CL, they wouldn't probably be doing everything that they have been doing.
I agree on Enchant too.
They've been coming up with so much plans that it feels like a CL wouldn't be doing.-
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EBWOPIn post 222, RH9 wrote:
I agree on Korina.In post 221, Cat.Jpeg wrote:I don't think Korina, Bella, or Enchant are CL.
If they were CL, they wouldn't probably be doing everything that they have been doing.
I agree on Enchant too.
They've been coming up with so much plans that it feels like something that a CL wouldn't be doing.-
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Got it.In post 225, furtiveglance wrote:
Enchant claimed Governor, You don't get points for townreading PR claims.In post 222, RH9 wrote:
I agree on Korina.In post 221, Cat.Jpeg wrote:I don't think Korina, Bella, or Enchant are CL.
If they were CL, they wouldn't probably be doing everything that they have been doing.
I agree on Enchant too.
They've been coming up with so much plans that it feels like a CL wouldn't be doing.-
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I agree.In post 249, Enchant wrote:In post 247, Beat wrote:There is also the route where we let cult recruit because then if we kill the recruit
No, unless you want play mindgames with cult.
Killing the recruit just lets the Cult use the Vengeful to take out Town and help them win.-
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I disagree.In post 254, Cat.Jpeg wrote:I almost feel like CL is in the vengeful claims
I see no reason why CL would want to do that.
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Yeah.In post 272, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:But that's impossible if Bella is Cult Leader, right?
I never thought that Bella was CL, but it does make more sense to me that town!Bella's worried that I'm aligned with Beat rather than us being T/S.-
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By the way, if you want my current reads.
Town
Enchant
Jacket
Bella
Korina / BBT / Beat
Cat.Jpeg / Titus
furtiveglance
Nathann
Cult
By the way, for my read on Nathann changed, it's because of his history of fakeclaiming and acting like Town as 3P.
I don't think that Jacket ever fakeclaims here because he was first. For Enchant, it's because of their plans.
For why I moved Bella up and Beat, it's because of 266 and I dislike the wagon on Bella.-
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EBWOPIn post 282, RH9 wrote:To be honest, I'm getting the feeling that we're leaning towards a no-lim.
Unless we can get to a consensus SR, we're going nowhere.-
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To clarify, do you want to vote between them or let them decide?In post 284, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'll go between the vengefuls today I think.
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Oh yeah.In post 292, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:SK is different and meta is meta.
SK still want to find scum remember
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I'm not entirely sure.In post 349, Nathann wrote: Also I'd like everyone to give input on who they think is likely Cult outside of the Vengeful claims. BBT, includes you.
Maybe one of Cat.Jpeg and furtive?
Reading the latest posts by Titus just makes me feel like she's genuinely didn't mean to post less and she's trying to improve.-
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Good point.In post 400, Korina wrote:Cult don’t get recruits from non-prime deaths-
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I see.In post 412, Beat wrote:Spoiler: Notable interactions of Bella, Cat, and Nathann
The three musketeers at work.
Cat.jpeg and Bellaphant work with each other through a majority of the game. Cat.jpeg encourages bad mech plays which isn't anything definitive, except the buddy/buddyness with Bella. Cat has notable instances of discrediting ideas or players as well as Bella ends up not contributing a lot and mainly plays defensive of cat and bella. Their only real 'push' is an OMGUS and most of the rest of their play appears like obfuscation rather than curiosity or 'solviness' They play to keep certain players alive which I think has high CL equity.
Nathann is the mostl iekly wrong here but notably is closer to the other two in townreads earlier on (before they may have decided who will claim vengeful) and drops most mention of the others after that point. It reeks of distancing but I can't find Nathann's role in cults plan (and if this is the team there is a particular direction they are guiding the game towards) except perhaps as a foil/distancing.
I think most of the [abridged] ISO speaks for itself but if any part of it escapes you as to hwy I bring it up just say so. I will be back before deadline but this is why I want to elim bellaphant, and I haven't seen stronger cases on anyone else yet.
Though, I'm still more for a Cat lim today than one on Bella.-
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EBWOPIn post 416, RH9 wrote:VOTE: Cat.Jpeg
I feel like she's likely to be Cult.
254 doesn't sit right.
It feels like she wants to get a Vengeful or Prime Cultist limmed.-
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Would you want me to switch to Bella?In post 419, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:That Cat vote is going to achieve nothing RH9, it's too late
Though, plurality means that she's going to get eliminated anyways unless somebody votes Nathann or Beat for some reason or another.-
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That's true.In post 424, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'd definitely vote Cat if we thought we could get the votes.
Just worried about time.
In the 12 hours left of the Day, most people are probably going to be asleep so I don't think that much vote will end up changing.
And Cat.Jpeg could always just vote Bella.-
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Thanks.In post 426, Nathann wrote:
324 and 341.In post 404, RH9 wrote:By the way, Nathann, even though you're talking to Jacket, would you mind quoting the posts on your rationale on Beat?
I agree.In post 429, Nathann wrote:I'm kind of skeptical that Cult!Beat makes 412 when it seems likely that one of the people in the solve will get eliminated. If one of the people in there were to flip Town, she would be forced to re-evaluate, and I'm not sure Scum is likely to put themselves in that position voluntarily.
I think that that is one of her Towniest posts.
It feels unlikely that scum would try so hard to justify a solve and continue to push it.-
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There's plurality.In post 451, Cat.Jpeg wrote:Sorry for disappearing, I will vote whoever to avoid no-elim. I dont really want to vote bella though.
There will be no no-elim at deadline.-
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I see.In post 461, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
Voting in the vengeful claims means that a vengeful or prime cultist will get elimmed, thats just how that works. Except if a CL is elimmed but that's a good thing.In post 416, RH9 wrote:VOTE: Cat.Jpeg
I feel like she's likely to be Cult.
254 still doesn't sit right.
It feels like she wants to get a Vengeful or Prime Cultist limmed.
By the way, regarding 460, why is killing Primes better than killing a recruit?
They can recruit more if a Prime is killed but not if a recruit is.-
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I see.In post 503, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Just because I expect more than what she is giving so far.
She does seem more less involved in this game.
Though, she said that she had been busy IRL.-
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Unless you count that one time we spectated Open 846 together and Newbie which I spectated and furtive, I don't really have any experience with furtive.In post 514, Bellaphant wrote:Does anyone have any experience with furtives?
And TBH, in the Newbie, furtive was the first mislim of the game and was already eliminated by the time that I started spectating.
He did say that his reads changed a lot in the Day 1 of that Newbie. In the Spectator thread of that Newbie, Roden described him as having "just complained and AtE'd" when pushed as well as that if furtive had "scum hunted and not hard defended Whiskey", he "could've lived".
BBT was in that Newbie so he should have more experience than me with town!furtive.-
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