Good to see you again Tricks, Moonlight and Zephrus. Wait a minute!
Zephyrus
phyr
fyr
fire
Oooh BurnIn post 46, Moonlight wrote:If it was a joke, just treat your wagon as the punchline.
Yep. It was red hydra both times.In post 387, BoroPhil wrote:but was it different heads? that's what makes it impossible to follow. I have no problems with hydrasIn post 385, Randomnamechange wrote:OK, now 4 heads is threatening to policy lynch. Something they were complaining about.per se, but it's ridiculous that they are allowed to post like this.
Sorry, not really sure what this means.In post 652, The_Ascended wrote:Baezu
Not_Mafia
BoroPhil
randomidget/Moonlight
Moonlight/randomidget (about equally on the town half)
4 Heads of Insanity (honestly, about equal to them, too)
YurikoJasmine
Finglove
Zephyrus
tman2nd
idk
Tr1ckster
Something like this. But it doesn't feel right. Best I have right now, off of my casual catch-up. I'll need to do more later.
Sorry, but what does lack of conviction to scumhunting mean? Please can you show your examples. Similarly to The_Ascended, I start to get into my stride once we have one or two flips. I am starting to look at what certain flips would mean, but cant provide anything concrete yet. Also, it is slightly odd that you have more scum reads than town reads. And I think that your reads are very...conformist. If I wanted to stay low and not bring attention to myself those are very similar to the reads I would give.In post 666, Finglove wrote:My reads list, from town to scum:
Leaning town: Not_Mafia, Moonlight
Weak lean town: Boro, Baezu
Null: 4 Heads, The_Ascended (I find hydras pretty hard to read, but nothing in their posts has particularly alarmed me yet)
Leaning scum: idk (lurking), randommidget (lack of conviction in scumhunting), Yuriko (lurking, even taking V/LA into consideration)
Scumreads: Zephyrus, Tr1ckster (see previous post)
(Replacing out: tman2nd)
In post 668, Finglove wrote:Why don't we take that post?In post 667, Randomnamechange wrote: Sorry, but what does lack of conviction to scumhunting mean? Please can you show your examples.
Nobody can provide anything "concrete" day one, and everyone has more conviction following flips. What you mean is "I'm not happy sharing views based on such limited information", but we all have to do that to give us the greatest chance of catching scum. You don't get a free-pass at D1 just because you're not sure of anything. Nothing in that description shows why you should be behaving any different to the rest of us, if you are town. And now for some lacking conviction:Similarly to The_Ascended, I start to get into my stride once we have one or two flips. I am starting to look at what certain flips would mean, but cant provide anything concrete yet.
This is the sort of lacking conviction scum hunting I'm talking about. Let's take that sentence by sentence:Also, it is slightly odd that you have more scum reads than town reads. And I think that your reads are very...conformist. If I wanted to stay low and not bring attention to myself those are very similar to the reads I would give.
1) There are four scum in this game, and I have two stronger reads and three weaker reads, which feels right to me. I'm not going to townread more people just because there's more scum in the game, I townread people when I think they're town.
Fair point, but just out of interest what was your read on tman?
2) Why not just say "your reads are conformist, and I think you're scum" rather than hedging with all of your careful language and not actually challenging me. Similarly, I'm not going to change my reads because some of them are similar to other peoples', that would be a) disingenuous and b) detrimental to achieving a D1 lynch and c) obscuring the fact that some posts are quite objectively scummy.
I didn't say I thought you were scum. I was thinking that it was worth commenting on.
3) I hardly think you've elevated yourself above the parapet this game. See also comments in 2) about changing reads for whimsical reasons.
I have already stated that I jump my vote around a lot. Not really sure what the point is here.
Calm down Moonlight.In post 718, Moonlight wrote: I wish we could lynch both you and Tricks at the same time. Meanwhile, you should be considering me for a NK, because I won't rest until you're lynched with how you've been playing. And keep in mind that both teams might shoot me, resulting in me staying alive instead.
Good luck WIFOMing yourselves, scumfucks.
This doesn't ring right. Why does it only matter if Moon and NM don't fell we can get anything out of the day?In post 722, Baezu wrote:If NM and Moon feel we can't get anymore out of this day (cuz of lack of activity and whatnot) we could just end it early. I'm kind of feeling like it's stalled and we need a flip to get it going again
The majority of players have me in their top half.In post 732, The_Ascended wrote:I find Zeph's deviations from the more agreed-upon town and scum reads very interesting. Most of us put NM, Boro, and Baezu near the top. Also us and Moonlight. Zeph puts us, Baezu, and Moonlight at the bottom. No idea why he thinks we and Moonlight are scummy. Meanwhile, almost everyone puts Midget, IDK, and Trickster near the bottom.?
Because you were hoping to WIFOM them out of killing you in the belief that the other scum would also shoot you.In post 741, Moonlight wrote:Also, have fun providing reasoning as to how I would taunt the other team to shoot me if I was scum.
Welcome Glidderman and Nobody Special. I'm going to analyse the Night Kills later. I need to re-read to see who I want to lynch, but Tr1cks townflip works with a Zeph scumread still, and my ISO of him shows that I really wasn't paying attention in regards to how scummy he was playing. VOTE: Zephyrus Might as well get him to talk.In post 780, Mr Glidder wrote:Okay I'm a bit more into it now. First, elaborating scumreads:
randomidget:
- 40 and 47 are coattails fluff.
These were in the first 50 posts. I wasn't exactly going to be building any cases at this point
- 102: Poor vote. Supposedly not reading isn't alignment-indicative.
- 120 is a bunch of fence and middle-of-the-road opinions.
So I'mm scummy for having fairly standard opinions? That is very similar to one of the main reasons for voting Tricks and look where that got us
- 166 reminded me that 163 existed and was kinda lame.
- 276 came back from inactivity and...contrubites just about nothing.
- 402: "I think he's scum". Still no reasoning other than 276, which is just "I think he's scum" again.
I think a lot of my read on 4 heads was gut, which I should probably have explained. I'll admit my interactions with him have been weird
My town block would consist of you, me, Finglove, Mr Glidder and Boro.In post 807, Moonlight wrote:Continuing with more thoughts of mine: it's unlikely that Tricks' wagon was completely scum-free, it was a perfect chance for scum to get major towncred in case he was on the other scum team, and I believe that Baezu's push on Tricks counted on that.
It's really hard to scumread her based on her early D1 play, but her D2 intro was simply awful. She should know better than regarding me confTown at any point, and that me not getting NK'd could simply have come out of fear that a Doc would protect me, so no one bothered to shoot me. She jumped to the conclusion that I must be scum because of my intro, which I can't find anything bad about. I was scumreading Zeph and being wrong about Tricks made me re-examine all my reads, but I reached the same conclusion: that guy's not Town in this one.
Speaking of Tricks, I believe that the formation of a townblock was a huge threat to scum, and it's part of the reason I had second thoughts on 4 Heads (Viomi hated the idea). And right now, a good townblock is the only thing that can save us after the flip and NKs.
He doesn't need to do that. You can select to not have it shown that you are online. Also, in Newbie 1488 he was a bit of a lurker and town.In post 819, Moonlight wrote:I wasn't the popular wagon at any stage though.
Since Zeph shows no signs of life, I'll play devil's advocate for him. The one thing I can find in his defense is his absence.
If I was scum, even if I had to go V/LA, I would try my best to check the thread once in a while to see how my buddy is doing. Even if I trusted my buddy completely to not let Town lynch someone who's not responding, I'd still hate to leave something out of my control.
Zeph and I are different people of course, but the lack of his presence unsettles me when it comes to reading him, despite finding his play very scummy.
(This whole defense is moot if he is cunning enough to be checking the thread while logged out though.)
I reckon the doc protected you, as you, the_ascended and nm were the obvious targets.In post 807, Moonlight wrote:Continuing with more thoughts of mine: it's unlikely that Tricks' wagon was completely scum-free, it was a perfect chance for scum to get major towncred in case he was on the other scum team, and I believe that Baezu's push on Tricks counted on that.
It's really hard to scumread her based on her early D1 play, but her D2 intro was simply awful. She should know better than regarding me confTown at any point, and that me not getting NK'd could simply have come out of fear that a Doc would protect me, so no one bothered to shoot me. She jumped to the conclusion that I must be scum because of my intro, which I can't find anything bad about. I was scumreading Zeph and being wrong about Tricks made me re-examine all my reads, but I reached the same conclusion: that guy's not Town in this one.
Speaking of Tricks, I believe that the formation of a townblock was a huge threat to scum, and it's part of the reason I had second thoughts on 4 Heads (Viomi hated the idea). And right now, a good townblock is the only thing that can save us after the flip and NKs.
No one picks up on this switch from Moon being scum to moon being an extremely strong town read in one page when there suspicion on Moon starts getting them into trouble? Also diverting attention to Zeph by putting him at L-1. I smell diversionary tacticsIn post 813, Baezu wrote:Moon if you are somehow scum this game I'll never forgive myself
VOTE: zephyrus
damn that was a townie post. This more or less clears idk unless one of my other scum reads comes up with a good reason why they are town.In post 821, idk wrote:This is a surprisingly quiet game. Thought there would be a lot more posts in 2 days.
Holy shit that was forced. You seem to be trying waaaay too hard to get rid of Moonlight. Was it because your scum-buddy changed your NK at the last minute?In post 785, Baezu wrote:Hmmm. Why would they keep you alive moon? You're essentially conftown and that's a great nk for scum. The fact that you're still alive combined with the fact that you pointed it out in that first line throws up a red flag for me all over the place. Why do you think they kept you alive? Also, what's with the rapid vote out of the gate? Man that whole post reeks to me. It seems like it's coming from over cocky scum that thinks he can't get caught... :/
VOTE: moonlight
"Hi everybody, I haven't posted yet, but I agree, let's lynch the most town player here."In post 786, Nobody Special wrote:I tend to agree with Baezu. (Hey, first time for everything )
VOTE: Moonlight
What even just happened?
Real convincing case there, midget. I might have to vote myself after that one.In post 796, Randomnamechange wrote:randomidget
Finglove
Moonlight
BoroPhil
Mr Glidder
4 Heads of Insanity
Baezu
Zephyrus
Nobody Special
idk
Least scummy at the top, most at the bottom. I really don't like the way idk is flying under the radar.
To be honest, I don't think it really matters who their scumbuddy is at this stage in the game. As no scum has died yet, we're still in a position where we need to lynch the scummiest player. Once there's a scumflip, then we can try looking through interactions to find the other wolf, but until then, it's just wasting time.In post 810, Finglove wrote:I am still suspicious of Boro, but I agree I can't fit him with a partner at this stage. I'm happy with randommidget and moon as town, probably glidder as well. We all seem to share our strongest scum reads as Zeph and NS(yurikoslot) so should we go after one of them?
"I got shit for my vote, so lemme switch to a wagon."In post 813, Baezu wrote:Moon if you are somehow scum this game I'll never forgive myself
VOTE: zephyrus
Try clearing your cookies. Worked for me.In post 814, BoroPhil wrote:I am here, but I seem to be having problems logging in.
a) This seems like a genuine reaction from someone who thought for sure Tricky was scum.In post 814, BoroPhil wrote:Initial thoughts:
a) Tricky was town. WTF
b) Scum took out the best two players by far. Pretty lucky not to go for the same one though.
c) Finglove following Tricky's dying wishes is odd considering how badly he played (though if he was sick I guess I can understand him not wanting to put the effort in)
d) But what is odder is he picks out a Tricky post from 470 (May 5) and ignores Tricky's last post - 739, 13 days later. Surely Fingy, if you are happy to 'happy to follow a dead mans suggestion for now', why not his last post?
e) Tricky did look scummy, but before we speedlynch Zeph, surely worth noting that he was actually the only person confidently townreading him. So maybe we should listen to what he has to say.
oh and Fingy, in response to 783 - I've had a scum read on 4 Heads for most of the game - see 322 for example.
b) Why do you feel like you have to address the NK? Unless you're trying to figure out who would've wanted them dead, I see no reason to bring that up.
c)He stated that both TricksIn post 782, Finglove wrote:Other name that springs out is BoroPhil. Tricks and Ascended got worried about him at various points, and I was scumreading him a while back as Glidder pointed out. Let me just iso him...andAscended had a scumread on Boro, and also said he had a similar read on him earlier in the game. So it wasn't just Tricky.
d) Surely, Boro, if you had read, he was following not one, buttwodead men's wishes, as well as his own wish. Just sayin'.
e) I agree that speedlynching someone isn't a good idea, but take a look at Zeph's post. At the risk of sounding quite rude, I think he's either scum or has one of the worst town plays I have ever seen.
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So far there have been no posts from 4 Heads of Insanity or Zephyrus today. Let's get some activity from ya!
Now that I'm out of school, I should be able to make more posts. Sorry for the low activity Day 1!
OK, sorry about that. I really think we need lurkers to post, as we can't get information on them.In post 831, Finglove wrote:I hadn't voted for Zeph yet - it was idk. By the time I looked at it would have been hammer!
Eh we lynch Zeph today then we see who is scummier tomorrow.In post 847, Moonlight wrote:On that note, Boro was on that wagon too and he suggested a Baezu lynch instead of Zeph, so I'mveryconfident that there is exactly one scum whose username starts with B.
I just hope I've got the right one. >_>
I got nothing. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Baezu hammered Zeph though.In post 851, Moonlight wrote:Boro, if Baezu is scum, can you explain how you imagine her D2 play making sense if Zeph is not her buddy? What did she have to gain by wanting me gone instead of Zeph?
I will always believe in you Moon.In post 977, Moonlight wrote:Aaah, now we're talking. When did you catch me saying I consider myself good?In post 975, reinoe wrote:Correction near the end there..."good town players" don't do that crap. Especially not when they're repeatedly told that it doesn't mean anything without flips.
I used what makes the difference in this setup. Unlike other setups, what separates Town and scum is the knowledge of the alignment of ONE more person, not the whole list of players. So excuse me for trying to apply associative tells on a slot that I can't possibly see Town motivation behind. If it makes me bad, so be it. It's what I considered the right thing to do.
And I'm going to do it now too: I said that your buddy is either smart, or you're Town. I completely forgot that 4 Heads were absent on D2, and they were on Tricks' wagon too. It fits.
But too little too late, I don't expect to convince enough people and I'm surprised I'm still being townread by some to be honest. =/
This is assuming Moon's guessed team is correct.In post 981, reinoe wrote:So, despite the fact that you have no basis for making a team of players, and despite every lynch so far has been a mislynch, why don't you explain how you came to those teams. If you're going to waste time trying to make associative tells, I might as well hold your feet to the fire and make you justify your reasoning. Go ahead randomidget: explain to everyone in the class how you came up with these teams despite absolutely no scum flips this game.In post 980, Randomnamechange wrote:If only I had the ability to shoot every other player and win the game.