Open 587 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote sup zero

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wow I got ninja'd.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey so who are we voting?

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is scary in any number of ways. First that you think you can sort ABR's play. I can't imagine being able to do that. Second, that you think we should trust you enough to do it. But I'm looking forward to your ABR reads anyway.

Greetings Textcat! Looking forward to a game with you

[Albert B. Rampage]

Should we consolidate on possible vengeshot targets in the event that we mislynch, or let the townie do as they will?

The freedom to choose.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Astinus

Let's shake things up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote vettrock

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

You wanted to pressure!wagon ABR, and now suddenly the wagon is "too fast"? Your wagon hopping is what's too fast.

Someone remind me why we're not lynching this.

We still can.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't mind being lynched, I like to vig kill.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not very good at it, but it gives me a sense of control over the game state.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I see this as town. I think you should live bby <3

I AM town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Teapot

[Albert B. Rampage]

All I know is that Teapot is awfully scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ Teapot -

No more shenanigans please. Your credibility is waning fast.

If you're a hyper-verbal smart person like me, who maybe, you know, started playing this game to test out his logical prowress and mind reading capabilities, then this will be a bitter pill to swallow - the reality that you can't catch scum with meta research, that playstyle gambits don't work, and that nobody is enough of a mafia god to leave things "until later" without explaining themselves and still maintain their clout in the town. If you've gotten away with this stuff in other towns, I congratulate you, but if you won those games it was despite these tactics, not because of them. They don't actually work. They brew darkness and distrust. They make it difficult for town to recognize one another. And I promise you, they don't work. There's too many variables. Always. You'll never imbibe fully the context of the games you are studying, because you weren't there. You won't feel the weight of time, of uncertainty, of your own ass on the line. And even if you could, it wouldn't help you. Meta is too malleable. Your eyes will cherry pick the narratives they want. Always. No matter how enthusiastic, hyper-obsessive, and method actor-esque your process becomes, you will find yourself back at square one, in conflict with other players for untestable, personality driven reasons. Which is fine, because that's what happens anyways. But what you

can

do is comport yourself with a humble, productive demeanor, intelligible to other players, and immersed fully in the tug and pull of the town's multitudinal pressures. To withdraw from that matrix of constant, incessant, infuriating feedback because you fancy yourself an ivory tower guru, capable of piecing together the full puzzle from a bird's eye view while the masses thrash about, only to descend later with the scum's name etched out in tablets, is a very serious, hubris-laden mistake. It has the added flaw of preventing me from trusting you, which is an even graver error.

I think it has become convenient again for you to be on ABR's wagon, possibly because y'all have daytalk and Albert-scum loves to be bussed. I think you're good at planning your posts to simulate a gradual change of perspective over time.

vote Teapot

OUTSTANDING

[Albert B. Rampage]

So much WIFOM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Astinus and Teapot are my two suspects.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Albert B. Rampage

Let's go. Time to give me the vig shot. I love being a hero.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I always coast D1 and then get more engaged with the game D2 onwards. That's what I do in every game as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unless I take notice of something that convinced me someone is scum. But since that hasn't happened this game yet, do you really want to trust me with the kill?

Unvote, vote Teapot

[Albert B. Rampage]

Right now, only vettrock would be safe from my hypothetical vig kill. Everyone else is fair game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

On my wagon

[Albert B. Rampage]

How am I intentionally doing that?

[Albert B. Rampage]

you vig shot wouldn't be more accurate than anyone else, and town would be better off lynching scum rather than town.

Exactly, so why would you want to lynch me?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't have a solid grasp on this game yet. I'm reading, thinking, and it will take time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not scum. Why do you have tunnel vision on me? How is it more likely that I'm scum than anyone else in the game?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote Teapot

After all of the talk between the two, I believe that ARB is a Townie who wants control of that night one venge kill, in order to kill who they thing is Scum. I'll be voting Tea instead, for all of the reasons mentioned previously, committing to this course of action, for now.

whoo WHOO

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you don't want me to settle in and get comfortable with the game, then you can place your vote on me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I mean, I think Teapot's play speaks for itself here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Teaspot much more scummy than me, BBmolla.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Teapot has been acting more and more scummy as the day went on. From his unreasonable confidence, to his trying to bully archaebob to putting me in danger of a hammer, to his setting up future lynches.

Will someone please explain to me what I have done that is more scummy than the three things above?

[Albert B. Rampage]

If ABR flips town I'd recommend him to shoot you

This isn't any reasonable thing that town would say.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm sick and tired of Teapot strongarming his or her way to decide what's good for this town. Once he or she settled on me as the designated mislynch, he's not entertained a scumhunting thought or doubt to overturn his vote because he decided that he's committed to it. If archaebob does vote me, I may very well kill him because I don't think he would be convinced that I'm scum and Teapot is town, based on what has happened. Bob should be better than that and placing his vote correctly, unless it's to his advantage to get rid of me because he fears me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Help me lynch Teapot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

archaebob, I thought DGB was scum for self-voting here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=60004

She was town.

Same thing here with me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Albert, holding DGB up as an example of what normal people do is a sign of irrationality or desperation.

I have the same playstyle as her. We're friends.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, could you link to some of your scumgames?

Check my wiki.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Same as textcat with regards to Droog.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'd like to mention that BBmolla has personal reasons for voting me due to a bitterness he has never let go of.

[Albert B. Rampage]

^ extremely scummy

Unvote, vote Herodotus

[Albert B. Rampage]

archaebob, read the game spoilers you dummy.

Vote: Sup Zero

[Albert B. Rampage]

And PM me when you read this so we can join another game together, I miss your gamesmanship.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well I'm killing Sup Zero unless anyone has any objections.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Because nobody objects.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think everyone is pretty much okay with you dying. Do you disagree?

[Albert B. Rampage]

vote: rampage

[Albert B. Rampage]

Now that my towniness is no longer in question, my biggest decision will be to choose who to kill. I think vettrock, sup zero or texcat. Those are the three that stand out the most to me as scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sup zero do you think vettrock or texcat is scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well, alright. I'll give you a pass if you say you're sorry for voting for me, and you carry on tomorrow trying to lynch texcat for me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think he made a lot of excuses and tried to soft push me so I wouldn't kill him. Can you apologize without laughing though?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who do you suspect the most now?

[Albert B. Rampage]

That is a terrible suspicion. I'm sorry if you're town, Sup-Zero, I'm going to have to shoot you. Your play has been the scummiest out of everyone, and although I think vet and texcat are your buddies, I only have this one bullet left.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's 6 to lynch after archaebob voted, I hammered myself Hero.

[Albert B. Rampage]

died, not voted.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It looks like you voted for archaebob, realized he looked too townie, and then hammered him to get rid of a loose end and frame me with the same stone. Your reads and suspicions are all wrong. Your interactions with texcat and vet look like you're buddies.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oops. I thought we started with 13. I think you missed that pisskop unvoted; I'm the one who hammered.

Wait, so you hammered me after I thought that I self-hammered and that didn't scream scum to you? You're back on the list of suspects, then.

[Albert B. Rampage]

scream town*

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum are in texcat, sup zero, hero and vetrock.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good game!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Day 1 I already had 2/3 of the scum team.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You played well, Herodotus.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It was a good decision, you were right and quite flattering when you said that town should lynch me because I had the best vengekill

[Albert B. Rampage]

vengekiller