Open 587 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[Morgan]

V/LA on weekends.

VOTE: Sup-Zero

Reasons later.

[Morgan]

The "better vote" in 10 made no sense. I'd like to hear Sup-Zero's explanation for that.

Dislike Teapot's weak push on Zymf, but I'm assuming it was just reaction testing as implied in 38. Is that right, Teapot? How do you feel about Zymf now?

I have townleans on Zymf, TheCow, droog, Astinus. Veeery weak townlean on texcat.

slimer takes a while to get going so that's whatever, ABR is unusually quiet, and archaebob is 100% useless.

vettrock, why are you still parked on a vote you didn't even decide for yourself?

Question for townies only:

Should we consolidate on possible vengeshot targets in the event that we mislynch, or let the townie do as they will?

[Morgan]

T

vettrock, why are you still parked on a vote you didn't even decide for yourself?

Question for townies only:

Should we consolidate on possible vengeshot targets in the event that we mislynch, or let the townie do as they will?

Because no one has given me a better reason. I could pick someone else at random, but that wouldn't be any better.

Well, nobody's going to spoonfeed you a scumread.

Who are you suspicious of > and why > vote for them > ask questions > repeat until dead or something scummier appears elsewhere.

[Morgan]

@Morgan, He's weak town for now. It's too early too build solid reads, it was as you said a newbie reaction test. Also, how are you town reading droog's comments when they are fluff and irrelevant?

I have a weak townread on him for 18.

No comment on my Astinus townread? You're voting for her.

The "better vote" in 10 made no sense. I'd like to hear Sup-Zero's explanation for that.

I told my other head about my experience with Astinus and suggested that we wagon her.

What made it a better vote?

Does the second lynch idea not appease anyone..?

Which one?

slimer is talking about using the vengeshot as a second lynch, as in we all decide on it.

[Morgan]

@ everyone -

Quick survey.

1) How many games have you played on this site?
2) How old are you in real life?
3) What's the coolest thing you've ever seen on the internet? Where can I find it?

1) Plenty.
2) No comment.
3) Nothing I like is cool. Probably.

I'm not going to comment everything, but now you say; it how's he town?

I'm not asking for everything. I just thought it was strange you felt the need to comment on my droog read when he wasn't really relevant to you at that particular moment.

To be honest my read of her is sort of stagnating. I was trying to decide if as scum, she'd try to crank up the derpage (forgetting this was a Nightless game when it's in the title). So scratch that.

@Morgan and @theslimer3.

I see that your pronoun is listed as They are you a hydra?

I am not a hydra. I just prefer neutrality.

[Morgan]

Hm. So far, Teapot has:

- attacked someone who is likely newbtown
- gave up after two posts of "pressure" and claims it was a reaction test, looks a little backtrack-y
- calls out droog on playing differently with no real follow-up or pressure
- asks Astinus a leading question about droog
- focuses on my town!droog read, but not on the townread of mine he's currently voting
- asks droog a vague throwaway question instead of actually pushing him
- says he's not going to comment on everything when I ask him why he questioned me on droog but not Astinus -- feels slightly defensive, as I really only asked him one question
- asks for more activity/pushes/content, but he himself isn't really pushing the people he should be or has claimed to want content from (droog being the main example)
- wants to wagon lurkers like ABR and droog, but makes no mention of archaebob (all he's really posted is a short survey that doesn't appear to have any immediate relevancy)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Teapot

[Morgan]

Oh, and Teapot is also pushing for other people to start the lurker wagon for him, making it look like he's attempting to sidestep being responsible for it. Forgot to add that.

[Morgan]

Oh, and Teapot is also pushing for other people to start the lurker wagon for him, making it look like he's attempting to sidestep being responsible for it. Forgot to add that.

I'm generally of the opinion that town tends to lurk a bit more during the beginning, and scum lurks more later in the game.

What's your point?

[Morgan]

So you think Teapot is pushing a mislynch, if you believe early lurkers are town.

[Morgan]

So you think Teapot is pushing a mislynch, if you believe early lurkers are town.

Early lurkers tend towards town, is not the same a saying early lurkers ARE town. I could very well be a mislynch, but I don't think we are at that point yet.

All of your opinions (and posts, for that matter) feel really safe and reserved so far.

What do you think of the current wagons?

[Morgan]

Sure you are. It's easy.

Why don't you vote me and ask me questions?

[Morgan]

Sure you are. It's easy.

Why don't you vote me and ask me questions?

Fine. I'm not one to turn down a challenge.

Who you you think is town? And scum and why?
VOTE: Morgan

I don't feel like sharing my townreads right now. I'm still working on those.

You already know who I think is scum and why. All you did was make comments about the alignments of potential lurkers and complain about there not being content while simultaneously not producing content.

B-

for effort, but you can ask better questions than that.

Need to reread a bit and get a feel for what others are doing, but at a glance I could probably go for vettrock. I think I'd rather lynch Teapot. I'll sleep on it.

[Morgan]

texcat: "I see two credible cases and I have townreads on the people who made those cases, but I'm going to doubtcast both of them and attempt to redirect attention from loud scum to quiet scum."

Did I really just read that.

And why Cow in particular?

[Morgan]

You say you like the cases, but you are deliberately trying to pass off the scummy people as simply loud instead of scum.

Walk me through your post.

[Morgan]

Ugh, a lurker wagon. It burns.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: vettrock

Tied at L-2.

[Morgan]

Oh, just kidding. L-3.

[Morgan]

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

You wanted to pressure!wagon ABR, and now suddenly the wagon is "too fast"? Your wagon hopping is what's too fast.

Someone remind me why we're not lynching this.

[Morgan]

Can we wagon a lurker like ABR/Droog?
Where are the prods?

So you think Teapot is pushing a mislynch, if you believe early lurkers are town.

Nope, it's a pressure wagon. We vote somebody so they get bck in here and post, them we change votes. It useless doing it on my own hence I waited to look if other supported the idea.

So uh, VOTE: ABR
His play so far isn't town.

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

You know what's missing from this sequence of events? ABR responding to the pressure Teapot wanted to put him under, and is now disbanding for no reason.

[Morgan]

slimer, why so useless?

[Morgan]

Also,

UNVOTE:

[Morgan]

Morgan where do you stand on texcat? I think she's a pretty reliable scum hit but I noticed that you let her go. What's up?

I was satisfied with 170 enough to let her be for a bit. Plus, she's attempting to revive the Teapot wagon, which tickled me pink.

There are bigger fish to fry, unless you want to convince me that she should be prioritized.

My biggest issue right now is that one of my top townreads left both texcat and vettrock alone, so I'm thinking that I missed something somewhere along the way since that's where my focus is at.

We can only lynch one scumspect at a time. It's no secret whom I'd prefer to hang toDay.

[Morgan]

Forgot to add, the speed of the vettrock wagon made me ponder.

[Morgan]

I'm mostly talking about ABR's and Teapot's vote.

[Morgan]

If my top scumspect hops on a wagon, I'm going to pause that shit and rethink things.

[Morgan]

I must ask you, I may be scummy to you, however am I worse than ABR? I suggest you vote him and join me for now, lets clear away a publicly held read. Lets face it, if ABR flips scum your read on me probaly will change slightly, if he flips town you may proceed to doubt me.
I honestly think that scum are redirecting to me, ABR's death will prove this. So if ABR flips town, we'll have 2 very town players; Me and Vett.

What's the better option?

>if ABR flips town you may doubt me
>if ABR flips town I will be one of two very towny players

I

cannot

believe this is an actual post.

VOTE: Teapot

Also, if you're going to townread someone for something you can't legally state in the thread, then don't bring it up. Either you're bending the rules or trying to get out of explaining a read on someone you, as scum, would already know is town.

[Morgan]

Oh, BBmolla is going to be one of those replacements who storms in, says everything is dumb because wine, and then expects to be listened to. Charming.

My read on Cow has gotten stale over the years.

[Morgan]

Like. I think you're town and everything, but your obnoxiousness is making me want to ignore you. That's all.

[Morgan]

Why did you read Cow as scum after two posts?

[Morgan]

Fluff posts aren't really alignment-indicative unless there's meta to back it up.

[Morgan]

You remind me of Antihero.

This is going to be fun.

[Morgan]

I quickslotted him for a reason I don't feel like sharing, because in hindsight, it sucks.

(It was for admitting to newbie lurking instead of trying to convince us he wasn't lurking.)

[Morgan]

Pop quiz.

ABR is town and intentionally letting himself get lynched for the vengeshot: y/n.

[Morgan]

At least I have actual reasons for scumreading him.

[Morgan]

Her? Them?

I don't know.

[Morgan]

That was to BBmolla, whose argument consists of "would newbscum really do this?"

Which is half wrong, half wine.

[Morgan]

But like

I still don't see Teapot as scum

Show me?

I did give reasons before you replaced in.

[Morgan]

@Teapot: If you're going to play to your win condition, and you're town, shouldn't you tell who your main account is? Then we can read you better and know you're town. Hiding your meta only helps you if you're scum. Would you agree?

Please excuse the Garcia violation, but this is a dumb request and renders the alt account useless.

@Morgan: What are your thoughts on 330? Are you still voting Teapot for what they claim was a typo? Because they gave a townread based on secret reasons? Or something else?

I did list reasons for scum!Teapot before the typo. A mistake in one post doesn't make the rest of the reasons go away.

I don't know what to think about the ABR wagon. I've played in a few games with him, but never when he was scum, if I'm recalling correctly. He always feels like an easily justifiable wagon. I will admit that this time around he isn't as wild or "in your face."

ABR, could you link to some of your scumgames?

[Morgan]

You could try using words besides "do not get."

[Morgan]

@Morgan: Right, you did make that case. I forgot about that because I was doing an ISO of teapot.
What's a Garcia violation? Regardless, let Teapot answer their own questions, please

Answering a question not directed at me before the person does.

I figured since it was sort of an OOG question, it wouldn't ruin any sort of pressure you were hoping to apply or something.

Sorry about that.

[Morgan]

No worries. I still want Tea to answer.

Morgan, some of your case on Teapot is based on interactions that don't seem right, and my interpretation of the implication is that he might be buddies with Droog, who is now pisskop. You gave Droog some town credit for an early post, but how do you feel about pisskop at this time?

pisskop isn't doing anything for me one way or the other.

I thought Teapot's focus on droog was weird, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're buddies.

Since there are only two days left, I'd be willing to switch over to ABR if Teapot is out of the question.

[Morgan]

I quickslotted him for a reason I don't feel like sharing, because in hindsight, it sucks.

(It was for admitting to newbie lurking instead of trying to convince us he wasn't lurking.)

Dodging? Me?

[Morgan]

ABR has all my love.

I'll get back into this game either later tonight or tomorrow.

[Morgan]

Herodotus, explain why I should care about those post numbers.

[Morgan]

Stop using log in times to determine in-game behavior.

Morgan, which of my comments on Vett's ISO do you agree with? Which do you disagree with?

In 158, I don't feel like that's how one responds to a scum-buddy, so you get town credit.

Okay.

Vettrock 184 is a very OMGUSy response to Teapot, which makes me like Teapot.

How was it OMGUSy? vettrock complained and tried to shift attention back to ABR.

I don't feel any particular way about the rest of your points.

Another question for townies:

What do you think of scum!Sup-Zero?

[Morgan]

VOTE: Sup-Zero

A nudge here, a poke there.

[Morgan]

Prod dodge! Slimey content later. Also ask me questions pls

Is Sup-Zero scum, y/n?

[Morgan]

Sup wagon is pretty garbage just by who is pushing it.

This is literally all you ever have to say about wagons. Give me a reason to care about your posts.

[Morgan]

Also, @Morgan, what are your thoughts on Tea? You were the original Teapot voter, weren't you?

Still don't see how Teapot is town. I'd happily switch back over.

[Morgan]

Considering that most of the people pushing me are basing their suspicions on hopes and dreams, I'd say that it's not too far from the truth.

Do you disagree with his assessment or what?

What assessment? 599?

Sup wagon is pretty garbage just by who is pushing it.

This is literally all you ever have to say about wagons. Give me a reason to care about your posts.

You don't have to care about them. I'm just giving my thoughts, take em or leave em.

That's incredibly unhelpful. If you're not going to give reasons, or anything to make me rethink my opinions outside of "you're wrong," then I will always choose to leave your thoughts in the dust. This is both a team game and a game of manipulation, in case you forgot.

[Morgan]

Is lurking a tell for slimer? I've only had one town game with them.

[Morgan]

Oh, it's a Green Crayons.

I'm going to be busy this weekend but I'll try to post/reply to stuff tonight before I disappear.

[Morgan]

Headache. Don't really feel like doing anything.

I'm inclined to let Teapot's slot be town and could get behind a slimer lynch. I'll sleep on it.

Mod: mild V/LA until Sunday, possibly Monday.

[Morgan]

vettrock probably mentioned slimer because it'd be weird to call out some lurkers but not others.

VOTE: slimer

Should be the third vote or something.

[Morgan]

Oh fuck me, I forgot I was in this game.

I am so sorry. Catching up now.

[Morgan]

Wait, what are we doing? Listing our top three suspects by popcorning?

[Morgan]

Titus
Herodotus
pisskop

There's no particular order, and since I'm last I suppose it doesn't even matter.

[Morgan]

I had to quickly reskim the game to even remember what I thought of everyone and decided I didn't find him as scummy.

I may do another reread later, weekends are busy for me.

[Morgan]

Sigh. I wasn't that suspicious of texcat, but given the complete lack of defense and the game stalling...

Intent to hammer.

texcat, anything to say?

[Morgan]

I'm back. I did have a V/LA posted until last night. And didn't you just disappear for a while, Morgan? Can you explain your reasons for voting me? And can you explain what happened to your Teapot/Green Crayons suspicions?

1) I apologize, I didn't see a V/LA notice in the votals.
2) Yes.
3) I haven't voted you. You were at L-1 and people stopped posting. At the absolute least, stating intent to hammer is a good way to get people to respond, regardless of whether or not I actually intend to follow through.
4) See below:

I'm inclined to let Teapot's slot be town and could get behind a slimer lynch. I'll sleep on it.

@Morgan:

Sigh. I wasn't that suspicious of texcat, but given the complete lack of defense and the game stalling...

This is a lame excuse to vote texcat.

Who is your ideal vote?

I don't really have one. I don't want to lynch you. Titus can be crafty and hard to read but this looks like her townplay. Sup-Zero is meh but nobody was interested in that wagon so for the sake of narrowing down the lynch pool, I'll say town.

That's the best I've got.