Open 622 - Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Karnage]

I'm gonna read that as null. I find it hard to believe scum would be that oblivious.

Well yeah, I was joking and I presume arma was too.

VOTE: persivul for being presumptuous. Do you make a habit of speaking for others?

[Karnage]

It's random

I got lynched once D1 for using the dice button to randomly select a person to vote for in RVS. I get the idea that a vote that is truly random is scummy because it allows somebody to vote without putting their neck on the line a little but I was town when I was lynched so I'm not sure what to make of this.

[Karnage]

VOTE: Karnage

Kop, was this random too?

[Karnage]

It's random

I got lynched once D1 for using the dice button to randomly select a person to vote for in RVS. I get the idea that a vote that is truly random is scummy because it allows somebody to vote without putting their neck on the line a little but I was town when I was lynched so I'm not sure what to make of this.

Why are you making something out of nothing at all? Seems like you're just trying to look active while not actually helping the town.
For now;
VOTE: Karnage

Not worried about looking active. I am legitimately unsure of what to think of a truly random vote. I'd lean towards it being scummy but I've done it myself as town which is why i'm unsure. What do you think?

[Karnage]

Persivul- Your very active style of play makes you look towny. People are just scared that if you are scum then it will be hard to call you out later with your style of play. Like in the game I played with you before, you made it through the whole game without anyone questioning you as scum at all.

Was persuval scum in the game you are referring to?

[Karnage]

I think you're overthinking "random."

you are probably right

[Karnage]

Do you want a five paragraph essay on why you're scum based on the first 4 pages?

Or perhaps a comparison showing the pot calling the kettle black?

VOTE: Ricastle

No, but I know a buffoon when I see one. Think about it. What possible motivation is there as any alignment to vote an IC? That's right - reaction testing to catch out people such as yourself. If you honestly think that the contents of said test are solid enough ground to place a vote/scumread then you are either extremely naive town or extremely gullible scum. And considering you have done nothing but take the easy path thus far I'm going to go with the latter until a better lead presents itself.

So if it was a reaction test, what was your rubric for what is a town reaction versus a non-town reaction?

PUMPED. This is my first game in a year or so.

Give me a second to read up.

welcome back, its my first game in a long time too. I think we've played together before once?

[Karnage]

UNVOTE:
read through everything again and I'm getting a town feel for ricastle and persivul

VOTE: snarkysnowman
his reasoning on ricastle is weak but he is trying to inflate his case by implying there is more there than there actually is

[Karnage]

Prod dodging for new years. VOTE: Ricastle

votes for Ricastle but no reason given. I think it was RVS

Anyone can have balls, Percivul. One for each time they call the landlord to fix the taps.

VOTE: Kop

Voting IC after mod confirmed IC?

Oh, I know what Kop is. I was just confused as there didn't seem to be a player with the initials 'IC' in the game. Thanks for clearing that up.

Uhhhhhhhh

Can people just invent a reason for voting me, please? RVS when gone wrong brings nothing to the table, as we can see here.

Because of the above.

Here he clearly says that Ricastle is scummy because he voted for the IC (no mention of any fishing or reaction test)

I'm tired of lurkers. Snarky has made 8 posts in other games since his one post here.
UNVOTE: Ricastle
VOTE: Snarky

All new year prod dodges though. But I'm back!

Also it should be noted that he becomes active 4 hours or so after persivul votes him being a lurker

Do you want a five paragraph essay on why you're scum based on the first 4 pages?

Or perhaps a comparison showing the pot calling the kettle black?

VOTE: Ricastle

No, but I know a buffoon when I see one. Think about it. What possible motivation is there as any alignment to vote an IC? That's right - reaction testing to catch out people such as yourself. If you honestly think that the contents of said test are solid enough ground to place a vote/scumread then you are either extremely naive town or extremely gullible scum. And considering you have done nothing but take the easy path thus far I'm going to go with the latter until a better lead presents itself.

Did you look in a mirror?

I knew you were probably fishing for reactions but that felt pretty scummy / not town-motivated to me. Hence the vote.

in #97 he revoted ricastle which to me reinforces my belief that his initial vote was an RVS vote. Then in #112 he is now saying the vote for ricastle was because he was fishing for reactions.

If you knew it was a reaction test and you thought it was scummy why didn't you call him out on it in post #78?

[Karnage]

Aight, Ricastle earlier didn't seem very town motivated. This definitely isn't town motivated.

VOTE: Lowell

And really we do need more activity.

UNVOTE: snarkysnowman this post feels very townish to me

This game is dying. Let's quicklynch someone.

UNVOTE: whoever I'm voting
VOTE: snarky

I don't fully see the case here, but I don't

not

see the case. As good as anything. I'll also accept ricastle (who is sad that I caught him so easily) or Armageddon (who asks silly questions to look like he's participating.

LYNCH!

@Kop-
I am indeed trying to look pro-town and like I'm doing something.

@Ricastle-
Um, kind of serious? I would vote for snarky, sure. He's mostly null to me, but why not? He could easily be scum.

So ricastle and armageddon are your top scum reads but you are ok with lynching a null read? Do you have strong town reads on anybody? Who wouldn't you consider voting for?

[Karnage]

Hello, why do your reads suddenly shift to the focus of pressure?

Could you elaborate on this for me? you know, with examples?

lol did you see his quick unvote after a null post of snarky? i literally lol'd.

The post just seemed very rational to me. If he were scum I would have expected a more animated response to try and redirect attention off himself and onto lowell.

[Karnage]

I could go for Karnage, but I think that it would make more sense for him to have switched the way he did if he was bussing.

Who am I supposedly bussing?

[Karnage]

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

[Karnage]

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

jmo isn't voting me

Hello, why do your reads suddenly shift to the focus of pressure?

Could you elaborate on this for me? you know, with examples?

lol did you see his quick unvote after a null post of snarky? i literally lol'd.

The post just seemed very rational to me. If he were scum I would have expected a more animated response to try and redirect attention off himself and onto lowell.

Why did you expect that?

Because I think if I were scum in a similar situation its probably how I would have acted.

I don't see the ration in his post. It's like "this earlier was scum. but like, THIS is the scumlord. WE ALSO NEED MORE ACTIVITY"

I guess I just read it different than you did. You think wanting more activity is scummy?

I don't like Zulfy either, mind you. Votes on the largest wagon (which is not scummy on its own btw) and then goes searching for a reason to justify it? That doesn't look good to me. He's also unusually interested in the Mafia's options (and he wasn't there at the start. I think this could be a traitor signal if traitor knows what scum chose, or even if they don't- seems very concerned with the traitor right now.

Mod; does the traitor know what the mafia chose?

)

I'm null on Zulfy - if that's him throwing up a signal maybe this is you relaying the signal to your partner?

[Karnage]

Who am I supposedly bussing?

I think it's important that you explicitly state who you think I am bussing

[Karnage]

Who am I supposedly bussing?

I think it's important that you explicitly state who you think I am bussing

Nevermind. I'm an idiot. I was waiting for you to say snarky then i was going to ask how me, snarky, and Lowell could all be scum but I forgot about the mafia traitor.

[Karnage]

...wait, what? You forgot about the traitor's existence, and therefore you assumed there were two scum in

13P

? No, that doesn't sound right to me at all.

I'm pretty sure the only people who would naturally assume there are only two scum would be those who see only two players in their scumchat.

VOTE: Karnage

or it was an honest mistake.

should I be voting you because you don't know how many players are in the game?

[Karnage]

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

Meh, I'm starting to listen to him.

Ok, then I'll ask you the same question I asked mario (that he won't answer):

Hello, why do your reads suddenly shift to the focus of pressure?

Could you elaborate on this for me? you know, with examples?

[Karnage]

VOTE: Karnage

I'm with Mario on this one. It feels like he's just been sheeping popular town sentiment in an effort to hide or seem useful. At the very least, It'd be nice to know what his scumreads are since after unvoting Snarky, it doesn't really seem like he has any.

I'd be down for Lowell or Snarky, but personally Karnage seems more likely to be scum at this point.

Here is what I think of everybody:

Town:

persivul
ricastle
armageddon
gendaberry

Null:

macrell
zulfy, (neither he nor macrell has really said enough to from much of an opinion)
snarky (found him scummy earlier but as I've already said I got a town feel from that one post so I'd call him null)

Scum?:

mario (voted a slight scum read on persivul but has had tunnel vision for me ever since 55, doesn't seem to have any other reads)
jmo (voted/unvoted mario without ever commenting on either, don't think he's really done anything to help find scum but expects others to)

???:

lowell (I have no idea what to make of him)

Since you are "with mario on this one", maybe you can answer my question:

Hello, why do your reads suddenly shift to the focus of pressure?

Could you elaborate on this for me? you know, with examples?

[Karnage]

VOTE: mariomaniac

I think he is scum and that jmo is his partner. zulfy is the mafia traitor.

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda,

jmo

. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

Why is he so sure that jmo is voting me when jmo wasn't voting for anybody at the time? my guess is mafia have daytalk and jmo said he would vote me but hadn't had the chance yet.

I don't like Zulfy either, mind you.

I still like you babe

Votes on the largest wagon (which is not scummy on its own btw) and then goes searching for a reason to justify it? That doesn't look good to me.

Didn't do that +1

He's also unusually interested in the Mafia's options (and he wasn't there at the start. I think

this could be a traitor signal

if traitor knows what scum chose, or even if they don't- seems very concerned with the traitor right now.

Mod; does the traitor know what the mafia chose?

)

LAMIST +1

Good question

tho and thank you mod for answering it

I think a traitor signal is exactly what it was and this was Mario's answer to it. Zulfy then responded in the affirmative to complete the communication.

call it OMGUS, I don't care. This wouldn't be the first time I was mislynched on Day 1.

Mario, if I'm scum, who is my partner? who is the traitor. You have had a total of 3 reads this entire game so far: Persivul as scum early, me as scum, and you "don't like Zulfy", Is everybody else town?

[Karnage]

I don't think much of him, I'm null on every single player in the game right now.

when you are the only player in the game that knows who all three scum are you don't have to have any reads I guess

Simply because he's the one with the most scumpings, btw, MarioManiac

can you list what these "scumpings" were/are?

[Karnage]

Every +1 is a scumping

As an aside, I find the IC to be a pretty damn useful role. Scum have to waste a kill on it eventually, so I'm glad we got it.

My first ping +1

I don't like Zulfy either, mind you.

I still like you babe

Votes on the largest wagon (which is not scummy on its own btw) and then goes searching for a reason to justify it? That doesn't look good to me.

Didn't do that +1

He's also unusually interested in the Mafia's options (and he wasn't there at the start. I think this could be a traitor signal if traitor knows what scum chose, or even if they don't- seems very concerned with the traitor right now.

Mod; does the traitor know what the mafia chose?

)

LAMIST +1

im still looking karnage/arm/zulfy

At least one scum is in that group.

+1, I just don't like the type of motivation that would result in this post being made.
Why the need to assert so definitive like that so early? I feel like you're trying to show off how aggressive you plan on being to earn towncread.

Arm and zulfy slots haven't provided much information. Which, isn't a scum tell, but they aren't exactly scum hunting either.

Not sure about Arm but I'm doing my best to fill these pages up with magenta

Just to organize here +1 on Karnage.

I'd keep my vote on the guy with the "highest score" (Mario) but that's apparently a scumslip so it goes there for now

so you read mario, jmo and myself as scum? everybody else is town?

[Karnage]

Why are we discussing the possibilities of the traitor actually being in the game? I read the first post and it looks like an option that can be chosen, it doesn't actually mean that it is in the game.

Or am I reading into it all wrong?

traitor is 100% in the game. The option was whether the mafia would recruit him night 0.

[Karnage]

Who am I supposedly bussing?

I think it's important that you explicitly state who you think I am bussing

Nevermind. I'm an idiot. I was waiting for you to say snarky then i was going to ask how me, snarky, and Lowell could all be scum but I forgot about the mafia traitor.

Karnage was going to ask how I could think three people were scum. This implies that he believed the scumteam consisted of less than 3 people. He corrects himself by remembering the existance of a traitor.

What townie would assume there were two scum in a 12P if they forgot a traitor existed, let alone a townie with multiple years on-site experience?

Obviously, the traitor isn't mentioned in the other scum's role PMs, and isn't in their PT. This would make it easy for one of those two scum to forget there was a traitor and

then

assume there were only two scum. This is the only standpoint from which his assumption makes sense.

I do have experience on this site though this is my first game in a couple years. But don't you think, that if I was scum, I would have just dropped things after 206 and I had remembered about the traitor? Why would I have admitted it by posting #208?

[Karnage]

You wanted to end that line of questioning after you lost the punchline so you wouldn't have to awkwardly drop it later.

But let's say you're town. Why did you think there was only two scum?

Most of the games I've played here have been newbie games so I guess I just defaulted to that. I don't know really though.

And I think it would have been pretty easy to hand wave away that line of questioning if i was scum.

[Karnage]

And do you not think Scum would have recruited the traitor, to give themselves a better chance?

If I were scum I probably wouldn't. It wouldn't be worth giving the town another PR. The traitor knows who else is scum and will help them regardless of being recruited. And if he's lynched by accident (in scums view) it will only make them look more town.

[Karnage]

Traitor is one-shot bullet proof if he isn't recruited

[Karnage]

im still looking karnage/arm/zulfy

At least one scum is in that group.

Arm and zulfy slots haven't provided much information. Which, isn't a scum tell, but they aren't exactly scum hunting either.

why haven't you placed your vote on one of the three you listed?

What are your reads on everybody else?

what was the reasoning for your voting/unvoting mariomaniac earlier in the day?

[Karnage]

persivul, what is it about jmo's play gives you such a strong town read on him?

[Karnage]

persivul, what is it about jmo's play gives you such a strong town read on him?

First, note that my list is townier to scummier. Being in the top tier is relative, and doesn't indicate a strong town read - it's just stronger than on others. Later in the game I'll label groups in my lists.

Second - he came into a slow game and tried to get it moving. That's generally townie.

But he is at the top of your list so relative to the other 10 players in the game he is your strongest town read, yes?

[Karnage]

So you are ok with 115 and 170 where he voted/unvoted Mario without commenting on either?

[Karnage]

So you are ok with 115 and 170 where he voted/unvoted Mario without commenting on either?

Yes. 115 was his second post, so that was his RVS vote. Sometimes if I come in late or even replace in on D2 I make an RVS vote.

You KNOW it was his RVS or are you being presumptuous again?

jmo - town so far, spreading pressure around and trying to get people to participate. Don't like the unvote without a replacement vote on D1.

Has your read changed at all since he is yet to vote since unvoting his presumed RVS vote?

[Karnage]

Still here, hi.

hi, care to share your reads?

[Karnage]

Here, but without much comp time on weekends. Will try to post tomorrow, but certainly will have something to say by Monday.

Offhand I'm not... yet... sure about the Karnage scumslip. Maybe. I'll have to read it again.

It's Monday... anything to say? Are you reads still the same as 162 or has anything changed?

[Karnage]

My bet is that he said that he was scumreading you after my case. I never said it was votes.

he never said he was scum-reading me though I guess 168 and 169 could be inferred as a scum read.

but, then why wasn't ricastle included?

I could go for Karnage, but I think that it would make more sense for him to have switched the way he did if he was bussing.

that was just a couple of posts before...

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

[Karnage]

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

hang on a sec, shouldn't you have said "at least TWO of us are town" or "at least one of THEM is town"?

If just one of you are town then the other three must be scum which would mean I then HAVE to be town.

[Karnage]

Also, Zulfy's probably the Traitor.

Would you like to explain your reasoning there?

UNVOTE:

why the unvote?

[Karnage]

VOTE: jmo

[Karnage]

Hammer please...

might as well...

after I flip town I hope you guys reconsider some of the things I've said.

[Karnage]

Oh and I voted jmo because

A - I think he is scum and

B - he lied in 324

[Karnage]

sure

VOTE: zulfy

[Karnage]

Either Lowell or Ricastle are my choices.

OK, Ricastle
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ricastle

As of 234 you had ricastle as a null read, what changed?

[Karnage]

Preferably before we lynch I'd like to get a full readlist in.

Is somebody stopping you?

[Karnage]

You don't wanna lynch who?

[Karnage]

At the moment I had made that initial post, anybody

So the reason you unvoted in 270 is that you didn't want to lynch anybody at that point?

This is an Open game yo

The setup is known to all who bother reading the opening posts

Did you read the opening posts?

------fastposted

"including 1 we already know" - wtf does that mean?

[Karnage]

the innocent child... nevermind

[Karnage]

Persivul. Vote Karnage if he's scum with Ricàstle.

hey before your disappear again can you answer the questions I had for you?

My bet is that he said that he was scumreading you after my case. I never said it was votes.

he never said he was scum-reading me though I guess 168 and 169 could be inferred as a scum read.

but, then why wasn't ricastle included?

I could go for Karnage, but I think that it would make more sense for him to have switched the way he did if he was bussing.

that was just a couple of posts before...

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

hang on a sec, shouldn't you have said "at least TWO of us are town" or "at least one of THEM is town"?

If just one of you are town then the other three must be scum which would mean I then HAVE to be town.

[Karnage]

@mario, what are your throughts on jmo? the fact that he hasn't voted for anybody outside his supposed RVS vote on you? or the fact that he has had little to no contribution to the game?

[Karnage]

@mario, what are your throughts on jmo? the fact that he hasn't voted for anybody outside his supposed RVS vote on you? or the fact that he has had little to no contribution to the game?

1. some people don't vote that often.
2. kopslot is town and hasn't done anything. genda has contributed little as have armageddon and marcrell.

So you have a town read on jmo?

[Karnage]

somebody give me the cliffnotes version of why karnage is the leading wagon plz

55 - i'm just trying to look active
167 - my reads shift to the focus of pressure
209 - i scum slipped when I forgot about the mafia traitor
375 - voting zulfy with ricastle makes us scum buddies

I think that's the bare bones version.

[Karnage]

say karn why are you voting zulfy / why should i vote zulfy with you?

-184, 186, 189, 219 make me think he is the mafia traitor trying to get the attention of the other mafia.
-he doesn’t have any real reads, his “scumpings” are few and far between and don’t really seem to drive his voting
-the majority of his posts are reactionary, he isn’t looking for scum.

[Karnage]

I was slight scum reading you,(only in association with snarky though) but wanted the slots with little to no activity to post to see what I should do with my vote.

I'm not questioning your reads in this situation. I'm just wondering how mario knew what you were thinking without you sharing your thoughts in the game.

Lol gotta take care of the family.

I can understand that

Someone that can agree with you makes them town?

You realize how easy it is for me to mimic your reads?

I find the wording of this to be odd. It reads like an admission that you have been doing just that.

zulfy is persivul's traitor, yup

I'm starting to think this is a possibility. persivul's recent play does not seem consistent his play earlier in the day.

[Karnage]

If you don't care about this game then stop trying to control it.

I'm posting like everyone else. This is the second time I've been accused of trying to control the game. The first was from Mario. And speaking of Mario, I read his ISO and I don't like it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mario

what don't you like about it?

[Karnage]

VOTE: persivul

I don't like his sudden town read on zulfy at the end of day 1.

[Karnage]

Karnage, a while back you tried to paint me as scummy saying that I'm mimicking snarkys reads. Would you care to show that we share reads or are you just trying to point a finger?

I didn't say you were definitely doing that just that you could be. But, I did go back and check your reads against snarky's and they didn't match up.

[Karnage]

VOTE: persivul

I don't like his sudden town read on zulfy at the end of day 1.

UNVOTE:
I re-read the end of the day and I think i see persivul's point about zulphy townreading him.

I'm also doubting my scum read on jmo.

[Karnage]

@ricastle and macrell, were you guys confusing goon cop with mafia role cop?

@mod, does the mafia traitor give a result of "goon" or "not goon" if investigated by the goon cop

[Karnage]

No they wouldn't because unless another PR flips, there is no evidence to suggest that scum took anything.

My point is that we have no way of knowing the fate of the Traitor. What are you trying to achieve with these questions, might I ask? You're a goon cop that checked me last night, is that it?

Either of those could be scum, Genda moreso. I've tended to give Mario an automatic townread whenever I play with him recently which is a habit I realise should be dropped swiftly.

Reading through the exchange again you clearly meant goon cop. There is no circumstance where calling out somebody as the goon cop is town motivated.
VOTE: ricastle

I'd like for you to see ricastles sheep or marcrell.

I don't know what to think of marcrells vote. I don't know if he's fucking clueless or just mafia trying to build a shitty story. im leaning toward the first one.

I'm not sure what you were trying to say in the bolded part.

When I first read ricastle's post i saw goon cop but thought role cop in my head. Macrell probably did the same thing.

[Karnage]

I'm not liking this. Both of you just outted yourselves voluntarily? I'm inclined to think you are both lying scum.

[Karnage]

I'm not liking this. Both of you just outted yourselves voluntarily? I'm inclined to think you are both lying scum.

And how are two claimed town PRs going to explain not being NK'd a day or two from now?

that's a good point.

[Karnage]

My point is that we have no way of knowing the fate of the Traitor. What are you trying to achieve with these questions, might I ask?

You're a goon cop that checked me last night, is that it?

why the fuck would you ask this question? where is the possible benefit to town?

[Karnage]

Dear oh dear. I'm the roleblocker. I figured that if Genda were scum, he'd likely be the one to kill with how under-the-radar he's been so far, and I wanted to target someone slightly different after my intuition on Zulfy proved incorrect.

Now, can we get back on track and lynch Karnage? If we're lucky, we could spare ourselves a kill tonight despite this madness.

So if we accept that you are the RB, you decided to block somebody who wasn't even one of your scum reads? how does that make any sense? The only worse play would have been for you to block rolfcopter.

And how much could you have doubted your intuition if you are right back to voting me again?

[Karnage]

Given the amount of PRs claimed, me claiming now shouldn't be a problem. Im a goon cop, and investigated Persivul last night, and I recieved no result. From my point of view at least, this clears the other PR claims unless I'm missing something.

another unecessary claim

[Karnage]

What the fuck.

You should have gotten not goon. Not no result.

he was conveniently "role blocked" by ricastle

each of them clears the others yet none of it can be independently verified

[Karnage]

roflcopter

Karnage

MarioManiac4

Persivul

Ricastle

Marcrell

Lowell

Armageddon

Zulfy

jmo16mla

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SnarkySnowman

Gendaberry

This is our supposed town list.

when exactly did you become "supposed town"?

[Karnage]

funny, so did I and I'm willing to bet everybody else will say they did too

Ah. I forgot he was the one that was "role blocked" wow. Full circle eh? I'm having a hard time believing everything fell into place so conveniently. This last claim meant NOTHING. THERE WAS NO REASON TO CLAIM. NONE.

I agree but I don't see any scenario where we can take the risk of lynching one of them.

UNVOTE:

I'm not considering any of them to be confirmed town though and may vote one of them later if I think it's in the town's best interest

[Karnage]

Enough of this.

VOTE: Marcrell

why him?

[Karnage]

He has barely said anything, nothing he has said has been of value, sometimes being flat-out nonsensical. He has played cautiously and for the most part passively, and completely disappeared once this debacle started up. Scum tends to fade away when town starts clashing, and for good reason - why should they put the spotlight on themselves if, by the way things are going, town is just going to lynch itself?

Just look at his ISO. There is not a single town-motivated post in there. Just the occasional hollow busywork and tiptoeing.

what happened to me being scum?

[Karnage]

We need to hear from mario, macrell, lowell , and armageddon.

[Karnage]

Back. Haven't read through the day yet, but I assume somewhere someone will tell my why karnage isn't already lynched.

lol

[Karnage]

Yeah okay I completely misunderstood the jmo thing. Been doing that a lot lately, not surprised, UNVOTE:

If Armageddon is actually back and going to post I'll leave him be for the time being.

Though I don't want to vote Ricastle for a while since he claimed and I'm conflicted at best on most others....

VOTE: Armageddon

VOTE: macrell "for the time being" was apparently the time it took you to type one sentence

[Karnage]

Mario, you don't have ANY sort of input on the game?

Yes. I said that the movement around the Karnage wagon is very scummy. The deadline panic away from his wagon is extremely scummy.

ok, so who is scum with me then? if I remember correctly you said both zulfy and I were mafia and you also implicated snarky. Now that we know zulfy was town, who is the third scum?

[Karnage]

Okay, how about here.

Town by claim: {Persivul, Ricastle, Grenda}
Town by (my) read: {Mario, Jmo}
Null by lack of post: {Marcrell, Lowell, Armageddon}
Null by lack of (my) read: {Karnage,

Snarky

}

Wait, you have a null read on yourself??

[Karnage]

Let's take myself out of it. I'm a Bodyguard, I tried to save roflcopter last night but the mafia used Strongman (so we know they also have a 1-shot ninja).

Sorry for causing nonsense. Let's get back to lynching scum though.

like i almost think that massclaim is the best option here. we have claims that mafia have THREE powers so far and with four claims and one PR dead I have a feeling that any remaining PR(s) claiming would just help us establish scum in the group rather than hindering town. I'm not going to actively push it though.

I think I might agree regarding massclaiming.

You wanna go first?

[Karnage]

we have loads of prs that can possibly be tested. if arma is scum we can lynch him later but with a ml already under scum's belt a lurker lynch is a bad thing.

probably because you are one of those lurkers

[Karnage]

I don't think I'm down with a jmo lynch at this moment. I like his play today. I'd much rather lynch out of Mario, Macrell, Arma, or Lowell

[Karnage]

VOTE: mario

[Karnage]

jmo v. marcrell feels authentic to me. Probably one is scum and one town. We should narrow our lynch pool to these two and see where the votes are. Reviewing marcrell I see he sided with me on a couple things and so I was predisposed to like him, but really his ISO is pretty bare.

VOTE: marcrell

I see Macrell's bare ISO as being just general inactivity and not indicative of his alignment. He doesn't seem to be doing much on the site.

Mario's ISO doesn't have much other than votes for me. I think he is intentionally lurking as he seems active in other games. He is much more likely to be scum.

[Karnage]

VOTE: macrell

[Karnage]

Not much we can do until we hear from genda and persivul

snarky, who did you protect?

[Karnage]

I felt that Arma and Mario are already totally scummy and lynchable, so I tracked Lowell. Knowing that I'm a tracker, if Lowell was scum he likely would have been sent to do the kill, as I haven't been scum reading him. Lowell went nowhere.

VOTE: Armageddon

that doesn't mean lowell isn;t scum though

[Karnage]

The only person that is confirmed town imo is persivul

If mafia recruited the traitor there would be 3 town power roles, all of which would have been outed prior to Genda and Snarky claiming so they would have known what roles were safe to fake claim

[Karnage]

VOTE: karnage that's 2/3

what's 2/3?

[Karnage]

2/3 power roles?

1) IC - rolfcopter
2) tracker - persivul
3) roleblocker - ricastle

[Karnage]

is that supposed to be me defending macrell?

[Karnage]

ok, so lets assume I'm scum (which I'm not). we have 2 weeks left in the day so lets find my partner in the mean time and we can lynch either them or me closer to the deadline. That way if I'm mislynched the day wouldn't have been a complete waste.

[Karnage]

roflcopter

Karnage

MarioManiac4

Persivul

Ricastle

Marcrell

Lowell

Armageddon

Zulfy

jmo16mla

SnarkySnowman

Gendaberry

This is our supposed town list.

2 scum left, 5 players to chose from.

FYP

[Karnage]

Arma and Mario top my list.

Explain why I top your list, what exactly makes me scummy?

do you think he is scum trying to frame you?

[Karnage]

I bodyguarded Ricastle -___-

Since he said he blocked Grenda N1, my guess is mafia used their strongman to kill roflcopter (who was my N1 target). Then I'm guessing Ricastle blocked me, not trusting my claim :///////////

Grenda, any results?

Persivul, there's definitely a ninja still out there so not going anywhere is the same as inconclusive.

So twice you chose to protect the person that was nk'd and twice your protection failed. you are simultaneously the best and worst bodyguard in history. or you could be scum.

[Karnage]

what's your point?

[Karnage]

VOTE: mario

[Karnage]

genda, just out of curiousity what result did you get last night?