Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]
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In post 49, KainTepes wrote:Whatever!!At least I am trying to play the game while you are just trying to distract people and picking on new players ilyvmjty.being aggressivedoes NOT mean i am fake or bad
Also your sucking up to Titus is disgusting,happy to vote you
Fake, fake, fake. He's not distracting anybody, but you are over-reacting. I would vote you but I'm pretty sure we already are.Titus / tn5421-
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In post 59, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Yeah that was a bit of an overreaction, sorry.
Let's forget that and go here:
I don't like burnings reaction.
VOTE: Burning Crystal
This one is serious.
My other head was saying KT was fake, not you.
Considering you were happy joy joy about us when I was posting and immediately voted my other head, maybe people have a point about you buddying me.
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In post 183, KainTepes wrote:I think Anenine must be good, because he tried to teach me how to play the game,
Why no comment after EE's attempt to teach you?Titus / tn5421-
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In post 154, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@KT just remember aggressive != loud necessarily. Something I'm still learning is that loud just makes you look foolish, it floods the thread and moves it nowhere, and it gives the people you "push" a good reason to ignore you. A good aggressive player speaks the words he needs to when he needs to where he needs to. Don't put all your cards on the table at once, it's ok to push one place with your eye somewhere else. Think before you post: "where does this get me?" Ask questions, but ask questions when you need answers that aren't obvious, and don't state the obvious. Spam posting just gives scum a good place to hide and begs for a policy lynch.
Please find something else to do with your time, take notes on the game or something, taking notes can actually help your reads because you can think it out on paper. I used to play like you. A lot like you. I still do a little bit at times. I think I've come a long way. Please don't post three pages a day in a game with three players if you aren't going anywhere with it.
This isn't bullying KT at all.
EE is scummy in his own right.
it looks like you're trying to buddy Anen and not EE. So why?Titus / tn5421-
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In post 204, KainTepes wrote:But I want to be AGGRESSIVE like all the strong players and catch scum like they can... am I not aggressive enough??
You aren't getting any bang for your buck. Your aggression is unfocused and all over the place.
In post 206, Aneninen wrote:In post 193, Burning Crystal wrote:it looks like you're trying to buddy Anen and not EE. So why?
For me, it looks more like a newb-tell, not a scumtell.
(Actually I'm one of the worst players to buddy. Everyone knows I care very little about getting "allies" or town credit.)
"Everybody knows" is bullshit. Absolutely unacceptable. (Don't do self-meta, it's bad for you)
In post 209, davesaz wrote:I see a lot of posturing from KainTepes about being aggressive, and that's good, because evil players aren't aggressive, and that's bad, so he needs to be aggressive.
Looks like an act, which is scummy to me.
VOTE: KainTepes
To be fair, Town of Salem is probably the single worst place to learn anything about mafia, and that is possibly KT's only experience prior to this game.Titus / tn5421-
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EE, you and KT need to scum hunt or we're voting you two. Both heads agree. When you were pressured, you just started whining. Show me who scum are rather than complaining that I am not doing enough.
I have been sick with a headache and then dealing with company. You weren't getting wall posts.
So hey. Drop the drama. Thanks.Titus / tn5421-
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In post 268, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Later. Titus you need to push in places that aren't places you shouldn't be pushing.
Where should I be pushing?
This post just screams anyone but you and KT, which makes me only want to dig in more.Titus / tn5421-
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In post 270, KainTepes wrote:I already posted,,
He voted for me for a stupid reason like "he is not actually aggressive he is just telling us he is aggressive" when HOW IS THAT EVEN A SCUM TELL??
It sounds just like he thought i will be a easy mislynch, which is really scummy
Don't you feel it too???
I agree with Dave, but it's not a full on tell.
People can be wrong town. That thought process never occurred to you. Vote on you, you fly off the handle.
You're still yelling.Titus / tn5421-
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In post 284, KainTepes wrote:I suspect Persivul a little for replacing out right after he got HEATED with EagleExtrapolated,,, but i dont know how to explain the feeling,,
More like this. There's no whining. You're lying out how you feel, which posts make you feel like that, and stating that you don't know why.
I don't agree with this post, but I can meet you half way and give you some time. If you go back to yelling and screaming and whining, I will vote you.
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In post 343, davesaz wrote:In post 341, acryon wrote:In post 339, Xtoxm wrote:No it's not. SI joined the site 3 days ago, and that is the only post he made anywhere other than a signup. Absence/Flaking isn't scummy.
Thank you for being the voice of reason on this.
Join date is immaterial when you consider the possibility of an alt.
There is something else that makes flaking non alignment-indicative. Flaking on a replace for a true new player could indicate a role the player isn't ready to handle. On the other hand, if it's an alt created specifically to play this game then flaking could indicate disappointment at a boring role, by a player who does not want to get a reputation for flaking (hence using an alt). Since the possible results include both exciting and boring roles, the flake is immaterial.
Spoiler: not game related
I disagree.
Coming soon content indicates the person is engaged. Then they said wtf and left. That's not likely an IRL flake. The only reason I'm not voting here is I hope the slot gets someone to fill it soon so I can get reads based on how he treats others and how others treat him.
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In post 346, Almost50 wrote:Also, how DO you guys embed images directly into the post?
Use [ img] URL to image [ /img]. Remove the spaces.
For a neat trick if you want a webpage to load when you click an image [URL=Webpagetoload ][img ] URL to image [/img] [/url ]
For youtube vids, [youtube ]Last text to youtube video [/ youtube]
Sorry for the random replies but I didn't want to have questions spread on multiple posts.Titus / tn5421-
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In post 399, Mad King Ashnard wrote:I want to policy lynch KT at this point.
I am willing to join that if it becomes a thing.Titus / tn5421-
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EE, I think almost50 is town.
You want to lynch Kuribo. I can do that. His last post was more of a "you got nothing on me" type scum post, rather than saying he's town.
@Xtoxm, 82 is IIoA. Yeah so what naked votes aren't alignment indicative? He took no stance on you. He has a lot of IIoA and recap.Titus / tn5421-
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I'm honestly laughing pretty hard at everyone calling KuroiXHF 'Kuribo'. They don't even have remotely the same presence in-game.
I don't know that I like our vote being on davesaz but I'll speak with Titus before deciding what to do about it.
I have a tendency to get hyperactive on day one and then burn out of a game, so I'm trying to control myself a little more. (reference: open 569)Titus / tn5421-
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In post 570, Almost50 wrote:OH! My bad then. I stand corrected. Lynch me.
I think people will take you up on that Almost. Sad thing is, I think you're pretty transparently town but you've made it to where the town as a whole cannot trust you. Both town and scum can do setup spec but if you do it in a manner like you have, you force your own death. You made mistakes that I used to make as a newbie that I will talk to you about post game if you're willing to hang around. Some of the basic assumptions you've made here are 100% wrong and fueling terrible plays.Titus / tn5421-
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In post 595, Mad King Ashnard wrote:Or maybe you're defending your partner texcat?
Don't break my heart Rasky. I wanna think y'all are town. Stuff like this doesn't work.
Dave and Almost are obvious town to me. You're kinda townish, I get close to wanting to follow along with you and you attack me for sheeping bigger townreads rather than actually pushing your case.
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You can't come up with one reason why Texcat is scum? One at all?
That begs the question, why are you trying to start a new wagon on someone while avoiding talking about Anenien entirely?
I've been trying to work with you here, but you gotta give me something here.
Dave and acryon have been pretty townie lately and I see where a strong case can be made on Almost. I'm getting quite a few townreads. IF you want me to follow you, you'll need to convince me that either a) texcat is scum or b) you're townier.
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@texcat, I don't see you as simple minded.
First, the hasty reaction with unplanned reaction fish plus Almost reaching out to immediately try to fix his blunders. Dave seems to be on the same page and trying to create wifom around who Almost should protect tonight. While they lack subtlety, the motivation is clearly townie.
Exactly texcat. There's no case or reason to vote you and thus nothing to react to. You're here present and engaging. Mka trying to push on you for no reason when they and Anen are wagoned so close to deadline is wtf.
Instead of working to persuade me, MKA jumps down my throat. It looks desperate to create a sideshow but I have been trying not to jump down n RC slot like I do every game.
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Context Almost.
I was meaning a strong TOWN case can be made on you. The second paragraph in the second post is talking about how townie you are.
I don't care what you accept as a slot RC. I am nullreading Texcat. No amount of whining and bitching will change that. You aren't having a valid push on Texcat. You are refusing to provide a reason for your push at all.
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In post 616, Mad King Ashnard wrote:I'm pushing on Texcat because neither she nor any of her predecessors have done anything that can be construed as scumhunting.
Raskol's pushing on Tex because that plus he thinks there's other stuff that's scummy, but I've seen nothing worth townreading and Raskol's big on it.
It's also flat out a better wagon than any of the other major ones.
Ok. I know I may sound hostile here but I am going to explain to you a little further what I am looking for. "Lacks scumhunting" is a buzzword. Texcat's recent posts don't really seem to be lacking scumhunting. This game is also likely multi ball or mafia plus SK which means every slot should be scumhunting even if scum.
Other stuff doesn't give me anything I can look for or anything I can see. Like nothing. Nothing at all. I want to engage and look over to try and see if we can work together and you just attack rather than engage.
I could do K who isn't Kuribo. I get a gut feeling you two like each other too much. He seems to be too peacemakery.
KT is also a decent lynch, although I think no one agrees. My townreads don't care for it at all.
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In post 568, texcat wrote:In post 563, Almost50 wrote:The ONLY PR that could've been outed here would be the PGO themselves. I'm a Weak Bodygaurd. We thus are in scenarios 5, 10 or 12. ALL 12 scenarios have Jailers and Cops, so these would not be outed by my false claim. Furthermore,I know we don't have a Tracker, a BulletProof or a Vig.
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1 Town Jailer, 1 Town Cop, 5 Town Citizen,1 Town Tracker, 1 Town Weak Bodyguard, 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 WW Goon, 1 WW Roleblocker
Sorry, this still looks like a claim from scum. I would expect the real Bodyguard to be more familiar with the scenarios he was in. Especially if he claimed to study them.
Ok, right here. This is a null post for me. You find it scummy. I think Almost is town. The question here is Texcat scumreading bad play or taking advantage of Derp town. I have scumread bad play myself but it's the sort of thing scum love to coast on. Just because posts are useless to you, they aren't useless to your townreads IMO.
To figure out which, ask him for his reads.
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In post 627, Mad King Ashnard wrote:Kuroi could be scum I guess.
The drunk post felt terrible and the way he reacted in 51 felt like he actually was lying about the drunk thing.
Which gives me odd feelings.
But I wouldn't scumread him remotely for 'buddying us' when I don't think that he's been buddying us much at all. Raskol and I have both been in games with him (I called the whole scumteam within 20 minutes of replacing in ) and we both got along fairly well with him so I'm not surprised that he's being friendly with us.
There's been other scummy shit that he's done though. There were posts in my last game with him where it was super clear that he was town and trying to scumhunt, and there's not anything quite so clear in this game. Would rather he be given more time but if I had to wagon it I wouldn't mind.
VOTE: Texcat
Now That's what I wanted.
I will ride this out and see where it goes for awhile if you're willing.
*peace offering*
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If you ask someone else to give you an out like you did with Klingy in 1750 I'm going to be very suspicious of you.
Preemptive warning.
Fair enough.
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In post 630, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Bc I feel like you've been going the easy route all game? What's up with that?
You saw YCBA. You can see Saga. I am not fighting my townreads anymore unless my townreads are getting lynched. Deal with it.
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Who is that to?Titus / tn5421-
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In post 635, Mad King Ashnard wrote:It looks like you're just pissed I am trying to bury the hatchet with someone I am scumreading.
It is to you.
Can you walk me through why are you are scumreading us?
Bad phrasing. I meant to say I am used to scumreading.
I had solid town reads on your wagon. If I was scumreading you, I wouldn't be trying so hard to bury the hatchet. I would just vote you.
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In post 638, Mad King Ashnard wrote:I mean my first reflex was to think that it was a typo.
I am genuinely surprised to hear that you are scumreading us.
pedit: lol that works.
I am not scumread you.
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In post 646, Xtoxm wrote:Don't really care for Dave's heavy softing, a hardclaim would be more convincing. He's basically softed power in response to becoming the primary wagon whilst keeping things vague, which only really favours scum given how obvious he's made it. Forcing him into a hardclaim means if he's scum he may get countered at some point or claim something unsustainable, which is basically our goal for today, we're probably only going to lynch scum today if it's without a claim. He may be town but the way he's gone about it doesn't really look town (what 50 did is the town way), so i'd like to stay on to get a hardclaim out of him before moving back to Anen. If he's town I don't think there's any detriment to having him expand. I could also go Mad King, don't trust him and 540 reads too informed for my liking. Texcat is a low priority compromise of those 3 that i'd do if I have to.
That is a mistake IMO. Dave is obvtown for his play here. He didn't soft power role until after Almost's claim for the most part. What does getting a claim do here? All it does is help scum get more information to do their actions. Wagonning people just to have them claim is bad. Dave's play was shitty and I tried to tell him to stop with the legally blonde youtube. If you reread some of his posts, there's next to no question as to what he'd claim anyway. I would rather not say publicly in case scum are total dumb assess.
VOTE: Anenien
Scum flail 101 Anen.
@Eagle, Anen is scum flailing. A lot of his recent ISO is grabbing recent posts by major popular suspects and crying poop for no reason. He's attacking people for working together, which is anti town. He's trying to stop town cohesion. Anen completely ignores any pretense at scumhunting by ignoring what MKA said about Texcat.Titus / tn5421-
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Compare his recent posting to 223 in his YCBA ISO. Both call out those for what he thinks are shitty pushes, but Anen talks about and analyzes the Gamestate as a whole. Here is posting is much more defensive, much like Klingon's. In YCBA he didn't ignore the other wagons forming at all. In fact, he voted wagons of players who weren't suspecting him.
Compare this to Klingon's ISO that game. Klingon responded to nothing but just tried to tear down her attackers and make herself look good. that's what Anen looks to be doing here. He'd have something to say about the substance of MKA's posts if he was town most likely.
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In post 657, KainTepes wrote:WHAT IS MULTIBALL
Multiple scum teams. Some call mafia and SK multiball as well. Please stop yelling.Titus / tn5421