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I did what now?
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Hey didn't ask you why you're inquiring into his thoughts but why you are trying to look busy. Isn't it obvious that a an early wagon can draw out information? Whether it's helpful or not it's still information.In post 38, nebula wrote:How else would you suggest that I attempt to understand the rationale behind an action? I most likely would not have to keep asking questions if you were simply forthcoming with your reasoning. Your one worded response would lead me to ask "What information are you hoping to derive from a starting wagon"; however, you do not need to answer since I do not expect a helpful response.
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It's not that asking questions nesscarily looks busy it's that asking questions which might be fairly obviously answered look busy.In post 44, nebula wrote:
Hi.In post 41, Hawk wrote:Hey didn't ask you why you're inquiring into his thoughts but why you are trying to look busy.
Did my response not address this? Apologies if I was not clear, but I was inferring that I was not trying to look busy; rather, I was asking questions to gain a better understanding of his thoughts on why my wagon was "fantastic." If asking questions comes across as me attempting to look busy, than how else would you suggest I proceed?
It is apparently not obvious to me. Was this meant to be rhetorical?In post 41, Hawk wrote:Isn't it obvious that a an early wagon can draw out information? Whether it's helpful or not it's still information.
Aside from the fact that they are statistically more likely to be on someone who is town, I cannot think of why they would be.In post 41, Hawk wrote:Do you think early wagons are detrimental to town?
You saying it's not obvious to you and then not seeing why it would be detrimental tells me you clearly understand that they draw out information.
Questions are fine but they should lead somewhere.
What did you hope to understand or learn from asking the questions you did? Does BBT's explanation give you a better read on BBT or anyone else?
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Are you drawing all of this from my post on p1? Cause damn that's some serious WIFOM right there... my motivations for my vote are purely RVS. I didn't want to be on that wagon cause I didn't want to play this game apart of an early wagon? If you think you can find something alignment indicative from that go for it cause you won't lol.In post 50, Music Box wrote:
Your vote seemed too considered. Which could mean that you wanted either to avoid being on a town wagon or to switch attention away from a scum wagon. Or it could mean that you wanted to see who reacted to your vote. Your comment suggests it probably wasn't the second one.In post 35, Hawk wrote:I did what now?-
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@Sesq This is where the logic is. I snipped out all of the non important stuff.
I bolded the contradiction. This is why I say he knows exactly why early wagons wold draw out information.In post 44, Hawk wrote:In post 41, Hawk wrote:Isn't it obvious that a an early wagon can draw out information? Whether it's helpful or not it's still information.Was this meant to be rhetorical?
It is apparently not obvious to me.
Aside from the fact that they are statistically more likely to be on someone who is town,In post 41, Hawk wrote:Do you think early wagons are detrimental to town?I cannot think of why they would be.
One second he says it's not obvious. Next he's saying he doesn't see or cannot think of why they would be detrimental.
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@Nebula you are correct that some things that aren't nesscarily detrimental aren't nesscarily positive however don't ask redundant questions when you know that there is Utility to early wagons.In post 43, nebula wrote:
Note: I looked up RVS in the MafiaWiki, and the third paragraph mentions "a wagon on someone may cause them to panic." So, perhaps there is some utility to a random wagon, but why not simply start questioning other players?
Also to answer your question, The psychological component from someone being questioned versus someone being pressured and possibly lynched creates a different dynamic and reaction. That's why starting and wagon versus simply starting questioning are different and produce different results-
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I don't mind talking theory.In post 64, nebula wrote:
Fair point, and I will concede. I should have used past tense in that statement.In post 62, Hawk wrote:@Nebula you are correct that some things that aren't nesscarily detrimental aren't nesscarily positive however don't ask redundant questions when you know that there is Utility to early wagons.
To question this - though perhaps this may not be the place and time - I can understand the intent of the psychological component, and the potential results from reaction. However, does not the fact that the majority of the player base understanding that we are in RVS, and thus votes amounting to almost nil in terms of sincerity, negate the intended outcome?In post 62, Hawk wrote:Also to answer your question, The psychological component from someone being questioned versus someone being pressured and possibly lynched creates a different dynamic and reaction. That's why starting and wagon versus simply starting questioning are different and produce different results
Not always. Each game is different. Some players don't react well under pressure. As well as players develop they generally develop subconscious tells when under pressure in a situation that is familiar (being town under pressure versus being scum under pressure) And even in RVS it's important to note these and look for them. Sometimes you randomly get lucky and snipe a scum d1 because they're very uncomfortable under pressure and can't handle it d1 and make slip ups. It's just a variable. Also after a few flips revisiting RVS and quick gut and early reads can draw associative tells fairly easily.
Note I chose not to place a vote on the wagon because I didn't feel like a wagon off of a P1 would result in anything. Because while early wagons are fine it can make players firm up a read or do some scum/town hunting in response to pressure if it's page 1 there's literally almost nothing a player can draw from to do any of that and the pressure stagnated most of the time IME.
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Hey BBT would you perchance forgo your Nebula wagon and partake in my Music Box wagon???In post 34, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Any starting wagon is fantastic. It just happens to be you this game.
@LUV I have a feeling I know why you naked voted Music Box and I'm fairly certain it isn't RVS but would you enlighten me a bit? Do you like his explanation for why he voted me?
@ the four people who haven't posted.
LURKERS ARE SCUM AND WILL BE ELIMINATED IF YOU DO NOT CONTRIBUTE QUALITY CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS GAME!!!! I mean... uhhhh please get in here and post. I know some may not have gotten an message like for some reason I just got the email letting me know I had the message for this game lol-
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Maybe it was a Vigi slipIn post 72, Sesq wrote:
You said murdered instead of lynched.In post 68, Toto wrote:
Anyone voting my townreads is getting murdered in this game. Fuck logic.In post 63, Sesq wrote:
It's in Hawk's above post. As for them, your logic seems to be more solid but I just really have a gut feel towards you. Toto's sheep play is sort of alarming to me. I don't see why MB is scum beyond using bad logic.In post 60, nebula wrote:
Oh, hi, Sesk. Could you point out the inconsistencies, and I can try to explain them?In post 52, Sesq wrote:nebula - This guy is interesting, to say the least. At first he looked pretty suspicious but after looking over his responses they're fairly solid. The one thing that sticks out is his inconsistencies about early wagons, which I would partially attribute to him being at the butt of it.
I think you are town.
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Maybe it was a Vigi slipIn post 72, Sesq wrote:
You said murdered instead of lynched.In post 68, Toto wrote:
Anyone voting my townreads is getting murdered in this game. Fuck logic.In post 63, Sesq wrote:
It's in Hawk's above post. As for them, your logic seems to be more solid but I just really have a gut feel towards you. Toto's sheep play is sort of alarming to me. I don't see why MB is scum beyond using bad logic.In post 60, nebula wrote:
Oh, hi, Sesk. Could you point out the inconsistencies, and I can try to explain them?In post 52, Sesq wrote:nebula - This guy is interesting, to say the least. At first he looked pretty suspicious but after looking over his responses they're fairly solid. The one thing that sticks out is his inconsistencies about early wagons, which I would partially attribute to him being at the butt of it.
I think you are town.
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In post 84, Sesq wrote:
Naked votes are not naked people. Also, I disagree with being naked exclusively in the shower, unless that's just your kink. As for your vote I've considered voting Toto as well, though you haven't convinced me, as there's no Vig in this setup as Hawk proposed. It's 3 Goons, 9 Townies, a doc and a jailkeep. It's like, 8 votes to lynch so I don't feel like I have any reason not to vote this man for fear of quicklynch (as I'm not 100% sure).In post 83, Riley Cake wrote:Strategy for what!! All ya get is people YELLING AT YOU for having naked votes!!! The only time you should be naked is in the shower!!!
VOTE: Toto
OMG YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IS NO VIGI!!!
Duh... I honestly don't think that was a scum slip. but you do you.
I mean at least you're paying attention-
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In post 84, Sesq wrote:
Naked votes are not naked people. Also, I disagree with being naked exclusively in the shower, unless that's just your kink. As for your vote I've considered voting Toto as well, though you haven't convinced me, as there's no Vig in this setup as Hawk proposed. It's 3 Goons, 9 Townies, a doc and a jailkeep. It's like, 8 votes to lynch so I don't feel like I have any reason not to vote this man for fear of quicklynch (as I'm not 100% sure).In post 83, Riley Cake wrote:Strategy for what!! All ya get is people YELLING AT YOU for having naked votes!!! The only time you should be naked is in the shower!!!
VOTE: Toto
OMG YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IS NO VIGI!!!
Duh... I honestly don't think that was a scum slip. but you do you.
I mean at least you're paying attention-
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My phone really likes to double post. If the mod doesn't mind cleaning that up by like deleting it it would be much appreciated. Not even sure how that happens.
@Musicbox. So you'd rather I just sheep the wagon vote when literally 4 people had commented yet? (It was just me, BBT, Lowell who hasn't said anything since, and Magna) I mean sure watching how everyone else played around that wagon would have been interesting but I just chose to spread the votes instead.
@LUV I thought you might be voting him cause his vote seemed less of an RVS vote and more an attempt to scum-hunt which felt really weak and misrep'd my p1 statement.
pedit: Why is Riley scum Lowell?? Why is Uzi scum?? Can I get some thought process behind those accusations.-
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Nice read Magna. But unfortunately still off track. Im liking that earnest scumhunt from Magna.
The LAMIST comment I made was intended to be a joke but I guess it wasn't funny to you :/. People have said before I have a low tolerance for Lurking so I was poking fun at myself.
I still want Lowell to explain his reads. Also note I said Riley when I meant Sesq in my question to Lowell in my earlier comment.-
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I actually don't have any to reference sorry. Fairly new to MafiaScum. If that's the case I guess just throw out my argument since I don't have anything but my own personal playstyle and anyone who wants to vouch on how I play :/.In post 109, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Link to any completed game where anyone other than yourself as said you have a low tolerance for Lurking please.In post 108, Hawk wrote:The LAMIST comment I made was intended to be a joke but I guess it wasn't funny to you :/. People have said before I have a low tolerance for Lurking so I was poking fun at myself.
Lowell that is oppurtunistic as fuck of a vote. Please just respond to my question.
@Lowell Why did you read Sesq and Lil as scum??-
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Engagement from you, who took my RVS vote for a bit more than that. (I can see the effort here it doesn't) gives me a softer townlean on you. Conversation with LUV and Magna also kinda came from my actions. I'm town leaning Magna for legitimate attempts to scumhunt.In post 127, Music Box wrote:
And what did you gain from that?In post 102, Hawk wrote:@Musicbox. So you'd rather I just sheep the wagon vote when literally 4 people had commented yet? (It was just me, BBT, Lowell who hasn't said anything since, and Magna) I mean sure watching how everyone else played around that wagon would have been interesting but I just chose to spread the votes instead.
And we got people mindlessly Sheeping (Ala Lowell) Who hasn't contributed to much but some 1 to 2 sentence answers to some questions and "Agree" when referencing Magna going over my ISO.
So some soft townleans and a scumlean so far from what I've done. I mean I'm sure this will all be more insightful as the day goes on but it's just how I chose to start the game? Why did you choose to engage me rather than throw and RVS vote? Why not engage Nebula who was being Wagon'd or someone else?-
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Soooooooooo forced. lol That Nebula slip has me rolling.
Anyway my scumlean is actually more on Lowell than anyone else.
VOTE: Lowell
Soft town leans on
Magna, MB, and Nebula(can I call you Nebbie :p)
Scumlean on Lowell.
Here's my reasoning. Magna and MB both decided to pick apart and hunt for something scummy in my statements. Shows some effort and some town motivations. Lowell on the other hand has given some rather loose 1 to 2 liner reads and a sheep vote because Magna pressured me. (Note He also sheeped Magna's RVS vote but this point is irrelevant till people start flipping)
Other players I have rather nullish to soft reads for but I need to a bit more to firm them up.
Reserving actual reads on Sesq, LUV, and Toto basically.
If I'm forgetting anyone please let me know.
Also no KT I'm not forgetting you.
Kaintepeslean on Kain Tepes. Fairly certain that KT is KainTepes :p-
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Oh realized I left out Riley and BBT. Yeah those are null too. BBT gave real soft reads and I have no idea how to read Riley yet.
Also for everyone who is reading LUV based off his behavior being different from prior games understand that Meta is pretty fucking NAI for good players. I mean just look at Nebbie :p-
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I didn't mean it in a bad way just that people can slip in and out of a meta with effort.In post 143, nebula wrote:Nebbie, or Nebs, is cool. I like your reads.
I've only played one other game with Lowell and he was lurky/sheepy in that. I would like him to actually provide some content this time around.
Also, I cbf'd to make any more walls. God, I hate walls.
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F'you.
Also I like that you like Nebby.
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@Magna there's a difference between not actively engaging a slot and not wagoning them. I engage Nebula fairly well I thought. I agree Nebula's inclusion of KT and Frederick makes me very confused. Also I don't see why we would be forming a townBloc like that so early. I do find it discomforting that my town reads are opposed in some spots right now.
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Can I get a VC??
Two questions.
Sesq: Where exactly where you persuading other people not to vote Nebula cause I don't see it...
@Lowell can you give me a bit more insight as to why you just seem to be Wagoning? Do you just prefer to scum hunt reactively? Also walk me through why Riley was town again?-
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In post 178, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Nah, I wanna lynch you.
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Considering I'm town yes? If you're asking whether or not you can draw alignment from those posts. I'd say nothat entirely but I can see how Toto could see them as town. I didn't like Nebula's original answer in 41 so I questioned further and then in 47 I clarified some theory and asked more questions.In post 211, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Hawk, would you agree with this assessment that your 41 and 47 are 'town' posts?In post 119, Toto wrote: 41 and 47 look like town to me. I think he is genuinely trying to figure nebula out, and not trying to do so for the looks or to trap them. That was the most town like interaction I had looked at so far.
@Toto can you point out where he scum claimed? Also point out his breadcrumbs cause I only saw where he said "Lynching me would be bad" which isn't exactly a claim but I get where you're coming from and think that's a pretty scummy answer to give if he's not soft claiming anything.-
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That playstyle was forced tho, so you can see how it's hard for us to draw a conclusion on how you were actually thinking when you responded too it. As well even with that forced playstyle you could have said something along the lines of.In post 208, nebula wrote:
Normally, probably not. But with the forced playstyle I was using at the time, you'll notice I responded to pretty much everything.In post 207, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It might have been a bad argument, but had you replaced into a town slot, I don't feel like you would have entertained the post.
"Hi, Magna. I don't think the replacement regardless of it forced due to banning or requested by Hellfire is Alignment Indicative."
Like if you know you're town why get defensive? The replacement being a scum slip because it was requested and not forced doesn't make sense if the slot is town. That seemed like a better way to phrase it in stone cold robotic Nebula persona.
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Right sorry, I think I answered it but let me be clear.In post 215, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm obviously asking you to look at it from a non-biased perspective.
I thought a lot of it was theory talk and therefore NAI, so I'm interested to see that you do think they're town posts.
I feel like Toto is trying to pocket you. This isn't saying I think you're town, but looking at Toto's posts wrt you I can't help but think it.
No I would not find my posts in 41 and 47 to be alignment indicative. The questioning is good but engagement and some slight theory talk does not a town post make.
I would probably like those posts if anyone else had made them because I feel like it's good activity and that usually leans town for me but that's subjective not objective really. But that's me and I might be biased. However I like Magna for similar things. Activity and good questioning of logic or reason feels town to me.
I could see it as Toto trying to pocket me but I was saving that judgment for later once Toto contributed more.
Pedit: I agree with Toto here. How about you BBT??
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Theater with who Nebbie? Am I misinterpreting theater here? I've always used that as Scum and scum putting on a show to look TvT.
I for one don't like this Sesq distraction cause it feels like we are trying to pull away from Nebbies wagon (which is still at L-3).
Also Nydus's catchup feels pretty forced... While it might just be me multiple post after post as you notice things feels very inorganic buy maybe it's because I take the time to write notes out in a word doc for my reference like important posts for people and other stuff.-
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In post 520, Lowell wrote:What I'm seeing here is riley doesn't want nebula to die and also doesn't want to be one of the last on the wagon when sesq does. The "too obvious" conclusion here is nebula/riley scumpair. I'm going to try not to get all spun up about this, but this is a terrible terrible derailment when there's a L-2 and L-3 at play.
Of course, for that matter, so is Kain Tep's.
I think the part about Riley not wanting to be last on sesq's wagon is moot here.In post 515, Riley Cake wrote:But I'll hammer sesq too if ya put her at L-1
Pedit: I'm still gonna do a catchup but why are you town reading BBT? Elena I kinda understand from the little I've skimmed her she seems pretty townie but I'll give better reads later when I get caught up with everyone.-
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When did I say anything about KT'S meta?In post 523, Sesq wrote:
I think you're taking both of them too seriously.In post 520, Lowell wrote:What I'm seeing here is riley doesn't want nebula to die and also doesn't want to be one of the last on the wagon when sesq does. The "too obvious" conclusion here is nebula/riley scumpair. I'm going to try not to get all spun up about this, but this is a terrible terrible derailment when there's a L-2 and L-3 at play.
Of course, for that matter, so is Kain Tep's.
I know Riley, and she does just kind of act like this, I haven't seen anything suspicious. Hawk brought up a point with Kain's meta I thought was interesting though.
Also @Lowell, why are Elena and BBT town? Back up your reads.
Also I Riley is new and unless you know her Alt you shouldn't saying things like this. Also you should take everything KT and Riley say seriously. Despite there posting style being ridiculous ignoring it or getting aggravated by it is exactly what they want you to do as doing so is detrimental as both Town and scum. Makes them more dangerous so you shouldn't dismiss them for no reason.
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Yeah right here in 402. MB bolded the important part. Notice you say "seems to think I'm scumIn post 501, Music Box wrote:
What did you mean to say in the bolded bit?In post 402, Sesq wrote:Music Box - I thought he was voting me as a counter to nebula butseems to think I'm scum with again,seemingly no reason behind it.
As for reason, you've been evasive in your responses to me for a start; 84 seemed too defensive and too careful about your vote for Toto, but without actually saying why you voted him; 129 using the 'look, he did it too' diversion tactic. Not going to write out a full case as I think most of it has already been covered in the thread.
I wouldn't have voted you if I had you as null. Not unless we were close to deadline, which we aren't.In post 402, Sesq wrote:And there's a difference between him voting me as a counter to neb (but placing me at null or something) and voting me for being scum.withagain"
note the with. It almost seems like you were pointing MB as having an associative scumlean on you and one other but changed your mind halfway through and then missed this part...
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Wait what why am I sesq's buddy? I haven't even caught up? Also why would I point out this associative tell if I was his buddy and thought he was scum? I really am sorry I'm not caught up let me. Atch up as to what's going on. I literally only noticed that because of MB's post I don't even remember/know to who he would be referencing.
Pedit: I see your post Sesq but I need to catch up last time I read Elena had just joined us and I wasn't truly caught up then.-
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ThIs game with both of them isn't giving my headache any reliefIn post 648, Toto wrote:I like Riley, she is a like cute version of Kain.
So let me get this straight. Our two wagons are.
Nebula V Sesq.
Hikari is soft TR reading Nebula and wants Sesq lynched and after pages and pages of noise feels like there is an associative scum tell between Toto and Sesq cause of distancing?
And Toto is convinced that Nebula and Hikari are an associative scum pair because of the defending. Also lining up lynches which really is NAI but it does feel rather odd that this game has devolved so quickly into focal around these 4...
I mean so far I actually think the associative tells are bullshit and it's just two TvT arguing on the behalf of a TvS.
so yeah I'm staying on Nebula guys. Hikari seems a bit short with his words but I don't disagree with how he's approaching the game even if I don't buy his defense of Nebula.-
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Alrighty sorry if I offended Riley. But will you answer me this? Do you honestly think Sesq and Nebula are both scum? Also I know you think KT might be scum but don't you feel your vote is better served on one of your scum leans that has a wagon going rather than a lone vote on KT?In post 640, Riley Cake wrote:
HEYY!!! I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO IGNORE ME OR GET ANNOYED WIF ME!!!!In post 525, Hawk wrote:Despite there posting style being ridiculous ignoring it or getting aggravated by it is exactly what they want you to do as doing so is detrimental as both Town and scum.
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They're do like the same thing only one of them is cute and uses words like snuggles, oopsies, and baddsies while the other just goes around CAPS LOCK ENGAGE I AM KAINTEPES AND I AM A POWERFUL TOWN PLAYER KAINTEPES!!!In post 653, Sesq wrote:
No, I meant that Riley seems to be engaging with the game in a weird kinda way, while Kain doesnt.In post 650, Toto wrote:Kain is just too strong and too aggressive.
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I'm leaning more this way as well. Also not to defend his early claim per say buy Riley did drop intent to hammer if he does reach l-1In post 676, Elena Fisher wrote:I don't really like a Hiraki wagon I do feel like nebula is scum Sesq seems to just feel like clueless town to me with the early claim and the way he's defending himself-
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Okay So I need to catchup but both Magna and Toto seem to think Hiraki is scum and I was heavily townreading both those slots last time I checked so I'm okay with lynching Hiraki here if thats where we are going. Still don't think Sesq is a good lynch but if we have to lynch her I guess I'll look at the case later but not liking it.
VOTE: Hiraki
Also I still don't like Nebula.... But let me get caught up. I got 3 other games going and this one is the one I feel the most behind on suprisingly but I remember quite a bit of what was going down and feel confident in at least my TR's on Toto and Magna. Well Maybe not Toto... I have to go back and look and see if he was pocketing me. Sorry guys if this post isn't very helpful I've had a lot go on this weekend but trying to get back into a regular schedule so I can post.-
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Not entirely. I'm just not entirely caught up as to why Magna suddenly switched votes. I know before Toto didn't like you for your defense of Nebula among other things but I do know that I shared a fairly similar mindset on Nebula to Magna and if Nebula's wagon is losing so much traction that it's just me and Elena left I don't mind voting you since I haven't so much cared for your posts either. I just haven't caught up enough to give a full read on the game as of right now.In post 909, Hiraki wrote:So you decided to vote...without catching up?-
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What would you I do elsewise? You're trying to make it sound like I'm stuck hammering/lynching you. Im just following my previous train of thought and catching up on what I've missed. You even quote where I don't exactly town or scum read you and I don't like your defense of Nebula. I mean sure I say this is probably TvT in defense of a TvS. This is me giving you the benefit of the doubt. If people aren't willing to lynch Nebula why should I just sit with my vote on him?In post 911, Hiraki wrote:In post 651, Hawk wrote:Hikari seems a bit short with his words but I don't disagree with how he's approaching the game even if I don't buy his defense of Nebula.
So again - let me get this straight. Your catch-up pushed that not only should you abandon your own logic but that you should goIn post 677, Hawk wrote:
I'm leaning more this way as well. Also not to defend his early claim per say buy Riley did drop intent to hammer if he does reach l-1In post 676, Elena Fisher wrote:I don't really like a Hiraki wagon I do feel like nebula is scum Sesq seems to just feel like clueless town to me with the early claim and the way he's defending himselfagainstyour own previous thoughts and vote based on someone's claims (most of which were posted WAY before Post 676) because another wagon was forming and yours was falling apart? Please let me know if any of that is incorrect.
You're not my optimal lynch today but even if I think d1 associative tells are bullshit there is always the possibility you are partnered with Nebbie.
I'll finish catching up today with a full reread of the thread and get back here. Maybe I'm wrong and switch back to Nebbie for now my vote can sit here.-
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nope fuck you
VOTE: Nebula
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You're right that was rude. Still I felt the need to move back here because I really do feel like this is my top lynchtoday even if it's just me and Elena here.In post 928, nebula wrote:
Piss off, jackass. There was no reason for that.In post 927, Hawk wrote:nope fuck you-
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So I've been here trying to catch up but I'm not entirely sure on everything and there are a lot of questions I want to ask.
Lowell do you have a case against Magna besides OMGUS? Because Magna seems to have punched some pretty big holes in your arguments. As well I don't buy the I forgot Elena as being simply that. If you are town and even if you're overwhelmed in another game (I can vouch he's in a game with a player named Chaos Im in that game too) And got confused for a second shouldn't your redux of why you left Elena off the list be I didn't. My post right above makes the assumption she is town these are just after thoughts I posted in addition. Instead you say I forgot Elena... no you didn't forget Elena.. you forgot that your line of thought included Elena anyway so you fix that post as a town list instead of an after thought which is how I read it the first time.
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Lowell it's pretty simple why does Town!Lowell says
I forgot Elena instead of no I townread Elena one post before I didn't think she needed to be included.
Like you didn't forget Elena in that 1 minute you had included her already. This is a scum slip to me because you were perusing your ISO trying to remember what you were saying and messed up.
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Why not...?In post 1097, Toto wrote:
I don't understand this questionIn post 1096, Hawk wrote:Why does town!Lowell say I forgot Elena instead of I townread her one post prior?-
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Lowell makes a catchup post in 889 Where he states Elena is clearly town. In post 890 he adds on that he has Strong town reads on Toto and MB.In post 1099, Toto wrote:Rephrase question in a more understandable way, I don't understand what you are asking.
in 916 he says he forgot Elena.
If I was town. I would go back and look at the post I was referred too to make sure things werent cut out. And then respond "I didn't leave her out. I townread her in 889 Toto why would you ask this?"
I forgot Elena is indicative of him not recalling his train of thought for post 890 and instead just being like oh yeah Elena should be there too.
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I know right he literally picked only the people who have been wagon'd/had pressure on them -_- and said I'll lynch anyone not named Lowell that other people were okay lynching.In post 1116, Hiraki wrote:I have never seen such safe opinions in my entire life.
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Who said they would lynch this?In post 1118, Elena Fisher wrote:VOTE: Magna
The fact people have said they'd lynch this but haven't voted here is just outright strange so let's see if people put their money where there mouth is-
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In post 1121, lucca261 wrote:Sorry guys, I won't be able to play this. I have to take a break from Mafia. I have no time to play. I will be requesting replacement on all my games (only this one), but anyway.
It's a difficult situation. I'm really sorry.
Creature, can you replace me out
I'm really sorry.
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I didn't think I needed to answer this. I wasn't caught up but if nothing else Nebula's Wagon had lost ridiculous amount of steam and I wasn't hammering/putting Sesq to L-1 so putting my vote on Hikari seemed to be fine while I caught up. People so mad about this :/ I don't have to keep it there for the lynch.In post 1002, Riley Cake wrote:
I THINK HAWK MIGHT BE SCUM!!!!In post 908, Hawk wrote:Okay So I need to catchup but both Magna and Toto seem to think Hiraki is scum and I was heavily townreading both those slots last time I checked so I'm okay with lynching Hiraki here if thats where we are going. Still don't think Sesq is a good lynch but if we have to lynch her I guess I'll look at the case later but not liking it.
VOTE: Hiraki
Also I still don't like Nebula.... But let me get caught up. I got 3 other games going and this one is the one I feel the most behind on suprisingly but I remember quite a bit of what was going down and feel confident in at least my TR's on Toto and Magna. Well Maybe not Toto... I have to go back and look and see if he was pocketing me. Sorry guys if this post isn't very helpful I've had a lot go on this weekend but trying to get back into a regular schedule so I can post.
there's no way he votes hiraki without even checking the reasoning just cos the people he townread say that hiraki is scum!!!!! what if they're wrong?? or scum??
grrrr!!! that's not how a real townie thinks!!!
I don't like BBT instructing Hammers. while I think he's document the only reason to be crying for hammer right now is to avoid a NL situation.
Also not sure if Sesq is trying to buy town points for not hammering here or honestly believes we can get momentum for a Nebula lynch after this with just 2 days left.-
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I'm feeling Nebula is scum, he is lacking logic with Magna's derailment. Magna spent most of d1 pushing Nebula to no avail and for a large majority of the day except near the later half Sesq was not the largest wagon nebula was. Hiraki derailed that wagon with his stance against Toto that drug votes off of Nebula. This led to a lot of moving of votes but overall town not staying on Neb. Sesq remained the largest wagon mostly from idle sitting votes by MB, Uzi, and Lowell.
So yeah not really buying it Nebbie :/-
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KT jumps off of Nebula wagon Hiraki comes in and defends pushing Sesq. These two votes flip the wagon for however long we leave Sesq at l-2 and then l-1 for and making Sesq's wagon stay consistently higher as town looked for other wagons.
Makes me think that Hiraki Nebula are never not together. I think Hiraki is fine but I'm unsure of Nebula because of his logic. Walk me through why Mol is scum with Sesq Neb. Because I'm not sold on it. :/-
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