Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:46 pm

In post 1733, MuttonChopMagic wrote:
In post 1724, Titus wrote:
In post 1723, MuttonChopMagic wrote:math disappearing after hard softing something thst had no reason to be softed is odd. it's a bit of a bother.
also... I find it unlikely Titus would he her check. this is just wifom, but like, didn't she town read Titus + woldnt you wanna save your check for someone you needed help reading aka not your brother?
Hey, I'm a woman.

Second, you haven't seen Math and I tunnel each other.
I have seen you tunnel math correctly.
I have not seen math tunnel you directly.
I have also not seen scum!Titus in a long ass time and I've never lost to scum!math (on my account that doesn't rhyme)

If I gave I shit I could use this to hunt down who this guy is
But I'm not angry at him so I don't give a shit

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:55 pm

In post 1780, Titus wrote:
In post 1779, MuttonChopMagic wrote:so the scum team is me/vedith/Paul?
the game is done, Titus solves it yall!
Itlepip not Paul.

This seem kinda, um, totally bonkers. The main people who pushed MCM after his switch were me Titus and Vedith iirc, maybe Sesq. This means Titus was sheeped by scum on scum.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:57 pm

In post 2411, Vedith wrote:
In post 2409, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hell yes. I'd been given that option before. Once I replaced back into a hydra, once I wanted to replace back in but the slot never opened.
Right now I have no idea who is who, and who was who.

I'm myself and itlepip
RC is AS and both are scumfucks
Kelvin is MCM and I think they're Town rn
Navy is Sheep and could be scum but I'm not certain there

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:18 pm

In post 1875, Kelvin Smith wrote:UNVOTE: Titus

I'm inclined to agree with Titus that Math is a better lynch, since a town flip confirms Titus and a scum flip puts scrutiny on her. Not saying that's the lynch of the Day, of course. Need to gt a better handle on things first.

Do you have reasoning beyond the "confirm Titus possibly" idea?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:40 pm

In post 1940, Titus wrote:@Kelvin,

Look, let's be frank here. I don't think either you or Math is scum. I think you're both being stubborn. I'd still lynch you over Math because Math can never vote me and does nothing for PoE.

Creature was the first death after massclaim. Let's just lynch whichever n1 doctor didn't heal Creature and is not you.

That would be RC or navy
So my primary scumread or yours

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:47 pm

In post 1969, alban wrote:This is the final straw. I haven't done anything? Fuck off, Kelvin.

Mod, replace me.

While I don't replace out at it, I do feel "doing nothing" is the worst logic this site has ever seen. It's a no-effort statement and is usually totally wrong.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:49 pm

In post 1971, Kelvin Smith wrote:This game really can't afford anymore replacements, but if I have somehow offended you and this wasn't merely a misunderstanding, let's try to work this out, please. My intent wasn't to attack you. To be clear again, I have not read anything prior to replacing in, nor do I plan to. And since I have replaced in, we have had little to no interaction with each other. Under those limited criteria, I feel it's fair to say you've done little to impact me during this period.

@Almost50:
If alban doesn't rescind his request, replace me instead. I'm not going to be responsible for forcing another player out of the game.

I'm not going to call Kelvin conftown for this but this seems towny.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:52 pm

In post 2000, NJAC wrote:Don't replace me. I'm still reading. On weekends I can't contribute much.

WRT some recent posts I prefer to lynch Navy than AS. This could change when I finish reading, but meanwhile you have my support on that lynch, Vedith:

VOTE: Navy

How much have you "read"?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:05 pm

In post 2034, NJAC wrote:@Titus: did you read D1?

Nope
Learn to deal with it.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:36 am

In post 2424, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 2414, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1875, Kelvin Smith wrote:UNVOTE: Titus

I'm inclined to agree with Titus that Math is a better lynch, since a town flip confirms Titus and a scum flip puts scrutiny on her. Not saying that's the lynch of the Day, of course. Need to gt a better handle on things first.
Do you have reasoning beyond the "confirm Titus possibly" idea?
I'm not sure what you're asking.What do you mean by reasoning? I mean, logically speaking, if Math flips town, then Titus must be town, since Math claims to have Copped Titus and gotten an innocent.

On the other hand, Math flipping scum does nothing to confirm Titus as either town or scum, so Titus arguably needs to be checked again.

I'm asking if you actually scumread Mathblade.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:49 am

In post 2038, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 2037, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2036, NotTheRealPaul wrote:kelvin is a doc....
So? He could say he was a cop and lied or have his buddy do it. I don't see a way this doesn't turn into me v Kelvin and Titus seems to have a plan and I'm trying to talk with her to see what she thinks, ya know being confirmed town and all.
If I ever say that I'm a Cop from this point on, everyone can just feel free to lynch me. This isn't a gambit or a ploy. If I claim Cop, fucking lynch me. I'm a Doc, period, so let's just cut this nonsense off at the pass and discuss things that actually matter.

-Kelvin

Also your predecessor switch the other way so you switching would make you conf mafia so \_O_/

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:51 am

In post 2039, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 2037, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2036, NotTheRealPaul wrote:kelvin is a doc....
So? He could say he was a cop and lied or have his buddy do it. I don't see a way this doesn't turn into me v Kelvin and Titus seems to have a plan and I'm trying to talk with her to see what she thinks, ya know being confirmed town and all.
Actually though, I'm really glad you brought up that buddy thing. Thanks for giving me the ammunition I needed to push your lynch today. You've perfectly illustrated exactly why we can't keep you alive today.

So basically, we need to lynch Math today, regardless of alignment. If we mislynch today and Math is town, then scum have every incentive to claim a guilty on them. This will feed into the confirmation bias of anybody else who already finds Math suspect (myself included) and is going to result in a town loss.

If Math is scum and we mislynch today, we risk Titus and Math pushing the mislynch of a legitimate Cop who has a guilty on Math tomorrow.

I don't want to risk either of those and I don't have any confidence in our odds of hitting scum in the Doc pool, since apparently nobody even wants to consider Titus as the lynch right now.

Do you see a universe where Math is scum and Titus isn't as possible? It seems you're convinced they're partners.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:03 am

Reads
Mathblade - possibly scum
RadiantCowbells - scummy mcscummers
NJAC - ugh I think he may be stalling or lurking rn, possibly scum
Titus - town
Navy - could be scum
alban - seems like town
Vedith - town?
NotTheRealPaul - no damn clue nothing stands out from him
Kelvin Smith - probably Town

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:19 am

In post 2067, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm not.
No one is lynching anyone until I'm 100% sure what I want to do. And no one is lynching Navy period, she's town.
Can I get a full list of claims?

Where the hell did THIS come from?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:24 am

In post 2096, RadiantCowbells wrote:
I CLAIM COP WITH A GUILTY ON TITUS. WE ARE LYNCHING IN THE TWO OF US, OR MATHBLADE IF I CAN'T NEGOTIATE A TITUS LYNCH.

Just wow
RC has lost it

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:25 am

In post 2097, Kelvin Smith wrote:I'm not trying to buddy you, RC, but you are very quickly becoming my new favorite player. Especially after turning around mirro's slot in that Newbie game. You don't know how relieving it is to finally have somebody else on this Math/Titus train.

Also MFW my half assed reads that game were right

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:27 am

In post 2111, RadiantCowbells wrote:UNVOTE:

NEVERMIND TITUS IS PROBABLY TOWN

Lol this is why you read

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:40 am

In post 2158, RadiantCowbells wrote:I know Sheep's main and them replacing out as scum in that situation doesn't really resonate with me whereas them doing it as scum makes a lot of sense.

I would prefer to lynch Alban as opposed to any of the other doctor claims. I further point out that Math has been calling Alban confscum the whole game but is voting everywhere else.

Is that all your reasoning for townreading Navy?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:12 am

In post 2161, RadiantCowbells wrote:Whereas them doing it as town. Sorry for the poor wording.

So, there's 3 potential doc protects.

1) Gamma/Itlepip, who was a major wagon for a substantial amount of D1 and as a result feels really unlikely to have been the shot.
2) Creature, who was not a major wagon but also not a major priority and is not a particularly threatening player as scum
3) NJAC. Heavily townread, never wagoned, on the lower end of activity but contributed a lot to the game.

I strongly believe that my protect was the one that actually happened.

You know what
RC isn't actually so bad from what I'm seeing in my catch-up
And Kelvin's points about the AS thing so far make sense
I might be wrong on you RC. I want to discuss reads with you rn.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:28 am

In post 2189, NotTheRealPaul wrote:Alban or math I'm prob sheeping kelvin. Essentially u have a double vote.

Tentative townread on NTRP
Feel scum would be more divisive or something

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:32 am

In post 2211, RadiantCowbells wrote:Okay then if you're town consider yourself a sacrifice to get town on the same page.

This seems alright
I think there has been one time I sacrificed myself to get Town on the same page. I was a major focus of the game and I selfhammered to remove myself as a target.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:34 am

UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells
At this point I'm willing to talk with him a bit
I'm still going to discuss the AS thing with Kelvin though

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:38 am

If I am a n3 cop I will cop one of the n1 docs

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:09 am

Yeah but
RC's logic doesn't seem scum motivated

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:14 am

In post 2455, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 2453, Gamma Emerald wrote:UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells
At this point I'm willing to talk with him a bit
I'm still going to discuss the AS thing with Kelvin though
What did you want to discuss with me about AS? Regarding why he would assume his thing was wrong, right?

I'm trying to wrap my head around explaining this strategy. It makes sense to me intuitively, but it's really complex and difficult to lay out. I'm trying, but there are many permutations, so I'm going to need to figure out how to streamline that.

Yeah
While the initial logic is explained I still feel his reactions aren't very towny

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:48 am

That sound like it only works with a no kill tbh
Is that what you think happened? This isn't accusatory, just a feeler for what you think went down.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:59 am

In post 612, Almost50 wrote:
VC 1.15
CommKnight (7)
: Agent Sparkles, Cooperative Sheep, NotTheRealPaul, Sesq, MuttonChopMagic, Hellfire Missile, LunaeCinere,

Cooperative Sheep (3)
: CommKnight, Creature, aronagrundy,

Sesq (1)
: Gamma Emerald,

Creature (1)
: NJAC,

Hellfire Missile (1)
: alban,

Not Voting
(0):
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2017-06-02 18:30:00)

Quoting this for scumteam spec based on Kelvin's theory. I have a certain idea in mind of who might execute that type of plan. Would have to be a more experienced player so NTRP and Lunae (Vedith) are probably not the mastermind.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:57 pm

In post 2478, RadiantCowbells wrote:Titus you don't get to randomly tell people to cop me because you've been too lazy in the ~50 games we've played together to ever make a tiny bit of effort to learn to read me.

I think there's more to it
Can we talk about reads?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:57 pm

In post 2480, Kelvin Smith wrote:Quick survey: How many people
know
that Titus is town? Like, you know it so much that you'd be willing to bet the game on it?

I remember my reasoning being something aroma did
Might recheck that tbh

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:38 pm

In post 2485, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 2482, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2480, Kelvin Smith wrote:Quick survey: How many people
know
that Titus is town? Like, you know it so much that you'd be willing to bet the game on it?
I remember my reasoning being something aroma did
Might recheck that tbh
To be clear, you are saying that something her slot did was enough for you to know for a fact that Titus is town?

Yeah

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:28 am

In post 2513, alban wrote:Kelvin:
"If Math Flips Town, all Docs on Titus and all Cops on Navy.
If Math flips scum, All Docs on Gamma and all Cops on alban."

This won't fly.
1. If Math flips town, why should cops be on Navy? They should be on you or RC coz you are the ones pushing their lynch.
2. If Math flips scum, why should the cops be on me? They should obviously be on Titus who is fighting to stop their lynch.

Personally I'm curious what makes me worth doccing

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:29 am

In post 2513, alban wrote:Kelvin:
"If Math Flips Town, all Docs on Titus and all Cops on Navy.
If Math flips scum, All Docs on Gamma and all Cops on alban."

This won't fly.
1. If Math flips town, why should cops be on Navy? They should be on you or RC coz you are the ones pushing their lynch.
2. If Math flips scum, why should the cops be on me? They should obviously be on Titus who is fighting to stop their lynch.

Also Alban RC is pushing you not Math

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:42 am

In post 2586, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 2573, Titus wrote:We agree on Kelvin lock town. Let's start there.
I'm going to stop you right there. It doesn't matter that I know I'm town. It doesn't matter that I'm obviously town. It doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense for me to be anything else but town. Don't lock me as town unless you have the hard data to back it up. That's just good policy.

Excuse me but you were on Titus' case for saying no to lynching Math because that wasn't a good info lynch for her.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:23 am

I thought of a solid idea. We lynch in docs today and we make a cop chain. Here's a starting chain.
Vedith cops Math
I cop Vedith
Paul cops me
NJAC/replacement cops Paul

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:24 am

I thought you meant something else
Ty

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:31 am

My thought is by making the line we make it really hard for scum to hide as with proper execution we have more Town given results than scum given

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:49 am

Actually if we have over lap that means we can possibly get more alignments judged anyway
If we have contradictory results then we have a 1 v 1 and a slot solved
Two of the same means a very likely true result

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:48 am

Wait why is Paul scum?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:52 am

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:57 am

That's not a good look
Why do you always coast

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:38 am

Ok
I can understand that

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:42 am

Navy flakes as both alignments

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:44 am

In post 2441, Gamma Emerald wrote:Reads
Mathblade - possibly scum
RadiantCowbells - scummy mcscummers
NJAC - ugh I think he may be stalling or lurking rn, possibly scum
Titus - town
Navy - could be scum
alban - seems like town
Vedith - town?
NotTheRealPaul - no damn clue nothing stands out from him
Kelvin Smith - probably Town

This is my last read of alban
At this point I'm thinking my lynch order for docs is Navy > alban > RC (Titus and Kelvin are off the table). I could see it but it's not as prevalent as Navy from what I've seen

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:13 am

Yeah
I wasn't speaking about this before because ongoing game but I rolled wolf with him in a jungle oligarchy and he had this same awkwardness. But I think he might just be awk since I specced one of his Newbie games and he was that way there

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:17 am

That's about Hellfire's play

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:25 am

That's a major stance change actually
Alban I'd like an explanation.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:16 pm

Circumstances may have gotten us a replacement for someone

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:53 pm

I don't think I see much effort from Alban to narrow down his scumpool tbh

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:56 pm

In post 2790, alban wrote:
In post 2731, Vedith wrote:Creature was town day 1 and flipped town. Alban is the most believable town out of the 3.
Thank you. I feel a bit vindicated.

But that has kinda been refuted

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:06 pm

Can you at list give the strength of your reads?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:09 pm

In post 2806, alban wrote:
In post 2795, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2793, alban wrote:
In post 2738, RadiantCowbells wrote:a cursory inspection of the votecounts will show you that creature was a wagon for much of d1 and there were other people expressing their support for the wagon on D1.

he wasn't the nightkill in any universe.

In post 2739, Vedith wrote:So you never read day 1. cool.
Exactly. This guy never reads, gives false logic, misrepresents me, and wants to get away with it.
even if you're town NJAC was the nightkill. sorry that's just facts.
The only way you know that is if you are scum. Otherwise everything (including Creature being a NK) is just a conjecture.

That makes no sense. If NJAC was killed and RC/AS were mafia wouldn't we have a death n1?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:00 pm

In post 2816, alban wrote:
In post 2808, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2806, alban wrote:
In post 2795, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2793, alban wrote:
In post 2738, RadiantCowbells wrote:a cursory inspection of the votecounts will show you that creature was a wagon for much of d1 and there were other people expressing their support for the wagon on D1.

he wasn't the nightkill in any universe.

In post 2739, Vedith wrote:So you never read day 1. cool.
Exactly. This guy never reads, gives false logic, misrepresents me, and wants to get away with it.
even if you're town NJAC was the nightkill. sorry that's just facts.
The only way you know that is if you are scum. Otherwise everything (including Creature being a NK) is just a conjecture.
That makes no sense. If NJAC was killed and RC/AS were mafia wouldn't we have a death n1?
Even if Agent Sparkles saved NJAC, how would AS know that NJAC was the choice for NK? How does anyone know anything for sure? That was my point. In fact, if I am town, why is it so difficult for RC to digest that Creature could have been the choice for NK?

What
The point is you are arguing RC is scum, killed NJAC, and no kill happened
The fuck?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:22 pm

In post 835, aronagrundy wrote:
@mod: replace out

Sorry y'all. Nothing serious but I'm busier than expected irl.

Someone should probably look at the comm wagon for scum btw. Was meaning to but yeah

I liked this because it was giving a final bit of guidance
If aronaslot is scum then the wagon is likely mostly Town (0-1 scum I'd say)

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:23 pm

OML
Are we really going to make the mistake made in Mini 1866? Are we really not lynching a guilty?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:26 pm

That was in response to RC saying not to lynch Navy. RC is right she'd be arguing for something that contributed to a past Town loss and I won't have that.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:40 pm

Vedith please fucking listen if you're Town. I want to minimize stupid tunnels and following orders does that.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:50 pm

Ok
I just added 2 and 2 and got 11 got it

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:21 pm

I won't scumread you for breaking from a plan. I know that Town can do that from The Thing Mafia.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:45 am

Giggles...

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:17 am

I'd suggest reading Days 2 and 3

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:33 pm

In post 2902, Almost50 wrote:Let me interrupt your scumhunting with this song with feels on-spot describing how all 20+ of you have been voting in this game. Yeah, I know there are only 10 players alive in the game, but counting the dead and the replacements (and replacements for replacements) the numbers just get multiplied, which is AMAZING!

We apologize for this brief interruption and we resume the original program momentarily. Carry on, please.

Can someone tell me what this song is

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:38 pm

In post 2904, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 2900, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:as scum though i'd be concerned with the outcome

like the only reason i'd see it from scum is if they thought they could pull off a dumbtell like that or something and neither you nor mutton strike me as that type of player
I don't know Mutton well enough to make that assessment, so I don't know if this is a fair assessment. Regardless, I know that his actions weren't scum-motivated, so it's a moot point for me. But I can think of various reasons why other people could see it as indicative of alignment either way. Which is why reads are generally so grossly inaccurate.

I think mutton claimed alt
Also he wasn't being dumb, just trying to gambit

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:44 pm

In post 2912, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 1378, Navy wrote:Hello Splatlock Holmes. D:
Navy, why this reaction to jj's replace in?

and reading the posts around the post you linked, kelvin, i think it's consistent with the way he's viewing the game so it doesn't really change that read. like i'm getting the impression he actually feels victimized and is trying to reach out and be the better person. i dont really know if i agree with his mentality in general this game or if i'm articulating my thoughts correctly but it feels genuine

Titus wrote:
In post 2910, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 2908, Titus wrote:@K

Everytime I turn around you are talking about how Math and I cannot be together bc you cannot control Math and I. It's an equally valid reason to lynch you and RC. You refuse to let me go through my process, gove reasons beyond strategy, or consider my pov.
Titus, why Navy > Alban?

Why not Mathblade? Just because you think it's more optimal to lynch a doctor claim or because you townread them?
Navy is an alt avoiding this thread.
I think doc cops and lynches break the game wide open if not solve it.
I was hard tring Math but Vedith freaked me.
i can definitely see navy lurking out here as town tbh

how would a navy scumflip solve this game?

And what do you mean by "freaked"? And why were you hard townreading math?

I can say Navy was involved in Spring Fever
Also another account of hers modded a game we were both in

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:49 pm

In post 2930, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 2925, Titus wrote:I would answer but driving
dont mafia scum and drive

Something funny came from someone doing that
There were 2 Town ascetics in a game and one was tunneling the other and the tunneled one said at one point "the mod Mafiascums and drives, doesn't surprise me he'd add 2 Ascetics" or something like that

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:51 pm

Fuck
I just realized I should do some game comparison
In a past game wagons were very fluid and I think I can possibly analyze that and this and make guesses as to the best route

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:53 pm

Open to it
But let me do my comparison before speaking further on it

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:00 pm

Tbh I'm not sure if it can really be compared
Here it's different people switching around
The other game it was like the same 2+ people

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:09 pm

In post 2941, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:ok this game is on lock

{titus rc gamma paul} never flip scum and i'm like 90% sure kelvin is town too. alban is probably town but dont take my word for it.

my guess for the team is math/navy/vedith in order of certainty but with those lock four as town i dont think we can possibly lose

gamma do you disagree on any of this?

Not sure about including RC or Paul as conftown but you do you
Maybe I should work on making sure I know my reads before going forth with how much has been going on

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:14 pm

In post 612, Almost50 wrote:
VC 1.15
CommKnight (7)
: Agent Sparkles, Cooperative Sheep, NotTheRealPaul, Sesq, MuttonChopMagic, Hellfire Missile, LunaeCinere,

Cooperative Sheep (3)
: CommKnight, Creature, aronagrundy,

Sesq (1)
: Gamma Emerald,

Creature (1)
: NJAC,

Hellfire Missile (1)
: alban,

Not Voting
(0):
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2017-06-02 18:30:00)

I said if Titus is scum not both her buddies are on Comm. Since math would have to be scum that would leave
Giga
Alban
And me as suspects.
Kelvin do you see these as possible thirds for Math and Titus?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:16 pm

Kelvin thinks Math and Titus are teamed: Im trying to reason him out of it

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:18 pm

Well
He can see me + Titus + Math
So I guess there's that

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:23 pm

aroma said to look at the comm wagon. Don't think she'd do that with two buddies there

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:44 pm

In post 2961, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i don't see the point of speculating any of this

can we just focus on lynching scum? do you think math is scum or not gamma and why

I think there's a chance
I feel like if I look back at

something

I'll have harder opinions

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:51 pm

I believe I was there
That was Railgun right?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:59 pm

I mainly meant looking at this game

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:00 pm

@Alban and NTRP: do you have any ideas for good things to look back on?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:13 pm

In post 2971, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 2969, Gamma Emerald wrote:I mainly meant looking at this game
Oh, did you? I thought by game comparison, you meant you were going to compare it to past games. I guess I misinterpreted what you said.

Yes
But when I said I was looking back more recently I meant in this game

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:32 pm

LOL
Looking back I rembember HM was so damn scummy
VOTE: Mathblade
That came from self-ISOing fyi

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:47 pm

Tbh I'd rather not have navy copped if she's being a lurksack
I feel like if she were scum that would be giving her what she wants

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:11 pm

Wait
That was hammer?
Lemme count
Me
Kelvin
RC
Giga
Someone else I forget

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:27 pm

But if math is scum there's no Cop assigned to RC

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:31 pm

In post 3176, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 3173, Gamma Emerald wrote:But if math is scum there's no Cop assigned to RC
Can you go on RC? If we don't get a guilty, we'll probably lynch Navy anyway.

I can work with that

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:37 pm

Thoughts on my plan of establishing a chain of cops checking cops I gave earlier

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:44 pm

Tbh
Id say Giga cops Alban
I cop Paul
Paul cops Vedith
Vedith picks anyone not (Alban, Paul, Kelvin/Titus (depending on math's flip: Math scum flip means Kelvin is not allowed, Town flip means Titus isn't allowed))

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:54 pm

In post 3199, Vedith wrote:We lynched a cop when scum is 100% chance in the docs.

What a shit town.
It's just RC and Titus trying to wave their egos around.
And Titus trying to justify lynching there.

And Gamma, My pool to check will be ;

RadiantCowbells
gigabyteTroubadour
Gamma Emerald
Titus
Navy
alban
NotTheRealPaul
Kelvin Smith

Trying to dictate where a cop checks means scum can easily setup a mislynch.
I've never seen such amateur plays from a group of players who shouldn't be totally shit.

At least remove Titus or Kelvin based on Math's flip
You cop Kelvin after a math scumflip I lynch you

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:59 pm

In post 3205, Vedith wrote:
In post 3203, Kelvin Smith wrote:I don't like to insult people, but I'm tired of your shit attitude. You're a shit player. Shut the hell up and fall in line, because you've been useless all day.

Apologies to everyone for losing my cool, but I needed to say it, because I've had it up to here with his disrespectful shit.
I'm not following any shit plan.
I wouldn't have to be disrespectful if it was such a stupid fucking town.

All day today it's been nothing but useless shit.
My attitude won't change tomorrow either, so you should push my lynch if your little feelings are hurt.

GTFO.

Whatever. You cop obvtown you get lynched.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:02 pm

In post 3211, Vedith wrote:
In post 3210, Gamma Emerald wrote:Whatever. You cop obvtown you get lynched.
You're really convincing me to do this.
Keep it going, Gamma.

I'm going to cop a dead player.

As I said: You cop Titus on a Math town flip, or Kelvin on a Math scumflip, you get lynched.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:05 pm

In post 3216, Vedith wrote:
In post 3214, Gamma Emerald wrote:As I said: You cop Titus on a Math town flip, or Kelvin on a Math scumflip, you get lynched.
I'm doing this 100% now.
So if you're town, you just fucked town from a check.

Whatever. Hope you never play on EM because this level of contrarianism will make people hate you.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:11 pm

I don't think you can do that. I tried something similar once early in my career and it got shot down hard

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:12 pm

In post 3230, Vedith wrote:
In post 3229, Kelvin Smith wrote:Guys, what's the site policy regarding asking for another player to be replaced in a game? Like, I don't know about the rest of you, but if we can all request Almost50 to replace Vedith, I think we should. The only issue I have there is that he might be scum and this is just a shitty tactic to not be useful.
This makes my point stronger.
Is okay with someone doing nothing in the game and wasting a spot, but as soon as I refuse to follow a plan, wants me replaced.

I was trying to be as open ended with your action as I could
But if you're going to have a concrete skull I won't even try

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:15 pm

Actually yes we do have chronic lurkers there. Like, my first game there were several. The most egregious IMO was BlueDrago. Dude hardcore lurked until he gladiated then he was sorta active. There's no real activity rules on my home site.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:26 pm

In post 3240, Vedith wrote:
In post 3238, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually yes we do have chronic lurkers there. Like, my first game there were several. The most egregious IMO was BlueDrago. Dude hardcore lurked until he gladiated then he was sorta active. There's no real activity rules on my home site.
So your site encourages people to not play.
Good to know.

It doesn't encourage it. People get pushed for lurking, and bad cases get blacklisted. It's not like they just let it slide. It just has more lax requirements.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:27 pm

In post 3243, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 3236, Vedith wrote:17 real days, 5 posts (0 really).
And it's acceptable to not be lynched.

Is this the same on your home site, Gamma?
No, it's not acceptable to lynch. It's acceptable to replace and depending how often it happens, might be acceptable to ban.

Why are you speaking for me

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:40 pm

In post 3254, Vedith wrote:Also, before the day ends.
If Math flips town then Gigga/NJAC is scum.

Remember that depending on flips.

Why

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:43 pm

If Math flips Town I'll look at the slot mkay

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:47 pm

Well alright then

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:51 pm

I just want A50 to come by so we can stop circle jerking

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:59 pm

In post 3305, MathBlade wrote:Titus I innocented you.

Oh?

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:03 pm

I saw
But him acting like that is interesting

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:55 pm

Paul Ain't following any plans

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:09 pm

Fairly certain RC was scum in civ

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:32 pm

In post 3362, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 3355, RadiantCowbells wrote:Giga, do you need me checked before the end of the game to townread me
no

AS's catch up was super obvtown and helped me catch up

and rc was scum in both? rc what are you referring to

Biochemistry is a just finished Large theme

Gamma Emerald · Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:41 pm

I'm the same
My sleep schedule is firmly stuck on "sleep until it's afternoon"

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:04 am

Nothing from last night.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:25 am

In post 3441, Kelvin Smith wrote:
In post 3434, Titus wrote:Nope but it's equally not a stretch that Math was a planned bus.
Is it though? I mean, if town were actually the ones opposing the Math lynch, why the hell would they not just turn around and go with you on the Navy lynch? Especially if Navy is scum, as you've been saying? They tried to derail a potential bus on a lurker by bussing on a player that the town (especially you, a vocal and influential player) opposed? Nah, that doesn't pass the smell test.

I feel like it would be fucking ridiculous to claim that there isn't scum among you, Vedith, and alban. Considering Vedith is confirmed town, that means we pretty much must lynch either you or alban. Of you two, I think that alban is more likely to be scum. But I could honestly see it go either way or even both ways.

What? How does that "Vedith, Titus, Alban" theory work?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:46 am

Well then based on that who would be their most likely partners?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:59 am

Okay what does b.a.r.d. mean?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:13 am

You say you don't want to let your theories limit your perspective but I'm pretty sure that's what happened for quite a bit of yesterday? I'm guessing you're just trying to improve but I'm like "uhhh what" a bit when reading that sentence.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:26 am

In post 3418, Vedith wrote:
In post 3416, Titus wrote:So if Vedith is scum, Giga has to be.
Considering me and Gigga, and Math are all cops, it's impossible that I'm scum.
Nice try though, Titus.

We lynch Titus today.
I said already that Math and Titus are always going at it apart from the 1 time they were both scum. And on this Titus accepted Math as town with such ease when Math claimed town.

In UpickinFreezer they went at it as scum

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:27 am

In post 3454, Vedith wrote:Titus, answer us this.
Are you a day 4 doc?

If no, we lynch here today.
If yes, we don't and I can check someone tonight, and if I die then Titus is scum.

It will give us 2 confirmed town tomorrow, or a confirmed scum with the possibility of lynching a scum today.

Why not Kelvin?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:13 am

Yes I am a night four cop

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:20 am

Sounds alright, pending agreement from the others

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:57 am

Alright.
As far as I see it autowin depends on lining things up right target wise
So I'll analyze the remaining cops and pick
> the best town pick if we lynch Town
> the best mafia suspect if we lynch mafia

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:39 am

Did a small peek at the two suspects for today, both ping me. Alban just generically scummy while CS seems flat and the lurking from Navy is really fricking bad.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:42 am

VOTE: Alban
O-K

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:51 am

That's why I said what I said. We lynch Town, scum has to kill one of (Kelvin, Titus, Giga) to have a shot. We lynch scum, scum trying to guess my target means a suspect is gone. Might waste my power but it keeps them from killing a townier player.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:30 pm

Hai giggles

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:48 pm

You mean Day 3? Also I don't think you really have room to talk down to anyone rn.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:50 pm

In post 3521, Titus wrote:
In post 3518, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 3517, Titus wrote:Why don't we lynch Navy? Saves almost the hassle and reveals a lot.

VOTE: Navy
what does it tell us
What happened during day 2. Namely that it was probably your ego shouting down a scum lynch and you got lucky.

I mean, RC wasn't even pushing Math that hard, that was Kelvin

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:52 pm

Like
Getting mad at RC for pushing math is wrong, and crediting him for it is also wrong

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:28 pm

In post 3542, alban wrote:Gamma, Giga, why are you voting for me? Reasons please.

Because I feel that your posts are coming from a scum perspective. One interesting thing is you having voiced a scumread on Sesq day 1, yet you act like you are not tied to the push except for the vote. I may be wrong here but that's what I get a sense of.
Interesting thought occurred to me. I think with a scumflip it might be worth it to check the rush to lynch CommKnight.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:34 pm

Reading back didn't do much
No really bad votes because it was from a Town wagon to a town wagon

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:46 pm

In post 3550, Kelvin Smith wrote:@Vedith: If upon checking Gamma, you discover he is scum, do me a favor and don't post until he posts his result.

What would that do? If I were scum I'd know he'd get a guilty on me, so any play I make afterwards is made with that in mind. So what would a result from me accomplish?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:47 pm

Like, the only thing that explains that logic fail is you forgot scum know how they will investigate.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:37 am

I'm copping in (Giga, RC, Navy) as either of (Kelvin, Titus) being scum will likely be evident. What result I go for depends on Albany flip. I'll go for the same alignment Alban flips.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:36 pm

Guys
I have a hurt toe that just randomly bled onto my couch
Fml

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:50 pm

In post 3642, RadiantCowbells wrote:yeah this is flipping scum

gamma you should be on titus

If it does maybe
If not no way

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:37 pm

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:15 am

Giga town is my result.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:18 am

VOTE: RadiantCowbells
Because it has to be RC + Navy

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:20 am

In post 3614, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm copping in (Giga, RC, Navy) as either of (Kelvin, Titus) being scum will likely be evident. What result I go for depends on Albany flip. I'll go for the same alignment Alban flips.

Since Alban flipped Town I went for my best bet for town, which was Giga

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:26 am

I figured Titus scum would kill me so I didn't really think it was an issue
Though maybe it's RC/Titus
Fack

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:28 am

Like
I just realized coppibg Dunnstral might have been better

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:29 am

In post 3673, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 3671, Dunnstral wrote:I'm actually town though

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
what do you think you're doing

Scum can't quickhammer unless two Town misvote though

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:44 am

In post 3682, RadiantCowbells wrote:Stop being dumb and wait for Vedith.

@Gamma I'm town. If you're town and refuse to reevaluate we are going to lose this game.
Titus's 'no bus' meta has been dead for a long time and an example of her bussing can be found in this game where I had her claim a guilty on me and bus me for the win.

I don't know how you well you know my relationship with Math but we have fought ridiculously every time we've played. I only replaced into this game because I knew they were scum before I did. Titus can say what she will about what Math would have done but I just wouldn't have. Like, if Math replaced into a slot and tried to bus me I would fucking lose my shit at them. I would expect the same reaction from them and maybe Math wouldn't gamethrow but there's no way they would have talked to me like they did if we were both scum.

Like, look at the way they're trying to appease me since immediately on my replace in. That's just not a SvS interaction, and I would have been super wary of pushing on Math if I had taken a scum slot.

And whatever Titus says, Math is super proud and super hard resents the idea that I'm better than them. They never lie over and let me bus them like they did here, ever, especially when I made a point of calling out that their scumgame isn't as good as they claim. And frankly I just wouldn't insult a scummate's play who I've had issues with in the past while I'm bussing them.

I'm aware the "Titus doesn't bus" meta is a thing of the past
I'm just like "ugh maybe I'm wrong"
I'm going to read back and see who makes the most sense as the final two

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:46 am

UNVOTE:
Alright then.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:25 pm

Fuck
I just realized it might be a challenge with all the replacements to get a good compression of users I want to analyze the interactions of
I remember MarioManiac4 once managed to expand the multi-user ISO function to more than 3 people but I don't know how

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:48 pm

In post 3714, Vedith wrote:I'm 100% serious on Gamma guilty.
No questions we vote here.

Then you all lynch Dunn tomorrow.

MMM I don't think so
I know I'm Town so my best guess is "reaction test"

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:50 pm

In post 3718, Vedith wrote:Stop Gamma. You're Scum.
Tell me I'm cool!

You're cool
But I'm still not mafia

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:53 pm

In post 3720, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:You're Not_Mafia?

Never in a million years would I have guessed.

Nah
We've played together so that's not possible

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:39 pm

In post 3735, Vedith wrote:Gamma, if there was 1 Scum in Titus and Dunn, who is it?

Neither.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:42 pm

I'm undecided rn so I gave a joke answer

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:29 pm

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald user Self-Destruct
It was super effective!
Gamma Emerald fainted!

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:31 pm

In post 3757, Vedith wrote:Thanks Gamma <3

yw

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:09 pm

For no-o-o-o-othing.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:16 pm

That's actually sorta one of the reasons: Navy's absence
I tried to make it look like I was bleating like a sheep... a Cooperative Sheep

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:19 pm

In post 3766, Titus wrote:VOTE: gamma

L+1

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:20 pm

I think this is my first time playing as mafia against Titus actually

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:21 am

Gottem
I'm going to make a serious analysis of my play later because this was probably my best scumplay yet

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:46 am

My biggest personal victory was my opening. I broke my trend of being awkward early game and having little drive to play by just throwing myself in to the fray. Infinity 324 better watch out now! Also, this might be first time actually surviving to not be the first scum in a group of 3 to die that I ever had.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:50 am

Btw thanks to Creature for that

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:12 am

In post 3947, Creature wrote:When it was night 1 I was considering quitting mafia because I was too busy and was quickly losing interess.

Don't worry though, I'm not quitting mafia.

YOU SHOULD STILL SEND A NIGHT ACTION
YOU CAN GET REPLACED FFS