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I am indeed a teacher and Performer you have a great memory -I don't think that's something we spoke of recently?
Also, this Lefty wagon looks great huh? More people should join.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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That's actually pretty flattering Performer but we can talk more about that post-game!
Unfortunately, secret alts are all over the place. I'd sooner policy lynch em all!
So, how about that Lefty wagon?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I'd like it to take off and potentially lead to a lynch.In post 46, Lefty wrote: How about it?
Thoughts on that?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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This is a good post.In post 61, Tchill13 wrote:wondering if invisibility is just trying to LOOK town or not.
I don't have much else to say on your wagon - but with the current gamestate I am even more inclined to push you now.In post 70, Lefty wrote: Random wagoning is all good and fine. I was just seeing what BBT had to say since they pushed it several times
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here and I'm not sure whether this vote is serious or not. I feel like it is?In post 71, teacher wrote:Im actually kind of inclined to agree. Last time I played with Town!BBT, they pushed a mislynch (me, grrrr) several times, but at least provided reasoning.
VOTE: BBT.
BBT - strongest scum/town read, why, and +rand on it?
Those are also bad questions as well for page 4.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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What I'm doing is most definitely not bad - if I wasn't doing what I am doing then we would have nothing to talk about for a start.
It's nothing you have done that makes me think you could be scum if that helps at all.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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TChill is town - seeing the same things I am with regards to teacher and invisibility.
I actually think Lefty is newb town - scum tend to shy away from addressing their wagons (and potentially inviting direct confrontation) and try to look unbothered about being pushed. I guess Lefty could be over reacting scum but it doesn't feel like that to me.
VOTE: teacher
I don't think Gosrir is scum - I could see Bryan though.
Teacher/Invisibility/Bryan is my early guess and bragging rights post-gameMeta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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You're missing the point Byron.
If I wanted to hide/withhold information - why would I state that I am hiding/withholding information? Instead of just hiding/withholding the information without explicitly stating that I am doing so.
Last time I'm asking this before I conclude you're scum who doesn't want to backtrack on a read.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Ah OK. Attitude doesn't make someone scum so you're gonna have to try harder than that.
Thanks for response Wave, I disagree with reasoning on Invis vote as I could easily see it being qualified as RVS.
I disagree on Byron as well - this feels like scum who don't want to backtrack on a read. Trying to stay consistent/how they think they would act as town.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Why were you asking for a case if you're fine with the wagon anyway?In post 242, Gustavo wrote:Well I’m fine with either wagon but for now I’d rather go with performer.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Why? What would that achieve?
I feel like that was a 'look busy' question - the answer clearly does not matter to you.
PEdit - Lefty, which people do you think teacher pushed and can you show examples of this please?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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That's a strange post from GEO and I'm not sure what to make of it.
I feel like it's pretty bad that he attempted to apply pressure on me (when I was the leading wagon) but now that it's dissolved he kind of just dismissed it as nothing. Usually I would scum read that but the 'panicked and pressured' part feels genuine and something I don't think scum would say.
I also don't think scum now joins the teacher wagon after it has died. But his read on BV doesn't make sense as BV has now switched wagons (which GEO expected scum!BV to do) but he town reads him for it.
So like, yeah, can someone help me with that post?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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That doesn't really answer my statement regarding your BV read. He still changed the read when pressure subsided.In post 285, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote: I expected an earlier correction. He spent too much time in that awkward position to be scum.
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Ah, but herein lies the problem. Scum and town can do ANYTHING - I don't think there is anything that is exclusively alignment indicative. Therefore, the actual job of town is to decide whether something is MORE/LESS likely to come from town/scum and go from there.In post 286, Gustavo wrote: The problem is I haven’t actually done any of that which means you scum read me because I called out bad play, something that you admitted town and scum can do. If town and scum can do something that makes it a null act or non alignment indicative.
Your play feels very robotic in this game. Not a fan at all.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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What's way too easy? Do you hold all players to a high standard when it comes to playing as scum?
I really dislike that - it's almost like 'too scummy to be scum'. Sometimes, games are just that easy and everything gets over thought clouding out the simple conclusions.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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If I look at it from your perspective, I can kind of see where you're coming from but I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion of Invis being less likely to be scum because of it.
Low effort townies are a thing and bussing is also a thing.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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To clarify this, I'm saying that basing a read (or majority of read in your case) on unflipped wagon composition seems like bad play to me.In post 363, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:If I look at it from your perspective, I can kind of see where you're coming from but I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion of Invis being less likely to be scum because of it.
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Where did this come from?In post 369, Invisibility wrote:gus vs lefty made we feel a little worse about lefty
And does anyone see in this post what I see in it (hint: timing)Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I like aggressive players.
What I meant by that comment is I feel like you're quite an emotional player - but your playstyle/posting this game isn't matching that at all (except maybe your push on performer which you have clearly taken exception to).
Even when I naked voted you and antagonized you, you kind of just side-stepped me. I don't think you would do that as town.
PEdit - Nope TChill - I don't think a Lefty wagon is even remotely possible at this point. That's your second hint.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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There was talk between Lefty/Gus about going against the grain/targeting easy players and how it makes you town/scum.In post 378, Tchill13 wrote:active lurking would be my second guess? refusal to participate in discussion but will comment when its over.
Then Invis comments and is like 'Oh yeah, Lefty looks bad from that Gus convo' when I don't think a single person (at least not active) is scum reading Lefty.
Was Invis making an attempt to go against the grain to look town?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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GEO - you don't think scum do what BV did? Kind of push someone but not push them enough so they are in the spotlight upon the flip?
For example, let's just say that the BV push had picked up steam but it was someone else who used BVs post as the catalyst to push me. They continue to push me and lynch me and thus the spotlight falls on the person who drove the wagon to lynch - not the person who planted the seed.
There is a proverb for this I'm sure but can't think of it to save my life.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Let's say BV had got the better of the BV vs BBT discussion -is he still the creepy guy on the wagon?
Or is he only the creepy guy on the wagon because I exposed his push as being what it was - awful.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Did he not double down on the push by continuing to push it over the next page or two?
You're arguing that he didn't continue the push and did continue the push at the same time. They can't both be true.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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