Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1488 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:31 am

I wish to salute Worst.

To the thread I wish to apologize that my slot hard claimed for obvious reasons and must say:

Neighbors can be Town or Mafia aligned.

However I can assure you that I am town.

I will be catching up after work. I will be using a special strat where I will read the first 10 pages and the last 10 pages and post what I think and then catch up to the middle 40 pages as time passes so that certainly by D2 I will be fully caught up.

I learned from my neighbor that Worst claimed Gunsmith and to that of course I say:

Gunsmiths are usually, but not necessarily, pro-Town

Therefore I will be analyzing Worst based on his play.

Talk to you guys once my first catchup phase is complete.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1491 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:48 pm

So you are saying there CANNOT be another neighborhood(s)? I just got done reading a 200 page game that had like half a dozen of them...

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1493 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:51 pm

LOL ya well if he didn't I certainly will.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1495 (isolation #3) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:55 pm

Well the only actual way one should obtain a TR is so freaking scumhunt and so ya that is exactly what I will be doing in several hours, good sir!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1499 (isolation #4) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:13 pm

Ya well scumhunting needs to be the central part of whatever whey we get townread otherwise we simply shouldn't be townread, you know? XD

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1500 (isolation #5) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:13 pm

Btw, just off work and like I am about to hit these bricks hard!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1504 (isolation #6) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:49 pm

I like myself in RVS.

I think I am losing it...

Pressing onwards holding onto whatever precious sanity I have left....

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1505 (isolation #7) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:50 pm

MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!

My neighbor has informed me that a certain player named FL caused my slot to rage quit. I am NOT pleased about this, NOT ONE BIT.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1507 (isolation #8) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:14 pm

Well I have completed the first 10 pages and I don't have a townread on said slot but I have a very strong town read on my slot.

Here is what I have so far:

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1508 (isolation #9) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:14 pm

Town -- People whom I choose to trust in this game as of Page 10
===
Naomi-Tan -- She is transparently town, clearly trying to solve this game. I don't like TL's OMGUS misrep of her play.
Light Ethos -- This is an honorary neighbor meta read that I agree with. LE is playing a substantial and natural looking game which we agree is town.
Shashaddin -- Good RVS flow, natural feel. I like the early reads posting. I would like to see more consistent contribution however.

Too Crazy To Be Scum -- People I won't lynch today as of Page 10
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Profii -- The weird posting + the honesty in voting
TheWorst -- His entry post took real guts to pull as scum
Creature -- And his behavior is so horrendously bad

Nullin -- These slots can go either way as of Page 10
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Krazy -- Just not enough in thread to define a read; I like his Worst vote (genuine town looking) even though I disagree with his conlcusion. I believe his claim about joking (genuine) and my slot should not have claimed. Period.

Crimson97 -- Not a bad start that appears to have town traj (manatee push) but not enough material to quite get that reading.

FrankJaeger -- Sort of a mixed bag that comes back as "undefined". I can't tell if I have a genuine tr or genuine fake town tj. I need to see more. Needs an eye kept on. Could be in the scum pile with FL.

Saudade -- Also a mixed bag. This guy is so low key and matter of fact he must be very hard to read as scum. The guy oozes confident town in demeanor but I question a couple of things like when my slot correctly pointed out that TL was townreading people in an irresponsible (read: scummy) manner, why did he defend TL when he doesn't know his alignment? Shouldn't TL horrifically default buddying him in thread make him paranoid of TL? They supposedly have history together?

Scumm -- People I wish to lynch as of page 10
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Townleaf -- HET HET HET his query of Sauda on who "we" should vote; scum buddying; scum arrogant with further defending and buddying of the Sauda slot. He posts an official tr for Sauda with almost ZERO interactions -- provides other "instant pop tart" tr's as well -- it is sooo forced and I do not accept his scumplanations of "I always read everyone as town until I feel differently" is completely anti-town and scummy. Terrible misrep of NT's case/motivations/play. This guy is arrogant scum.

UC Voyager -- Cog Dis: Saying he is new but that he has played offsite and playing here to avoid meta while asking negative utilities to claim. Subsequent behavior with Unvote because "RVS is over" is totally scum disingenuous where he is mailing his town performance in like an empty suit. This guy is definitely not genuine in what he says/does.

I am using this reads list as a "base of operations" where I now continue my catchup strat of reading the last 10 pages...

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1516 (isolation #10) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:53 am

Creature, my apologies. You understand how difficult it is to replace and have other slots that replace and then have to somehow categorize everything. Thank you for your reads. I of course meant that your slot's behavior as of page 10 was horrendously bad.

I also apologize for the player I call "TL", of course I mean FL (Flavor Leaf) with each of those mis-ref's. Speaking of FL, my neighbor informed me that he is being universally townread by everyone and I am quite frankly shocked because as of the first 10 pages, I don't think he has earned it. What I see is a scummy strong arm of the entire playerbase with bad aggressive and scummy play. I don't think play like that should be appeased and/or allowed to continue. I am worried we are giving scum a pass because he likes to counter-attack...

Ok, I just woke up and now hitting the bricks for the last 10 pages and lets see what I get...

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1517 (isolation #11) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:03 am

Oh hey gaiz, re: Worst's claim of Gunsmith, can you please link me to that so I can at least read it? TIA. xoxxoxox.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1522 (isolation #12) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:21 am

Hey NT! This is very interesting. I am on page 50 and I see you must of had quite a large push of LE and apprently FL also has suspected Krazy, SO, let's do this....

(got your tea and crumpets?)

Krazy informed me in the Q/T that LE has a very obvious scum game where he is quite uncomfortable and posts very little but when he plays as town he is much more vocal and appears more comfortbale in his element. Krazy gave me some meta links and I was wondering if based on this new information, you might be willing to reconsider your read on LE and we can work together somewhere else?

PEDIT: Thanks LE!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1525 (isolation #13) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:54 am

In post 1523, Creature wrote:Yeh, FL towns up later.

ORLY? Why is he pushing a scumlist based on the Manatee wagon? How on this earth can you fault the entire wagon for voting something that is so obvbscum/anti-town?

Am I missing something about that wagon because how does it even make sense unless you con individually show scum motivations for each of the players there??

I mean it just sounds like he is being lazy to me?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1529 (isolation #14) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:42 am

Well I'm about 15 of 20 pages for my first chunk of catchup. I guess I missed your Krazy case. I don't think he is wrong that you are crazy posting though.

PEDIT: Well eventually I will review the actual case against him to analyze if his defense is from scum but it would seem to me there are better lynch choices this day. At this point we (You/I) barely agree on any read...

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1532 (isolation #15) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:08 am

So far all I have is that LE stated that Worst is 100% responsible for claiming. What is important is that I know how to find it and will review it after 5 more pages or most recent catchup. I am wondering what exactly Worst means by "Muppet"; is this a perjorative or an avi/name reference? And who does it reference?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1534 (isolation #16) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:46 am

Just saw a VC:

Vote: Unvote

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1535 (isolation #17) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:18 am

I have an idea! Look I am offering this because I think it has the potential to be VERY useful to town in two ways:

1) It CAN confirm Worst's role as town aligned
2) It CAN confrm Wortst's role as scum aligned
3) It CAN allow us to find scum by direct identification
4) It CAN allow us to find scum by PoE (scum read trapping)

So, what do you guys think about GUIDING THE GUNSMITH? Every night we tell him who to investigate and we do this by a vote. So we run a second votecount on who everybody wants to night investigate and when we have L-1 with intent to hammer, we firm up that list to 100% certainty on the target and lynch.

Eventually we can determine if we have scum Worst by his results, no?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1536 (isolation #18) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:21 am

MMMKay. Hadn't thought this one through enough. This is why Worst fakeclaimed this role as scum:

Gunsmiths are usually, but not necessarily, pro-Town. They are considered somewhat weaker than standard Cops and are usually included in setups where

they can get positive results on players who are not Mafia-aligned.

Ok back to analyzing the claim...

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1537 (isolation #19) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:10 am

In post 723, the worst wrote:happy to provide links. I have very very obviously been crumbing tpr since I replaced in which is like 70% of the reason I'm not convinced anyone on this wagon is competent

I just ISO'ed you and the actual only "crumbs" I found came only when you were already under pressure and they aren't actual crumbs they are soft ATE's to try to get people to second guess their reads. Crumbs are defined as leaving clues as to your role long before you come under suspicion.

I also don't like your underhanded way of accusing my slot falsely:

In post 729, Doughboy wrote:
In post 726, the worst wrote:anyway since this Muppet outed it

I'm literally a town gunsmith. I nearly cried when I saw this role.
Who outed what?

In post 730, the worst wrote:you outed me as a tpr.

In post 732, Doughboy wrote:When’s player guarantees they aren’t getting lynched, they outed yourself.

And I didn’t put you as a town Pr. I outed you as scum getting ready to fake a Pr.

Realy pr doesn’t make that kind of post. Sorry

Unless you can prove convincingly that the player in question is completely disingenuous and therefore only acting to rolefish as scum, you simply can't make this claim because town voted your wagon. Softclaiming to get people off your wagon is simply scummy and then accusing them for it just confirms how scummy it is.

So I don't think I like this claim.

I need to read Sauda as requested by LE and I need to investigate this entire wagon to see if I like it. If we agree that this is a fake claim, it is proper for town to lynch it; it is not a proveable role because the "proof" is always one night away and/or simply a false-positive anyway. Its almost as if its anti-town to even claim it.

As far as the WIFOM about oh but he ALREADY claimed this in another game -- Occam's Razor/Survival of the Laziest -- manditoe mention it and swim in the wine.

@all: Is there any way if we leave this slot alive we can positively use his role at all to benefit town?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1539 (isolation #20) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:24 am

Well I read up on Sauda and he quoted standard theory "We don't lynch claimed PR's D1..." but of course there is the exception being "...unless we believe it is a fakeclaim".

So I need the following to properly put this situation to rest for the day:

1) Neither myself nor FL could find any crumbs -- quote the crumbs duck?
2) I disagree with FL that the claim was done in a townie way and duck is obvtown here
3) Can anyone reader's digest me how his wagon got started for me?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1542 (isolation #21) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:33 am

I don't want to let him off the hook on the claims because AFAICT there are no actual crumbs?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1543 (isolation #22) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:38 am

In post 1464, Nauci wrote:
Vote Count 1.8

Creature
ManateeDude
(2) -
Krazy #679
,
Doughboy #736

Naomi-Tan (1) -
The Worst
RockyHorror
#1448

Krazy (1) -
Flavor Leaf #757

Light Ethos (1) -
profii #1032

Crimson97 (1) -
Naomi-Tan #1134

Sashaddin (1) -
Saudade #1236

Saudade (1) -
FrankJaeger #239

UNVOTE/Not Voting (5) -
UC Voyager
Pernicious Parrot
#138
,
Crimson97 #774
,
Sashaddin #971
,
Creature
ManateeDude
#1170
,
Light Ethos #1233

Full vote record in the OP.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-09-20 20:00:00)

Mod NotesSeeking replacements for both slots; deadline is extended by 72 hours as a result of the number of replacements, and will pause with 48 hours remaining if replacements are not found by then.
FrankJaeger is V/LA for (expired on 2018-09-13 12:00:00).
UC Voyager was prodded.
UC Voyager has not picked up his prod. Now seeking replacement.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1544 (isolation #23) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:56 am

@Mod: What is the status of FJ please because his VLA has expired? Am I correct that we are now seeking 2 replacements?

UNVOTE/Not Voting (5) - UC Voyager, Crimson97, Sashaddin, Creature, Light Ethos

Vote: Flavor Leaf

@Creature: You said you have scum reads, why aren't you voting them?

@Sahsadin: Can you please post your scum reads with reasoning?

@Light: I really like your recent posting but it has been 3 days since you voted, where should we be focusing here?

In post 774, Crimson97 wrote:UNVOTE: Manatee For now.
I'll wait fro the next VC before voting again.

I agree with Saudade's sentiment that the worst was just "cruising" at first but he seems to be getting better now with reads and he claimed gunsmith so no way i'm voting a pr claim D1.

In post 1489, Crimson97 wrote:Hey i'm still here. Kinda busy with some stuff now but i'll post later.

Sir, you have been unvoting for a week? Is your game genuine in this thread?

What exactly happend to this thread where so many people are not voting/casing and like coasting?

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:25 am

I don't see how that is possible without outing additional PR's?

"semi-clear" isn't clear?

I think the ability for the role to be actually proven is so remote and convoluted that it is impractical to consider it. What am I missing from your point?

A naked vote for Krazy? How is that helpful or genuine exactly?

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:39 am

In post 1299, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1290, Light Ethos wrote:
In post 1249, Flavor Leaf wrote: Krazy/Sasha it is, then.

Krazy should definitely be the one, though.
If you want to push Krazy, we'll need your case for it. You had reasons for it before Krazy posted his read list, but you haven't gotten around to posting the case.
I actually don’t really like this.

It’s not in one post, sure, but I’ve definitely cased Krazy enough and made enough points on him that it would be redundant at this point. You’re just choosing not to look at it that way here because it’s not a “case” it’s just post. But my Third Degree Boon (my name’s tactic that i word play from my main account) where I go deep interaction is my best way at showing said person is scum.

We don't like this scum coasting. More light on this...

In post 1234, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m the only one not misguided, Crimson.

That’s a discredit by Crimson protecting Krazy subtly.

Scum points for Crimson.

In post 1200, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1189, Light Ethos wrote:@Crimson:
1. What's your take on the ongoing disagreement between Naomi and me?
2. Do you lean town on Flavor Leaf after his push on Krazy?

In post 1190, Light Ethos wrote:@Flavor Leaf: When is that case on Krazy coming?
This is also scummy points for LE.

Looks like he’s trying to change the subject of he game now that there’s pressure on them.

I thought you denied this was happening? Am I misunderstanding that you are making scum associations pre-flip?

Why did you deny it, and said it was a misrep?

In other news:

@NT: Can you please explain why making pre-flip scum associations is an OK thing to do; I mean there is nothing wrong with it, right?

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:40 am

In post 1549, Saudade wrote:he's not being let off the hook, we keep him for tomorrow and see what happens then.

He needs to address the crumbs issue because AFAIAC he lied about crumbing.

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:47 am

@LE: Did NT respond to your query about her "connected case" with you and Crimson?

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:47 am

In post 947, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 944, profii wrote:rn i think you're town FL but i am watching you so closely because if you dupe me ill be so mad.
Sure, but like, you know me pretty well, I feel. I don’t take pointless risks as scum.

There’s zero reason to defend Manatee this hard if I was scum (guess that could be why I do it, but I digress. That’s doing the most.)

ScumMe defending ScumManatee this way is terrible because it connects us far too much if he ends up getting lynched.

ScumMe defending TownManatee this much is crap as well, because it requires me to FAIL in defending him and get the Manatee flip for the town cred.

Thoughts on Sasha?

You understand this is logic-fail right? I mean what, you simply NK him??

Ok, I just read your entire ISO up to around Page 10 to finally dig up your Krazy case. It is simply the fact you say there must be two scum on the Manatee wagon and certain of your reads there (like Duck) simply can't be scum and thus it pretty much comes down to just Krazy and Sasha.

First off, I just need to break for the following announcement:

NEWSFLASH! WE DO NOT HAVE A MANATEE FLIP YET!!

So your case is based on information that we simply do not know with any certainty. In fact, it is simply just air, just like your entire game has been. You simply are coasting powered by crap-logic like you know organic fuel sources?

Why are people t/r-ing you, because they are afraid of you?

Seriously, if you're town, do you have any other reason to suspect Krazy other than he appeared on a wagon of a scummy looking person whom you decided is 100% town?

What EXACTLY is the scummy about Krazy's vote that he MUST be scum? I mean convince us??

This isn't about Krazy, its about you and your crazy play this game where you strong armed the town & simply coasted, crapcasing two players.

FAQ

1) Is Krazy scum and you are simply chainsawing here?

I don't know if Krazy is scum but so far FL isn't playing as town.

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:55 am

In post 1553, profii wrote:I agree with your point that what I called a crumb was more what you described it as rather than a “real crumb”

For example TW knows a game where I was a weak fruit vendor with mod declared no cops I stated “Imma cop you >=[“ at someone I know was scum so that they would get lynched - that’s a crumb... more of a bread slice tbh

But I don’t like that the suggestion of “I’m a power role” and the claim came in at L-3 or something ridic

So he was only at like L-3, I read that in my FL ISO, I can't even believe it. That is even more of a scummy claim. He seriously needs lynching. Who as a town P/R doesn't cherish that PR claim as long as possible to avoid revealing it to the scum? Seriously!

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:23 pm

In post 1565, Flavor Leaf wrote:Eh, I don’t need a flip to read people. I can just play town.

I’m not going to talk with Rogers anymore.

Not good with people who have a wall in between them and playing mafia.

Ok kewl. So if you don't need a flip for your case, what case DO you have?? I mean there is like no explanation in this thread. What have you done all game long except scum coast?

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:27 pm

@NT: What is up with Crimson? Did you just see him run through here replying to posts in ancient history? I guess the guy is trying to catch up so I should cut him some slack, well OK. What is your case on him then since you are leaving LE alone?

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:34 pm

In post 1576, Saudade wrote:Rogers if you keep making cases based on up to page 10 I wont take you seriously and will ignore everything you say

Thank you for asking. Nossir. My initial reads on the game started up to Page 10. Then I noticed that FL was running a case based on an unflipped wagon whose slot was obv-scummy (that was my last 10 pages part of the catchup). Then I freaking looked around and saw that this town is recked with apathy. So I voted my scum read and ISO'ed him and actually was amazed that I found for all intents and purposes, NO SUBSTANCE with his case and seeing how his case on NT was scumtastic, this means his slot is scum skating scummy.

Now, have I read every post in this game yet? Nossir I have not. Maybe we can work together to gain some clarity in the darker corners of this game (hint: people not voting nor explaining their reads/votes)?

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:39 pm

@sauda: Ok kewl. Explain to me what I have missed sir.

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:42 pm

@Sausad: And have you read my catchup plan where I slowly catch up to those pages as the game progresses. Please now that you have pointed this out, please to the easy thing and simply tell me what I have missed about Krazy being justified by scum in the light of how FL has played.

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:43 pm

Ok sir, I am gonna be laxed and everything here and like you know I am specifically asking you as someone in this thread to help me out here since you made a statement, I mean I am asking for help but if that doesn't float your boat then I am simply asking you to back up your own words, if you please.

PEDIT: Ok this is a start. Do you remember where FL mentions this?

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:45 pm

Ok kewl. I can see this as a case separate from TL and this is the kind of thing I like, discussing reads. Ok so you are accusing Krazy of scum coasting too. Ok, I will ISO him and we can talk more, OK?

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:47 pm

Yessir as are you, at least I am hoping so.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1601 (isolation #38) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:13 pm

@Sauda: Hey I am back! I just went through this guy's ISO how in HECK can you say this guy was skating!? Have you READ his analysis posts, I mean dear goodness this guy has Mafia OCD and you know what else, I mean I am being honest here I disagree with his reads mostly, but if I was scum, I would phear this guy. So an unjustfied attack seems quite warranted. I seriously can't see how you could say he was skating here.

Ok, ok, laxing, breathing. I obviously have missed something. Can you please explain to me what you mean by Krazy skating because sir,

I am not seeing it

.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1602 (isolation #39) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:16 pm

In post 1599, Flavor Leaf wrote:I wouldn’t say Krazy is coasting.

Ok. Listening sir. Nice post btw.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1608 (isolation #40) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:31 pm

Why do you think Sauda says that Krazy is scum skating? I mean you can clearly see that's not the case just like I can, right?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1609 (isolation #41) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:32 pm

OK Sauda so what do you mean by "so be it" -- specifically what does that mean?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1613 (isolation #42) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:35 pm

I am not arguing. Do you have meta or history with Krazy?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1615 (isolation #43) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:37 pm

GN. Ya I should look more into Crimson before you get back.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1616 (isolation #44) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:08 pm

In post 1301, Saudade wrote:We've a week left
so far unless something amazing happens Krazy/Sash are todays lynch

In post 1607, Saudade wrote:Well if you two are not seeing it then so be it

Wow quite the cog-dis between these posts. The first post we have Krazy screaming scum! But when we get to the second post, all of a sudden its like "Welp, alright I guess other people might not see it" and at least "Hey its not worth arguing about".

So because of this I have moved Sausad from my Null pile to my Scum pile. Simply, the man doesn't believe in his own cases because he himself cannot properly define them when called on to do so and lacks the conviction of a true townie who is hunting scum and cares about actually catching them.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1617 (isolation #45) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:10 pm

This is not about Krazy, this is about people who are being universally town read not having genuine cases and therefore actually fitting a scum profile instead of a town one. This town is recked with apathy but I guess this is because of two replacements as well?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1619 (isolation #46) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:14 pm

I can understand your feelings there. I am still open to discussion if you have changed your mind sir.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1620 (isolation #47) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:15 pm

But I was in the middle of my catchup you know, but I am willing to discuss.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1622 (isolation #48) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:17 pm

So you're back to this again? Why do I know more about your top scum tier than you do yourself? Especially if I haven't supposedly read the thread right?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1626 (isolation #49) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:48 pm

Sahsa and I know why too even though you are pretty certain I don't.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1628 (isolation #50) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:50 pm

LOL. I mean low hanging fruit that is coming forth with reads and such? Why is that optimal? It is a great way to avoid conflict tho?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1631 (isolation #51) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:53 pm

And like FL should be all indignant about your push because it amounts to a policy lynch really and well that shouldn't be tolerated, right? I mean in most cases I of course agree that its sub-optimal...

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1632 (isolation #52) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:55 pm

OH HECK NO! At 10 pages he was super scummy. I wanted to jump in here and wagon him with NT and some others that I know would have joined. But now I have read over 27 pages and so you will have to be giving me more and more credit.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1634 (isolation #53) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:06 pm

Crimson for active lurking?

Ya I know your not policy but when it gets to it, the reasons boil down that they are new? Unless you have picked up on some kind of subtle proof that they rec'd a red role pm?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1640 (isolation #54) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:15 pm

LOL you guys. I am rock solid on this. This is a newbie slot. THEY ARE LOW HANGING FRUIT. SCUMBAIT. If you try and tell me that a new person is reaction posting and not moving the game forward, I am goiong to analyze that and you know what the reason is going to be?

(shocking but wait for it)

THEY ARE NEW!

Voila scum dinner is served.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1641 (isolation #55) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:16 pm

And you know I WAS being facetious too here? I mean ever hear of Level 2?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1642 (isolation #56) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:17 pm

I mean you know basic sarcasm and irony and such...

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1643 (isolation #57) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:19 pm

Now quit pestering me and let me get back to my catchup, I am like 30 pages now!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1654 (isolation #58) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:31 pm

At a certain point FL was pushing Sasha but ya he dropped him I saw that too of course in the ISO. But about Duck you dewds WILL give me credit for freaking caught scum! Serious. Like horribad claiming proces there.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1657 (isolation #59) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:32 pm

What like Sauda will freaking never stop macro-pasting that post in my face if I don't finish this hot steaming pile of information packed mafia content. XD

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1660 (isolation #60) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:41 pm

In post 486, Saudade wrote:Personally I think the duck should take the rope today for he had many chances to contribute and chose not to, there is nothing to indicate he's a townplayer playing a town game

Ok, duly noted. Well gr8 work.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1662 (isolation #61) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:54 pm

I feel you guys there and well I think its a positive thing. I am reading through post by post now. I will even verify the VC...

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1663 (isolation #62) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:55 pm

You had Horror as town leaning iirc.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1672 (isolation #63) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:56 pm

Seriously WTHeck!? We have barely one day left and we have 4 non-voters and no wagons!? We should already have 2 wagons and like everyone voting except the prods!

Seriously this is FAIL-TOWN!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1673 (isolation #64) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:57 pm

I am serious everybody should be posting and voting their top two scum suspects and we need to identify two main wagons for the day and everybody votes!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1674 (isolation #65) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:58 pm

Seriously NL is WIN WIN WIN for scum!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1675 (isolation #66) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:02 pm

I am willing to lynch Crimson without question if he doesn't cooperate. I wil lynch Sasha immediately if he doesn't cooperate. LE will cooperate but needs to do so like in his next post(s).

You people listed above MUST post your top two scum suspects and vote them in your next posts or you will be wagoned today by all the active cooperating players!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1676 (isolation #67) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:02 pm

I am willing to lynch Crimson without question if he doesn't cooperate. I wil lynch Sasha immediately if he doesn't cooperate. LE will cooperate but needs to do so like in his next post(s).

You people listed above MUST post your top two scum suspects and vote them in your next posts or you will be wagoned today by all the active cooperating players!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1677 (isolation #68) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:11 pm

We should all post our top 2 scum reads and we AS A TOWN need to identify the top two lynches for today!

I am willing lynch from the pool of:

The Worst, Creature, Crimson, Frank J, Sauda, TL, UCV

Above list being in no particular order.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1679 (isolation #69) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:18 pm

OH CRAP! Sorry just woke up.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1680 (isolation #70) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:19 pm

Well that's a coming attraction of where we need to be in the next couple of days...

I misread the VC (blush)

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1682 (isolation #71) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:23 pm

Yessir!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1683 (isolation #72) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:24 pm

So like scum suspects votes cases lets get our best lynches out there!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1684 (isolation #73) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:24 pm

So where you are Profii?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1687 (isolation #74) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:35 pm

I was thinking the same thing about chainsawing!

Now, let me prioritize your list from my perspective:

The Worst,Crimson97,FrankJaeger,UC Voyager, Sashaddin,Krazy

So the above list of PROFII"S is prioritized according to my wishes where the one I want lynched the most is first to the one I want lynched least.

Look lets get the horsecrap out of the way shall we? There is NO existing case on Krazy of any substance. Its all been proven to be fluff so far. Now if people have individual reads that have been drowned out all the noise OK wllling to hear those...

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1691 (isolation #75) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:59 pm

In my mind Crimson and Frank are like interchangeable but I like where NT has a case on Crimson but I think that Frank has more scum points for his bad posts but is more of a lurker...

So its like hard to choose which goes first... >.<

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:02 pm

Ya but I guess Frank being a lurker gives priority to Crimson... :/

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:42 pm

Dang I was just reading LE in my catchup:

ANALYSIS SPOCK!

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:46 pm

In post 1695, Sashaddin wrote:
In post 1676, Mister Rogers wrote:I am willing to lynch Crimson without question if he doesn't cooperate. I wil lynch Sasha immediately if he doesn't cooperate. LE will cooperate but needs to do so like in his next post(s).
What's your case against me to be prompt?

Ok, I have no case against you. You however are not voting and I thought that we were extremely close to deadline. So please vote with reasoning (make your best case) to help us all out.

The reason we all need to be on record with our votes is because when people start flipping and we know alignments, we can trace the path of scum much more easily.

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:50 pm

In post 1696, profii wrote: Oh and if we are not doing TW - he is doing one of the lurkers - I know he knows how to be pro town in his night actions so if he goes away what we want him to do he gets rope

I think we need to lynch him today too. However, if that isn't the case then ya I think he MUST peek from our lynch pool despite the WIFOM that will always surround his results and create risk for town.

PEDIT: You are doing great Sasha! Keep rocking it!

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:53 pm

Dewd is fakeclaiming he deserves no credit. I need to wash my hands and disinfect my kb just typing about him living past today.

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:03 pm

Seriously, I think every normal person in this game wants to lynch Duck for that bad claiming.

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:06 pm

To be clear the actual Mafia theory is:

Do not lynch claimed town PR's on D1

UNLESS

you disbelieve the claim.

So maybe everyone should post in thread "believe" or "disbelieve"?

Mister Rogers · Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:15 pm

The truth is he is a waste of space in this game, a waste of town resources. Letting him lives slows the town down. Scum get a better game.

Don't get me wrong, if he had claimed properly without all the AtE and scum defending and did so as a townie at L-1 with intention to hammer and had ACTUALLY crumbed prior to any pressure instead of lying about it, ya I would be hands off. The point is HE'S FAKECLAIMING which means the optimal path is to lynch him.

PEDIT: If he is town I want him to live but if he is fakeclaiming he won't be NK'ed by scum -- i.e. he can't be a fakeclaiming scum NK lightning rod.

Mister Rogers · Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:00 am

I just verified the VC he was at L-3 when he fakeclaimed.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1719 (isolation #85) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:15 am

LOL. Dewd if you want to disagree with Mafia Theory and push a scum case against established theory be my guest. Its simple, if you believe he is fakeclaiming you vote to lynch if you don't you lynch elsewhere but don't try and tell us that theory is blind "don't lynch PR's D1 no matter what" because thats BS and you pushing that is scummy simply because its BS.

Also don't try and say that scum don't get an advantage if Worst is scum and we let him live. I won't go into that any further but its not even an argument.

LOL. Your scummy powerlynch idea is like so much BS too because you would only push it as scum so just stop wasting thread space.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1726 (isolation #86) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:14 am

There is such a thing as Mafia Vig but that doesn't appear in Normal games.

I am NOT confirmed. My slot may be townread by most everyone but there is a HUGE difference. Keep in mind that Neighbor DOES NOT confirm alignment.

I am certainly eligible for any lynch poo today but I will not be lynching myself.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1727 (isolation #87) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:15 am

* and lynch pool too!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1728 (isolation #88) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:19 am

Mister Rogers · Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:11 am

See I don't believe in "giving up the ghost" if strong/aggressive players are scum -- I believe in LYNCHING THEM!

Mister Rogers · Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:06 am

One thing Sasha about your game is to get better at identifying scum. One thing that others have recomended is to find a nice complete game in one of the game lists and read that game as if you are playing it and try to identify the scum, taking notes just like you are playing and then check to see how you do. Even if you TOTALLY miss, you will start to recognize scum behaviors and will simply get better!

Mister Rogers · Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:07 am

Escpecially find players that you like that are well known powerful scum hunters and find their games!

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1766 (isolation #92) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:47 pm

Vote: Crimson97

Sorry but you are voting my strongest townie read.

@Sahsa: Dewd! You are getting sew much better. It sounds like you are developing a system that may be able to help you in the future. However, a word of warning. Interactions of players that HAVE NOT YET FLIPPED, are a big bowl of WIFOM and will easily lead us astray from the truth and we will not realize it. IMO, its better to read each slot individually and just make a mental note of these "connections" with other players for possible reference in the future.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1768 (isolation #93) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:10 pm

Hey Flavor Leaf, I just hit Page 33 in my catchup. Who are you voting again?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1775 (isolation #94) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:42 pm

So Crimson just townlocked the Manatee slot?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1776 (isolation #95) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:47 pm

I mean he started out saying "if he was town" but after you put him under pressure it was he was like "lock town"?

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1781 (isolation #96) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:36 pm

Red half this thred

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1783 (isolation #97) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:41 pm

If you are worried about coaching, maybe the timestamps will help?

Believe it or not, Sasha is giving us loads of more content than Crimson.

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1784 (isolation #98) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:44 pm

I mean who is townier looking? Not Crimson? :shrug:

Mister Rogers · Post Post #1791 (isolation #99) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:11 am

I het #1788! (which rhymes)

and in honor of this, and of post #974:

Vote: Krazy

Personally, I think there is a strong chance that Creature is scum.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:16 am

I don't think Krazy actually rolesfished my slot but was actually trying to buddy me. However, I did find a rolefish attempt in his ISO, RE: Creature. Can anyone find it?

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:27 am

I also think Sasha is a bad lynch for today, despite his obvious BW-ing in 1790 and find it interesting that he was the one that discovered the Krazy-Creature connection.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:43 am

It would be so funny if the scum team was Krazy,Creature,Gamma -- I"m not saying it is, I'm just saying it would be so funny.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:49 am

I want to make it clear that there is a case for Creature being both scum and town but there is definitely a case for both.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:01 am

In post 1601, Mister Rogers wrote:@Sauda: Hey I am back! I just went through this guy's ISO how in HECK can you say this guy was skating!? Have you READ his analysis posts, I mean dear goodness this guy has Mafia OCD[snip]

Yes, and this is exactly why he is scum. I am not the one that discovered it however.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:38 am

In post 776, Krazy wrote:

Townread

Flavor Leaf

Look at that face and tell me he's not town.

Real talk: 97 103 111 and 122 in conjunction with each other indicate town!Flavor, even though I think he is wrong about 122

In post 777, Flavor Leaf wrote:Those political as hell reads, though

I’m beginning to feel I might be wrong based on the fact that that reads list just screams scum to me.

In post 778, Flavor Leaf wrote:He’s pandering to me with Pikachu! Bold move. I tip my hat to you...

In post 781, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think it was out of the possibility you had picked up that I was leaning towards you, or at least suspicious prior than that.

In fact, I had expected you to pick up on it if you were scum. I gave you that paranoia pressure.

In post 793, Flavor Leaf wrote:That is a political read. A ploy to try to move me off of you in case of a tunnel.

When I finally reached Krazy's analysis post in my catchup and I then read his analysis of Flavor Leaf, I immediately saw that he was buddying FL because I noticed a large swath of FL's early interactions missing from the analysis. I then queried Krazy about this in the Q/T (because it is obvious buddying) and he responded that

it was a genuine read at the time

but that it had changed since (obviously to appease me who had FL at the top of his scum list at that point).

There is no way that could be a genuine read from Krazy. I would have expected him to answer like "Ya, I knew he was going to wagon me and so I really was trying to stave that off" and just admitting that it was buddying because you see, we had struck up a friendship in the Q/T and we were sharing reads and such (I didn't share all my reads or information, I assure you). Instead he denies it to me, saying it was a genuine read.

This is the kind of scum case that is so strong, its not inuendo -- it is a clear scum action by someone has a higher skillset than what was displayed and that is now confirmed by a lie.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:51 am

In post 792, Flavor Leaf wrote:I already retracted my Naomi scum read.

And I have issues with the Manatee read, Frank read, and the Flavor read.

I should not be at the top for you, especially considering I’m defending Manatee and Frank.

With this very strong point to back my analysis of buddying up.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:17 am

In post 1583, Saudade wrote:To be honest i never scumhunt by ISO i believe its bad practice

QFT. I miseed to two key points when I ISO'ed both Krazy and FL. Only by reading the thread post by post did I finally get the true import of the posts.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:42 am

Krazy is VERY focused on Creature/Manatee.

The reason I spilled the beans now is because there is a large push towards Creature and I want to discuss how Creature can very well be scum here?

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:49 am

In post 1807, Light Ethos wrote:I can see where you both are coming from on Krazy. Flavor Leaf is convinced that Krazy is using Manatee's slot as an easy scapegoat. However, that's not where you are Mister Rogers.

@Mister Rogers:
I don't think Manatee's gameplay was defensible. I can think of a motive red!Krazy would have for doing this to Creature, but I'd like to know what your thought is.

I think its possible Manatee was dead weight on the scum team and the very best way of dealing with it was to bus for the ultimate town cred.

@Krazy: Its not a wallpost but simply mentioning the interactions with NT like everyone else did that analyzed that event. I think it was missing becasuse it was your initention to cast TL in a positive light deliberately -- that is what caught my eye. Then when I looked deeper, I found that your read also didn't make sense regarding TL's overall slot positions (as he pointed out).

I am at work sorry, can't go into more detail at the moment.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:31 am

Wow. What a list from Creature. Omgosh. I really need think about this but I am at work.

@Krazy: Ok, let me look at that before I comment.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:34 am

I would normally update the VC and post it so we can all see but again at work... >.<

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:38 am

Obviously Creature has taken the 3 most current wagons and made them his suspects. Was this just a coincidence or is there evidence of these reads from his list post. I can't go look up because I am at work.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:01 am

I would vote Creature/Crimson before I would Vote Sash...

The same way that FL would fight the Creature/Manatee lynch is the same way that I would fight the Sash lynch -- definitely for different reasons I think though :shrug:

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:03 am

Dang can someone do a current VC for Creature and Crimson?

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:05 am

I will be thinking heavily about all this when I get off work tonight...

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:11 am

Ya Creature can't self-vote >.<

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:12 am

Based on wagon composition so far, Crimson looks better (discount creature).

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:23 pm

In post 1852, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1792, Mister Rogers wrote:I don't think Krazy actually rolesfished my slot but was actually trying to buddy me. However, I did find a rolefish attempt in his ISO, RE: Creature. Can anyone find it?
This post. He thinks Krazy/Creature are teamed but also thinks Krazy rolefished Creature, which makes no sense, as Krazy would know Creature’s role.

Right. I agree. But I couldn't help but notice how he called for a claim when there was no intent to hammer, so :Welp!:

I mean for what its worth I agree that I am conflicted on Creature/Manatee's alignment and Krazy's role there.

I need to think all this through. I will be here heavily tonight.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:52 pm

In post 1857, Krazy wrote:
In post 1852, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1792, Mister Rogers wrote:I don't think Krazy actually rolesfished my slot but was actually trying to buddy me. However, I did find a rolefish attempt in his ISO, RE: Creature. Can anyone find it?
This post. He thinks Krazy/Creature are teamed but also thinks Krazy rolefished Creature, which makes no sense, as Krazy would know Creature’s role.
He thinks explicitly demanding a roleclaim from someone at L-1 is a "rolefish"

Ya I do. You can't vote twice and so its not your place to ask for a claim. Somebody asks me to claim at L-1 who is on my wagon, I will tell them to go pound sand.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:09 pm

Blech kinda tired after work here but lets get a VC up:

Crimson97 (4) - Naomi-Tan, profii, Light Ethos, Creature,

Creature ManateeDude (3) - Krazy, Gamma, Sashaddin

Naomi-Tan (2) - The Worst,Crimson97

Krazy (2) - Flavor Leaf,Mister Rogers,

Saudade (1) - FrankJaeger

Sashaddin (1) - Saudade

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:35 pm

@Creature: Why is Crazy so worth calling out as scum, since he is non-consensus?

@Sahsa: What are your thoughts on Crimson97?

@Gamma: Anything else on Creature besides consensus reads tell?

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:07 pm

@Krazy: I went and looked at the Naomi portion again and I found nothing about interactions between them.

In studying further, I think it is clear that Krazy was thinking specifically about FL when he made his list and presented it as we can see from the comment: "I guess this will be seen as a pocket". I see this as a kind of cog-dis way to place one's reads. I believe his further actions where he went on an extended 1v1 with FL also shows this intent is true.

But when I asked Krazy about why he buddied FL, he said it was a genuine read -- he didn't agree that it was town-buddying.

I think Krazy is hiding a true scum intent and feels scum guilt over the buddying attempt.

PEDIT: FL, you had to see there were more posts because of the warning system

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:13 pm

It is when someone takes an action as scum that is obviously scum motivated -- they feel "scum guilt" because it reveals their scum intention and thus if they suffer from scum guilt, they will attempt to distance from association with that action.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:23 pm

and its an answer I that I support and believe in -- so please take it to heart.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:30 pm

I think triple wagons would be teh r0x0r! I didn't think it would be possible tho!

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:45 pm

Everyone else in this town seemed to mention it. Shall I quote the multiple players? Everyone saw it as a key interaction point.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:53 pm

Why did you want to buddy FL?

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:56 pm

I would have to be blind not to agree with FL here.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:57 pm

In post 1887, Krazy wrote:...

Calling someone TOWN is not the same as BUDDYING THEM. Is every townread a fucking buddy attempt? Like what is this shit?

Well, its like you made the list for him while thinking about him and then followed him in thread for an extended 1v1, so it sure looks like buddying to me which is the only reason I asked.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:58 pm

In post 1889, Krazy wrote:Are you buddying Naomi by calling her town? Where's your wallpost explanation of that? Where's your blow-by-blow analysis of the thing that happened 1700 posts ago?

I actually saw their interactions as S v T. I would think that you might have perceived their interactions as messy, especially since FL ended up unvoting and retracting.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:05 pm

@Sasha: Despite his attractive sense of confidence, I too have reasons not to trust Sauda.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:12 pm

@Krazy: Well I do like this last response sir.

Vote: Unvote

My case around Town!Naomi will revolve around sincere scum hunting, town seeking knowledge, genuine frustration over the difficulty in getting reads and basically overlooking the bad case where she pre-flips a link between Light-Crimson; I also like her drescription of how she dropped that read. Easily put quoted meat on those bones.

I will decide betwen Crimson-Creature but I can most certainly tell you that I am leaning Crimson very very heavily because of wagon composition.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:18 pm

Pfffft....

Vote: Crimson97

That's L-1.

Mister Rogers · Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:25 pm

The meta read supposedly says that he doesn't get mad as scum but I simply think he was mad because he didn't want to die D1. :shrug:

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:13 am

Nobody should.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:21 am

Well All of my town reads (with the exception of Creature) are voting Crimson and all my questionable reads are voting Creature. Furthermore, I don't think that TL"s point about Creature voting Krazy is actually so bad.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:43 am

Rock out with Joan Jett!

Crimson and Clover over and over....

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:49 am

Who wants to be on a geriatric train when you can be at a rock concert!?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:29 am

Those kind of reads are highly subjective and should be used to shore up reads obtained by other means.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:40 am

Whew. I have finally read this whole thread. I seriously dislike the fact that Gamma doesn't wish to do the same. Scum-coast points for Gamma.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:52 pm

In post 1931, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1928, Mister Rogers wrote:Whew. I have finally read this whole thread. I seriously dislike the fact that Gamma doesn't wish to do the same. Scum-coast points for Gamma.
I rarely read threads unless they aren’t super long or I feel driven to do it. Neither is the case here. Don’t apply your playstyle to me. Just because I’m not reading a bloated thread doesn’t fucking mean I’m coasting.

The your meta needs to change.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:01 pm

Next thing you know, you're going to be telling us that we should be thankful to have you?

In post 361, Quick wrote:
In post 356, nancy wrote:Quick, read game pls thx
Don't really want to. I usually don't even replace into games with 200+ posts, so you're lucky to have me as it is.

Quickscum of course.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:04 pm

Well you know both you and FL are fond of throwing out these "words of wisdom" just because you feel like it. I am NOT going to get into the stupid NAI argument with anyone this game because it is freaking stupid as all burning heck. You believe what you want but its scum lazy to not help town by reading the thread, period.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:13 pm

In post 1172, Creature wrote:
In post 1170, Nauci wrote:
Creature replaces ManateeDude. Please welcome him!
Oh how unfortunate...

Creature, could you please explain the meaning of your post here? What is unfortunate?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:28 pm

Regardless you should be doing SOMETHING. Did you see how I caught up? It works and I learned tonnes of useful stuff that you don't know about this game. I might be all myself on this entire site and you might be like "nya nya" about it but its not going to stop me from saying what is true.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:29 pm

Go ahead and bring your scum case then because you not reading is anti-town and scummy as flipping heck and ya that will be in my scum case against you too.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:30 pm

Your slot had a horribad entry to this game and you don't even bother to read or address it.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:31 pm

Try replacing as town. Is that too much to ask?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:37 pm

LOL here we go. I will say it once and it will be enough because I can argue the AI side of it just as well as you can argue the NAI side of it. The scum wincon is already provided with the information of each player's alignment (barring 3p/multi). Its not even necessary for scum to lift a finger and they know the alignment of everyone in this game. That's what you are doing and I will not be cluttering this thread with useless NAI vs. AI bullcrap. DO SOMETHING TO HELP THE TOWN -- like read, I mean you know, this is a game of Mafia where reading is involved right?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:39 pm

I'm a crappy person for asking you to replace as a town-aligned person would? And you decide to take this tact? ahahah keep playing to your wincon then becausde ur doing great.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:43 pm

Ok fair enough. Thank you for elucidating.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:46 pm

You may hold that opinion and feel that you are so skilled that you are "above the game" but I am here to tell you that you are responsible for reading this game.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:48 pm

lol I want to lynch you if you're scum so don't stop on my account.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:51 pm

@Krazy: Btw, I have upgraded Profii to Town because of his following the game throughout, genuine solving-mindset and helpful posts. I have upgraded FL to Null because at least he had a verifiable, non-fluff case on yourself.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:00 pm

He is demonstrating that he does not know the alignments of people and is taking certain actions to try and further that knowledge. This is a general theme that runs through his posts and I can pull large swaths of his ISO to show this.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:01 pm

@Sauda: Since people aren't going to be voting Sasha today (2 players have expressed adamant disapproval and only 2-3 players are actively agreeing AFAICT), I was wondering who you were thinking of voring today?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:02 pm

*voting

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:14 pm

Well obviously he runs the reaction test until post #595 so, no need to read into those two word posts (but there ARE some good ones in there I could use!).

599 -- Reads Light with explanation and

goes to dig

to verify his read is current
634 -- Excellent stream of consciousness post where he

works

to find his reads and info
697 -- Look how he asks for LE to express himself more clearly -- I mean that's town!

And it goes on and on. This genuine town mindset and activity runs throughout his posts and has not stopped. He remains the same way. We see the same things on multiple issues LE's slot & Worst FC.

Sure he went after the Neighborhood but even that is a townie action and I feel he was quite reasonable about it. :shrug:

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:31 pm

Ya thanks for reminding me dewd. I need to make my PoE list.

One sec...

[Creature,Krazy,Gamma,Worst,Crimson,Frank,Sauda,FL]

So ya, pretty lame. I usually have better reads than this. It must be because of the lurkers. Let's make a Tier 2 solve for the lurkers:

Tier 1 [Creature,Krazy,Worst,Crimson,Sauda,FL]
Tier 2 [Gamma,Frank]

I mean how am I able to read FL as town here, its too easy to scum skate like he is doing. Sauda is a permanent member of my PoE unless something wonderfully trip the light fantastic jump the shark happens. Crimson is likely scum and I believe will be leaving the game soon with a flip. Worst is scum FC. Yourself is simply going to be hard to read and everyone must continue to watch you. Creature I would like to lean town and I hope he picks it up.

I must continue to watch Gamma and Frank's slot. Both of their slots have scummy early games.

So it sucks but that's all I got. :shrug:

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:52 pm

Yup. I am pretty sad about it but one thing I must say is that both FL and Sauda have "elusive", non-transparent playstyles and that is making my list heavier. Add two lurkers to that list and its even heavier. I mean without those four we could expect 2 more town entries.

On Creature,. I like FL's meta statement about conflict/innovation. I think he is active lurking (he doesn't post even though he reads) and I mean if he was like Profii and would keep up with the "town consciousness" it would be easy to actually read him. Worst does a better job than this and I think represents Creature with an evolved game in his playstyle.

PEDIT: @Light: I am not going into detail about this but it creates a great place for scum to hide and I think its scummy and part of a larger scum case.

@Krazy: He is active lurking, i.e. mailing in the very surface of a town game. Obv-lazy-scum.

@Sauda: Thanks Sauda I love you too. Keep up the good work btw.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:54 pm

My ass.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:55 pm

Dewd you want to argue up this thread!? THAT gives scum a place to hide and creates town apathy. So just stop it but if you have no self-restraint then keep trying to scum up the thread like they are telling you in the scum Q/T

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:56 pm

Dewd you are going to be proved SO wrong on Sash and you are scummy for pushing him. And cry me a river will you?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:57 pm

I'm not a child so your childish personal insults just make me laugh. See I know you are stronger than this which is why you are doing it deliberately. Keep following your scum fellows in the Q/T.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:58 pm

I want to wagon you sauda, I really do. Ask Krazy, he wil tell you.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:58 pm

LOL you are one of these people that can't play a game and have to make everything personal. Grow up please.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:59 pm

Go ahead and lynch me then because I will accept that before I EVER vote Sash.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:06 pm

In post 2015, Krazy wrote:Sau I will join you on Sash tomorrow if we push through Creature today

@Rogers, as far as I can tell, Crimson lost interest in the thread when his top FoS replaced out. I personally struggled to stay in the game when dealing with all the replacements, so when you say he's active lurking, he's like a normal lurker dealing with a thread that was missing between 2-3 people at any given time, which seemed to compose at least 1-2 of the scummiest slots. So like maybe bear in mind that this thread was kinda boring for like a solid weak when you say he's just active lurking. tbh I don't think it's that strong of a case given the nature of the thread. So if that is the crux of your scumread on Crimson, I don't think it's nearly as good as the case on Manatee slot.

Yes thanks for sharing but I disagree. You see a normal TOWN player will be making efforts to try and keep up. This guy jusy keep making efforts to APPEAR that he is keeping up.

For example, Town!Crimson: Dang this thread! All your quotes Naomi are driving me crazy. Here's what I have so far: [reads]

Followed by some quote walls. This guy is MAILING it in, just like scum do.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:12 pm

And btw, I MAY join you on the Sash wagon tomorrow, if I am alive. But my life before I ever allow him to be voted D1.

Krazy, in 2015 I notice you don't mention that you could be NK'ed, why is that?

PEDIT: @Sauda: I know how scum can twist the future from the present and so I reserve judgment until the future becomes the present and ya a scum flip from Worst will be a step in the right direction for you but as Profii has pointed out, deliberately stalling his lynch with a generally accepted fakeclaim is not a step in the right direction.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:15 pm

LOL I mean ur just too much. I already told me you will have to go through me first (and FL apparently).

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:19 pm

@Krazy: FL said that the fact that he voted you showed initiative that scum Creature would not display.

@Sauda: I make the same argument but as town cred for Sasha but that's not why I will die before I will vote him today. That is simply not my argument. If The Worst can wait until tomorrow and you don't hear me whining about it with Ad Hom etc. then you will have to learn that so can Sash wait until tomorrow. Just man up.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:20 pm

Have at it Captain Town.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:27 pm

Just noting for the record that I believe scum are pushing this thread to explode with posts to make it impossible for Frank!Replace to catch up. This IS a scum strategy and I want to state for the record that I am not part of this.

Let me look into this...

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:34 pm

I hold post 655 as scummy, I het 657 and 671. A scum calloiut in 990 is apparent.

Is Manatee just bad town though?

PEDIT: Don't misrep me. Players need to read and participate and not coast. He and you made it into the retarded NAI argument.

@Light: I can quote you a scum Q/T where they agree to inflate the post count and post game criticized town for allowing it.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:47 pm

I like Creature's play ALOT. I perceive a town trajectory. If he is scum he really has upgraded his scum game from anything that is obvscum.

PEDIT: OK Light I understand your view on this. FMPOV, somebody comes into this thread saying they aren't going to read needs to be called out on it and attention called to it. He agreed to do reading to some degree based on necessity, mission accomplished.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:48 pm

His slot had a scummy entrance anyway and should not be ignored or allowed a pass.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:53 pm

I think if Creature had a little more confidence and posted like Sasha does, he would be much better off.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:57 pm

990

@Creature: Do you have any idea why Manatee would make such a statement? Does this statement make sense to you?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:00 pm

@Creature: What is your entire opinion on Worst Claim Gate?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:14 pm

INTERMISSION

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:01 pm

Ikr? And like all my town reads are on this wagon = same thing right?

I am waiting for Creature to get back to me on 2095 and 2096 but I have this same feeling that you mention which makes very comfortable on Crimson.

So now we have a replace. That's two with Frank.

I guess I will listen to more Rush...

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:03 pm

Everyone please be careful Crimson is at L-1. Please ask for intent and do not vote!

Obviously we should let the replace contribute. This will be a VERY difficult replace...

PEDIT: This push to lynch is scummy.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:05 pm

@Krazy: You didn't respond re: my Profii analysis? What did you think of it?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:09 pm

@Profii: This is a better case on Crimson made by Krazy:

In post 2036, Krazy wrote:I mean, Crimson is just a naturally passive player. Unfortunately he has no scum flips on site, so meta is not super helpful here. But I can say this game isn't dramatically out of line for his town games:

VT: viewtopic.php?t=76607&f=11&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
TPR: viewtopic.php?t=76171&f=50&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

He's like, a little more "game-solvy" as TPR, so this matches his VT game more, but in both he tends to take like 3 days after an unvote to revote someone. He is not aggressive at all as town. So while he might not be playing the way you like, I'm not really sure he flips scum here. I mean, maybe--maybe he plays scum exactly the same way he plays VT. I don't know that. But I do know that Manatee was not playing like a VT this game, and Creature is not playing like town Creature.

I know Sau and others are sick of meta discussions, but since there's no flips and no night kills, that's basically all I have for a lurker (not denying he is a lurker) like Crimson.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:19 pm

Wow I didn't even realize that there was a fence-sitty tone there. Thanks for pointing that out. You seem really good at reads.

I get caught up in the minutia of the details. My main issue is where he connects VT play exactly with the play he is having here -- IE this non-connected-to-the-game posturing is NAI for him?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:26 pm

I really see scum coasting with Crimson here. Its like looking at a wax figure, its all fake and no real town humanity or consciousness. Like scum-town-game boilerplate. :shrug:

PEDIT: CRIMSON DO NOT CLAIM!!! Krazy does not have the right to ask to you to claim here. You decided not to replace. Speak to us.

PEDIT: Wth just happened...

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:27 pm

FUCK!

Dammit Krazy!

Vote: Krazy

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:34 pm

I still don't get how Krazy just believes Worst's claim. And now he is suddenly not conflicted on this Doc claim if its for real...

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:36 pm

In post 2113, Krazy wrote:Crimson hardclaim now

This was totally unnecessary and the THIRD time I have found rolefishing from Krazy.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:40 pm

THere was NO NEED for him to hard claim. WHEN DO YOU START SEEING REALITY!?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:44 pm

Obviously there is no way anyone will vote Crimson today, we simply have no evidence that there is a FC. People SHOULD be voting TW but apparently this sound option is being forsaken due to misinterpretation of mafia theory.

I won't be voting Creature. I won't be voting Sasha. I am staying on Krazy.

PEDIT: DEWD HAMMERED BY WHOM??? There was nobody to hammer which is why someone on the wagon doesn't ask for a claim.

PEDIT: I briefly considered a Sauda wagon....

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:46 pm

In post 2145, Krazy wrote:
In post 2140, Mister Rogers wrote:THere was NO NEED for him to hard claim. WHEN DO YOU START SEEING REALITY!?
Why the fuck did you want the person you put to L-2 not to claim? Are you seriously just fucking around with your votes? This day has lasted weeks, we are not waiting for Frank's replacement to lynch someone, this shit has gotten absurd. Like, are YOU rolefishing? Why the fuck would you put him to L-2 if you don't want him to hardclaim and get lynched if he's not a TPR?

He decided not to replace. I just wanted to hear from him. Look if someone else came along to hammer I would have no complaints but THERE WASN'T ANYONE and THAT'S WHY IT WAS UNECESSARY.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:48 pm

So like wagoning for info without getting claims is like not in your Mafia playbook?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:51 pm

If his claim is real DO YOU REALIZE THE DAMAGE IT DOES TO TOWN TO FORCE A CLAIM without actual intent to hammer? Scum has been given far too much info aleady this day. I just hope that the Doc claim is fake.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:53 pm

In post 2128, Krazy wrote:So we have a full doctor and a full gunsmith so I guess this is a 13p follow-the-cop?

Sounds like bullshit to me.

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I don't want to discuss this BUT can you link me to a description of this setup please?

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:59 pm

Ok, so our Mod will have done some of these things:

Some methods of avoiding this trope in setup design (roughly in order of effectiveness) include:

Mafia-side roles that break the interdependence of the Cop and Doctor, such as Roleblocker or a Strongman/piercing kill
Town-side roles that do not allow for the Cop to be invincible, such as making the Cop Macho
Mafia-side roles that allow them to find the Doctor more easily, such as Role Cop or Tracker
Roles that investigate incorrectly, such as Miller and Godfather
Changing the sanity of the Cop (though this is questionable from a balance perspective)

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:01 pm

This is a great argument for why we should let scum live overnight.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:03 pm

*shouldn't

OK, I will simply drop it but good things to think about silently.

I can't vote Sasha and I don't think anyone should. I won't be on this wagon.

Mister Rogers · Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:09 pm

In post 2180, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2091, Mister Rogers wrote:I like Creature's play ALOT. I perceive a town trajectory. If he is scum he really has upgraded his scum game from anything that is obvscum.

PEDIT: OK Light I understand your view on this. FMPOV, somebody comes into this thread saying they aren't going to read needs to be called out on it and attention called to it. He agreed to do reading to some degree based on necessity, mission accomplished.
Well doesn’t my entrance feel antithetical as scum if you think scum are inflating the thread? And who do you think is scum if that’s the case?

No, your entrance is fine (minus our little scuffle which ended in an agreement). I am just waiting for your game to continue. YOUR SLOT's entrace to the game was scummy however which is why its even more important that we do not give you a pass.

I base not theories on scum identities but simply shared what it felt like on the way posts were going down. Just food for thought.