Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

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Literally everything Sasha is saying makes sense coming from a newer player’s first non newbie.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think this is TvT.

I think you've room for error

Sure, but I almost think you’re more likely to be scum. You’ve fooled me as scum before when I hard town read you, though, so I may have some leftover paranoia.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think this is TvT.

I think you've room for error

Sure, but I almost think you’re more likely to be scum. You’ve fooled me as scum before when I hard town read you, though, so I may have some leftover paranoia.

???
do you scumlean me leaf

I don’t, but paranoia. It’s Day 1. I’ll wait a day or two.

[Flavor Leaf]

Literally everything Sasha is saying makes sense coming from a newer player’s first non newbie.

that's not really alignment indicative sorry

I’m not saying new player stuf. I’m specifically saying newgreen.

[Flavor Leaf]

So we’re lynching off of that Manatee wagon

Krazy, Doughboy, TW, Profii, Sasha.

TW/Doughboy for reasons shouldn’t be on the table for today.

I don’t really have a strong lean for Profii either way.

Krazy/Sasha it is, then.

Krazy should definitely be the one, though.

Have you cross referenced this with people that voted TW?

I don’t necessarily find it relevant since I figured Worst was potential scum, and I felt Krazy was defending there or white knighting. I’ll check it again, though. Thatcame during a time I was awa

[Flavor Leaf]

I will be away for the day. Might post WAY LATE tonight, but yeah. I’ll be away for the day.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m here. I’ll be able to catch up today or tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeh, FL towns up later.

ORLY? Why is he pushing a scumlist based on the Manatee wagon? How on this earth can you fault the entire wagon for voting something that is so obvbscum/anti-town?

Am I missing something about that wagon because how does it even make sense unless you con individually show scum motivations for each of the players there??

I mean it just sounds like he is being lazy to me?

I mean, you can just read my posts. All of this is already answered.

[Flavor Leaf]

And Mister Rogers coming in this way makes a lot of sense with how Doughboy vs Me was in relation to Krazy, so Krazy’s warlocking Mister Rogers right now.

Krazy is clearly scum. Plenty of things out there have shown why. And honestly, as town, he would have been able to see it too, just wasn’t correct alignment. Him fighting it though changes that.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s Day 1, Krazy is trying to act like reads are ridiculous like nobody should be even thinking of scum reading him, so he’s going about like it’s preposterous which town in his position doesn’t do here how he is doing it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well I'm about 15 of 20 pages for my first chunk of catchup. I guess I missed your Krazy case. I don't think he is wrong that you are crazy posting though.

PEDIT: Well eventually I will review the actual case against him to analyze if his defense is from scum but it would seem to me there are better lynch choices this day. At this point we (You/I) barely agree on any read...

I mean, I’m just eccentric.

Other people have agreed with my posts. He’s talking about a personality hung, and you’re aimlessly defending based on things he’s whispering in the neighborhood likely.

Classic scum move on his part.

[Flavor Leaf]

Eh, I don’t need a flip to read people. I can just play town.

I’m not going to talk with Rogers anymore.

Not good with people who have a wall in between them and playing mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wouldn’t say Krazy is coasting.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wouldn’t say Krazy is coasting.

Ok. Listening sir. Nice post btw.

At work right now. Not gonna analyze giant posts here.

If anything that shows I’m not trying to hide my thoughts. Trying to peep up and put stuff out there when I can.

Honestly, I haven’t been caught up since before you weren’t in this game, so I have to make sure to keep up a little bit.

[Flavor Leaf]

I might just wanna power tunnel Mister Rogers tbh. He makes LE look like they’re multiposting one liners.

[Flavor Leaf]

I might just wanna power tunnel Mister Rogers tbh. He makes LE look like they’re multiposting one liners.

You can call that pulling a Flavor.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, I know what i’m going to read when I can’t sleep tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

I already gave a read on Sasha, and gave analysis multiple times with Sasha.

Rogers is literally commenting on my thoughts without having read them.

I also don’t understand why Rogers thinks you can’t develop reads through other people’s reactions towards slots or with low post count. Seems inexperienced, but he talks with a lot of confidence.

[Flavor Leaf]

And like FL should be all indignant about your push because it amounts to a policy lynch really and well that shouldn't be tolerated, right? I mean in most cases I of course agree that its sub-optimal...

That’s why this post is completely irrelevant and a misrep ontop of a misrep.

[Flavor Leaf]

Literally everything Sasha is saying makes sense coming from a newer player’s first non newbie.

that's not really alignment indicative sorry

I’m not saying new player stuf. I’m specifically saying newgreen.

I specifically called Sasha NewGreen.

Rogers has been pushing me based on my content yet hasn’t read my content.

[Flavor Leaf]

I had made a scum case ish on Sasha prior, as well, but I retracted. There’s plenty reasons to go either way there.

Mister should stop commenting based on old news.

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And like FL should be all indignant about your push because it amounts to a policy lynch really and well that shouldn't be tolerated, right? I mean in most cases I of course agree that its sub-optimal...

@Saudade - he literally brought up how i should be, and I explained why I shouldn’t be.

[Flavor Leaf]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I’m tryna get out of his head. He keeps bringing me back.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn’t want Ducky ever. I didn’t swe potential scum Ducky until after the PR claim, and i feel that will work itself out anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

@The Worst: I don't see an explanation on your vote on Naomi. Did I miss something obvious?

Why does this stand out to you?

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf was prodded

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Nah, I will powertunneldefend a Ducky lynch. Not lynching TW today. Just deal with it later. It’s that simple.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m starting to believe Mister Rogers is just scum pushing these ridiculous things, by as scum he’d have to see this too, no?

[Flavor Leaf]

Rogers better hope my soft vig claim was fake

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And i don’t believe Sasha meant like the role lightning rod, more like a lightning rod drawing the night kill because of gunsmith claim if town.

Even if Worst is scum, I’d rather hear some of his actions during the night, as that can benefit us too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Anyone who pushes TW like this in this situation so hard, I can’t see coming from a town perspective at all. Just seems like scum trying to get rid of a PR they think they can mislynch.

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Honestly, if we can’t come to a consensus on who to vote in the next day or so, can we just lynch Rogers?

Anyone opposed to this? Besides Rogers.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m just gonna vig you tonight then. :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

Rogers better hope my soft vig claim was fake

I missed the claim. From the wiki, I get that all Vigilantes are Green?

Yup. Imma shoot you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why “more or less” lost on Saudade?

I’ve even stated I think he’s more likely scum than sasha is at this point.

I’m just shooting Rogers tonight, so I won’t powerlynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

There we go Rogers. Just needed you to catch up, I guess.

[Flavor Leaf]

And welcome, Gamma.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sup Gamma?

My hope is that you will carefully review the thread. And when you are done, you will help me lynch Creature.

Weakening the person who is on the wagon with me. I see.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you are worried about coaching, maybe the timestamps will help?

Believe it or not, Sasha is giving us loads of more content than Crimson.

I agree with this. I’m not as hard on Crimson as y’all, but Sasha’s doing what she can, and it’s townie for me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would vote Creature/Crimson before I would Vote Sash...

The same way that FL would fight the Creature/Manatee lynch is the same way that I would fight the Sash lynch -- definitely for different reasons I think though :shrug:

I have zero interest in a Sasha/TW lynch

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, it was hella townie Creature went on Krazy tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, it was hella townie Creature went on Krazy tbh.

I was reading the page I left off on and responded without realizing there were more pages.

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature, back on Krazy and krazy ties for leading wagon.

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Imma hardcore fight the Creature/Sasha wagon, and I don’t think Naomi needs to be touched today at all.

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@Rogers - it wasn’t while you guys were posting. I feel like it was the same thing as if i had gone back and just quoted it, so warning didn’t come up

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I’ve been out of town for a few days, so that’s why my involvement has been limited.

[Flavor Leaf]

Imma hardcore fight the Creature/Sasha wagon, and I don’t think Naomi needs to be touched today at all.

Why don’t you want Creature?

Cuz that slot’s town based on the manatee wagon and Creature’s activity.

This isn’t how ScumCreature plays. ScumCreature doesn’t deal with pressure and fights like this.

TownCreature does.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not necessarily caring too much about the activity tell moreso than what and how it’s being said.

I feel I’ve always been pretty good at reading Creature too. The manatee slot and me seeing that town on his entrance helped too, though

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't even know, I'm too busy dealing with stupid townies and Frank has been missing for weeks so I have basically nothing to work with there. Maybe Frank, maybe not. Definitely Creature.

I'm somewhere like:
Town: Gamma, Naomi, LE, Saudade, FL, Rogers
Probably town but MIA which bugs me cause he's posting in another game: Duck
Probably not scum with Creature: Crimson
Who the fuck knows: Sasha, Profii
Maybe scum: Frank
Scum: Creature

So, one of LE/Saude, then one of Profii/Crimson is scum with you.

Got it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also for Flavor Leaf: why is Frank town? Is it purely because your scum read says he could be scum?

I don’t have a strong read that leans anyway. If i did earlier, i forget why, and probably had a lot to do with correlation to who was saying he was scum.

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You guys looked way too into my surface level shade post on Krazy’s reads list. I don’t take preflip analysis super seriously, it’s just something I like to keep in my mind and onthe table, so i can look back later and measure it all up again.

I try not to overanalyze it more than just a surface level,because too much preflip.

[Flavor Leaf]

Y’all talk about me a lot

[Flavor Leaf]

Yay. I like this Krazy stuff. Keep it coming. I promise it’ll hit scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I'm at L-2, then I claim, because Creature is off my wagon.

I'm vig, I'm shooting Creature tonight regardless of whether we lynch him or not so unless he's masons with FL he's not going to be alive on day 2.

False. I’m vig.

I’m staying on Krazy.

Wtf guys. I’ve been claiming vig all game. Whoever said I should move my vote is scummy af too

[Flavor Leaf]

I can’t shoot him tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is a scum claim that lets him coast and warrant killing me tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

Then he can coast on the “but i shot Flavor” which is just going to be the scum kill and only kill, and potentially out a protective.

With the gunsmith claim, my tunnel and soft vigging, and the wagon on Krazy, that is a fake claim that he’s gonna coast a few days before eventually being caught.

Like hands down.

[Flavor Leaf]

I lied. I’m not a vig.

[Flavor Leaf]

I lied. I’m not a vig.

I was testing you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t know who i want today. Let me think.

[Flavor Leaf]

Profii, i think you’re scum.

Gamma, I have scum vibes on you.


I don’t like this. My Boon Babes are scummy

[Flavor Leaf]

Profii, i think you’re scum.

Gamma, I have scum vibes on you.


I don’t like this. My Boon Babes are scummy

These are all based on gut. I don’t have any case a for this, but I’m trying to figure out my thoughts on it

[Flavor Leaf]

I lied. I’m not a vig.

I was testing you.

How was this a test? You crumbed vig a long time ago.

I wasn’t actually crumbing it. I was ripping half a piece of bread off and dropping it on the floor going, “oops, I’m probably a vig”

What vig actually does that

[Flavor Leaf]

So once FL realizes that his CC plan won’t immediately lynch Krazy he backs off?

Yeah, I basically turned my read on Krazy.

Unvote

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I’m actually pretty comfortable with the Saudade wagon based on people on it.
Usually if I get early scum vibes from Gamma he’s town, so

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Cool. Show us when you can show more than that.

No reason to go today. Solid Day 3 lynch if can’t trust.

With this given setup thus far, it makes a lot of sense, so

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VOTE: Crimson

I think this is the play. Sheep the Naomi.

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VOTE: Unvote

Well. I forgot about that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think Saudade is the play either. Hmm

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I’m not questioning why you’re scum reading him or anything. I get that. I just think that it’s coming from TownSaudade

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Y’all are TvT, along with me and manatee. I’m also sure of Naomi. Gamma gives scum vibes so that’s town to me.

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Read that decently fast, please

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Sasha’s town, that much is true. Crimson’s Doctor, so join our crew.

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Fuck it.
VOTE: Frank

This is the slot, I feel, guys.

I have reasons to believe all the people I stated higher aren’t town. Krazy/TW can be figured out cuz of their claims. Profii is NAI everywhere, and needs a scum case really so let’s save that.

It’s the Frank slots time. Mixed in with the replace/potential modkill, let’s just go Frank.

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Fuck it.
VOTE: Frank

This is the slot, I feel, guys.

I have reasons to believe all the people I stated higher aren’t town. Krazy/TW can be figured out cuz of their claims. Profii is NAI everywhere, and needs a scum case really so let’s save that.

It’s the Frank slots time. Mixed in with the replace/potential modkill, let’s just go Frank.

[Flavor Leaf]

When Sasha flips scum with the worst your signature is going to need an update flavor

I’m not anti Worst scum, actually. I just don’t want the slot there today.

[Flavor Leaf]

He's going to get mod killed anyway

I personally feel that’s a good reason to go there for that day. Mod kills can ruin games, so i like trying to avoid that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Holy crap a lurker vote? Well I sure as heck ain't switching there unless we are in danger of NL.

I don’t want a mod kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mod kill ends the day?

Oh, it might. But we can’t rely on that in case of a replacement. I basically want the slot dead based on not wanting thenother slots right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hello everyone. I'm Frank's replacement, and I'm Town. I do not wish to read 106 pages though, so if there are any important

information

that I should know please fill me in. Thank you

VOTE: Unvote

[Flavor Leaf]

@Rogers - that’s just difference in playstyles I feel between us.

Don’t ruin what we got. We’re different, but we can still be friends...

Also, we have ONE DAY now to find a lynch, a little more.

What’s the plan guys?

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tw is probably town too. Either that or he has a very good scumster coaching him (that would be Flavour Leaf 99% of the time).

P-edit:

@Ethos: scum!tw necessitates scum!FL in my mind. tw isn't capable of faking this kind of play/claim on his own and planning it in advance (he

has

been crumbing a PR alright). Furthermore, a Gunsmith can be found out (if fake) pretty easily, although the Vig outing doesn't help in this regards.

Tell me something (bc I'm ISOing and not reading the thread as a whole): Did the Vig out before or after tw claimed GS?

And with Worst and my history, involved with me saying in a game that just finished, Worst would DEFINITELY let me coach him, this is actually a good point.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, at least FL doesn't have a predecessor, but my God that's one hell of an ISO.

Only kind of ISO i got is one hell of a

[Flavor Leaf]

Nope! My point about tw stilol stands. He mentioned the Vig in 701 & 713 long before FL said he would vig Doughboy in 921, and both before Krazy outed, so it's like FL is the scummiest of the 3, and tw "may or may not" be scum IF FL is scum, but is much more likely to be town if FL flips town.

Also, "I'm not today's lynch" is in fact a PR crumb (regardless of whether it's true or fake). I use that all the time to bait the NK myself. Too bad I can't be doing this in this game no matter how hard I try (it also makes me look scummy to some players who are not aware of what I'm doing), and the reason I can't do it is simple: There have been way too many TPR claims already (and they can't be all fake) that I can't come up with one that fits. I guess I could just act like "an unspecified" TPR, but still that's not gonna take precedence over a Vig AND a GS 9not to mention a Doctor), so it will mostly be anti-town with not much to gain.

That being said, I may as well tell you that I am indeed an "unspecified TPR"

It’s the “got something as town in my back pocket” line, however I fake this as scum sometimes, so it’s not entirely a town thing only, but you’re right, i don’t see Ducky doing that.

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Which brings me to the 3rd time I have had to ask Krazy why he didn't crumb but expects it from others. He is deliberately dodging me on this question.

Good question, but vig claim can potentially clear itself later, UNLESS we think there is a SK, but I digress.

I just finished Season 2 of American Vandal, so I’m in critical thinking mode

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Creature will flip town btw. I hope we can lynch elsewhere.

PEDIT: We never discussed where Krazy will shoot but it should be at the town direction. We should do that.

I only point out the Doc scenario because its possible and we should all be aware of it.

This. On Creature.

[Flavor Leaf]

aha!

Flavour Leaf - help me sort Saudade

remember this game? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76139

In my mind, Saudade is "doing a BBT" and just driving his chosen lynch.
In that game, BBT was wrong, but was town.

So I've kinda been sorting this cocky behaviour from Saudade as potentially town but potentially wrong, so whilst I agree with some points there is a risk of just getting it wrong.

Can you see the comparison? How are you sorting Saudade? I need help

I have absolutely zero reasons to push Saudade as either scum or town, really. He’s right down the middle for me, but he is pushing Sasha hard, and I have a strong town read on this.

Also, that personality on BBT isn’t AI either. I think I’m at the same spot you are, so I think we’re mind melding.


Also, our partner game is finally over, so don’t have to hide any feelings we had about each other in that game.

Woo, That was probably why I was stuck on you for a bit, because a lot of things I had to say I felt I couldn’t because of the ongoing games. We matched up kind of in that game for reads from the same perspective, yet had different reads a lot too.

This Saudade thing helps me be a little more confident in a lean town for you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Good question, but vig claim can potentially clear itself later, UNLESS we think there is a SK, but I digress.

no multiball in 13p fam

I’ve modded multiple multiball games in 13p, one with SK, one with 2 teams of 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thoughts on A50 so far FL?

I think he’s townie. I agree with a lot of things he’s saying on catchup.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve modded multiple multiball games in 13p, one with SK, one with 2 teams of 2.

Those were the old rules, normal says no multiball unless it's large (14+) now.

Hmm, didn’t know that got changed. For the best for normals, anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

So who is scum?

I feel like all scum are in:

Rogers, Naomi, Saudade, Gamma, Ethos.

[Flavor Leaf]

Which of em, no clue really, nor am I directly scum reading them.

Crimson *could* be fake fake claiming, but it makes sense so far unless it’s a scum doctor. Actually, that’s probably what it is. Has a godfather like effect with gunsmith as well

[Flavor Leaf]

No strong reasons to town read them. I have reasons to town read the lot of them, but scum can have reasons to be town read, so I feel that while I personally see nothing too scummy with Naomi’s play, it’s not out of the possibility for her to be scum.

At this point I have like zero actual scum reads, and that’s concerning to me, so I’m going a more logical route than how I usually play.

[Flavor Leaf]

Although, I am actually getting scum vibes from Crimson, and that’s where I was going to go. If Crimson is scum, Naomi is not scum, and vice versa. Both could still be town.

But I think I’m actually leaning towards Crimson fake claiming their role, and that kinda sucks, because I don’t really wanna risk losing a town doctor over my paranoia.

But if Crimson is scum, not a scum doctor, they’ll have a gun, but if they are scum doctor, they won’t, and can get cleared as scum, from the gunsmith.
I’m not thinking Worst is a scum gunsmith based on Doctor

[Flavor Leaf]

And vig claims got cut off of the end

[Flavor Leaf]

Im town reading Worst and Krazy for reasons besides their claims, mixed in with how they came about them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum team of 3 on Day 1

Let’s lynch Rogers, guys.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m leaving off of the claims, I want Crimson then. His potential to be town doctor is my only reason of staying away, but i see it as least likely real claim

[Flavor Leaf]

Why do you assume I’m not aware of how they happened?

I have my own ways to figure out if they’re telling the truth or not.

Just watch and see.

[Flavor Leaf]

No offense but I think this PoE sucks, not because I am in it but because I am in it (long dramatic pause) AND Naomi and Light are in it.

100% this. It makes zero sense for you to put both of us in that pool together. We can both be town together. One of us can be town, the other mafia. We can't both be scum together.

In that context, your pool is incredibly unlikely to be true, as it requires either the scum team to be exactly Rogers, Saudade, and Gamma or a permutation of 1 in {Naomi,Light Ethos} and 2 in {Rogers, Saudade, Gamma}. I don't see that happening.

Where did I say you couldn’t be?

[Flavor Leaf]

No offense but I think this PoE sucks, not because I am in it but because I am in it (long dramatic pause) AND Naomi and Light are in it.

100% this. It makes zero sense for you to put both of us in that pool together. We can both be town together. One of us can be town, the other mafia. We can't both be scum together.

In that context, your pool is incredibly unlikely to be true, as it requires either the scum team to be exactly Rogers, Saudade, and Gamma or a permutation of 1 in {Naomi,Light Ethos} and 2 in {Rogers, Saudade, Gamma}. I don't see that happening.

This is a misrep. I never said you guys were both scum nor both town, nor one or the other

Why don’t you see that happening? Because of Day 1 play?

[Flavor Leaf]

Call me a jerk (its easy!) but FoS FL for having "trouble" formulating his reads; inconsistency in the way reads have been formulated.,

Does anyone see what I am saying here. I am posting this more to make a note of it because something is not smelling right with the whole way TL has read the player list?

PEDIT: See this makes no sense to me. HOW can you accept Worst's claim because ur read of him is so super accurate?? But yet at the same time say that an almost perfectly good claim by Crimson is most likely false?

I don't think your logic regarding your reads?

I have more consistency in reads when I’m scum. I can link you to games if you’d like, or can just ask players here who know me that I am by far more consistent as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

It is also much more commonplace for TownLeaf to go against the grain, and more commonplace for scumLeaf to lead the pack.

So...do what you will with it.

I’ll take all these reactions and your overreactions nicely.

[Flavor Leaf]

Call me a jerk (its easy!) but FoS FL for having "trouble" formulating his reads; inconsistency in the way reads have been formulated.,

Does anyone see what I am saying here. I am posting this more to make a note of it because something is not smelling right with the whole way TL has read the player list?

PEDIT: See this makes no sense to me. HOW can you accept Worst's claim because ur read of him is so super accurate?? But yet at the same time say that an almost perfectly good claim by Crimson is most likely false?

I don't think your logic regarding your reads?

Have you played with FL before?

Profii and I here literally just finished a partner game where he got to see all my thoughts on a game, and literally changed my reads completely within the same hour multiple times throughout the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is a misrep. I never said you guys were both scum nor both town, nor one or the other

It's not a misrepresentation. Read my post more carefully.
I'm saying that your pool falls apart. You have a pool of 5 people that have 3 scum in them.

I'm saying that it is ridiculous to think that both Naomi and I are scum together. The rest of the post explicitly lists the possible scum teams you propose when you exclude the possibility of Naomi and I being scum together. When you exclude that possibility, your pool falls apart.

Add Crimson in there. Context clues.

And show me hard concrete that says you can’t.

Scum theatre’s a thing, yo

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum team of 3 on Day 1

Let’s lynch Rogers, guys.

While I have scumread that before, it was due to specific reasons, and I scumread someone else for it. Maybe if you elaborate on intent it might change my mind but for now, I think you’re off the mark.

More for low hanging fruit and in my pool. We have 9 hours, so...

[Flavor Leaf]

Almost, we have 9 hours. Can’t necessarily expect that deadline to get extended.

Where do you think is best?

[Flavor Leaf]

This is a misrep. I never said you guys were both scum nor both town, nor one or the other

It's not a misrepresentation. Read my post more carefully.
I'm saying that your pool falls apart. You have a pool of 5 people that have 3 scum in them.

I'm saying that it is ridiculous to think that both Naomi and I are scum together. The rest of the post explicitly lists the possible scum teams you propose when you exclude the possibility of Naomi and I being scum together. When you exclude that possibility, your pool falls apart.

I disagree that you couldn’t be scum together tbh. I actually don’t understand the premise of this

[Flavor Leaf]

You honestly think it's plausible to say that my interaction with Naomi-Tan early in the game was SvS?

Lol

“Early in the game” dude.

Scum theatre.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t even really remember you two early game.

I remember myself and Naomi early game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum team of 3 on Day 1

Let’s lynch Rogers, guys.

While I have scumread that before, it was due to specific reasons, and I scumread someone else for it. Maybe if you elaborate on intent it might change my mind but for now, I think you’re off the mark.

More for low hanging fruit and in my pool. We have 9 hours, so...

Would you be willing to vote Sauda?

Performer just replaced into the slot. We got 9 hours left.

[Flavor Leaf]

I might be willing to go Naomi in the case if it flips town, all these people going “Can’t be scum with Naomi” go away.

If Naomi flips red, cool. That works too

[Flavor Leaf]

Crimson- doc
Krazy- vig
Worst- gunsmith
Flavor- undecided

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t even really remember you two early game.

I remember myself and Naomi early game.

Early relative to where we are now. After she had her interaction with you, she hounded me for an extended period of time and then she got busy and faded away.

Sure, but she also started pushing Crimson instead, so that’s easily a scum theatre tactic. Not saying you all are S/S, but it ain’t out of the ball park. I’m good with tinfoil theories, too. Never throw them out

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Naomi

In the lynch pool, tons of connected people, 2 claimed PR’s are voting that way, we have 9 hours left.

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you remeber the game we played where you did traffic light reads?

Me? What game was that? I might have done it, but not sure if I called them traffic lights reads, so unsure what you’re referring to if you’re talking to me

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you remeber the game we played where you did traffic light reads?

Me? What game was that? I might have done it, but not sure if I called them traffic lights reads, so unsure what you’re referring to if you’re talking to me

Yea you only post read lists and traffic light colours and nothing else just moving people up and down the read list

Oh, yeah, I remember doing that. If I’m alive in the next day or so, I’ll add some more flavor into this game with some color lists. (Won’t be doing it that way, but I have some other ways. THat way works when i don’t need to comment.)

And alright, so we don’t have to super rush for a lynch, but still don’t have much time left

[Flavor Leaf]

I have half a mind to confirm your theory

*facepalm*

Okay... so the only way to 'confirm my theory' would been to claim cop or gunsmith, Which if I'm reading that correctly you just did despite my repeated warnings not to. So... I revealed 3 of our PR's to reds on the first day... without trying to on the first account and after explicitly and clearly asking people not to on the second account..

I have an annoying playstyle. it’s very possible I’m just a 1 shot BP.

Typical Flavor :p

That makes this much funnier.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have half a mind to confirm your theory

*facepalm*

Okay... so the only way to 'confirm my theory' would been to claim cop or gunsmith, Which if I'm reading that correctly you just did despite my repeated warnings not to. So... I revealed 3 of our PR's to reds on the first day... without trying to on the first account and after explicitly and clearly asking people not to on the second account..

I have an annoying playstyle. it’s very possible I’m just a 1 shot BP.

Typical Flavor :p

That makes this much funnier.

lols actually that’s why I ignored your vig claim haha

This has the potential to be much funnier later on.

[Flavor Leaf]

I agree with the thing about Naomi, but I don’t think scum is going to be playing scummy this game.

You seem to believe all three claims, yet are high town reading Rogers/LE.

Rogers’s specifically thinks people shouldn’t believe them. Thoughts?

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you remeber the game we played where you did traffic light reads?

Me? What game was that? I might have done it, but not sure if I called them traffic lights reads, so unsure what you’re referring to if you’re talking to me

Yea you only post read lists and traffic light colours and nothing else just moving people up and down the read list

Oh, yeah, I remember doing that. If I’m alive in the next day or so, I’ll add some more flavor into this game with some color lists. (Won’t be doing it that way, but I have some other ways. THat way works when i don’t need to comment.)

And alright, so we don’t have to super rush for a lynch, but still don’t have much time left

Please do that thing you do with the rainbow reads and the game show host shtick

Oi, 114 pages of Day 1. I’ll see what I can do later tonight when I feel like deep analyzing for an hour or so...

Rogers and Ethos just gonna attack me afterwards.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, I want Crimson, though.

That screams fake claim to me. For 3 town PR’s to come out like that...

and the Creature slot is still one of my stronger town reads, and Rogers has gone lower.

Only thing Rogers has going for him for me right now is the “doing the most” and the doughboy replacement.

For me to believe Worst and Krazy’s claims, though, that just leaves profii/Sasha on the Creature wagon at peak, however I’m town reading Profii for other reasons.

Sasha, Crimson, Rogers team?

Hmm, I’m not sure.

[Flavor Leaf]

also tf

Is everybody going to replace out?

It’s just Day 1. I think if the rest of us haven’t gone already, we’re in it for the long haul.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think i wanna risk it for the biscuit and go Crimson.

Scum Doctor flip makes it so we can without a doubt trust any gunsmith investigative, too.

Worst will probably die in this case. And Crimson’s actively not going to save our PR’s, I feel. You can kind of tell from time, which is also another scummy thing, I think.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Naomi

In the lynch pool, tons of connected people, 2 claimed PR’s are voting that way, we have 9 hours left.

SCUMTASTIC FREAKING SUMTASTIC!

FOS TL for this scummy eod push!

I’m 3rd on the wagon, yo.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Crimson

[Flavor Leaf]

Rogers gonna come in with the chainsaw now

[Flavor Leaf]

Crimson, Rogers, then one other is the scum. Probably Sasha. Potentially Profii duping me, but I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it.

[Flavor Leaf]

It seems like bratty Gamma which generally comes from TownGamma that gives me scum vibes, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma is the player I’m most familiar with followed by Creature, Worst, and Ducky.

For what it’s worth anyways.

Performer/A50 I’ve played with, and I’m familiar with, but wouldn’t say that weknow how to read each other insanely well, but familiar enough to handle each other.

[Flavor Leaf]

Crimson, Rogers, then one other is the scum. Probably Sasha. Potentially Profii duping me, but I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it.

What about Gamma?

In my bratty gamma post, i meant to bring up that Gamma could be in that Sasha slot as well, but from my familiarity with Gamma alone I was leaning town there

[Flavor Leaf]

Worst, and Ducky.

Are they the same?

Damn. I meant to say Profii and Ducky

[Flavor Leaf]

I doubt we have a full vig with a full gunsmith with a full doctor

The doctor claim seems the less believable

Krazy claimed odd, but yeah.

Full gunsmith makes sense with a scum doctor, though. More chances of the scum doctor being gunsmithed.

With an outed vig, killing a scum doctor guarantees that scum have to kill Ducky or have absolute confirmation in alignments with ducky

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think Saudade has enough games on site to be able to do that with correctly.

I feel he has under 7 games, and I’ve been in like 4 of them, including being his IC for one of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess I do have a good idea of how Saudade plays. I just feel he’s good at playing the same as either alignment, so I don’t think anything found on Day 1 would put him as scum l, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess I do have a good idea of how Saudade plays. I just feel he’s good at playing the same as either alignment, so I don’t think anything found on Day 1 would put him as scum l, if that makes sense.

Again I think he’s playing differently to the normal we 3 were all in.

I’ve seen him scum as well, though, and it’s different here than there.

His games just evolving

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m kind of okay with them being shot, tbh.

I don’t really want to have to argue people who think they are fake claiming, but I get the point.

I like doing risk/reward stuff, I guess, but when there’s more risk most people like to stray away.

That was a secondary point, though. I just feel Crimson is scum and want him lynched.

The PR’s can be shot anyways, because he can just go “oops protected the other one teehee”

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess I do have a good idea of how Saudade plays. I just feel he’s good at playing the same as either alignment, so I don’t think anything found on Day 1 would put him as scum l, if that makes sense.

afaik he has never replaced out as tpr or scum, and only replaced out of one game as VT, so ragequitting over not being able to get a lynch on Sasha is plausibly TI although the sample size is too low to be substantial

THats my point, yeah. Sample size too low

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Crimson

OMG! This is the scummiest post/vote in your mafia history, mate. Since when do YOU vote claimed PRs for the lynch on D1 without a CC? I mean, you're one of the most orthodox players when it comes to town play theory, and I simply don't see you pushing for the lynch of a claimed PR here. Can you either elaborate or prove me wrong by linking a previous game on MAFIASCUM where you did this?

P.S. I am obviously not interested on games on "other sites" because the whole site meta is different there, so that's why I am asking for a link to a game on this site.

We had been talking about it prior. I don’t really see it as unprecedented.

[Flavor Leaf]

@A50 - you realize I did the same thing, right?

PE:

Haha.

[Flavor Leaf]

He’s also melding with me, which makes sense.

Creature and I have been on the same page for a while now. I hard hard hard defended his slot all game

[Flavor Leaf]

I doubt we have a full vig with a full gunsmith with a full doctor

The doctor claim seems the less believable

Maybe I'm taking too far? If so, I'm sorry, and I assure you I am not trying to harass you in any way, shape or form.

That said; why the hell do you think a limited shot PR should claim that? Isn't "town Vig/GS/Doc" enough info for TOWN?

There’s likely other PR’s out there still.

[Flavor Leaf]

Stop. We’re masons.

[Flavor Leaf]

Stop. We’re masons.

Titus? Is that you?

I mean, look at my entire post history regarding that slot.

[Flavor Leaf]

And look at how often we are voting the same way. Both went to krazy, both went to Crimson now. I hard hard hard defended.

[Flavor Leaf]

AND there’s a reason we think Scum Doctor is likely with a gunsmith this game.

AND I’ve been stating there’s more PR’s in this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Now let’s focus off of Creature. However now scum might feel the need to kill within one of us now

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe-not-so-spicy read:

Flavor Leaf is town

Maybe-not-so-spicy read:

Flavor Leaf is town

Town read me again, I dare you. See what happens.

Maybe-not-so-spicy read:

Flavor Leaf is town

Town read me again, I dare you. See what happens.

???

Am I supposed to not townread you?

Man, you were supposed to take the dare, and I was gonna go...

“Aight Creature’s conftown.”

Now you’re just regular town...

Which slot did you replace Creature

He’s Manatee, so i was already town reading the slot.

Meta dictates this is townCreature too.

Creatures first read stated in this game and first conver basically

[Flavor Leaf]

Unless you can prove the Doc claim is FC, we need to lay off the claimed Doc today. I sure as heck will have no part of that wagon and serious FoS anyone on it.

I can. There’s not masons, gunsmith, Doctor, and vig in the same game. Gunsmith was first, and that fits the bill with the rest of the setup.

[Flavor Leaf]

Doctor is to give scum a potential clear off the gunsmith.

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature will flip town, sorry.

Who i said this to?

[Flavor Leaf]

[line][/line]

I told him to claim if he was a mason 0.o

Flavor Leaf I swear to shit if you're fakeclaiming masons because you townread the slot...

We didn’t talk much tbh. He wasn’t on at the same time as me very often.

[Flavor Leaf]

On performer’s part, I feel like that’s how a lot of people have been playing towards me his game.
“Wait to see what Flavor thinks”.

I’m definitely getting pandered, and it’s affecting my reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

@the lack of other investigative, I feel there can be another investigative, just not direct.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gunsmith
2 masons
Odd night vig

Mafia
Doc
Goon
Goon

Is balanced.

[Flavor Leaf]

I could see mafia having like one more weak role, but yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

If there are more PR’s, don’t claim. But scum could have another semi medium role.

Vigilante Neighbor is generally likely to shoot their neighbor, with a mafia doctor, i won’t rule out that secondary slot as scum either.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m scum reading Rogers to an extent, and town reading Profii.

[Flavor Leaf]

@A50 - neighbors don’t affect balance, and then scum would just have another role likely

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d think Town:town neighbors would aid town, and town:scum neighbors would aid scum, based on how neighbor interactions affect perceptions of each other
Remember how easy it was for you to pocket me in mini 1985? That’s what scum neighbors are expected to do.

But there’s also a vig neighbor which can be expected to shoot their neighbor if needn’t be.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like doc should be on me or Krazy. They won’t shoot Worst because if Crimson is alive they want the gunsmith on them probably.

[Flavor Leaf]

Although, If it’s a fake claim only and not scum doctor, Crimson would have a fun, so...

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d rather go Rogers who keeps saying Worst has the most likely fake claim when he setup makes sense with it, so the others would have to be more fake

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m happy to vote TW - I’m happy to vote Crimson, or Krazy, or Golfball

I can’t put my vote in 4 places and I’m obviously wrong about at least 1 of those I would imagine so get your toys and put them back in the pram

pretty sure this is scum

I'm really kinda feelin' this slot guys what you think?

Nah, i was similar besides TW slot. I’m pretty linked up with profii this game, tbh.

I’m pretty soul reading him here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t understand that list.

I’m pretty paired up with both creature and Profii despite a few separate reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

idk man he's said some scummmmmy shit

his reaction to vig claim was bad

he seems to want to literally lynch anyone and has no attempt at a solve

he's a clutch lynch here FL

He doesn’t wanna lynch me.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah cause he thinks he can pocket you for game win

Nah, he knows I’d turn on him eventually.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d rather go Rogers who keeps saying Worst has the most likely fake claim when he setup makes sense with it, so the others would have to be more fake

LOL. Do you just make posts just to make me mad? Because number one,

NO CLAIMS ARE CONFIRMED IN THIS GAME YET

(except Neighbors and like w/e that's worth). Bad claims are hella scummy and you should not excuse them (Worst/Krazy have bad elements). You can't talk about "setup" unless we have confirmed claims without massively being involved in WIFOM -- I know the scum are driving all this BS pre-confirmed claim BS this day.

I mean, mine is.

I agree with The Krazy and Crimson one’s, but Worst one I see as townie.

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Lol, if Almost, Krazy, and Myself were the scum team here, but not Creature.

Also, @profii bringing up my sig.

On my Boonskiies account, I say the exact same thing, except the flip of it. I WOULD do that as town!

[Flavor Leaf]

Crimson being alive later as scum gives them a potential no kill gambit as well

[Flavor Leaf]

Fair. Towns haven’t been too strong lately, and I think they’re compensating.

However, a lot of games PR’s don’t even matter or change the game too much unless a lot of confirmed players can get in the game.

When i mod games, I always have to give town more power to get it passed, so i have to throw in like “Tracker” which does little in upping actual power. It just adds something else to the game.

I’m willing to go Rogers instead of Crimson.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Mister Rogers

Let’s keep all the PR’s alive for now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not counting Neighbor there.

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Actually, you think Crimson thought scumhim was done for the realized he had a chance?

[Flavor Leaf]

I could see it. Saudade was in my lynch pool too, I just like Performers posting and was willing to give that time to see if he was town.

Rogers or Crimson. We need to make some moves.

VOTE: Crimson

Assuming we just go here.

Also, if Crimson was town, i feel this would be easier to have go through.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh damn. Missed a page. Thought I only missed 4 posts.

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Oh damn. Missed a page. Thought I only missed 4 posts.

Have u noticed I said we could cop u a couple of times

I mean, sure. I’m probably the most likely to die, though, unless scum is outright terrified of Krazy.

Krazy/Worst are more mislynchable than me right now, and Rogers is making sure that the claims are discredited.

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Oh damn. Missed a page. Thought I only missed 4 posts.

Have u noticed I said we could cop u a couple of times

I mean, sure. I’m probably the most likely to die, though, unless scum is outright terrified of Krazy.

Krazy/Worst are more mislynchable than me right now, and Rogers is making sure that the claims are discredited.

I just want to make sure that everyone knows that so far there are no fully confirmed claims. Obviously Mason/Neighbor claims are a bit of a reach for scum but we cannot use unconfirmed claims to WIFOM setup spec. I am not sure if anyone has heard me about this or not.

From your perspective, sure. Not others.

[Flavor Leaf]

You can put him to L-1 now, Sash.

I think that’s acceptable.

[Flavor Leaf]

Someone go over what the deal with Naomi-Tan is? I’m mildly concerned by her not really having been present since I entered the game

On VLA-

[Flavor Leaf]

I am pretty sure the driving force was FL's WIFOM setup speculation which fueled thast wagon before he jumped on it.

To be fair, I was on it way earlier too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Someone hammer so we don’t get a no lynch.

The fact that we’re having this much trouble this close to deadline shows that it’s scum.

We have masons, and someone who was on there before doc claim that went on VLA.

Unless you think the other 3 on the wagon, which I don’t, are scum team, there’s zero reason this should be stalling

[Flavor Leaf]

Get off NM.

1) Light Ethos made a lot of sense.

2) I actually don’t dislike the gunsmith on town, HOWEVER, it does also make sense as scum, I’ll give it that, but it gets fake guilties on the vig and the cop.

3) Man, my Sasha read was correct. I understand the kill shot there, though. @KRAZY - that dead thread gonna be fun, huh?

[Flavor Leaf]

Rogers is town for that defense of Crimson. Gamma town for his push right now. Naomi town for her push of Crimson.

[Flavor Leaf]

Saudade was pushing Worst and Sasha hard. At one point, he was pushing Worst, Sasha, and Krazy. Krazy and Sasha flipped town. I don’t necessarily think Saud and Worst were buddies, but Saudade was pushing both Sasha and Worst hard, but only pushing Sasha to lynch, really.

I think Saudade slot is scum over Ducky slot.

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Mixed in with Performer trying not to have Crimson lynched yet went on anyways.

@Performer - I understand why you would do that from a townie mindset as well, but I could see it a second projection, then you realized it was going to go through so a bus happened.

I don’t think you did any misplay. I actually think it was the correct play. I just feel like that’s what happened.

[Flavor Leaf]

Btw none of us needed a "GS" to tell us that LE didn't have a gun. We allready knew that!

I actually think that was one of the best possible gunsmith targets, especially after the hammer.

[Flavor Leaf]

Even if we don’t believe NM is town, I think we should have him have at least one more gunsmith shot.

Mafia is proven not to have a roleblocker since both the vig shot, and the gunsmith went through.

Let’s not lynch NM today.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it’s Performer and one of Profii/Gamma/NM.

[Flavor Leaf]

Looks like you agree to a certain extent, Rogers.

VOTE: Performer

I think I want another gunsmith check. We should have NM check Gamma tonight, and then see from there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Tomorrow we can lynch NM, and if he’s town, we have multiple clears, if he’s scum, we have an idea of where scum will be.

It’s worth it for those potential town clears. Scum might even have to kill NM. Because if they get a second investigative and NM is town, that’s essentially a second set of masons.


However, we can’t throw out the potential for a Mafia Doctor, especially since Crimson claimed it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn, that makes me think Profii/Performer

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn, Profii. That was scummy. Right after I went for Performer you did the exact only other option that could potentially get you two lynched in NM/Gamma

[Flavor Leaf]

Get off NM.

1) Light Ethos made a lot of sense.

2) I actually don’t dislike the gunsmith on town, HOWEVER, it does also make sense as scum, I’ll give it that, but it gets fake guilties on the vig and the cop.

3) Man, my Sasha read was correct. I understand the kill shot there, though. @KRAZY - that dead thread gonna be fun, huh?

No, I didn't take issue with the target, it was the fact they used a random number generator to select it.

Sure, but it’s Not_Mafia. You don’t even know if that’s actually how he targeted or he just felt like saying that’s how he targeted. Regardless, that’s not AI at all, and if he actually did a randomizer, if anything, that leans towards him being town moreso than scum. He came in at the very end of the day, he probably had no idea where to actually go.

As scum, he would have a partner at least giving some decent suggestions.

Light Ethos answer doesn’t really come from scum, I feel. He’s not out of the dog house yet, but enough to at least warrant lasting another day phase.

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2) I actually don’t dislike the gunsmith on town, HOWEVER, it does also make sense as scum, I’ll give it that, but it gets fake guilties on the vig and the cop.

i.e. it was meant to be a NEGATIVE UTILITY

This. Especially if there’s a mafia doctor.

Because of that, even if NM ended up being scum, don’t necessarily count out LE. However, I’m going to put LE in the town side until things show us we shouldn’t.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you saying we have like two investigative roles but one's pretty useful while the other more hurts than helps?

This is funny because he more or less said this in the mason thread, so I see this as a sarcastic little quip.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you saying we have like two investigative roles but one's pretty useful while the other more hurts than helps?

imagine if the town gunsmith found Krazy

then Rogers hard defends him due to hood pocketing for whatever was said in there.

could look really bad for those 2 if the town jumped to a conclusion

Sasha would have also had a gun to a gunsmith. So it was even more than that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Rogers is town for that defense of Crimson. Gamma town for his push right now. Naomi town for her push of Crimson.

According to this, you think it's Performer and ... Profii???

I mean, you've declared Rogers, Gamma, Naomi, Light & N_M as town reads. You and Creature are Masons, and I don't think you would consider me for scum today!! (Light also has no gun, so if N_M is town then Light is most likely mechanically cleared).

P-edit: Yes. The Gunsmith outs 2 PRs at the very least, if not leading to the lynch of one of them out of paranoia.

Yeah, Performer/Profii is probably my leading suspected team.

Performer/Profii
Performer/Gamma
Performer/NM
NM/Profii
Gamma/Light Ethos
NM/Light Ethos

Is me ranking what I think the team is. I feel the team is definitely one of these.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually take out Gamma/LE. I’m silly. Gamma wouldn’t have tried to take him out before NM claimed in the case of LE being a scum doc.

And Gamma being a scum doc wouldn’t want to take it NM.

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Cop and gunsmith both being town can make sense too, because it lets you double check those fake guilties, which we already knew we had.

Scum Gunsmith DOES make sense, however.

I actually wouldn’t mind mass claiming this day phase, to be honest. We already have 3 outed claims. I think we could POE some stuff down with a mass claim.