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We have no strong town reads. A no lynch is just pissing info into the wind. Nero knows this, and thats why he cant talk about the benefits of no lynching. He can only use negatives and fearmongering to justify his choice.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Vork is scumbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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And besides. You dont have to convince me. How about dp or dunn - do they want nero?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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I want to remind you that its only day 3, and nero is pissing himself in terror at the kpd ratio because 1 extra player died.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Spoiler: Day01
Spoiler: Day02beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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This is twice nero was the countwagon.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 2627, Vorkuta wrote:VOTE: nom x3
Failed to get your shoshin mislynch so you killed her because the cop claim was too heavy to pass up
He's all over the place, and frankly it does look like a bus to sit on urap when the wagon stalls around and he's so jittery with his vote.In post 2741, Vorkuta wrote:
I have no idea how "lynching teacher first is worse"In post 2738, NerfedBuJ wrote:and there is little value in lynching teacher first but some value in lynching urap first to kill any lingering influence he might have
But I can do VOTE: urap2beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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ugh
a bluff?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Scum driven kills are not a safety netbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Okay. Ill take it to a lynch todaybeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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The real shame is that if you are town youre killing our chances of successfully killing a scumbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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I advise against a MC, but I also think most of the real power is spent.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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We dont argue 'why not'.In post 3976, Nero Cain wrote:Why the rush?
We argue 'why'
Why not taste the apple from the tree of knowledge?
Why not skip work/school?
Why not take inaction today?
Why not No lynchbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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The No Lynch is the deviation from the norm. It is, in the vast majority of cases, suboptimal. So suboptimal that it faces heavy resistance even when called for.
giving scum free kills to satisfy a numbers game -and kill town momentum while you do it- is suboptimal.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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VOTE: salad
yea. thats 4 on salad now.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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VOTE: unvote
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Im not ready to end the daybeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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A town quickhammer isnt off the table here, I feel.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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If you think I am scum why am i worried about a quickhammer?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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nah. have fun actually doing something worthwhile today thobeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Dunn, I dont quite get why you sr skitter. i also havent read your iso, but Im looking more for things like 'gut' 'the switch from x to y' and things like that.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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And ,so we dont need to do this later, I TR nero for his very gradual SR on me, and reluctance to do this sooner. if nothing elsebeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Because youre no longer wasting our time trying to nl? By policy I should eventually get PLed anyway, so now or tomorrow?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Im going to iso urap and look for some kind of assocations with people.
like vork. and skitter [at your behest]. and DP/Dunn. And salad.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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like I said. Good luck with that 1v1beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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If somebody thinks this nero is scum
[and I do think scum nero is more likely to ask so many unindicative questions to try to justify a push] then we should talk about it.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 4004, pisskop wrote:and I do think scum nero is more likely to ask so many unindicative questions to try to justify a pushbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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If I told you that sometimes I fake reads and interactions to gauge responses and incite/manipulate reads would that suffice?
A better gauge of my intentions than just what I say is what I vote, and a better gauge than that is how often I mention them/how in depth I go.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Look at how I treat vork versus nom.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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And nom versus dpbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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GL:HFbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 66, u r a person 2 wrote:I think Cinn is probably townIn post 68, u r a person 2 wrote:You should vote where your heart moves you to vote. When the time is right, and the person is right, you'll just know.
Do you think cinn is scum?In post 70, u r a person 2 wrote:lol ok
how about why do you think cinn is scum?
I think scum!cinn likely has their claim figured out before making it early d1
This convo right here is why nero isnt scumIn post 73, u r a person 2 wrote:
yeah, in a nutshell. i don't think that's a small thing tho?In post 72, Nero Cain wrote:but you're acting like cinn is experienced and he's not.
your whole reason for thinking Cinn is b/c you think he'd have his claim in order right?
like experienced or not I think I'd dot my t's and cross my i's
no?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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???
I feel like this is deja vubeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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nvm I guess I made a note of it but never posted it here.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 172, u r a person 2 wrote:
VOTE: nomIn post 171, nomnomnom wrote:
That's how it came across to me. I just didn't recognize your towngame.In post 170, u r a person 2 wrote:@nom I don't think I played a passive opening to this game. What are you talking about?
show work please
Likewise, a defensive and WKy player would challenge small pushes in his direction so early.In post 197, u r a person 2 wrote:
I just want you to show me how I've played a passive gameIn post 173, nomnomnom wrote:I am voting scum dude what are you on aboutbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Oh, and this is a setup for shading nom if he does flipIn post 321, u r a person 2 wrote:
you're really not very good at using meta.In post 243, nomnomnom wrote:I mean that's just URAP though.
The only times I've seen pushing something really hard is when he thinks something is 100% bullshit otherwise he tends to ask a lot of questions and make lengthy posts.
UNVOTE: for reasonsbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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The hope is that people wont put it in context and just see the 'for raisins' part.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Sneaky scumbucket is snakeybeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 414, u r a person 2 wrote:
Vorkuta's push was bad, but I don't see scum motivation there?In post 356, skitter30 wrote:? i don't really see much townie in vork's push there .... ?In post 416, u r a person 2 wrote:
I quoted this one because I was making the comparison to the greeting tell, but I should have quoted the second one as well, yes.In post 356, skitter30 wrote:??? why is this a scummy entrance ....?
if anything i can see the post about timezones to be a scummy entrance of this kind but why is *this* post scummy?In post 418, u r a person 2 wrote:
flipping on reads is a town tell, yea? especially abruptly and in the absence of an obvious catalystIn post 363, skitter30 wrote:so the fact that you're townreading things i find scummy is beginning to concern me
This string doesnt clear skitter. But I think it does help? Its shallow discussion across several players. But, look at the last post. While urap tries to make it about Vork, its actually about teacher when read in context. urap is defending vork hard. The question is whether he knows much about vork's play.In post 421, u r a person 2 wrote:
that's part of my town read on vorkuta, ya =PIn post 387, skitter30 wrote:never played with him, idk his meta
good tone, some of his posts just feel really townie, don't think scum decide to lolwagon someone they'd just declared a scumread; they're usually more conscientious about this sort of thingbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Whether youre a paranoid shaking jesus or not, consider that fmpov he's already used cinnslot to progress the gamestate. Here, he isnt using vork in the same way.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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This looks like unabashed WKing to me. Town or scum, vork was WKedbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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He's now using vork explicitly as a means to push buj.In post 644, u r a person 2 wrote:
the bujaber vote was good and more people should be voting there!In post 465, Detective Pikachu wrote:I dislike nom's early iso but the vork+ stuff makes me think she's more null than null-scum, the vork unvote revote would almost make me lean town if I didn't dislike the bujaber vote from earlier
why are they town?
The question is if townvork would recognize he is being pocketed, and who else should have seen it.
This is the first time DP and urap have directly interacted, afaik. Missing the more important half of the game means I wont catch this shit.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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The other question is if urap hard defends buddies. And he is defending. he isnt attacking people who sr them.
he questions why, but then uses parallels from vorks iso to try to push townvork/scum[buj].
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thatseeing myself type it, is slimely afbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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VOTE: vorkbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Hot Take:
- urap defends vork like its a White Flag game because vork get murderated before lylo due to his playstyle
- urap and vork are teamed with another, less sociable or more lurky player.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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IIn post 646, u r a person 2 wrote:I think it reads kinda tmi actually. the tone is too confident and i don't like the talking about pl'ing later
i mean, if you really think it out, and buj is presenting as if he has, it's bad play for town to pl the miller claim right before lylo consistently. Ideally, town wants there to be some chance that they won't do that so that scum will consider night killing the miller if it's real. So I'd expect a player like buj to assert a town read and then wait until the day before lylo or whatever to push a PL if scum hasn't killed there.want tosay that this implies an attempt to sway a player, not theatre.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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again. Ditto to above postIn post 653, u r a person 2 wrote:This whole line of questioning seems bad. What are you trying to gain from this?
Assuming (because I'm not the one who is going to do the meta fact checking lol), that vorkuta linked a game where town fake claimed miller in his links for games where scum had fake claimed miller
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Such as?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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A prod at skitter, but not really an association.In post 660, u r a person 2 wrote:
If Vorkuta is town, would you say that makes skitter town?In post 564, nomnomnom wrote:I guess I'll give Vork this point, it's that people only followed Vork's case when Skitter appeared in the thread and made that case despite me presenting the exact same arguments. THAT is strange.
Like, is it some combination of scum and town following town skitter? or do you think the same thing happens in a world with scum!skitter?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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fair enough. Im glad I didnt assume you were upset I called vork's playstyle loose.In post 4038, nomnomnom wrote:Urap flipped goon.
Defending a partner could mean they're a scum PR.
That feels like a logical approach. That's also that approach that made me guess urap was a bus mostly and that scums were ready to bus him. And that's why I have doubts about Skitter.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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This is about the first time salad is mentioned at all . . .In post 664, u r a person 2 wrote:saladman reads are pretty townie overall i think
and I want to add that atp in the game I more or less agree based on my previous read.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 663, u r a person 2 wrote:
cinn is town because vorkuta made a reachy scum case against them?In post 606, Saladman27 wrote:Cinn was townlean because of the whole vorkuta reaching fiasco
You see this? This is where I would have known for sure that vork was a bud. He just crossed that line.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Spoiler: skitter and urap over 12 minutes
I have a small issue talking so in depth here, because when people realize Im not stupid and can put in the work they always expect me to do it :\beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Lets start basic:
They begin their convos with half-committments [there's a grammatical word for this thing], like 'I guess' and 'I mean'.
'ok', and the like. 'should I tr you'. Soft ball questions, banal agreements that confirm that something strictly happened.
And they both part ways. but they made special time here.
Id be interested in knowing who Skit is pushing here, because their talk is ultimately inconsequential and about a lurker.
Yea, this looks like it was made to cross-talk without a PT. not going to lie. but not committed to a skit sr yet.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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The signals are all there. Skit opens vague and softs a question, they talk across several wavelengths, and then they clearly state they are leaving their computer.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Shit. Skit you need to get in here and tell me a story.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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I mean, there's also this. This is an extension of their earlier convo, and I'm not sure if its needed for ScumTheatreIn post 886, u r a person 2 wrote:
I just grabbed the first related quote I found but this whole argument I found suspect. Skitter have disagreed plenty on reads, and I sometimes think she is a bit stubborn holding onto her reads, so I don't think this is necessarily out of her town rangeIn post 417, skitter30 wrote:i mean idk if i inherently see scum motivation (ie why go out to kill the miller claim? idk) but like ... he was pushing the miler claim from the angle that it's scum fake-claiming and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that
but it doesn't make sense to me to argue that vorkuta should have considered that cinn could have been town fake claiming
while also saying that it's implausible that cinn would fake claim as scum
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In post 4042, nomnomnom wrote:I feel like the lack of interaction with DP/Urap is much more worthy to look at, honestly. Scums often betray themselves when they avoid talking to each other, or about each other.
Well. They do have a few. One about hydraing together even.In post 1136, u r a person 2 wrote:this is a townie post
A scum DP is possible.
Dunn, by comparison, is much less mentioned. But Id expect scum to have some interactions rather than a conspicuous lack.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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