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Not sure about that.

I don't know if I've ever seen a normal game with scum loyal neighborizer.

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I don't think nsg is going to recycle something like that so soon tbh.

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I am kinda tired with this game, seriously. I thought claiming today would have made things easier, not harder, but apparently i have irredeemable playstyle differences and scumhunt strategies than the majority of you guys do. The setup also goes against my odds, and i guess from your pov it makes sense if i were lying today, even if i have the perfect VCA. These things are more important to me than they are to you.

Personally, i would have never lynched garmr, i would probably have shot menalque in d1 eod if i was a dayvig, i would probably have already hammered pp today if the neighborizer thing didn't came up. I like to tryhard, i hate pointless snarkitude, i am emotional, impulsive, and childish at times. But i still think i am correct.

It's sad when town decides to believe scum over -what is, imo- good reasoning, but that's also what happened when i was scum in the game in my sig so i guess i'm eating some of my own medicine. I have nothing to add, i'm convinced of my own theory and unless something new happens i'm only lynching in {Farkran, Flubber} today, with preference to flubber.

I guess AtE is your last resource

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OH MY GOD I THINK I TOWNREAD FARK

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The list goes on, but i mean look at that power force. 2 masons + 1 even-night nea + 1 named townie is shit compared to those examples.

None of those were 2 scum + traitor though.

You're right. That was:

Voyeur + UB + 2-shot Commuter + Tracker/Follower vs. Traitor Rolecop + Loyal Neighborizer + Goon

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It's almost as if you weren't the reviewer for this game either...

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Even though the designer was the same person...

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<tinfoilhat>What if there are only two scum?</tinfoilhat>

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Joking of course, please don't grab onto that Fark.

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It's hard, Menal. I really want to take them...

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I'm comfortable lynching in {Fark, Rabid, PP} today.

It's cool I guess. FL already broke my no mislynch streak for the year. Somewhat disappointed though.

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Yeah...

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and probably neither did the killer, who didn't want to take the chance.

Then by your reasoning, I can't be scum. Thanks

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I'd rather kill of experienced forum mafia S_S who's been around the entire game than live chat mafia experienced january who would have to catch up.

read: I'm not completely unfamiliar with her.

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Also pingüino do you fancy plopping a vote on flubs

I mean - I'm not opposed to lynching him today, but I still am mulling over Fark and he's on the wagon rn. I also still think both scum were on sheep.

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Re: Egix and scum driving the bus - hi, that’s how I had the second/third highest scum win rate in Newbie Matrix 6
Re: Ben - sheep voting and another gross hammer by Ben
Re: Flub - if one scum was off the wagon (not required or guaranteed) it has to be him from my POV
Re: Rabid - he hasn’t really done much like I would have expected from Percy. Predecessor rep out was scummyish
Re: Fark - I’ve posted and his switching to sheep doesn’t actually do much to convince me otherwise given he’s leading the game rn with Menal

Because most of my suspects are on the wagon and with both on the wagon it creates the one-off one-on wifom lining up two successive lynches before going "oops, I was wrong."

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It's not like sheep was strongly tr'd so his loss wasn't a huge blow to the scum team.

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meta-based

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Happy Thanksgiving.

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No one has counterclaimed me by claiming a town power role. If i were lying, town power roles cannot be limited to 2 masons and 1 even-night neap as that would be too weak.

Your role with 2 masons and a Neap nerfs the Neap without adding town power making the setup even weaker for town.

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I'm quite confident Flubber isn't scum.

Neither am I so if you're confident he's not welcome to my two-on party.

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I'm quite confident Flubber isn't scum.

Neither am I so if you're confident he's not welcome to my two-on party.

I thought you had me as scum?

I really don't get how you thought that given that I said you are only scum if there was one off the wagon and I've been pretty hard stating that I think two were on the wagon pretty much all day................

(added ellipses for emphasis)

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L-1 even though vc is two posts above.

Looking at you ben.

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That's what caused you to get cold feet?

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He's V/LA

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Spoiler:

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What...your vote on Rabid?

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That really reeks of schoolyard retort but sure.

Still happy to lynch in my bottom brackets, though obviously I prefer not Flubs because I disagree with Scumkran. Farkscum? idk.

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{Menal, Bob}
{Flubbernugget}
{Egix, Farkran, Rabid, Ben}

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You caught me before my morning coffee there Menal...

My response should have been "I'll share when you share."

Damn...

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I changed mine out of spite.

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Pretty sure Titus doesn't catch up in games she replaces into.

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I don’t think people are ignoring your reads...

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A lot of people are ignoring my reads.

If it's any solace, I am quite fine lynching in your lynchpool today.

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You say you believe there is a double bus, but this is also a gutread. There's no reasoning backing that up.

I've actually given my reasoning twice now. I don't really care if you didn't take the time to read it, or disagree with it. So...

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Aside from setup spec though, VCA says that PP was inside the d1 mislynch wagon on garmr and outside the d2 lynch against scum (sheepsaysmeep).

Because....we were either no lynching or lynching your preferred lynch - mason!SS.
Because I sure as hell wasn't voting with you and Egix (scumreads).

Hey, look! Reasoning.

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tbf, I brought it up first and he latched on to it.

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@Titus

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tbf, I brought it up first and he latched on to it.

He didn't tell you it was outlandish and he was more likely a named townie?

Hmm....

Mafia Loyal Neighborizer + Traitor?

This actually makes a lot of sense. I'm not accustomed to all the role modifiers, wouldn't have thought of loyal+traitor.

If this is true, it may put the game in a whole different perspective. Egix could most definitely be the traitor scum in this scenario.

Or ben. Hmmm...

I have taken a look at This game setup thread featuring a loyal neighborizer + traitor.

3 town PRs are considered low power for the town, so i think in our case 2 masons + 1 nea + 1 backup neighborizer would make sense for balance if put against goon + loyal nbrz + traitor PR.

Now, given that

the traitor is endgamed

if the two mafia are killed, i believe we should try and aim at people with associative potential with sheeps as well as high individual scum equity. This also lowers the chances of a bus (same as a whiteflag setup) and lowers even more the chances of a double bus (traitor knows who his partners are).

This... once again means PP to me, but i liked him pointing out the possibility of loyal nbrz + traitor. There could be scum intent in that if coming from the traitor himself (crumbing to be recruited), however...

1. Wifom is king about the lowered bus chance in this kind of setup, but that is true only once we are aware of it (PP pointing it out would make himself scummier, and it only makes sense as a VERY heavy wifom-based move to gain towncred)
2. I wouldn't want to lynch the traitor today

scum!flubber is now much more plausible than i thought, but i don't think he's aligned with PP in this scenario, which means there's -probably- exactly one busser on the sheeps wagon.

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I forgot about Ben. Hey, remember when he last posted 6 days ago?

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I'm fine with that. Flubber needs to go first though. After he flips, you get PP in case of town!flub, and titus in case of scum!flub.

Hey, remember my reasoning for two on? I do.

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Farkran now things I'm town?

Still fine with lynching Farkran so long as I get to be the hammer.

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Don't be lazy.

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Nope.

ISO - ctrl+F.

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But it does leave the possibility that you're bluffing about wanting to be lynched.

He shouldn't want to be lynched as either alignment. If he flips town, it's not going to help us (aside from confirmation of his role, so read: much).

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He shouldn't want to be lynched as either alignment. If he flips town, it's not going to help us (aside from confirmation of his role, so read: much).

Baton Pass Suicide Squad begs to differ, lol. There are situations where it can be the right move, or at least a reasonable move.

I was speaking about this game specifically. His thought process is that we'll sheep his reads if he flips town, and that almost never happens (and I doubt it would happen here).

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Also...that was quite interesting to see three people self-vote to stay out of lylo...

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Maybe. Ultimate point is that I don't really believe he wants to get lynched.

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Ready to hear Menal's solve...

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Finally, someone agrees with me on Egix.

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Yeah - and he was voting you and using it to shade you. If anything, that's distancing.

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And he really hasn't picked up traction. Titus's recent vote was the first vote on him from anyone other than me, iirc.

I want the hammer. I've said that.

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and specifically because of pp's 180 on him when he quickhammered scum, as opposed to pp townleaning ben when he quickhammered town.

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I will give you that it may have been about a 90 degree.

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VOTE: egix

\o/

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You realize you are making me paranoid, Titus...

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scum!Penguin has never been off a scum lynch. You will find one game where I repped in in 2016 and was not, but other than that...not.

So, that alone is a bad reason to scum read me. Especially since - as I said - I scumread Egix and Fark and would not vote with them.

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And, those are...

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I don't really scum read them or town read them. They've been a low impact player, which makes no sense to lynch given there are much better candidates for lynch in terms of scum equity and game state

Then vote Farkran.

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Because...double bus...for the

time.

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Why scum!fark would NOT lynch town!pp today in favor of claiming and turning his eye on flubber?

Because you claimed after conf!town voted you thinking it would get you conf!town status - which you miscalculated - and it doesn't matter to scum!fark which one of Flub/PP goes first since your follow up will be "It's the other one off the wagon!!!"

There - I answered for you Flubbs.

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I wonder if tchill is hanging out in the dead thread getting pissed at the way I lock into my own ways again lmao

He's probably getting pissed at several people, myself included. It's cool.

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Why scum!fark would NOT lynch town!pp today in favor of claiming and turning his eye on flubber?

Because you claimed after conf!town voted you thinking it would get you conf!town status - which you miscalculated - and it doesn't matter to scum!fark which one of Flub/PP goes first since your follow up will be "It's the other one off the wagon!!!"

There - I answered for you Flubbs.

You answer for other people but not for yourself

lol

Man, if you are town, you are bad at this game. Really. You literally did everything in your power to play against town wincon.

VOTE: pp

i'll just stop tryharding, it's not worth it

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Um...yes they do. Weak town pr claim that could be explained making it to my mylo/Lylo. That’s what’s called a deepwolf.

Nice try.

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I'm proud of you.

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Oh, boy. This will be fun.

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I was more referencing your SS comment.

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I thought she was done...

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If Farkran is a viable wagon I’m most comfortable with that so far where I am (which is woefully behind). I’m worried with 2 days I won’t be able to catch up before deadline but I’m trying.

It is. I'm fine with Egix or Fark.

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Well - Amrun prefers you and Bob thinks I'm town sooooo

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Also, I on record as saying I would vote you as is Titus...sooo

Not really comparable wagons.

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Yes, please keep insulting me.

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Yes, the guy who would have mislynched a mason and refuses to listen to anyone who isn't him.

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Great sample size there.

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Yes, yes, Menal. We can not.

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LUV/January

Dead.

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That's why I made my comment yesterday when you said he was buddying and he laughed.

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You aren't agreeing with him so you are playing badly.

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Yes, yes, Menal. We can not.

Eh?

I assumed you would pop in with "can we not" because of the pointless back-and-forth between me and Fark so I was pre-agreeing with you.

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Seems like that would be a variant of a fairly common AtE defense and not stooping low

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ffs

VOTE: Titus

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tfw Fark indirectly calls your read good

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Rabid/Titus has been in my pool all day + S_S wants to lynch + we have ~1 day left and little/no support for Fark or Egix with Menal switching off Egix and not wanting Fark + now SS no longer wanting Fark.

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I’m in the NRG too.

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I’m in the NRG too.

Yes but you’re not conf!town pingüino

Go on tho: do you think it makes sense for balance?

Dunno without mafia roles. I still don’t think Fark’s does. 2 clears/Nerfed invest/protective vs. some sort of mad pr would make sense and explain a bus on the goon but only if the maf!pr was in danger at some point.

That said, I don’t like the claim or the claimed actions at all and it doesn’t feel real.

Side note: find it funny you care about setup spec now given previous comments.

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Don’t believe it. Rabid doesn’t doc S_S N1 and then open up with a vote on him D2.

Unfortunately/Fortunately, I think this spews Farkran town.

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Didn't see your post, Menal, but mirroring conf!towns you to me so yay!

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Hey, remember when that was an all town wagon on sheep. I do.

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I don't think the setup is just Mason/Mason/Nea, but I want to see Titus' flip before I really go with that.

You do raise a good point, and what I said before about scum lining up the off wagon people also stands.

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Don't disagree.

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Yeah - Rabid's start with scum reading Egix -> quickly to a townread and a defense when Menal called Rabid/Egix as 2/3 scum in a double bus scenario + Egix's eagerness to follow Fark's scum off wagon plan + that L^howman quote when Titus started getting voted...probably scum.

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tfw S_S will never townread you

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I'm not town when I'm off a scum lynch/I'm not town when I'm on a scum lynch

Can't win with you people.

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Thank you, Menal.

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I mean - that's a factual statement. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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It's an all town wagon. We should be looking for scum off the wagon.

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Thank you, Menal.

hurdur - no this is my typical scum play Menalque...I was just trying to hide it from everyone but your astute questioning caught me.

Can we just run 123456789 to 8 to confirm and then lynch Menalque because he annoys me?

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It's an all town wagon. We should be looking for scum off the wagon.

Titus selfhammered

It's almost like I knew that and was taking a jab at someone.

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Still probably just win lynching in {PP, Egix, bob}?

Fark, who did you neighborize?

Are you fucking kidding me?

This game is ridiculous.

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tfw I agree with Fark over S_S

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Oh - actually S_S has egix in his pool.

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Oh, and Fark is being a tunnelly egotist who refuses to revaluate when they were proven wrong. Yeah, scratch my previous comment.

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Probably due to shock that he actually has me in there.

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mine

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I'll vote Egix as always.

I think it's ridiculous that you and S_S think that I, as scum, eliminate my only path to a win.

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Less so you since I expect better of S_S.

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You did now.

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Because VCA, interactions with sheeps, rabid has been soft-defending him earlier in the game, but ultimately my main reason is that i can't believe PP could be so bad if he is town

Stop being an ass. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them bad town, Mr. Rabid is never scum and sheep was an all town wagon.

I'll vote Egix as always.

I think it's ridiculous that you and S_S think that I, as scum, eliminate my only path to a win.

I'm super torn on penguin being scum

Hi, I have fairly good winrate as scum. Regardless of how bad you think I am as town, I don't eliminate my only slim possibility of pulling out a scum win by killing Menal last night. I would have had to kill Mr. Derptunnel first. Menal would have been a good lylo friend given activity and strenght of townread on me.

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Uh...I don’t like being mislynched for dumb reasons (or at all really).

Like - I know I’m town. That’s the only thing I know for sure - well and that SS is a mason. Why would I be ok with it?

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This is so TvT it hurts.

He's been saying that/we've been going back and forth for most of the game - why are you just now bringing that up/pointing that out?

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I have a great plan that will ensure a win guys. Let’s completely ignore the reads of the guy who was killed last night because he was certainly not killed because scum was concerned with them or how he would push them. In fact, we should just go ahead and ignore everything that happened yesterday and go back to our reads at the beginning. Yesterday was useless and meant nothing.

VOTE: flubber

Merry Christmas, Fark.

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VOTE: Egix

Not sure why you couldn’t have done that though.

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Never give up hope.

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And yet, you aren't applying it to me.

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^
also good point

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And yet, you aren't applying it to me.

Menalque was 75% on you being town which was actually, like, worse than random, if that's what you're referring to.

Like I'm sure he wasn't thinking about it that hard but being 75% sure someone is town when you're looking for one scum in five people is actually a mild scumlean.

...or he specifically said that he thought I was town, and I would be a complete moron to keep tunnel!Fark alive over him if I wanted to survive today. But ok.

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So, what do you make of being left alive again when you hard townlocked flubber during d3?

Fear of a protective.

Agree with Fark's 3015 wrt protective

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Titus lynch took like 12 hours...

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Wait I just realized something potentially relevant myself, when I went to link that.

Rabid claimed not-neighborizer before he saw Farkran's claim.

?

If anyone is neighborizer or has been neighborized, please tell me who the neighborizer is.

I'm not, and I haven't been neighborized. Are you claiming the masons were also Informed?

I still need to read fark's scum game, and that's not happening until after Thanksgiving. But regarding the claim - I don't see much town motivation for making the claim, but I don't see

any

scum motivation to do so. I don't buy that a vote from S_S put scum!fark in such a panic that he invented that as a fakeclaim, or outed his role if he's scum. IMO the claim is slightly townie. Also, the fact that we have no evidence of a neighborhood lends some credence to the loyal/traitor theory. I don't recall ever seeing someone draw neighborizer and then just not use it. It's usually pretty useless, but still people like to use their powers.

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Huh...

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He was talking about shitposting in the Discussion-side forums, not here.

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VOTE: Egix

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You're no fun.

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I'm much more worried about PP immediately sheeping SS when the tables turned, or flubber not committing to his own scumread.

Yeah - because I didn't have ofrhzslot in my pool since ofrhz's rep out...

Btw - sheeped Menal (that's for you, Menal), not SS.

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So are you saying the fact that fark is alive means you cant possibly be scum.

Yes.

Yet doesnt the very mentioning of that slightly undermine that very stance

No.

As how do we know that you didnt kill fark as it would one look very bad for you if you did

Fark's a claimed PR that is pseudoconfirmed. It's easier for me to explain away a kill that points to me than to deal with a tunnelly!alive Fark.

All you would need to do is ensure the lynch of another player.

After killing a townleader that thought I was town while leaving the tunnelguy alive. Yeah - great plan. Have to survive step 1 to make it to step 2.

But the question is does a scum you simply kill smart instead of menal.

You mean - kill the confirmed mason that scumreads me over the townie that town reads me...idk, you tell me.

But what would you do about menal and fark.

Menal probably saves me from being lynched today then I kill fark.

But that leaves you going into 3 player lylo. and i cant see you trying to take menal into that after he has just burned through his poe and struck a miss.

I'd take Menal - who townread me - into 3p Lylo over tunnel almost everyone else here. It would be my only viable path to a win even if not guarunteed.

You even jumped on it without hesitation.

Sure did. Rabid's been in my pool since ofrhz rep out. I've explained this vote to you already.

At that satge you might not want a rapid lynch but you assure you end up in good position even if it does go through.

Really? Do I seem like I'm in a good position to you right now?

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@mod: V/LA through Sunday

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VOTE: Flubber

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I’ll own my mistake if I was wrong about the sheep wagon.

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UNVOTE:

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I mean - FMPOV it has to be Flubber or Bob unless design is whack. From Flubber’s it has to be the same.

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I don’t have a good reason and he’s in my POE (obv).

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I’ll own my mistake if I was wrong about the sheep wagon.

Was it a mistake or your only option?

What?

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Wow - Flubbs turned up the scumminess there.

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Anything else S_S?

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Oooh - I haven't done this is forever!

Intent To Hammer Flubbernugget

Please claim.

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Yeah...ok.

S_S, please confirm.

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Nice personal insult there. Just want to be thorough - assumed from the fact he asked for you to claim support it.

Town doesn't have 2 masons/backup mason/Neapolitan/Backup Neighborizer.

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S_S has been hard townreading flubber and been transparent about it, and tried to direct us away from Flubber on to you.

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Chill out.

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VOTE: Bob

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Fark is my only confident townread. Bob confirmed his action so he'd have to be multitasking which just... doesn't make a lick of design sense.

Multitasking makes more sense if there are two masons + a backup mason. Backup clear in Mylo/Lylo for town, and scum isn't able to be guiltied on non-PR usage if they are the last one alive and had to claim or were outed by the Nea.

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It's 4 potential clears (Even-Night Nea) Day 3, but Masons aren't outed to begin with and a backup mason + 2 Masons isn't the same thing as 3 masons. Nea doesn't get guilties either.

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But, like I said, that mix of PRs doesn't seem right and multitasking makes more sense now.

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Mason/Mason/Backup Mason/Even-Night Neapolitan vs. Goon/Neighborizer/Multitasking Backup Neighborizer

Farkran - did you Neighborize last night, and if not, why not?

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I’m down to two people fmpov. Makes more sense now.

Care to answer?

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Mason/Mason/Backup Mason/Even-Night Neapolitan/Backup Neighborizer vs. Goon/Neighborizer/?

P-edit

Yeah. Figured that was going to be the response.

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Don’t give Fark a free pass tomorrow, but Fark/Bob is better than PP/Fark since Fark will have to explain how he was wrong and why Bob is now scum.

Let me know when you’re ready S_S.

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its literally in the post you quoted.

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how he was wrong and why Bob is now scum.

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I was speaking about tomorrow after I have been lynched as I said "...tomorrow..."

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By the way @SS, can you explain to me why you waited to out this today, if flubber is telling the truth?

You're not 100% cleared since technically it's possible you could be multitasking so it would have been nice to have you killed tonight so we didn't have to worry about that, but it's not a huge deal. If you're scum we lost this game to the mod putting in a bullshit multitasking modifier where it made no sense to have one.

Oi -

Fark is my only confident townread. Bob confirmed his action so he'd have to be multitasking which just... doesn't make a lick of design sense.

Multitasking makes more sense if there are two masons + a backup mason. Backup clear in Mylo/Lylo for town, and scum isn't able to be guiltied on non-PR usage if they are the last one alive and had to claim or were outed by the Nea.

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*sigh*

My point is you'll be in a 1v1 with a townread instead of someone you were pushing as scum the entire game.

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Oh cool. We weren't talking or anything.

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VT.

Good luck, S_S.

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Flubber was on me smart guy.

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PP or bob today

Yep

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Well - that's new. I'm of the "if it looks like a vote it counts as a vote" ruleset era.

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If outed by the neapolitan there are plenty of roles scum can claim that aren't confirmable like doctor.

That work with this setup and alive in lylo that isn't suspect?

[PenguinPower]

Meh - it's probably just Bob.

[PenguinPower]

Right - except that S_S and Flubber aren't going to support your lynch off of setup design and I'm not 100% it's Bob. I'm like 60/40 right now because I think you've been really scummy.

I don't really care at this point, because I'm not going to have to make the decision between you two.

p-edit

Whatever. I'm done with you.

[PenguinPower]

S_S, anything else or can I hammer?

[PenguinPower]

Real talk: I do respect your play from what I have seen. However, I think you are overly arrogant and haven’t earned that yet.

[PenguinPower]

Oh, I’m not scum.

[PenguinPower]

Happy to talk more post game.

[PenguinPower]

Well - you and S_S work it out and let me know what you want to do.

[PenguinPower]

PP i suprised you thought you were hammered as you would know that a vote dont count unless in vote tags or bolded. Thus you would know that you were infact not hammered. Makes me think that you just spotted that flubber had done his vote properly and fearing he would simply fix his vote. You simply decided to act out. Though from my experiance of you, even if you had been hammered. This is exactly what you would do as scum. I still remember the last time you trolled the town. Last time you fooled me to thinking you were town. When in fact you were just scum trying to have little fun.

1.) That’s not actually true. I would have counted that under my rule set.
3.) What game are you referring to?

[PenguinPower]

I don’t panic btw. I do make mistakes.

[PenguinPower]

Town!PP would have never:

- be worried about being lynched, because he should consider himself in autowin mode
- be aware of that flubber misvote while not noticing the mod VC
- make up an act to claim VT once i voted him, as if he had been lynched. He would either have claimed BEFORE my vote, or he wouldn't fake being hammered.

It's evident that he didn't expect flubber being a backup mason, and he panicked. All his recent posts are about being desperate for survival and looking town, whereas town!him should just say "ok, i'm fine, lynch me and bob and we win regardless" - which is also demonstrated by his vote against bob a few pages ago.

You didn’t claim intent so why would I have claimed? I also wouldn’t say lynch me then bob because, again, I have low certainty you are town. That’s why I said not to be certain on town!you tomorrow after I flip.

I am willing to hammer once S_S and Flubber have worked out whatever they want to work out.

[PenguinPower]

I don’t remember that game, but trolling twilight sounds like something I would do. That’s different than trolling before your lynch which I don’t usually do.

[PenguinPower]

Wait you think I’m scum who thought I was lynched and was trolling by claiming VT? I would have trolled better than that, but yeah, I would do that.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: PenguinPower

Don’t let Farkran get a free pass tomorrow.

[PenguinPower]

I don’t hammer myself as scum there considering it doesn’t further my wincon to, ya know, lynch yourself as last scum.

[PenguinPower]

I’ve pretty transparent and pretty much said everything I have to say on Farkran slot. If you wanted to engage more about it, you could have asked directly instead of saying you were going to hammer if no one else had anything to say.

[PenguinPower]

Good news is you’ll have two days to read my ISO re: Farkran. I’m here for the next Fleisher minutes of mod doesn’t lock thread.

[PenguinPower]

I guess I can ask this. Why would you, as a mod or reviewer, put in a non-multitasking scum neighborizer and a multitasking scum backup neighborizer?

Why would you put in a Backup Mason that would allow a surprise auto win in 3p Lylo?

Multitasking Backup would allow the backup scum pr to true claim without being caught as last scum when they couldn’t neighborize. I wouldn’t use it, but it doesn’t mean someone else wouldn’t.

[PenguinPower]

Also, I’m not saying it has to be Fark. I’m almost evenly split between the two, so good luck.

[PenguinPower]

I troll better than this, Bob. I’m hurt.

[PenguinPower]

It actually can be because it’s unknown to all parties until one mason dies so early interactions are different than mason/mason interactions.

[PenguinPower]

Your trolling that game was really good. Though i must admit with your lynch and all you are beign a bit lackluster. From that game i woudl expect more but i cant tell if your just trolling scum trying to trick us in new way.

But if you are infact town. That means it can only possiblybe fark then. Would make sense why he neigbhourized me. Someone who was already town reading over the confirmed townie or any other player. At teh time i was wonderign why he neighbourized me over the confirmed town smart. Smart woudl be useless to him unlike a player that was town reading him. Allowing him to direct their scum reads. As for town neigbhourizing smart woudl be better as that way you can talk privatly with confirmed town rather than a player. That although he claims to have town read ultimatly isnt confirmed like smart

I trolled with a purpose in that game.

[PenguinPower]

I think this game is a lesson in the importance of avoiding tunnels which I think came close to losing the game without mechanical intervention

Agreed, and I was obviously a guilty participant in. Thanks for pulling it off in the end S_S.

[PenguinPower]

Mini Normal 2068 and 2027 had 3 masons + 2-3 town prs vs. 1 Maf PR and 2 Goons.

It not necessarily unbalanced. It's how the roles interact. Neapolitan here was really a nerf and could have outed the backup mason.

[PenguinPower]

Which is why the backup roles nerf it. Assuming VT lynch and NK to start, you go into N2 with 7 "Not Vanilla" and 3 "Vanilla" potentials. Even at best, it would only be able to clear 2 slots.

It's a WIFOM creating role here more than anything.

2 Nea clears + 3 Mason clears is bad though.

[PenguinPower]

You would of swayed PP for sure.

This is true.