viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78012In post 2310, Something_Smart wrote:Not sure about that.
I don't know if I've ever seen a normal game with scum loyal neighborizer.
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In post 2314, Farkran wrote:I am kinda tired with this game, seriously. I thought claiming today would have made things easier, not harder, but apparently i have irredeemable playstyle differences and scumhunt strategies than the majority of you guys do. The setup also goes against my odds, and i guess from your pov it makes sense if i were lying today, even if i have the perfect VCA. These things are more important to me than they are to you.
Personally, i would have never lynched garmr, i would probably have shot menalque in d1 eod if i was a dayvig, i would probably have already hammered pp today if the neighborizer thing didn't came up. I like to tryhard, i hate pointless snarkitude, i am emotional, impulsive, and childish at times. But i still think i am correct.
It's sad when town decides to believe scum over -what is, imo- good reasoning, but that's also what happened when i was scum in the game in my sig so i guess i'm eating some of my own medicine. I have nothing to add, i'm convinced of my own theory and unless something new happens i'm only lynching in {Farkran, Flubber} today, with preference to flubber.In post 1974, Farkran wrote:I guess AtE is your last resource<(") | (")>-
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You're right. That was:In post 2384, Something_Smart wrote:
None of those were 2 scum + traitor though.In post 2382, Farkran wrote:The list goes on, but i mean look at that power force. 2 masons + 1 even-night nea + 1 named townie is shit compared to those examples.
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It's cool I guess. FL already broke my no mislynch streak for the year. Somewhat disappointed though.In post 2409, Something_Smart wrote:I'm comfortable lynching in {Fark, Rabid, PP} today.<(") | (")>-
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Then by your reasoning, I can't be scum. ThanksIn post 2453, Farkran wrote:and probably neither did the killer, who didn't want to take the chance.<(") | (")>-
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I mean - I'm not opposed to lynching him today, but I still am mulling over Fark and he's on the wagon rn. I also still think both scum were on sheep.In post 2458, Menalque wrote:Also pingüino do you fancy plopping a vote on flubs<(") | (")>-
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In post 2019, PenguinPower wrote:Re: Egix and scum driving the bus - hi, that’s how I had the second/third highest scum win rate in Newbie Matrix 6
Re: Ben - sheep voting and another gross hammer by Ben
Re: Flub - if one scum was off the wagon (not required or guaranteed) it has to be him from my POV
Re: Rabid - he hasn’t really done much like I would have expected from Percy. Predecessor rep out was scummyish
Re: Fark - I’ve posted and his switching to sheep doesn’t actually do much to convince me otherwise given he’s leading the game rn with MenalIn post 2173, PenguinPower wrote:Because most of my suspects are on the wagon and with both on the wagon it creates the one-off one-on wifom lining up two successive lynches before going "oops, I was wrong."<(") | (")>-
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Your role with 2 masons and a Neap nerfs the Neap without adding town power making the setup even weaker for town.In post 2485, Farkran wrote:No one has counterclaimed me by claiming a town power role. If i were lying, town power roles cannot be limited to 2 masons and 1 even-night neap as that would be too weak.<(") | (")>-
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Neither am I so if you're confident he's not welcome to my two-on party.In post 2501, Something_Smart wrote:I'm quite confident Flubber isn't scum.<(") | (")>-
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I really don't get how you thought that given that I said you are only scum if there was one off the wagon and I've been pretty hard stating that I think two were on the wagon pretty much all day................In post 2505, Flubbernugget wrote:
I thought you had me as scum?In post 2503, PenguinPower wrote:
Neither am I so if you're confident he's not welcome to my two-on party.In post 2501, Something_Smart wrote:I'm quite confident Flubber isn't scum.
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If it's any solace, I am quite fine lynching in your lynchpool today.In post 2604, Something_Smart wrote:A lot of people are ignoring my reads.<(") | (")>-
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I've actually given my reasoning twice now. I don't really care if you didn't take the time to read it, or disagree with it. So...In post 2612, Farkran wrote:You say you believe there is a double bus, but this is also a gutread. There's no reasoning backing that up.<(") | (")>-
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Because....we were either no lynching or lynching your preferred lynch - mason!SS.In post 2615, Farkran wrote:Aside from setup spec though, VCA says that PP was inside the d1 mislynch wagon on garmr and outside the d2 lynch against scum (sheepsaysmeep).
Because I sure as hell wasn't voting with you and Egix (scumreads).
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In post 2628, Titus wrote:
He didn't tell you it was outlandish and he was more likely a named townie?In post 2625, PenguinPower wrote:tbf, I brought it up first and he latched on to it.In post 2235, Farkran wrote:This actually makes a lot of sense. I'm not accustomed to all the role modifiers, wouldn't have thought of loyal+traitor.
If this is true, it may put the game in a whole different perspective. Egix could most definitely be the traitor scum in this scenario.In post 2236, Farkran wrote:Or ben. Hmmm...In post 2242, Farkran wrote:I have taken a look at This game setup thread featuring a loyal neighborizer + traitor.
3 town PRs are considered low power for the town, so i think in our case 2 masons + 1 nea + 1 backup neighborizer would make sense for balance if put against goon + loyal nbrz + traitor PR.
Now, given thatthe traitor is endgamedif the two mafia are killed, i believe we should try and aim at people with associative potential with sheeps as well as high individual scum equity. This also lowers the chances of a bus (same as a whiteflag setup) and lowers even more the chances of a double bus (traitor knows who his partners are).
This... once again means PP to me, but i liked him pointing out the possibility of loyal nbrz + traitor. There could be scum intent in that if coming from the traitor himself (crumbing to be recruited), however...
1. Wifom is king about the lowered bus chance in this kind of setup, but that is true only once we are aware of it (PP pointing it out would make himself scummier, and it only makes sense as a VERY heavy wifom-based move to gain towncred)
2. I wouldn't want to lynch the traitor today
scum!flubber is now much more plausible than i thought, but i don't think he's aligned with PP in this scenario, which means there's -probably- exactly one busser on the sheeps wagon.<(") | (")>-
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Hey, remember my reasoning for two on? I do.In post 2635, Farkran wrote:I'm fine with that. Flubber needs to go first though. After he flips, you get PP in case of town!flub, and titus in case of scum!flub.<(") | (")>-
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He shouldn't want to be lynched as either alignment. If he flips town, it's not going to help us (aside from confirmation of his role, so read: much).In post 2662, Something_Smart wrote:But it does leave the possibility that you're bluffing about wanting to be lynched.<(") | (")>-
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I was speaking about this game specifically. His thought process is that we'll sheep his reads if he flips town, and that almost never happens (and I doubt it would happen here).In post 2668, Something_Smart wrote:
Baton Pass Suicide Squad begs to differ, lol. There are situations where it can be the right move, or at least a reasonable move.In post 2665, PenguinPower wrote:He shouldn't want to be lynched as either alignment. If he flips town, it's not going to help us (aside from confirmation of his role, so read: much).<(") | (")>-
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I want the hammer. I've said that.In post 2695, Something_Smart wrote:And he really hasn't picked up traction. Titus's recent vote was the first vote on him from anyone other than me, iirc.<(") | (")>-
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In post 2704, Farkran wrote:and specifically because of pp's 180 on him when he quickhammered scum, as opposed to pp townleaning ben when he quickhammered town.<(") | (")>-
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