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[shellyc]

your pred was very scummy, give me some Interesting Content so I can sort you

[shellyc]

trying to sort the mod is anti-town. ok i'll shut up for a bit and let you catch up

[shellyc]

replacements suck

at last fmpov grendel's trying to be the agreeable mediator while I fight against the world

also they were trying to scumread / shade everyone

[shellyc]

shading everyone furthers a scum wincon as scum win by getting miseliminations

mislims happen when town vote town

shading = +EV since town has >rand chance of voting other town if scum shades town

[shellyc]

where did all these pages come from haha?

Personally I'd like if the players pushing meta stuff the hardest can site some sources. Im not gonna fact check that stuff alone.

Correct me if im wrong (I skimmed) but: (Shelly, Jackson, Jester, Redodoas, Noraa) all have meta on eachother, and some of it is offsite?

Can you please hold my hand like im a small child and talk me through the reads you have on one another.

-/-/-/-/

Im not super inclined to support the Sundade TR that has been cropping up in peoples reads. Its really easy for scum to play the reasonable town thinker in a situation where most players are playing an overtly aggressive game.

Norigwee I think was reasonably town for pointing out the Jester/Red were reaction testing by posting silly things. I think mafia would prefer to do something safe like sit on a an existing wagon there.

Noraa's mod vote is a silly early game distraction i see mafia doing more so then town. At least thats how it is on my Home site. This isnt directly Noraa's fualt, but the copy pasta thing is annoying, and clogging up the thread.

idk the alignments of Jackson, and SHelly, but i do think that thier 1v1 hasnt been very helpful thus far. Shelly i can at least say isnt burying all her energy into the vs Jackson, and has some reads elsewhere.

Jester I wanna say is town for drawing lot of attention to himself, and for doing stuff outside of his meta reads.

Red himself isnt super AI. But i recall players discrediting his play at some point, so that points to him not being scum with that person, or people.

Mini i could probably vote as they seem to lacking presence, and not getting much attention. (Was anybody voting there?)

I guess I have nothing to say about the rest of the people.

im just pretty sure that redados / noraa bickering isn't town going at scum

and they should probably shut up

[shellyc]

Spoiler:

VC 1.5

Bat Fact #06:

While sometimes mistaken for mice, bats are absolutely, positively,

NOT

related to the rodent family. Not even a little.

EXILE STATUS

[3] shellyc:

Odd Day Jester, Mundivore, Grendel

[3] Saudade:

MiniMegabyte, NorwegianboyEE, duppin

[2] Redados:

UNOwen, Noraa

[2] Noraa:

bugspray, Redados

[1] Grendel:

shellyc

[1] MiniMegabyte:

Saudade

[1] Not Voting:

JacksonVirgo

With 13 still flying around the place, it takes 7 votes to ground someone.

The Day 1 deadline is in:

(expired on 2020-10-03 14:30:00)

Mod Notes:

(人^ω^)

[/mech]

this VC is a mess
saude / redados / noraa / grendel / megabyte cant all be town

where does this come from shelly?

with this gamestate being super fractured and with so many wagons im pretty sure at least 2/3 scum are active

[shellyc]

sorry didnt mean to quote grendel in that post

may tentatively scumcase grendel tomorrow but depends if my headache gets better and if I can high effort this

[shellyc]

so far redados is scummy
not sure why shelly is pushing me, it seems no one else agrees? shelly has had some interesting takes.
im watching noraa.
does norwee roll only scum in normals?

whats your reads on jackson/jester so far?
also, why are you watchlisting noraa but not giving a read on them?

[shellyc]

@shellyc - I was hoping for a follow up where you explained why you were confident in JV scum outside of the "bait" reaction

i dont have the brainpower to case people just yet but expect detailed explanations and high efforting from me today

[shellyc]

Would absolutely start a fight for no reason other than to win it. There is a dark, sinful fire in her eyes. This is not a typical clown, not patient, manipulative, nor insidious. No, instead she is an old clown, a clown which has gone mad from the endless immortal hours that a clown inevitably endures. A clown who remembers older, darker, deeper gods. Who would spill blood to see it spilt, to feed the earth, to forestall cleansing apocalypse. I fear this clown, but she does not fear me.

LMAOOOO

love this

[shellyc]

rip jackson and megabyte

I'll hold off on casing jackson then and focus my brainpower on that grendal guy

[shellyc]

Hi guys, today I am here to explain why Grendel is outed scum.

in 512 theres a wall about everyone's alignments but it's mostly shading people, yet the final vote intent is on megabyte. which is pretty much a vanity vote since megabyte has been not producing content so far
543 grendel states that it might be "scum theatre" + "thoughts that counter to where actions were leading" BUT in 545 they suddenly TR jackson which isnt a logical thought process
then they randomly vote for me despite 512 null on me which doesnt make sense at all

vote on me also doesnt add anything to the FOS provided by other players on me, so I consider it a sheeping vote and opportunistic wagon hopping.

[shellyc]

because they didn't debate it they clearly stated it and I can't get the trajectory from jack!scum with shelly to jack!town

vanity vote on mini is scummy because of the clear lack of it

[shellyc]

where did all these pages come from haha?

Personally I'd like if the players pushing meta stuff the hardest can site some sources. Im not gonna fact check that stuff alone.

Correct me if im wrong (I skimmed) but: (Shelly, Jackson, Jester, Redodoas, Noraa) all have meta on eachother, and some of it is offsite?

Can you please hold my hand like im a small child and talk me through the reads you have on one another.

-/-/-/-/

Im not super inclined to support the Sundade TR that has been cropping up in peoples reads. Its really easy for scum to play the reasonable town thinker in a situation where most players are playing an overtly aggressive game.

Norigwee I think was reasonably town for pointing out the Jester/Red were reaction testing by posting silly things. I think mafia would prefer to do something safe like sit on a an existing wagon there.

Noraa's mod vote is a silly early game distraction i see mafia doing more so then town. At least thats how it is on my Home site. This isnt directly Noraa's fualt, but the copy pasta thing is annoying, and clogging up the thread.

idk the alignments of Jackson, and SHelly, but i do think that thier 1v1 hasnt been very helpful thus far. Shelly i can at least say isnt burying all her energy into the vs Jackson, and has some reads elsewhere.

Jester I wanna say is town for drawing lot of attention to himself, and for doing stuff outside of his meta reads.

Red himself isnt super AI. But i recall players discrediting his play at some point, so that points to him not being scum with that person, or people.

Mini i could probably vote as they seem to lacking presence, and not getting much attention. (Was anybody voting there?)

I guess I have nothing to say about the rest of the people.

grendel does not vote for megabyte despite the intent of voting on them

[shellyc]

With a tonne of interactions between jester/shelly/noraa/jackson they instead vote for a low-content player, which could be a form of flawed logic CLATS (confirmed lurker and therefore scum)

[shellyc]

it means fence-sitting and lack of confidence in starting a new wagon (since iirc nobody was on megabyte wagon)

pedit: yes im doing for effect, not the most confident as i havent looked at taylor yet

[shellyc]

Noraa if you're town can you please stop with the BS and fluffposting and actually try to solve this game?

[shellyc]

@taylor why are you still holding vote? whos your biggest SR aorn?

[shellyc]

fluffing is arguably worse than lurking.

it spams the thread

like what you did today was give meta info on yourself? which is protown but not solving

[shellyc]

do I need to explain further? your pred shades everyone + willing to vote pretty much lurker but instead voting with leading wagon idk how that comes from a town aligned mindset

[shellyc]

like their thoughts are pretty much just sheepy pushes

and their logical progesssion on jackson doesn't make sense either

i dont think thats very confusing

[shellyc]

do you have only one scumread thats been super unlikeable so far

can you explain why my actions are actually coming from a scum mindset?

[shellyc]

hmmmmmmmmmm i'll give you that, I can see how that might be mistaken for scumminess

so given the lack of SRs do you think you are pocketed?

[shellyc]

fair enough.

I want to reverse to a TR on jester, i see you're acually trying to solve here, which is +townpoints. I shouldn't have doubted you earlier.

[shellyc]

do you think pocketing is AI?

saude is a big null at this point because of the lack of activity

[shellyc]

Shelly is shelly and always is aggressive.

I wanna make that my signature so much

regarding that response it seems like noraa's trying to fill up space with words, kinda fence sitty and agreeable with me + jester reads

[shellyc]

you sheeped my saude null + megabyte town

do you tr jackson and can you elaborate on it

[shellyc]

Also sheeps jester at multiple points + fence-sitty since you arent really giving any strong opinions

no newbias available

[shellyc]

I don't want to break site rules.

can you actually explain your read progessions for once?

[shellyc]

I SR grendel + jackson. is that not a strong opinion

[shellyc]

1) Why do you TR jackson?
2) What's your read on jester with an explanation?
3) If you had a complusory dayvig shot (makes someone die immediately) who would you use it on right now?

[shellyc]

1 is so fence sitty it might be TSTBS lol
2 is a decent read
3 I MEAN NOW. IF YOU DONT USE IT YOU DIE AND I KILL YOU

[shellyc]

noraa do you have any offsite towngames

[shellyc]

why do you think that fence-sitty word salad is town aligned when they're clearly trying to fill up space with words

white knighting blatantly here

[shellyc]

noraa's used the word “idk” a horrific amount of times, anyone else getting scumpings

[shellyc]

white knighting for whom? i didnt get that from the bits i read. the only part i really took away was the bit directed at me which was either a pocket attempt or noraa town. more likely noraa town, but could go either way i suppose

both of you are randomly and blatantly townreading each other for ???? reason

pedit: rip me then

[shellyc]

what was the motivation for doing this jester? it seems like you were searching for an excuse to scumread someone rather than trying to sort someone.

can you elaborate a bit on this? since i vibe with the majority of the saude case. I think casing is fine and they're trying to sort saude judging by their response.

[shellyc]

the word scumpings shows up in more than half ur posts and scumping by itself means nothing

it's better to be paranoid than lack of scumreads

[shellyc]

no no it's not.
I'll get scum reads once I gather enough info and shit. u get scum pings over essentially nothing.

it's good to have scumreads even if they are wrong you get information from a callout / read

[shellyc]

stop it. youre both the prettiest pony.

"girls you're both pretty" is a scum thought

trying to pocket us both? No way!

[shellyc]

I WANNA MAKE THAT MY SIGNATURE LMAOOOO

[shellyc]

First Noraa and the COPYPASTAS

now Noraa and the SIGNATURES

[shellyc]

this game should be nommed for MS game of the year, lol

[shellyc]

like can I ask why??? nobody??? believes in my jackson read because ive explained it but i shall case jackson at your wishes

[shellyc]

hm I am going to be honest Noraa, if you are town you are mislynch bait.

60% of your posts are fluff and the rest of your play is just reactionary which I'd normally consider to be a scumtell. You're not really doing anything proactive whatsoever, the readlist you just gave before gives the impression you're not really trying to figure out peoples alignment (like mixing me and bugspray up at this point is really weird to me). It doesnt really feel like youre putting in an effort to solve peoples alignment, however I am not convinced you are scum at all as this could indeed just come from a new player as well but yea if you are town then I sincerely hope you can be a bit more proactive

yay someone finally thinks noraa is fluffposting and fence sitting

noraa's probably TSTBS? but if they're a mislim waiting to happen i guess policy-ing them wouldnt be too bad of a thing to do

[shellyc]

Ok I'm going to stop procrastinating and high effort this

Jackson is Scum.

Early townread on Noraa whose play isn't really "relaxed" as far as I see it. 141 states they are LHF which is a pretty anti-town stance as noraa's play is just being a fluffposty fence-sitter
225 sheeps town leader jester on their Grendel vote without much explanation / effort done to solve grendel actually, rendering this opportunistic scum wagoning
240 agrees with jester TR on duppin once again, very agreeable play
261 super artificial defense towards my bait? "lmfao" doesn't seem like something town accused of scumslipping would do + they TR me for the bullshit test for ??? reason

Note that jackson keeps saying the word "what" super artificially, the voices are telling me something is wrong with that and idk why would town respond with a million "what"s towards my scumread on them
287 is indecisive on my alignment despite the abundance of info gained from interaction with me
303 proceeds to vote me despite 287, which isn't a very logical trajectory because there was nothing much in between the two posts
one-liners after that mostly commenting on how great meta is which isn't helping us solve the game at all

390 randomly TRs redados for the reason that they're going against the consensus on one read which isnt AI at all
one-liners after that commentating on the hate on readlists which again, isn't a solving mindset and instead serves the purpose of spam
561 when it's an obv town TMI slip on me you continue to deny it
653 suddenly unvotes me for ????? reason without much explanation. the thing jackson is doing is shifting on me alignment without a clear trajectory which doesn't read town re-evaluating since the read shifts so much
661 revotes me again + policy-ing is generally anti-town from what I have seen
677 keeps saying everything is nai, then acording to your logic what's AI lmaooo
then comments randomly on how whether newbscum are self aware which isn't a solving mindset again
then they spend a whole page overreacting super artificially to my inno child thingy, i cant see town going "oh tf i tunnelled the IC", scum would be afraid of that tbh
717 why is claiming IC townie? i dont get this progression at all
826 once again sheeping leadwagon + opportunistic hopping without adding much to the read or solving their alignment

[shellyc]

Nobody has made behavior with actual stakes.

Oh were my baits not useful enough? Were my Grendel and Jackson and Noraa reads not strong enough?

[shellyc]

Mundivore compromise limming reads decently townie if it's saude scum, but in the case saude is town this seems like scum trying to find an excuse on hopping on a town wagon

[shellyc]

I'm heartbroken mundivore

I am fine with voting {grendel noraa jackson} and {saude} after they come back from their vla

[shellyc]

im at super high WIM and effort now so if anyone has Serious Questions I can answer them

@Redados also want to hear a bit more from you with the comments about you being fence-sitty; my gut is town on you
regarding the saude read the way they were unafraid to vote mini rubs me the right way

[shellyc]

I have fishy vibes on Taylor rn.

ive been onto grendel for the whole game

but if jackson / taylor isnt happening I think redados is a decent compromise wagon, but I dont get saude at all

mundivore just voted for a wagon he didnt believe in for ?? reason

[shellyc]

ok, will move vote to somewhere Actually Useful since jack will not happen today
VOTE: Redados to E-2

[shellyc]

is anyone getting stronger and stronger scumpings on noraa

and can someone actually case saude for once instead of "oh hes been inactive" + "META"

[shellyc]

Trying to push something so blatantly dishonest is such a poor plan that I would probably assume either you were pulling some sort of reaction test or you had completely misread my post in some way. Only if the push was sustained would I then go on to view it as scum-motivated.

does this mean you think my push on jacksonvirgo is incorrect
i kinda vibe with much of uno's ISO, thought processes are pretty good

I like my TRs to be {jester, UNO, norway, duppin} aorn

[shellyc]

because noraa isn't happening today probably

I could waste energy scumcasing you but people will just ignore it as I have godawful casing skills
I want to use my vote somewhere decent
scumpings = doubs, tbh I think edados > you in terms of scumminess aorn

[shellyc]

[non-serious explanation]
Noraa this is not ok. Every game I play with you, you come tell me ur gonna SR me bc of my playstyle. if uk that it's 100% biased and not reliable, then y tf r u bringing it up? I don't think this is AI since it has happened more than once but dude can you cut it out? You told us a few posts ago that you played three games with shelly and two she was scum and the other you got a day one lim on town!shelly. Do you not see a problem here? You need to look at each game separately while referencing what you need to reference, not carry a bias/grudge from game to game and literally start each game off by telling everyone u SR me or shelly bc of our playstyle. It's not cool, its not helpful, and I don't think the people you do it to appreciate it. Can you stop?

[shellyc]

Readslist:
Noraa - Scummy overall, fence-sitting play and unwilling to take hard stances or provide much game advancing content, constant spammy + fluffy posts (though they tunnelled someone in Newbie 2028 as scum??)
Mundivore - Vibe with the attempt to push the game, gut leans town there but trajectory from saude to redados kinda pings? Null
bugspray - Attempt to push noraa feels very genuine solving, real effort to push us out of RVS. Town but need to see more
JacksonVirgo - I stand by my case but ive been mulling over this. I'm kinda conflicted here since i might consider a town!jackson who thinks im town bullshitting and will reconsider over the next few days especially when the replacement comes in.
duppin - early UTR doesn't read scum-driven so im willing to townpass this. Town + clear thought processes
MiniMegabyte - If saude is red this is almost lockgreen, but overall they display authentic town paranoia so im townlean here
Tayl0r Swift replaces Grendel - Grendel plays the rational mediator in the shelly vs world conflict, tries to shade everyone, and their actions dont line up with their thoughts. taylor v noraa doesn't really seem like scum theatre so this had me rethinking but gut leans scum.
Odd Day Jester - I'm starting to get heavy townpings on their attempts to lead and solve. they arent afraid with going against the grain and are actually attempting to further a town agenda
Saudade - idk i dont really vibe with the meta scumcase on them but its true that they have been less active but I don't scumread people for RL reasons. I want to see an actual case here because this is a big null
Redados - Scummy, upon reread their ISO fence-sitting really pings me as real scummy BUT Noraa + Taylor are on this wagon so if a red redados flip will retink the two
UNOwen - I vibe with their thought processes, clear logic, and they overall seem to really want to solve in their posting
NorwegianboyEE - Gut reads town here. interaction with jackson warrants a reread later but im townlean here since their ISO looks decent

[shellyc]

@norway I want a read on redados asap.
also a general readslist wouldnt hurt

[shellyc]

Dream as if you'll live as Noraa, live as if you'll die as Shelly.

I TR both norway + bugs and you TR grendel

[shellyc]

Can you explain your trajectory in the slot

because grendel + taylor recieved the same role PM
idk why you ignore your grendel read

[shellyc]

make a big ugly quote wall and tell me where tf grendel's posts indicated a town mindset

because I think taylor townier than grendel's play tbh, also considering taylor's super bad at obvtowning (no offence, and im also super bad at it)

[shellyc]

First game here in a while. Im interested to see how site meta has changed, what the players are like now, how I hold up as a player, etc

Please do me a favor and outline your typical playstyle with these questions:

Intuitive, or analytical?
Independent, or Collaborative?
Aggressive, or Passive?

I will respond to my own questions once I get some responses to the survey. As this is my first post I would also like to say good luck to you all! Hopefully this will be a good game!

This definitely reads as townie trying to get a grasp on everyone. This is kinda like when someone metadives everyone, u generally think if they r willing to put in that much time/effort, they are more likely town than scum.

where did all these pages come from haha?

Personally I'd like if the players pushing meta stuff the hardest can site some sources. Im not gonna fact check that stuff alone.

Correct me if im wrong (I skimmed) but: (Shelly, Jackson, Jester, Redodoas, Noraa) all have meta on eachother, and some of it is offsite?

Can you please hold my hand like im a small child and talk me through the reads you have on one another.

-/-/-/-/

Im not super inclined to support the Sundade TR that has been cropping up in peoples reads. Its really easy for scum to play the reasonable town thinker in a situation where most players are playing an overtly aggressive game.

Norigwee I think was reasonably town for pointing out the Jester/Red were reaction testing by posting silly things. I think mafia would prefer to do something safe like sit on a an existing wagon there.

Noraa's mod vote is a silly early game distraction i see mafia doing more so then town. At least thats how it is on my Home site. This isnt directly Noraa's fualt, but the copy pasta thing is annoying, and clogging up the thread.

idk the alignments of Jackson, and SHelly, but i do think that thier 1v1 hasnt been very helpful thus far. Shelly i can at least say isnt burying all her energy into the vs Jackson, and has some reads elsewhere.

Jester I wanna say is town for drawing lot of attention to himself, and for doing stuff outside of his meta reads.

Red himself isnt super AI. But i recall players discrediting his play at some point, so that points to him not being scum with that person, or people.

Mini i could probably vote as they seem to lacking presence, and not getting much attention. (Was anybody voting there?)

I guess I have nothing to say about the rest of the people.

This is a pretty good read ngl. They got all the important stuff and all.

either way it seems... just not how I'd imagine scum would play this situation out

Normally I'd be inclined to agree, because why does scum lie about that so unnecessarily? But this is actually just how scum!shelly plays, she constantly backpedals on things when called out on them, and "flails" for lack of a better term (and this is why you don't ignore meta).

Show me some examples please?

Actully, i think that Jackson's world view just makes more sense to me as town then mafia.

Since everybody is digging into Shelly's meta i feel obligated to read some of her past games, but i'll have to do it tomarrow.

VOTE: Shelly

this just makes me think ur SR on them is prolly cuz they voted u which is typical scum!shelly play right?

Hey guys, just giving you all a heads up that im subbing out.

Really sorry, coming back to this forum was probably a mistake. I thought I could keep up, but it doesn't appear that I can. Good luck to the rest of you.

ngl this reads pretty damn genuine to me

22 (asking for meta info) is definitely not ai

can you explain why 512 is pretty good? since i think it's basically just shading the whole plist which I don't like

if you want to go metadive scum!shelly, sure. but I dont really omgus since it's a pretty common scumtell

also pls dont use reasons like they're subbing out to TR them. it may be geniune but it doesn't mean anything

[shellyc]

all in all i think you're finding really forced reasons to TR a pred to save them from my tunnel
then when I ramp up the pressure you start distancing

sounds like an attempt to first save, then bus

[shellyc]

taylor do you have any offsite scum games

pedit: grendel = taylor, why does the taylor SR overrule the grendel TR?

pedit: y'know, I get scumread as town and townread as scum way too much.

[shellyc]

taylor are you an alt?

tbh i think noraa's scumread + interaction with taylor isn't really scum theatre so might rethink the two. maybe noraa is just fence-sitting town + LHF making a correct read on taylor

[shellyc]

Bc Taylor is the current slot holder
ofc she gets priority

??????

they don't? grendel got the same rolecard as taylor, so idk what logic this is

[shellyc]

you do you. i wont be offended if you decide to scumread me. but ill be a little disappointed.

[no AtE here]

this sounds super self aware?

who's with me on taylor/grendel: I ideally want that slot today and I think we can get some pressurevotes at least there

[shellyc]

not really. well maybe? i dont understand any reasoning as to why im supposed to be scum, so im just ignoring it. but then also, no one else does either and im town so im not really stressing. i did say that you should be able to see that im town here based on 2028

I've cased grendel more than once, your iso isn't exactly spicy either and the interaction with noraa is kinda like flailing scum

[shellyc]

I dont wanna waste all my energy to do PBPA again on the taylor slot because i feel like ive wasted too much focusing there.

[shellyc]

Uhhh self awareness = scum because of the simple reason that scum's job is to avoid being limmed and being self aware furthers that

town's job is to scumhunt. scum's job is to look like town. do i need to explain further than that?

[shellyc]

appeal to emotion

[shellyc]

Tell me if I'm the only one thinking its absolute bs.

no it's decent, but @redados you state i am scum at multiple times yet why dont you put me in your solve

[shellyc]

yeah. it's the lack of real pushes, convictions, or opinions. he is laying super low and getting towncred for pushing, and specifically it's pushing that doesn't require him to take stands or get sussed at all.

not really. uno discredited my case which is quite a hot take

[shellyc]

So trying to summarise what I thought:
I see lots of "lol, this is funny".
I see that you are scumreading almost every player to vote against you.
I see that you agree with some of shellyc's posts, calling them pro-town at one point but still scum read them. There is no explanation on the overall shelly read.
I see that you are now claiming to scum read Noraa, but do not want to explain why her behaviour this game is outside of the general scummy Noraa behaviour you expected as it "seems like a lot of work".
I see lots of "why no hunting" even though you have done very little on that front.

i skimmed the wall but these points are pretty valid? especially on how redados just comments on the post instead of analysis - form of IIoA?

shading every player is pretty scum AI as well

[shellyc]

so right now noraa + owen are on the same wavelength i wonder if it's scum+scum trying to push town!redados or town successfully identifying scum

at this point i stand by my vote on them since it created pressure there

[shellyc]

If we get a Redados flip, here's what I think. If he flips scum that likely means he told his partners to bus him to get a shit ton of towncred by jumping on his wagon. If he flips town, I will be baffled and literally just stfu for a while while I think about how I ended up strongly SRing a townie. I doubt he will flip green tho ngl. He's seriously just been way too scummy for me to even honestly consider that possibility

this is kinda angling / positioning around the flip which is scum AI tbh

[shellyc]

like redados did high effort with that wall so i initially gave townpoints to it but now I kinda think it's just a whole bunch of IIOA

redados can you go case noraa or something and noraa can you go case redados

[shellyc]

@redados what's the odds from your pov that it's TvT since you bring up the posibility

idrt the noraa/uno thoughts almost verbatim is partner-y?

[shellyc]

Watch shelly completely disappear from redados' SRs just bc of her above posts

Dream as if you'll live like Noraa, live as if you'll die like Shelly

1224 is better than the quotewall (which is IIOA) since i feel the tone is more genuine but thats easily fakeable by scum

[shellyc]

TSTBS + OMGUS = battle of the buzzwords?

??????? untunneling for no reason? idk what tf this is, sounds like scum backtracking

[shellyc]

@redados so you're null on taylor?

noraa's subtly shading me
what if this whole thing redadosvnoraa was scum theatre

VOTE: Noraa

I kinda think noraa's scummier than redados based off the reactions, noraa just seems insincere moreso than redados. i think redados IIOA is still scummy. considering scum theatre possibility

[shellyc]

I've stated gut townpings on UNO but nothing too concrete

aorn {noraa, taylor, redados} are my main PoE pool but i kinda doubt thats the solve? maybe mundivore as well esp. if redados flips green

[shellyc]

redados wanna search uno's ISO for the word Noraa? I can see fireworks ticking off

[shellyc]

red = redados' scumteam

[4] Redados:

UNOwen

,

Noraa

, Tayl0r Swift, shellyc
[4] Saudade: MiniMegabyte, NorwegianboyEE, duppin, JacksonVirgo
[2] shellyc: Odd Day Jester,

Mundivore

[1] Noraa: bugspray
[1] MiniMegabyte: Saudade
[1] UNOwen: Redados

so you think scum haven't bussed each other at all

[shellyc]

oooooooooh check noraa's ISO for the word UNO

this is amazing

pedit: noraa/taylor/uno vibing together so much sets off alarms as to how someone is deep pocketed

[shellyc]

Townblocks are trash

btw don't you scumread me? your ISO points how im "weird" or "scummy" multiple times

[shellyc]

oooooooooh check noraa's ISO for the word UNO

this is amazing

pedit: noraa/taylor/uno vibing together so much sets off alarms as to how someone is deep pocketed

Redados disappeared from Shellys reads and Shelly disappeared from Redados' reads.

Shelly/Redados scum team

I'm just kinda re-evaluating since idrt it's scum theatre upon reread and I feel like noraa's scummier than redados

[shellyc]

lmaooo did I just get accused of pocketing uno?

looking through your ISO searching the word uno I see you saying that they said two things then you TR them for ???? reason

[shellyc]

looking through UNO's ISO they don't even read noraa; they seem to talk around noraa a whole bunch and arent trying to solve noraa's alignment

I feel that indicates >random partner equity

[shellyc]

why are we thinking about what to do as scum
is 1267 a scumslip

[shellyc]

redados says it's NOT me and noraa
noraa says it's me and redados

which makes sense with scum!noraa town!me town!redados

[shellyc]

yeah I think you're scummy, but the past couple of pages point to ShellyC and Noraa not being scum partners imo

1250 was directed at @taylor, but sure I'll take it

if you think we aren't S/S do you think scum is noraa and town is me then?

[shellyc]

No I think it would be to get me off ur tail. The reason is that anyone that assumes Shelly and I ended up both rolling scum again has to be a low-key delusional townie that wants the pieces that clearly don't fit together to fit together. You saying you ruled out the possibility just makes u sound more town cuz the probability of that happening is literally god knows how low. And considering a possibility that is literally so damn small definitely looks town imo. But then I'm kinda like mmm what if scum!redados is trying to change my mind with this bc he knows I overthink the shit outta everything and anything?

this is like super weird? I don't think entertaining me+noraa scumteam = delusional? I don't like you using the numbers to read redados and you end up wifoming yourself

quoting myself, sometimes town are just town. and scum are just scum.

[shellyc]

redados saying +1 to everything taylor says is concerning

im trying to entertain counterfactuals as much as I can

[shellyc]

taylor why are you blatantly defending redados

hmmm im thinking taylor/redados or noraa/owen as The Worlds

[shellyc]

why are preflip associations bad

interactions are literally the whole point of Mafia

[shellyc]

also, why do you feel obligation to be everyone's knight in shining armour and defend them from bad arguments because its not your job to do that

[shellyc]

second sentence of that is kinda self aware? or am I reading too much into things

pedit: can you explain WHY I am scummy? since ive seen your noraa minicase

[shellyc]

having interactions with each other and defending each other is partner equity which could be townblock or scum partners

either way i think it's a valid way of solving but we'll agree to disagree

pedit: noraa stop sheeping

[shellyc]

you sheeped my suspicion on redados for not compellingly casing me.

[shellyc]

second sentence of that is kinda self aware? or am I reading too much into things

pedit: can you explain WHY I am scummy? since ive seen your noraa minicase

Yeah redados' reads still have absolute zero content and I'm not sure what to think about that at this point

tell me that's not sheeping
pedit: what? why do you think me tunnelling for the whole game = town?

[shellyc]

pagetop

[shellyc]

besides generaly your posting hasn't been very game advancing

your FoS on redados sheeps UNO
your sus on me sheeps jackson, jester
you fluffpost a ton

[shellyc]

the confrontation from noraa at you was mainly because of your meta scumread, not directly sussing you or casing you

[shellyc]

ok after checking facts im willing to give you the point that you sused redados first but it was kinda an RVS sus

[shellyc]

I'm also feeling scummy on Noraa and Shelly but can acknowledge to myself that it probably has less to do with alignment and more to do with playstyle.

this is a meta scumread or at leats you think that our behaviour is antitown

[shellyc]

I've been on the fence about it. But i think i'm ready to admit that i don't really agree with the Redados wagon. I'm thinking he's town.

norway comes off kinda weird / agreeable / rational

makes me think we're in a massive TvT

[shellyc]

If this is correct then i like Taylor a bit more as well. I'm getting a tiny bit of a different vibe from them than Noir (Which i can start openly quoting now since the game ended). They were scum in that game so my gut is that they must be town in this game.

how many times do I have to repeat, meta's useless

I did read noir through and it kinda +townpoints to taylor

[shellyc]

Scum theatre my ass.
VOTE: ShellyC

ok you're wrong

[shellyc]

Wtf is this.

i dont really like attempts to openly make townblocks? just gives scum the opportunity to infiltrate them from what i have seen

[shellyc]

Jackson Shelly is probably TvT and you two should shake hands and stop.

like, your trajectory on me makes zero sense because you randomly go from TR->vote for no reasoning at all???

[shellyc]

i dislike prodging

btw @jester do you know that third parties arent allowed in normals. We should elim all liars.

[shellyc]

this sounds lots like one of ur posts from doggos when someone called u scum

cause the only thing I am sure of is my alignment this game

so I know norwee is voting for a townie right now

[shellyc]

i think saude is a solid townlean too

elaborate

welcome!

[shellyc]

yeah shelly sucks at town sorry not sorry
im not that great either

DAYVIG: PLUSJOYED

pls don’t fracture my ego thanks
to be fair im terrible at obvtowning and bad at logical consistency

[shellyc]

gut sus read here on the wagon

yay someone is vibing this

joyed are you now jack or megabyte

[shellyc]

shelly I'm going to bring this up again simply because I want to know if this is something you are going to follow up on day 1 or not. (at least I do not believe you have followed up on it yet?)

yes I remember this!

not d1, perhaps if you wish a lot

[shellyc]

I believe shelly is town as well actually. I have not played with her and most of the scumreads on her seems to be a bit biased on meta but the reads themselves seem to be a bit lackluster to me.
I think someone said it was suspicious of her to do pre flip reads but I disagree with this a lot actually - it is bad if she starts playing around pre flips, but expressing her thoughts on a potential flip is something I find to be a bit more towny albeit easy to fake as scum as well as it helps you set up your read progression in case you get a mislynch through. But the counter argument to that in this case is in my opinion that shelly has been all over the playerlist. I am pretty sure she has called out everyone for something at this point and has engaged with everyone. I have no idea if this is out of her scumrange or not but to me her play jsut comes across as coming from a town perspective.

ooooh the pocket

tbh I liked your catchup reads (bug jester Norways for town)

one more page of reading to go and im all done

[shellyc]

they seem scummy

joyed you are an enigma can you actually explain things for one time

[shellyc]

Why is this post so weird? It sounds defensive and unnatural explaining his own logic/thought process at the time. Maybe it's just the wording that's pinging me.

no I like it, it’s fine to me

explaining their thought processes are protown

[shellyc]

saudade is because of meta tho

saude’s overexplaining and not really hard tunnelling so idrt meta’s similar to their towngame

Im null on Saude

[shellyc]

joyed is producing content gut reads are reads

however jack is still a scumslot. joyed's better than jackson though

@joyed if you don't mind entertaining me - can you provide me info on your meta as town and scum

[shellyc]

meta

town!saude gut tunnels someone

idk how you arrive to a meta conclusion that saude is town

also can you explain your megabyte SR

[shellyc]

can we make this a wagon?

maybe

idrt duppin's posting super duper scummy but i am not townreading them either

[shellyc]

is this TMI that joyed is town

also if he plays like how they get limmed as town there is your FAVOURITE META TO SAVE YOU

[shellyc]

ok I just skimmed some isos

jester, can you elaborate on your trajectory on me?
it goes like this:
advancing RVS = town
Jackson bait = scum
meta = scum
gut suddenly pings town around mid of today
grendel case = ok
Jackson case = better on me
ok guys shelly is scum and in my limpool

which is a super weird trajectory

I think RedadosvNoraa gives hints of TvT with noraa being a LHF and Redados’ defense quite compelling
I kinda wanna sway over to saude / joyed?

[shellyc]

like the votes are
Noraa - who is pretty much just playing like LHF and they were actually trying to solve with the conflicts with me and redados tbh”
Redados - whose defense + push on UNO I kinda buy?
Saude - who is V/LA

makes me think the scum are inactive fluffposters kinda and watching us self destruct

will tentatively jump on duppin wagon since after revisiting their ISO didn’t look very good. they’re a big null and I want to pressure them

VOTE: UNVOTE for now? out of the three wagons aorn I don’t like any of them

[shellyc]

I still remember my case on Jackson and I stand by it

I want to interact with joyed but joyed’s play is super LHF and weird which may colour my read. they were lynchbait in both my scumgames with them

[shellyc]

I also remember jester + Jackson townread after my push (which was trying to pressure a response) early-game on duppin, and duppin just pretty much became UTR

Taylor might not be happening but if duppin is red, Taylor pushing wagon onto them is very townie

overall Taylor + Grendel slot still leans scum

it’s sad that all my scumreads arent becoming actual wagons but I want a lim to go through

[shellyc]

its popular

idrt saude is so scummy as some of you put it but he’s not locktown either so im fine if you need my vote for the wagon to go through

[shellyc]

My lim order goes like this now
Taylor
Jackson
Saudade
Duppin
Redados=Noraa

I don’t really know what to make of duppin’s TR on me which is pretty controversial
idrt duppinVtaylor is town vs town and I think it’s likely TvS aorn

p-edit: give me some time to Quote Things and make a big ugly quote wall

[shellyc]

Spoiler: duppin iso

47 disencouraging scum reads? giving their partners an excuse to Not Do Solving?
wants to policy lim jester? which doesn’t really make sense from a town pov since you seemingly believe town!jester but want to give yourself a reason to get out of that? idk
SR redados TR bugspray - but then thinks bugs might be “distancing” with jester? which is contradictory
SR redados for apparently “avoiding confrontation” which is more of a personality tell tbh
640 subtly defends Taylor (Grendel) for shading everyone or lack of confidence in TRs? which is kinda illogical since idrt “lack of confidence” is a way to justify scummy behaviour
duppin opportunistic wagon hopping and voting saude despite wanting me to elaborate on the meta read and I followed up
Being hostile to redados for not pushing wagons. if everyone pushes a wagon its impossible to get a elimination in. some people have to wagon on other existing wagons since this is majority Lynch
1020 states noraa is fluffing and LHF which might be an attempt to justify a noraa vote later? kinda more of a question mark
prodding multiple people to give thoughts could be interpreted as LAMIST-y
now thinks saude is vla and we should all go off
the thing about prodding me to get back to my “confidence” thingy might be a rolefish?

[shellyc]

you will notice most of this is speculation from my end, this is why I am not heavily scum reading you but I am watchlisting you of sorts

[shellyc]

scum role fishing hmmmmmmm

nah im revealing it whenever I want to or I need to

[shellyc]

jester when did you start scum reading Grendel/Taylor?

that isn’t a valid team solve as I’ve been screaming for Taylors blood this whole game

[shellyc]

Oh, it has something to do with your role. I figured it was a playstyle choice you'd decided on pregame.

has to do with *something*.

What If This Is Just a Huge Bait

[shellyc]

jester + duppin role fishing scum?

I explicitly softed hard that I was an Informed Townie to find those ROLEFISHERS

in all honestness it’s just a play style choice. jesters right, im trying to be more assertive to push my reads harder and be more convincing as town?

[shellyc]

im actually rethinking

jester actively tells us to avoid the topic which I quite protown

not sure I love duppin’s response though

[shellyc]

I still remember my case on Jackson and I stand by it

I want to interact with joyed but joyed’s play is super LHF and weird which may colour my read. they were lynchbait in both my scumgames with them

your case on jackson seemed to be omgus from what I remember. why do you think my slot is scum?

its not omegas and this proves you didn’t read the game or my iso when I repeated it ten million times and I don’t really wanna detail it again

[shellyc]

Remember that marathon game where you were town and then lied about the order of the posts/time stamps when I said it incriminated you, shelly? Yeah... that would explain why town!you is lying about the "concerns me" thing among other stuff from earlier.

hi hectic!

LAL is town!me’s downfall (kinda) from my chat mafia experiences

[shellyc]

i'm sus of both reddados and taylor like stated
i replaced in very recently and my reads are not very strong at all yet, so it would be helpful to get this elim soonish for concrete data to form my reads
I could iso dive to get better grasp on the game but we are low on time and I don't think it's worth the effort yet when we are so close to solid data
given all that, I think I'll trust town mostly on wagons as long as I'm able to see the wagon target as scum
NE also told me to swap and I think NE is town

“NE tells me to swap”
telling someone to vote swap is NAI and you (if you’re town) do not understand the alignments of Taylor supposedly

imma dip for a quick lunch also holy fuck why are there still like 13 pages

[shellyc]

Norwee and Jester have been pretty against this redados wagon. I think they are both coming from a town perspective tho so I'm not too sure redados flipping red means they r scum

elaborate

why do you think Norway and jester are coming from a town perspective when they oppose your prefered wagon

[shellyc]

this is a bad reason for a vote on someone.

sometimes your vote doesn’t need to be on your biggest scumread
we need to get a lim through and you’re going today most likely

[shellyc]

how are people letting duppin get away with not explaining reads at all? everyone who posts about duppin seems to agree that the posts are bad, but theres no momentum towards the wagon, and immediately a shitty counterwagon forms on me.

duppin is 90% scum here.

can you actually *case* duppin for once
can you explain instead of saying that “they have no reads” which isn’t strictly AI

[shellyc]

It looks to me like some BS vote count logic scum likes to use.
VOTE: PlusJOYED

listen I might actually have decent reads on Jackson and grendeltaylor
can w all revisit the early game and look at my pushes

[shellyc]

nuuuuu uno im coming back
VOTE: Redados

noraa stop being manipulated so easily if you’re town or we’ll have to policy you

also, a comment on PlusJoy
they’re LHF and my limbait in all scum games ive been in with them
but I still think the slot is scum because of Jackson

[shellyc]

confidence is making people TR shelly. why can't I tr Taylor for it?

not everyone is confident as town
confidence is AI for some only

what if im a scumhunting god and the solve is Jackson/Taylor/Noraa and I called in on what, page 3

pedit: don’t try mod

[shellyc]

oh I thought that was pagetop snipe lol
nvm

[shellyc]

Ok ok I think Redados is scum however I think Norwee and Jester's reasoning for why he is town is understandable as well. I think this Redados wagon isn't a great way to find scum bc its a huge mess atm anyways so scums can really really easily mix in here. I still want this wagon to go thru but I must admit its kinda a hot mess rn

fencesitting again noraa

can you start having Stances instead of blending in with the consensus

[shellyc]

this is probably omgussy but i don't care, there's actually like no way i can see NB being town so I'm gonna shoot my shot for now
UNVOTE:
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

do you think Norway would really defend his scumbuddy here
idrt that’s a really viable partnership to be fair

Norway overall gives me gut town vibes but that slot I haven’t revisited in a long time
joyed do you mind casing them or something

8 pages to go

[shellyc]

Norwee is likely town aorn and if u want to SR than siot, ur gonna need a shit ton of evidence cuz they are universally TRed rn. Norwee is not on the block and I think its literally impossible and we'd all have to be insane to lim a slot that seems that town day 1. ISO Norwee, he's pretty townie rn.

noraa can you EXPLAIN THINGS?

I concur with this but the most important part is the WHY

duppin/Taylor + joyed/norway
I don’t want to flip sausage, it’s a low info flip
one of joyed/Taylor/redados? is a good flip

[shellyc]

We got there. So going way back to my previous question which you did not answer - can you point to where you believe she has been anti-town in this game in a way that you wouldn't expect from town!Noraa? What about her reads suggest she is scum?

I think uno prodding redados to give their thought in a productive way kinda +townpoints to them and makes me doubt redados

in the mean time
VOTE: Taylor

this is probably a scum slot and duppin is townie + their miselim

[shellyc]

Redados has no case on me. He's literally just OMGUSing me to hell and back. I admire scum!Redados' courage to not backpedal but all his arguments are just "Noraa is scum. Why? Just because she is"

Ok i will cave in on the basis that it's the leading wagon and i think you're more townie than him right now, so screw it.
VOTE: Redados
Can't wait for the inevitable "omg he's bussing his scum teammate!" comment from PlusJoyed.

norway did you just voteswitch 3 or 4 times or something

i dont like that at all

[shellyc]

Plus I dont like how agreeable u r.

joyed is not agreeable
pushing norway (a hot take) is kinda +townpoints since town them actually solves

[shellyc]

im being completely ignored, meanwhile everyone is totally caught up in this shitfight which is probably TVT, and the posts going back and forth arent even any good.

"youre scum!"
"no youre scum!"
"how dare you call me scum you must be scum"
"wow thats OMGUS, so you must be scum"
"youre tunneled on me, so youre scum"
"you dont even have any arguments for calling me scum, so youre scum"

why are you arbitrarily calling a fight with (as you put it) not much logical consistency as TvT
this is weird

[shellyc]

not only is everyone ignoring my posts about duppin, but everyone is giving duppin a pass for refusing to engage me.

im finding it interesting that you nullbin / ignore interactions of the entire plist except duppin and hard tunnel them
which makes me think youre not having a town agenda of trying to sort everyone

[shellyc]

I agree. I see some soft tunneling from him on Saudade which is a bit strange. Saudade has posted so few posts and duping kinda just strikes me as a player that saw saudade as a lil sus or easy limbait(depending on alignment) and basically skimmed everything else and decided to cling to saudade and not let go for the life of him.

so you think confidence is now a scumtell
the inconsistency

[shellyc]

My current limpool is {noraa, unowen, mundivore, shelly}

what do you think of norway and taylor aorn?
do you concur with any of those pushes?

[shellyc]

wtf? Why are u voting a really inactive slot now?
VOTE: Redados
ur so scummy its unbelievable

didnt you "not want plus to accidentally hammer a townie"
weird as fuck switch

[shellyc]

Mundi's pretty null on my radar rn. They've said like 2 things so eh.

mundivore has more than 2 posts in his iso
if you think they are fluffposting then VOTE

[shellyc]

good god you're obvscumming so hard

elaborate
the post was not especially AI

[shellyc]

finally ive finished the 12 pages

i think norwayVplus is kinda TvS-ish, with the lack of coherent logic
I think taylor is my top SR
plusjoy is still a scummy slot
scumpings on noraa has increased but might just be LHF
if taylor is red duppin is probgreen
norwee has now become nullish
redados is townleaning with the pushes and mentality i see a townie mindset tbh
mundivore iso isnt exactly great but i want to see more content
jester still town
hot take i kinda SR bugs for not giving us his notes but stating he has notes in notes pt. moving out of rvs is nai and idk why hes getting so much cred for it.

[shellyc]

finally ive finished the 12 pages

i think norwayVplus is kinda TvS-ish, with the lack of coherent logic
I think taylor is my top SR
plusjoy is still a scummy slot
scumpings on noraa has increased but might just be LHF
if taylor is red duppin is probgreen
norwee has now become nullish
redados is townleaning with the pushes and mentality i see a townie mindset tbh
mundivore iso isnt exactly great but i want to see more content
jester still town
hot take i kinda SR bugs for not giving us his notes but stating he has notes in notes pt. moving out of rvs is nai and idk why hes getting so much cred for it.

ok now that you're voting for me im gonna need you to explain why you scumread me exactly. and why do you think duppin is town?

please cite specific posts.

I never scumread Norway, I asked you to elaborate on Norway

[shellyc]

didn’t mean to quote that but im going to follow up on that

I scumread you because I heavily scumread your pred, and you aren’t making me changing my mind on you
especially the duppin read sounds like an attempt on attacking lurking LHF

I don’t townread duppin, duppin was always a null for me, but if you’re red I don’t see you bussing there

[shellyc]

at what point did i say everyone else was null?

at least from the vibe I get you’re just hard tunnelling duppin and ignoring that whole conflict

[shellyc]

I can make a big ugly quote wall on Taylor and duppin but im not really feeling it today. also idk why you think the only compelling way to scumread people is apparently to do PBPA and quote posts

[shellyc]

@shelly could you elaborate a bit on why you think there has to be a scum between me and Tayl0r?

I scumread Taylor and I townread you.

If Taylor flips green, I am inclined to trust their read, since this whole thing feels off to me somehow. idrt you’re TvT’ing, the way Taylor hard tunnels you and ignores everything else is very scum indicative and I don’t think it’s scum theatre due to the genuineness of the whole argumentation

[shellyc]

EBWOP: I scumread Taylor and I townlean you.

[shellyc]

okay hm I actually dislike this post as it comes across as you trying to set up chainlynches

that’s the most horrific pagetop I’ve seen in a while

I mean, im doing associatives and is that a bad thing? no

[shellyc]

actually concluding that a town flip from tayl0r would make me scum is pretty bad yes especially if you have a townread on me

Like. cause I don’t think its TvT. and if Taylor flips green id have to reconsider you

I won’t do an immediate 180, just will RECONSIDER. is that clear

[shellyc]

im all in for it
been scumrading the slot to hell and back

PLUS YOU’RE JACKSON, im not a fan of the lamist

[shellyc]

Mundivore, what does OOC mean
I feel like your case is legit, but can you actually 1) quote things and 2) elaborate why people cant have a “finding good eliminations” + “don’t get eliminated myself” mindset. it’s possible imo

[shellyc]

mundivore do you not have a read on noraa/jester
the conspicuous absence of several players is weird

[shellyc]

joyed you’re not the centre of the universe. I read the norway/joyed intersection as TvS or SvS-ish probably due to the absence of actual SOLVING and instead you two just go “NO U!” at each other

Norway is probably town and jackjoyed is probably scum there

[shellyc]

Noraa, I agree with your logic on bugspray.

why do you follow your scum reads read and will you jump on the wagon

[shellyc]

Jester isn't new.

man jester is hectic

[shellyc]

Despite this focus, there is still an interest in the rest of the game throughout his posts and I can't detect any scum agenda.

why is “interest in the game” alignment indicative though?
also can you quote the posts in which a town agenda is shown

[shellyc]

Our argument on him voting Hectic seemed like something scum wouldn’t bother with. I really liked how he kept his stance of voting Odd-Day Jester for policy reasons. It’s the kind of silly argument scum likely wouldn’t bother with.

how is policying people town indicative
this is flawed logic

[shellyc]

well im not sure about you atm. i still dont really buy a lot of the reasons you gave in your defense and i think your playstyle is lazy and helps scum. but i can sorta see the town mindset, and the way our wagons formed today suggests to me that this is TvT, more likely than not. its more that im fairly convinced that norwee and mundivore are scum, and i dont see you being scum with them.

can you like, explain why its TvT for once

if you think their play is anti-town cant you policy them?

[shellyc]

lets push taylor to E-1 and get a claim, i think thats the most protown thing to do today

the day has been derailing

[shellyc]

do I not exist Dave?

yeah I was kinda heavily tpr reading you scanning that game which is why I said I had info on your meta

[shellyc]

talk me through how forcing claims is pro-town.

force claim = scum may claim wrong role, real PR outs scum

[shellyc]

shelly then we also lose a tpr to the night kill, do you think there's a more efficient way?

1 scum for 1 town benefits us, as even with the PR kill its one red player down

do YOU have a more efficient way?

[shellyc]

like no matter what I still want to hear claims from people at E-1 so we know we’re not lolhammering a PR

[shellyc]

not do you know a better way. Do you believe there could exist a better way for town to obtain info leading to a successful scum elimination than just by making people claim? Scum will often claim vt for WIFOM purposes so on average we are more likely to lose a tpr than elim scum

yes. by scumhunting . I didn’t say claiming was the only way for us to lim scum

[shellyc]

im also not professor mafia and do not have a huge database of mafia theory

[shellyc]

I was just in a jokey mood

do you expect me to educate you on how to find scum

[shellyc]

fine fine

read ISOs
interact with people
list your reads and question others about others’ reads
read into motives and whether someone is truly solving
get a wagon going and look at others reactions to it and the wagoned persons defense
is that specific enough

[shellyc]

don’t trust this hectic dude, he’s a mad hatter

[shellyc]

1. anti-town = you wanna policy them which doesn’t equal a scumread
2. throwing scumreads is still protown
3. not listening carefully is NAI.

[shellyc]

I am hard counterclaiming strong loyal multitasking fruit vendor doctor vigilante cop watcher tracker mailman motion detector role cop role watcher psychologist jail keeper neighborizer

[shellyc]

no content. flip floppy. scum scummy. Imma be placing pressure around here for the time being

vanity voting with this much time in the day isn’t working. we need to get a lim through and this aint it

[shellyc]

I think y’all are just misunderstanding me. I want to hear a claim but its not my main point. the info that we get from the wagon > the flip

[shellyc]

i wrote that most of shelly's posts are unparseable garbage

can you not fracture my self-esteem thanks

[shellyc]

looks like i wrote about how tay might be coached scum

elaborate on this, don’t get the vibe of coached scum but im def still SRing the slot. im a curious person

[shellyc]

I was joking bugs

also Taylor has offsite experience

[shellyc]

can you explain your trajectory on me, do you think noraa/shelly/Taylor is a team solve and I would bus BOTH partners d1

[shellyc]

redados has offsite experience, they are not a noob either

also I am not a noob as well preemptively saying this

[shellyc]

i am not convinced by the wagon on taylor because i think her approach could be explained by her being an overeager town however her read progression looks really bad at the moment but could be due to her just not explaining it properly plus her lack of defense now makes me actually feel better about the wagon

who are you convinced on then?

[shellyc]

im the town rolestopper.

alrighty
UNVOTE: Taylor swift