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like, geraintm may be wrong in that we shouldn't kill mafia D1
but i highly doubt he's wrong that killing mafia on D1 is < 3/13
i think a large reason for this is a lot of towns will decide on a sort of consensus PoE on the meh inactives if those exist. Probably some of those are town and some are scum (they're usually not all scum at least). so it's not that hard for 3 people to guide the town towards the wrong choice of those. Or, if town is already leaning towards a townie in the PoE, they can kind of backoff the wagon to look good down the line or something.
my point is Anya seems unaligned with other players in this plist given that we have sort of consensus-y inactive PoE. and in these situations i feel that the person it lands on is +rand scum, particularly when there's little to no resistance throughout the game or counterpushes-
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anya (also @George) im surprised neither of you have commented on what I'm doing this game lately and how it might feel familiar?
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so you see scumbuddy Anya getting run up on D1 passively when there are juicy targets like GeorgeBailey and decide to go the distance and bus Anya?In post 1448, Luca Blight wrote:
That’s not really relevant to whether or not she has been townreadinnocentvillager wrote:
let me ask you a question LucaIn post 1442, Luca Blight wrote:...so scum would automatically townread each other?
That’s not how the game works. It’s not as if there’s been much reason to tr Anya, and her scum partners would be extra conscious of that fact
you're scum here with Anya and like one random person like me
is there any reason to let Anya just die here?
but if I were her partner I’d probably be bussing/distancing right about now. Maybe distancing while trying to pull away onto another lurker. It’s difficult to say really as I’d have to weigh everything up
The fact is that scum are very aware of how they will be perceived later on in the game and generally hope that townies will end up doing their dirty work for them
and get 0 cred for your lost partner because 0 people townread Anya?-
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i legitimately don't hate this takeIn post 1416, Luca Blight wrote:I find how consistently inactive George is to be scummy - he makes a post every day or two, just keeping himself out of prod range, and immediately disappears again. It seems somewhat calculated like he’s deliberately just doing enough to remain in the game
because if you’re busy you might not be able to post consistently but you’re more likely to have bursts of activity, which isn’t happening at all with George here-
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i mean +rand TOWN not +rand scumIn post 1449, innocentvillager wrote:my point is Anya seems unaligned with other players in this plist given that we have sort of consensus-y inactive PoE. and in these situations i feel that the person it lands on is+rand scum, particularly when there's little to no resistance throughout the game or counterpushes-
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like reorienting my reads and re-evaluating everyone's slot or smthngIn post 1460, VP Baltar wrote:
You didn't answer either of my questionsIn post 1437, innocentvillager wrote:
yes i understandIn post 1429, VP Baltar wrote:
What are you reorienting from? When is this taking place? We have 3 days.In post 1427, innocentvillager wrote:gth id kill any of {Iconeum, NM, GeorgeBailey}
but i want to reorient first before i commit to any scumreads
if you guys kill Anya before i get a chance to do this then whatever
im not sure when ill reorient and organize my reads. im not sure why it matters so much to you? i said not to wait for me. if y'all want to hammer anya like whatever i guess. maybe even lim me next for scumsiding if she flips red. no one's going to listen to me anyway, for better or worse-
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lolIn post 1461, VP Baltar wrote:
You.In post 1438, innocentvillager wrote:
besides GeorgeBailey's recent random 1-liner, i think the answer to this question is no btw. if someone disagrees please lmk otherwise im going with this interpretationIn post 1337, innocentvillager wrote:okay serious question has anyone townread Anya at any point in the game?
You have townread Anya.
i mean before the point where she was run up and claimed VT and got brutally tunneled by you guys
like are scum reallly hoping that im going to effect enough change to save their partner that they're just sititng back now and doing nothing? i really don't think so-
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i might be full of shit actually bc he's been prodded twice already here too.In post 1458, innocentvillager wrote:is it? i felt like he had more "bursts" that game and got prodded a lot-
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okay thanks for that VPB
yeah this is a weakness of mine, im decent at playing defense but not the offense part--but it's kind of hard practically when we were close to deadline and i don't really strongly offer an alternative. like im just getting pinged that Anya isn't really the right way to go today and i weakly believe George or NM are better yeets but that's not like, anything i feel strongly about.-
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i dont' think i answered thatIn post 1469, Datisi wrote:iv, did you respond to my q about you jumping in to defend wooper about me being null? like i know i asked this already but i genuinely don't remember
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im too lazy to resummarize rn but it's kind of just throughout my recent isoIn post 1471, Datisi wrote:iv, remind me again why you're fine killing george but not anya? is it just the vt claim?
the VT thing is only a part of it
a lot of it is just gamestate tbh, and how george was kind of ran up but ultimately anya was the low content slot people settled on
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you guys should know that this kind of defensive/nonoffensive play isnt' scum indicative from me (e.g. 2180)
it's just not good play (although i think there's still merit to raising concerns about a wagon)
like i said it's a weakness of mine im much worse at the "find scum and push them" offensive part bc it's hard for me to be confidnet about scumreads especially this early-
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any thoughts on this about Gypyx? if you already responded lmkIn post 1403, innocentvillager wrote:do you guys think Gypyx crumbing his role on opening post is town!indicative? i can't help but think that it could be, because he's pigeonholing himself into one exact claim
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George never really got into claim zone. when he did the Anya wagon came up and people just transitioned over.In post 1480, Datisi wrote:ok i reskimmed your recent iso and i don't get it. what about ~the gamestate~. they were both run up. people seemed fine with either. like pls resummarize or link where you explained this bc i don't see it and i'm not buying vague "but the gamestate!!" (like 1449) arguments without them actually being backed up by something
what pool of people are the scumbuddies of Anya in? you can go "preflip associatives' all you want but like, i just don't see which teams are going to play it the way it played
if Anya is scum and GB is town, Anya's yeet was very avoidable. there were plenty of other slots that easily couldve been pushed while people were applying pressure to Anya
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*when his wagon was rising, he didn't get into claim zoneIn post 1500, innocentvillager wrote:when he did-
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you’re aware I said this first right like multiple timesIn post 1526, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I’d vote to kill Anya but i feel like George’s post could be indicative of town!Anya if George is scum?
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Time zone diffs :/In post 1509, Iconeum wrote:instead of saying my name and then going 'makes me uneasy', 'bad vibes', 'who the fuck is ico' etc
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whatever my wording wasn’t entirely accurate the point is George was a wagon then Anya became a bigger one, which means there’s some chance that scum are influencing thisIn post 1525, Datisi wrote:people just transitioned over" is kinda false i think. both wooper and gypyx voted george but never voted anya. likewise, ico/vp/gera voted anya but not george. these wagons aren't the same.-
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doubt wooper just lol!lets anya die like she was going to.In post 1525, Datisi wrote:i hate preflip but if i had to call out a "possible anya scumbuddies pool" i feel like all of {wooper, gypyx, n_m, george, iv, alice} fit from a sorta level-zero vca, where we're not even talking about possible bussing (which frankly i feel like happens every goddamn scum yeet but ok).
and like... is that not what's happening right now? haven't multiple people been pushing away from anya?
gypyx doesn't care enough either
n_m is n_m, ill admit he could be a plausible anya partner
AliceK is doing nothing and maybe could be a plausible anya partner
GeorgeBailey is probably not Anya's partner, terrible positioning around her
i am town-
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i might not be explaining myself very well. i think they're pretty different wagons. Sure they're both on low-content slots, but one of them just has more votes and it stayed that way for longer and there was less pushback on Anya. it looks like there's a lot of resistance to Anya from your perspective but i feel like that's mainly because ive been making a ton of noise lately and people started to go "oh sure let's compete wagons" or smthing. idk. like you don't have the information that im town so it's harder for you to see itIn post 1534, Datisi wrote:
there's a chance that scum are influencing something? in a game of mafia? wow!In post 1533, innocentvillager wrote:
whatever my wording wasn’t entirely accurate the point is George was a wagon then Anya became a bigger one, which means there’s some chance that scum are influencing thisIn post 1525, Datisi wrote:people just transitioned over" is kinda false i think. both wooper and gypyx voted george but never voted anya. likewise, ico/vp/gera voted anya but not george. these wagons aren't the same.
ok but who. like why do you think they're influenceing the anya wagon and not george's. is it me/luca/norwee? why are you fine with george wagon but not anya's then? is it vp/ico? are you pushing either of them?
i just feel like if we are kind of passively whatever wagoning scum D1, we end up with this pool of {George, AliceK, NM, Anya}, the only one that really stuck was Anya. that by itself is a ton of information. it wasn't until i made a big fuss that people started maybe reconsidering, and that happened pretty slowly.
frankly at this point i still don't know what the fuck is going on. people are going back to george kinda and i don't know how i feela bout that either. im burning out a little on this day based on what i feel are a few gut pings that are hard to explain ig but ultimately i am not informed so i cannot tell you who on the wagons i believe are pushing wagons in bad faith. if you guys decide to eliminate anya i won't fault you guys that much, the only thing at fault here is my inability to clearly detail what is going on (for both myself and you gusy)-
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i don't think scum were banking on me (or anyone) to come out and WK their scumbuddy the way i did and THEN make moves to other wagons so in that case you have to kind of believe scum were passively not on Anya or lolbussing her D1 for like, zero towncred whatsoever. if you think there's like a reasonable chance of that happening then that's you r call, im simply saying that it is unlikely-
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im also kind of assuming scumteams on average are playing reasonably well and not like AFK lol our partner's dying like whatever. it's jsut so bad to let the Anya wagon get to where it was and for scum!Anya to get where it was whent here were plenty of other elimbaity slots. like George never got up to that point so i don't really make the same arguments fo rGeorge here.
if we have a pure lurker scumteam/scum just doesn't care about wincon then like sure my analysis is overleveling it a little. i mean that's partially what's giving me doubt here-
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never responded to thisIn post 1505, VP Baltar wrote:
I mean, what if he just claims VT later and has some semi-plausible explanation for why that means VT? Gypyx has a weird mind, so I guess I don't see what he'd claim where he couldn't make SOMETHING sound ok.In post 1504, innocentvillager wrote:im not trying to figure out what it means
but it is clearly a role crumb
if he later says "oh lol that was just me trolling" i would insta-kill gypyx bc that's scummy
like he's basically committing to a claim there regardless
but what do you think his intention is, as scum, is when posting that? i dont' think he's expecting to get townread for that post.
So as scum is it:
1) random nonsense where he's going to go "oh lol it was just a joke" at massclaim
2) an actual crumb of an actual role he has in mind
3) a super big brained move where it can actually crumb like, 5-10 different roles at once
1) - this is unbelievably scummy
2) - okay so this is the pigeonholing scenario we're talking about here, trapping himself into a claim. This i believe is the most likely scum!Gypyx scenario, like maybe his role/partners roles dictates that there's like 1 or 2 roles that he ever claims as scum here idk he's the setup guy.
3) - gj Gypyx i guess? Still pigeonholing himself into those specific roles i guess but it's not terrible
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thank you geraintIn post 1546, geraintm wrote:i would take a coinflip over someone people are pushing any day of the week.
we agree
there's actually a dumb little problem here tho; that N_M isn't actually a coinflip. because scum don't have to let it happen if he's scum. that's why i wish i had dayvig or could have 7 votes.-
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Probably just town
geraintm - probably just town
VP Baltar - this is his townself. opinionated, aggressive, writes well, feels like he's pocketing you but he's not really, practical, VP Baltar that I butt heads with a lot. never played with scum him. he can be town for now.
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Datisi - possibly just town at this point, he's convincingly emulated his townself if he's scum. lot of paranoia and things going on. don't think im ever moving this slot past a townlean, idk why there's always the Dayteezee paranoia.
Gypyx - still don't really think scum claims this early. he's too like, whatever to be scum here imo. maybe he's just chilling doesn't give a fuck though. but he's trying to expand his scumrange and work on not being bad at scum so i don't think his scumplay here is going to be this boring.
Wooper - probably on the slightly townier side of null due to interactions we've. hasn't been here enough. is comfortable with the gamestate if he's scum ig. not aligned with Anya or GB
Anya - i think this slot leans town. the events leading up to Anya wagon did not feel like feel like she was aligned with anyone. I'm a little less sure now that competing wagons actually are like kind of a thing due to me yelling about it but i think i still weigh the prior info more. if she's scum scum are probably more meh slots/lurkers, they're not predicting that im going to singlehandedly WK this slot. Maybe Norway or Luca could be a partner for the moving off, idk. maybe not.
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NorwegianboyEE - aside from the outburst which I still feel was p townie idrk on this slot. he's just not really here which makes it harder to read him because when he's obvtown he's obvtown. Idk he's kind of loosely in my PoE but still on the townier side of it.
Luca Blight - i was townleaning this slot early on but don't really know anymore. he says this game is flat which is why he's not obvtowning but like is it really that bad? maybe it is idk. idk he's kind of more boring this game than i expected town!him to be. scum!him is even more boring, but that scumgame where he snowed town!Datisi looks like less boring so maybe he's just getting better at scum. i legitimately don't hate N_M's Luca is pushing boring slots take here.
GeorgeBailey - im p conflicted on this slot. I don't see why people are calling him super scummy (e.g. Wooper). i think there's some towniness in his half-assed Anya defense and emotion when called out that his tinfoil theory was bad. ive never played with scum!him but he's been 2/2 for super low activity as town. i will kill this slot if it comes to it but im like whatever here i think.
Iconeum - lot of posts and a lot of me going ehhhh what is going on with this slot. We're not yeeting here today and i don't really care
AliceK - lol who even is this. they're gone. their posting is uninspiring and terse. a wagon appeared on her and disappeared to George/Anya and we all just forgot about her.
NM - we can't get support for this wagon even though it's going to be impossible to yeet him later. i think that's scum indicative honestly-
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does this include meIn post 1557, Datisi wrote:like i agree with vp i very much feel like scum are trying to run the clock down and whoever is town doing that, please fucking stop and actually contribute to this game you signed up to play-
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actuall you're probably at the bottom of my townleans. idk you were the person "least in my PoE"In post 1563, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Nice one IV. Woohoo! *Clap clap*
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this?In post 675, Luca Blight wrote:My holiday is over but now my schedule is up in the air due to covid lockdowns, so I’m not sure how active I’ll be going forward but I’ll try my best.
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Datisi, IV, Norwee, Baltar, Geraint
That’s kinda where I’m at right now. I don’t have any significant sr’s at this point and am still waiting for certain players to start doing stuff
pedit: sorry I that is not what i meant. I meant it's going to be nearly impossible to read him later based on giving him more time to play/provide content-
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i was pretty in favor of this lol..In post 1764, Wooper wrote:Not mafia is an actually viable policy elim who isn't being discussed-
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yeah ive had weeks to claim too igIn post 1817, geraintm wrote:they've had weeks to claim if they wanted to
pedit: lmao i was p sad when you died, should've hammered marci. shame we lost that game-
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the feeling is mutualIn post 1829, VP Baltar wrote:IV is generally going on about things that don't mean anything.-
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i mean without me anya definitely would've died todayIn post 1855, VP Baltar wrote:
I'll be real, you feel off to me this game a bit. I understand we butt heads sometimes, but I think I've been OK at telling when you're town after our first game together. You seem off to me ..or at least ineffectual...in your pushes here.In post 1850, innocentvillager wrote:
the feeling is mutualIn post 1829, VP Baltar wrote:IV is generally going on about things that don't mean anything.
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i mean sure we all played our part but i think it's obvious that my big loud defense of Anya and the interactions that followed was what made some people at least reconsider. i don't even know how i feel about all that now tbh, maybe i just scumsided and anya really is scum idk. she didn't die today after all-
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