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[Aristeia]

I got a town PM this time

Datisi did you?

[Aristeia]

you know i could never be evil against you ^_^

I was so sad without you you wouldn't even know because you've never rolled scum against me!!!!!!!!!!!

[Aristeia]

my solve is currently datsi/NM/T3

dont @me

[Aristeia]

I like Kyouko, I think the confusion about the IC probably comes more from town than scum.

VOTE: Datsi

I have a weird feeling this flips scum here.

[Aristeia]

I do assume it's more likely for a lone townie to skim over the IC announcement than for all the mafia players to skim over the IC announcement and don't really talk about it.

[Aristeia]

he probably is

[Aristeia]

Sometimes you get lucky and become one of the ones that enjoy being scum

It is an acquired taste!

Spoiler: For Datisi <3

[Aristeia]

@Aristeia - Could you go into some of these in some level of depth?

if you pull up gamma emerald(datsi)'s iso, he doesn't talk very much about NM, just a throwaway comment about not remembering NM claiming miller before

he has NM as dead null in his list.

I think this means they are mafia together.

T3 feels kind of listless/boring, them losing interest in a game usually leans more scum indicative for me.

[Aristeia]

They have history together.

It'd be like if I joined this game and didn't talk with you.

It would be very weird

[Aristeia]

viewtopic.php?t=87412&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

[Aristeia]

Gamma was very tilted by NM in 2170 and starts this game off weary of him and sorting him actively, even go as far as to be worried when MC TRs NM.

Here he is not very interested in NM at all.

[Aristeia]

They have history together.

It'd be like if I joined this game and didn't talk with you.

It would be very weird

Gamma tends to just kind of ignore me as of late

do you have a completed game for me to look at with Gamma?

[Aristeia]

why are you still voting for gamma then?

[Aristeia]

I am happy you are back T3!

[Aristeia]

VOTE: T3

[Aristeia]

we should kill T3 since he's scum claimed

[Aristeia]

i said he was scum because he wasn't enthusiastic and in response he decided to spampost a bunch of nonsense

[Aristeia]

also i still think gamma is probably mafia and maybe not with NM

I'm too lazy to figure out who #3 is can we just kill t3

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Datisi

[Aristeia]

I'm also ok with killing NM now that I think about it some more.

there is some chance he is mafia and if he is town it is ok since he usually scumsides anyway so it's not really a loss if we flip town NM

[Aristeia]

that came out meaner than I would've liked.

I would like to see NM try at least somewhat

[Aristeia]

I would say the probability of Gamma being scum is higher than the probability of NM being scum since I can see Scum!Gamma treating Town!Nm like this also.

however I am ok with killing NM because NM!town has tilted me in the last few games we've played together and he is closer to his scum meta than his town meta

[Aristeia]

you are so silly datisi

if you want me to vote iv you need but ask

VOTE: iv

i would do anything for you

[Aristeia]

if you want me to vote iv you need but ask

i don't *want* you to vote iv, i want to see what you say about him without my direct prompting, and it seemed like that answer was "nothing"

did you have no thoughts on him prior to his posting on the last page?

IV hasn't really done anything in the game and I've never played with him before so why would I have thoughts on him?

[Aristeia]

To be clear, I'm not frustrated that people are FoS'ing me. I'm frustrated that people seem so resistant to getting a player up against a wall d1

this feels townie to me

welcome to the site Margot!

: )

[Aristeia]

this feels kinda organic

Do you think it's AI?

[Aristeia]

I feel like she raises valuable point against T3 and wanted to see how she responded to me voting there
ngl, not exactly a fan of what I saw

what do you mean?

[Aristeia]

I just want to kill IV because I am very jealous he is getting all of Datisi's attention

[Aristeia]

get in line Ari I’m always datisi’s front and center

I know !

it's infuriating !!

[Aristeia]

Dwlee, I'm town

You should vote for someone who's actually bad.

I think you will be happier if you do this.

[Aristeia]

>:(

[Aristeia]

the IC really is wasted on Roden

VOTE: t3

[Aristeia]

But town likes to claim scum and shit push me when I'm not confirmed inno

I think your playstyle is pretty divergent and fairly easy to read

[Aristeia]

datsi
T3
ChaosOmega
innocentvillager

my list is shorter than dwlee's so i'm automatically better than him *happy*

[Aristeia]

the IC really is wasted on Roden

VOTE: t3

Why? -_-

You only show up to post when someone mentions your name and then you spam a bunch of nonsense, it feels like you're following along/reading but only contributing when you feel threatened and your contributions don't even make sense.

[Aristeia]

I voted your leading suspect because I liked the logic, you should show some enthusiasm that your suspect is getting traction and that maybe you’re enticing scum to bus
Instead you developed cold feet on T3 entirely in favor of pushing IV for taking Datisi’s attention

?

I didn't develop cold feet on T3

I still want to kill T3,

I like sheeping Datisi when he expresses confidence.

It is fun and besides it's more likely things happen when there is actual pressure rather than just you and I voting T3.

[Aristeia]

it's kind of funny if you try to say it with a straight face.

[Aristeia]

idk

datisi - i honestly have no idea on datisi nothing he's done makes me think town or scum. push on me was bad but i can see it from scum him too. sorry dayteezee i know u are good at getting ppl to townread you but not me yet. i feel like as i keep interacting with you ill get a better sense for your alignment

salsa - i get a T3/unabombah vibe from this slot very spammy and ico style catchup lol. granted una was scum in the game im thinking of but vibe here is very frazzled. idk i can't really put into words here yet but meh.

dwlee - i think some of their earlier posting was fine and reminiscent of our recent game but i wasn't exactly trying to read dwlee there so idk this reread dwlee didn't stand out like at all. idk

also I townread everyone in this section so uh lol?

[Aristeia]

i mean it could just be IV/T3/Datsi

[Aristeia]

VOTE: IV


mostly gut I would say.

this is back to 5 votes by my count.

[Aristeia]

I don’t think I can back a lim on IV atp
I was kinda having pause because he felt genuine emotionally but wasn’t sure whether he could emote like that as scum, but thinking about it his read on me feels really well reasoned at least

I don't see why scum!IV wouldn't also be upset about being run up

[Aristeia]

Also, his read on me is like, honestly the biggest towntell I can pinpoint, my play here is literally the antithesis of the game he’s comparing to where I was scum, so regardless of your read on me IV should be obvious town

I don't understand this

[Aristeia]

His frustration doesn’t feel warped though
When I express my emotions as scum I always present my real emotions just molded to suit my agenda somewhat

Do you think it's legitimate for him to be upset at being run up on D1 if he "forgot" about the game?

I don't think he cares very much about this game because he "forgot" about it even existing.

Why would he be upset about a game that he doesn't care about? It doesn't make sense to me.

[Aristeia]

@Mod you are missing Roden's vote on IV

[Aristeia]

It’s the way he noticed it, I feel like there’s ways he could have spun it to not TR me for it, so unless he’s literally trying to pocket me specifically I think he’s just town

why would a person tring you make them obvious town? Do you think scum don't like to TR townies?

I am confused by this.

[Aristeia]

It boils down to the nature of the TR
Anyway, why are you taking my argument at face value like this if you presumably think I could be partnered with IV?

I believe in treating everyone with good faith because I can always be wrong.

[Aristeia]

he forgot he was bussing

[Aristeia]

why is salsa hard town and why are you voting a null town?

mindmelt
cuz

This is approaching performance art levels of scummy now

[Aristeia]

Currently my readlist is like this:

Sweeter than the first Dewdrops of the Morning:

Datisi

Foamy Ocean Waves upon the Sand:

Dwlee, Salsa, Kyouko

A Forest Blooming in the Springtime:

Margot, Mewtaph

The taste of ash in the air after a Great Fire:

Datsi, Not_Mafia, ChaosOmega

Fire and Blood:

T3, IV

[Aristeia]

I don't have a lot of experience playing with IV so I am kind of relying on your experience here, however I don't think he's posted anything that makes me think he is trying to be active in advancing the game state - it's mostly "how dare you vote me" AtE which is very bleh to me.

[Aristeia]

Also I found it weird that his emotional reaction feels very controlled, he seems to be only getting upset at certain people voting for him.

[Aristeia]

if you are relying on datisi’s experience here why am I still deep in your scumreads? I’m confused

Datisi didn't say he townread you, he just said he got cold feet about elimming you on d1.

[Aristeia]

What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air

basically the E1 and direct ask for claim at that point was rolefishy, opportunistic, unnecessary and therefore bad

i could totally see someone just outing their role and claiming there

also for how much she complained about pressure alleviating on me where the fuck is she to put more pressure on me?

not trying to be a hypocrite so this part comes with a grain of salt but it’s been 3 days since the flashwagon and she’s barely been here, does she really care about this

meh it’s mostly about the Claim I just want an answer to at this point. Less that I actually think she’s like lockscum

I don't understand this.

You're saying she's scummy for putting you at E-1 and she's also scummy for not pressuring you?

[Aristeia]

Ari it’s not about “how dare you vote me”

Datisi knows me well and I initially took issue with the push reasoning and margot’s E1 was really harmful the other wagon votes are like whatever I would do that too I don’t see why those votes are scummy necessarily

I also don’t like how you are reducing my posting to just that piece it makes me think you stopped trying to read me after that one string of posts (and given that you’re ignoring me)

can you answer my question now? it’s in my iso twice

If Datisi knows you well then why are you surprised that he thinks you disappearing at the start of the game is scum!indicative? Is his meta on you inaccurate?


I like how dwlee's posting has depth that feels closer to his town game than his scum game. I also don't think scum!him would approach my slot by voteparking me because I don't think scum!him really wants to push town!me since he's played with me before.

I like Datisi's aggression, I think there's a confidence in his town!game that he can't quite replicate exactly in his scum!game - I don't think he's very good at faking conviction when he rolls red and I'd be pleasantly surprised if he was actually scum here.

Salsa just feels very town to me, her stream of consciousness posting feels real - the one game I've seen of hers where she's scum she is a lot more performative and fake sounding - here I think she is pursuing real thoughts.

[Aristeia]

is she telling lies there? because if not, i don't feel like prying about a potential alt is gonna net you any good

good catch on n_m though, @aristeia?

I realized it doesn't actually mean much for NM's alignment for Gamma to treat him that way, it says more about Gamma's alignment than NM's - I find the arguments made that NM is miller because he wouldn't claim miller as scum make some sense.

[Aristeia]

im willing to kill nm because im kind of annoyed at him gamethrowing last time we were t/t

he quickhammered my lover pair and then self hammered himself the next day to end the game for a scum win.

if he is town he might as well be playing for the other side

[Aristeia]

I like how dwlee's posting has depth that feels closer to [their] town game than [their] scum game. I also don't think scum![them] would approach my slot by voteparking me because I don't think scum![them] really wants to push town!me since [they've] played with me before.

Also idk when Aristeia has seen my scum game to know this

sorry for misgendering ! oops :<

[Aristeia]

this btw is the game I am talking about:

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=87638


he is town in this one and at least interested in voting scum but he decides to instead hammer townpair then hammer himself to game throw

so i'm fine with elimming NM even if he is a miller because he's just deadweight and not really helpful to our win condition

also I am just angry and spiteful sometimes.

[Aristeia]

VOTE: Margot

Kinda losing motivation this game tbh. Genuinely hope scum just kills me because this game is becoming so unnecessarily unfun.

: (


this is kind of what scum has to do tho to win. make your life unfun and make you not want to play. don't give in. fight the emotional manipulation.

kill them without mercy

[Aristeia]

It a sort of hitting-your-head-against-a-wall tone I feel like scum typically display when trying to sway an IC or pseudo-IC

tbh not trying to be mean but i find roden pretty annoying (just this game nothing personal) and i kind of vibed with Mew's sentiment myself so i don't see it as scummy. like i just don't really want to interact with him because he's just been dead set on voteparking me, claiming the only thing i do is AtE making it seem like im some super scum for that, taking potshots at me, calling me elim-bait etc. and ari just gets to sheep him because he's IC and i don't really feel like i can do anything about this situation. idk im in kind of a unique spot for him tho

You literally haven't even attempted to talk to me yet. Saying I'm annoying for making my case on you is just wild if you aren't going to do anything to convince me I'm wrong. Especially when all you've done is complain about Datisi and Margot.

i mean you haven't attempted to talk to me either and everytime you mention me it feels like you're potshotting me hard

ever since you last voted me you kept your vote on me pretty consistently so it feels like you're set on voteparking me, idk why you think im misrepping you there? and you even called me elimbait that never ever makes it to elo so?

im not trying to be a dick sorry if ive coming off as one it's just how i felt

this is so manipulative

your entire game plan is to be a dick to the people voting for you

you're like a giant omgusy hedgehog

[Aristeia]

honestly like if you're town what r u even doing

[Aristeia]

why do you two keep calling me manipulative

I believe the emotions you put into the thread are carefully curated to manipulate the people reading them and not geniune.

[Aristeia]

in a nicer way (sorry) how is this advancing the game state forward other than just making each other more agitated?

how is it not advancing the game state for me to advocate for the elimination of someone I scumread for being super manipulative with his emotional output?

[Aristeia]

i mostly skimmed through it because it didn't really seem productive - looking back now, i don't agree with ari's take that you're being like, carefully manipulative or whatever, but her play otherwise vaguely reminds me of 2226 (and i'm still unsure if i have a solid townread on you) that i didn't feel a need to interfere

I don't even have words for how tragic this is.

[Aristeia]

I was referring to my back and forth with roden

but I don’t feel like I got anything out of that interaction and I feel like roden just tunneling me more/didn’t get AI material or thinks he got scum indicative materia because I got tilted again

i don’t see how that was a productive back and forth

separately I also don’t like how you are literally just ganging up with the IC on me on everything it feels like it’s literally just you two presenting the same arguments and problems vs me

it kind of feels a little pockety to me tbh/like you’re validating him

but you’re also so aggressive like idk if it comes from scum you this blatantly.

I am presenting my interpretation of your play to the people who are not voting you.

If they choose to ignore me and let you skate by and you end up winning as scum then I can say I did my best.

I'm not here to convince you that you're scum.

[Aristeia]

I don't think either of them have claimed being scum read is damaging to their mental health and the line of thought is dangerously close to making this game unplayable

[Aristeia]

like honestly this game is not playable if every town player says "you can't suspect me because I can't handle being scumread for mental health reasons." and scum are what, not allowed to say that because they'll be ostracized and blacklisted?

that's not even a mafia game.

[Aristeia]

and I don't think either Mewtaph or IV have said anything approaching "you can't suspect me because I can't handle it for mental health reasons."

[Aristeia]

I mean I don't think either of those interactions is saying "I can't handle being scumread because mental health"

They don't want to interact with you and they laid out their emotions why.

[Aristeia]

its not like IV is going to come shade you like he did for the other people who voted him since you're an IC so the only way he handles your slot is saying you're annoying and he doesn't want to interact with you.

That's why IV is just super shady to me, he doesn't actually care if the people voting him have good reasons to vote him, it's just full press on AtE and throwing shade at anyone who dares to suspect him which is kind of ridiculous.

[Aristeia]

faking an emotional response is a standard part of a social deduction game,

if you say that emotions can't be faked and you will never play with someone who is faking an emotional response then um that's not really playing mafia?

If anyone actually has mental health issues due to playing this game, I would assume they would just replace out in order to prioritize their actual well-being over a silly text based game.

[Aristeia]

I'm getting repeatedly told by two different players that they refuse to talk to me, and imply I've done or said something genuinely damaging. Faking an emotional response, and claiming harm to one's emotional state, are just two completely different things and takes this game to a place that makes it impossible for me to actually play.

Genuinely, what am I supposed to do here?

I do not think either of them have claimed that they have been mentally harmed by your actions in this game.

I also don't think your actions would lead to mental harm of anyone, I don't think any of your actions have crossed that particular line.

Expressing suspicion of people is just how the game is played.

Claiming that someone's suspicion of you has caused you serious mental harm is not.

[Aristeia]

y'all just *really* want to kill any desire i have to play this game, huh?

I'm sorry

I'm sorry

I'm sorry

Spoiler: For Datisi

[Aristeia]

VOTE: T3

[Aristeia]

Datisi I'm sad you don't even talk to me anymore

[Aristeia]

i'm sorry aristeia, my fever got worse today and i am not my usual charming self right now the only reason i am her eis bc deadline is soon, my current brainpower is below zero otherwise

oh noooooooo

I hope you feel better sooon!!!!!!!!




I was beginning to get worried you were avoiding me because you felt guilty about being mafia or something

[Aristeia]

Going to need to take a couple days V/LA. Apologies. Five year long relationship just ended out of nowhere and for no discernible reason

~sending you hugs from far away~

[Aristeia]

IV/T3 probably both scum

[Aristeia]

I feel like if T3 was scum, he would have jumped on the iv wagon for towncred. It's possible both of the big wagons at the end of D1 were on scum, but not super likely I think.

VOTE: Aristeia

Top 2 scum reads are Ari and datsi, but I think it's fairly unlikely they're the last 2 scum given their interactions so far. Ari's pivot from iv to T3 on 1117 is not a great look given the timing and wagon sizes at that point.

so T3 would've voted IV for towncred but me who spent most of my day talking about how IV is a scumbag using AtE to defend himself, I wouldn't vote him for towncred?

Do you actually read what you post before you post it?


VOTE: T3

[Aristeia]

I'm getting repeatedly told by two different players that they refuse to talk to me, and imply I've done or said something genuinely damaging. Faking an emotional response, and claiming harm to one's emotional state, are just two completely different things and takes this game to a place that makes it impossible for me to actually play.

Genuinely, what am I supposed to do here?

I do not think either of them have claimed that they have been mentally harmed by your actions in this game.

I also don't think your actions would lead to mental harm of anyone, I don't think any of your actions have crossed that particular line.

Expressing suspicion of people is just how the game is played.

Claiming that someone's suspicion of you has caused you serious mental harm is not.

like if the IC is going to townread my partner for "emotional response reasons" why would I spend like 10 posts telling him NO NO NO this is wrong?

[Aristeia]

votecount 1.14

T3 (5) :

Salsabil Faria ; Roden ; Aristeia ; Datsi ; Datisi

Exe-2

Innocentvillager (2) :

ChaosOmega ; Not_Mafia

MargotRosa (2) :

innocentvillager ; Mewtaph

ssbm_Kyouko (2) :

Dwlee99 ; T3

Not_Mafia (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1) :

MargotRosa

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-01 20:18:31) or when a wagon reaches majority at 7 votes

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Spoiler:

There can be no hope in this Hell. No hope at all...

There is no reason why scum!iv doesn't vote for T3 in order to get t3 elimed over himself cuz yesterday was basically between t3/iv

putting T3 at E-1 is essentially hammering as NM is off the wagon.

I think Margot is obvtown since IV's reaction to her voting him was crazy

T3 makes the most sense imo as the bus vote on the initial IV wagon

[Aristeia]

Mafia Innocent Child Finder Vigilante Finder

btw this is such a troll role

gypyx you are hilaroius

[Aristeia]

I like my datsi/t3/IV solve

I think Margot/Datisi<3 are locktown atp.

[Aristeia]

VOTE: chaos
i'm dying today aren't i

if your kneejerk reaction to being wagoned is to vote your last scum partner im going to be so disappointed

[Aristeia]

i think she's town rn

[Aristeia]

I'm still not sure about T3. I'm not going to stand in the way of it, because I'm out of *hard* reads right now, but this just reads too much like WIFOM. Like, if T3 is scum, why in the world don't they vote each other as contingency?

If T3 is town, why does IV not vote him and let NM hammer rather than take the fall himself?

[Aristeia]

I don't think T3 has ever left anti-spew mode

[Aristeia]

t3 is better to kill 100% of the time with how the wagons played out

also IV tmi'd NM town when he said NM conftown

[Aristeia]

I don't think Margot!scum makes 1192 about IV-scum.

Also don't think Datisi's push on IV and IV's reaction to Datisi make sense for S/S

[Aristeia]

Dwlee is a really weird kill

[Aristeia]

good night!

[Aristeia]

I think the way the T3/IV wagons played out at end of day now that we know it was T v S

the last 2 scum could just be Datsi/Salsa

[Aristeia]

votecount 1.13

T3 (3) :

Salsabil Faria ; Roden ; Aristeia

Innocentvillager (3) :

MargotRosa ; ChaosOmega ; Not_Mafia

MargotRosa (3) :

innocentvillager ; Mewtaph ; T3

ssbm_Kyouko (3) :

Datsi ; Datisi ; Dwlee99

Not voting (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-30 20:18:31) or when a wagon reaches majority at 7 votes

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V/LA regisitered Margot, sorry about what's happening to you, hope things will turn out good there

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i'm a sleepy fuck, flavor is that there is no flavor

so we're tied here at 3-3-3-3

Datsi votes for T3 -> 4
MR votes for T3 -> 5 unvotes immediately "panick NM is in the game" really don't think she says this for T3-town

Datsi says this about MR: "Interesting Margot shows this caution for T3 but not for IV"

^ hate this

Datisi votes for T3 -> 5 votes <says it's NM-1, it's not>

brings us to this VC:

votecount 1.14

T3 (5) :

Salsabil Faria ; Roden ; Aristeia ; Datsi ; Datisi

Exe-2

Innocentvillager (2) :

ChaosOmega ; Not_Mafia

MargotRosa (2) :

innocentvillager ; Mewtaph

ssbm_Kyouko (2) :

Dwlee99 ; T3

Not_Mafia (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1) :

MargotRosa

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-01 20:18:31) or when a wagon reaches majority at 7 votes

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Spoiler:

There can be no hope in this Hell. No hope at all...

Dwlee votes for IV ->3
Kyouko votes for IV -> 4
NM votes for T3 -> 6(e-1) [This is as close as T3 gets to being elimmed on D1] IV->3

MR posts 1192 which imo is huge votes for IV->4 and this turns the tide from an T3 elim on d1 to an IV elim
Roden unvotes T3 ->5 , says he is willing to vote IV.

Datsi says:
1195
"IV vote T3" <quite bad imo>

Roden votes for IV -> 5
Datsi says this could be Radio Buzz all over again
Salsa says she is "ok to vote IV"

IV self-votes, says he's a VT ->6
Enchant hammers -> 7

I think in sequence Salsa/Datsi look the worse and most likely to be IV partners through the entire progression.

[Aristeia]

datiiiiiiiiisiiiiiiiiii

[Aristeia]

more likely that vig is one shot or odd night imo

no point to speculate vig identity

[Aristeia]

i think if anyone reads my interaction with IV and how i called him out for manipulating emotions they would know i am not aligned with him.

[Aristeia]

more likely that vig is one shot or odd night imo

no point to speculate vig identity

Surely.

Who you think is maf?

i said in my analysis i believe the last 2 are datsi/salsa

[Aristeia]

I have no reason to spend so many posts to tell Roden not to townbin IV when he thought IV was inno due to emotional manipulation if I am IV-partner

[Aristeia]

I have no reason to spend so many posts to tell Roden not to townbin IV when he thought IV was inno due to emotional manipulation if I am IV-partner

What is my reason to kill person who townread me strongly from D1 where I get eliminated all the time as any alignment?

are you seriously asking me why the scum shot the IC?

[Aristeia]

Still wondering what IV wanted to achieve by selfvoting.

probably ate or make t3 look bad after he flipped red esp since datsi/me both thought it looked like s/s

[Aristeia]

kyouko you are just wrong

[Aristeia]

I have no reason to spend so many posts to tell Roden not to townbin IV when he thought IV was inno due to emotional manipulation if I am IV-partner

What is my reason to kill person who townread me strongly from D1 where I get eliminated all the time as any alignment?

are you seriously asking me why the scum shot the IC?

Since when

T3

was an ic??

?

i thought you were talking about roden

what does you voting for t3 have to do with anything?

[Aristeia]

VOTE: datsi

i feel the most confident about this slot flipping red

i think last one is probably salsa but that is less confident

If you reread eod1 - I think its quite clear Datsi approached it in a very agenda'd manner.

[Aristeia]

I would really be shocked if Margot was red here.

[Aristeia]

Ari, are you just ignoring my 1369 because no one seems to give a shit about it?

datsi, how likely do you think it is both remaining scum were on the iv wagon D1?

I am ignoring your case because it is too stupid to address

[Aristeia]

^And maybe in saying IV TMIed N_M as town, Aristea shows her own TMI

maybe i am just a better player than you

[Aristeia]

also if i was scum i would have shot kyouko since she is a vig

[Aristeia]

also you dont see a agenda in datsi posting because you are just not very good at reading for agendas


this is like you misreading galron in radio buzz

when i flip town dont shoot yourself with your gun

shoot datsi for me thx

[Aristeia]

sure whatever kyouko

[Aristeia]

if you r voting me after reading the way i interacted with iv and u happen to be town

you are just really very very bad at reading for agenda

[Aristeia]

maybe you r just lazy player and dont care or w/e

that is fine too

[Aristeia]

look at my interaction with iv and datsi interaction

it is night and day difference and quite obvious which one is more likely to be iv partner

not even in the same zip code.

[Aristeia]

if all you are looking at is the VC at end of day and not looking at how I shut down IV's emotional manipulation at every turn and talked our IC out of townbinning him for his bullshit emotional manipulation and ate then frankly you are just an incredibly lazy player and not doing even 5% of what you should be doing to help town win this game.

[Aristeia]

I feel like Aristea has an agenda right now - to push datsi because he was reading T3 and IV wagons as SvS. I also read them that way and I went back to reread end of D1 and don't see agenda in datsi's posting. It seems clear that he believes the wagons are SvS and is trying to sus that out, hence his 1195. For as confident as she claims to be the push feels limp - I'm not moved by "i feel the most confident about this slot flipping red," nor "kyouko you are just wrong."

this is so wrong and so bad its like you didnt even read my post

[Aristeia]

i am voting datsi because he went at t3 and tried to get him elimmed over IV and literally told IV in thread to vote for T3 and never even mentioned svs until AFTER margot/roden swung the wagon to even and momentum broke the other way

at that point he never even had a progression on IV being scum!!!!! he just randomly added that at end of day AFTER the momentum had broken the other way and it was clear the oppurtunity to vote for T3 had slipped away.

IV probly self voted because datsi was yelling at him in their scum pt for not hammering T3 when he had the chance to.

r u even reading the game !?!?!

[Aristeia]

kyouko this is the same as your bullshit push on galron

you have not changed one bit

[Aristeia]

just have fun being wrong over and over

[Aristeia]

dont talk to me again this game pls

[Aristeia]

just dont self vote and get yourself killed tomm if u flip me because tomm is mylo

[Aristeia]

its a reasonable thought to have if he had been thinking T3 is scum

its not a reasonable thought to have when hes been hardpushing t3 and ignoring iv.

its completely different.

he was LITERALLY TELLING IV to VOTE for T3 when T3 was close to being elimmed

does that sound like he actually suspects IV!?!?!

[Aristeia]

whats my incentive to shut down IV's ate and not let the IC pocket him again?

why do i do that?

[Aristeia]

assuming im his teammate why do i call him out for emotional manipulation etc if the IC is ready to townbin him off it?

[Aristeia]

if im trying to get towncred for shutting iv down why wouldnt i just vote for him then?

do you even understand how this works?

[Aristeia]

like you seem to think i decided to spend most of d1 ripping iv apart and then decided to not get the towncred due to me by voting for him?

like wtf ?

[Aristeia]

its like you didnt even read day 1

[Aristeia]

i voted t3 because he kept burstspamming random 1 liners that made no sense and thats how he played as scum in the last game i played with him

[Aristeia]

because t3 spammed a bunch of nonsense in the thread which made me lose what little patience i had for his nonsense

[Aristeia]

why would me talking to roden about his IV read make me scumread IV more?

if someone tells me they townread ____ and i dont agree with their townread, that doesnt make me scumread ____ even more.

[Aristeia]

well kyouko says im wrong so w/e

[Aristeia]

im saying if i was scum i wouldve shot kyouko cuz i think shes the vig

since kyouko is alive im not scum

[Aristeia]

is this some dumb pivot from salsa scum lol

[Aristeia]

its reasonable for me to think iv/t3 r scum/scum because I spent all of d1 suspecting both of them and voting for both of them

it is not reasonable for datsi to have that thought because he was hardpushing t3 and didnt even really suspect IV.

[Aristeia]

just dont self vote and get yourself killed tomm if u flip me because tomm is mylo

Don’t know why you keep repeating this but

ssbm

don't self vote.

because the last time i saw kyouko hardpush a townie to death she decided to suicide vote herself the day after and almost threw the game to the scum.

[Aristeia]

were you involved with that game...?

how is this even a relevant question?

[Aristeia]

I really don't know what you want from me. Fuck it, whatever, I'll just town lock you forever since I'm apparently an asshole if I don't.

^

this is from roden to IV

[Aristeia]

he was ready to throw IV into the townlock forever vault

look at that convo

im like the only person telling roden no no no

do you actually think it makes sense for me to do that as IV partner!??!?!

[Aristeia]

its irrelevant because we r 1 day from mylo and we have an IC for them to shoot at

[Aristeia]

vig claims at mylo r counter claimable

vig claims b4 mylo arent.

[Aristeia]

just dont self vote and get yourself killed tomm if u flip me because tomm is mylo

Don’t know why you keep repeating this but

ssbm

don't self vote.

because the last time i saw kyouko hardpush a townie to death she decided to suicide vote herself the day after and almost threw the game to the scum.

I maintain my play improved town's chances at winning that game - there may have been a better line to take, but I feel like I got there in the end.

that game should have been over on d2/d3 but instead you threw so hard that the last scum got to elo and the town was 1 wrong vote from losing.

If scum had shot someone other than pooky or skitter picks wrong, town loses.

[Aristeia]

What happened in mini 2226?

One of Aristeia’s strong SRs (MegAzumarill) was eliminated D1 and flipped town, and D2 she lacked any conviction to her play. This whole game she’s been pushing me and T3 as partners, T3 flipped town yesterday, and she’s shown none of the same doubt she had in that game. And before you ask Aristeia was town in mini 2226.
I also feel like there’s similar tonal indicators to her play in MBOS 13.

In that game I was not right about anything so I felt a lack of confidence. In this game I was 1000% correct on IV being emotionally manipulative and stopped Roden from townbinning him so I feel justified in being right.

Also T3 played very scummily and basically lolcatted the entire game which caused almost everyone here to misread him except Margot so I don't feel any particular guilt for being wrong on him.

If you're going to compare my play to MBOS, notice how in MBOS I hard defend my partner (RCEnigma) who has basically flaked out of the game and is barely even playing.

If I got to 200 miles per hour to defend a teammate who isn't even playing - why would I be ripping IV who is obviously much more invested and actually trying?

I am not much of a busser and I mostly support my teammates in thread - you will never see be go after them.

[Aristeia]

I really don't know what you want from me. Fuck it, whatever, I'll just town lock you forever since I'm apparently an asshole if I don't.

^

this is from roden to IV

This was a genuine frustration Roden was having that he expressed sarcastically - he was not actually intending to locktown IV

Maybe you should read the conversation I had with Roden

he was not being sarcastic

he was asking me how he could possibly scumread IV because of mental damage.

[Aristeia]

i also kinda went through gamma and aristeia, and brain empty. i feel like my reasoning for ari!town is at least somewhat solid (at least until tomorrow until i hopefully gain more strength to actually read through what she was pushing against iv and the context around it), and gamma does look bad i guess, but idk. i'm not vibing with that read either. maybe the fact he townbinned quite a bit of people in that one post? i thought scum would've been using my absence to push me? maybe not necessarily. anyway, subject to change when he addresses whatever i asked him in the bigger post.

what are the odds the solve is something stupid like salsa/margot?

I really really doubt Margot is scum

she votes for T3 in 1147

instantly regrets it and unvotes 3 minutes later in 1148

I really doubt scum!margot does this performatively - she is re-evaluating in real time.

1149 she explains why she panicks.

Datsi shades her with:

1151 : "Interesting Margot shows this caution for T3 but not for IV"

1161: Her response is very good: "I was also less cautious because I thought IV was probably scum, whereas T3 is Town"

1192: is her big case on IV - she completely changes the tide of this game. Without this post I highly doubt IV gets eliminated on D1 and there's no way I think she does this to her own teammate.

[Aristeia]

okay i had another day that was shite metal-health-wise but i am making an effort in this game god fucking dammit

I hope you feel better soon Datisi <3

[Aristeia]

I really don't know what you want from me. Fuck it, whatever, I'll just town lock you forever since I'm apparently an asshole if I don't.

^

this is from roden to IV

This was a genuine frustration Roden was having that he expressed sarcastically - he was not actually intending to locktown IV

Exactly

the idea that roden was sarcastic about townbinning iv/mew for ate is the most insane thing i have ever read

[Aristeia]

no

that is not what happened

just read the posts omg

[Aristeia]

no

we can ask roden in the postgame

i am 10000% convinced i am correct

if he was being sarcastic we would not even hae a conversation

[Aristeia]

i tr kyouko i think her vote and d1 look very town+

also kyo having bad ideas is more town indicative than scum indicative

[Aristeia]

enchant is conf town

I have fairly good reasons to townbin Margot and Datisi for how they interacted with IV on D1

Kyouko feels tonally like she is playing her town-game and she voted for IV on D1.

Chaos Omega has a good vote on IV, wanted to kill Datsi d1, also the general tone of his push on me just feels like he kind of believes that I'm actually maf

So my POE is just Datsi / Salsa at this point.

~.~

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: CO posts about Datsi

VOTE: datsi

I've re-read, but I still don't have a great bearing on things. Top scumreads are datsi, Dwlee, and iv. datsi's progression on Margot (from 203 to 267 to 269) reads weird, like you want to keep on Datisi's good side but didn't actually change the read at all. 289 also has a weird vibe, really just the "I am loathe to use it as the primary evidence for a push" part. The tone is weirdly cautious, and given the light push (492) and then defending the slot (711/714) later, it reads partner-y. The sequence 508/616/630/690/698, datsi drops the thread and doesn't mention Ari again, it doesn't read like datsi is trying to solve Ari's slot.

Dwlee, 66 gives them a reason not to be NK'd, a claim wasn't necessary there as part of the reaction test. It's already been commented on, but the early buddying with Datisi reads odd. It's so over the top to the point that it doesn't read as trying to pocket, but still odd. Speaking of lame reaction tests, they spend multiple posts on multiple people asking for opinions on Roden. Obviously a joke, but it's made in a way to look vaguely productive like they're doing a reaction test. 287 gives similar vibes to datsi's 269 earlier. If you think it makes him likelier to be scum, then push him and get something out of him, the hand-wringing here is weird.

Getting ready to eat dinner, will follow up on this later with iv.

I feel like if T3 was scum, he would have jumped on the iv wagon for towncred. It's possible both of the big wagons at the end of D1 were on scum, but not super likely I think.

VOTE: Aristeia

Top 2 scum reads are Ari and datsi, but I think it's fairly unlikely they're the last 2 scum given their interactions so far. Ari's pivot from iv to T3 on 1117 is not a great look given the timing and wagon sizes at that point.

@ChaosOmega

Actually given what you wrote about Datsi, why are you not up for killing Datsi today?

[Aristeia]

I doubt we have any more power than the vig because 2 ICs + vig is already pretty strong and we obviously don't have a protective since the first IC died on d1.

Is there anything else you would like to ask me?

[Aristeia]

Margot I assure you my heart is pure <3

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Datisi

[Aristeia]

I think the scumteam has agreed to bus IV and Gamma got concerned that Margot was getting pressure, so they had Margot make that wall post condemning IV since he was essentially a dead man walking already.

I strongly disagree with this take

When Margot posts her "case" on IV at 1192

The VC prior to her dropping that case on him, the VC is

6 votes for T3 (e-1) - NM had just voted for T3 putting him at E-1 (moving his vote from IV to T3)
3 votes for IV

At this point IV himself had not yet voted for T3

He could easily hammer T3 at this point with survival as the excuse.

IV was definitely NOT a dead man walking.

Her case at 1192 made it 6-4 and then Roden unvoted T3 to make the danger of T3 getting elimmed disappear and signaled he would switch his vote to IV in the future which he later does.

[Aristeia]

In that game I was not right about anything so I felt a lack of confidence.

You were right about Prism?

I didn't know during the start of D2 that I was right about Prism.

[Aristeia]

@Ari, @Enchant, probably @ssbm:

Is there any universe where it's Salsa/Datisi?

I have a hard time thinking Datisi would approach IV the way he did on D1 if they were S/S.

I think the way Datsi tried to push T3 at EOD-1 is very scum-indicative, he also barely talked about IV except right at the end where he's like "they might be s/s"

[Aristeia]

kyouko is v obviously the vig

[Aristeia]

also i doubt town has a tracker or another pr after 2 ICs and a 1 shot vig

[Aristeia]

i think datsi is likely

i am less sure about salsa

[Aristeia]

if salsa flips town then either ChaosO or you

I will be so sad if you are mafia

[Aristeia]

it will be heartbreaking

[Aristeia]

ok you are conftown to me then <3

[Aristeia]

i would never roll scum and break your heart, i am not like that >_>

[Aristeia]

I suck sowwie :<

[Aristeia]

id guess salsa because she seemed to be trying to set up me/datsi dichotomy yesterday

beyond that im clueless

[Aristeia]

I somewhat doubt we have a protective because if we did then Roden shouldn't have died on N1.

Also 2 ICs + 1 Shot-Vig + killblocking role seems overpowered for a 13p mini.

it's possible both scum were just inactive and did not submit a nightkill - which would point towards Salsa/Chaos as niether have any posts on the site overnight and Salsa was VLA.

[Aristeia]

I am a VT

[Aristeia]

I'm spiritually voting salsa but I am also kind of worried in general and I want to give Datisi/Enchant the chance to actually participate.

[Aristeia]

im honestly very scared that kyouko is right

[Aristeia]

i would like to sheep what enchant/kyouko think because I know I can't trust myself to be objective about Datisi

[Aristeia]

I am not sure if I would be more hurt by this if Datisi was mafia or if he was town.

[Aristeia]

I am not going to vote for you because I can't do that to you and some part of me still thinks you are town.

I am town

If you are mafia there are 4 other townies who can vote for you.

[Aristeia]

its not my fault you are never around

[Aristeia]

i don't know

[Aristeia]

i feel like the way you interacted with iv was ++town but you've fallen off so far since then.


you feel coasty in a weird way

like you will show up to complain about things after we stumble but you aren't invested in stopping us from stumbling.

even now you feel extremely reactive and its weird that your read on me would flip that much.

[Aristeia]

call me reactive, but tell me why is that supposed to be scummy. and my read on you didn't flip solely because of your suspicion on me. it flipped because gamma flipped green (second misyeet in a row you pushed through), you entered the day egging on a salsa yeet (despite her being pretty much your only suspect besides gamma yesterday and gamma flipping green - no reevaluation anywhere?), and as soon as you're able to egg me on and hide behind a conftown, you jump on it. it's getting worse and worse.

because you don't feel like you care tbh.

you say i am pushing miselims thru but at least im pushing what i believe in.

i dont even know what you believe in.

i didnt start the day egging on a salsa yeet i said she was my top suspect but when the votes starting flying i said we should slow down.

if your read on me flipped when gamma flipped green then why did you ask me about who i susp and then do nothing when salsa got run up?

you really were ok with me running up yet another player when your read on me had already flipped and salsa was getting votes?

[Aristeia]

like your play literally doesnt make sense from town you unless you are incredibly disengaged and too busy with rl to be playing

[Aristeia]

i expect you to say ari is probly scum and dont vote for salsa?

[Aristeia]

how is run up an exaggeration

its 4 votes to elim
2 votes is halfway there

[Aristeia]

when i posted to slow down and let enchant/you play she was on 2 votes so im not sure how you think i was egging the wagon on

[Aristeia]

kinda of bullshit for you to say im egging the wagon on

[Aristeia]

"i am worried and want other people to weigh in" is not egging on the wagon.

[Aristeia]

one person is voting for you

[Aristeia]

"i am worried and want other people to weigh in" is not egging on the wagon.

that specific part is not egging on the wagon, sure. good job, 100% of your posts aren't egging on her wagon. "i am still spiritually voting there" absolutely is. and not like you don't have the option of saying "yeah ok we can yeet salsa now" after me/enchant say whatever we want to say and we decide to go through with it. or you just don't say that and let us do it, either works.

It's absolutely ridiculous that you think I'm trying to egg on her wagon

[Aristeia]

one person is voting for you

and that one person is confirmed town and has a cas eon me so bad that it was enough to piss me off - if it were some rando than whatever, but the fact she's cofntown means people are automatically gonna be taking that read into consideration more than usual and i have to waste time and brainpower to defend against it

I don't understand why you'd get pissed off from one person voting you but ok

[Aristeia]

You understand people can be wrong in mafia games right?

[Aristeia]

like this 0->100 mph response to a single vote is really not a good look for you

[Aristeia]

If she's town why would I even bother pushing Datsi yesterday when I can just sheep you on Salsa and make you the bad guy?

[Aristeia]

I think it's an overreaction to get that pissed off.

do you think its completely unfair for anyone to suspect you?

[Aristeia]

arent you scumreading me

[Aristeia]

datisi do u have any idea how scummy you have to be for

me

to think you might be mafia?

[Aristeia]

because you frankly don't deserve to be townread so it doesn't make sense for you to be this angry at a scumread.

I have been making every excuse to myself NOT to scumread you when you are barely trying because i keep telling myself you're just RL-challenged etc.

I don't want to suspect you. I want you to be town. but the way you are reacting is just so icky.

[Aristeia]

like you were gloriously townie when you were bashing IV's face in for half of day 1.

since then i have no idea where the heck you even went.

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Datisi

So I was listening to this song and I thought about you
and I got sad thinking about you being mafia.
If you're town can you please town it up?

[Aristeia]

Datisi I'm really worried about you now

[Aristeia]

because it's usually easy for me to see town!you and I can't see it right now and it scares me

[Aristeia]

it just feels like you don't

want

to be here...

and I know you don't really enjoy playing mafia?

[Aristeia]

i was here until 1 am yesterday and because of that i slept only 6 hours so can you not?

i'm here as much as time and brain allows. I won't lie and say it's town! indicative for me because obviously it's not but we just had a game where i was a town lurksack so i'm kinda ??? at you making it out to be a definitely a scum!me thing?

i was here until 1 am yesterday and because of that i slept only 6 hours so can you not?i'm here as much as time and brain allows. I won't lie and say it's town! indicative for me because obviously it's not but we just had a game where i was a town lurksack so i'm kinda ??? at you making it out to be a definitely a scum!me thing?

Ok and in that game I was scum and you were an easy target and did I try to kill you at all?

I didn't try to harm a single hair on your head!!

Like it's just weird I make one comment about possibly thinking you might be scum and you automatically go to "Ari must be a bad person!!!"

[Aristeia]

[Aristeia]

you figure it out enchant

I give up

[Aristeia]

even that game you were way more townie than this one

also no its not a trust tell.

i am not saying scum me would never ever push town you

im saying i dont believe town you thinks scum me will push you and jump to that conclusion.

hence i think this reaction is way more likely from scum you.

frankly i dont care what your "read" on me is because i think you're probably just mafia here.