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[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sup nerds
VOTE: Kerset

[ssbm_Kyouko]

See I feel like Nero's reaction to Titus vote is NAI and predictable, but I don't think 24 (the second half) is a

bad

look.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I mean, silly-ass RVS wagons plop up all the time and there's not scum on them. I think your analysis that scum are voting Kyo is ridiculus.

It would be if Gamma wasnt scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

See I feel like Nero's reaction to Titus vote is NAI and predictable, but I don't think 24 (the second half) is a

bad

look.

wat
What point are you trying to make, even?

That scumreads on Nero for 24 and prior are shit_emoji

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I mean, silly-ass RVS wagons plop up all the time and there's not scum on them. I think your analysis that scum are voting Kyo is ridiculus.

It would be if Gamma wasnt scum

Math isn't calling Gamma scum though. Math isn't calling anyone scum on your wagon. Why is Gamma scum?

I can feel it in my bones

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Up!

What if I said I thought DGB and Nero but Nero more likely than DGB?

VOTE: Nero

I think Nero town, but why DGB? The third vote on my wagon, or was it somehing else?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I mean, silly-ass RVS wagons plop up all the time and there's not scum on them. I think your analysis that scum are voting Kyo is ridiculus.

It would be if Gamma wasnt scum

Math isn't calling Gamma scum though. Math isn't calling anyone scum on your wagon. Why is Gamma scum?

I can feel it in my bones

What do your bones feel about Nero and DGB?

town!Nero and DGB hasn't stood out to me yet though I did notice it was voting me in the last VC. Haven't looked back for the vote yet though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nyah pagetop

[ssbm_Kyouko]

snipped all this because of 10 quote thing

74 < 76, but if you step back, obviously the sequence of events is:

House votes in 74 and posts a vague reason for his vote (vague does not imply scummy in this context).
Titus expresses confusion in 75 because she does not follow the reasoning in 74.
House immediately clarifies in 76. Bingo bango bongo. It's not like there are hundreds of posts or hours between posts and House is provisioning. It's just a clarification of an unclear vote.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nero House DGB is my current solve

This supports my scumread.

Scum does not claim mindmeld with scum.

I can't see town!Math truly believing this.

This doesnt work when you're the one that claimed mindmeld. You can say "X and Y arent teamed because scum don't mindmeld" when you're Z, but it doesnt hold weight as X or Y. Sounds kinda whiny tbh.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

dumb

I will never be miselimed unless town pulls a massive derp card.

I see you got your pr fakeclaim rdy to go.

Why I scumread Nero

eyes

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Up!

What if I said I thought DGB and Nero but Nero more likely than DGB?

VOTE: Nero

I think Nero town, but why DGB? The third vote on my wagon, or was it somehing else?

If they are not a mason then third vote on wagon and gut. I am good at reading it and if given time I can read it clearly.
If they are a mason I wanted to shade it just a bit to avoid a NK.

Got it, posted 213 before reading the claim

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Am I the only one that finds it utterly ridiculous that these 3 think scum would shoot at claimed hoodies/masons?

Think you might be tbh

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nero House DGB town I think is where I'm at as of catch-up completion

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not sure what Math gets out of this play as scum though. DGB, How did the topic of fakeclaiming come to be in the hood? Did Math crumb of his own volition before talking to you about what to claim? Did you bring it up because of something Math said or did either in game or in hood?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nero House DGB town I think is where I'm at as of catch-up completion

I still like Math for town more than DGB.

I think the context of what went on in the hood as this situation unfolded is.going to be key.

DGB, if it's not too much trouble, posting what happened between the 2 threads leading up to this in chronological order would help.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Nero
The amount of time it took him to vote DGB is unreal, it’s clear his initial push against the neighborhood was sowing seeds of paranoia.

VOTE: Gamma

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

dumb

I will never be miselimed unless town pulls a massive derp card.

I see you got your pr fakeclaim rdy to go.

Pr fish here.

Like if you’re gonna lie at least be better Nero.

You kinda responded to trolling by taking the bait, that’s kinda on you to some degree, I’m sorry
(Okay actually I feel really horrible typing this, L is screaming at me to not post this at all but I have to make this clear that the PR “fish” was so basic that replying to it like you did was kinda stupid)

Fair. I deserve that.

I haven’t been a town PR role in like…years literally I think. Ugh I feel old now.

prolly not too many TPRs replacing out tbh

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm voting DGB and then when/if DGB flips scum I'm going to target Gamma and House

This has wacky phrasing and warped perspective, plus it feels a bit performative when the pressure is probably more on Nero than DGB rn

yeah this is actually the second post in my catchup that I've seen from Nero that is missing a word. Sign of editing and rewording posts, but not proofreading them after edits. Like when you change the verb tense so that all of your sentences match but forget to change another word somewhere so it

doesn't looks right

(edited from

looks wrong

). <-- An example of what I'm describing

[ssbm_Kyouko]

good thing that anyone that has a townblock means that they are def town. In my last game, Cheeky Teeky had like the entire scum team in her town block and I was scumreading it. Just b/c Titus has you guys in yur town bloc

does

make you all town.

again...

[ssbm_Kyouko]

hmm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Vote Count 1.03

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3)

: Wake88, Kerset, Andresvmb

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Kinda feeling like there's scum on Nero wag.

House's talk about Nero pushing for a hood lim because Nero is informed of T/T, if anything, could be seen as House's own TMI spewing into the thread in order to frame up Nero on any hood lims or NKs.
If there is scum in the hood, my bet is on Math as DGB's play wrt the gambit aligns with its town meta, and I feel like it's possible that Math manipulated DGB into claiming

something

.
I'm not sure if I buy the outrage about outing Math's crumb, though Math didn't fake outrage in our last game together where he

was

scum, so possibly the hood is just t/t. From DGB's description it doesn't sound too much like it was manipulated into claiming, but DGB, if you felt at all like a horse being led to water, let me know. In truth that is what I was looking for, and what I expected to hear, but it seems like this may not be the case, in which case I don't have a case on Math at this time.
Gamma I got a bad feeling about early on and wasn't impressed by that last vote. I think the wagon has been on Nero long enough that if Gamma is scum, now is a good time to get on if Math, DGB, and House are all town. It doesn't look like a bus if Nero flips red, and there's little risk of the wagon dissipating, which means Gamma won't have to move his vote anywhere new anytime soon.

I feel like House or Gamma are the best bets actually, but House being scum is kinda contingent on t/t hood and aside from possible TMI he's seemed town.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wish the wagon on me had been real because the scatter would be telling if so

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Vote Count 1.03

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3)

: Wake88, Kerset, Andresvmb

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Kinda feeling like there's scum on Nero wag.

House's talk about Nero pushing for a hood lim because Nero is informed of T/T, if anything, could be seen as House's own TMI spewing into the thread in order to frame up Nero on any hood lims or NKs.
If there is scum in the hood, my bet is on Math as DGB's play wrt the gambit aligns with its town meta, and I feel like it's possible that Math manipulated DGB into claiming

something

.
I'm not sure if I buy the outrage about outing Math's crumb, though Math didn't fake outrage in our last game together where he

was

scum, so possibly the hood is just t/t. From DGB's description it doesn't sound too much like it was manipulated into claiming, but DGB, if you felt at all like a horse being led to water, let me know. In truth that is what I was looking for, and what I expected to hear, but it seems like this may not be the case, in which case I don't have a case on Math at this time.
Gamma I got a bad feeling about early on and wasn't impressed by that last vote. I think the wagon has been on Nero long enough that if Gamma is scum, now is a good time to get on if Math, DGB, and House are all town. It doesn't look like a bus if Nero flips red, and there's little risk of the wagon dissipating, which means Gamma won't have to move his vote anywhere new anytime soon.

I feel like House or Gamma are the best bets actually, but House being scum is kinda contingent on t/t hood and aside from possible TMI he's seemed town.

How would I be manipulating DGB into claiming something?

It’s demonstrated I have a PT with DGB.
The only thing claimed is neighbors.
I did that first and then DGB narrowed it down.
So what manipulation would there be?

I don’t know if you’re just paranoid because of our last game or scum but this doesn’t logically add up

With leading questions in the hood, like the leading questions scum!you asked me about town!titus in our last game. I was specifically curious if there was anything like that in the PT, but didnt want to lead DGB there myself in case it is scum, and I don't think from its explanation that it is very likely that you led it there.

But yes, I am paranoid about you having manipulated DGB inside the hood specifically because of our last game.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm voting DGB and then when/if DGB flips scum I'm going to target Gamma and House

This has wacky phrasing and warped perspective, plus it feels a bit performative when the pressure is probably more on Nero than DGB rn

yeah this is actually the second post in my catchup that I've seen from Nero that is missing a word. Sign of editing and rewording posts, but not proofreading them after edits. Like when you change the verb tense so that all of your sentences match but forget to change another word somewhere so it

doesn't looks right

(edited from

looks wrong

). <-- An example of what I'm describing

Did you cite the wrong post? This post doesn’t have the word “looks” in Nero’s posts?

No, that was a made-up example to demonstrate how that kind of error comes to be. I can grab the actual posts from Nero though:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

good thing that anyone that has a townblock means that they are def town. In my last game, Cheeky Teeky had like the entire scum team in her town block and I was scumreading it. Just b/c Titus has you guys in yur town bloc

does make

you all town.

Does not make

I mean maybe the wagon on me means that you are being the town beard that you

are famous and

scum are trying to take advantage but we'll see.

are famous for being, and

Why do you think Nero is town?
His entire ISO is PR fishing, shading, and downright scumminess unless I missed something while playing civ.

I think he believes in his pushes though. Tbh that's kind of how I've always read Nero- aggression and activity.

If he's scum I kind of think it'll be more evident later on, so I'm not too worried about it.

I feel like Nero just gives off the wrong vibes this game, like he did in Real Folk Blues Rematch when I day bugged him, and like House did in Radio Buzz

Why are you talking about games from years ago? What about that game where you tunneled me and we were both town. Idk I kinda feel like "these games from years ago prove me right" when you

said be

using more recent examples.

Not sure what words this would be

House is

prob that

doesn't want to bus hood scum

Prob scum that

if you wanna call it fence-sitting and claim I'm scummy for it fine but both Math and DGB seem scummy to me. Sorry for not being informed and

know

wich one is scum.

Knowing

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Vote Count 1.03

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3)

: Wake88, Kerset, Andresvmb

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Kinda feeling like there's scum on Nero wag.

House's talk about Nero pushing for a hood lim because Nero is informed of T/T, if anything, could be seen as House's own TMI spewing into the thread in order to frame up Nero on any hood lims or NKs.
If there is scum in the hood, my bet is on Math as DGB's play wrt the gambit aligns with its town meta, and I feel like it's possible that Math manipulated DGB into claiming

something

.
I'm not sure if I buy the outrage about outing Math's crumb, though Math didn't fake outrage in our last game together where he

was

scum, so possibly the hood is just t/t. From DGB's description it doesn't sound too much like it was manipulated into claiming, but DGB, if you felt at all like a horse being led to water, let me know. In truth that is what I was looking for, and what I expected to hear, but it seems like this may not be the case, in which case I don't have a case on Math at this time.
Gamma I got a bad feeling about early on and wasn't impressed by that last vote. I think the wagon has been on Nero long enough that if Gamma is scum, now is a good time to get on if Math, DGB, and House are all town. It doesn't look like a bus if Nero flips red, and there's little risk of the wagon dissipating, which means Gamma won't have to move his vote anywhere new anytime soon.

I feel like House or Gamma are the best bets actually, but House being scum is kinda contingent on t/t hood and aside from possible TMI he's seemed town.

How would I be manipulating DGB into claiming something?

It’s demonstrated I have a PT with DGB.
The only thing claimed is neighbors.
I did that first and then DGB narrowed it down.
So what manipulation would there be?

I don’t know if you’re just paranoid because of our last game or scum but this doesn’t logically add up

With leading questions in the hood, like the leading questions scum!you asked me about town!titus in our last game. I was specifically curious if there was anything like that in the PT, but didnt want to lead DGB there myself in case it is scum, and I don't think from its explanation that it is very likely that you led it there.

But yes, I am paranoid about you having manipulated DGB inside the hood specifically because of our last game.

1) there’s no leading question there or here.
2) There’s paranoid and then there’s ridiculously paranoid that comes off weird.
3) you didn’t answer my question. What manipulation is there?
You’re assuming that there’s leading questions in the hood when most of it is me trying to figure out if I can trust it.

The leading questions

are

the manipulation. I was

checking

with DGB if any of that had occurred in the hood because I dont see it here, but that's not to say it didnt happen there. Like I said though, it sounds like, from DGB's account of the hood, that you did not lead it to claiming in there.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm voting DGB and then when/if DGB flips scum I'm going to target Gamma and House

This has wacky phrasing and warped perspective, plus it feels a bit performative when the pressure is probably more on Nero than DGB rn

yeah this is actually the second post in my catchup that I've seen from Nero that is missing a word. Sign of editing and rewording posts, but not proofreading them after edits. Like when you change the verb tense so that all of your sentences match but forget to change another word somewhere so it

doesn't looks right

(edited from

looks wrong

). <-- An example of what I'm describing

Is this a response to something?

Yes, 493 is a response to 460

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I am ginger Kyouko

Is this your way of saying you're red and I'm green?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kerset still isn't posting
Arthur_fist

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nyah!

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not today Mathblade

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah idk if the wording is AI for him, it's the kind of meta tell that I'd actually have to read full ISOs instead of "Find" with text indexing so sitting on my hands on that one right now. I think more likely is that Nero is town and there's at most 1 scum on his wagon

[ssbm_Kyouko]

kyouko
Plus at a certain point it becomes a pattern and maybe means something

553 was a response to this

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kerset is town despite being red

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kerset is town despite being red

I’m kinda feeling this
Also I’m just gonna UNVOTE: because pushing Nero seems to not be working out for me but I s2g if Nero ends up being scum I’m gonna be pretty damn mad at Titus if she’s town because it would be the second time town!Titus defended a scum I was pushing

you know what maybe I legitimately was wrong on Nero
It seems that every time I feel comfortable around him these days he ends up being scum, so the fact he squicked me out so hard here is probably a town tell

I think it's normal for Math.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh those were still quoted after ISOing Gamma. Was going to mention hat kind of wishy-washiness is scum!Gamma I'm pretty sure

[ssbm_Kyouko]

"Kinda feeling", going to unvote because "weak reason", but "indignant clause"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

you should also get why I'm feeling this way kyuoko, you were also in that game

Which game was it? I remember Titus was town in T3's mini and Osuka's mini, but I dont remember you on either game

[ssbm_Kyouko]

it's actually 3d20 that I'm starting from here lol
what dotw said in the postgame of that struck a chord with me, because in ln 235 I was at odds with nero but in ln 234 where nero was scum he was actually on my side when I was getting pushed and that made me think he was town, and in 3d20 I was confused that people were pushing nero, though I probably presented that in a way to make the idea I was partnered with nero more palatable, basically exploiting the tell kyouko has tried to use on me previously where I try to fish out the logic for the push on a scumbuddy to determine whether I think the wagon has enough validity to necessitate a bus

I burned it after radio buzz

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kerset is town despite being red

I’m kinda feeling this
Also I’m just gonna UNVOTE: because pushing Nero seems to not be working out for me but I s2g if Nero ends up being scum I’m gonna be pretty damn mad at Titus if she’s town because it would be the second time town!Titus defended a scum I was pushing

you know what maybe I legitimately was wrong on Nero
It seems that every time I feel comfortable around him these days he ends up being scum, so the fact he squicked me out so hard here is probably a town tell

I think it's normal for Math.

These posts are about Nero. Why are you saying it’s normal for me?

718

[ssbm_Kyouko]

the "I think it's normal for Math." was meant to be a post with no quotes that was replying to the post just above it, Dragon's 716. Gamma quotes were cached

[ssbm_Kyouko]

anyway kyouko, do you still feel like I'm hedging on Nero? I tend to be wishy-washy as both alignments fwiw, I dislike getting myself into hot water by being overconfident, which was exactly why I initially stepped off the nero wagon, because that was the exact impression I had of what was happening. I don't entirely expect house to be able to remember/back me up on this but he was in the game that really started that feeling of being afraid to overstep

when I said wishy-washy I didn't mean you were hedging on Nero. I meant your tone/attitude are wishy-washy, but those posts happen to be about Nero

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I mean, in fairness I just think Gamma is scum and guy is throwing a hissy fit and is rage quitting :/

+1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

{Yhtan, Titus, ???} Wake maybe, not really around much to judge yet

[ssbm_Kyouko]

y Titus? b/c she's kinda active lurking?

I guess you could say that - it's POE and because she's been more active than Wake I put her in there definitively because I'm not TRing her off the posts she currently has. I also didn't like something in her catchup - felt agenda-ey

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Vote Count 1.05

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (3)

- Andresvmb, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (2)

: Wake88, Kerset

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Titus is V/LA today. Gamma Emerald is V/LA through the 24th of September.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Gamma wagon reeks.

Another reason House is town btw

it was this post that pinged me. I don't think House's post is particularly astute and am not sure why Titus would add that to a pile of reasons to TR him. Seems fake and is +equity with Gamma

[ssbm_Kyouko]

y Titus? b/c she's kinda active lurking?

If you're asking why, it helps not to give an out to sheep.

Self-conscious much? You're not exactly a popular scumread I don't think. Who am I sheeping?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Vote Count 1.05

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (3)

- Andresvmb, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (2)

: Wake88, Kerset

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Titus is V/LA today. Gamma Emerald is V/LA through the 24th of September.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Gamma wagon reeks.

Another reason House is town btw

it was this post that pinged me. I don't think House's post is particularly astute and am not sure why Titus would add that to a pile of reasons to TR him. Seems fake and is +equity with Gamma

House is attacking the counterwagon to his own. If he were scum, he'd want an option to jump to both because they are both town.

But you don't know they're both town unless you're scum

y Titus? b/c she's kinda active lurking?

If you're asking why, it helps not to give an out to sheep.

Self-conscious much? You're not exactly a popular scumread I don't think. Who am I sheeping?

You didn't answer Nero's question. You could just copy his suggestion was my point.

I know what your point was, but you didnt say "give her an out", you said "give sheep an out", implying I'm a sheep. And I did answer his question in 838/839. Unless you're talking about a different question, not in 811, that I missed?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Nero
The amount of time it took him to vote DGB is unreal, it’s clear his initial push against the neighborhood was sowing seeds of paranoia.

VOTE: Gamma

Don't care for the opportunism of this vote.

don't care for baseless shade myself.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Blatantly getting chainsawed by Titus rn

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Can't say I'm in disagreement with Titus about DotW's reads, tbh.

Same, but at the same time her posting feels geared towards stopping the Gamma wagon by any means, the shade on me is just lazy

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like this is the EXACT situation Kyo nailed DGB scum in. So if DGB is scum here then I would suspect Kyo for not suspecting DGB. To be clear I don’t think DGB here is unless certain conditions exist so not interested in elimming it.

Stalled wagons stalled game she pulled a flash wagon on scum from nowhere.
When she gets the vibe she does.

Her not driving is scary same with Titus.

I'm driving but nobody's in the car, sometimes it be like that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Can you two stop fighting? I have a novel to write and DotW and ssbm won't eliminate themselves.

*checks notes*
This isn't entirely true

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Blatantly getting chainsawed by Titus rn

Isn't she voting DotW?

Yeah, the mud isn't sticking so she moved. She starts subtly by TRing players that oppose the wagon I'm pushing, and gradually builds posts that discredit me, and also posts naked shade. Quotes below:

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.05

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (3)

- Andresvmb, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (2)

: Wake88, Kerset

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Titus is V/LA today. Gamma Emerald is V/LA through the 24th of September.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Gamma wagon reeks.

Another reason House is town btw

Vote Count 1.01

ssbm_Kyouko (3)

- Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, DrippingGoofball

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Nero Cain (1)

- MathBlade

Mathblade (1)

- Nero Cain

Cat Scatching Fever (1)

- Titus

DrippingGoofball (1)

- House

Not voting (4)

: Wake88, Kerset, Andresvmb, Almost50

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Just an opportunistic vote on the largest wagon. I don't even know why anyone is voting anyone else.

Like A50 as town.

y Titus? b/c she's kinda active lurking?

If you're asking why, it helps not to give an out to sheep.

y Titus? b/c she's kinda active lurking?

If you're asking why, it helps not to give an out to sheep.

Self-conscious much? You're not exactly a popular scumread I don't think. Who am I sheeping?

You didn't answer Nero's question. You could just copy his suggestion was my point.

VOTE: Nero
The amount of time it took him to vote DGB is unreal, it’s clear his initial push against the neighborhood was sowing seeds of paranoia.

VOTE: Gamma

Don't care for the opportunism of this vote.

With leading questions in the hood, like the leading questions scum!you asked me about town!titus in our last game. I was specifically curious if there was anything like that in the PT, but didnt want to lead DGB there myself in case it is scum, and I don't think from its explanation that it is very likely that you led it there.

But yes, I am paranoid about you having manipulated DGB inside the hood specifically because of our last game.

Interesting. I am flagging this for later.

It's odd because it supposes DGB is lead astray with leading questions when its more fooled by reinforcement.

I'm voting DGB and then when/if DGB flips scum I'm going to target Gamma and House

This has wacky phrasing and warped perspective, plus it feels a bit performative when the pressure is probably more on Nero than DGB rn

yeah this is actually the second post in my catchup that I've seen from Nero that is missing a word. Sign of editing and rewording posts, but not proofreading them after edits. Like when you change the verb tense so that all of your sentences match but forget to change another word somewhere so it

doesn't looks right

(edited from

looks wrong

). <-- An example of what I'm describing

Is this a response to something?

Like this. I basically ignored the semantic stuff too.

Bumping Titus out of POE-tier into scumread-tier with Ythan. Hadn't realized how out of hand she'd gotten until I went back through her ISO to address this

VOTE: Titus

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ssbm why is Kerset town?

I saw myself in her

[ssbm_Kyouko]

y Titus? b/c she's kinda active lurking?

I guess you could say that -

it's POE

and because she's been more active than Wake I put her in there definitively because I'm not TRing her off the posts she currently has. I also didn't like something in her catchup - felt agenda-ey

Does this mean you have townreads on everyone else in the game?

At the time of that post it was a combination of many townreads, 1 scumread, and the other 2 scum were in a poe.

TRs on Nero, House, DGB, Kerset, Mathblade - scumread on Gamma. Felt unlikely that you and Gamma as partners chose to start the game both voting me so I felt you were on the lower end of the poe in terms of likelihood to be scum.

Wake Andres Dragon and A50 hadn't made much of an impression at the time, not sure how much they'd posted yet. Tiers of poe at that time were:

Titus - had posted enough to make an impression but had not garnered a townread
Other 4 - not enough posts/stances for me to take notice
You - not as likely to he scum with Gamma, but also not enough posts/stances to take notice

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hey everybody. Here's the deal.

We're all from Asia now, which means we hate the people from the West. Particularly those who appropriate symbols of our culture, like the Dragon.

So we're eliminating DotW.

This is not a novel

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think wake's response to House asking for a read on the last 50 posts of House's is faked.

Seems a little "get off my back" rather than an actual feeling Wake had.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think wake's response to House asking for a read on the last 50 posts of House's is faked.

Seems a little "get off my back" rather than an actual feeling Wake had.

Why do feel different than the other mini normal?

I dont understand the question

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think wake's response to House asking for a read on the last 50 posts of House's is faked.

idk, I think I kinda like it? It's a bit of a silly request from House I thought

Yeah, it is a silly request from House. I don't think it warrants a response, and the response it did get didn't feel like it was reciprocating the original question. Like it was out of proportion. Felt forced, faked, unnecessary.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think wake's response to House asking for a read on the last 50 posts of House's is faked.

Seems a little "get off my back" rather than an actual feeling Wake had.

As I said before just reading his last 50 posts leaves out a lot of context. That's sloppy.

I'm still catching up, so just ISO'ing a player's posts leaves an incomplete picture of everything that was actually being said.

Now this post, this feels real.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think wake's response to House asking for a read on the last 50 posts of House's is faked.

Seems a little "get off my back" rather than an actual feeling Wake had.

Why do feel different than the other mini normal?

I dont understand the question

You have a different “vibe” than in the mini normal with you and Roden. Why?

It's hard to explain and unrelated to the game. I guess the easiest way to say is I dont really have a personality of my own. I blend. So in different company you'll see a different me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

snipped all this because of 10 quote thing

74 < 76, but if you step back, obviously the sequence of events is:

House votes in 74 and posts a vague reason for his vote (vague does not imply scummy in this context).
Titus expresses confusion in 75 because she does not follow the reasoning in 74.
House immediately clarifies in 76. Bingo bango bongo. It's not like there are hundreds of posts or hours between posts and House is

revisioning*

. It's just a clarification of an unclear vote.

Just saw as I'm rereading this said provisioning and should say revisioning

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Damn you know what? DGB and Math is reminding me of large 233 where I was scum without a foot in the game. I could only get in by spewing out that wild thought process I had (which was a real thought process, it looked town, but was scum-motivated) with regards to why I decided to go along with Anya's fake masonry/neighbor claim.

I feel like Math is kinda flailing as town here and DGB has used that to contribute in a way that looks townie, but really, DGB's account of its plan, while sounding townie because it is genuine, is actually quite transparently pro-scum if DGB is a scum neighbor with Math. The scumteam just shoots Math eventually when discussion dies.

Like Titus and I did to Anya in 233. At least I think we shot her, maybe she got mislimmed.

Quite a few players are here from 233 as well - Nero, Dragon, Titus, Andres, DGB (I think maybe the idea for this comes from my play in 233 but maybe that's just my ego)

I kinda feel like if you take out the talk about the hood that DGBs ISO is kinda shit and I feel like I'm seeing things in a new light now.

VOTE: DGB

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Another thing I find scummy with DGB is the timeline here.

MB's paranoia about the gambit makes me believe that he's the towniest of the 2, ftr.

DGB gets scumpoints for attempting to pigeonhole Math into an anti-town fakeclaim.

The only paranoia I considered is MB thinking I made the suggestion to test him. If he refused I should consider him townie. That wasn't my plan, though. My plan was about drawing NKs, but I purposely didn't explain it to MB in case he's scum.

First, there is the claim that the only thing it felt paranoia about was thinking MB might think it was testing him. I don't think I ever worry about this as town because either Math will think that or he won't if he's town, and if he's scum it doesnt matter. I have confidence enough in my townplay to do whatever I want and get away with it though, so if Math didnt believe me right away, I would still expect eventually that he would realize I am town, and would try to make the play anways. Maybe this line of reasoning does not apply to DGB though, as it is prone to getting eliminated regardless of alignment in my experience.

Not sure what Math gets out of this play as scum though. DGB, How did the topic of fakeclaiming come to be in the hood? Did Math crumb of his own volition before talking to you about what to claim? Did you bring it up because of something Math said or did either in game or in hood?

Nero House DGB town I think is where I'm at as of catch-up completion

I still like Math for town more than DGB.

I think the context of what went on in the hood as this situation unfolded is.going to be key.

DGB, if it's not too much trouble, posting what happened between the 2 threads leading up to this in chronological order would help.

These last 2 posts are just for context of what I was asking of DGB, and its response follows.

One of the first things that were posted in the neighbor PT was MB explaining how he was going to crumb.

To which I answered, why crumb at all, we're not masons. And curiously MB said that if I'm town,

it's like we're masons

. It took me aback, because no, FMPOV we're totally not masons, not even close.

Then MB was concerned about, er, what's that role that checks if you have a PT? He worried that such a role would get a false positive if we were investigated.

Then a real lot of the thread was MB working me to scum read Nero, starting with Nero highlighting MB's "PR crumb" in the thread. I'm not very good at reading Nero, so I said I wasn't going to do this on Day 1. MB's crumb wasn't exactly subtle for the type of player that looks for crumbs (unlike me, i never see crumbs). It felt like an opportunistic trap a little bit, Nero had fallen into and MB was going for the kill.

At that point I was noticing MB premature-claiming in the thread and that's when I proposed a gambit, since it seemed like the whole neighbor bit was already blowing up in my face through no fault of mine.

In other word I think MB is scum.

This is the post that reminded me of my post in 233 where I outed my.whole reasoning for going along with the neighbor claim. Maybe I'll grab that post later for comparison.

Vote Count 1.03

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3)

: Wake88, Kerset, Andresvmb

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Kinda feeling like there's scum on Nero wag.

House's talk about Nero pushing for a hood lim because Nero is informed of T/T, if anything, could be seen as House's own TMI spewing into the thread in order to frame up Nero on any hood lims or NKs.
If there is scum in the hood, my bet is on Math as DGB's play wrt the gambit aligns with its town meta, and I feel like it's possible that Math manipulated DGB into claiming

something

.
I'm not sure if I buy the outrage about outing Math's crumb, though Math didn't fake outrage in our last game together where he

was

scum, so possibly the hood is just t/t. From DGB's description it doesn't sound too much like it was manipulated into claiming, but DGB, if you felt at all like a horse being led to water, let me know. In truth that is what I was looking for, and what I expected to hear, but it seems like this may not be the case, in which case I don't have a case on Math at this time.
Gamma I got a bad feeling about early on and wasn't impressed by that last vote. I think the wagon has been on Nero long enough that if Gamma is scum, now is a good time to get on if Math, DGB, and House are all town. It doesn't look like a bus if Nero flips red, and there's little risk of the wagon dissipating, which means Gamma won't have to move his vote anywhere new anytime soon.

I feel like House or Gamma are the best bets actually, but House being scum is kinda contingent on t/t hood and aside from possible TMI he's seemed town.

How would I be manipulating DGB into claiming something?

It’s demonstrated I have a PT with DGB.
The only thing claimed is neighbors.
I did that first and then DGB narrowed it down.
So what manipulation would there be?

I don’t know if you’re just paranoid because of our last game or scum but this doesn’t logically add up

With leading questions in the hood, like the leading questions scum!you asked me about town!titus in our last game. I was specifically curious if there was anything like that in the PT, but didnt want to lead DGB there myself in case it is scum, and I don't think from its explanation that it is very likely that you led it there.

But yes, I am paranoid about you having manipulated DGB inside the hood specifically because of our last game.

I felt I was being manipulated into scumrrading Nero a bit, but then Nero wasn't helping himself. His more recent rebuttals had the passion of town, though

I also tried not to lead DGB into saying anything that incriminated Math in my original questions, and it didn't. DGB mentioned it's original paranoia that Math might think he was being tested. When DGB explained the timeline in 289 there was no mention of a concern it was being manipulated into SRing Nero. But, after I revealed what I had been looking for in an answer from DGB (evidence that Math had manipulated it), lo and behold, DGB expresses that very information I

was

looking for. I feel like DGB is trying to manipulate me into scumreading Math with this.

That's the end of the content about DGB in this post.

thats kinda dumb. I'm not sure if town Math should be worried about an invest.

I grabbed this quote while rereading because i feel like it's worth commenting that I do think town!Math worries about getting investigated here, as by his accounts, he is a weaker town player. By crumbing, he reinforces himself against false positives later, because he is worried that without a crumb he wont be believed (because he thinks of himself as a weak town player).
I also think it makes sense as scum to prepare this crumb for the same reason - to reinforce against "false" positives that Match can claim are coming from the hood rather than a scum pt.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay so I just finished reading through everything...I'm coming to the conclusion that D1s really frustrate me. Quick reads:

A50 - null; not enough content to read. Anyone familiar with A50's town vs scum play? I only played one game with them where they were scum and just seemed disengaged most of the time, similar to here so far.
Andre - townlean; not much content but what was there, I liked for town. reminds me of 233
CSF - mostly null; tone has seemed fine

DGB - townlean; I'm a little confused about how the whole hood thing played out but the way DGB came clean about the 'gambit' and explained the hood interactions in detail struck me as town-ish. Although, I disagree that claimed masons get targeted by scum for NK. the games I've seen so far the claimed masons/neighbors/mason-lites just get kept alive as weak PRs that people get paranoid about

Gamma - null to townlean; this seems like inquisitive town!Gamma for the most part. Seems to be a little more in the driver's seat here from other games I've played with them, but idk if that's AI
House - not sure what to make of this slot. maybe scumlean? some posts seem like they're acting from an informed position or agenda-y, but other ones also strike me as engaged and hunting. not sure if that's just busy-work, though
Kerset - null, no content
MathBlade - scumlean; I think if one of DGB or MathBlade is scum, it's this slot. Paranoia about getting investigated, "botching" the crumb/claim and then using that to cast suspicion on DGB seemed off and kinda scummy. I think they backtracked their DGB read when they realized it might get them killed either before DGB or right after
Nero - honestly, Nero is a mystery to me. Every game he seems to have a tinfoil paranoia hat on that makes no sense to me and sounds like he's just slinging conspiracy theories around and I get paranoid he's scum and then he ends up being town and his theories end up being right. I don't think I'll be on board for a D1 Nero lim
Kyo - null to townlean; thought process and questions seem like town!Kyo
Titus - townlean; much more engaged and aggressive early compared to what I saw in 233 where they were scum. They said they play very different game to game so again not sure if AI but tone strikes me as town
Wake - null, no content

VOTE: MathBlade
Hopefully I'll have more time to be around for discussion tomorrow

How does DGB's claim about the hood compare to my claim of being in Anya's hood in 233 for you? Do you feel similarities at all?

While I dont agree with a few of these reads, they do all look real. At first when I read Titus's post on how this readslist was too much effort for no scumreads I thought "yeah, I kinda buy that" but didnt go back to read this right away, and didnt say anything because Titus is scummy and even if I agree with scum it doesnt make what they're saying any more accurate. Now I've gone back to read it though in my reread and I don't agree at all so I feel like this is yet another comment from.Titus that appears agreeable on the surface.level but crumbles under any scrutiny. Like the shading she does of me. So when Titus shifted from me.to DotW it really.was just another attempt to counterwagon Gamma...

Looking more and more likely to me that Ythan, Titus, DGB is the team. Maybe DGB is just in the wrong here and I'm confbiasing after seeing a similarity to my last scumgame, so I'm going back to Titus for now.

VOTE: Titus

Strongly prefer Titus/Ythan toDay. Maybe DGB is the third but I could be reading into things

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler:

Okay so I just finished reading through everything...I'm coming to the conclusion that D1s really frustrate me. Quick reads:

A50 - null; not enough content to read. Anyone familiar with A50's town vs scum play? I only played one game with them where they were scum and just seemed disengaged most of the time, similar to here so far.
Andre - townlean; not much content but what was there, I liked for town. reminds me of 233
CSF - mostly null; tone has seemed fine
DGB - townlean; I'm a little confused about how the whole hood thing played out but the way DGB came clean about the 'gambit' and explained the hood interactions in detail struck me as town-ish. Although, I disagree that claimed masons get targeted by scum for NK. the games I've seen so far the claimed masons/neighbors/mason-lites just get kept alive as weak PRs that people get paranoid about
Gamma - null to townlean; this seems like inquisitive town!Gamma for the most part. Seems to be a little more in the driver's seat here from other games I've played with them, but idk if that's AI
House - not sure what to make of this slot. maybe scumlean? some posts seem like they're acting from an informed position or agenda-y, but other ones also strike me as engaged and hunting. not sure if that's just busy-work, though
Kerset - null, no content
MathBlade - scumlean; I think if one of DGB or MathBlade is scum, it's this slot. Paranoia about getting investigated, "botching" the crumb/claim and then using that to cast suspicion on DGB seemed off and kinda scummy. I think they backtracked their DGB read when they realized it might get them killed either before DGB or right after
Nero - honestly, Nero is a mystery to me. Every game he seems to have a tinfoil paranoia hat on that makes no sense to me and sounds like he's just slinging conspiracy theories around and I get paranoid he's scum and then he ends up being town and his theories end up being right. I don't think I'll be on board for a D1 Nero lim
Kyo - null to townlean; thought process and questions seem like town!Kyo
Titus - townlean; much more engaged and aggressive early compared to what I saw in 233 where they were scum. They said they play very different game to game so again not sure if AI but tone strikes me as town
Wake - null, no content

VOTE: MathBlade
Hopefully I'll have more time to be around for discussion tomorrow

So the only slot we're in any major disagreement on is MathBlade, but I'm scum?

Also, on this, when you read like 650 posts and are forming one-liner reads on every player in your first post based on impressions, I think it's easy to not recognize every stance a specific player has taken, and not bias yourself into TRing someone for having similar views. This doubt of yours aligns with the "mindmeld" reasoning you yourself provided for TRing Nero earlier though, so this weighs +town. I'd just like to point out the doubt is likely misplaced if you actually think about the context of Dragon's post

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Is Ythan a better wagon than Titus though? I feel like he's big dipped and is just turtling until the storm passes

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Is Ythan a better wagon than Titus though? I feel like he's big dipped and is just turtling until the storm passes

The fuck are you even talking about

your predecessor was scum and you haven't caught up yet as I recall - feels like you're dragging out catching up until your wagon disappears while your scumbuddy Titus pushes me and then DotW for a counterwagon.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hence it feels like you're "turtling", like hiding in a shell while things around you get wild. If you keep your head down long enough people may forget why they were voting Gamma in the first place

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What made you reread Titus’s posts Kyo?

Sick Math trying to read things so don’t ramble please.

I kinda think Titus is town unless it’s Titus + (redacted) but don’t wanna say who yet or why.

I'm rereading from the beginning right now. Maybe yesterday I reread Titus? I could check my ISO and I'd probably remember why if that was the case, but I'm forgetful and have already forgotten if I did.
Also I swear to christ you said the exact same thing about Titus in the last game she was town and you were scum >_>

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I feel like shit and am going to take a nap.

There’s a fuck ton of walls and my eyes are glazing over.

Simple two second case why Titus Kyo?

Didn't see this.

She shades/cases/pushes, whatever you want to call it, with posts that look believable on the surface, but when you really read into them even slightly it becomes apparent they're faulty. The shade also is conveniently directed in a way that appears to feed the agenda of "get a counterwagon to Gamma/Ythan off the ground to prevent that slot from getting eliminated."

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What made you reread Titus’s posts Kyo?

Sick Math trying to read things so don’t ramble please.

I kinda think Titus is town unless it’s Titus + (redacted) but don’t wanna say who yet or why.

I'm rereading from the beginning right now. Maybe yesterday I reread Titus? I could check my ISO and I'd probably remember why if that was the case, but I'm forgetful and have already forgotten if I did.
Also I swear to christ you said the exact same thing about Titus in the last game she was town and you were scum >_>

That doesn’t answer the what/why you started a reread.

And possible. I keep town and scum meta similar as I hate town/scum tells and would rather be read by the quality of posts I provide not some syntactical crap.

I mean, technically the

!

and

"teapot read"

were accurate last time. Not like I'm not going to read you over syntax because you prefer not to be read that way. That said, I don't think you would intentionally repeat things to me so soon after that game, so probably in this case this is just how you talk and it's NAI.

I feel like you don’t have any strong reads.

I skimmed your wall and you said I am town math.
If you think I am town why the shade?

Can you just lay out your current reads or theories no long winded explanation?

What shade?

Current reads

Town: Nero, Math, House
The Verge: Kerset, CSF, Wake
POE: Dragon, Andres,

(there's a 13th player I'm forgetting is in the game)

Almost50
The bad verge: DGB
Scum: Titus, Ythan

Gamestate theory: DGB has either been unfortunate to be on the wrong wagon at the wrong time more than once and the situation is being taken advantage of by Titus, or it is just scum with Titus. Titus is diverting attention from the Gamma/Ythan wagon because they are buddies and Titus is not above defending a buddy as scum. There may be scum taking advantage of Nero's aggressiveness towards Gamma pre-replace regardless of Gamma/Ythan's alignment.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Realized I didn't answer why I started a reread. I'm caught up in all of my games so I've decided to start rereading

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What made you reread Titus’s posts Kyo?

Sick Math trying to read things so don’t ramble please.

I kinda think Titus is town unless it’s Titus + (redacted) but don’t wanna say who yet or why.

I'm rereading from the beginning right now. Maybe yesterday I reread Titus? I could check my ISO and I'd probably remember why if that was the case, but I'm forgetful and have already forgotten if I did.
Also I swear to christ you said the exact same thing about Titus in the last game she was town and you were scum >_>

That doesn’t answer the what/why you started a reread.

And possible. I keep town and scum meta similar as I hate town/scum tells and would rather be read by the quality of posts I provide not some syntactical crap.

I mean, technically the

!

and

"teapot read"

were accurate last time. Not like I'm not going to read you over syntax because you prefer not to be read that way. That said, I don't think you would intentionally repeat things to me so soon after that game, so probably in this case this is just how you talk and it's NAI.

I feel like you don’t have any strong reads.

I skimmed your wall and you said I am town math.
If you think I am town why the shade?

Can you just lay out your current reads or theories no long winded explanation?

What shade?

Current reads

Town: Nero, Math, House
The Verge: Kerset, CSF, Wake
POE: Dragon, Andres,

(there's a 13th player I'm forgetting is in the game)

Almost50
The bad verge: DGB
Scum: Titus, Ythan

Gamestate theory: DGB has either been unfortunate to be on the wrong wagon at the wrong time more than once and the situation is being taken advantage of by Titus, or it is just scum with Titus. Titus is diverting attention from the Gamma/Ythan wagon because they are buddies and Titus is not above defending a buddy as scum. There may be scum taking advantage of Nero's aggressiveness towards Gamma pre-replace regardless of Gamma/Ythan's alignment.

What made you reread Titus’s posts Kyo?

Sick Math trying to read things so don’t ramble please.

I kinda think Titus is town unless it’s Titus + (redacted) but don’t wanna say who yet or why.

I'm rereading from the beginning right now. Maybe yesterday I reread Titus? I could check my ISO and I'd probably remember why if that was the case, but I'm forgetful and have already forgotten if I did.
Also I swear to christ you said the exact same thing about Titus in the last game she was town and you were scum >_>

Shade here @kyo can’t read the paragraph with spoilers because on my phone please use spoiler= in the future

Ah, the spoilers say "!" and "teapot read"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And uh, I said that because it's true to my recollection. I feel like shade is based in a lie, or is "shady". I don't think shade is an accurate word for that post.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hence it feels like you're "turtling", like hiding in a shell while things around you get wild. If you keep your head down long enough people may forget why they were voting Gamma in the first place

Also how is this an opinion you form while last I recall seeing I had two votes at most while Dragon is at last I checked -2.

You were E-3 when you replaced in. So if you would continue reading and catch up completely you wouldn't need to ask this.

Realized I didn't answer why I started a reread. I'm caught up in all of my games so I've decided to start rereading

Didn’t answer why DGB to Titus either?

It's in the walls you didn't read

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don’t get how you pivoted from DGB to Titus.

Oh you mean this, I thought by "why DGB to Titus" you meant Titus asked me "Why DGB", which

is

in my wall posts, though idk if Titus actually asked me that. As far as how I got from DGB to Titus, It was just me going back to something that feels more certain.

My read on DGB is possibly tainted by my ego, as I think it is mimicking my scumplay from large 233.

Titus is throwing around weak accusations toward me and when they failed to stick to me, she pivoted to Dragon. I believe both the accusations against me and against Dragon have the appearance of "real" reason, but are easily deconstructed if you dig just a little deeper. I noticed the problem with the posts she directed at me right away, but didn't notice the problem with the post about Dragon's reads until after I was rereading the whole game and got to Dragon's reads wall.

I think the pushes on Dragon and I are agenda-driven and that the agenda is to push a counterwagon to Ythan because Gamma/Ythan is Titus's scumbuddy.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Is Ythan a better wagon than Titus though? I feel like he's big dipped and is just turtling until the storm passes

Is Ythan a better wagon than Titus though? I feel like he's big dipped and is just turtling until the storm passes

The fuck are you even talking about

Is Ythan a better wagon than Titus though? I feel like he's big dipped and is just turtling until the storm passes

The fuck are you even talking about

your predecessor was scum and

you haven't caught up yet as I recall

- feels like you're dragging out catching up until your wagon disappears while your scumbuddy Titus pushes me and then DotW for a counterwagon.

Hence it feels like you're "turtling", like hiding in a shell while things around you get wild. If you keep your head down long enough people may forget why they were voting Gamma in the first place

Is Ythan a better wagon than Titus though? I feel like he's big dipped and is just turtling until the storm passes

The fuck are you even talking about

your predecessor was scum and you haven't caught up yet as I recall - feels like you're dragging out catching up until your wagon disappears while your scumbuddy Titus pushes me and then DotW for a counterwagon.

I joined this over forty page game yesterday while I was at work and worked on catching up after getting home until literally two am fuck off.

Hence it feels like you're "turtling", like hiding in a shell while things around you get wild. If you keep your head down long enough people may forget why they were voting Gamma in the first place

Also how is this an opinion you form while last I recall seeing I had two votes at most while Dragon is at last I checked -2.

Hence it feels like you're "turtling", like hiding in a shell while things around you get wild. If you keep your head down long enough people may forget why they were voting Gamma in the first place

Also how is this an opinion you form while last I recall seeing I had two votes at most while Dragon is at last I checked -2.

Hence it feels like you're "turtling", like hiding in a shell while things around you get wild. If you keep your head down long enough people may forget why they were voting Gamma in the first place

Also how is this an opinion you form while last I recall seeing I had two votes at most while Dragon is at last I checked -2.

You were E-3 when you replaced in. So if you would continue reading and catch up completely you wouldn't need to ask this.

Realized I didn't answer why I started a reread. I'm caught up in all of my games so I've decided to start rereading

Didn’t answer why DGB to Titus either?

It's in the walls you didn't read

You were E-3 when you replaced in. So if you would continue reading and catch up completely you wouldn't need to ask this.

Oh look you're acknowledging that I'm not caught up

. Yeah fuck off.

I never said you were caught up dingus

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It would explain the weird vote swap from Kyo, Titus being so insistent on things, then DoTW coming back and swapping there.

I was thinking Titus was doing some kind of gambit but that doesn’t make sense with some recent posting she has done.

It's not weird to move your vote between scumreads.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

^I shouldn't have to post that but for whatever reason you're not aware of it. Whether you're being willfully ignorant or incidentally dense, time will tell.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It is when you haven’t let the first develop.
It usually means that you had a goal of always ending up on the second.

I'm not obligated to leave my vote in any particular place.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It is when you haven’t let the first develop.
It usually means that you had a goal of always ending up on the second.

I'm not obligated to leave my vote in any particular place.

No, you aren’t. But readwalls like the one on DGB take effort to do.
To not see the fruits from it is weird. It’s not a requirement but then immediately after to do one on Titus without a provoking post between (unless DGB calling you scum made you look elsewhere) is weird.

Nobody has to post something for me to move my vote. Just because I voted DGB doesn't mean I dropped my SR on Titus. Also, you're literally now posting that you are thinking along similar lines, so I am leaning towards this being willful ignorance because I don't fit in your box of my townplay from ONE GAME. See the bolded:

…what about wagons started by scum? They can only pile on so much << This goes in the can’t category.
It’s more like a Nero is too forced thing. I feel that’s where I am supposed to be manipulated to push rather than it being a natural wagon. I don’t know when that feeling started exactly but it was enhanced by something DGB said to me in the PT.

I kinda feel like if DGN is scum because of it someone told it to push a policy of Nero. It is missing more reads on people.

I kinda get torn voting it in case it is town so I am trying to go for the manipulators first

,

You followed Radio Buzz, right? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I was scumreading Titus before DGB. I briefly voted DGB, and went

back

to Titus. I had an "aha!" moment on DGB and voted, and it quickly settled in that it made more sense to vote Titus first because there's a possibility that DGB's situation is being taken advantage of by scum!Titus, rather than them being partners. Either way Titus is scum, but it's possible DGB could be town or scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have a meeting.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have a meeting.

When you get back:

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87397

I assume you mean this.

What am I looking for here?

An example of a towngame in stark contrast to the mini we just played. Actually all my completed games since returning to site have been town except large 233 and Osuka's Mini Normal "FIA WRC". You can look at any of them and probably none of them will look like this game

or

T3's mini normal we played together.

You'll also see examples of folks incorrectly scumreading me because I'm not playing the same way I did when I was town with them last time.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have my family coming into town next week. I'll be officially V/LA from Sept 21st-26th but am going to be busy getting things ready for them over the weekend as well.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Ythan what do you think of Dragon and his wagon (not necessarily the votes, but the voters) atm?

From what I can gather from 1344 and a quick skim of your iso, your catchup has resulted in 2 scumreads on Math and Nero and a TR on House. Vote is on Math because he's more scummy than Nero, but you still SR Nero, correct?

Seems like the focus of the game is on Dragon right now as his wagon prevails, but your posts/catchup are not focused there. That could be a good thing.

Also, do you think Nero and Math could be scum together?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

what about wagons started by scum? They can only pile on so much << This goes in the can’t category.
It’s more like a Nero is too forced thing. I feel that’s where I am supposed to be manipulated to push rather than it being a natural wagon. I don’t know when that feeling started exactly but it was enhanced by something DGB said to me in the PT.

So is your switch to a townread of Nero solely based on being worried about being manipulated to push Nero more than it is about your read of Nero's play? That seems like a shaky basis for a read unless you feel like the manipulation was super obvious

Vote Count 1.03

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3)

: Wake88, Kerset, Andresvmb

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Kinda feeling like there's scum on Nero wag.

House's talk about Nero pushing for a hood lim because Nero is informed of T/T, if anything, could be seen as House's own TMI spewing into the thread in order to frame up Nero on any hood lims or NKs.
If there is scum in the hood, my bet is on Math as DGB's play wrt the gambit aligns with its town meta, and I feel like it's possible that Math manipulated DGB into claiming

something

.
I'm not sure if I buy the outrage about outing Math's crumb, though Math didn't fake outrage in our last game together where he

was

scum, so possibly the hood is just t/t. From DGB's description it doesn't sound too much like it was manipulated into claiming, but DGB, if you felt at all like a horse being led to water, let me know. In truth that is what I was looking for, and what I expected to hear, but it seems like this may not be the case, in which case I don't have a case on Math at this time.
Gamma I got a bad feeling about early on and wasn't impressed by that last vote. I think the wagon has been on Nero long enough that if Gamma is scum, now is a good time to get on if Math, DGB, and House are all town. It doesn't look like a bus if Nero flips red, and there's little risk of the wagon dissipating, which means Gamma won't have to move his vote anywhere new anytime soon.

I feel like House or Gamma are the best bets actually, but House being scum is kinda contingent on t/t hood and aside from possible TMI he's seemed town.

How would I be manipulating DGB into claiming something?

It’s demonstrated I have a PT with DGB.
The only thing claimed is neighbors.
I did that first and then DGB narrowed it down.
So what manipulation would there be?

I don’t know if you’re just paranoid because of our last game or scum but this doesn’t logically add up

With leading questions in the hood, like the leading questions scum!you asked me about town!titus in our last game. I was specifically curious if there was anything like that in the PT, but didnt want to lead DGB there myself in case it is scum, and I don't think from its explanation that it is very likely that you led it there.

But yes, I am paranoid about you having manipulated DGB inside the hood specifically because of our last game.

I felt I was being manipulated into scumrrading Nero a bit, but then Nero wasn't helping himself. His more recent rebuttals had the passion of town, though

So now Math and DGB have both said they felt manipulated into SRing Nero by the other.

Wild stuff.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Almost50's iso feels like being drunk in a maze of funhouse mirrors.

I can vote A50.

But you know who has two thumbs and is scum?

THIS GUY

VOTE: Gamma

I’ll be back later.

Apologies - I am VLA until tonight.

Alright let’s see what’s happened since I’ve been away.

just popping in to say I've played with Andres 2-3 times before, he was town every time, and he did that every time. Posted excuses for why he's not around, especially on D1. Just his playstyle I think. To my knowledge he's never rolled scum though, I think I recall him saying that. So it could be NAI.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So now Math and DGB have both said they felt manipulated into SRing Nero by the other.

Hmmmm no

Paraphrasing...

Post #9

in the PT, Math asks me what I think of Nero. Math brought it up Monday around 6PM my time.
At this time THE GAME IS ON

PAGE 3.

To situate: viewtopic.php?p=12993559#p12993559

In the next post, I answer that I find Nero hard to read so I want to give it more time.

Post #11

, Math suggests we should talk more about Nero, and asks what I like, and dislike about Nero's posting. Says that I should try reading Nero even if it's hard. This post comes about 15 minutes after post #9 above.

I answer that it's way too early, and say something about Nero being a chaotic player and I need time to evaluate the type of chaos.

Math then says that Nero's outing of Math's "crumb" was anti-town.

=======================

You be the judge.

From this I dont understand why Math says he has felt manipulated into SRing Nero - Math, is this the whole truth, or is some of that account inaccurate or incomplete?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Math replies that it's not good for the town if we have to bulldoze over the alpha players to do this.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Is it pretty clear to most players that Math doesn't townread me in the least?

If you are around, please state whether you agree or disagree with the above statement.

I'd say agree though idk if he's scumreading you or not. Waffle sounds right like Math said

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't like how you're objecting to my procedure rather than the substance of what I said.

This feels targeted actually. Resumed my reread, waiting on a tire change :/

Targeted, like Titus knows Math would be receptive to the verbiage in this post. "Objecting to my procedure" I mean.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wouldn't put it past CSF and Kyo to town read me for the cred but I highly doubt my wagon is pure.

Oooh bonus points if A50 is scum lol
A50 tell was the same in the power me up game (I think that’s what it was)

Nero A50 Cat? Maaaaybe DGB but doubtful?

I am objecting to this gentleman being on jury on the basis he's shown preemptive bias against the defendant without cause.

This pocket is lovely.

Why do you think this is a pocket?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

With leading questions in the hood, like the leading questions scum!you asked me about town!titus in our last game. I was specifically curious if there was anything like that in the PT, but didnt want to lead DGB there myself in case it is scum, and I don't think from its explanation that it is very likely that you led it there.

But yes, I am paranoid about you having manipulated DGB inside the hood specifically because of our last game.

Interesting. I am flagging this for later.

It's odd because it supposes DGB is lead astray with leading questions when its more fooled by reinforcement.

I wasnt sure how to express the feeling I had the first time I read this, but I've got it now. What bugs me about this is at best it's foolish to assume I would know this about DGB, but at worst is a bad faith attempt to exploit her own knowledge of DGB's meta to paint me in a bad light.

Titus was in the game with Math and I. She saw what Math did and should be able to read my post and think "yeah, that makes sense, Math did just try to manipulate her into scumreading me in our last game together. That's a sign Kyouko is being vigilant for signs that Math may have rolled scum again". Or at least something along those lines.

I dont think a player with the experience Titus has makes the mistake of projecting that hard on to someone, which means this post wasn't an oversight, but was the off-the-cuff kind of post scum!Titus will make. Her first instinct with regards to DGB is it can be manipulated by reinforcement, which tells where her head is at, and imo clears DGB on a scum!Titus flip. I think she's sort of leaked where her head is at wrt DGB and slipped/TMIed that it is town in this game.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gamma pushed me and refused to fucking budge even when I told him that his reasoning was wrong and pointed out that his reasoning had been proven wrong several times b4. He doesn't get to whine and cry that I didn't believe him.

IDK what's going on with him and if he's going through something then I feel for him and sure maybe his emotions just filtered into the game but just scumreading a guy and not believing that a reaction was genuine isn't toxic.

Btw, Gamma tends to roll over as scum. That's meta but true. See Situation room.

Fwiw I don't like meta but I know some do.

Doesnt like meta, but is aware of how to manipulate specifically DGB? Or she made that up to make me look bad, but more likely she actually knows how to manipulate it, or thinks she does, and used that to say that my concern that DGB was being manipulated by leading questions is worth "flagging for later."

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Can you two stop fighting? I have a novel to write and DotW and ssbm won't eliminate themselves.

I also dont think this novel ever came - assuming this was a reference to a wallpost case that Titus is cooking up, and she isn't actually writing a book outside of game.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

waiting on a tire change :/

NO WAY same

Yeah the storm drains here sometimes have broken bars on them.because they're old. I've straight popped 2 tires in the past 3-4 months just driving a little too close to the side of the road (because oncoming cars) over a storm drain

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Milleresque role vs a counterclaim I fuckin take that bet even if I am miselimmed.

No way you town read me all game then say we counterclaim now.

You’d say something like we are designed to suspect each other.

Oh my lanta...

I think she meant that you and her are CCing Kerset and I being twins as a joke

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Almost50

Just consolidating with a few days left

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Would love if dragon and Nero would come this way as I prefer House's wagon comp but am not a fan of a House elimination. I think he's town, would rather eliminate someone I'm not TRing, preferably Titus, but I dont think that's happening.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Literally an opportunistic vote on the largest wagon.

I mean, I'm used to some of us old fucks being trollishly surface level scummy as town to fuck with people who have level 0 play, and that looks like what's going on here.

You're judging A50 like noobscum, which he is not.

VOTE: Wake88

Tataru.

A50 isn’t newb scum but this is his scum meta. I linked it from the charge me up game.

I am debating putting Kyo still in avatar jail or maybe House in c’mon and obvTown jail.

Anyone wanna be awesome and just like go “hey I am town?”

hey I am town?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also if anyone needs avatar jail it's DGB imo. It's a repeat offender.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: House

[ssbm_Kyouko]

nyah!

[ssbm_Kyouko]

nyah!

a wild neko has appeared

a wild neko has appeared

Who or what is a Neko?

Neko means cat in japanese. Cats say nyaa, not meow, in japanese. Mine was a "nyah" I stole the pagetop though, like skeletor's evil nyah, not a "nyaa" like nyaa uwu~

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: House

Looking forward to reasons.

even though I think House is pretty likely to be scum I too would like to hear words.

Well I TRed him early and was hesitant to revisit but I dont like the attitude he's taken with you and also he and Titus seem to TR each other so if House goes I'm one step closer to Titus. I'm clearly not getting her today so I'll try again tomorrow most likely.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

getting leashed and turning the game into a double elimination is pro-town play. If you think Andre is a bad shot tell me who is a good shot.

Andre is a bad shot on N1. He takes time to turn on. I'd just shoot Titus but I doubt you'd do that. A50 or Wake are decent shots, especially if one is eliminated and flips town. Then we know a lot on D2.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

When i vote CSF, no one cares. When CSF votes me then everyone speaks up.

CSF is a vanity wagon, come on to a real one

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus calling DOTW scum and then not fighting for that wagon and then joining an easier wake wagon is pretty meh

I do think it's interesting that you didn't rail against me for "protecting Titus who must be my buddy since I was defending her" or some asinine bullshit.

No, Nero TRs Titus, this is part of why I'm voting you though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: House

Looking forward to reasons.

even though I think House is pretty likely to be scum I too would like to hear words.

Well I TRed him early and was hesitant to revisit but I dont like the attitude he's taken with you and also he and Titus seem to TR each other so if House goes I'm one step closer to Titus. I'm clearly not getting her today so I'll try again tomorrow most likely.

Would you be open to an Andres elim today?

I don't think so. If I'm absolutely needed for it by deadline, sure, anyone is better than no lim, but imo he's just going to flip town. His play looks the same as it normally does when he is town so I really dont have high hopes for this wagon.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

getting leashed and turning the game into a double elimination is pro-town play. If you think Andre is a bad shot tell me who is a good shot.

Andre is a bad shot on N1. He takes time to turn on. I'd just shoot Titus but I doubt you'd do that. A50 or Wake are decent shots, especially if one is eliminated and flips town. Then we know a lot on D2.

If we lim Andre & he's actually a vig, he's coming for me.

Also, your post is curious considering you're claiming to scumread me but didn't list me as a vig target.

Why would I shoot you when I can shoot Titus? I literally just said I'm trying to eliminate you to get closer to eliminating Titus. I don't need to bother if I can just shoot her.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

getting leashed and turning the game into a double elimination is pro-town play. If you think Andre is a bad shot tell me who is a good shot.

Andre is a bad shot on N1. He takes time to turn on. I'd just shoot Titus but I doubt you'd do that. A50 or Wake are decent shots, especially if one is eliminated and flips town. Then we know a lot on D2.

VOTE: House

Looking forward to reasons.

even though I think House is pretty likely to be scum I too would like to hear words.

Well I TRed him early and was hesitant to revisit but I dont like the attitude he's taken with you and also he and Titus seem to TR each other so if House goes I'm one step closer to Titus. I'm clearly not getting her today so I'll try again tomorrow most likely.

If I'm in the way of the Titus lim, and we lim not!me, why are you not telling him to shoot me?

These posts do not align.

Because Nero is not me. I told Nero what I would do (shoot Titus). You're not reading very closely or you'd see there is no contradiction and they do align.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If "i want to lim House in order to more easily lim Titus" doesn't scream seeing up mislims, idk what does.

Well, when I'm screaming it, it doesn't really make sense to come from scum. I just want my scum lim and you're in the way. Maybe you're wrong on Titus, maybe you're scum with her. I don't really care.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus calling DOTW scum and then not fighting for that wagon and then joining an easier wake wagon is pretty meh

I do think it's interesting that you didn't rail against me for "protecting Titus who must be my buddy since I was defending her" or some asinine bullshit.

No, Nero TRs Titus, this is part of why I'm voting you though

When Nero does it, he's wrong town.

When you piggyback, you're just scum.

Nero didn't vote you because you were defending Titus. I'm not piggybacking on that, nor am I scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

getting leashed and turning the game into a double elimination is pro-town play. If you think Andre is a bad shot tell me who is a good shot.

Andre is a bad shot on N1. He takes time to turn on. I'd just shoot Titus but I doubt you'd do that. A50 or Wake are decent shots, especially if one is eliminated and flips town. Then we know a lot on D2.

If we lim Andre & he's actually a vig, he's coming for me.

Also, your post is curious considering you're claiming to scumread me but didn't list me as a vig target.

Why would I shoot you when I can shoot Titus? I literally just said I'm trying to eliminate you to get closer to eliminating Titus. I don't need to bother if I can just shoot her.

But you know he won't do that as be townreads her, so your 2nd best option is to have him shoot me, who he's been pushing all day and will gladly pull the trigger on.

My point remains.

My assumption in making that post is that one of you, wake, or a50 will get limmed, as you 3 have been the wagons leading up to end of day. If you are limmed you cant be shot. If one of them is limmed, the other is the best shot for information.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus calling DOTW scum and then not fighting for that wagon and then joining an easier wake wagon is pretty meh

I do think it's interesting that you didn't rail against me for "protecting Titus who must be my buddy since I was defending her" or some asinine bullshit.

No, Nero TRs Titus, this is part of why I'm voting you though

When Nero does it, he's wrong town.

When you piggyback, you're just scum.

Nero didn't vote you because you were defending Titus. I'm not piggybacking on that, nor am I scum.

That's not what I said, so your post is irrelevant. *shrug*

I was just trying not to continue bashing the superficiality of his push when the point had already been made 10k times

What did you mean by "it" when you said "When Nero does it, he's wrong town"?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I dont think Andres was the leading wagon in 1828 but maybe I am wrong

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh I guess next time I dont understand you I should just assume you're literally lying about what you did or didnt say and not ask for clarification then

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So you're saying I'm piggybacking on Nero's shitpush when I've provided the reason I'm voting for you?

I said "this is part of why I'm scumreading you." "This" being the asinine "protecting Titus who must be my buddy." Now it is lazy of me to have said "this", because it's not quite on the mark. I'm not convinced you're Titus's partner at all, but you are an obstacle in the way of eliminating her, and if I cant get her today I'll be trying toMorrow, so that lends me motivation to vote for you toDay.

I'm not even sure why Nero was voting you and frankly I don't care. I think the dismissive attitude you took with him initially is anti-town at best and the longer it's gone on the less anti-town and the more scummy it has looked to me.

I'm assuming piggybacking meant sheeping - did it not? Where did you get the idea that I was sheeping Nero's shitpush on you?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I was hoping to not claim and save the kill or something and see if someone complained about being blocked then claim and out them. Now I am fucking useless.

How many times do I have to say fucking “jail” in my ISO huh?

Told Titus I was a clone of her like the Flubber game c’mon.

disregard my suggestion to jail DGB then

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wait how does keep things in perspective mean JK?

"keep" = jail"keep"er

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If we are doing srs votes now

VOTE: mathblade

according to House I voted scum right out of the gate but he spent all day talking about how my reads are soooooooooooo bad. I don't believe him, obviously.

I also do not believe House's claim but will still vote out Titus if the wind blows that way.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

child, please

Spoiler: non-game related

I read this in Andre's voice lmao (from The League, which maybe you've seen based on your sig)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This is what I get for typing code tags manually (:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It’s just fake because of the hundreds of times House could have pressured me for Milleresque role and how many times I used jail must have been a record for me.

I crumbed my exact role many times.

yeah actually though, it was obvious you were softing JK, I thought you'd decided to just keep dropping softs so that scum would think it was fake.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Scum has no use for a

simple

jailkeeper

[ssbm_Kyouko]

(House's role sounds a lot like a Traitor JOAT to me now that you include Neighborizer)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

UNVOTE:

Gonna go shower and clear my head.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

Interesting unvote.

Worried about being on a green flip?

Even if that was the case, why does town!you care so much of the lim good through while you're afk? If it flips green, I just die tomorrow anyway. Either way we're limmed is +Town as long as 1 flips scum.

The only reason that unvoting makes sense is if you know that's not going to happen.

Worried your mainscum is going to look bad when you flip traitor?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Enjoy the ride.

me on the ride

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wait a minute, I'm confused. If Math is a simple jk, how does he stop PRs from working?

Neighborizer hits VT.
I block VT.
Neighborize doesn’t work.

JK doesn't work this way, you're describing Rolestopper. I get them mixed up too.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

hmm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dwlee really seems to have cooked one up...

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Anyone wanna flashwagon Ythan because Gamma was scum?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I feel like mechanically Math and House will sort themselves out. There's no way this is theatre so I'mma big dip on this
VOTE: Wake
Still down for Titus, Ythan, A50, but Wake actually has a wagon. Less down for A50 because of the Watcher softs. Now that we have 2 claims out I think it's good to voice this now rather than waiting until toMorrow which was originally what I'd planned. I think making sure that town!Math and town!House and the scumteam aware of the softs is good now because if all 3 are town it's going to make it difficult for scum to choose correctly.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Where’s the town Titus? Rah rah listen to me roar?

This is cooperative and quiet Titus which scares me she’s scum. Cooperative and loud I could see town scum

But like I am so paranoid of her it’s not even funny

Titus is my preference today but most likely it's not going to happen.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I feel like mechanically Math and House will sort themselves out. There's no way this is theatre so I'mma big dip on this
VOTE: Wake
Still down for Titus, Ythan, A50, but Wake actually has a wagon. Less down for A50 because of the Watcher softs. Now that we have 2 claims out I think it's good to voice this now rather than waiting until toMorrow which was originally what I'd planned. I think making sure that town!Math and town!House and the scumteam aware of the softs is good now because if all 3 are town it's going to make it difficult for scum to choose correctly.

Didn't anybody teach you that highlighting PR crumbs was bad??

There are enough PRs claimed that it's become beneficial to address it asap, because if you're scum you may try to coast on it. Bringing it up now will prevent that.

If you did it as a VT to bait the kill, you can thank me from the dead thread. At this point in the game I think it was the most pro-town course of action.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Where’s the town Titus? Rah rah listen to me roar?

This is cooperative and quiet Titus which scares me she’s scum. Cooperative and loud I could see town scum

But like I am so paranoid of her it’s not even funny

Here's a hint: You SR Titus. You also acknowledge that your reads of each other are less than random accurate. Occam's Razor: Titus is the opposite of what you think she is.

Why is why I wanna flash wagon Kyo to see if I have a rare game I read Titus correctly or not.

Kyo scumreads Titus. Kyo on a wagon with Titus makes no sense

Anyone is better than no lim

[ssbm_Kyouko]

viewtopic.php?p=12998817#p12998817
viewtopic.php?p=12999519#p12999519
Based on these post I would say

Kyouko is probably town.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87627&p=12999555&hi ... #p12999555
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87627&p=12999560&hi ... #p12999560
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87627&p=12999584&hi ... #p12999584
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87627&p=13006243&hi ... #p13006243
Based on these post I would say

House is probably town.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87627&p=13003635&hi ... #p13003635
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87627&p=13003309&hi ... #p13003309
Based on these post I would say

CSF is probably town.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87627&p=13008756&hi ... #p13008756
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87627&p=13010551&hi ... #p13010551
Based on these post I would say

A50 is probably town.

When I made 1096 I thought Wake might be a PR actually

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just kill me

VOTE: DGB

Make it quick.

Nobody hammer this til I'm caught up, no idea what's going on currently. Btw parents are leaving tomorrow, not Sunday, so I'll have some time sooner than I expected.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hey, not feeling well guys. Please bear with me. I'm also low activities.

Random note: I just got my shipment of green unicorn iguanas in!

Is this a crumb?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hey, not feeling well guys. Please bear with me. I'm also low activities.

Random note: I just got my shipment of green unicorn iguanas in!

Cool hey..lemme pass you about 49 boxes of kleenex. Feel better!

What the fuck is going on

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Something is very wrong

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay so we have either an a50 clear or an a50 goon guilty or a dgb guilty is that right?

Or one or both of math and house are scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Or if math and house are both town it is possible scum no killed because they expected that due to Math and House's abilities that it would be impossible to know who is innocent or guilty based on their results. For this scum has to assume House will try to roleblock though.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

For those of you who think DGB is scum, who with?

For those of you who think DGB is town, who is scum?

A) Ythan

B) Ythan & someone else.



Seriously though, maybe we need to all calm down and analyze how D1 went down separately. Maybe everyone should give reasons to why they think X, Y & Z are cleared by now.

The reason I put House back in my PoE is his behaviour around the Wake yeet wagon. Coupled with Wake self-hammering it felt like "maybe" Wake realized House was defending him too hard at that point, taking away all previous anti-associatives. In my mind, it could be that House did approach Wake to help him get into the game, and was expressing genuine disappointment it didn't work out, while Wake was angry to be pushed by hi own partner. Also Wake flipping Rolecop after House had claimed a Rolecop shot is... a bit confusing to say the least?

Overnight I did a quick revision and this is what I put down in my notes:

Nero is Town (484)
Cat is Town (1456)
Kerset is Town (1784)
Math is Town (1820 & 1822)
Kyouko is Town (1977)
Andres is Town (hard pushed by Scum!Wake)
Titus is Town (stood her ground on the Wake wagon)
DotW is “probably” Town (gut read)

The remaining 2 scums are in DGB/House/Ythan

Note: With the exception of SRing Math; Nero's initial reads prove magical as always

Now unless House has suddenly turned into a RADIANTCOWBELL clone I don't think him & DGB are scum partners, so Ythan is now my prime suspect. Looking back at his entrance he was oddly focused on whether my lullaby rhymed. That was a strange thing to be pivoted on after replacing into the game.

Haven't read these linked posts yet to validate the legwork yet, just quoting with some added post tags for later

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What do you make of House saying he blocked DGB?

I can neither believe nor disbelieve him. I think it's much much more likely you protected me though,

I said I was a "self-targeting FN", meaning I can only be confirmed to myself.. i.e. a VT. You said you'd JK me, and I accepted, even before I got your "Simple" modifier crumb.

The Kyouko somehow found imaginary crumbs for me that I was a Watcher, and I rolled with it. I couldn't have cared less if Scum thought I was a PR and worth their shot.

So, if you did target me you most likely did protect me.

"imaginary"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I had a gut feeling you were faking watcher crumbs.

I wasn't even. Kyouko brought it up, and I rolled with it. I didn't even ask what crumbs because it would have confirmed me as NOT being a Watcher.

@Kyouko: Now is the time to show me my so-called Watcher crumbs. Thank you.

I mean... you don't already know?

This post pings me. Reads similarly to how A50 acted in 235 where the whole time he was super jovial and unhelpful. I don't know if that's A50's schtick but it seems scum indicative to me

Just because a



is acting



doesn't make them a p

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I said I was a "self-targeting FN"

You copied that claim from me, btw.

Ready for some moonlogic House?

I have a really weird theory.

I love moon logic.

DGB And A50.

A50 is scum watcher.
Claiming watcher dooms DGB to elim.
So he has to claim VT.

But I think I may be paranoid and A50 is probably VT but I hate my paranoia.

That would make for a hilarious dead thread, if dwlee outed night actions.

If this is the case Math is just a Simple Doctor because if House is town his block only works on PRs, if House blocked DGB and A50 is a scum watcher, then all 3 of the scumteam are PRs, meaning Math's role is just a doc. Weird to think the mod would make him a JK instead of a doc, if his only ability effectively is to doc. Maybe the idea is to bait Math into trying to stop the kill by targeting a potential goon, but seems like a weird train of thought to entertain, even if it's moon

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nah I think A50 scum watcher doesn’t make sense.
Because Wake is Voyeur.

Tbh I was hoping to be useless you claim watcher and DGB lock scum. I was hoping I was wrong and you were a Watcher.

Didnt someone (DGB?) say he flipped rolecop? I've been away and assumed that was correct, will have to double check

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh I see he was combined

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Why the weird iguana talk with Titus?

Is there a new rule against social talk in a game thread? You see a friend talk about something in their life and you respond to it. That's normal in my book.

Also, why haven't you asked Ythan the same question? He wanted to see them iguana's. Why is my talking about them any different?

Because Ythan isn’t in you and DGB.

Titus I think would have told me about iguanas.

So I think something weird is happening.

yes, something weird is happening there I am pretty sure.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

All images of watches

ROFLMGO!

Read the BRANDS!

DtoW said I was acting "Jovial" so I said "Just because a CITIZEN was acting JOVIAL doesn't mean they're SEIKO (Psycho)". That's yet another VT crumb. CITIZEN!

lmao

[ssbm_Kyouko]

(I did read the brands and understood the post was a string of pins, but thought it was a watcher crumb)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dgb can you unvote yourself?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Ok Stephen Hawking, why does Math block DGB's shot?

I call this a slip.

VOTE: House

House Kerset?

House DGB, and DGB tried to kill A50, is the implication of A50's post.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Could also do Kyo Kerset Kyo has been hella quiet

I have family in town for another day

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@House why didn't you use rolecop on Math? Complex rb had insanely low chance to success.

Not against a neighbor, it didn't.

DGB was a proven PR.

Derp.

Why does scum send a PR to kill you instead of a goon if they know you are Complex?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nero will continue pushing both Math and I under the presumption that your green flip means we HAVE to be the remaining scum.

you mock and put words into my mouth.

I already think scum is you and 1 of DBG/ythan/kerset/CSF

I don’t see House + DBG unless they shot A50 and I kinda doubt it.

House wouldn’t visit a partner in the case they thought A50 was a watcher

.

I dont understand this. What are you implying with the bold?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

A50, can we pick a scum to camp on while town bickers like last time?

I have way too many theories going through my mind right now I can't decide who

is

scum. Truth be told, when I try to recite my TRs from memory (i.e. when I'm thinking of the game while offline) I only have you, Nero & Andres on my mind. When I come back and look at the players list (but still no reasoning or details) I also remember Kyouko & DotW. Everyone lese has some good and some bad, and any of them could be scum. This means I have 6 clears (including myself) and 6 in the pool. Not enough for an auto win. I need at least one more clear (preferably 2, but 1 will do), and it doesn't help that neither CSF nor Kyouko are talking.

did I not publicly announce my VLA in this game? Could have sworn I cross posted it but everyone acts like I just dipped

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay so we have either an a50 clear or an a50 goon guilty or a dgb guilty is that right?

Or one or both of math and house are scum

This doesn’t seem like Town!kyoko.

I can’t be scum without DGB scum. Both me and House is impossible for that reason unless you suspect four scum or scum no killed which both seem preposterous given a D1 flip,

why cant you be scum without DGB? As I recall you two are neighbors, nothing forces you two to be scum together does it? Been VLA for a bit and forgot.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Or if math and house are both town it is possible scum no killed because they expected that due to Math and House's abilities that it would be impossible to know who is innocent or guilty based on their results. For this scum has to assume House will try to roleblock though.

Town works in probable not possible.

Fairly certain you know this is not the case with the experience you have with me but maybe I am remembering that game incorrectly.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I said I was a "self-targeting FN"

You copied that claim from me, btw.

Ready for some moonlogic House?

I have a really weird theory.

I love moon logic.

DGB And A50.

A50 is scum watcher.
Claiming watcher dooms DGB to elim.
So he has to claim VT.

But I think I may be paranoid and A50 is probably VT but I hate my paranoia.

That would make for a hilarious dead thread, if dwlee outed night actions.

If this is the case Math is just a Simple Doctor because if House is town his block only works on PRs, if House blocked DGB and A50 is a scum watcher, then all 3 of the scumteam are PRs, meaning Math's role is just a doc. Weird to think the mod would make him a JK instead of a doc, if his only ability effectively is to doc. Maybe the idea is to bait Math into trying to stop the kill by targeting a potential goon, but seems like a weird train of thought to entertain, even if it's moon

In that world I am a JK to look bad to house rolecop possibly.

A rolecop would see you are simple though. Why would scum have a simple JK? All that can do is prevent a goon from being shot, and it also prevents the goon from killing. Don't recall if scum are multitasking but I'll assume they're not as that is default, which ties up 2 of the 3 scum and forces the third to do the factional kill. I dont think a rolecop ever buys that a Simple JK is a scum role.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You blocked DGB. There is no kill.
I jailkept A50. There is no kill.

DGB is most likely scum here.

And if not we prove a shit ton rather than assume it.
I use assumptions as scum to manipulate games.

I would rather prove things.

Pedit: There’s likely two.

But anywhere else has a much greater shot of hitting town.

Ergo only DGB or Kerset

Oh I forgot there was no kill

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hi. I'm House. Let me save the most helpful ability for last.

I'd argue that rolecop is his most pro-town ability and he's choosing to use that last? Maybe its just me but for a supposed townie that's worried about getting nk'd you'd want to use your rolecop ability the most and get town info. It feels like he's just stringing us along.

Yeah this

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Elimming DGB proves Kerset scum regardless of flip as Kerset doesn’t want to elim DGB but says I am scum.

This is logically inconsistent.

NO IT ISN'T

Your alignment is not attached at the hip to DGB's. It is completely reasonable to believe that DGB is town and you are scum. It is illogical to say you 2 have to be scum together if either of you are scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I see DotW is posting everything I'm thinking as im catching up so that's good

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You push me incessantly despite scum me requires DGB.

WHERE DID I PUSH YOU? QUOTES

Math is scum
Math is scum
Math is scum

Repeating it over and over is pushing.

I will not quote a majority of your ISO.

If you were town you’d be like “DGB is scum” “oh yeah if DGB flips scum so is Math”

That is a Townie mindset.

I've read enough of this tbh
VOTE: Mathblade

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Meanwhile; Ythan is the quietest player on D2. Can someone tell me what Ythan did that looked town to you? Would be helpful if you quoted them posts you think look townie to you. Thanks

There is nothing and the predecessor was scum and replaced out, but people lost convictiom.when Gamma replaced. Math/Ythan are last 2? (I think this was the game we limmed scum in, I'm a bit mixed up after VLA)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The most protown move is to rolecop (which tbh should be done on previous night).

even if Kerset is scum this is correct

So, is scum!Kerset advising scum!me on how to use my role here in the game thread instead of our PT?

I thought we killed a scum yesterDay so unless there are 4 scum, no this isn't happening (Math is scum)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Unless it's eliminated toDay, I'm Neighborizing DGB so we can trade gossip toMorrow if I live.

There's something else y'all can use to base a vote on me for.

Do not do this if Math flips town. There is a Traffic Analyst that needs to check DGB and if you neighborize it you will break the TA's result.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nobody react to my TA assertion, especially if you are the TA.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

/inb4 "1329 is scummy"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Someone have a recipe with few appliances/ingredients to share? Newbie cook with small apartment.

Microwave + frozen burritos

I keep mine thawed in the fridge so i only have to nuke them 42-43 seconds per side. Warm so the way through, don't have to wait for them to cool.

I was hoping for non microwave.

If you’re making sweets cookies at about 450 degrees does the trick.

If you’re going for more of a let’s see how this goes:
Try this 400 degree recipe https://www.google.com/amp/s/teacupofwa ... iment/amp/

If you’re in the mood for a fry it now try these 532 ginger recipes
https://www.bonappetit.com/recipes/slid ... ger-ginger

Just remember to clean up after yourself. I don’t think you belong in newbie jail but sometimes with how you say things I wanna then realize it’s dumb and just mope around.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Bullshit - you’re not this bad at Mafia. I am a terrible choice regardless of whether you dislike me complaining about people’s bad reads of my slot.

This is where I'm caught up to. Stopping for now

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Alright I'm caught up here. Cat wagon is a bit woof tbh

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Unless it's eliminated toDay, I'm Neighborizing DGB so we can trade gossip toMorrow if I live.

There's something else y'all can use to base a vote on me for.

Do not do this if Math flips town. There is a Traffic Analyst that needs to check DGB and if you neighborize it you will break the TA's result.

Why are we talking if I flip town?

I go off as asked and come back to this?

I don’t see myself living past tomorrow in most worlds as I will be shot.

Because if you are town, I think DGB is scum, and neighborizing it, or claiming to neighborize it, is a way to circumvent TA guilties. I am preempting this in case the team is House/DGB, to prevent them from wriggling out via this fakeclaim.

If you flip town, and House neighborizes DGB, I'll treat any "can communicate with living players" as a guilty on DGB. If that situation occurs, then DGB flips scum, House will be next. If DGB flips town there I would consider other options.

If I don't say any of this, House and DGB have plausible deniability (assuming you are town, assuming there is a TA). I need this out there for legacy in the event I am NKed after you are eliminated (which is what scum!DGB would be angling for right now if you are town).

Just covering my bases because if I'm wrong I think I die. If I'm right and you're scum though, none of this applies. Maybe I get killed, maybe not.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Unless it's eliminated toDay, I'm Neighborizing DGB so we can trade gossip toMorrow if I live.

There's something else y'all can use to base a vote on me for.

Do not do this if Math flips town. There is a Traffic Analyst that needs to check DGB and if you neighborize it you will break the TA's result.

Why are we talking if I flip town?

I go off as asked and come back to this?

I don’t see myself living past tomorrow in most worlds as I will be shot.

Because if you are town, I think DGB is scum, and neighborizing it, or claiming to neighborize it, is a way to circumvent TA guilties. I am preempting this in case the team is House/DGB, to prevent them from wriggling out via this fakeclaim.

If you flip town, and House neighborizes DGB, I'll treat any "can communicate with living players" as a guilty on DGB. If that situation occurs, then DGB flips scum, House will be next. If DGB flips town there I would consider other options.

If I don't say any of this, House and DGB have plausible deniability (assuming you are town, assuming there is a TA). I need this out there for legacy in the event I am NKed after you are eliminated (which is what scum!DGB would be angling for right now if you are town).

Just covering my bases because if I'm wrong I think I die. If I'm right and you're scum though, none of this applies. Maybe I get killed, maybe not.

If you think I am scum then DGB is de facto scum.

Help me bus DGB.

Explain why DGB is scum with you "de facto"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If math is town then DGB has to be neighbor already. Then TA will always give "can communicate with living players" anyway. I don't get your point green kerset.

My point hinges on Math being eliminated and flipping town toDay, at which point DGB will no longer be able to communicate with a living player in private if it is a town neighbor, but will be able to if it is a scum neighbor.

Math flips.scum here anyways, but if I'm wrong, it's possible House and DGB are partners so he cannot be allowed that out.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Unless it's eliminated toDay, I'm Neighborizing DGB so we can trade gossip toMorrow if I live.

There's something else y'all can use to base a vote on me for.

Do not do this if Math flips town. There is a Traffic Analyst that needs to check DGB and if you neighborize it you will break the TA's result.

Why are we talking if I flip town?

I go off as asked and come back to this?

I don’t see myself living past tomorrow in most worlds as I will be shot.

Because if you are town, I think DGB is scum, and neighborizing it, or claiming to neighborize it, is a way to circumvent TA guilties. I am preempting this in case the team is House/DGB, to prevent them from wriggling out via this fakeclaim.

If you flip town, and House neighborizes DGB, I'll treat any "can communicate with living players" as a guilty on DGB. If that situation occurs, then DGB flips scum, House will be next. If DGB flips town there I would consider other options.

If I don't say any of this, House and DGB have plausible deniability (assuming you are town, assuming there is a TA). I need this out there for legacy in the event I am NKed after you are eliminated (which is what scum!DGB would be angling for right now if you are town).

Just covering my bases because if I'm wrong I think I die. If I'm right and you're scum though, none of this applies. Maybe I get killed, maybe not.

If you think I am scum then DGB is de facto scum.

Help me bus DGB.

Explain why DGB is scum with you "de facto"

Because no nightkill overnight.

I as scum do not no kill with a vig crumb
A (redacted crumb) which I signaled I saw
A (redacted crumb) from today
A (redacted crumb) of X
And a buddy who is an invest dying on D1.

That does not happen.

Therefore House town DGB scum has to be true in a me scum world.

So help me “bus” DGB.

Oh, I think either you or House could conceivably no kill as scum to obfuscate the other's result, so the premise that you dont no kill isn't solid for me.

Logic stands, but the premise is flawed imo, so I dont agree with the conclusion.

At least you answered coherently this time though.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I gotta snooze, already 1:30

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If math is town then DGB has to be neighbor already. Then TA will always give "can communicate with living players" anyway. I don't get your point green kerset.

My point hinges on Math being eliminated and flipping town toDay, at which point DGB will no longer be able to communicate with a living player in private if it is a town neighbor, but will be able to if it is a scum neighbor.

Math flips.scum here anyways, but if I'm wrong, it's possible House and DGB are partners so he cannot be allowed that out.

A> I am not scum
B> I am not being elimmed today
C> Why are you ignoring the multiple people who have known me a super long time saying I don’t no kill?

Assume I am mod confirmed IC then what?

Then probably it makes the most sense to massclaim starting with A50 and DGB and go from.there. mechanically it's still ambiguous without knowing House's alignment.

This isn't the case though. If you were dead and flipped town though, that I've already covered. House can't neighborize DGB because of the TA, and if he does, they're both next to eliminate.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not interested in bussing this early.

Could you please take this game seriously, House?

You were asking for me to come

in

and play and now I'm here.

Could you please answer my questions seriously when I ask them?

Is this a slip actually? Implying House had asked him.in the PT to come in to the main thread? Would explain why House was trying to coax Wake into the game.

I also feel like wake.iso indicates town!A50 so if House is scum, that means the kill was stopped by Math.

Giving a scum JOAT a neighborize is a good way to allow scum to counterplay a TA.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus saying she trusts House and to neighborize her is sus as fuck.

If they’re already neighbors it fits.

Timing for the moonlogic isn't here yet.

TA, if they have a brain, will not check House. This is non-negotiable. I'm not discussing this further.

Cool I disagree so apparently I have no brain. My “non brain” considers not checking House on quite possibly the only night a person can a scum claim.

Neighborizer occurs before invesigator.

That's the point of the TA checking House. It makes him use his rolecop instead of his neighborize.

What did the cat claim again? Rhetorical, gonna go check

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: House maybe Nero and Almost could join Dragon and I on this ride

I think that'd be a pure dragon-wagon. A50 I think is spewed town by Wake. The purest.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Math jails A50 and TA checks A50 isn't a bad shout if we hit town outside of the hood toDay. If we hit town in the hood, TAing the hoodmate is ideal.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Math, the more you try to force the TA into a wasted action, the more I scumread SSBM for going along with it.

In the end the TA will do what they like, we can only offer general advice and explain why it makes mechanical sense. I don't see you disproving the soundness of any of the suggestions.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yes, let's pretend the mystical vig exists.

I'm assuming it does not or we would have seen a kill last Night. Might still see one toNight, but if CSF role is real it's probably a red herring and the non-backup vig does not exist.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Ssbm is probably scum.

Is that why I have no idea what they've been saying? I feel like I am reading the game on mushrooms.

First one to assume a TA exists. Trying to get them to waste their shot.

Feeding into wasting said TA's action.

Trying to control House.

I technically suggested a PT cop or TA in the DGB/me hood long before Kyo.

Your logic is flawed.

My problem is ssbm sheeping that crap.

Also ssbm outed in thread revealing it to scum if it exists.

I am not sheeping that, I've come to the conclusion on my own. Outing it is not a problem, because it is pro-town to reveal.it regardless of House's alignment. If he is town, his neighborizer is negative utility. If he is scum who actually has a neighborizer, revealing the probable existence of a TA discourages him from using it to obfuscate results, because he's been publicly discouraged from doing so.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Ythan lies.

Show me all those times I fake claim if this is a thing. You're talking out of your ass.

Not doing a meta dive on a role that should not exist.

Ungated cop with a nerfed TA which is a nerfed cop to begin with makes zero sense.

Titus is starting to sound like me in Calculasia.

Titus I think we should mass claim. Agree or disagree?

Does this mean I'm getting a Titus lim?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Which is why I’m trying to find associations with Wake. One of the two teammates at the very least interacted in a funny way with Wake at some point. I’m certain of it. We should be looking for

that

.

and why can't that be House? dude made some silly request asking Wake to read part of his ISO.

Vote Count 1.29

Wake88 (4)

- House, Titus, Almost50, MathBlade

House (3)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, ssbm_Kyouko

Almost50 (2)

- Wake88, DrippingGoofball

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Andresvmb (1)

- Kerset

Kerset (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

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7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

House, Titus, and Math are VLA through the 20th of September.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Vote Count 1.30

Andresvmb (4)

- Kerset, House, DrippingGoofball, Wake88

Wake88 (3)

- Titus, Almost50, MathBlade

House (3)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, ssbm_Kyouko

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Kerset (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

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7

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Mod Notes:

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Assuming you’re town and this isn’t an SvS wagon then our answer is probably here.

House is probably scum abandoning the bus and why your wagon started would be a good question.

Kinda points back to my Kerset / House PoE.

If you’re both scum probably a sideliner

Pretty sure recent posting is town!Andres

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh first 2 quotes I was going to affirm that wake and house had that weird interaction and also there was the potential wake slip I pointed to earlier.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Ythan lies.

Show me all those times I fake claim if this is a thing. You're talking out of your ass.

Not doing a meta dive on a role that should not exist.

Ungated cop with a nerfed TA which is a nerfed cop to begin with makes zero sense.

Titus is starting to sound like me in Calculasia.

Titus I think we should mass claim. Agree or disagree?

Does this mean I'm getting a Titus lim?

You tell me. You wanna join the shiny Titus wagon?

Probably yeah. I think the associatives point more towards House but I wanted Titus D1 and couldn't get her. I'll go Kerset as well but that's just POE.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Fuck it.

We're massclaiming because I fucking hate this game now.

Novice Traffic Analyst. Ignuanas were my crumbs. If they leapt terribly, someone had a PT.

How are iguanas a crumb for TA?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nyah!

Pedit: fuck I was refreshing for that one and got sniped

[ssbm_Kyouko]

*checks deadline*
4 days 20 hours

Nice

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Kerset