Mini 1758: Game Over
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@Performer: My vote's on Zulfy as of Post 36, but it may have been missed because it wasn't at the beginning of a line. I'll make sure to put all future votes at the start of lines.
Not really. I get a nullread on the tictac/Random back-and-forth.-
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In post 140, SirCakez wrote:In post 139, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm actually pretty sure Camn is scum and it's already 6 pages in.
I mean there's the risk of it being a confbias since it's this early in the game but I think she's actually just scum again here.
I don't see this at all. Explain?
I second this. It sounds like this is a meta-based read, so if you could elaborate, RC, that'd be great.
It's also weird that despite being "pretty sure Camn is scum", you didn't get your vote on her until 4 posts later.-
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Hmph. The frivolity in this thread.
I suppose my conscience can get behind this. I like what he says, but not how he votes.-
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Some reads:
CKD seems like a townie.
Lokiben seems like a townie.
Camn seems like a townie.
RC seems like a townie who's been told that if he's NK'ed he'd be killed in real life, too.
Zulfy tripped my alarms early but hasn't made me suspect him since.
Tictac is scummy because of the way his posts appear to stretch the facts to support the vote that would be most fashionable.
Everyone else is null (I'd say everyone else is a little scummy, but then they can't all be scum).
In 1380 I decided I would take tons of notes and put them through analysis. This gave me a lot of junk to fill posts with, but it turned out to be just that- junk. I'm going with my gut this time. I also seemed louder in 1380 because that game was quieter than this one.-
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Let's let democracy solve the SRMP avatar issue. If you think SRMP should get an avatar, vote tictac. If not, vote no lynch.
By the way, SRMP, do you still think Zulfy is the scummiest?
In post 256, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:In post 255, curiouskarmadog wrote:In post 252, RadiantCowbells wrote:Every single post by Camn pings my gut
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In post 272, tictac wrote:In post 227, a plain farmer wrote:Some reads:
A reads-list in response to me pointing out that your play is different from 1380, where your early play was list heavy.
Looks more like you are correcting your play to match the earlier game, than an attempt to contribute.
I just wanted to make my opinions known. Also, I'll preemptively let everyone know that I'm an indecisive person, so changes in my reads should be considered null tells.
Camn seems like a townie.
Why?
I like her votes.
RC seems like a townie who's been told that if he's NK'ed he'd be killed in real life, too.
I agree.
Why doyouthink so? Being afraid of getting lynched is usually seen as a scum-tell.
Cowbells' posts haven't indicated fear of the noose so far. We can WIFOM his posting into scum-tells, but we probably shouldn't do that on D1.
Also, I see that Cowbells is in tons of games on this site, so the body of Cowbells meta is huge. But I've only read through one of these games (Diablo III Mafia), and Cowbells was scum in it. Scum Cowbells had a different playstyle than what I'm seeing now (interestingly, it had more scum-hunting). If Diablo III Cowbells isn't representative of scum Cowbells, let me know.
Tictac is scummy because of the way his posts appear to stretch the facts to support the vote that would be most fashionable.
Everyone else is null (I'd say everyone else is a little scummy, but then they can't all be scum).
What facts am I stretching?
I can see the camn-vote as 'fashionable'. Rando & Zulf not so much. Your reasons to think so?
Your Rando vote was the third on the wagon, which I'd say qualifies as fashionable in this game. Ditto the camn vote. The Zulfy vote maybe not so much, but I was voting for him so I can say that it was still fashionable. Also, like I said earlier, I like what you say, but not how you voted. The reasons you put up don't seem voteworthy to me. I'll excuse your Rando vote from this since it was just page 2, but I don't share your alarm at Zulfy's post 87, and I think camn was clear on what her intentions were regarding Rando.
It's not that the content of posts don't matter. It's just that we've all seen townies make brain farts in their posts that look like scumslips, whereas brain farts in voting are rare.
This concludes my response to tictac. I'll address other things in a few hours.-
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@ CKD:
In post 254, curiouskarmadog wrote:In post 243, camn wrote:In post 205, curiouskarmadog wrote:who here do you supposed will "read the iso"?
Anyone who is interested in finding scum?
Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes.
I gotta get back to bussing
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VOTE: Tictac
wait a minute, what the fuck? who is scum?
What prompted this question?
@ SirCakez
Do you have #2 scumread after tictac?
@ camn
In post 299, camn wrote:In post 296, a plain farmer wrote:I'll preemptively let everyone know that I'm an indecisive person, so changes in my reads should be considered null tells.
Huh.
I said that in hopes to minimize time wasted on town-on-town accusations.-
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@ Loki
I think you and Elyse are both town. The underlying point of conflict between the two of you seems to be a differing conception of what basis reads should have. Elyse's reads have had more to do with tone and train of thought than with the words written or the arguments they form.
It's true that it's a weak read to say that your RVS vote was "stilted and awkward", but just as RVS votes have RVS reasons, so do the reads that bring us out of RVS. Your reaction in 124 could be interpreted as overly defensive, especially the leap to questioning "what possible scum motive" could it have had, since it clearly wasn't a calculated move. So when she said your posts were scumreads, I understood it to mean that she thought they were suggestive that you were scum, not that they were part of a scum maneuver.
I'll note here something that'll return to my mind if I do start suspecting Elyse, and that is her posts 152 and 180. 152 is the one where she didn't acknowledge your post and changed her vote to camn. 180 is where she seemed dismissive, perhaps because she thought you were scum, perhaps because she interpreted 162 as you doubling-down on "triple post is a no-no", but also perhaps because she was overly conscious of her vote change in 152 and wanted to deflect attention from it.
@ Elyse and Loki
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In post 343, SirCakez wrote:Plain farmer are those players your four scum reads? What do you think of CKD?
Those four players were the only ones with multi-vote wagons. I only have substantial scumreads on SirCakez and tictac.
Cakez's support of wagons has been mostly in the background rather than foreground, which I find scummy, and when it has come to giving scumreads, he has copied from the reads of others.
The main focus of his exertions has been defending himself. As he said, townies should defend themselves, but it's the ratio of his defense to offense that seems scummy.
The phrasing of some of his posts also seem token, as if he was afraid that adding more than was necessary would risk the escape of something from a scum subconscious (see 218, 221, 223, 258, 260, and 326).
Tictac's response to the wagon on him has been OK, and he's no longer the scummiest in this thread.
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VOTE: SirCakez
And to answer your question on CKD, he worries me a little bit, but my instinct is to punt on the issue of lurkers and come back to it D2.-
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I'm willing to hammer ika if no one else has anything left to say. I checked his meta for myself to make sure. He's a frequent poster across the board as town. As scum, he lurks in some of his games in and in others it's arguable. But there's an obvious correlation between his alignment and activity, and, as Camn showed, he's been active elsewhere recently. This is about as objective a reason as we could get for Day 1.-
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I wasn't one of the ones Elyse was talking about, but, for example, you scum lurked to a large degree in Uncouth Mafia, Star Trek DS9, Spring Waltz, and Open 609 and semi-lurked in Inorganic Chemistry and Open 607.
You were active town in Mini 1758, NY 182, Micro 537, and Opens 606, 610, 611, 613, 614, and 618.
These were the first games of yours I came across when I went looking, so it's not like I cherrypicked them, and in none did I see you as lurker town.-
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This is a scummy post. I don't think a townie voices regrets of his vote prior to the flip.
In post 550, tictac wrote:In post 510, a plain farmer wrote:I wasn't one of the ones Elyse was talking about, but, for example, you scum lurked to a large degree in Uncouth Mafia, Star Trek DS9, Spring Waltz, and Open 609 and semi-lurked in Inorganic Chemistry and Open 607.
You were active town inMini 1758, NY 182, Micro 537, and Opens 606, 610, 611, 613, 614, and 618.
These were the first games of yours I came across when I went looking, so it's not like I cherrypicked them, and in none did I see you as lurker town.
Mini 1758 is what we are playing now. How did it come to be included in a list of games Ika was active town in?
I'd like you to describe your research in as much detail as possible, particularly the selection of games to include.
Because I amkindadoubting the sincerity of your research here.
VOTE: Farmer
I began by clicking on the link to ika's threads in his profile to find games he was in. There were a lot of threads that weren't game threads, so I changed the filter so that it organized posts by forum. However, I couldn't sort by date with this filter, and I was more interested in recent games, so I instead just looked in the game forums themselves for games ika was in. Those are the games I found, and he seems to disproportionately prefer Opens. "Mini 1758" is apparently a malapropism for the Mini I found, I can't remember which.
I agree that the speed at which yesterday's lynch was achieved is scummy (especially considering how little momentum all the other wagons except SirCakez's were able to gain). It was fast enough to suggest that there were two scum on the wagon. If it was indeed a case of scum scrambling to save SirCakez, then those two scum are probably in {SirCakez, SRMP, UpTooLate, tictac} (the members of ika's wagon that weren't on SirCakez).
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In post 555, Lokiben wrote:Slept peacefully. Will have meaningful post later.
In post 556, SirCakez wrote:There's no night results here Loki.
What's this about?-
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UNVOTE:
Welp, we have two weeks until the deadline. I say we go for a picnic.
And yes I am for lynching CKD. I thought he might have been a townie who made a blunder, but I have a hard time imagining a townie defending himself from these allegations by implying that RC's vote for him left him no recourse.
@ RC:
I have a couple questions for you:
In post 709, RadiantCowbells wrote:I have a confirmed scum on camn.
Why is camn "confirmed" scum?
In post 656, RadiantCowbells wrote:This is not how I feel like Town!Sircakez would react to being brought up so abruptly.
I've seen you and others on this site use this ! notation. How is this used?-
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Here I respond to tictac, put in spoiler due to size:
Spoiler: Re: my rigorous meta research methodology
@ SRMP
In post 647, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:Interested in discussion on this scumslip by farmer up here, especially an explanation from him.
"Mini 1758" was included in that list as a typo, probably resulting from a malapropism. For further articulation of this theory, see the last part of the spoilered text above.
On UTL's 594: The way she had phrased it also made me think that she had a scumread on Elyse, and she probably should've anticipated that we would have understood it as such. However, I'm not sure this is alignment indicative (maybe a slight scumtell?), and the point acryon was making in the quoted portion is a valid one.-
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In post 633, Zulfy wrote:
RC seems like a townie who's been told that if he's NK'ed he'd be killed in real life, too.Not at all how'd you get this?
I said this at the time because RC had given a few good reads and votes, and though most of his posts were joke posts, I didn't see them as coming from a scum perspective or hindering town.
In post 633, Zulfy wrote:
Zulfy tripped my alarms early but hasn't made me suspect him since.Indicate where I did so
This was what I mentioned in post 50 about the possible quicklynch testing.-
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I'm not as confident in my CKD scumread as I was last night. Prior to yesterday's outbreak, there's nothing in his ISO that pings my scumdar. And the more I think of his behavior, the less it becomes a question of "why would town do this" as opposed to "why would someone of any alignment do this?". His initial rolefishing and reaction to being voted is still scummy, but I'm OK with not lynching him today.
Someone with a really scummy ISO is UpTooLate. I feel like her posts come from a perspective of someone who already knows everyone's alignment. This comes through in the way she expounds upon others' reads without contributing many of her own, as well as her tendency to follow the consensus (since scum would know that townies are innocent, it's easier for them to go along with TvT accusations than make some of their own).
SirCakez hasn't been quite as scummy on Day 2 as Day 1, but still scummy. It's tough for me to decide which of them deserves my vote, but it probably doesn't matter because they're probably partners.
VOTE: UpTooLate-
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@ RadiantCowbells
Could you please answer these:
In post 771, a plain farmer wrote:
In post 709, RadiantCowbells wrote:I have a confirmed scum on camn.
Why is camn "confirmed" scum?
In post 656, RadiantCowbells wrote:This is not how I feel like Town!Sircakez would react to being brought up so abruptly.
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Reads for Cowbells:
Lokiben - town - I disagree with his scumread on Elyse, but the reasoning for it, as well as his posts in general, have a townie vibe about them.
camn - town-leaning - I thought she was very town on Day 1. On Day 2 I find the trail of her reasoning on CKD peculiar, but I'm not sure if it's indicative of alignment.
tictac - null - He's pushed a couple things today that I doubt a scum would bother to touch. The things he's pushing aren't particularly indicative of anything so he may be trying to waste the town's time, but I don't think so.
CKD - scum-leaning - My position is unchanged from 818. I still don't like the initial rolefishing and the reaction to his vote, but he hasn't done anything else scummy. He hasn't been particularly townie either, though. I'd say he's 3rd scummiest in this game right now after SirCakez and UTL.
SirCakez - scum - He's still top scum tier. He still has a proclivity for grasping. Look at his interpretations of tictac's posts. Tictac notices that I had Mini "1758" in my list of ika's meta games. In SirCakez's post, this becomes a "scumslip". Tictac raises questions about my knowledge of the subforums of the threads I referenced. In SirCakez's post, this becomes me "fak[ing] a meta dive".-
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In post 873, SirCakez wrote:If the games you referenced came out of a completely different subforum then the one you said something's obviously wrong there.
And I'm pretty sure tictac was calling that a scum slip as well, he just didn't say the exact word.
Yep. Because the most important thing to keep in mind when looking at another player's meta is the subforum the thread is in.
In post 864, tictac wrote:In post 772, a plain farmer wrote:
I know I looked in either (maybe both) of Little Italy and Coney Island. The Mini 1758 is actually one of the games from those forums. I can't remember anything about it beyond what I've said so far.
Spoiler: Where those games can actually be found
No games from Little Italy nor Coney Island were included in the meta.
Since Farmer doesn't seem to know where the games in his meta come from, I'm gonna conclude that he didn't actually spend significant amount of time doing meta reading in Central Park or completed large themes forums. More likely to be someone elses work that he copy-pasted.
He's scum.
As I said in the passage you quoted, "I know I looked in either (maybe both) of Little Italy and Coney Island. The Mini 1758 is actually one of the games from those forums." So whatever game I meant to include but instead replaced it's number with "1758" is probably from Little Italy or Coney Island. Also, "I looked in" doesn't mean I found anything, so the absence of games from those forums suggests more about the thoroughness of my search than about me not knowing where any of these games come from.
Here was my mindset when I read the thread that evening: people were saying that lurker-ika is consistently scum. I find the statement both credible (since he's a prolific player and I'd think others with more playing experience here would have easily been able to jump in and provide counterexamples were it false) and damning. However, if I was to express intent to hammer, I wanted to at least sample some of his games, since I would have been hesitant had I found a lurker-town game. So I find 15 games, and no lurker-town ikas, which makes the already plausible case moreso, and makes me more comfortable hammering.-
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Regarding Cowbells' cop claim, I am not sure whether I believe it. His first post looked like he was trying to crumb cop:
In post 6, RadiantCowbells wrote:I am the radiant light that will lead us to glorious scum lynches.
...but crumbing like this is probably more indicative of scum. What made me think Cowbells might legitimately be a cop were two things: his Day 1 posting in such a way as to avoid being targeted by a night kill, and his reaction to CKD's fishing. In the first post in which he accuses CKD, Cowbells labels him a role cop. If Cowbells were vanilla, he probably would have inferred that CKD's fishing was just intuition rather than the result of an investigation. As UTL mentioned, one could have thought CKD had read Cowbells' slavery posts to be hinting at a mason relationship (or a relationship between cop Cowbells and the person he had investigated). This post also might have seemed to suggest the same:
In post 649, RadiantCowbells wrote:Elyse may be offended if you label us as a team like I'm her equal.
Please don't use such phrasings.
So Cowbells jumping to the "rolecop" conclusion suggests that he was either a power role or gambiting scum, and it's therefore easier to accept his present cop claim.
However, his cop claim was random and unforced, which makes me suspect he may just be dicking around. In this way, it reminds me of his masons shitclaim he did in Diablo III mafia, which seemed to just be a throwaway line that much of the rest of the town accepted for some reason (also, for what it's worth, he was scum in that game). I'll also note though that the masons claim there had none of the circumstantial evidence that the cop claim in this game has.
So basically this post is to say two things:
1) I don't really know what to make of Cowbells' claim.
2) Cowbells, do you stand by this claim, and, if so, can you state unambiguously for the record who you investigated last night and what your result was?-
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SirCakez is top scum. He goes for the low-hanging fruit, pushes popular wagons without sticking himself too far out in doing so, gives opportunistic reads, and seems to grab on to anything he hopes will deflect suspicion from himself.
Camn is hard to read, but I think she's town. Her reads mostly make sense. She's been a little bit independent in this game, but not so independent that she seems to have different knowledge than town. I don't think her interpretation of the CKD thing is as obvious as she says it is, but I also don't think scum would tunnel so much for so long. I sometimes wonder when I'm drifting off to sleep why you are so adamant she's scum.
As to a Cakez/Camn partnership, nothing has pinged me to indicate this.-
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@ tictac:
When I said this... (bolded part)
In post 772, a plain farmer wrote:and I was more interested in recent games, so I instead just looked in the game forums themselves for games ika was in.
But you apparently didn't look at completed games subforum of little italy.(didn't include minis 1707,1734,1737)
Which forums did you check? I'm trying to re-create your experience here, to see if it makes sense. As much detail as you can give will be useful.
I know I looked in either (maybe both) of Little Italy and Coney Island.The Mini 1758 is actually one of the games from those forums.
...it was obvious that I was responding to your claim that I didn't look at Little Italy games. You seem to be interpreting that as me saying I didn't look in any forums but those. The only forum I didn't look in was Blitzes, which I made note of, and had believed that the reader would assume I had looked in all forums minus the one I stated I hadn't looked in. As for your contention that it wouldn't happen by accident for the large theme games I found to have mostly had scum-ika, all I can say is that evidently it would.
On the mystery of the meta dive's authorship: I did it in about 20 minutes on Friday night. It didn't take long for me to check if the thread contained ika, and then look through his ISO at how much he posted and how those posts were spaced out. You're welcome do Google search this forum, since it is indexed there, or any other site, and I can assure you there will not be any evidence of plagiarism. If your suspicion is that my scumpartner wrote them, then I don't think that would be possible, since the Normal guidelines suggest that this game wouldn't have scum daytalk.-
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In post 1041, curiouskarmadog wrote:Just checking in. On phone. I have a result of a person "not visiting someone last night" this person is currently is in this game and is not Elyse or Scakes. I want EVERYONE to chime in. As I don't want to get fucking blamed for outing (even a vt) anyone again. Do you want this result?
No thanks. Revealing this right now wouldn't do much besides tell the scum who they shouldn't kill tonight.-
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Note: there's a TL;DR section at the end if you don't like walls, but I encourage everyone to readeverypoint.
VOTE: SRMP
~~~~~~ SRMP's Scummy Voting ~~~~~~
Spoiler:
~~~~~~ Camn's reads on SRMP, and his Scummy Reaction ~~~~~~
Spoiler:
~~~~~~ SRMP's scummy camn vote ~~~~~~
Spoiler:
~~~~~~ Farmer's theory: SRMP's Scummy Avatar ~~~~~~
Spoiler:
TL;DR:
1) The reasoning behind SRMP's votes consistently suggest post-facto rationalizations, BS excuses about "pressuring", and not wanting his reasoning scrutinized by the town.
2) When reading SRMP, camn places him into a scum-leaning grey area that she can easily back out of.
3) Camn's vote on SRMP is based on supposed associative tells between him and tictac, which would only be viable if tictac and him were both scum. In SRMP's rebuttal, he doesn't even bother contesting the claim that scum-tictac equals scum-SRMP, as if he already knows that tictac wont flip scum.
4) When SRMP sees that camn is starting to get into hot water on D2, he wants to help reason her out of that hole, but to do so directly would leave him too vulnerable. So he votes for her, putting up a poor reason for doing so that reeks of having been fabricated for that purpose, and then tries to talk her into a more defensible position under the guise of an interrogation.
5) On D1, everything pointed to SRMP ignoring camn's request for him to get an avatar. But then suddenly on D2, when camn issued her ultimatum, he got an avatar, as if he appreciated camn's veteran presence in the scum thread that night and didn't want to lose her.-
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You're putting me in the terrible position of having to explain why SirCakez is less scummy than someone else. Cakez is so widely scumread that to bus camn would mean losing a partner, then setting oneself up to get lynched the next day. Why would scum-SirCakez want to save himself when he was already damaged goods compared to camn?-
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And immediately after losing camn, he's now bussing me?-
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In post 935, a plain farmer wrote:Camn is hard to read, but I think she's town. Her reads mostly make sense. She's been a little bit independent in this game, but not so independent that she seems to have different knowledge than town. I don't think her interpretation of the CKD thing is as obvious as she says it is, but I also don't think scum would tunnel so much for so long.
Here's exhibit A as to why I didn't want to lynch camn yesterday. Embarassing.
In post 989, Performer wrote:camn (5):curiouskarmadog,Some Random Mafia Player,UpTooLate,RadiantCowbells,SirCakez
Here's exhibit B as to why I didn't want to lynch camn yesterday, with names colored in accordance with my reads at the time.
In post 992, a plain farmer wrote:Please don't lynch camn. This is the scummiest wagon of the game so far.
And here's where I lept in front of her wagon. Scum would not say this. Scum would not expend any of their political capital in this thread on such a minimalistic plea. Scum would either stay silent, or maybe try to build up a case in camn's favor.-
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On the prospect of Zulfy scum, my gut tells me that camn would be more inclined to put her partners in the scum or null section of her reads. Zulfy scum is possible, but unlikely.
Some Random Mafia Player wrote:In post 607, SirCakez wrote:Elyse, SRMP, RC scumteam maybe.Acryon kill points to all three of them. Not sure where tictac fits in there though.
P-Edit: Because you ignored my request for reads and dropped a terrible naked vote.
In post 1040, SirCakez wrote:Zulfy is basically conftown after that hammer.
Loki town read is slipping.
I'm also starting to get suspicious of SRMP.
Wait, so if your starting to get suspicious of me, then you werent suspicious of me before, but...
You fucked up somewhere...
We get it, SRMP. You like to put on a show of bickering with your partner.
UpTooLate wrote:I'll try to look at this later, but after skimming I don't even know why there was even a case on Elyse after RC's flip? what?
It seems like the main suspects now are SirCakez, SRMP, and I. No hurry on this, but we could really use your judgment.-
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@ CKD:
Your point about tictac scumreading camn and wanting a wagon on her without voting her is interesting and, indeed, scummy. His play is otherwise pro-town, with the exception of his case on me, which is a trifle and he seems smarter than to have made that the reason for his vote on me. But perhaps he did legitimately think I was scummier than camn.
The Acryon kill I feel is not necessarily attributable to him or anyone else. Acryon was autonomous and little-suspected, which would make him a good kill for any scumteam.
There is also the issue that, if SRMP is scum, tictac is probably town. I'll quote the relevant bit on this from 1050 (this bit talks about SRMP's response after camn gave him a scum-leaning read on associative tells with tictac):
In post 1050, a plain farmer wrote:In post 316, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:In post 312, camn wrote:My early vote was a thin, page one vote. Tictac piling on, and then the whole thing gets written off as "reaction testing" in 106 and 110. It sounds like tictac set that up in their scumchat.
It was obvious it was a reaction test, that reason was bad.
This comment is weird, but says nothing to contest the notion that scum-tictac would mean scum-SRMP (since this would presumably come from his knowledge as scum that tictac is town, and a camn-SRMP-tictac triple gambit here seems immensely unlikely).
If SRMP does flip town, though, tictac might be the #2 suspect after Cakez.-
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In post 1127, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:In post 1111, SirCakez wrote:His waffling around the camn wagon and awkward hop off.
I took him off of l-1, why would you push that...
You guys see this? "Why'd you suspect me for having done this super townie thing?"
But that would be too-easy towncred for him had it gone as he'd expected and camn went unlynched.
Right up until it actually happened, camn's lynch was by no means not imminent. I think most people expected the votes to shift back to Cakez. SRMP was just trying to save her from the quickhammer so that either a mislynch or the more-preferred lynch of his scumbuddies could happen instead.-
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In post 1147, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:
I wanted more discussion...
WHy are you trying to paint it as scummy? Your grasping for straws rn.
It was not obvious that camn would soon be lynched. And you didn't seem to have anything you wanted to discuss, nor anything more you wanted to hear, and only remained to comment with alarm when camn was brought back to L-1 again.-
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SirCakez and SRMP during their episode today have looked like an equally guilty scumteam, what with their distancing from one another in hopes that SRMP can coast off of it and survive tomorrow. I'll be willing to lynch whichever of these two the town prefers to execute first. But this must not happen before tictac and UTL give their opinions, and anyone is given ample opportunity to say what's on their mind.-
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Them being scumpartners is only further demonstrated by this page.
SirCakez is defensive, yes, but with most everyone else he has grown exasperated after defending a point once or twice. Today he has seemed relentless.
Throughout this thread, the only one SRMP has quarreled with to any comparable degree as with SirCakez has been camn, and, early in D1, tictac.
They're arguing in circles, rehashing old points because they can't think of new ones, and generally bickering in order for us to see them bickering.-
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UNVOTE:
SirCakez would be the better lynch today. Cakez claimed VT and, if SRMP is town, there's a chance he could be something other than VT, so Cakez should be the first to go.
I'm not going to vote Cakez right now though. That would put him at L-1 and I don't want another quickhammer going through before tictac and UTL could even put up substantive posts. But my vote is on Cakez in spirit and intent.-
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In post 1162, a plain farmer wrote:SirCakez and SRMP during their episode today have looked like an equally guilty scumteam
You're extremely likely to be a team together, and, if not, your and his chances of being scum are not meaningfully different.-
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Thx Cakez.
I wouldn't be offended if tictac gave some half-assed associatives (or reads or whatever) prior to his proper ones this weekend, since he's at least going to have to prodge before then anyway.
The obvious NK targets are CKD and Elyse, so they might want to give reads. If RC had said anything in the mason thread that'd be of use to us here then that would be welcome, too, should she deem it appropriate.-
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