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Let's think carefully about who we will lynch.
It might be a good idea to have a consensus on who is town to limit the scum pool.
My list: AI, Garmr, FA, Aeronaut, Albert B.
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Assuming that there are at least two scum in this pool, would scum-Albert really suggest these lynches?In post 494, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We should lynch radja, Taly, or Firebringer."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Lol. That is contradictory.In post 1319, Aeronaut wrote:In post 1291, Albert B. Rampage wrote:dave, AI, me, FA, and Idon't want to lynch Gamr or Aeronaut todaybut pretty sure one is scum. If I'm wrong about Aero's role and Dietrich is actually the neighborizer, then, Aero is part of my town list.
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How about Taly/Dave?In post 1326, Aeronaut wrote:In post 1321, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
Assuming that there are at least two scum in this pool, would scum-Albert really suggest these lynches?In post 494, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We should lynch radja, Taly, or Firebringer.
I'd expect a scum-ABR would have at least one buddy in there. Don't know about two, but AJ's probably not scum if Albert is."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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If we are going to lynch Albert B. (it doesn't feel right to me), then we should have a more solid case.
We have enough time, don't we?
How about we try to figure this out calmly this time? What do you think, FA?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Albert B. is likely wrong about Aeronaut, but is this alignment indicative? I don't know. I scumread Mathilda. I was wrong about her. Does that make me scum? No. It just means I was being an overconfident idiot."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Yes, please. You were able to see through Firebringer, so maybe I am missing something here as well.In post 1350, Frozen Angel wrote:ABR role is as bad as a miller
look at his Iso and his contradictions when he was talking about dave and Taly and You will see what i mean
pedit : sure UNVOTE:
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No, because that involves setup speculation. Besides, you don't know who is lying (if anyone is), so this might result in a mislynch.In post 1357, Aeronaut wrote:Well look at it this way; Theres no way there's a town Ascetic and a Miller in this game. By lynching one of them, we can sort of narrow that down.
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Stop voting Aeronaut if you are town.In post 1359, Albert B. Rampage wrote:This is why I'm voting you, of course there can be both.
Right.If the cop investigates me and gets no result, he will start suspect me as much as a miller.
No, it's not, because there is still some ambiguity.Ascetic is a useless scum role given the flips we have."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Impossible.In post 1377, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm actually running out of music :S
Not sure if Europe counts as "classic rock" (it has pop influences), but I would suggest Europe - Start From The Dark, and other great songs by them."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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You do realize that we cannot really permit ourselves to make any more mistakes?In post 1384, Albert B. Rampage wrote:This town sucks. Aero is townread by many people. Lynch him after I flip."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Right, but I want to shoot Dierfire.In post 1401, Aeronaut wrote:" "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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All powers fail except kills. This includes protection and what not.In post 1404, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 1400, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Should he have claimed D1 like the Miller?
whats different about his role from miller?!
Come to think of it. A townie would want the town to know, so that they don't waste a protection on them."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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I'd say Dierfire.In post 1420, Frozen Angel wrote:who you bodyguarded Garmr? If its aero then the scum will be in AI - Aj - Dire"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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1-Shot Bulletproof Bodyguard, I believe. Makes sense.In post 1425, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 1422, davesaz wrote:What's this about bodyguard? Bodyguard dies if the guarded player is killed.
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Why vote for FA? She is town.In post 1430, Garmr wrote:I'm 1 shot bulletproof aero is confirmed town.
rctell them what you told me how the bullet modifier works on a bp
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It has become obvious to me now. Dierfire is the remaining scum.
Aeronaut, was largely responsible for Albert B.'s lynch.
FA, was largely responsible for lynching Firebringer and hammering Albert B. (when I was being skeptical about his lynch, until I realized the logic of him being scum due to the claimed role).
Garmr, claimed 1-Shot Bulletproof Bodyguard. It makes sense that he protected Aeronaut. Why waste a NK when the scum could really use it?
Davesaz, claimed Miller. This seems authentic. Albert B. first questioned it, then believed it. It is unlikely that two scum would claim a similar role.
Aj, not as sure about him as the rest, but I was townreading Radja and I like Aj's reasoning. From his perspective, it has to be either Dierfire or me, just as I have Dierfire or him. We both prefer Dierfire.
Dierfire, bussed his partners when it was convenient, but was never seriously scumreading them before. Highly opportunistic. He is very quiet at the moment, too. Only asks people suggestive questions."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Never mind. Aj cannot be scum. So he is green as everyone else. Albert B. tried to get him lynched early-D1. He was genuinely frustrated with Radja. It was not an act.
There is no doubt about it. The game has been solved.
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Sure, I could be wrong. In theory. However, I currently cannot see anyone other than Dierfire being the remaining scum. Everything points in his direction by PoE.In post 1568, davesaz wrote:Either AI is town and solved it, or scum and trying too hard to lynch Dier. (Actually there is a 3rd possibility that he's town and wrong, but I'm an optimist)
So I'm pretty sold on lynch Dier, and look really hard at AI if game isn't over.
Though I have to say that if AI is scum, marking everyone else off as green isn't the best move."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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I know I have not been the best town player in this game.
On D1, I lynched Mathilda (even though I preferred Dierfire even then). She was town.
On D2, I was having doubts whether Firebringer was scum. Being wrong before makes one think twice about their actions. I was frustrated with FA for hammering too early, but only after she had already hammered. If I were scum, then that would be non-sensical, since I would have known Firebringer would flip scum and therefore I would have preferred to shut up about it.
On D3, I was hesitant to lynch Albert B. because of role setup. I townread him initially, but once I started to think a little harder about it, I realized Aeronaut, FA, etc. were right about Albert B. He had to be scum. So I went along with it.
If not Dierfire, who else could be the remaining scum? Me? Nope. I am town. Anyone else? I doubt it."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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No need to. We already solved the game.In post 1577, Frozen Angel wrote:I need to reread AI and Aj sometime today"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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No, really? Could he really be doing that?In post 1588, Frozen Angel wrote:"Bought me one more day"
is so damn scummy
like your just sorting mislynches to win ..."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Yeah. The whole town is in his possible lynch pool. That is not very comforting.In post 1596, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 1593, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
No, really? Could he really be doing that?In post 1588, Frozen Angel wrote:"Bought me one more day"
is so damn scummy
like your just sorting mislynches to win ...
why should he getting to stay in middleground in me/Garmr case. like he is not fully town reading him :
In neighbor pt : "I wouldn't consider lynching Garmr before LYLO."
nor town reading me (here) : "I'll have more on Frozen when she finishes reading. I've expressed suspicion of her behavior toward the Firebringer and ABR wagons but helping us lynch them both buys her at least one more day. The push against Garmr seems to me to chiefly be OMGUS based on his case against her in the Neighborhood."
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Why are you townreading me, if you are town? If you are not scum either, then that would mean I have been pushing this whole game for town only. What have I done to deserve the honor of being town in your eyes?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Aj is not Mafia. Give it up.In post 1608, Dierfire wrote:It doesn't really help me if you always have a Mafia player as your secondary lynch, particularly when you actively refuse to move your vote."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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So? Albert B. had been constantly trying to get Radja lynched. No way he was bussing him at that point. His frustration with Radja seemed genuine too.In post 1611, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 1582, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Aj replaced Radja. The interactions between Albert B. and Radja make them an unlikely scum team.
if this is your reason this is pretty bad
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I don't have the time or the motivation to read that whole game. I don't know where to look for bussing either.
Anyway, there is reasonable bussing and unreasonable bussing. What Dierfire did was reasonable bussing at a reasonable time (scum buddies had a high probability of being lynched anyway). In Albert B.'s case, it seemed more like he wanted to get a mislynch going, so that would be an unreasonable bussing (suboptimal play).
Plus, some things are hard to fake."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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See signature.
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Of course it includes you. However, since she scumreads everyone but Aeronaut (apparently), she will consider possible worlds where you are town and lynching you could result in a mislynch.In post 1635, Dierfire wrote:Does that include me? If so, why are you hesitating to vote for me?
Since you are not town, you obviously didn't think of this."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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You're wrong about me, Aeronaut. But I understand your reasons for voting me. I admit: this has not been my best game.
I would advise you to look at my interactions with Dwlee, though. How likely is it that it was faked?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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Furthermore, even though this is slightly WIFOM-ish (if I were scum, that is), how likely is it that I would get frustrated about FA's quickhammer on Firebringerafterhe was hammered?
Suppose I am scum. Would I really go through the trouble to fake frustration with someone's playstyle, to deceive the town? Even though people mostly remember me "defending" Firebringer, not so much when it happened. Not good if I am scum. Is that really worth it? I would have expected this to be used against me if I were scum, so I would not have gone through the trouble to do that. On the other hand, "if" I am town, I might have serious doubts about the quickhammer. I might even believe that I could be nightkilled (not that likely, but who knows). So, I made use of the time I had to complain about FA. Little did I know that Firebringer would flip scum, and FA was right all along.
Which scenario is more likely?"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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So the constant calls to kill everyone in the pool {Mathilda, Dwlee/Firebringer, Dierfire} mean nothing to you?In post 1644, Aeronaut wrote:In post 1642, AlwaysInnocent wrote:You're wrong about me, Aeronaut. But I understand your reasons for voting me. I admit: this has not been my best game.
I would advise you to look at my interactions with Dwlee, though. How likely is it that it was faked?
You mean that time you said he was fence-scum with minimal reasoning, and then never actually voted him or pushed him?
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You're even quoting those posts, but all you see is Mathilda apparently. I screwed up the lynch order. Big time.
My overconfidence caused me to fall. After I realized I was wrong about Mathilda, I became a lot more cautious. This developed completely organically. It is not easy to fake that at all.
Being cautious about the wrong people only caused me to fall further. I hope you realize I am town sooner or later. We can win even if you mislynch me, but since we cannot be completely certain, there is still a 1% possibility that Dierfire is town and someone else is scum. I don't believe that, but hey, I have been wrong before. Still, I would like to believe that I am not completely stupid and have been right about Dierfire from the beginning, except that my overconfidence caused me to misjudge the lynch order and how scum could manipulate this."You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire-
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