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[WhyMafia]

HELLO

[WhyMafia]

TCHILL MY BOY THIS GAME IS WEIRD

[WhyMafia]

I have a scum read on Alban

[WhyMafia]

WhyMafia - Games details.
I have a town result on Alban, Carca and Chilly.
However, this isn't confirmed until I am flipped.

I am 99% sure you are bullshitting me
There is absolutely no way a self-sensor would be considered balanced. Why are you consisting with this charade?

[WhyMafia]

Vedith can also be scum

[WhyMafia]

I actually can't be scum.
I'm a day 2 IC 3 shot self sensor.

Can you actually stop. Please give a genuine reads list

[WhyMafia]

Sorry you feel that way IAI :/ Good luck in

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@Mario, I agree that Scorpius's post was ugly, but what makes you scum read him so much that it's worthy of a vote?

Portions redacted for violating site rules.
~Ircher

[WhyMafia]

Im getting a warning for referencing a post?

Please tell me how I referenced other games not previously mentioned by the player themselves.

I used his join date and what he said as a basis for my post.. Please tell me how that violates the rules.. Thank you

If you have further questions, comments, or concerns, please pm me.

And yeah read Scorpius's ISO, he looks scummy as well
Sigh
Who to vote, life conundrums

[WhyMafia]

So whymafia you've caught up? Can you say more to your thoughts on what you've read from earlier?

Maybe go into your alban read.

I mean I skimmed, but yeah, pretty caught up

[WhyMafia]

I'll go into my Alban read soon, posting cases on phones is a drab

[WhyMafia]

9 times out of 10 i wouldn't get 3 town out of 3 players.
If I had 4 and there was 1 Scum we could mis lynch 3 times before hitting Scum. It's not that powerful I just got lucky.

Sensor is still an insanely powerful role ....

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: scorpios

I say we just let the vedith claim slide for now. It'll be a waste of time. Everyone seems fairly towny except Scorpios and Mario. Right now I feel like persuing Scorpios is a good idea.

I TR Mario, what makes you SR him? And my scum case on Alban is coming up

[WhyMafia]

Alban is town

I'm going to assume you're one shot, because a sensor is overpowered, let alone a multishot sensor
As your have 3 town reads, I'm sure you're willing to lynch yourself so we can have 3 confirmed townies right <3

[WhyMafia]

Alban is town

I'm going to assume you're one shot, because a sensor is overpowered, let alone a multishot sensor
As your have 3 town reads, I'm sure you're willing to lynch yourself so we can have 3 confirmed townies right <3

This should be "As you have 3 confirmed townies, I'm sure you're willing to lynch yourself so town can make use of the 3 confirmed townies"

[WhyMafia]

Alright
104

Carcalilly, you are moving around your votes a bit too much.

Not comfortable how he parks his vote then shades Carcalilly. He says in 177 that he keeps his vote on someone from RVS until he is convinced someone else is scum, then parks that vote till deadline. I feel like he doesn't want to make a definitive stance on others so it can't be held against him later in the game. Then, he shaded Carcalilly. I'm fairly certain he knows that in RVS, votes change a lot. Nothing can be brought from saying "Boo you changed votes a lot". It's just busywork. In fact, 143144145 is all busywork. It does nothing to help town, but makes him look towny for suggesting it.

158 also rubbed me the wrong way. It's like meh I know I seem scummy, but nothing you can do about it! It looks like deniability when someone uses tone against him
179 is more busywork. I'm sure he can realize why someone TR's someone, especially if they provide a post of someone then call them town
212
Oh. @Alben what happened to

I will let him answer that. Once he posts, I wanna say something on this.

213
Alban can't look for himself? It's like he wants to call Awesome out for lying. Shade the person when there's nothing explicitly wrong, and even the given a potential lead to push, just let it slide, kinda implanting an idea that Alban is doing stuff even though he is yet to follow up on anything
214
Self-meta, I don't see why he would need to say this as town .... It's not like he was being SR, almost as if he was paranoid
277
Acts as if he cares, and cajoles others to post about their thoughts. Why doesn't he post his own thoughts instead? Oh wait, he needs more things to jump on to ...

and yeah
so
VOTE: Alban

[WhyMafia]

Holy heck a lot of posts were just made

[WhyMafia]

I don't at all

[WhyMafia]

Hey vedith I don't want to lynch whymafia or Scorpious

My suggestion is we either lynch awesome who's in his lynch and win. Or we lynch Alban or Carca.

Why do you town read me?

[WhyMafia]

I actually can't be scum.
I'm a day 2 IC 3 shot self sensor.

Can you actually stop. Please give a genuine reads list

Town - never lynch

Vedith
Alban
Chilly
Carca

Most likely town - never lynch

Mario
Steel
Io
IaI

Lynch and win the game

WhyMafia
Scorpios
Awesome

My suggestion is we either lynch awesome who's in his lynch and win. Or we lynch Alban or Carca. Personally I'd pick Carca. If vedith is scum then he'll probably throw one of his partners in his lynch and win and the never lynch. If I had to pick off that idea alone we'd either lynch awesome or we would lynch carcalilly. That's how I'm approaching his claim. For me I believe him a think we should lynch awesome. The side of me that doesn't believe him says we should lynch carcalilly.

Why Carca over Alban?

[WhyMafia]

..
Why_Mafia's case on alban seems fair. I still think alban's good outweighs his bad at the moment but I'd like to see him respond.

Would like to respond to what according to you is my good and bad. Elaborate, please.

Would like you to counter my scum case first

[WhyMafia]

@TChill why do you SR awesome
I have a fairly big TR on him

[WhyMafia]

..
Why_Mafia's case on alban seems fair. I still think alban's good outweighs his bad at the moment but I'd like to see him respond.

Would like to respond to what according to you is my good and bad. Elaborate, please.

Would like you to counter my scum case first

Not interested. I think you are one of those players who so badly wanna enter a game with a bang that that desperation results in tunnelling. Honestly, that post is a blob of fluff. You are seeing what you wanna see. Most of your points are NAI at best. How do I know that without even re-reading your post? Coz I am town, you silly.

This just seems like a discredit and dismissal without having to deal with it lol

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Carca
But willing to go Vedith/Alban as well

[WhyMafia]

Cause you're scum

[WhyMafia]

Meh re-read Carc, prefer Vedith to her
VOTE: Vedith

Awesome wanna make a town block between us?

[WhyMafia]

I think there some valid reasons to suspect Carca, but these are not them.

VOTE: Llama

Why do you SR Llama? I TR him ;-;

[WhyMafia]

When Vedith said "zero scum" Carcalilly pivoted off of an alban scum read (who was "cleared") a bit, and no disbelief was every expressed at any point. Trying to read interactions between multiple spam/low content/troll-ish players is hard, but I think the claim completely caught Carcalilly offguard to the point where regardless of town they just got confused and backed off of everything.

The push on Mario is bad for a few reasons

1) It has no reasoning assigned past page twelve, half a game ago, and there is no real push of it. Ever.
2) Carcalilly had a vote on the wrong player for a majority of the game. Almost immediately after their "Case" ends, they are voting Vedith. Its not until MM points out that the vote is in the wrong point that Carcallilly moves to where they claim to have a scum read on.

This is not town who is hunting scum. This is scum going through the motions and forgetting where their own vote is because they are not paying attention to what is happening and what they are supposed to be doing.

Remember that Carcalilly self-meta though? Where they stay quiet as scum until either them or a partner is attacked? Guess what happened right before they remembered that MM was scum to them and that is where their vote should be? MM voted Vedith.

Dammit I thought Vedith was scummier, but now you made me change my mind
kriff
VOTE: Carca
Will you be in a town block with me? Pretty please <3

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: vedithI am sick of vedith

And awesome is town

[WhyMafia]

TCHILL NOOOOO, but gj :p

Hello there Mulch!

[WhyMafia]

Can someone tell me why Llama and Awesome are scum? I TR'ed both of em ;-;

[WhyMafia]

Can someone tell me why Llama and Awesome are scum? I TR'ed both of em ;-;

Llama is fine except for this one post which dropped them in my reads like a tier alone: 714

What's wrong with that post though?

[WhyMafia]

UNVOTE:

I remember playing with Io. She will give long winding explanations about game mechanics and why and who is scum. I believe (but not sure) that she is logical, terse and concise when town.

Well thank you for calling me logical, but I don't really know if I would fall myself concise, I will make large posts if I need to get a point across.
Also I think the game mechanic talk was unique to that game if I recall because people weren't quite understanding them.

Frankly, I'm not really sure what the point in going over how people typically play helps. Like for example, I try to keep consistent play across whatever alignment I am and I'm pretty sure most people do that as to avoid scum slipping every time they are scum due to their meta.
Plus, the rules forbid Trust Tells and going over people's meta as town vs scum seems to be encroaching on breaking that rule.
Reguardless I've only played a full game with Alban, and maybe LUV and I am Innocent but I don't remember those games. Alban I remember does this kind of thing in all games if not most that I've played with him where he wants to talk about people's behavior.

Town

This should confirm me as town btw. THis is pocketing 101.

That's just WIFOM. Why are you so interested in proving yourself town? I believed that slot to be town .. but now I have my reservations

[WhyMafia]

I'm still convinced Alban is scum

[WhyMafia]

And not at all on Awesome. Can see Scorpius though

[WhyMafia]

@Alban that's why there's something called UNVOTE
If you were so angry that Vedith was obvious town you should've unvoted and pushed for someone else's lynch. I don't buy you, not one bit. Sure, you were formulating cases against everyone, but you just needed one person that you believed to be scum. The fact that the voting was progressing that quickly should've alarmed you. And you hardly did anything early game to be warranted any form of town cred. And before I get called out for giving shade, I already explained his early game posts. His current posts are doing nothing to convince me otherwise. In hindsight, yes lynching him was a mistake. I'll admit that.

[WhyMafia]

I'm still convinced Alban is scum

Reasons

You can't be bothered to deal with "Low quality cases" to warrant any answer, I thought?
Oh I forgot to VOTE: Alban

In terms of WhyMafia, I think I have a pretty solid grasp on his meta. It would shock me if he flipped scum.

But you never saw my scum game

And @Mulch, in regards to this

Spoiler:

When I'm scum I usually just focus on when someone mentions me or my scumpartner, and not care about the rest of the game. ^

self

Quick question - is Self-meta a scumtell to you?

I can see scum using it more than town.

I still prefer Vedith but have increasingly no problem with Carcalilly lynch happening. What they have done this game almost perfectly describes their scum self-meta.

Both Vedith and Carcalillly are just different types of scummy.

Vedith is the "intentionally useless - adding clutter" type scum, who has done next to nothing but when they do actually start trying to play are really scummy for the most part, but with the amount of spam they add can essentially shrug off anything as a joke.

Carcalilly just seems to be detached from the game while still adding the "joking around" excuse to most of their stuff. For example they are voting alban, who apparently they thought was scum until the "fake claim" where they moved away and then forgot about moving away... and now two thirds of the way through day one are ready to "start taking things seriously".

Still think that Vedith is a slightly better lynch. Basically all they have done that shows any type of read is the joke claim, where they called a few played "confirmed town" and opened up a lynch pool without any sort of reasoning and followed through with it for enough time that it cant have been a joke that they were his scum reads. Trying to say things like "just trust me" and other statements along those lines do nothing to explain a read and at most can be reaction tests on others (but I somehow doubt there was that level of intent even if he is town). While I think most players would immediately see the claim as a joke, the fact that it was continued for so long still bothers me as there are a lot of newer players who might not be able to piece that together immediately.

Now he comes in with the Carcalilly vote late, when he basically ignored the role until I showed up and voted Vedith. First mention of them being scum since literally joke phases of the game, with no reason. It takes me starting to come down on Carcalilly before the vote shows up there.

@Carcalilly - Vedith read?
@alban - You haven't moved your vote in a long time. Still happy with it?
@MM - You aren't voting either major wagon. Basic thoughts on both?

Few other thoughts:

If Vedith or any of the players he notes as "cleared" are scum, I think Scorpious gains town points for recent posts.
One thing that is REALLY bugging me is that a lot of players seem to assume three scum. In 11P games it is very rare for there to be more than two scum. If we get to a F3 at any point, someone go back and read early thoughts to see who was implying three scum and give minor town/scum points accordingly.

So can we really just lynch Vedith? I somewhat trust that regardless of alignment Carcalilly will eventually produce some sort of reads and tells, Vedith is just backed into a corner and spouting WIFOM and trolling. What is the absolute best case with respect to Vedith here? Town that cant be trusted to contribute or make a pro-town move in the future?

Also, I initially didn't like Llama's statement about Scorpious either, but it's actually really smart - if Scorpious is scum with Vedith or one of Vedith's "clears," he knows for sure that the claim is a lie. And his posts really look like an inexperienced player who was caught off guard by the claim and feel for it. Does that make sense? That said, I agree that his play has been generally scummy.

Basically this. While I am not entirely sure if it was faked or not, scum would instantly know something is up if any of those four players is scum. If the exceedingly off chance that all are town though, while they may not know the correct approach moving forward they would know that something is wrong. Its a whole lot of WIFOM though as you have to start getting into theory of if players could intentionally present an ignorant approach to setup when they have additional information. Its basically a weaker version of the "player who forgets the open setup is town" tell.

It of course IS possible for it to be an 8:3 setup, but for that to happen you would need a very weak scum team and a stacked town. In the end you can balance it, but you are going to have a very swingy setup and its just not recommended.

Contains the stuff that's sort of giving like "here is some arguements for Vedith, here is for Carc" etc, and combined with the fact that they made that case on Carc and then ended up voting Vedith is bad.

I personally was stuck between them two myself, which is why I TR llama, as it kinda mirrored my dilemma. Which is also why my sheep looked scummy af I suppose xD

[WhyMafia]

Where's everyone at tho ;-;

[WhyMafia]

[WhyMafia]

Come on Alban, tango with me!

[WhyMafia]

@Steel what if there are 3 scum? And Mario, why don't you look at Alban for me

[WhyMafia]

Also I'm not paying attention to the finer details for the moment but I believe alban is just noise.

Sorry, but what do you mean by this? I just want clarification

[WhyMafia]

Yay!

[WhyMafia]

Also I'm not paying attention to the finer details for the moment but I believe alban is just noise.

Sorry, but what do you mean by this? I just want clarification

Noise as in probably a distraction. I've read a game he and Io was in a while ago and he came across as the very self conscious type which is generally pretty scummy.

That takes away one reason to SR him, but I still have a dozen more

[WhyMafia]

Gamma why did you choose that color grr

[WhyMafia]

Here, will try this tonight

When you come back, please tell us who you believe to scum and why

[WhyMafia]

I'd also loosely followed the game before I replaced IO- again, one of the reasons I came in was beacuse I knew IO was obvious town and I wasn't in the mood for a scum game atm lol

This looks so fake..

It does .. but by PoE I town read Mulch
Keep trying, and make a better case!

[WhyMafia]

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as annoying .. I'm just really jittery right now XD

[WhyMafia]

What do you think of Llama and Alban? Or about yours truly?

[WhyMafia]

I'd also loosely followed the game before I replaced IO- again, one of the reasons I came in was beacuse I knew IO was obvious town and I wasn't in the mood for a scum game atm lol

This looks so fake..

It does ..

but by PoE I town read Mulch

Keep trying, and make a better case!

explain

Your slot is nowhere close to as scummy as other slots have been. Therefore I PoE town read lots of this games players

[WhyMafia]

Like for me, lynch pool is definitely between Alban and Scorpius. However, I'm willing to look at other options if a proper case is made.

[WhyMafia]

Dammit mulch you post too fast diskzuakxusk

[WhyMafia]

I'd also loosely followed the game before I replaced IO- again, one of the reasons I came in was beacuse I knew IO was obvious town and I wasn't in the mood for a scum game atm lol

This looks so fake..

It does ..

but by PoE I town read Mulch

Keep trying, and make a better case!

explain

Your slot is nowhere close to as scummy as other slots have been. Therefore I PoE town read lots of this games players

Say IO had not existed. Would you be townreading my slot right now? Do you agree with what I am saying? Do you think it's coming naturally intead of me fabricating? And also: you know my meta, why do you think that thing about seeing IO and not wanting a scum game is fake? Don't you think that would be a Mulch thing to do?

Barrage of questions, but, well, you wanted to get into the game more (towny btw) so here you are lol

Yes, I would still TR your slot.

[WhyMafia]

I'd also loosely followed the game before I replaced IO- again, one of the reasons I came in was beacuse I knew IO was obvious town and I wasn't in the mood for a scum game atm lol

This looks so fake..

It does ..

but by PoE I town read Mulch

Keep trying, and make a better case!

explain

Your slot is nowhere close to as scummy as other slots have been. Therefore I PoE town read lots of this games players

Say IO had not existed. Would you be townreading my slot right now? Do you agree with what I am saying? Do you think it's coming naturally intead of me fabricating? And also: you know my meta, why do you think that thing about seeing IO and not wanting a scum game is fake? Don't you think that would be a Mulch thing to do?

Barrage of questions, but, well, you wanted to get into the game more (towny btw) so here you are lol

Yes, I would still TR your slot.

Only a few posts seemed ugly to me, but overall I find others way more scummier

[WhyMafia]

Basically any post saying that your slot is obv town. I guess it's also instinct after seeing you complain how you're obvious town when you were scum in the large normal

[WhyMafia]

We need a little spark in this game. Tchill bailed us the fuck out but this game is stagnant and nobody is trying.


One note that I mentioned ealier but I think that there is a possibiliy of 3 scum just because Carca was a mafia goon. I'm not an expert balancer at all lmao but I feel like 9 town and 2 scum is really townsided, and we already have a decently powerful power role in the vig, and carca was only a mafia goon. Unless the last scum is something like a mafia dayvig or something insanely powerful I think that it might be 8 town 3 scum and we have decent firepower.

Ikr. Nobody is doing anything :tear:
Wanna push Alban with me?

[WhyMafia]

I know, but that game mentally scarred me hrkejcjejxbc

[WhyMafia]

I've been trying as of late to not vote as much in games, mostly because it's actually developed as a scumtell that I don't change votes when I am scum and I want to eliminate that weakness in my game, and also because it makes townies for some reason scumread me for switching votes? even though it should be the opposites lmao and not just for me either

What's the point of this? Like stuff like this just pings me ..
plz mulch don't do another betrayal

[WhyMafia]

I know, but that game mentally scarred me hrkejcjejxbc

To be honest you pretty much nailed me as scum the entire game, so you have nothing to be ashamed of. You also nailed me in the newbie game when I was being consensus locked town too.

woot woot

[WhyMafia]

I think we should massclaim tmrw assuming the game is still going on. Thoughts?

If this game doesn't get traction within 2 IRL days, I propose we do it this day phase

[WhyMafia]

You kept telling the neibhvor chat I was scum and Boona and pris kept convincing you otherwise

Ikr. It hurts. At least now I know to trust my reads more xD

[WhyMafia]

I think we should massclaim tmrw assuming the game is still going on. Thoughts?

If this game doesn't get traction within 2 IRL days, I propose we do it this day phase

Disagree. The only reason why I brought it up in the first place was because tmrw, if we lynch wrong and assuming nightkill goes through, there will be 6 players alive, which could be MYLO if there are 2 scum left

But what are the adverse effects to doing it now?

[WhyMafia]

I think we should massclaim tmrw assuming the game is still going on. Thoughts?

If this game doesn't get traction within 2 IRL days, I propose we do it this day phase

Disagree. The only reason why I brought it up in the first place was because tmrw, if we lynch wrong and assuming nightkill goes through, there will be 6 players alive, which could be MYLO if there are 2 scum left

But what are the adverse effects to doing it now?

... it's best not to go into this type of talk. But a simple answer is that it will out the remaining town power roles when we could use a semi confirmed status in a potential myLo. And we might not have that many if there are only 2 scum, even if there are 3 scum

But what if scum CC in MYLO? We'll be pretty hard pressed

[WhyMafia]

Hence the trick situation because we don't even know if it's MyLo lmao so we don't know how to treat claims.

I guess I woulden't 100% oppose a massclaim here, but I am tentatively against it.

And I feel like since we already said we're mass claiming tomorrow, scum can think of fake claims
Doing it right now puts pressure

[WhyMafia]

I'll concede for now

[WhyMafia]

If Alban doesn't flip scum I'll eat my imaginary hat

[WhyMafia]

Yes

[WhyMafia]

I haven't been this confident in a SR since my SR of you that game
I'm not getting talked out of it

[WhyMafia]

Come back Mulch ... or anyone for that matter
Town needs to be less apathetic

[WhyMafia]

goddamit mulch

[WhyMafia]

Scorpious, give me your read on me right now.

Leaning scum. Your posts seem calculated and well thought upon. Not in content,but in how they will be perceived.

Which ones?

[WhyMafia]

Scorpious, give me your read on me right now.

Leaning scum. Your posts seem calculated and well thought upon. Not in content,but in how they will be perceived.

Which ones?

-_-

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Llamafluff

I would justify this more if I could, but right now this is mostly a PoE read.

How do you TR Alban???

[WhyMafia]

And yeah, me likes Scorpius a bit more now
hmm
when in doubt, push alban!

[WhyMafia]

OH FOR KRIFF SAKE I THOUGHT I HAD A HANDLE OF MULCH AND YOU JUST MURKED IT UP
Ok awaiting Mulch response

[WhyMafia]

Meditate on this, I must

[WhyMafia]

Nah don't worry, I'm convinced llama is town
@llama don't worry either, your case has been noted. At the current standing in the game, I think I would rather keep mulch alive. Obviously will re-evaluate every day phase. For now, I'm still shakily believing mulch to be town, as well as you.

On looking at Awesome's posts, they're scummy af. However, my gut is screaming town :-:
Like contradictions don't equate to scum (although they mostly do) and the way his thoughts are scrambled, I see a resemblance to my early days in mafia

[WhyMafia]

I kinda can see where you and steel are going, but I have heavier scum suspects rn
We're getting nowhere with all these directions
We have potential lynches on Llama, you, awesome, alban, and previously scorpius
While any of these aforementioned could be scum, I'm leaning towards keeping them alive for more matieral to sort with. I'm most confident in alban tho, which is why I'm going for him

[WhyMafia]

Whymaf it's not the contradictions it's his motiviation, specifically edging Llama and us into a lock battle of "one of us is scum" which I'm SURE the fucking llama is grazing up like a food they need

But why can't that come from town? People behave irrationally/post stuff like that sometimes
IDK it's just that he's reminding me of myself and how I get mis-lynched a lot due to stuff like that

[WhyMafia]

I get tired of D1. In order to speed up things, and make it less random, I thought it helps being completely honest and transparent about your play style. An independent vouching for that self-assessment can come from players who have played with you before. There were 3 players I had played with before, who were present in the game at that time: Io, Vedith and LUV. In the absence of anything else, I thought it was a good move to take the game fwd. In the end, no one really talked about their own meta, and that direction wasn't taken.

But giving self-meta doesn't do much?? It's way too shaky to be used for much

[WhyMafia]

Nah don't worry, I'm convinced llama is town
@llama don't worry either, your case has been noted. At the current standing in the game, I think I would rather keep mulch alive. Obviously will re-evaluate every day phase. For now, I'm still shakily believing mulch to be town, as well as you.

On looking at Awesome's posts, they're scummy af. However, my gut is screaming town :-:
Like contradictions don't equate to scum (although they mostly do) and the way his thoughts are scrambled, I see a resemblance to my early days in mafia

Posts like these is why you are scummy.
You have no thoughts to offer.

Congrats for the first time in this game, you have called me scummy. Reason: I have no thoughts to offer. Lmfao:
Calling awesome town when everyone calls him scum aren't thoughts???
Calling you scum when nobody else is following me isn't a unique thought???

In fact, we can justify you being scum by using the same reasoning
When have you given unique thoughts? All you are is OMGUS'ing me!

VOTE: Awesome

So, my vote on WhyMafia is crappy, but your vote on me, then on Llama, then on me again, and now on Awesome, is fantastic? You are voting everyone who disagrees with you or votes you.

I love how this just throws shade and doesn't justify his vote. Actually no. He justifies it by saying someone else has a crappy vote record. :sigh:

[WhyMafia]

On the other hand I like your response lmao and your reasons for scumreading me are valid.

VOTE: Alban

And yeah, me likes Scorpius a bit more now
hmm
when in doubt, push alban!

Who was it you sheeped on D1, WhyMafia?
I am not asking you about D2 coz I know the answer.

Look atchu throwing more shade! What does this have to do with someone being scum? It just provides someone with a negative connotation as sheeping is normally perceived as bad. But to answer your question -> Day 1, I sheeped my dislike of Vedith's play, and D2 I sheeped nobody as nobody else called you scum till I did

[WhyMafia]

Interaction between WHyMafia and Mulch on page 37 reads fake.
There's super mild questioning, and subtle towncreds handed over to each other from a past game. WhyMafia handled the questions terribly imo. Everything was either a feeling or a belief or tone. There was nothing substantial to their tr-ing or sr-ing someone.

How is PoE Tr'ing people tone/feels? Look at you go making stuff up Alban! And nice job trying to discredit me by calling my SR of you tone. It's a lot more than that, and that should be obvious to everyone.
And BTW
Even if someone's reads were tonally, that isn't scum indicative barring other factors. While sure, it shows low effort, that is synonymous of town, just as much as scum trying to get by.

[WhyMafia]

If Alban doesn't flip scum I'll eat my imaginary hat

You have already eaten it once with Vedith. How many chances are you gonna get?

When did I say I was confident in Vedith? Hmm oh wait, I didn't.

[WhyMafia]

Alban- explain to me why your ISO has a lack of scumhunting in it.

I'd also like you to explain more your almost ragequit. It's typically perceived as a town move but I've been seeing scum do it lately as well. What was going through your mind when you decided to leave and come back? Why were you prompted to make so much of a drastic decision?

Yes, I have sleepwalked much throughout the game. Which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who has played with me. Unfortunately, Io, Vedith and LUV are all out of the game, who could throw light on my playstyle.

I am not much of a player on D1 coz everything just seems random. But I have tried to change that. In fact, when the hammer was happening, I was reading the last 10 pages, and making a detailed cases on everyone. I can share it with everyone as a proof.

Anyway, so as I was saying, something happened, and I came on the last page where the idiots were voting for Vedith. Now, Vedith was probably the towniest player in the game. It was obvious he was fakeclaiming, but I don't think a scum would do that. To lynch such a towny player was the first reason for the rage.

The second reason was my RV was still on him, and maybe in the absence of that, Vedith wouldn't be lynched. I had voted for him out of spite in a previous game where he didn't support me as a fellow townie. And the game eventually went to the scum. And as I had mentioned in a previous post in this game, that my RVS usually stays until I find a suitable candidate to vote for D1. Which is what I was doing. I was most likely to vote for Awesome or Innocent. But the hammer happened during this. I thought I have 4 days, but the day ended prematurely.

@Alban that's why there's something called UNVOTE
If you were so angry that Vedith was obvious town you should've unvoted and pushed for someone else's lynch. I don't buy you, not one bit. Sure, you were formulating cases against everyone, but you just needed one person that you believed to be scum. The fact that the voting was progressing that quickly should've alarmed you. And you hardly did anything early game to be warranted any form of town cred. And before I get called out for giving shade, I already explained his early game posts. His current posts are doing nothing to convince me otherwise. In hindsight, yes lynching him was a mistake. I'll admit that.

That's actually a really good point and something I didn't even consider when I was scumreading Alban before.

1. It was a weekend.
2. There were 4 more days to go till the deadline.
3. I was absent.
4. When I came online I went to pages 20-25 to see if I get a lead.
5. I was so sure that Vedith is a town that I didn't think he would be lynched.
6. I was the first one to vote. It was an RV.
7. You should be looking at people who interrogated Vedith but didn't vote for him. If he was indeed a sensor, that's the group who wold be keeping away.
8. I was Vedith's top townread.
9. Carca was onto me throughout D1. It could be perceived as svs, but read the exchange. It was obvious that they were trying to frame me.
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Alright let's take a look at this:

Anyway, so as I was saying, something happened, and I came on the last page where the idiots were voting for Vedith. Now, Vedith was probably the towniest player in the game. It was obvious he was fakeclaiming, but I don't think a scum would do that. To lynch such a towny player was the first reason for the rage.

1. It was a weekend.
2. There were 4 more days to go till the deadline.

That still doesn't justify not unvoting if you already believed that he was "Obv town". You said here:

4-5 pages were spent on discussing the validity of the claim, and it was so obvious to me that he fakeclaimed that I kinda lost interest.

So why didn't you argue that he was obvious town? You have no right to be angry when you could've saved him. Additionally,

3. I was absent.

What?? You posted Friday and Saturday? You could've easily seen that he was building up votes and pressure. At that point, even if the lynch had gone to Carc, you should've defended Vedith??

4. When I came online I went to pages 20-25 to see if I get a lead.
5. I was so sure that Vedith is a town that I didn't think he would be lynched.

So you couldn't have checked the VC or the general mood of the game? Leaving your vote on "someone obv town" and using

And as I had mentioned in a previous post in this game, that my RVS usually stays until I find a suitable candidate to vote for D1.

as justification is just horrible in so many ways. As scum, you can easily get your mis-lynch and claim that it's everyone else's fault.

6. I was the first one to vote. It was an RV.

SO? It just furthers your scum agenda.

7. You should be looking at people who interrogated Vedith but didn't vote for him. If he was indeed a sensor, that's the group who wold be keeping away.

Subtle attempt at getting discussion shifted to someone else

8. I was Vedith's top townread.

Actually he had 4 TR's

I'm pretty sure Io is town too. 4 comfortable town reads.

And even then, that defense "a dead person called me town!" is weak

9. Carca was onto me throughout D1. It could be perceived as svs, but read the exchange. It was obvious that they were trying to frame me.

not really

[WhyMafia]

Again I can somewhat verify alban's description of his play as sleepwalking, in fact as scum he seems more active and involved than town.

He seems like the type of player who can easily manipulate that meta though

[WhyMafia]

Again I can somewhat verify alban's description of his play as sleepwalking, in fact as scum he seems more active and involved than town.

Alban it might be better to stop putting all your effort in defending your d1 actions and speak to the future. What are your reads now and what do you see as the way to go forward? I take it you believe whymafia is pushing you in bad faith with your vote on him?

^
I mean to a certain extent, I understand not posting much D1. However, he has spent the whole day 2 just defending himself or OMGUS'ing. And I don't buy his explanation regarding Vedith

[WhyMafia]

@Steel if we don't lynch Llama today, who else are you interested in?

[WhyMafia]

@Mods: Can you guys fix the alive list when you have the opportunity?

[WhyMafia]

If anything before the day ends I would want to solidify as many as possible in list of players I personally would advise never lynching, I feel that would hedge bets somewhat more reliably than anything else if today does end in mislynch.

That would be helpful

[WhyMafia]

What a manipulative asshole. All you did from start of d2 till now is bitch about me with Mulch. Which is why I am talking about you point by point. And no, I am defending. It's called demolishing the strawmen you have created.

So how have you advanced the gamestate?

[WhyMafia]

You know what, just stay away. You wanna vote for me, vote for me. Just don't fucking interact.

....

[WhyMafia]

What a manipulative asshole. All you did from start of d2 till now is bitch about me with Mulch. Which is why I am talking about you point by point. And no, I am defending. It's called demolishing the strawmen you have created.

So how have you advanced the gamestate?

I'm null on you, but you are very stuck on "advancing the gamestate..

I know it may seem obvious to some,buy I would like to hear it from you, Why is it so important?

And how does Alban's anger read to you?

I mean I just find it weird that Alban has all these cases and found Vedith to be obv town yet didn't do anything. Then he says he lost interest, but had cases, but hasn't posted them. In my opinion, a players lack of advancing the gamestate as a scum tell is a case by case basis
Unluckily for me, I find his anger believable, and don't know what to make of it. I don't like his comment asking for me not to interact with him though, as communication as town is vital.

[WhyMafia]

Out of curiosity, which games of mine do you keep referring to, in regards to my meta? And am I tunneling Alban then? After not posting for a while, I think I might be, but I want other opinions

[WhyMafia]

wtf happened
mulch calm tf down

[WhyMafia]

I mean, I'm not really concerned about getting lynched. I think people calling me scum don't have enough to formulate a good case, but to anyone interested:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=71612
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71848

[WhyMafia]

Yeah
I've re-read Alban's ISO
Definitely getting cold feet. If you're reading this, sorry for the tunnel Alban, but I was 99% sure you were scum, and the OMGUS didn't help ;p
Re-read Awesome's ISO, I suppose I'll go on that if we don't find a suitable lynch

IMO
Steel and Llama are pretty likely town
Mulch likely as well, but I hesitate to put him in above bracket because there's a few things that bothered me. He shouldn't be lynched anytime soon though.
Everyone else goes here
Awesome

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Awesome

[WhyMafia]

I mean the others are definitely townier, dw, you aint getting lynched any time either <3

[WhyMafia]

About your question regarding WhyMafia, just read his post 1190after I said I am leaving (P-edit: which I see you already have). There was a complete turnaround. He has been doing that throughout the game. He is keeping both Mulch and Llama happy, who are active players, and who need to be on his side if he needs to survive. There's a possibility he could be town, but that's too slim.

Because I felt guilt and your replace out made me doubt myself? So you're saying I'm appeasing the others? Is someone not allowed to re-think the game?? You haven't even made a scum case on me apart from "he makes a bad post or two bahh"
I do that every game. Get original and SR me for something other than tone. I changed my mind again. You're scum. VOTE: alban

[WhyMafia]

@mulch @llama
This is blatant manipulation from Alban
He freaking makes me feel guilty for getting him to replace out, then turns out not to replace out and gain the sympathy of town??? If you cause someone to replace out due to anger, you should re-check and think about what you've been doing. I THOUGHT his anger was genuine. It seems not. He just used that replace out

[WhyMafia]

Like I'm pissed. WAS YOUR WHOLE ANGER FAKE ALBAN?

[WhyMafia]

Lynch alban, scorpious or awesome is his scumbuddy is it's a 3 person game, inclining towards awesome

[WhyMafia]

You know what? I want to gladiate with Alban. 1 v 1 me.

[WhyMafia]

Scorpius .. I retracted bc I thought his anger was genuine. You think my whole tirade against Alban was fake? If so ... I honestly don't know what to say.

[WhyMafia]

Mulch your formatting though

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Alban

I dont like replacing/not replacing being used as a tactic. Also why are you staying now, because people backed off?

The push,and retraction from Whymaf seems fake also.. I would support that lynch to today.

@Mulch what do you think of this post?

[WhyMafia]

The thing is WhyMafia I agree that the semi replace out was sort of manipulative, but I also think he has a valid point, or at least one that could be naturally formed, that you sort of shifted the townread when everyone was townreading him for his replace out, when you shoulden't have in the first place. If a slot is scum it's scum etc. ALso, his entrance sort of felt like to me "I can't resist staying in just so we can lynch that scumfuck WhyMafia".

I mean THE WHOLE REASON I RE-CHECKED CAUSE I FELT HIS FRUSTRATION/ANGER WAS GENUINE FIJRFHIRIHR

[WhyMafia]

And yes, I agree with you regarding Scorpius being scum. Lol I probs look like an idiot changing my mind so much, but lynchpool is between scorp, awesome, and alban

[WhyMafia]

Alright. I'll think about Alban for a while. gtg for now but I think we're closer to having this game solved

[WhyMafia]

I am extremely sorry, but I'm having a substantial IRL problem currently. I may not post frequently in the next outlet of days, but I will try to post when I can. If there comes a point where you guys get frustrated from a lack of content from me, I'll replace out, but I doubt it'll get that bad. Thanks for the consideration

[WhyMafia]

BTW
I'm not fencesitting on Llama and Mulch. I'm blatantly calling them town. I have no idea how I'm coasting. I've blantantly said my lynchpool: You, awesome, or scorpious

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Scorpius

[WhyMafia]

I mean clearly Alban's lynch isn't happening, and I've repeatedly stated you or Awesome is in my lynchpool. I'll shift to Awesome if there's enough support, and we're not no-lynching today soon

[WhyMafia]

soo*

[WhyMafia]

Post 142 is tonally awkward and seems like someone trying to get town cred. However, his repetition on getting Alban to respond was good, but not necessarily enough to save himself. Then the fiasco with the replace out: it seems that he's angry that someone potentially more active/someone to catch on to him is going to be replacing in. I don't see why as town, someone would mind a replace out. It's not like the game progressed so that someone couldn't catch up, and it always provides a new voice to get opinions from. The Vedith vote makes him look bad as well, as it saves his scum buddy who was beginning to pick up votes.
Post 1229 is really bad. He's going with the person more voted, but then also says he'll go me. This is prime fence-sitting. He also doesn't defend others from fence-sitting, even though he did himself, hopefully to make people ignore him. Especially considering in post 1076 he had Alban, MM4, and Mulch as scum. Then he shades Steel. His posts seem to be OMGUS'y as well, and indignant. He hasn't really pursued his scum reads. He has shaded almost every player alive, yet he has only casted two votes, and it's pretty obvious he's not like the type of player who casts his vote once in a phase. He doesn't seem to be aggressively pushing anyone, just happy when the game is just floating around and really indignant when he gets voted himself. Like his responses have the feel of someone who's cornered in.
I am convinced this is scum.

[WhyMafia]

You asked why, I delivered. Keep up the OMGUS

[WhyMafia]

Llama, what do you think?

[WhyMafia]

We're not lynching Mulch

[WhyMafia]

I was referring to Llama

[WhyMafia]

lmao
never thought i'd see the day where mulch gets prodded

[WhyMafia]

im kinda concerned if i got pocketed by mulch
eh .. we'll cross that bridge if game continues after Scorp's lynch

[WhyMafia]

Mfw all my scum reads want to vote me/are currently voting me

and then there's llama but ehhhh

[WhyMafia]

I was going to post intent to hammer but I re-read Scorpious and still don't really want to lynch him. As much I dislike his play thus far, I think he's town. I don't really have an alternative to offer, though. :/ I guess if it had to be Scorpious or WM, I'd vote for WM. We've still got time though.

@Scorpious: Can you do me a favor and summarize your understanding of why people are suspecting you? Like, someone voting you has to be town; why do you think they're voting you?

Also, I read some Mulch meta and the posturing and insistence that he's obvtown is pretty typical. He didn't seem that self-conscious in the town-game I read, though. And he's usually more trolly. Admittedly, I didn't look specifically for a game in which someone hard-tunneled him, but I've relieved one concern, I guess.

@Mulch: I understand the motivation for scum not to kill you. I'm asking why Llama's tunnel means auto-lose.

VOTE: llama

THis is not a vote for scum hunting. This is a vote that says, you lose us the game if you are not killed right now.

Make a case on why he's town
Or someone make one IDC

[WhyMafia]

@WM - How are Scorp and AUN your top two scum reads? You were voting alban until just a few pages ago.

Actually a pretty good question tbh. He did that whole case on Scorp but I want to know AUN

I'll make my case on AUN tomorrow
I'm tired rn

[WhyMafia]

WM is horrible over the last page or so. Alban has just easily passed him town read wise.

Scorp is still more likely town than scum but needs to claim here so we can figure out what needs to be done. Sooner rather than later would be great.

@WM - How are Scorp and AUN your top two scum reads? You were voting alban until just a few pages ago.

And I told you I re-evaluated
Mario/Steel/You are top tier
Mulch
Followed by Alban
Then Aun
Finally Scorpius
Plus, the fact that nobody else wants to go on Alban made me look for alternatives

[WhyMafia]

lmao
never thought i'd see the day where mulch gets prodded

This game is horrible lol

It is
You are like the only player I'm having fun with
Mario is absent 99% of the time

[WhyMafia]

lmao
never thought i'd see the day where mulch gets prodded

This game is horrible lol

It is
You are like the only player I'm having fun with
Mario is absent 99% of the time

This sounds almost too good to be true because 99% of the time it's the opposite way people say for me. lol

You're not

that

obnoxious

[WhyMafia]

@WM - How are Scorp and AUN your top two scum reads? You were voting alban until just a few pages ago.

Actually a pretty good question tbh. He did that whole case on Scorp but I want to know AUN

I'll make my case on AUN tomorrow
I'm tired rn

Like off the top of your head?

he seems genuine and is actually putting in effort when as scum, you really don't need to do much to win currently

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: no lynch

[WhyMafia]

Massclaim time? Who's going first?

[WhyMafia]

Ikr
I'm VT

[WhyMafia]

Question: What prevents scum!Scorpious from killing AUN tonight?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: alban

[WhyMafia]

If alban is scum what is 222

Nothing that changes my mind

[WhyMafia]

I think this is a scum watcher. It doesn't make sense to be a town!watcher with a vigilante

[WhyMafia]

This setup doesn't seem balanced unless Alban is mafia watcher. But eh I've never been a nerd regarding balance

[WhyMafia]

Have fun!

I feel like you're taunting us

[WhyMafia]

damn

[WhyMafia]

LMAO

[WhyMafia]

It did buy them a mis-lynch
Sorry alban

[WhyMafia]

But how the heck did Scorp die??? Re-directors aren't normal I believe, and there can't be another vigilante ...

[WhyMafia]

And it makes no sense for scum to ...
OH
OMG

[WhyMafia]

I DIDNT SEE THE TRAITOR PART AHAAHAHAHAAA

[WhyMafia]

GG WP

[WhyMafia]

Wait I'm going to PM ircher to ask if traitor is aware of one member of the scum team

[WhyMafia]

If so, then llama is close to me considering he's scum
But I need to look at the ISO of Llama and Scorpius more

[WhyMafia]

Poor mafia team

[WhyMafia]

Oh wow Scorpius knew both members

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Llama
Mulch, join me. That last post was scummy af. AUN is likely to vote me as well .. which leaves Mario to be tiebreaker.
So it is a 1 v 1 with me and Llama
I'll have more stuff tomorrow morning

[WhyMafia]

Game = solved ba bam
Well played Llama!

[WhyMafia]

I love how vedith has the second highest posts in this game and someone who replaced in day 2 has the highest.

[WhyMafia]

L-1

[WhyMafia]

Mulch you're forgetting he doesn't want to vote you though because you're not idiotic

[WhyMafia]

He is literally hedging l m a o

[WhyMafia]

@WM - What did this mean after the hammer on alban?

damn

The self-vote

[WhyMafia]

Bah. I mean the scum kill makes sense coming from Mario because he's been apathetic, did nothing, and just let the game flow by. AUN is town and I'mm 99% sure Mulch is town. We have 2 lynches. Either way we win.

[WhyMafia]

Llama's recent posts were good. And I understand his logic regarding Scorpius. I guess I was too zealous last night.

[WhyMafia]

*Pressuring alban for thinking Carcalilly was scum
*Directing Tchill towards alban over Carcalilly
*Voting Carcalilly after I starting pushing there (but saying they would move to alban/Vedith)
*Voting Vedith (five hours later, no reasoning)
*Going back to Carcalilly as I kept pushing there and momentum shifted
*Voting Vedith for L-1 because... no real reason ever given

Because I was clueless. Either way worked to me. All 3 could've been scum. I gave L-1 because at that point, I wanted to policy-lynch Vedith at that point and wasn't thinking rationally. I was sick of his play. It was just causing more confusion.

[WhyMafia]

@WM: Why the hard townread on Mulch?

Interactions with Scorpious

[WhyMafia]

@Llama a scum watcher seemed likely to me because we had a vigilante. The vigilante theoretically could kill two town or 1 town/1 scum. Then the watcher could see the vig kill, and use it to get ez mis-lynch
so ???

[WhyMafia]

To me it's
60% Llama
30% Mario
10% Mulch

[WhyMafia]

So you went from "oh its completely alban" to "wow he is town and shouldn't be lynched" after the self vote? If you thought he was scum why express disappointment in that? If you knew he was town though, feigned frustration makes sense.

I said damn because I wasn't sure what to make of that self-vote ...

[WhyMafia]

What do y'all think about Llama "twilight" post?

Not sure TBH

[WhyMafia]

So you went from "oh its completely alban" to "wow he is town and shouldn't be lynched" after the self vote? If you thought he was scum why express disappointment in that? If you knew he was town though, feigned frustration makes sense.

I said damn because I wasn't sure what to make of that self-vote ...

So you were happy with the lynch?

If you were around to unvote before Mulch hammered, would you have and why?

I'd have kept my vote. I was wrong, but I viewed the self-vote as NAI

[WhyMafia]

Ugh I'm getting colder feet on Llama. Mario has good tone ... but not much else.
@AUN can you do an analysis on Mario? It seems like we're just ignoring that slot.

[WhyMafia]

But how does that make Llama scum?

[WhyMafia]

That's just being irrational

[WhyMafia]

Yeah I've re-read
Lynchpool is Mario for today

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: mario

[WhyMafia]

I shall make a Mario case later today

[WhyMafia]

WhyMafia Presents ... HIS ULTRA RARE WALL POST ... DUHN DUHN DUHN

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Part 1

I am against the Scorpious lynch.

Ahem. This is quite strange of an opener. However, Scorpious flipped traitor, and mafia didn't know he was the traitor from their role PM, so nothing suspicious here. But wait ...

Me and you.

Okay. If I gave you a full gun, and said don't kill us buddy! Who would you kill right now as scum?

awesomeusername.

Me and you.

Okay. If I gave you a full gun, and said don't kill us buddy! Who would you kill right now as scum?

awesomeusername.

Why don't you ever want to work with me?!

I think we can get Scorpious lynched tbh.

Where did this come from??? He goes from not supporting a Scorpious lynch ... to supporting an Awesome lynch ... to stating he could push a Scorpious lynch?? This is coming with an interaction with Vedith .... who is the person who you'd like on their good side, I would say, as being pushed by him is quite weird. This also fits in if Mario was scum, as he knows Vedith is town, and wouldn't want Vedith to push him early game. Ok!

VOTE: mario

For making things difficult for vedith.

Making things difficult for vedith is my job

This comment seems to me like a way to counter buddying accusations and just float by. Like clearly he didn't make things hard for Vedith if he agreed that he could get a Scorpious lynch .. quite easily through. Although this could come from town, as there's really no right way to respond to this. But because of the previous interactions, I'm leaning this to come from a scum mentality.

anyone up for a game of shitposting?

While Mario is a shitposter, I don't see why someone as town would say this. Sure, it makes things lighthearted .. but it also helps the scum float by.

Carca, how many scum do you think they have?
Think they have any particular roles?

Uhhh I'm going to take a lucky guess and say 3.

we could always talk about how this is trying too hard to look uninformed

This seems like a really weak attempt at bussing. It's reasoning is too flimsy to catch on very quickly, but associates Mario with pushing Carc.

VOTE: Scorpious
What a substantially insignificant question.

This was aimed towards Scorpious. It's blatant shading, considering at that point, Scorpious had done more to scum hunt than Mario, and Mario wouldn't know Scorpious is scum. He's chainsawing onto Scorpious .. and seems to be lightly attempting to pocket Alban.

You're asking a player if they will votepark which is like the weirdest and least impactful question ever. I have absolutely no actual good reads at the moment so you get a vote. Enjoy.

But any attempt to stimulate discussion assists town in formulating reads. Mario seems to be trying to put that down, while at the same time, claiming he doesn't have solid reads, without actually doing anything to make reads. Mario isn't providing something for Scorpious to counter. It's just shading.

VOTE: Steel
Your No-Lynch gimmick is mediocre and your insistence on continuing it when everyone ignores it is bad.

...? I love how Mario is forming reads off what others do .... maybe they do this so people like Mario can get reads! Another mediocre reason to push someone despite not actually doing anything to keep discussion going.

Feel free to do so. It gives us an extra Town Power Role.

More banter with Vedith, to get Vedith to sheep him .. hmm

I was wondering how long it would take people to start voting steel. Wouldn't scum try to blend in more though?

Do you think that scum always try to blend in?

Once again, this comment goes nowhere except for the fact that it casts shade. Mario hasn't said how this is scum indicative yet

If you don't lean anything on him, why did you need to comment on people voting him?

Once again, trying to limit discussion. It promotes an atmosphere of "I am going to SR you if you're not certain of something, and it naturally slows down discussion and cause doubt. Mario should know that this isn't scum indicative, and that people can have opinions of someone's vote, without having a tangible opinion on the person being voted. It's called voting for BS reasons.

what is important about the selfmeta?

Soft defends Alban

ok, were you hoping to achieve anything by pointing it out?

Sounds like SvS because once again, it doesn't really do much to push someone, and just puts a little shade.

but like do you think self-meta will come exclusively from scum here?

Continues to soft defend Alban, but at the same time not push Carca. He's making her claim of self-meta being doubtful yucky, which makes Mario look like he's trying to convince Carca that Alban is town, and it looks like he's making Carca vs Alban to be TvT. It also makes Mario look good, but I feel like at this point, Mario and Carca realized that Alban can be mis-lynch bait later in the game, and they could get town cred to soft defending him. This whole interaction with Carc/Alban/Mario looks forced on behalf of Carc and Mario.

darn you foiling my attempts to get scumreads

This seems tonally fake

i mean that's totally ignoring context but ok

Once again soft defends Vedith and discredits TChill

I feel like it's a really awkward reaction test though.
Like, Steel votes no lynch, sure, w/e.
But when he does it again, that's just trying to force a reaction when none exists. It's not going with the actual flow of reactions, it's like "HI GUYS DID YOU REMEMBER I EXIST YEAH I'M GOING TO DO THIS REACTION TEST YAY PLEASE RESPOND SO I CAN GET THE TOWNCREDIT"

Yet Mario didn't have reads at that point. Isn't doing what Steel did helpful in forming reads and causing debate? Mario seems to be grasping at straws to keep his vote worthwhile.

we could get some votes flowing on one player???? steel????

Forcing the direction of the game. If Mario's town, he himself said he's not fully confident in his reads. Therefore, why should the game be pushed in that direction?

don't really think you've done anything noteworthy and neither has anyone else, mostly i think voting or at least the suggestion of such may jumpstart the game

I feel like Mario knew Steel was mis-lynch bait at that point in the game, and was hoping Steel made some sort of "slip" while being pressured.

When I'm scum I usually just focus on when someone mentions me or my scumpartner, and not care about the rest of the game. ^

when i'm scum i just do random shit hardcore push a townie occasionally etc

They happen to post their self-metas under no obligation to at the same time

UNVOTE:
steel feels town to me carca's posting is a stretch but not sure if it's scum-indicative rn
don't have any scumreads so i'm just going to not use my vote for now

???? I have no idea how town!Mario would say this. A) He continues to lightly bus Carc without actually making a half-decent push on her, or even following up on the lead when he has no scum reads. Then because he doesn't have scum reads, he decides not to use his vote ... despite the fact that he had no reason then to vote Steel. In fact, he's trying to exit the conversation! He uses the flimsy Steel comment to start a half-wagon on Steel even though he never gave how any of it is scum-indicative. Then, when he's a little more certain on Carc, but not positive on it, he decides not to pursue it??? This seems like bussing.

so what are you going to do about that read?

pedit:

This seems like another fake comment

I KNOW IT

and if you're town, how do you know
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN

Bah. I originally on my skim through, tonally read Mario as town. BUT THIS SEEMS FORCED ;-;

But my role pm says Carcalilly is scum!

Desperado: Carcalilly

You can't get me if I get you first!

This seems like partner interaction

and .... wait ..what? My wall ended?? NEVER FEAR I SHALL CONTINUE WHEN I HAVE THE TIME!

5b. Do not attempt to use BBCode to hide messages.

This post has been edited accordingly.
~Ircher

[WhyMafia]

TL;DR
He seems to be buddying Vedith & more subtly Alban
His interactions with Carc are weird, especially if you factor in the self-meta & Steel

[WhyMafia]

Why does everyone say my walls are forced :/
You know what's funny? Scorpius said the same thing

[WhyMafia]

Then why the hell would I have NK'ed Scorpious

[WhyMafia]

It makes sense for you to kill him xd
I knew he was scum and I was right. If I SR him, as scum, doesn't that you know .... mean that I would think he's my traitor
I love how Mario just chooses to say my wall is forced, and completely ignores my accusations

[WhyMafia]

What if you didn't think he was scum and were fabricating it because you're scum? Shocker

Why should I bother responding to it? You're literally just painting all of my posts as scummy and I'm not going to bother responding to that. You literally went and digged up a case for my RVS posts.

If you want a real response, make a real case.

So you're saying RVS lasted for half of Day 1?
I even gave a few of my main points in my first analysis
A) Your resistance to vote Carca despite voting Steel for the same reason
B) Attempting to limit discussion
C) Buddying to Alban and Vedith
D) Your weird interactions with Carca

[WhyMafia]

And is any of that illogical? You're refusing to answer those 4 points. Prove to me why I'm wrong. Why are you determined not to?

[WhyMafia]

The reason it's in a scum POV, because combined with flips, I don't see the town POV

[WhyMafia]

?????
Because I don't see the town POV??? You're blatantly misinterpreting to get out of responding. Ridiculous

[WhyMafia]

The reason it's in a scum POV, because combined with flips, I don't see the town POV

So you're admitting that it's a case based on a mm4!scum POV. Great. So I don't have to respond to it after all.

Like this in itself is ridiculously scummy.

[WhyMafia]

?????
Because I don't see the town POV??? You're blatantly misinterpreting to get out of responding. Ridiculous

... Then why would you respond like that to me saying that it was biased?

I never said it was biased
I said I failed to see the town motivation. I want you to prove me wrong, but you're not

[WhyMafia]

1. This was all RVS jokes. I was null on Scorpious, I was pretty much null on Awesomeusername, and I was joking about being scum w/ Vedith since he brought it up.

My main points weren't even focused on Scorpious yet ..? I barely mentioned AUN, and Vedith was a reoccurring pattern. I don't see why you would continue to support him/have weird interactions with him.

2. AGAIN RVS jokes. Everyone was talking about games and shit.

Once again. I didn't realize RVS lasted halfway through D1 ... Like post 200+ is not RVS no matter how much you claim otherwise. And even then, earlier interactions do give inklings in associations/reads.

3. Or maybe it's from the Town POV of thinking this was a 13p game and someone saying there might be 3 mafia members is trying to sound uninformed. You know, since there's no actual thought over that, just assigning scum motivation to everything I say.

I'm bewildered why you're focusing on these specific things and not the bigger picture. I merely said that was tonally off to me, and seemed forced. That's a matter of opinion, and I'm confused why you decided to highlight that.

4. Actually at that point Scorpious hadn't scumhunted at all. And the pocketing attempt thing is just bad. Stop saying "X is Y" when there's no evidence to back up that X is actually Y.

Incorrect. Scorpius was following up on something on Alban. You did nothing at that point and seemed to be criticizing him for pursuing Alban. I don't get why that would be a problem to you, and the fact that you continued to soft defend Alban, by countering Carc, seems forced/fake. You're literally chainsawing everyone who accused Alban D1

5. ... No, it didn't "help town in formulating reads." It was a weird and unsubstantial question that looked like busywork. And if it stimulated discussion... surely my vote did too

But how can it be busywork if it stimulates discussion? Your vote didn't do much at that stage because there wasn't overall patterns, and it's not like anyone can counter what you said, because there's nothing to argue from that post. How would it stimulate discussion (your vote). Meanwhile, Alban was forced to respond, you reacted, etc.

And yes, I was trying to get reads. Literally the whole fucking point. As I said. Which you might have noticed if you were, you know, actually reading the game instead of trying to extract scummy things from my ISO.

So you admit that you did scummy things? Additionally, I would say you haven't hard pushed anyone this game, and have merely coasted. I at least have tried scum hunting unlike you. You repeatedly say you have no reads, and when you have the opportunity to pursue those reads, you don't. Case in point, where I stopped in my original wall.

Scumreading people =/= shading.

But you never said you had any scum reads? You reversed basically all of them and didn't pursue scummy vibes you stated as having. And then you chainsawed onto people who were attacking town, but never really did anything. You just gave 2 comments and left it hanging, giving the impression that you scum hunted.

7. Or maybe joking to have fun? These overwhelmingly aren't points. Just assigning scum motivation to things.

Once again, you ignore my main points and I'm starting to think you're purposely ignoring them. It's the bigger picture. You're general bussing with Carc, , shading, and buddying disturbed me. The fact that they were repeated moreso.

8. I WAS LITERALLY QUESTIONING HIM TO SEE IF HIS THOUGHT PROCESS WAS REAL like what

I don't know which post you're referring to here

[WhyMafia]

Mario is basically ignoring most of my tangible points and is focusing on tiny tidbits that look ridiculous on their own. *sigh*

[WhyMafia]

Mulch, AUN, join me on this righteous wagon

[WhyMafia]

Or else I'll be sad :-:

[WhyMafia]

Wow nobody wants to read my posts
Mulch remember my wall on Seung
I have the same level of confidence from that wall

[WhyMafia]

@Llama
That's not fair you made so many walls to case Mulch. Alas, I must shorten my case. I'll do tomorrow morning

[WhyMafia]

I truly think it's Mario with a smaller chance in Llama

[WhyMafia]

By god. Ugh I didn't have time to case Mario better. Llama is Mis-Lynch bait. It's better than no lynch though so I'll hammer before deadline, but Mario is scum

[WhyMafia]

Like I can't explain it but something about Llama is telling me he's town after I re-read his ISO
On the top of my head
Read Mario's interactions with slots that flipped town/Scum

[WhyMafia]

That's bullshit
The same can be said for you

[WhyMafia]

I'm referring to you getting my lynched
It's optimal for either AUN, you, or me to leave Mulch/Llama Alice
For them, it's optimal to kill AUN

[WhyMafia]

Yet you start off by saying "No"
You're pushing me because to you, I'm being irrational. Irrationality does not equate to scum. You haven't even said how I'm scum yet. You're literally focusing on one point of my case to discredit me

[WhyMafia]

PSA
MARIO IS SCUM BECAUSE ASSOCIATIONS AND COASTING

[WhyMafia]

i started off saying no because you were implying that i was accusing you of being scum for wanting me lynched which is inaccurate

That's an abysmal reason to SR someone

[WhyMafia]

I mis-read my apologies <3

[WhyMafia]

Also your alban interactions are like horrible.

I just thought what he was saying w/ alban and the 180 is unlikely to come from scum.

????

[WhyMafia]

Like everything Mario said he town read me ... which he couldn't even explain, he's now scum reading me for
P-Edit

How come you didn't mention any of this when others were harping on me about "poor interactions"
You read the thread, yet you didn't post that it was ugly

[WhyMafia]

Explain your turn around on Vedith and reluctance to vote Carc

[WhyMafia]

When have you done anything Mario
Go on ...