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Carcalilly, you are moving around your votes a bit too much. Also, Vedith and Carcalilly, you are spamming a lot.
Awesomeusername, your exchange with Vedith and Mario in 33 and 73 - weird. You want logic in Vedith's fooling around post in the dawn phase?
I am innocent, why are you interested in Connect 4 and not in Mafia?
Have you played with any of the players and how do the play generally? We can start there.In post 122, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
What game related content do you think we should be talking about instead?In post 118, alban wrote:How is all this random talk relevant to the game?
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Let's get this out of way. If you have any definitive experience with anyone, let's discuss that. 3 benefits:
1. The scum may not behave in that exact way if you point out their tells, but at least they will be on a backfoot to change their game style.
2. You!scum may not easily implicate easy town lynches by pointing out the town players' apparent scummy tells later on in the game by saying whatever bullshit comes to your mind at that time (this game, this post in the past game, etc. etc.). Say it now, or no one believes you.
3. It's the best way to make hay of the rvs. Otherwise nothing much will happen and a random wagon will start.
I remember playing with Io. She will give long winding explanations about game mechanics and why and who is scum. I believe (but not sure) that she is logical, terse and concise when town.-
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I will get used to your spamming and you get used to my scumminess.In post 155, Carcalilly wrote:Usually getting right into the game and moving it forward looks townie to me but something about the way alban does it is just scummy-
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Possible. That was a newbie game.In post 164, Io wrote:UNVOTE:
Well thank you for calling me logical, but I don't really know if I would fall myself concise, I will make large posts if I need to get a point across.In post 144, alban wrote:I remember playing with Io. She will give long winding explanations about game mechanics and why and who is scum. I believe (but not sure) that she is logical, terse and concise when town.
Also I think the game mechanic talk was unique to that game if I recall because people weren't quite understanding them.
Frankly, I'm not really sure what the point in going over how people typically play helps. Like for example, I try to keep consistent play across whatever alignment I am and I'm pretty sure most people do that as to avoid scum slipping every time they are scum due to their meta.
Plus, the rules forbid Trust Tells and going over people's meta as town vs scum seems to be encroaching on breaking that rule.
Reguardless I've only played a full game with Alban, and maybe LUV and I am Innocent but I don't remember those games. Alban I remember does this kind of thing in all games if not most that I've played with him where he wants to talk about people's behavior.
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Depends on my surety regarding the prior vote.In post 160, Scorpious wrote:Alban,Do you plan on making one vote and sticking with it when we get into the meat of the game?
Usually, my RVS vote stays on until I am fairly certain about someone being a scum and then that vote stays till the deadline, regardless of the wagon.
I usually don't much care about the wagon or the need to lynch someone. My observation is that whenever I go by the majority's decision, it screws up myself as well as the game. I rather go by my own reads, whether right or wrong, and hope to convince others about the correctness of that vote.-
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Reasons?In post 166, Carcalilly wrote:
TownIn post 164, Io wrote:UNVOTE:
Well thank you for calling me logical, but I don't really know if I would fall myself concise, I will make large posts if I need to get a point across.In post 144, alban wrote:I remember playing with Io. She will give long winding explanations about game mechanics and why and who is scum. I believe (but not sure) that she is logical, terse and concise when town.
Also I think the game mechanic talk was unique to that game if I recall because people weren't quite understanding them.
Frankly, I'm not really sure what the point in going over how people typically play helps. Like for example, I try to keep consistent play across whatever alignment I am and I'm pretty sure most people do that as to avoid scum slipping every time they are scum due to their meta.
Plus, the rules forbid Trust Tells and going over people's meta as town vs scum seems to be encroaching on breaking that rule.
Reguardless I've only played a full game with Alban, and maybe LUV and I am Innocent but I don't remember those games. Alban I remember does this kind of thing in all games if not most that I've played with him where he wants to talk about people's behavior.-
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I get your point. At the same time, I believe that if nothing more, at least it takes the game fwd in the sense that people talk about their own or others' behaviours rather than talking about random stuff.In post 164, Io wrote:UNVOTE:
Well thank you for calling me logical, but I don't really know if I would fall myself concise, I will make large posts if I need to get a point across.In post 144, alban wrote:I remember playing with Io. She will give long winding explanations about game mechanics and why and who is scum. I believe (but not sure) that she is logical, terse and concise when town.
Also I think the game mechanic talk was unique to that game if I recall because people weren't quite understanding them.
Frankly, I'm not really sure what the point in going over how people typically play helps. Like for example, I try to keep consistent play across whatever alignment I am and I'm pretty sure most people do that as to avoid scum slipping every time they are scum due to their meta.
Plus, the rules forbid Trust Tells and going over people's meta as town vs scum seems to be encroaching on breaking that rule.
Reguardless I've only played a full game with Alban, and maybe LUV and I am Innocent but I don't remember those games. Alban I remember does this kind of thing in all games if not most that I've played with him where he wants to talk about people's behavior.-
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Can we avoid answering for others? It's better to have people answering on their own. You never know what slips out.In post 187, Carcalilly wrote:
I'm pretty sure that question was asked to counter the fact that they pointed me out for CHANGING my vote too muchIn post 185, MarioManiac4 wrote:You're asking a player if they will votepark which is like the weirdest and least impactful question ever. I have absolutely no actual good reads at the moment so you get a vote. Enjoy.-
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In post 209, Tchill13 wrote:I don't lean anything on steel he's not done anything AI. He needs to do something different because what he's doing doesn't help him either way.In post 210, MarioManiac4 wrote:If you don't lean anything on him, why did you need to comment on people voting him?-
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Agree.In post 209, Tchill13 wrote:I don't lean anything on steel he's not done anything AI. He needs to do something different because what he's doing doesn't help him either way.
I will let him answer that. Once he posts, I wanna say something on this.In post 210, MarioManiac4 wrote:If you don't lean anything on him, why did you need to comment on people voting him?-
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Can you direct us to the post where you were thinking on these lines?In post 205, awesomeusername wrote:I like this push. It's similar to what I was thinking earlier.
VOTE: I Am Innocent
Again, want them to clarify before I say anything. But once they do, I would like to get back to this post. I am saying this about certain posts more as a reminder to myself. Sometimes with the onslaught of topics and offshoots, I tend to forget things. Also, I believe the initial days, however innocuous they may seem, are the most important. Scum feels the most confident and hence more reckless about their behaviour and slips. So, it's important to get back to these initial posts.In post 205, awesomeusername wrote: @Tchill:
Like I kind of agree with you, but if he's town he shouldn't just no-vote. If he keeps doing nothing, it really looks like he just doesn't know how to pretend to be town. What I'm expecting is that he'll say "I wanted to see who was going to vote me because they must be scum jumping on an easy target," which is frankly a terrible way of catching scum, and also an easy way for scum to get some fake-scumreads. Hopefully I'm wrong, though. Do you lean town on him?In post 198, Tchill13 wrote:I was wondering how long it would take people to start voting steel. Wouldn't scum try to blend in more though?-
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Something about my behaviour as scum and town.
People who have played with me know this: I am a very proactive town, and a very laidback scum. Partial reason for this is coz I guess I am a transparent person irl, and my laidback game as a scum is to overcompensate the guilt and fear of getting caught. I try extra hard to not get in arguments, make excessive statements, or even try to take the game fwd.
As opposed to what Io and what a lot of other players say regarding maintaining a more even game, I have not done that coz I don't have and care for that sort of long-term vision for the game. I have more immediate concerns in a game as a town. And they are usually apparent in the way I wanna take charge and take the game fwd. I definitely don't have logical skills that help me see through, hence I rely a lot on my instinct, and they are usually not wrong. But then once the instinct tells something, I try to dissect that instinct and see if that stands the test of logic. And if it does, I go ahead with my suspicion in the form of a vote. There are certain games of me as a town which are exception to that. Where I begin as what I described, but then somewhere in the middle either I lose my interest, or I lose my centre and get confused. But the only way it works for me is if I proceed with my own reads and ways of playing the game rather than emulating someone else or going with the majority.-
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That's an interesting observation. Why is scum (slightly) more invested in self-meta? Will they do that even in a game where a substantial number has played with them before? For example, I have played with at least 3 out of 10 players here.In post 237, Io wrote:Alban's is mostly NAI but I would agree that self meta is done slightly more often by scum like maybe a 4:6 T:S usage of self meta based on anecdotal evidence.-
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I don't suspect them. It's late. Turning in. Will recollect and post reads tomorrow.
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Why?In post 399, WhyMafia wrote:I have a scum read on Alban-
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Wow. So many why's! Reasons.In post 425, Vedith wrote:Town - never lynch
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Would like to respond to what according to you is my good and bad. Elaborate, please.In post 496, awesomeusername wrote: ..
Why_Mafia's case on alban seems fair. I still think alban's good outweighs his bad at the moment but I'd like to see him respond.-
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Joke or test.In post 502, Io wrote:So fake claiming does not equal scum.
Especially when it's so obviously fake like that. It can only be a joke and there's no reason to even take it seriously.-
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Not interested. I think you are one of those players who so badly wanna enter a game with a bang that that desperation results in tunnelling. Honestly, that post is a blob of fluff. You are seeing what you wanna see. Most of your points are NAI at best. How do I know that without even re-reading your post? Coz I am town, you silly.In post 498, WhyMafia wrote:
Would like you to counter my scum case firstIn post 497, alban wrote:
Would like to respond to what according to you is my good and bad. Elaborate, please.In post 496, awesomeusername wrote: ..
Why_Mafia's case on alban seems fair. I still think alban's good outweighs his bad at the moment but I'd like to see him respond.-
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I don't like your tr reasons, but like your sr reasons. They kind of fit into why ppl generally sr me.In post 510, awesomeusername wrote:
The good is a lot of gut, but I think's mostly that you seem to be processing the game trying to read people, and it feels to me like it's coming from a town mindset. You've also been generating discussion in a way that I like.In post 497, alban wrote:
Would like to respond to what according to you is my good and bad. Elaborate, please.In post 496, awesomeusername wrote: ..
Why_Mafia's case on alban seems fair. I still think alban's good outweighs his bad at the moment but I'd like to see him respond.
The bad is more an accumulation of little things. I don't like 158. For all your probing, you haven't really given many reads, which could be fence sitting. I sort of feel like you've been coasting a bit lately, just asking people for stuff without giving much. What it comes down to, I think, is that a lot of your posts are pro-town and helpful, but are the sort of thing that scum can do too. I'd like you to respond to all of Why_Mafia's case, though.
158 was a joke.
Reads will come in due time. I can't force myself to give out reads and neither can you. If you pressurise me, I will either ignore it or give incorrect reads, both of which are not helpful. So my suggestion for now is to let me be. Yes, I know it comes across as fence-sitting, but that's how it is. Why_Mafia is not getting a response out of me. For two reasons. I don't like the quality of their case on me. And my observation is that the posts I use as my defence are usually used as bait/misdirections by the scums. My silence could be scummy, but is useless for scums. The verbose me is very easy to implicate. This is just the way it is.
After writing this though, I think maybe there's no harm in giving out a reads list. Here goes. Word of caution: this is pretty impressionistic. I will fine tune or even do a complete overhaul once I re-read and form some solid opinions. Till then:
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There was a substantial overlap between his reads and mine.In post 796, awesomeusername wrote:@alban: Why are you sure he's town? And what are your thoughts on Carca?
His tone appeared the most natural.
His claim was obviously a joke.
Plus, a scum would confuse people, not clear them up, even as a joke. Even if they give tr on a few people, clearing 3 people at once, especially in the early D1 stage is less likely to be scum.
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ReasonsIn post 829, WhyMafia wrote:I'm still convinced Alban is scum-
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Does 'he' and 'him' in this sentence refer to me? Coz if it does, that's a blatant misrepresentation.In post 853, awesomeusername wrote:Oh, that kind of hedging - I remember him going after both slots, but it didn't really ping me at the time. I felt like he just had two scum reads, although Vedith was partially policy as well. I can definitely see how that's a problem.
@alban: Can you also give reasons for your townread on Carcalilly?
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Yes, I have sleepwalked much throughout the game. Which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who has played with me. Unfortunately, Io, Vedith and LUV are all out of the game, who could throw light on my playstyle.In post 852, Mulch wrote:Alban- explain to me why your ISO has a lack of scumhunting in it.
I'd also like you to explain more your almost ragequit. It's typically perceived as a town move but I've been seeing scum do it lately as well. What was going through your mind when you decided to leave and come back? Why were you prompted to make so much of a drastic decision?
I am not much of a player on D1 coz everything just seems random. But I have tried to change that. In fact, when the hammer was happening, I was reading the last 10 pages, and making a detailed cases on everyone. I can share it with everyone as a proof.
Anyway, so as I was saying, something happened, and I came on the last page where the idiots were voting for Vedith. Now, Vedith was probably the towniest player in the game. It was obvious he was fakeclaiming, but I don't think a scum would do that. To lynch such a towny player was the first reason for the rage.
The second reason was my RV was still on him, and maybe in the absence of that, Vedith wouldn't be lynched. I had voted for him out of spite in a previous game where he didn't support me as a fellow townie. And the game eventually went to the scum. And as I had mentioned in a previous post in this game, that my RVS usually stays until I find a suitable candidate to vote for D1. Which is what I was doing. I was most likely to vote for Awesome or Innocent. But the hammer happened during this. I thought I have 4 days, but the day ended prematurely.-
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In post 861, Mulch wrote:@Alban- I'm going to say right now I don't really think that "I sleepwalk through day 1" will cut is in terms of you having little motiviation to sort, because it sort of appears like you are TRYING to sort day 1 but just more floating while also trying to give the appearance that you aren't. Do you understand what I'm saying?
I understand your answer to the question regarding the ragequit, but I want to know why you were SO posesses to do it based on that. Do you usually get this angry in games?"...appears like you are TRYING to sort...but just more floating..."
yeah, and that's what happens when you go against your playstyle. I must also mention that coasting through d1 costed me dearly as a town in my last game, which is why I decided to be more proactive in this game. It will take time to settle in. If you look carefully at d1, I was being quite proactive in the beginning, but then two things happened: Carcalilly held me to ransom regarding my self-meta and other points. Which was a shame really, coz I thought I am establishing my credentials and giving others a chance to examine my game more closely and carefully. The second thing that happened was vedith's claim which kinda uprooted any logical discussion that was happening, and instead took the game in a different direction. 4-5 pages were spent on discussing the validity of the claim, and it was so obvious to me that he fakeclaimed that I kinda lost interest.
I don't agree with Llama that Vedith was a good PL. PL are generally bad coz they are directed at town more often than not, and secondly, obviously Vedith had a plan as outlined by him by describing Carca's behaviour post the claim. I think lynching him was stupid, and anyone justifying that lynch is just high on ego not ready to accept that they made a mistake.
Yes, I am prone to outbursts, especially as a town. I have a very righteous attitude as a town, and that becomes a liability either when defending myself or defending my tr's coz my attitude becomes 'why the hell can't you see things for what they are' rather than understanding that only I know who I am or only I have access to my thoughts.-
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Already answered.In post 893, Mulch wrote:Alban I hear you loud and clear about your playstyle. Trust me, I've been there (i barely try day 1 either at least half the games). But my problem isn't really the fact you aren't trying but more the fact you seemed to try to appear like you were solving, but in fact you really weren't. Do you get what I'm saying?-
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1. It was a weekend.In post 895, Mulch wrote:
That's actually a really good point and something I didn't even consider when I was scumreading Alban before.In post 866, WhyMafia wrote:@Alban that's why there's something called UNVOTE
If you were so angry that Vedith was obvious town you should've unvoted and pushed for someone else's lynch. I don't buy you, not one bit. Sure, you were formulating cases against everyone, but you just needed one person that you believed to be scum. The fact that the voting was progressing that quickly should've alarmed you. And you hardly did anything early game to be warranted any form of town cred. And before I get called out for giving shade, I already explained his early game posts. His current posts are doing nothing to convince me otherwise. In hindsight, yes lynching him was a mistake. I'll admit that.
2. There were 4 more days to go till the deadline.
3. I was absent.
4. When I came online I went to pages 20-25 to see if I get a lead.
5. I was so sure that Vedith is a town that I didn't think he would be lynched.
6. I was the first one to vote. It was an RV.
7. You should be looking at people who interrogated Vedith but didn't vote for him. If he was indeed a sensor, that's the group who wold be keeping away.
8. I was Vedith's top townread.
9. Carca was onto me throughout D1. It could be perceived as svs, but read the exchange. It was obvious that they were trying to frame me.
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Interaction between WHyMafia and Mulch on page 37 reads fake.
There's super mild questioning, and subtle towncreds handed over to each other from a past game. WhyMafia handled the questions terribly imo. Everything was either a feeling or a belief or tone. There was nothing substantial to their tr-ing or sr-ing someone.-
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You have already eaten it once with Vedith. How many chances are you gonna get?In post 935, WhyMafia wrote:If Alban doesn't flip scum I'll eat my imaginary hat-
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Then why am I sread for my D1 self-meta?In post 943, Mulch wrote:Self meta is towny, not scummy.
Scum have a HARD time explaining to people through their perceived meta why they are not scum. That's just a fact.-
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In post 957, Mulch wrote:On the other hand I like your response lmao and your reasons for scumreading me are valid.
VOTE: Alban
Who was it you sheeped on D1, WhyMafia?In post 960, WhyMafia wrote:And yeah, me likes Scorpius a bit more now
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when in doubt, push alban!
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How is he an obvtown?In post 968, Mulch wrote:Steel, I can see the points Llama is making coming from town as well as experienced scum. It's natural to be skeptical of some of the IO stuff, and I think there's a decent chance Llama is just being idiotic. I don't understand the Alban stuff, he hasn't been trying to sort at all and his posts today are extremely scummy, AND he's voting Whymafia for a crappy reason (and who is obvious town).-
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So, my vote on WhyMafia is crappy, but your vote on me, then on Llama, then on me again, and now on Awesome, is fantastic? You are voting everyone who disagrees with you or votes you.
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Posts like these is why you are scummy.In post 987, WhyMafia wrote:Nah don't worry, I'm convinced llama is town
@llama don't worry either, your case has been noted. At the current standing in the game, I think I would rather keep mulch alive. Obviously will re-evaluate every day phase. For now, I'm still shakily believing mulch to be town, as well as you.
On looking at Awesome's posts, they're scummy af. However, my gut is screaming town :-:
Like contradictions don't equate to scum (although they mostly do) and the way his thoughts are scrambled, I see a resemblance to my early days in mafia
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I have already answered it before, but one last time.In post 998, Scorpious wrote:Just re-reading d1.
Alban, what was the purpose of 214?
Could you also explain to me why you go from not reading carcalilly as scum in 281,and promising reads,and not saying anything again until 281,then 390 where you are actually probing for reads and reasons.
It's not actually until 2 rl days later did you actually provide your reads.
Do you think a scum would gain any advantage to having extra time to get a feel for how others are reading the game?
I get tired of D1. In order to speed up things, and make it less random, I thought it helps being completely honest and transparent about your play style. An independent vouching for that self-assessment can come from players who have played with you before. There were 3 players I had played with before, who were present in the game at that time: Io, Vedith and LUV. In the absence of anything else, I thought it was a good move to take the game fwd. In the end, no one really talked about their own meta, and that direction wasn't taken.
Nothing much was happening in the game for me to base my reads on. Plus, I am super busy irl and didn't get around to the reads. By that time, Vedith had already claimed to be a sensor, and all hell broke loose. I kinda lost motivation.-
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What a manipulative asshole. All you did from start of d2 till now is bitch about me with Mulch. Which is why I am talking about you point by point. And no, I am defending. It's called demolishing the strawmen you have created.In post 1038, WhyMafia wrote:
^In post 1034, Steel wrote:Again I can somewhat verify alban's description of his play as sleepwalking, in fact as scum he seems more active and involved than town.
Alban it might be better to stop putting all your effort in defending your d1 actions and speak to the future. What are your reads now and what do you see as the way to go forward? I take it you believe whymafia is pushing you in bad faith with your vote on him?
I mean to a certain extent, I understand not posting much D1. However, he has spent the whole day 2 just defending himself or OMGUS'ing. And I don't buy his explanation regarding Vedith-
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