Also, I'm in Venice Florida, so I'm about 8 hours from direct Irma hit, so...y'know, maybe don't expect much from me in the next 48 hours?
I already V/LAed with the mod, but just so you guys know also.
You mean like you did?In post 32, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Ah. It's because the team is WhyMafia, Mulch, and someone who's gonna bus WhyMafia upon entrance.
By saying this, are you claiming Robbnva's slot as town?In post 82, Mulch wrote:I hate to say it but I think that in all likelihood a chance of a town win just went up lol
People who actually vote randomly in RVS don't understand RVS.In post 105, Toranaga wrote:Randomly voting people at d1 SOD. I know what it means, IDK what it stands for. I ate a word there.
and yeah I agree this is very worrying. I'd be scumreading me too I guess...
Considering my current reads, this tells me to consider lynching Mulch, BBT, or Fykus.In post 125, Virtuoso wrote:
Because...town never react like that?In post 143, WhyMafia wrote:This doesn't seem natural. It makes me think of "WTF I'm caught for BS reasons"
With my current reads this one makes me want to lynch...no one, which is frustrating because I really like my current reads.In post 150, Virtuoso wrote:
I feel better about my reads from that last wagon discussed in my last post now.In post 154, skitter30 wrote:You seem rather concerned about defending yourself and trying to undermine people's reads on you, and don't seem that interested in looking for scum.
VOTE: Havo
L-1.
I have to say, Havo is owning this defense.In post 160, Havo wrote:"I seem rather concerned about defending my self"
BECAUSE I WAS BEING ACCUSED OF NOT DEFENDING MYSELF!!
I don't like the MariaR slot much, and don't like the way this shift happened, but agree the Skitter slot looks bad.In post 181, MariaR wrote:I never said he wasn't I was just picking a wagon I thought I could get going.In post 173, Fykus wrote:How is chip a wagon jumper but skitter (the one that put havo at l-1is not?In post 164, MariaR wrote:Hello? Why do we have Havo at L-1 7 pages in when there clearly softing PR. Get off this wagon the fact it picked up so fast with no counter wagon is red flags all over.
If you think Havo is scum we can come back later. Let's vote the band wagon jumper.
VOTE: Chip
VOTE: skitter
But since you're helping
VOTE: Skitter
As a defense for the fast read people.In post 183, Havo wrote:My tone is probably coming off horrible because it's Sarcasm. I honest to God can't believe how people are spitting out reads, serious reads, 18 hours into the game. If anyone wants to post reads fine, have at it, but don't accuse me of being scum just because I haven't posted a facking read list by hour 36.
And the claim's not bullshit.
Do you scumread Havo for any substantive reasoning *besides* his claim?In post 189, Mulch wrote:That's not why I scumread you, and the claim is bullshit 101. You heavily softed power role, I want you to claim. Now.
Yet, somehow I think it will work regardless.In post 332, MariaR wrote:I don't you should call it a test if you wanna test me
I bolded part of this - could you rephrase it? Maybe I'm being dense but I actually have no idea what you're saying.In post 332, MariaR wrote:I voted chip cause he voted me if stood outplus skit was the Robb spot so I didn't want to at first but if I can get a wagon going by all means
This kind of curls my toes - why are you voting a town read?In post 334, MariaR wrote:Chip voted me and it stood out so me being bias felt the want to vote back a bit if I could start a counter wagon
Didn't want to vote Robb slot because the tone felt like town Robb and so did the mod question.
It's the only reason id unvote skit
In post 337, Sergtacos wrote:PR slip?In post 157, Havo wrote:L - 1.
This is where I'd normally say go ahead and lynch me, cause town could do worse.
But this time town could literally NOT do worse.
Lynching me is the worst thing town could do.
If it was strong enough to not want to vote him, why would someone else voting him no longer make it strong enough to not want to vote him?In post 341, MariaR wrote:It wasn't a strong townread, Nothing was that early in the game for me.
Statistically any given mafia fakeclaim in a non-Open has a good chance of not generating a direct counter claim.In post 360, Chip Butty wrote:Uh, ever heard of counter claims? If nobody cc-ed then yeah i would remove my vote.
Let me try this;In post 363, Chip Butty wrote:Let me try that again...In post 357, Sergtacos wrote:I mean, I don't want anyone to actually soft claim or hard claim in D1 because we need help from the power roles and we can't really have an advantage against the mafia if our power role players die.
What you are not understanding but which i have already pointed put is that town.havo hal already made himself a prime NK target by softing he is the strongest town PR.
Both this statement and Mulch's are actually both true and false, and are a playstyle preference that both of you are acting like is a scumtell for the other.In post 368, Havo wrote:Longer deadlines = more discussion which only benefits town.
I look forward to this, I would find both wagons more useful than the Havo meaningless side quest we went on.In post 372, Chip Butty wrote:I need to look with fresh eyes later, but open in principle to lynching either. Will return to this later.
You were the one who outed.In post 376, Havo wrote:This explains Mulch continuing to push me.
Outing the town Cop is worth it for scum on Day 1.
Congrats Scum.
The vague soft claim should have been assessed on whether he was playing pro town or scum - not as an inherent reason to force a claim in a vacuum.In post 381, Chip Butty wrote:This is fine from a Havo is town perspective, but from a Havo is scum perspective the point was to deny him the shelter of a vague false claim.
I didn't take a hard Havo is town (though I did think he was town, and frankly think both you and Mulch could have read him as such if you weren't being blind/being scum).In post 383, Chip Butty wrote:@Thor: Incidentally, why did you take that hard Havo is town perspective there? Did you hardread him as town?
What's your take on Skitter and MariahR?In post 388, Toranaga wrote:no idea who the wolves are but it's not havo
You keep calling it anti-town.In post 413, Havo wrote:My message here is if your a Town Player, then don't do Anti-Town shit at ALL. It only causes confusion. And that only helps Scum. This is how town loses games.
I canliterally think of multiple reasons for it.\In post 441, humaneatingmonkey wrote:"If you want people out of this wagon, you should begin to explain why a Loyal Town Cop is a perfect fit with a Miller. If you even make the slightest sense, I'll reconsider."
@Havo
My issue here is this; He WAS being unfairly attacked, and BOTH town and scum are likely to respond negatively to that.In post 447, Mulch wrote:The fact he kept highlighting the fact he was being pressed unfairly. It felt/feels like complaining, annoyed scum. Which I explained. Please read better so I don't have to answer thinsgs like this.
The claim is bad.In post 447, Mulch wrote:And then the bad claim happened. You ALWAYS push for the claim in this situation. You don't let scum escape with this and get out of a wagon without even claiming their role.
How is Mulch scummy exactly?In post 534, Sergtacos wrote:Alright, on to looking for another scum, however my vote is parked on Mulch until I find a scummier person than him.
That's weak if you can't describe it in one sentence you're wasting everyone's time.In post 539, Sergtacos wrote:Read his ISO and my case on him?
I had Robb on my lean town list until Skitter replaced in, yeah skitter looked scummy but I still need more posts from him to analyze. Skitter is on my lean scum list while Mulch and Chip is on my strong scum list.
I addressed your odd tunnel of believing this - why aren't you addressing me on my thoughts?In post 561, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Tornaga, if you read what he paraphrased the utility of his role, it doesn't make sense with the miller claim. The miller returns as a mafia, while the loyal cop only tells who doesn't belong to the alignment. The miller belongs to this alignment anyway, so normal cop would have been more than okay. I don't think the setup would have been approved otherwise but I'm in no authority to say that. Just that it's not logical.
The Skitter case is the post Mulch pointed out paired with the wagon on Havo being filled with and on slots I otherwise townread more. Seriously, you think 0 scum voted in that one? *especially* if Havo is town but even if he's scum? Nah.In post 586, Chip Butty wrote:Okay, have read through the new stuff.
@Thor: you are pushing a skitter lynch quite hard. Could you please summarise the case against him, as you see it?
That Chip otherwise looks townish even if he's pushing bad logic, also he doubled down on the bad logic while you sat back and let other people push the agenda while keeping your hands clean.In post 591, skitter30 wrote:@Thor/Mulch:
What's the difference between 154 and this:
In post 278, Chip Butty wrote:See, the thing for me isn't just the lack of reads, it's that you don't seem to be interested at all in asking people questions about their posts or scumhunting in general. Your focus seems to be entirely on the votes on you and how unfair it all is, and that seems scummy to me. After 250+ votes, are you really saying you've seen nothing worth following up on?
Your Skitter read is out of nowhere and I strongly disagree. After watching your weak case on Misere I am almost scared to ask but...what was in Skitter's posts that looked town to you?In post 600, Toranaga wrote:pro town move my ASS!
ehhh I kinda like skitter too lol
can we just lynch misere please
@ChipIn post 626, Thor665 wrote:The Skitter case is the post Mulch pointed out paired with the wagon on Havo being filled with and on slots I otherwise townread more. Seriously, you think 0 scum voted in that one? *especially* if Havo is town but even if he's scum? Nah.
What's so thin about it?In post 631, Chip Butty wrote:Yeah, it seems a bit thin. I don't think #154 was all that bad, since i was thinking the same thing. As for the Hava bw thing i think I'll delay judgement and see if he makes it through the night. Besides, i liked my interaction with Skitter recently, even when she was voting me. It kind of felt honest. Not buying, at this point in time.In post 630, Thor665 wrote:@ChipIn post 626, Thor665 wrote:The Skitter case is the post Mulch pointed out paired with the wagon on Havo being filled with and on slots I otherwise townread more. Seriously, you think 0 scum voted in that one? *especially* if Havo is town but even if he's scum? Nah.
You and I look at that post and see opposite things.In post 636, Sergtacos wrote:Thor, to answer why I think Rob is lean town, this is one good post. It indicates that Rob was investigating into Mulch's game to see some meta, even though Rob believes that meta is garbage it still can be at use. I have been in a few games on this site and I think I have seen one or two games where someone posted their old games and someone would comment on that and investigate on it, and turned out town. I don't think the scums would investigate because it would be a waste of time? Just based on what I have seen, towns investigate old games.
He calls Mulch's meta case garbage (without understanding it or doing any research).In post 636, Sergtacos wrote:Rob doesn't want to base meta for his reads because they can throw people off. However the last sentence gave me a feeling that he might try and see some points of a strong argument that involves meta, however Mulch's argument with meta was weak to Rob because he said that mulch only seen whymafia one game, however Mulch said there's more? thats not the point anyway, he doesn't want to rely on meta, and if its meta, it better be a damn good connection.
@humaneatingmonkeyIn post 626, Thor665 wrote:I addressed your odd tunnel of believing this - why aren't you addressing me on my thoughts?In post 561, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Tornaga, if you read what he paraphrased the utility of his role, it doesn't make sense with the miller claim. The miller returns as a mafia, while the loyal cop only tells who doesn't belong to the alignment. The miller belongs to this alignment anyway, so normal cop would have been more than okay. I don't think the setup would have been approved otherwise but I'm in no authority to say that. Just that it's not logical.
Your thoughts aren't particularly logical, yet you keep acting like they are so why not at least counter my thoughts instead of ignoring them?
Not really.
For any specific reason(s)?In post 651, WhyMafia wrote:I oppose a skitter lynch
That is an impressive amount of defense to me saying I don't scumread him after you asked me why I didn't scumread him yet scumread you.In post 653, skitter30 wrote:@Thor:
I like Chip more after talking with him last night, specifically because of 612. I disagree with his many of his reads, but I understand where he's coming from when making them. I also don't think scum would admit to scumreading someone literally because they found them annoying lol.In post 626, Thor665 wrote:That Chip otherwise looks townish even if he's pushing bad logic, also he doubled down on the bad logic while you sat back and let other people push the agenda while keeping your hands clean.
I think my earlier dislike of him came from a fundamental difference in how we treat early-game PR softs/claims. I strongly believe that a claimed PR should never be the lynch day 1; if they don't get themselves killed, we can usually figure out if they're lying with a couple of days of results. On my homesite, pushing for the lynch of a claimed PR early game is a fairly reliable scumtell, but I think site meta is different here.
Since I literally brought that up in the post you're quoting, and did so specifically as regards the push on Havo - let's go with the wild and crazy notion that I think you did it in the push on Havo.In post 653, skitter30 wrote:Where/how did I let other push agenda while keeping my hands clean?
Doesn't stop it from being true just because you think it sounds ugly.In post 664, Mulch wrote:This is atrociousIn post 626, Thor665 wrote:The Skitter case is the post Mulch pointed out paired with the wagon on Havo being filled with and on slots I otherwise townread more. Seriously, you think 0 scum voted in that one? *especially* if Havo is town but even if he's scum? Nah.
I mean what I said - Skitter supported the wagon but didn't do any pushing of it.In post 665, Mulch wrote:What do you mean by this?In post 626, Thor665 wrote:also he doubled down on the bad logic while you sat back and let other people push the agenda while keeping your hands clean.
I bolded the part you're "disagreeing" with me on and would note that I agree with it.In post 668, Mulch wrote:That's just false. The only reason your slightly correct in this is because on aIn post 666, Thor665 wrote:Doesn't stop it from being true just because you think it sounds ugly.
It holds true in basically every game, every lynch, ever. The bell curve has scum on wagons.in a six person sample in generalIthinkdue to probability there is likely one scum?But the fact it was "easy" or on Havo or early or w/e has nothing to do with this.
In post 669, Mulch wrote:No, it dosen't. Skitter pushed it to L-1, taking all of the heat and responsbility for taking one of the biggest steps to the lynch.
So...you didn't have an opinion on him being town/scum but made a joke based on his alignment 'just because'?In post 670, Mulch wrote:It was simply because there is a high chance he was a villager, mate. Based on the fact that there are more town than scum...
VCA is scummy now?In post 673, Mulch wrote:The issue is that your trying to say their had to be scum on Havo's wagon, which is bad. It's pinging me in the sense that your trying to overjustify it instead of just saying, here let's take a random 6 players and someone has to be in it, your trying to make it seem like there have to be scum in the Havo wagon in particular, which is just false and slightly scummy
Are you kidding me?In post 674, Mulch wrote:Robb was already getting into his tunnely mode, it was a harmless joke, stop pressing on this or your getting into scummy territory.
I'd support a MariaR wagon happily though fail to buy your theory clear in any way.In post 677, Mulch wrote:If nobody wants to do a Serge wagon, I can do a Maria wagon as a good second option. I also think a Maria scum flip would psuedo confirm Skittles as town
The one where you think Maria is unlikely to be bussing/distancing.
I'm pushing you right now.In post 683, Mulch wrote:LMAO I don't even know why I'm even humoring you with a "defense."In post 678, Thor665 wrote:That's an utter BS defense and logic - naw, I think I'll keep that as an issue with you forever now,
Your fine until you try to push on me with it, then we have a problem
Slips absolutely exist.
How many examples of this do I need to show to have you admit that you don't know how the game works?In post 686, Mulch wrote:Scum don't leave votes on their partners and forget about it for days and just passively sit there waiting for them to be lynched lmao
Yes, I actually do exactly that.In post 686, Mulch wrote:BTW please don't tell me you tried to do VCA without any flips
viewtopic.php?p=7729088#p7729088
Don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs boy.In post 690, Mulch wrote:Ok so you just don't know how mafia works, not my problem.
Why is it so important for you to desperately manage to suggest that I'm wrong on my reads?In post 694, Mulch wrote:Perspective slips and flipless VCA yup that's brilliant
Get some more votes on there and I will join you, but at the moment I'm on a rather large wagon and Skitter is riding quiet.In post 695, Mulch wrote:Let's do Maria. I don't want Skitter today
Did you try to get Havo lynched? y/n - I answer this as 'yes'In post 715, skitter30 wrote:I want to know why you're characterizing my push on Havo as 'pushing the agenda while keeping my hands clean', since no, you didn't explain that in that post. I literally voted him to L-1. How is that 'keeping my hands clean?'
In post 671, Thor665 wrote:I didn't notice anyone besides me taking issue with the L-1, but maybe I missed all the attention he got.
Maria voted Chip.
If I was calling the two of you a scumteam, I would agree.In post 715, skitter30 wrote:I'm also going to point out that you're pushing me while simultaneously pushing Mulch for possibly having a perspective slip by indicating that my slot is town. These two pushes don't exactly make much sense together.
You'd be lying and we'd lynch you - what of it?In post 724, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Nope, I said what I would do in the post before.
Imagine the scenes if I said I haven't read a single post in this game.
So your non-play plan is just for Day 1?In post 732, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:No, of course not. Unless you want to lynch town? Is that your win-con?
I've been struggling with Day 1s as of late and want to try something different. Also, Day 1s tend to last so much longer than they really need to - I'm hoping that by always joining the leading wagon we can have D1 over before the 40 page mark.
It's actually why I think he's town.In post 748, Havo wrote:Still trying to create doubt and throwing shade at me, I get the feeling he REALLY wanted my lynch to go thru.
That's an interesting take, and I see where you're coming from, but if you take that as scummy wouldn't Skitter still be the more suspect pusher?In post 751, Havo wrote:I Agree if he'd been the only one pushing hard, since Monkey and Mulch were pushing harder They were in the forefront, I see it as him taking advantage of that less in the spotlight position to try and push it through. Then he could always say, hey, I wansn't pushing nearly as hard as Mulch.
No, you investigate waste of space slots.In post 753, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Investigating me is a waste.
Firstly - a case of 'not scumhunting' is one I'll have to agree to disagree with Havo on as far as its quality.In post 768, skitter30 wrote:Yes, I did, to the point that Havo himself says that my argument, at L-1, was the first 'decent accusation' against him (156).
Maria tried to avoid voting you for odd reasons - true or false? Because the answer is true as far as i can see.In post 768, skitter30 wrote:Maria voted me in 181, which, oddly enough, is why I linked that post. You're arguing that I opportunistically hopped on his wagon and hoped that other people would get called out for wagoning him. By putting him at L-1, I knew I would be taking the flak if I was wrong about him, which I was, and I immediately got wagoned for it. That's literally the opposite of 'keeping my hands clean'.
You are claiming I'm tunneled and are using as evidence for it that my "other" pushes aren't making sense.In post 768, skitter30 wrote:I'm pointing out that you *are* ridiculously tunneled on me, to the point that some of your other pushes don't even make sense with your push on me.
@MulchIn post 721, Thor665 wrote:Why is it so important for you to desperately manage to suggest that I'm wrong on my reads?
If you're scum scared of me being accurate about you and maybe one additional buddy I totally get it.
But what's the point of being a whiny girl-childe about my reads if you're town?
So you think my playstyle is bad but my reads are fine?In post 772, Mulch wrote:Bolded is false so no point in answering the question.In post 771, Thor665 wrote:@MulchIn post 721, Thor665 wrote:Why is it so important for you to desperately manage to suggest that I'm wrong on my reads?
If you're scum scared of me being accurate about youand maybe one additional buddy I totally get it.
But what's the point of being a whiny girl-childe about my reads if you're town?
If you mean your theory on how to play mafia, yeah your bad.
I agree that you being scared of that doesn't make sense - but it makes more sense than just attacking my reads for no reason at all.In post 772, Mulch wrote:What are you referring to in your underline. You've never said you scumread me except for the "perspective" slip. Why would I be scared if I'm scum of your reads if your not scumreading me?
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=72267In post 774, Mulch wrote:I wonder if Maria and Thor could be scum partners. Paranoia theory but thor says they "scumread" both Maria and Skitter yet only pushes Skitter even when Maria has a bigger wagon. And then if Maria flips scum they can be like "oh, I scumread them."
Thor can you link a recent scum game?
That is not bullshit, you man-child.In post 773, Mulch wrote:This is such bullshit, Skitter pushed the harder than anyone by putting them at L-1. Your tunnel of them is starting to turn scummy and they've refuted your arguements wellIn post 770, Thor665 wrote:Secondly - no, you still didn't push him hard.
You started the insult and the rampage of 'lawl y'don't know how to play!' so...fine? If you don't like insults don't start with insults.In post 778, Mulch wrote:I've been having problems getting emotionally invested in games so if your going to be insulting I'm not going to respond
And the read on you, which you claim me scumreading you deserves you to scumread me - as though that's a conversation.In post 780, Mulch wrote:I'm not attacking your reads lmao except your dumb Skitter one
If I could describe any way it differed that could be reasonable and reliably spotted then I would change my scum game so that it would be impossible to spot the difference.In post 781, Mulch wrote:How would you say your town game differs from your scumgame?
This is where I'm still at with you.In post 771, Thor665 wrote:@MulchIn post 721, Thor665 wrote:Why is it so important for you to desperately manage to suggest that I'm wrong on my reads?
If you're scum scared of me being accurate about you and maybe one additional buddy I totally get it.
But what's the point of being a whiny girl-childe about my reads if you're town?
That's you describing your case on him, not disabusing mine.In post 867, Mulch wrote:672In post 850, Thor665 wrote: And you actually haven't described how my read on Skitter is bad
Hopefully no one ever does. That's the point, isn't it?In post 870, Mulch wrote:So thor, how do we catch you if your scum if you don't act any different?
Vote tags are new age and fill me with fear.In post 904, Virtuoso wrote:VC posted. If everyone can use the vote tag that will make it so much easier for me to see your vote. If I missed any votes, please let me know.
I don't think you know what WIFOM is.In post 911, Sergtacos wrote:This actually didn't help... made me feel like this is a WIFOM.In post 908, Thor665 wrote:@Mulch
Forgot about this, it will probably help;
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... arently.29
Seconded.In post 918, Mulch wrote:Maria or Miseré wagon>Fykus
Do you like the Misere wagon?In post 932, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Misere
Seems I don't have a choice since I don't sr the other wagon.
That scum team would absolutely shock me.In post 949, Chip Butty wrote:I gotta say, Tora-MariaR-Havo wouldn't shock me.
BBT is being more enigmatic than I like.
Thor is emitting huge amounts of wind, without saying anything incisive or particurarly useful.
I started the raised issues with both Skitter and Maria.In post 953, Chip Butty wrote:@Thor: It would probably be more useful to Town if you were to summarise the top 3 most useful / original / incisive things you have posted.
Literally that conversation only exists with Mulch, and I submit that he was the one who started it by suggesting I didn't know how to empty a boot of water with instructions written on the heel.In post 954, Chip Butty wrote:@Thor: A lot of your output just seems to be pissing contests over who has the maddest mafia skillz.
This is a strawman of his stated position.In post 957, Chip Butty wrote:So, your POV is to Townread the big posters and attack the low-volume guys? That was pretty much my point.
I actually listed 3, since I listed three names and three positions.
Yeah, Mulch also usually posts 7 shorts posts with 7 quotes and I post one long one with 7 quotes, so...In post 958, Chip Butty wrote:I don't think it matters who fired the first shot between you and Mulch. To be fair, it takes two, but Mulch has 196 posts to your 50, so he's had plenty of time to fit a lot other stuff in too.
And that effects my town/scum chances how exactly?In post 958, Chip Butty wrote:Your penchant for contesting every little point to the bitter end makes me think you are Donald Trump irl.
I don't think you could get much traction on either Mulch or Monkey, but BBT looks perfectly ripe - why not vote someone you think is scum rather than your current empty survival vote?In post 963, MariaR wrote:@Thor
If a monkey BBT or Mulch wagon became a thing I'd do backflips cheering.
In post 965, MariaR wrote:Cause BBT's wagon looked almost as easy as mine. It's my only worry with voting him.
I think it would be an outright statement, as I've not been asked yet.In post 974, WhyMafia wrote:Can you remind me why you scum read her?
No, actually, it is nothing like that.In post 985, Mulch wrote:This is the equivalent of vca with no flips. Let alone with flips (and I hate it then too)
You are not.In post 996, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I got prodded.
Am I still on the leading wagon? Fykus looks tempting
Just did it for WhyMafia last page.In post 1013, Fykus wrote:Explain the case on mariar for me
Just so long as you take the blame for your own playIn post 1058, Chip Butty wrote:And I'm not taking blame for Havo's play. Even his hardclaim came way before intent. None of that was necessary. He played like scum and paid the price.
So bottle the mock outrage, huh?
For that to happen scum would need a strongman or balls of steel.In post 1074, Mulch wrote:I really hope I wasn’t roleblocked last night
Literally don't care enough about your ego to have this debate until post game.In post 1076, Chip Butty wrote:If it was a decent soft combined with townlike play, okay. But it wasn't. It was 'HEY, LOOK AT ME! I'M SOFTING!!!'In post 1070, Thor665 wrote:Why is in not possible for both Havo to have played poorly. and people insisting on a claim after a soft to have played badly all as one combined bad jelly sandwich?
In other news, I'm okay with the Misere wagon, but why push on that over Skitter?
That makes her less scummy?
I agree that there is info there to be mined off a bad push.In post 1111, Chip Butty wrote:Yeah we pushed Havo to hardclaim, but he could have blown us off until he got ontent. He caved way to easily, which means we lost a chance to see who would have jumped on his wagon. It was horrible play by him. Why are you defending it?