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Scum don't know if there are millers in the game. If they claim miller they run the risk of being cced by another and instantly losing a member. Plus Whymafia isn't the type of scum player to do that
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Here are two scum games.In post 30, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What's your meta-analysis on him from what games, Mulch? Even if scum don't know if there are millers in the game, this can be a scum gambit that has been premeditated. I don't get a town-angle where you would trust that immediately. So you don't think a lynch of WhyMafia is beneficial?
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I have about 5 more town games. I know WhyMafia very very well, and he's much more cautious as scum and outgoing as town.
This isn't the type of thing WhyMafia does as a scum gambit, it just isn't. And it's a horrible idea to do it as well no matter who it is, let alone for WhyMafia who hates drawing attention to himself as scum. I'm trusting him and in fact I think this could be a very easy push for scum to do.
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I base an extreme number of my reads on meta, and people who think it's useless are ignorant idiots who like to learn mafia out of textbooks instead of experience.
I know WhyMafia and he's not the type to do this and none of the games are ongoing, and more importantly why the fuck do you think my meta analysis on him isn't genuine? And how the fuck am I supposed to, at this point in the game, express to you that it was supposed to be genuine beides literally explaining that I have about 7 games with him?
And more importantly than ANY of this, miller claims are usually town and in theory are a mafia benefitting role but in practice are a town benefiting role.
I mean, even now I'm having slight paranoia over it that I'm defending a scum but like it's very very unlikely he is scumAmrock#3784-
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Thanks. Are you pocketing me?In post 53, Toranaga wrote:Mulch, you're my favorite player already.Amrock#3784-
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I hate to say it but I think that in all likelihood a chance of a town win just went up lol
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Monkey isn't neccecarily town for taking an unpopular decision. I do that all the time as scum and Monkey's a proficient scum player and perfectly capable of doing this. When reading Monkey you should look to see if what they are saying makes sense and if you can follow their mindset.
On that note, I like the series from 95 to 98 as I can follow the thinking on both and more significantly it's great that Tort is thinking about whether would people be TMIing people town. It's a good mindset for early in the game.
99 is atrociously from Maria and I heavily dislike it. I can't being up any statistics but I feel like this post alone has a >rand chance to be scum- complaining about lack of reads? LAMIST isn't a hardfast thing- town can be LAMIST too- but it's heavily triggering me that they are complaining about reads. It shows that they are already focused on how they are to be perceived this early.
I have strong disagreement with the following quote and I think it's scum indicative too:
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This is just wrong. Engagement does not equal town and being suspicious is easily faked by scum players. Perhaps more important, though, is that this point in time he had been doing some bullshit questions on me that made absolute no sense and the fact you didn't take it into consideration is really worystome. And something else of note- I would expect more of good players and hold them to a higher standard in townreading and scumreading people and I know that you have a high skill level, which makes it bad that your townreading someone based on activity and confidence.
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I really like Skitter's question in 111 and it shows they are actually analyzing the WhyMafia situation.
is it weird that Chip's entrance literally mirrors Tort's reads in 112? I actually don't know if this is town or scum but it's something strange to note? I think it can rule out Chip/Tort w/w play unless it's some glorified scum plan and then shame on me.
The Havo read in 115 isbad. Unfortunately, I can see town doing this because there is a severe lack of understanding on this site about the difference between in the moment and volume scumreads, and while doing a volume read on page fucking six is laughable and horrendous, I can see where they are coming from. And, I like the Maria read as I had the same gut reaction to their complaining and I can follow them easily here.
116- Havo- makes a lot of sense to me! Although, something is bothering me about the tone. I don't know what, maybe i'll figure it out later.
123 is pure gut townyness, I just soulread this villager. It's a good mindset and more importantly I fucking agree, it's horrible for Tort to townread people based on having the same townreads in fact they should be suspicious that they are not trying to buddy. And speaking of buddying, Tort is doing that pretty blatantly- although town do that too. In other words, they are very charismatic and likeable.
Lol the detatcheness from BlueBlood in 130 and the obvious lack of awarness for how that's gonna seem to any rational human being is town.
137 and 138 from Havo reek of scum that are caught for the wrong reasons and bam and bam mindmeld from WhyMaf.
Ugh I really hate the phrase "anti town play" in 153 by Havo. I feel that this ~might~ be scum that needs something to latch onto so does anti town instead of scum. I'm not sure, though.
154 is straight horribleness from Skitter, another fucking volume read. Two people scumreading Havo on volume reads now is a crime, and the worst part is that this is such a commonly held misconception on mafiascum that I can't even scumread the people doing it.
Side rant/note: This is an example of reads that what I like to call "surface reads." If enough of these are compiled over time, this is heavily scum indicative.
How is this a decent accusation, what the fuck?In post 156, Havo wrote:Finally a decent accusation.
I can really relate to 163 by Havs. This post comes from town in general as well fwiw
164 I'm fucking done
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169 by Monkey it takes all of my fucking willpower not to scumread this shit with everything I have because I know that town can ask a shitton of useless questions but so help me God if he continues this for an extended period of time I will tunnel him to death.
Side rant: THis is another example of a volume read. If people are posting filler for too long, that's scum indicative.
I want Havo to fullclaim. That "it would be bad to lynch me" is scum 101 and I hate it. And it's coincidentally what I did as scum in Giga's game (for those that were with me then).
Havo, I am fully aware that you could be town who was thrust in this position. However, I think there is a decent chance of scum who was railroaded for the wrong reasons. I know I would HATE to be called that as town, beacuse it means the reasons are shit- which they are. But your tone is in defending is horrible and this claim is bullshit.Amrock#3784-
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Basically. I had a moment of revelation in a mafia universe game a little back where I had almost perfect reads while not overposting and it was all based onto some common principles: Can you see where they are coming from? If so, it's null to town depending. If not, it's scummy. The mindset is the way to read invididual posts.In post 177, WhyMafia wrote:Is the start of a new age of le mulch
And then, later in the game, there are volume reads: Always pointing out the obvious, lack of scumhunting, useless filler, etc.Amrock#3784-
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I might be doing the read on Blue wrong, but it's more of a soulread on the "can we get an L-1 post." IDK how to explain itIn post 179, WhyMafia wrote:this*
And only differences in my reads = move Toranga to lean town
Blue to null
Why is Tor town? They've had their moments but a lot of their stuff is pretty blatant buddying (something I might add that you are suceptible to in the past, and I should know) and some of their reads are bad, as in I can't follow what they are doing and seem fake.Amrock#3784-
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In post 183, Havo wrote:If anyone wants to post reads fine, have at it, but don't accuse me of being scum just because I haven't posted a facking read list by hour 36.
And the claim's not bullshit.
That's not why I scumread you, and the claim is bullshit 101. You heavily softed power role, I want you to claim. Now.Amrock#3784-
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What don't you understand for this is not why he's scummy?In post 196, MariaR wrote:Like I shouldn't have to tell the basic stuff of people read and get reads at there own pace you should already know that because it applies to oh I don't knowhalf of life?Amrock#3784-
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Why the fuck not?In post 202, MariaR wrote:I don't think a wagon magically shows up on scum 7 papges inAmrock#3784-
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They show up mafia to cop
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In post 210, MariaR wrote:-Havo has no counter wagon that means scum are okay with this wagon
-He's claimed PR if his buddies were gonna unvote it'd prob be now and make the "he's a pr argument" or something along those lines.
-A wagon on town is much more likely to stick then one on scum
-If almost everyone agrees on a wagon you're most likely wrong
This sentence basically sums up EXACTLY why towns on mafiascum are straight trash. "-If almost everyone agrees on a wagon you're most likely wrong" what the fuCK? This is what a town should STRIVE FOR. THis is the END GOAL. The fact that there is unity is GOOD. There are THREE scum here, and 12 town. That means a VAST MAJORITY of town are agreeing. And scum are very very likely to busy day 1. Even if there is a scum snuck in there, it means nothing.
Of COURSE they aren't going to make that arguement, no scum is shit enough to do that.
And no, wagons on scum are very very fluid day one and yes, stick.
These ideas are so wrong. So so wrongAmrock#3784-
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I'm quoting the parts I disagree with/want to know more on. Some of the other stuff is true or irrelevant.In post 213, MariaR wrote:When ever I post something in response it looks like you only quote the parts you can argue and not the ones you know are true.Amrock#3784-
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164 is a shit reason to unvote someone and it also seems like you have TMI. It's just bad. It's super hard for me to differentiate here because it's just so far out of my mind as something I would think from bad town and scum but it's just...bad. And I can't follow it.
Why were you worried about not having reads in 99Amrock#3784-
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This thing- why did you mention it?In post 99, MariaR wrote:I got nothing from these blur of 5 pages.Amrock#3784-
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The soft is bad because if he's scum it allows him flexibilityIn post 231, MariaR wrote:
Hmmm I don't really have an answer. I just did? I didn't really think when I typed it I just typed what I thought and my thought was "wow people have a lot of reads for basically nothing that looks very towny or scummy to me"In post 228, Mulch wrote:
This thing- why did you mention it?In post 99, MariaR wrote:I got nothing from these blur of 5 pages.
Pedit: What's bad about the soft? It can be scum faking yeah but it can also be town and I don't wanna risk itAmrock#3784-
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Depends if they did them before me or not, and it also depends on the specific circumstance.In post 239, MariaR wrote:Mulch would you say you tr people who have the same reads as you?Amrock#3784-
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Where?In post 264, Toranaga wrote:took out relevant parts of it so you misinterpret me betterAmrock#3784-
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The hardclaim or the tunnel?
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The hardclaim: Force you to claim so if your scum you can't switch up your claim later or avoid getting counterclaimed.In post 272, Havo wrote:
Either?In post 271, Mulch wrote:The hardclaim or the tunnel?
The tunnel: Dually put pressure on you and ~hopefully~ lynch scum if need beAmrock#3784-
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No, once you claim a very important power role and are not cced, most likely I will unvoteIn post 274, Havo wrote:So you're completely fine with outing me? No matter what role I could be?Amrock#3784-
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Ok. Explain your self then: what made you say he is 90% villager?In post 282, Toranaga wrote:
you basically responded to a strawman of my arguments for villa reading monkey. You may have misinterpreted it or I may have explained myself poorly, but your rebuttal doesn't refer to anything I explicitly said. I'm talking about things a player did that add to my villa of him, and you're responding to it as if I'm lock clearing the player for any of the specific reasons I did. 'but mafia can play like that!' is a tiresome response.In post 267, Mulch wrote:
Where?In post 264, Toranaga wrote:took out relevant parts of it so you misinterpret me better
also I'd prefer if you could go easier on the hard posting and tunneling of players, because your level of confidence is just annoying me right now.Amrock#3784-
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that's not even close to what maria said. and I agree with her that at least adds to havo's villa equity, and you shouldn't fake blindness to it because it looks bad on you.In post 269, Mulch wrote:People who think that scum can't be the first wagon are bad at this game
That is exactly what they said. They said the fact it was easy, first, and no counterwagon adds to village equity, which is wrong.Amrock#3784-
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First off, how do you know he's a villager?In post 286, Toranaga wrote:
that's hilarious, tell me more about your play being aids that pressures villagers to hardclaim.In post 281, Mulch wrote:This is what I did in Giga's game to a T lmao
As scum in Giga's game I literally coasted for 2 days off a "oh, I"m an important power role".Amrock#3784-
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noIn post 291, Toranaga wrote:you responded to everything with 'BUT SCUM DOES IT TOO'
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I am saying it's bad that you didn't take into account that none of what he was saying was actually good and that you were blanket reading him for being engaged and active and confident. You didn't even say one thing about his posts.Amrock#3784-
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It wasn't opportunitic at all, it was a good wagon. Fast is MORE INDICATIVE OF SCUM IN EARLY DAY 1In post 293, Toranaga wrote:
it was fast and looked opportunistic, don't be blind now.In post 285, Mulch wrote:In post 283, Toranaga wrote:
that's not even close to what maria said. and I agree with her that at least adds to havo's villa equity, and you shouldn't fake blindness to it because it looks bad on you.In post 269, Mulch wrote:People who think that scum can't be the first wagon are bad at this game
That is exactly what they said. They said the fact it was easy, first, and no counterwagon adds to village equity, which is wrong.
wtf is wrong with this game, this is basic theory, scum always bus early day 1 and then diffuse when a fast wagon grows, if anything it's NAI but no it's actually more scum indicativeAmrock#3784-
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Then clarify what you saidIn post 296, Toranaga wrote:'engagement does not equal town' not what I said.Amrock#3784-
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No, he pointed out shit points and asked useless questions, which you didn't even comment onIn post 296, Toranaga wrote:'blablabla he asked me questions I didn't like' not something I care about.Amrock#3784-
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No. not ALWAYS. But very likely on a fast day 1 wagon on scum they are going to jump on at some point or else it can be catastrophic for their late game chances. What this means is that fast wagons on day 1 can include scum and still be on scum or *gasp* NOT include scum and townIn post 300, Toranaga wrote:SCUM ALWAYS BUS EARLY D1 DATS BASIC THEORY
no that's just a horrible post you made. NOTHING scum does with regards to bussing, defending, interacting or whatever is 'basic theory'. you're talking about something that's 100% metagame and depends on who, when and where these people are playing the games, and what is the game being played. you're tripping all over yourself. stop.actually functioned for onceand lynched town.
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EBWOPIn post 302, Mulch wrote:
No. not ALWAYS. But very likely on a fast day 1 wagon on scum they are going to jump on at some point or else it can be catastrophic for their late game chances. What this means is that fast wagons on day 1 can include scum and still be on scum or *gasp* NOT include scum and townIn post 300, Toranaga wrote:SCUM ALWAYS BUS EARLY D1 DATS BASIC THEORY
no that's just a horrible post you made. NOTHING scum does with regards to bussing, defending, interacting or whatever is 'basic theory'. you're talking about something that's 100% metagame and depends on who, when and where these people are playing the games, and what is the game being played. you're tripping all over yourself. stop.actually functioned for onceand lynched scum.
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So, you did read them, and you didn't see anything wrong with them- you found them irrelevant?In post 307, Toranaga wrote:why would I? I'm reading into other things he did. you read into whatever you want, those are your reads. if I find stuff irrelevant, I won't care.Amrock#3784-
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