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In post 21, TwoInAMillion wrote:Since monkey and I are both town I might as well wagon with him.
VOTE: PsychoSavantIn post 26, TwoInAMillion wrote:Now that I think about it that's a blantant lie so more votes pls.In post 35, TwoInAMillion wrote:"More often" still implies more than twice.
These are the things I really didn't like.In post 52, TwoInAMillion wrote:I generally have shorter posts.
If anything this makes monkey look bad for acting like the open game has been over for awhile.
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First one pinged me the most cause he just casually wagons with reasoning him and Monkey are both town off what the two of them just asking and admitting they're town? How odd, it was also odd that Monkey didn't question that but questioned the wagon saying he didn't know if TIAM was town but didn't make too big a deal that TIAM acted like Monkey was Confirmed.
After that it felt like TIAM was pushing for Psycho even though it seemed like an honest mistake on TIAMs part but I understand the feeling of being defensive there. I just felt it odd way of reacting.
I don't remember the thing but Derpy responded before I posted this and TIAM claimed.
They're slight there's not much to go on I just got more town vibes than scummy vibes from them. I even stress Maybe in sky cause im uncertain.-
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Why?? You're filled with a lot of conviction for someone who shouldn't know much about negative alignments.
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You attacked, were proven mistaken. Then shaded. Then unvoted. I quoted you in order that happened.In post 86, TwoInAMillion wrote:I stopped pushing for psycho once I realized I had made a mistake. Here you attack me for pushing psycho, and then you attack me for unvoting psycho. Make up your mind.
I even explained that if anyone was scummy it was monkey because he knew the Open was over and withheld information to try and make me look bad.
Town are more self critical of their thought process because they don't want to mislynch. Here it looks like you're looking for a reason to mislynch me and didn't provide details on your thought process until pressed, and then your thought process doesn't look town.
I was providing thought process but you guys responded before I could get my thoughts out. I don't remember what I'm supposed to out in the box to signal that but it happened lol. Sorry I haven't played on site in like 6 plus months?-
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I am reading and from what I read he didn't lie? 2IAM was mistaken?? Apparently Monkey withheld information? I didn't see that part tho.In post 87, Apple Jack wrote:
I have a better question? why aren't you actually reading the game?In post 83, Hawk wrote:Why?? You're filled with a lot of conviction for someone who shouldn't know much about negative alignments.
I have explained why he is confirmed scum. He lied and backtracked. 2 things town don't do.-
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Meta diving and then defending his argument is scummy? Like his ISO is he felt like the entry post was bad. Metadived. Saw a trend in openings and then highlighted them and voted. What's scummy? I mean yeah it's aggressive but not scummy.. He hasn't said anything besides that so it reads town to me on first glance and I try not to flip my opinion back and forth rereading the same shit a million times. I can get wishywashy if I do that.In post 95, Apple Jack wrote:psycho isn't confirmed scum, but he is still really scummy. I honestly don't see how anyone can give him a town read.-
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In post 26, TwoInAMillion wrote:Now that I think about it that's a blantant lie so more votes pls.
The second post after the first before unvoting is what I meant by shade. Like you're saying he still looked scummy for what he said even tho he didn't lie and your initial was yeah that was a lie scum!In post 35, TwoInAMillion wrote:"More often" still implies more than twice.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your tone in 35 but it sounds like something you'd say if you still thought what someone did was scummy. Like "You lied" "Oh, you explained, well to me it sounded like you said more than that so still a lie"-
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I only disagree with the using meta is garbage. I get where you're coming from but I feel like you're making assumptions based off things you shouldn't know. How can his conclusions be wrong if we don't know 2IAM alignment this game?In post 100, Apple Jack wrote:
Yes. Using meta is garbage in general. His conclusions were wrong and didn’t really make sense plus people enter rvs different each game. Changing your entrance isn’t AI.In post 96, Hawk wrote:Meta diving and then defending his argument is scummy?
So he’s basically grasping at something to use which is very scummy
Grasping is scummy. Defending when pressured is not. He literally got called a liar page one.
I can agree it seems inorganic but he hasn't made any other posts since, so I remain to be unconvinced it's more scummy than town but maybe I'm missing something...
Psycho posted: Why did you decide to defend your metadived rather than retract and say the argument was weak? anything besides him lieing (making a mistake)-
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People being like but what's the reason. He gave 4 reasons here. I don't think he expected this to pan out the way it did.In post 19, PsykoSavant wrote:
I'm on break from school, I have nothing better to do with my time. I hate RVS so I went looking for data on something I found weird. For the shiggles.In post 16, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Also interested in how fast you found it important to metadive TIAM lmao
VOTE: PsykoSavant
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It's preview edit!! right? Or PE: Something like that.In post 110, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Psyko, do you think he was purposely lying there? Do you seem him now as someone you would like to lynch?
Hawk, just post what you need to post lmao that's what I do
Also that's not very towny lol if you had a thought process but then it changes based of something someone said before you got it out there it can be helpful to see your opinion before in writing and then your reaction after a post.
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I don't think theyre alignment reasons I don't think his metadive is alignment indicative, thus I don't see scummy motivation to defend your argument when pressured why not just be like I was just bored guys chill it probably means shit all?-
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Now I'm more uncertain than before.
I don't see why you would think he would be purposefully lying. Also I don't see arguments for why he was scummy I see arguments that he has a meta and was following it... which is fine... for like drawing information out but not AI to this game... like meta is only AI on completed games because it can be manipulated. It is a useful tool for drawing things out of people but you're focusing way less on that and more on the metaread itself....
I'll explore more when I get to take my lunch getting to work now.
Till then UNVOTE: Though I highly doubt that scum could have hammered you at L2 elegantly enough for us not to be suspicious of people voting you.-
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I do. You probably didn't understand the tone here. I think he's overreacting with the "A l2 vote deserves explanation" The game didn't seem to be moving that quickly so he wasn't in any danger.In post 203, Mulch wrote:
Don't you think he's scumIn post 117, Hawk wrote:Though I highly doubt that scum could have hammered you at L2 elegantly enough for us not to be suspicious of people voting you.
I'm confident probably one scum in 2iAM and Psycho I just am more inclined towards 2iAM. But I could be wrong.
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Why are you almost sure??In post 211, Mulch wrote:
RipIn post 209, Apple Jack wrote:What’s done is done bro. There is no turning back.
P.edit - your slot is scum. Confirmed. Sorry.
Let's give it a day to relax
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Did I miss a claim?? O_o why would he claim. Sorry I skimmed the yelling match.In post 215, Mulch wrote:
In normal games, vigilantes can't be scumIn post 214, Hawk wrote:
Why are you almost sure??In post 211, Mulch wrote:
RipIn post 209, Apple Jack wrote:What’s done is done bro. There is no turning back.
P.edit - your slot is scum. Confirmed. Sorry.
Let's give it a day to relax
I'm almost sure ur town so
Plus, I know derpy, and I know when he's town or scum
I noticed you didn't like my initial reads. Which ones bothered you? is it Sky? cause I'm starting to see where that makes sense.-
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That's fair. Sky probably should have just been a null not sure why I didn't even include nulls or leave him off the list. Hmmmmm...... perhaps......In post 241, Mulch wrote:In post 77, Hawk wrote:So just a quick read with leans from what I've seen.
I like. (slight townlean)
Monkey
Psycho
RB
and maybe Sky?
I don't like. (Scumlean)
Jodaxq
Derpy
Really don't like 2iAM
VOTE: 2iAM@Hawk
The reads I didn't like about these- sky was part of them, nothing towny so far at that point from him, and I think it's possible you are scum pushing on an easy mislynch of 2iam because he's consistently lynchbait as town.
Here's my thoughts.
Now that i've had more time to read and catch up i'm still just as lost as ever. Of course i'm coming off a long hiatus so that could be part of it. Something about jodax stuck to multiple people so far including two people i was town leaning so i can see my vote going there. Anyway, i don't particularly like derpys claim it felt very odd but
i guess he's a very emotional player so benefit of the doubt. Maybe we should look into profil then?
You should never vote a town pr claim d1, or at least i wouldn't. Knowledge is power and knowing that i feel uneasy by his doubt. Seriously, i don't like this.
end thoughts.
So I'm okay with Jodax or Profil at this juncture. 2iAM still pings me but I might have been reading the situation incorrectly as someone stated earlier.
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You think Mulch and Profi are scum team because mulch is attacking Jodax after Profi gets voted by Bujaber?In post 295, Mulch wrote:
I never voted profi. Are you lying?In post 293, TwoInAMillion wrote:profi's assumption of Mulch as town, and Mulch's quick vote of Jodax after profi was voted makes me think they could be a scumteam.-
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So you question Mulches logic rather than Bujabers logic to address his read on Jodax then vote Profi?In post 299, TwoInAMillion wrote:
Possibly.In post 298, Hawk wrote:
You think Mulch and Profi are scum team because mulch is attacking Jodax after Profi gets voted by Bujaber?In post 295, Mulch wrote:
I never voted profi. Are you lying?In post 293, TwoInAMillion wrote:profi's assumption of Mulch as town, and Mulch's quick vote of Jodax after profi was voted makes me think they could be a scumteam.-
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Like is this a policy lynch vote??In post 286, BuJaber wrote:So Mulch you agree with me that jodax and sky are scummy but you lump me with them. Typical.. I guess I'll just need to play more games on mafiascum so people know me.
Screw it.. don't vote uncontested PR claims. Town 101.
VOTE: profi
"I don't like Sky or Jodax, and Mulch agrees with me. I quoted one scum in Derpy and Mulch earlier. Let's vote Profil"
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Okay so I'm back. I haven't caught entirely up (need to review but i have read up to latest posts) yet but when I get the chance I'll do a full review and update my reads. But from a quick skim I can voice some quick thoughts.
1. I don't like Mulches claim. A few people pointed out it seems perfect which is reasonable but to be honest I'd rather this get sorted out at night.
2. I both hate and love a few things Profil has done. I believe he was the first to point out how horribly convienant Mulches claim was which to me is fine but I'm not sure why he said it. My gut initially said I think most of town shoupd feel this way. I'm not sure if that's AI but my initial gut is it's towny because that's what I thought when I first read the claim. Now what I hate was the random hey guys let's no lynch. That's weak, makes you seem weak, and you're taking weak stances meaning I now feel like you're just trying to blend in now. Shape up man. If you wanna draw attention to something fishy do so confidently don't back down right after that's just bleh... also that's my advice for both alignments btw.
3. Derpy I'm getting pretty strong townvibes from but I wish you wouldn't tunnel so hard and focus on other players even if they've said less, your tendency to focus in makes me second guess your intentions when you say things. Like was that malicious and trying to make that person seem scummy or was that just enthusiastic and passionate that you're right he's scum?
4. I'm still fairly confident there is probably one scum between TiAM and Psycho but I need to reread their latest stuff to get a better feel. At first glance I didn't like TIAMs post calling out Mulchs claim but him being unwilling to vote mulch feels like he's taking a both sides stance so if Mulch flips town he can be like "Damn don't act scummy" but also "I didn't want to lynch mulch d1. Wouldn't scum want to take an easy mislynch? Especially on a cop?"-
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It just feels like you've only talked about Mulch most of the game. I know you haven't entirely funneled. A little more on your Psycho read and your read on Profil would be nice.In post 467, Apple Jack wrote:
Im not focusing on mulch only. I’m currently voting profli. I see nothing townie from him. I’d also support a psycho lynch. That’s 3 people that I’m willing to lynch.In post 465, Hawk wrote:Derpy I'm getting pretty strong townvibes from but I wish you wouldn't tunnel so hard and focus on other players even if they've said less,-
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Well sticking to your conviction is one thing. Tunneling is another.In post 470, profii wrote:-Hawk, I guess the one thing we can say about Derpy is if he is fronting an aggressive tactic and doesn’t intend to shoot the cop after all, he is doing exactly what you are telling me to do and standing by his convictions. I’m probably picking Derpy as more towny than Mulch but I guess I hadn’t really figured that with the even night claim bit it’s going to be so easy for Mulch to say oh yeah I read that guy who already died as he has loads of time to think about which player to fake read
-Sky, I went back to review the part of your post that you highlighted in red - given than Psyko eventually did lay a lynch on TIAM I think it’s fair to say he did have a scum read so I’m not sure I entirely agree with what you are saying here. Therefore moving on to the BuJ bit, I can see why BuJ said what he did in post 73 but given that’s its day 1 I think BuJ is a bit naive to think someone caught scum on page 1
Saying I think this person is scum for reason. Then voting someone else or NO lynch is bad imo.
I think this person is scum but I don't know if I want to lynch him today. Vote this other person for reasons. Is good/ok imo.
This person is scum, reasons, this kill this and only this. maybe this... maybe this other... but nothing else. Is tunneled.
I just want more depth of a read or maybe some townreads from Derpy. Like I said getting townvibes but want more.
I've caught scum on d1 p1 before. It was great, they were new tho. lol.
Pedit: Not gonna lie that felt pretty town from Profil... I would think unless Mulch really is scum and Profil is his partner there is no reason why scum wouldn't just lay back and ignore that situation as much as possible.
I personally feel like not lynching mulch because I believe DH claim and if we lynch Mulch DH might be shooting a little less blind. I'm more willing to accidentally lose a cop here from a shot then to lynch a cop and get someone else shot along with a mafia nk.
PPedit: For the record. I don't believe Mulch, if DH wasn't shooting Mulch for sure I would be pretty inclined to lynch the crappy cop claim with no pressure on him. I mean it just feels awkward. If mulch wanted the claim to stop the shot from DH I think as town he would have waited till much closer to a lynch to claim rather than be like Derpy I'm a fucking cop don't shoot me with 7 days left and no one at l2-
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Statistics don't work that way profil. This is a social deduction game and I'm sure it is less than half in fact it's probably pretty close to x/y percentage where x is the average # of scum players in any given game and y is the average total number of players in any given game.
Pedit: No odds don't work that way...
Also that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Let's ignore the proclaimed action of a person who can directly eliminate a player and choose our lynch without considering this information. Changing DHs mind is reasonable if you believe both DH and Mulches claims.-
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I'll be perfectly honest if I believed your claim I would prefer Derpy to not shoot you. Why did you claim so early??In post 498, Mulch wrote:The point is, once derpy shoots me, lynch million and others who encouraged the shot
Oh and make derpy apologize
That’s all I ask
Did we ever determine mafia actually has daytalk? I thought someone said something about that earlier.
So you no longer believe Derpies claim as one shot vig? if you're voting him because he's the most pro-scum you're not helping town unless you don't believe his claim.-
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Did you claim early in these games because of anger not logic as well?In post 381, Mulch wrote:
This is the single handedly worst post of the game.In post 379, TwoInAMillion wrote:I don't buy Mulch's claim. No reason to claim this early in the game and claiming because of an argument with one player is really poor play. Also claiming cop could force a counterclaim and even night means he doesn't have to give results right away. Too convienient of a claim for me so I call BS.
You know why?
He’s SEEN me as town claim early and is trying to push me on it.
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I feel like this setup is odd....
Jodax, Psycho, and Buja all got really quiet recently but it's probably just time zone stuff.
I don't think early aggression is AI... this game started off very oddly. 2iAM and Psycho started us off then DH and Monkey continued it...
Pedit: Hyperbole, AtE, and lots of what I'm guessing are Rhetorical questions.
We've only discussed 2 power roles that's not that much power for town is it? so this right here sounds off to me...
"You don’t think town might need a lot of power?" Like what about an even night cop and a one shot vig screams "A lot"
Assumptions made based off of knowing more than they let on?
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I'm not saying they can't. I was saying your assumption that town needs a lot of power in your big post to Acryon made me ponder your word selection.In post 544, Mulch wrote:People are saying vig and cop can’t be in a setup together, they can cause town needs a lot of power with 3 scum.
With 2 scum we might be 2 of the 3 power roles or something
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You're sidestepping the aggressivness/monkey argument here...In post 546, acryon wrote:
Meta never proves or disproves anything. Anyone worth a mafia penny can manipulate an argument and find games/posts to support or refute a certain style of play as a certain alignment.In post 543, Mulch wrote:So why didn’t you mention you didn’t like our pushed when I originally asked you?
I asked why you scumread me you said monkeys aggressiveness and my claim
Now it’s my pushes too? And monkeys? And you still can’t explain why you thought monkeys aggressiveness was scummy even after asked twice?
And your ignoring meta that thoroughly disproves your entire procsss?
Your full of shit
The reason I am voting for you is because I don't believe your claim. The reason I don't believe your claim is because your play hasn't felt like town (read: gut feeling) and the circumstances and nature of your claim make it highly suspect.
Acryon what made you question monkeys alignment on the read? your first vote was echoing 2iAMs sentiments about Mulch. Which was Nothing against Mulch everything against monkey. Meaning you agreed you didn't like monkey. Let's hear that side.-
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Because as a PR you shouldn't claim early unless put up for lynch.In post 558, Mulch wrote:
You keep making aeguements that my claim is perfect IF I’m scumIn post 557, Mulch wrote:Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.
But I’m not scum.
So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?
But that has the premise that I’m scum
So if you don’t assume I’m scum, why is my claim bad
Because as a PR you could soft claim PR if being threatened to be Vig'd rather than I AM THIS EXPLICIT ROLE KNOW ALL OF THE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES THEREOF
Because as a PR it might help to crumb something and point it out with your claim rather than blankly claim it early d1.
Your claim was weak and looks very much like fuck I'm gonna get shot and that's not good for scum team.
all of that ontop of it being a very good claim if you are scum-
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Sorry I have a headache I'm not sure why I even wrote that first question... I need to wake up.
Derpy I'm ISOing Profil and I think Mulches flip will tell a lot about Profil but I see where you're coming from..
I want more from RB, Sky Paladin, Jodax and generally everyone else who's being quiet. I feel like we keep cycling in and out players who are active and it's not giving a good painted picture.
Pedit: Yeah I knew that idk why I asked I Think I thought you were psychosavant for a second chiming in. Your black and white profile pics got me confused. I blame my headache.
Okay. Let me look through the ISO again there were a few comments that bugged me I wanted your opinion since I thought you said TiAM was your potential alternative to mulch but you were pretty set on mulch.-
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In post 425, profii wrote:I’ve had an idea. If we are going to lose a PR when DH kills Mulch, I’ll make a different policy vote
VOTE: no lynch
Ner!
Actually I realized I was confused for a second I misread a previous Profil post but I do want to call back to this a bit. Between this and Profils constant what if scenarios always ending with town losing multiple members do you think that's town indicative?
Anyone can answer but I suppose this is more directed at Acryon right now.
Derpy do you think Profil hasn't been trying to dig up scum? What are your thoughts on Bujaber, and RB? You said you could do Psycho are you still feeling 2IAM is town?-
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WIFOM about what you would claim as scum.In post 566, Mulch wrote:
I meanIn post 559, Hawk wrote:
Because as a PR you shouldn't claim early unless put up for lynch.In post 558, Mulch wrote:
You keep making aeguements that my claim is perfect IF I’m scumIn post 557, Mulch wrote:Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.
But I’m not scum.
So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?
But that has the premise that I’m scum
So if you don’t assume I’m scum, why is my claim bad
Because as a PR you could soft claim PR if being threatened to be Vig'd rather than I AM THIS EXPLICIT ROLE KNOW ALL OF THE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES THEREOF
Because as a PR it might help to crumb something and point it out with your claim rather than blankly claim it early d1.
Your claim was weak and looks very much like fuck I'm gonna get shot and that's not good for scum team.
all of that ontop of it being a very good claim if you are scum
If I was scum I would claim odd night cop and fake a peek
Would also not claim in anger if I was scum
Your right it’s not logical but I wasn’t being logical when I claimed so
Okay let's play a scenario out real quick.
Assume these two things happen.
1. We don't lynch you.
2. We convince DH to not shoot you.
What benefit does town gain from keeping you around for one more night because most likely scum will and can kill you sometime between now and n2 before you get investigation results off?-
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Okay so you're voting 2iAM. You want to avoid DH and Mulch if both are not counter claimed and DH isn't shooting Mulch.In post 568, profii wrote:NL was more of a rage option at DH going to shoot a cop claim but now people are actually talking about it I’m less ragey
Present to me your case on why 2iAM over anyone else. Also specifically over psycho (since I feel like there's a better chance for 1 scum between these two than not)-
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It's Wifom because I dont know your alignment. If you had claimed odd night and we had called it suspicious you easily could have said you would have claimed even night and knowing that blahblahblah. Wifom.In post 571, Mulch wrote:If scum kill me, then they lose a mislynch the way things are going
If they don’t, I get a cop check
Simple
And it’s not wifom,
I would claim odd night as scum lol
If scum kill you n2 then they gain cover/lynchbait for 1 day plus the rest of today as you'll be heavily scrutinized tomorrow if you're alive.
Also know the cool thing about a mislynch for scum? if your mislynch lives but gets close to getting lynched but doesn't people who pushes the mislynched get looked at.
Scums power and weakness lies in the information they have which is who is actually scum.-
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Slander motion to strike from the record.In post 574, TwoInAMillion wrote:
You mean your fake check where you make up a guilty on someone, they end up being mislyched, and we are in a further hole?In post 571, Mulch wrote:If scum kill me, then they lose a mislynch the way things are going
If they don’t, I get a cop check
Simple
And it’s not wifom,
I would claim odd night as scum lol
This is scummy. No reason to even post this as town.-
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Any argument that starts with.In post 573, Mulch wrote:I don’t understand what you just said
"If I was scum" is WIFOM. You can sit there and tell me all day about how you would do blah as scum rather than what you have done. It doesn't defend your action it says that the action you have taken is opposite this supposed truth you put on the other side. I suppose it's more of a False Dichotomy than Wifom.
I'm to believe that no matter what as scum you would claim odd night cop instead of even. And not any other possibility. Idk you that well and as scum it's an easy defense to something you've done.-
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Two things.In post 578, TwoInAMillion wrote:
I'm pointing out that Mulch's statements are not factually proven correct. How is that scummy?In post 575, Hawk wrote:
Slander motion to strike from the record.In post 574, TwoInAMillion wrote:
You mean your fake check where you make up a guilty on someone, they end up being mislyched, and we are in a further hole?In post 571, Mulch wrote:If scum kill me, then they lose a mislynch the way things are going
If they don’t, I get a cop check
Simple
And it’s not wifom,
I would claim odd night as scum lol
This is scummy. No reason to even post this as town.
1. If you're town you don't know his alignment so saying his check would be fake is just furthering a push that he's scum without adding anything.
2. You easily could have just said you're only providing a single possible outcome Mulch that can't be proven. What you said can only be truthful if you're his scum partner cause you know the claim is fake and his check would be fake.
Pedit: that's cool I give no fucks about your record as scum because it doesn't pertain to the case at hand, and 2 your statement still doesn't do anything for your town rep. You could be lying, and as scum saying "If I was scum I would *insert thing here that I'm not doing this game*" is an easy lie to tell.-
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It's an arguement from authority basically.In post 582, Mulch wrote:
What the fuck is appeal to experienceIn post 581, TwoInAMillion wrote:Wow appeal to experience and WIFOM in the same post.
Zzz
Ur almost as scummy as acorn
An argument from authority, also called an appeal to authority, or the argumentum ad verecundiam[note 1], is a form of defeasible[4] argument in which a claimed authority's support is used as evidence for an argument's conclusion. It is well known as a fallacy, though it is used in a cogent form when all sides of a discussion agree on the reliability of the authority in the given context.
pulled from Wikipedia. It's basically using your winlose record as scum and your own baseless statement as foundation for your argument that "I would claim odd night rolecop" is true.-
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Okay? The pedit was directed at Mulch not you lol. Pedit means I saw a post in my preview so I added that.In post 585, TwoInAMillion wrote:
I'm 4-3 as town and 2-1 as scum. My wiki page is updated.In post 583, Hawk wrote:
Two things.In post 578, TwoInAMillion wrote:
I'm pointing out that Mulch's statements are not factually proven correct. How is that scummy?In post 575, Hawk wrote:
Slander motion to strike from the record.In post 574, TwoInAMillion wrote:
You mean your fake check where you make up a guilty on someone, they end up being mislyched, and we are in a further hole?In post 571, Mulch wrote:If scum kill me, then they lose a mislynch the way things are going
If they don’t, I get a cop check
Simple
And it’s not wifom,
I would claim odd night as scum lol
This is scummy. No reason to even post this as town.
1. If you're town you don't know his alignment so saying his check would be fake is just furthering a push that he's scum without adding anything.
2. You easily could have just said you're only providing a single possible outcome Mulch that can't be proven. What you said can only be truthful if you're his scum partner cause you know the claim is fake and his check would be fake.
Pedit: that's cool I give no fucks about your record as scum because it doesn't pertain to the case at hand, and 2 your statement still doesn't do anything for your town rep. You could be lying, and as scum saying "If I was scum I would *insert thing here that I'm not doing this game*" is an easy lie to tell.-
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Gamblers fallacy? just like meta your past results have no bearing on what's actually going on in this game.In post 587, Mulch wrote:Look at all my scum games.
I’m townread.
I don’t get scumread as scum
It’s very simple logic-
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Benefit of the doubt and burden of proof asside I'm not convinced that any more or any less of my read on Mulch.In post 594, TwoInAMillion wrote:You shouldn't blame other people that no one can understand you.
Mulch why are you voting 2iAM? Just give me an idea of the things that he's said that make you think they're scum-
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If his only reason is because you're calling him scum it is. Stop answering questions he should be answering. You're literally not gaining anything from this and your idle comments feel like scum edging other people towards bad lynched rather than Town making solid cases against people they think are scum....In post 596, TwoInAMillion wrote:
It's called OMGUS.In post 595, Hawk wrote:
Benefit of the doubt and burden of proof asside I'm not convinced that any more or any less of my read on Mulch.In post 594, TwoInAMillion wrote:You shouldn't blame other people that no one can understand you.
Mulch why are you voting 2iAM? Just give me an idea of the things that he's said that make you think they're scum-
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UNVOTE:
Jodax still hasn't contributed meaningfully as even his most recent posts are mostly piggybacking Sky. But that's okay. Sky is towny as fuck. For now I think we can switch gears.
Going off what Sky said I'm okay with Psycho, 2iAM, Bujaber lynches.
I'm okay with Townblock, Me, Sky, DH(mostly from the claim), Mulch(from the claim), RB and one other.
RB I really would like you to read some of what was said. Most of the pages with me going back and forth with Mulch amounted to not a lot besides I think getting some other people (acryon, 2iam, and profil) to chime in which might be worth looking at. Most of me and Mulch is me trying to get mulch to make an actual argument not based on logical fallacies. But none of what he said was very AI as you can't really say for certain it's bad town play or bad scum play based off what information we have.
Jodax why are you leaning Psycho more than Bujaber??-
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How is it high-reward? It's actually the average reward since if we lynch him and he's scum DH is probably dying tonight without protection...In post 653, acryon wrote:
Here's the thing about Mulch though. Lynching him is such a low-risk/high-reward play. If we lynch him and he's town, it's not a big deal since he was going to be killed by mafia anyways so we don't really lose the PR by lynching him. The fact that he claimed means there is (I would say) a higher-than-average chance of hitting scum. We will feel very bad as town if we allow scum to fakeclaim and live on for days for no reason. Not to mention if we don't lynch him, he will continue to be a point of contention if he lives on. Do you want to be stuck in a LyLo with Mulch?In post 652, Hawk wrote:UNVOTE:
Jodax still hasn't contributed meaningfully as even his most recent posts are mostly piggybacking Sky. But that's okay. Sky is towny as fuck. For now I think we can switch gears.
Going off what Sky said I'm okay with Psycho, 2iAM, Bujaber lynches.
I'm okay with Townblock, Me, Sky, DH(mostly from the claim), Mulch(from the claim), RB and one other.
RB I really would like you to read some of what was said. Most of the pages with me going back and forth with Mulch amounted to not a lot besides I think getting some other people (acryon, 2iam, and profil) to chime in which might be worth looking at. Most of me and Mulch is me trying to get mulch to make an actual argument not based on logical fallacies. But none of what he said was very AI as you can't really say for certain it's bad town play or bad scum play based off what information we have.
Jodax why are you leaning Psycho more than Bujaber??
If he's scum and DH shoots him that's actually higher reward as we might actually get 2 scum tonight.
Also no matter what the days play out almost the same.
Assuming the setup is simple and is 9 town 2 scum or something like that we go either
7-2/5-2/3-2 or 6-2/4-2/3-2.
I can see an argument that a blind shot n1 is worse than not having to no lynch on d3 but like you said. You would think Mulch is going to die no matter what.... unless you honestly think scum will keep him around because of how scrutinized his claim has been.-
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Fairly certain DH said he wouldn't shoot mulch if we lynch town today cause that would be bad...
Also I can see Bujaber being scum, I really didn't like his most recent posts. Psycho needs to get back into this game and post so I can get a better read there too.
VOTE: BuJaber
fighting a sinus infection/sinus headache so I probably won't be very active today-
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DH if we lynch Mulch who are you shooting?
Pedit: Mulch is being anti town and needs to probably go today/tonight. I understand everyone's reasoning that Mulch is a detriment to town and a potential lynch.
Mulch if you don't believe town deserves your help/you're not willing to help replace out or stop complaining you're going to get lynched/shot. People doubt your claim and disvalue your play. You cant be close to confirned until D3 without you flipping so there's not much you can do if you're being this anti town.
However there is a pretty big elephant if we lynch Mulch and DH doesn't shoot and lives (Not saying he will but scum if they feel like they're not under pressure should leave him alone) He's an unproven claim and if Mulch is the most likely for us to lynch and the highest chance for scum flip we should let Derpy shoot him to confirm him tomorrow.
Ppedit: I agree with 2iAM. Except for us contemplating your shot we have been trying to analyze and look into other lynches. Mulch you have had ample time without votes on you to scumhunt.
Pppedit: With a lot of power scum could be a rolecop-
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Because if you're town it's your fucking win condition? Too butthurt to play to that replace out mate. It's nothing personal it's a damn game.In post 761, Mulch wrote:Why would I be helpful to a town that’s been a dick to me-
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I know you're being sarcastic butIn post 764, Mulch wrote:
/sIn post 763, Mulch wrote:You got me guys, I’m a scum fucking even night cop
Good job
You’ve found the first ever game in mafiascum history with a scum cop
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Cop
Can be a mafia role.
Not saying you are but you have to understand we are under duress to not believe your claim considering how you have reacted to people being skeptical of alignment.-
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You realize you kinda have to shoot right? Otherwise it's the same as leaving up Mulches unsubstantiated claim and anyone who doubted your claim will be wary of you tomorrow.In post 767, Apple Jack wrote:
Probably psychoIn post 760, Hawk wrote:DH if we lynch Mulch who are you shooting?
So are you for sure shooting Psycho If we lynch Mulch? I mean it all sorts itself fine if scum NK you but I don't think they will.
Too many people won't give both of you the benefit of the doubt for us to play like you're both town so we gotta clear that air fast or risk losing OR.
Also link me the game onsite that you got Even Night Cop on mafia side so I can see what fucking madness that was.-
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Trust me I don't like it either... but the way the two of them claimed it's too hard to give them the benefit of the doubt... Both claimed out of anger before anyone put them close to daylynch...In post 775, profii wrote:In any other game I’d be lynching hawk for suggesting we lynch a PR and a vig should shoot on Night 1 haha but it does actually make sense, oh god-
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Can I get a vote count?
I would like everyone currently not voting mulch or wanting to vote outside of mulch to chime in.
Honestly lynching mulch today feels very much like some kind of corner case scenario policy lynch. Like the checklist is, anti-town, Low contributions to the game due to anger or apathy, sus' d by a majority of town, claimed with less than 3 votes on him.
I want to give mulch the benefit of the doubt. So I would like to not lynch him today if possible. I will lynch him if its a choice between that and a NL.-
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