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[Chumba]

VOTE: hws

[Chumba]

Havo not jumping on the wagon is weird

[Chumba]

I'm just saying nk15 looks like he's trying to look really towny

I am not really a fan of him giving us a warning about havo hammering, and then him putting somebody to l-1.

[Chumba]

who thinks NK15 is town after that flip on his stance?

me

why? because it is suspicious as fuck imo

[Chumba]

VOTE: Not known

[Chumba]

but you don't really have a good reason to scum read them, they haven't done anything AI so yeah I call bullshit

[Chumba]

Town is supposed to:
bring reads on someone else
be angry to be threatened with the hammer this early
try to partipiciate positively in general

Nothing of that applies to HWS.

all of this is false. I literally just completed a game where the town doctor was threatened with a lynch and was lynched and he didn't do any of those things.

what people have told me over and over again on my other accounts and I never really listened applies here.

Not everyone is going to play the way you expect them to. Just because somebody plays different to your expectations doesn't make them scum.

nothing hws is alignment indicative and if you say it is you are lying.

[Chumba]

So I disagree with NK15's point that town should be angry about lynch pressure at this stage - if you are claiming VT.

Exactly. VTs don’t care if they are lynched.

He’s either actually a Vt or he’s scum claiming one and we have nothing so far to say which is which.

[Chumba]

I’m not down for a policy lynch. You are scummy for endorsing it. Vote stays for now.

[Chumba]

It’s early day 1. I’m going to scum hunt instead of policy lynch somebody who didn’t react the way you wanted him to. That’s why I hate reaction tests. People don’t know how to gauge reactions accurately.

[Chumba]

I mean the game hasn’t even been open 2 irl days yet and you are ready to lynch the first wagon that formed. An rvs wagon because he didn’t get mad?

I see less town motivation in your actions over his. It’s too early to tell if he’s scum or town and it’s definitely too early to tell if his play is going to be a liability if he is town.

[Chumba]

Idk what your obsession with bolding things is all about but it’s not really necessary. I can read your posts without the added emphasis.

I’m not worried about how useless hws has been. Hell I haven’t been useful up until about 2 hours ago myself.

Not everyone plays the way you want or expect them to and I’m not fine lynching somebody who doesn’t fit your interpretation. I’d rather lynch you for your unrealistic expectations

[Chumba]

But they also were not producing reads in spotlight.

Da fuck kind of reads do you expect on page 3/4?

Get out of here with that shit

[Chumba]

i'm done with you for now, your arguments fall flat and I just find myself finding you scummier and scummier. Hopefully hws plays better but right now he is null. Nothing you have provided has convinced me your scum read on him is legitimate, it's basically a policy lynch push which I could definitely see coming from scum. If you aren't scum do better but for now I like my vote on you and I will end this discussion.

i'll be back later, busy day today

[Chumba]

I don't see his Havo read as a problem - declaring a quick lynch is odd and town are unlikely to do the logical thing and treat L-2 as L-1 to safeguard. Some people are not online all the time or have the time to read every thread carefully straight away so give the guy time.

my god, are you scum? normally you and I disagree when you are town and now you and i are agreeing with each other.

[Chumba]

And secondly can you stop posting stupid shit like this? “VTs don’t care if they’re lynched” has to be the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread so far

To be fair I was the one who said VTs don’t care if they are lynched not him.

[Chumba]

Sup. What did I miss?

[Chumba]

Chumba has been prodded.

not sure if this matters or not but he has limited access on weekends according to his sig

This is correct. But I’m here now so what did I miss? I’m not in any condition to read anything right now

[Chumba]

If that’s true that’s stupid.

When are we Lynching nk?

[Chumba]

His slip is showing.

[Chumba]

havo does feel different this game, wonder if this is his first scum game. then again tchill does also.

i'm so confused.

[Chumba]

havo does feel different this game, wonder if this is his first scum game. then again tchill does also.

i'm so confused.

Same can be said for you.

And no, I’m not scum.

i'm not playing any different.

[Chumba]

I'd have to re-read TChill ISO, he hasn't stood out as much to me so far

that's the problem, he usually stands out and we almost always have a mind meld. I can't even remember any of his posts this game

[Chumba]

The town Chumba I know would never post “I’m so confused”

sure i would and I have, just had a game that ended recently where I said I was confused.

[Chumba]

yeah not a fan of havo misrepping. I have made a similar type post that ethos did ages ago and the person pushing me on it was scum.

[Chumba]

his iso never said "you are bad town"

[Chumba]

can we just lynch nk and deal with this stupid argument later? because if I had to choose a side i'd probably side with ethos but there could be a chance you both are town being stupid.

nk is most likely scum. I feel it in my bones.

p.edit - lol that's true. I push people without reading the thread all the time.

[Chumba]

his iso never said "you are bad town"

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

thank you for proving me correct.

now if you are town, please drop this stupid discussion.

[Chumba]

Havo you aren't even going to admit you made a mistake?

ok, so havo and nk are 2 scum. This game is getting easy

[Chumba]

We can get nk later, havo is at his prime of scumslipping right now I think and we need to keep votes and pressure UP

nk has more votes iirc. if more people vote havo I will join but nk should be the lynch today.

[Chumba]

You said I was bad town.

He never says you are bad town, He says you are bad at being a town player.

The are similar yet completely different statements.

Saying you are bad town would imply this game.

Saying you play bad as town implies something different imo.


I believe his explanation and don’t see it as a slip. Slips are almost never slips anyway

[Chumba]

I think you are looking into it too much tbh. It's like what ethos did as scum pushing people to try and look at u for hammering. You are now trying to manipulate ethos post. Scummy as fuck

[Chumba]

but I said town player which was clearly meaning your play in genera

That’s how I saw it. I could see how havo could originally think he meant this game but once it was explained he should have moved on.

[Chumba]

youre probably town but your play is bullshit
no one should sheep you

You sort of have no basis to judge anyone’s play cause if you are town your play is pretty terrible also.

[Chumba]

I think you are looking into it too much tbh. It's like what ethos did as scum pushing people to try and look at u for hammering. You are now trying to manipulate ethos post. Scummy as fuck

Eth0s literally said "havo" "bad" "town" in the same sentence. I don't see any manipulation here.

Sure there is.

You are bad at being a town player has a completely different meaning as you are bad town.

The first implies he’s a shitty player when he’s town the other implies he’s being a bad town player this game.

[Chumba]

Look at eth0s play before the havo/eth0s 1v1 and tell me why you're siding with eth0s "if you'd have to" chumba.

The play before the ethos/havo is irrelevant. Havo looks bad for forcing the fight cause he can’t read for shit. Even after it’s been explained and cleared up he’s blatantly ignoring it.

[Chumba]

He also proves I’m correct and stil acts like he’s done nothing wrong.

[Chumba]

What happened to every post matters?

Where did I say that?

[Chumba]

Eth0s play has been wreck less and loud.

Exact opposite of how scum would play. It’s also different than ethos scum game.

[Chumba]

Havo's has been driven from a technicality that Eth0s said he's bad town regardless of context. He can't be implying he's good scum because eth0s hasn't seen Havo's scum game. He's literally calling him bad town.

Havo is the one making a mistake dwelling on that comment. I’ve seen many townies myself included make similar ones. It’s possible t accuse somebody of being a bad townie and not even be referring to this game. It’s also possible to call somebody a bad townie while referring to this game and not be scum saying it. That’s why I always say “if you are town” because I’ve seen so many pointless arguments just like this one. And based on memory it usually comes from scum trying to manipulate a townie.

I’ll deal with being wrong but in havo v ethos. I’ll take ethos

[Chumba]

Eth0s play has been wreck less and loud.

Exact opposite of how scum would play. It’s also different than ethos scum game.

Right that's what I'm saying. My issue is that from this argument it seemed like you were pushing havo.

I town read them both.

What happened to every post matters?

Where did I say that?

I thought I've seen you say that once from our many games together.c

I won't do that though I'll judge you off play alone here.

1. I scum read havo

2. Things I say on my other accounts don’t apply to this one.

[Chumba]

Eth0s play has been wreck less and loud.

Exact opposite of how scum would play. It’s also different than ethos scum game.

And the main point here is your said to disregard the "wreck less and loud" play from eth0s before the havo discussion.

I honestly don’t know how ethos was playing before the havo v ethos fight. I was focused on trying to lynch scum NK15.

[Chumba]

it's manipulating because ethos has explained what he meant, when you go back and read it in context it is very clear what he meant but havo is straight up refusing to believe it and is still pushing a wrong narrative. When something has been disproven and somebody still pushes it, it's manipulative.

and plus like I said, I have been involved in this kind of thing before. I told a player I was scum reading that he was playing poorly and that got twisted around to me somehow knowing he was town (which I didn't and iirc he was actually scum)

That is why I always try to put in the disclaimer "if you are town" because scum and shitty townies are going to jump on that. I feel havo is better than that which makes me think we are seeing his scum game. time will tell though.

i'd much rather lynch nk15. He hasn't done anything that i can tell to town up his already scummy spot.

[Chumba]

i could see chick as scum.

nk/chick/havo

let's flip one

[Chumba]

nk was defedning havo
havo is defedning chick
chick is kind of defending havo
sheep's is shit and if he is town, so is his play.

yeah i feel good about my team.

[Chumba]

that should be sheep's opinion is shit

[Chumba]

if he gets to l-1 i'll havo style him.

[Chumba]

i don't think havo is going to flip town

[Chumba]

you do you, I do me

[Chumba]

@havo. Thoughts on tchill saying you are going to flip town?

[Chumba]

@havo. Thoughts on tchill saying you are going to flip town?

He’s correct.

He knows my game.

Ok you are scum

[Chumba]

Ok... Havo and Eth0s are scum.

Nah. If both were scum neither would back down.

[Chumba]

It’s actually not that common except for a select few people so to go that route first goes against Occam’s razor and is suspicious

[Chumba]

I do think that’s uncharacteristic for profli. He is usually more verbose and logical

[Chumba]

chumba tried to portray havo as the manipulator in the middle of the 1v1

he was. I mean ethos says he is a bad player as town and havo gets mad and accuses ethos of scum slipping

you flat out say havo is town - nothing.

havo clearly was manipulating the situatition. He doesn't get to pick and choose who he can be mad about when I don't think ethos did what he think he did and YOU did do what havo thought ethos did.

havo is scum. if you are town, you are stupid not to see it.

[Chumba]

Chumba argued a technecality to try and get havo lynched.

Havo was attacking ethos on a lie. It is something that if havo was town, he would have realized his mistake, apologized and moved on. he didn't and then he ignores you when you actually do what havo was accusing ethos of.

Never guessed i was scum as i was hard defending havo

I already have my list of possible scum so why would I scum read you? The way you defend havo is similar to how you defend your townreads, so it doesn't really ping me. The way chick/havo/nk were defending felt different to me.

[Chumba]

I think it makes a lot of sense.

his case on me makes no sense at all.

[Chumba]

I'm fine with lynching Chumba, profii and... Schadd. in that order.

like I get you think havo is town (you are wrong there) but seriously how the fuck is NK or chick not in your scum reads at all?

[Chumba]

and how are you ok with lynching someone when 4 players still need to be sorted?

cause it's day 1 and those other people can be sorted later. i'm not going to worry about them when obv scum is right in front of my face.

[Chumba]

i'm reading this one, and she is pretty scummy

[Chumba]

This isn’t Chumba’s town game.

I don't think you know my town game.

I will say this can't be your town game though because you falsely accuse one person of somebody and give a free ride to the person who actually did it.

no way that is town ever.

[Chumba]

you didnt acknowledge the first post.

Didn’t see anything worth responding to

[Chumba]

and here i am wondering why you haven't asked me why i care who's lynched given my day 1 history.

Cause I’m not worried about what you are doing right now. My sights are focused on 3 people. If one of them flip town I’ll reevaluate but everything I’ve seen points to them being connected.

[Chumba]

nerds ur all town

We can’t all be town. There have to be some scum...

[Chumba]

i have a townblock of chumb/chick/eth0s/havo/nk/tchill
so like
eh

All my scum reads are in your town block...

[Chumba]

I do think that’s uncharacteristic for profli. He is usually more verbose and logical

uncharacteristic != scum

Was exclamation point really what you meant to use? Cause if so idk what that means.

[Chumba]

if this were my scumpartner i'd have bussed by now

Say what now?

P.edit. Oh ok thanks. Idk why he told me that cause I wasn’t calling him scum.

VOTE: osuka

[Chumba]

Im never re-evaluating my read on you. You as town should have called tchill out for doing what you accused ethos of doing. You refused to and instead excuses his behavior and that imo doesn’t come from town.

[Chumba]

Yeah went back and reread and saw you were voting her already. It’s late for me.
VOTE: havo

I’m not voting anyone else until this flips.

[Chumba]

I’m only being a hard ass because I honestly don’t see you as town doing what you did. You were intentionally manipulative when it came
to ethos when he never called you town this game (from my POV) yet tchill did and it’s fine, no issues with it.

Bullshit. That’s scum. I don’t care if I’m Lynched. I know I’m right and that’s all that counts.

[Chumba]

When I flip town.

Do not let Chumba wiggle out of his mess.

I ain’t going to wiggle. I don’t care if I’m Lynched but if you are town you fucked up big time.

[Chumba]

Oh shit it hit me. Havo got butt hurt cause somebody called him bad. He has no issues when people call him town in a Positive manner but call him a bad town player and it’s omgus time.



Classic scum havo.

[Chumba]

I apologize for letting Derpy slip out this game but there is just no way havo flips town here.

[Chumba]

You’re tunneling

Why yes I am.

[Chumba]

I apologize for letting Derpy slip out this game but there is just no way havo flips town here.

How about if I flip town you replace out?

Why would I do something stupid like that?

[Chumba]

Having modded games replacing out is shitty thing to do unless you have a good reason.

[Chumba]

You’re a better player than this.

No I’m not actually. I’m trying to be but tunneling is what I’m known for and you know this. People on glb hated me for my tunneling also. You should definitely know that.

[Chumba]

This is the 2nd time chumba has directly contradicted himself.

I haven’t contracted myself at all actually. Things change. I’m allowed to change my mind. Havo is confirmed scum. Especially now that he’s acting like tunneling is not like me. Anyone familiar with my play knows I’m a tunneler and he definitely is familiar with my play.

Havo is confirmed scum from my POV. If people want to ignore that and vote me instead that’s fine but I’m right band will be vindicated eventually.

I would say I expect more from you but early day 1 you are a shit player so I really don’t. If you are town you need to take the blinders off.

Havo did manipulate ethos
Havo ignoring others calling him town actually contradicts himself
Havo lying about me and my playstyle is just more proof he’s scum.

You don’t want to listen to reason so I’m done with you this game.

[Chumba]

you shouldn't need to pitch anything, if your reasoning on any read is sound and true then why would you have to frame it in a way that appeals to a particular player.

Agree. But his reasoning isn’t sound. I’m now wondering if they are scum together because tchill’s reasons are shit. Some aren’t even true.

[Chumba]

Pretty obvious imo havo wasn't being manipulative

how is it obvious? Ethos says one thing, Havo says he said something else. Ethos has explained this and havo is ignoring the explanation. Maybe my definition is wrong, but if it isn't manipulation what is it?

You are now doing the same thing here.

Eth0s literally said "bad town player"

That isn't what ethos said at all. I challenged havo to find where ethos said "bad town player" and he was unable to. I would challenge you to do the same but I know you will end up with the same results. This is what ethos said word for word unedited.

Havo I'm sorry that you are so

bad at being a town player

but please don't take your anger out on me

As I have already explained (which I shouldn't have to since anyone who has passed middle school english should be able to figure this out) "You are bad town" has a completely different meaning than "you are a bad town player"

This one puzzles me. Can you explain why you brought this up?

havo hasn't drawn scum on site as far as ik so eth0s couldn't have been talking about his scum game

Ethos wasn't talking about havo's scum game, he specifically was talking about his town game. So what does havo never being scum have to do with this conversation? Nothing as far as I can tell.

It's silly. It's a technicality that chumba has honed in on.

This technicality is actually very important. When now 2 people are saying ethose said "you are bad town" when he actually didn't matters to me. Havo completely twisted ethos words, and now you are doing it also.

if you don't believe that is what ethos meant, that's fine I can actually accept that but when you both say he said something he never said, that's a boldface lie and I can't tolerate lies.

Now one read it as TvT so when havo flips town eth0s would be the next to be pointed a

and? Why do I need lynched because of what you think others will do? I won't be pushing an ethos lynch if havo flips town (which btw he won't) so why are you trying to put the blame on me for something that hasn't even happened and you don't know if it would happen?

I'm not quite sure why nobody is understanding this.

Probably because you aren't making sense.

Chumba literally has a scum team pinned down but wants Havo's head. Not the other two. He wants havo lynched.

And? what's wrong with that? i was fine earlier lynching one of the 3, but havo has done more than enough that I am 100% sure he is scum. I am not 100% on my other reads. havo manipulated the conversation with ethos, he has blatantly contradicted himself, and he has essentially lied about my meta saying tunneling isn't like me. I don't see how havo could be town at this point.

The other two don't lead to another person getting lynched if they flip town. If havo flips town it might lead to eth0s getting lynched.

Again, why are you holding me responsible for what other people will do? i actually think you are wrong though. if havo somehow flips town (which he actually won't) I am sure more people will be trying to lynch me.


let me ask you something. if I am lynched today, Will you lynch havo tomorrow after I flip town? because that is all I care about right how. havo needs rope. he is scum

[Chumba]

This is what ethos said word for word unedited.

correction. unedited minus me bolding the relevant statement.

[Chumba]

He’s ruined any chance of us working togethe

nah, you did that all on your own.

[Chumba]

yes, sorry for my typo. The point I was trying to make is clear though. the meanings of the 2 statements are clearly different. Once a person explains what they mean, you can't turn around and say they meant to say something else and that is what havo did and now what tchill is doing.

[Chumba]

I don’t agree that being implies present tense. Could be I guess but that’s why you have to consider his explanation as part of it. He explains what he meant.

Me not remembering his exact words doesn’t really change anything. The end point is the same. He’s saying havo plays bad as town not that he’s bad town.

[Chumba]

In the end only time will tell who’s right or who’s wrong about what ethos actually meant. I trust his explanation and think havo ignoring it made him scummy.

I have had similar experiences myself even one recently where scum tried to do something similar so it resonates with me

[Chumba]

I mean even what ethos did in that last game is similar manipulation. Ethos trying to use havo’s hammer against him was manipulative and scummy.

[Chumba]

Unfortunately Chumba has decided to feed town a shit sandwich on this Day 1.

The only one feeding shit sandwiches are you and now tchill.

You blatantly misrep ethos and completely ignore his explanation.

You say I’m better than tunneling which is factually untrue. I wanted to get away from that on this account and if you are town I’ll be pissed at you for your play.

You also can’t acceot ethos supposedly calling you town (which he didn’t) but are ok with others doing it. The only difference is he did it in a negative way and everyone else did it in a positive.

[Chumba]

Yes I’ll flip town and you will be pissed at ME because I didn’t do what YOU think is town play. There’s no possible way you can be to blame for lynching a towni who has been townread by other players. Who Ethos himself said holdup.

1. Yes. I honestly don’t see how you can be town and manipulate that post by ethos or lie about my play.
2. I’m only one vote. If you get lynched multiple townies would have to agree with me. People can blame me if they want but again I’m just one vote
3. The people who currently town read you are people who’s reads I don’t trust. Some of them are people I scum read or I think are playing like shit. In the end I have to trust myself.

Had we Lynched Nk like I wanted to way back none of this would have happened. Ssince it has I can’t ignore your actions. If I’m wrong and you are town I’ll accept my mistakes but ultimately you are responsible for playing terrible

[Chumba]

It didn’t come down to a grammatical error at all. It came down to a blatant misrep. One you had now made yourself

[Chumba]

Pretty clear where the manipulation is coming from but I'm gonna need the other half of the player list to get in here and help.

So you are now willing to vote havo? Awesome. Drop a vote and maybe others will follow

[Chumba]

I mean I assume that’s what you are referring to since it’s basically been proven havo did the manipulation

[Chumba]

I'm not good at it either but you're flat out ignoring it just to get havo lynched.

He’s scum so yes I’m trying to get him lynched. Literally the entire point of this game.

[Chumba]

Hey chumba how many times have I seen you say "so and so has to be sxum/town they wouldn't be doing this if they weren't"

Lots of times. And I’m right a lot and wrong a lot.

How many times have you said day 1 somebody was town and we’re wrong?

[Chumba]

Grammatical error lead to your "havo manipulation" push.

I don’t believe havo’s mistake was a grammatical one because when corrected he ignored it and continued his push on the wrong wording. That’s why I felt it was manipulative. If you make a mistake you admit it and apologize then move on. He didn’t do that.

[Chumba]

Hey chumba how many times have I seen you say "so and so has to be sxum/town they wouldn't be doing this if they weren't"

Lots of times. And I’m right a lot and wrong a lot.

How many times have you said day 1 somebody was town and we’re wrong?

I'm not ignoring the fact it's impossible for me to be wrong. You are.

I’m not ignoring it either. I realize I could be wrong, I just don’t think I am.

[Chumba]

How would you describe profii's push on havo?

I’d have to go back and look at it. I don’t really remember but any push on havo is a good one imo. I’ll do that day 2

[Chumba]

I interjected myself cause havo was lying and pushing the wrong narrative and deliberately ignoring ethos explanation.

When is that ever town? It’s not

[Chumba]

Why won’t Chumba let me sort my scum read? Why can’t I push Ethos after he pushed me?

You can do whatever you want but when you lie while doing it like you did, I’m going to call you on it.

Why can’t you push ethos without lying?

[Chumba]

IT WASN'T CORRECTED.

Idk what game you are reading but it definitely was.

[Chumba]

ARE is present tense. You ARE playing this game right now.

You WERE is past. You WILL is future. You ARE is right now.

Not you ARE going to. It's literally you Are bad at being.

I'm not talking about grammar anymore.

Bullshit. You can use are and be referring to a persons previous games.

Here is a factual statement about you.

You are a terrible town player day 1.

This doesn’t imply I know your alignment this game but it’s factually correct about your previous games.

This argument had gone to new levels of stupid. I’m not sinking to your level anymore.

[Chumba]

You're lying and pushing the wrong narrative and deliberately ignoring Havo's explanation.

No I’m not.

[Chumba]

I wasn’t lying.

I disagree

[Chumba]

UNVOTE:
This game has just been really hard for me to get into, and therefor gets reads.

Tchill, you're going after semantics, but your semantics are wrong. "Bad at being a town player" is a general statement about someone's play style. The use of "are" is irrelevant here. It just means current play style.

Thank you. I still think you are scum but you are right here.

[Chumba]

VOTE: HWS
Let's lynch this lurker who claimed VT.

Tchill: Please react to post 660

No. We are only lynching havo or myself. Pick a side

Team havo or Team Chumba.

Nobody wants this to spill into days 2/3/4

[Chumba]

It’s cause I’m not scum. Town Chumba would step in when somebody is lying. Havo flat out lied. You and he can deny it all you want but it actually fucking happened.

Maybe profli/havo are a team and profli wanted to get on unnoticed? Why haven’t you considered that theory? Bussing happens

[Chumba]

Anyways. I’m done talking to havo and tchill and I really hope neither of them are actually town.

[Chumba]

If we're really going to be stubborn enough to limit ourselves to Chumba or Havo, I'll vote Chumba, but where is everyone else?

so vote me and let's end this day. just please lynch havo tomorrow

[Chumba]

vt in chumba too

why did you feel the need to mention you think i am a vt?

[Chumba]

So, you're realizing there may not be enough interest in a Chumba lynch, and you're working down your list?

please ask tchill why he considered me/profli a team but he doesn't seem to consider profli/havo?

also ask him if he realizes that the definition of maybe and probably are actually different so by him saying I probably think they are scum together is not true at all and he is guilty of misrepping me yet again.

[Chumba]

vt in chumba too

why did you feel the need to mention you think i am a vt?

I think the whole thing was town vs town vs town. It wasn’t a random softclaim

I get you now think it is t v t v t, but that doesn't explain why you felt the need to point out you think I am a vt

[Chumba]

He never said he thought you vanilla town.

oh I re-read, I got it now. he was trying to say t v t v t.

[Chumba]

tchill criticizing others for lack of thinking?

[Chumba]

I’m not scum reading you but im definitely not town reading you either. between tchill’s ignorance posts, every once in a while he makes a valid point about you that I can’t ignore.

That’s the issue with day 1, without flips it’s all paranoia

[Chumba]

VOTE: HWS
Let's lynch this lurker who claimed VT.

Tchill: Please react to post 660

Do you scum read anyone who isn’t a lurker? If yes why not push them?

Lurking isn’t AI and historically pressuring lurkers and low posters doesn’t end well and I’m pretty you know this.

Lurkers suck but we have 3/4 atm and they aren’t all scum together

[Chumba]

Like help me understand your obsession with the very first person we wagoned and got to claim. Him claiming vt and not posting seems to go hand in hand. You have to convince people why something that is common on this site is scummy to you. I don’t think you can do that.

[Chumba]

please explain how being calm in that situation is AI

[Chumba]

Wonder if tchill/havo are scum together

[Chumba]

If tchill is town somebody really needs to teach him how to play. Curiosity isn’t a bad thing. Just because somebody is curious of something doesn’t necessarily mean that’s what they think is actually the case.

It’s also not suspicious to be suspicious of people who have lied and manipulate things.

It’s also not weird to be suspicious of somebody who denies manipulation actually happened when it’s been proven it did.

It’s also not weird or suspicious to be suspicious of somebody who changes the word maybe to probably since that minor change completely changes the argument.

I can sit here and wonder if Nero and Schadd couldn’t be scum together.
I can sit here and wonder if NK and Hws is scum together.
I can sit here and wonder pretty much whatever I want. It’s not suspicious to do that.

I don’t scum read tchill for hard defending havo 1. Because I had other people I was suspicious of. 2. Scum hard defending their partner isn’t a commonly used tactic.

I’m starting to wonder if tchill is scum because of the posts where he is clearly misrepping things and being manipulative himself. If a tchill wagon happens, I’ll be fine with it because he has gotten scummier, but I’m only interested in Lynching one person and until they are dead, I’m not voting anyone else.

I’ll also say his reaction to me saying I’m not going to converse with him or havo anymore was quite strange but that’s not really AI except for the fact that it’s out of character for him. He doesn’t seem like the kind of person who cares if I want to ignore him.

[Chumba]

I can sit here and wonder if Nero and Schadd could be scum together.

Fixed

[Chumba]

VOTE: notknown15

I'm bad about changing stances but not moving my actual vote. Apologies.

Notice tchill forgot about this one.

Oh and look “I’m not moving my vote”

Yet he took issue when I said it. At least I’m a man of my word.

[Chumba]

It's a good question but I don't see it as a reason to townread him tbh

This. Nk hasn’t done anything of value all game and his early stuff is still pretty bad.

[Chumba]

Chumba and me always think identically and I don't remember him just excusing it when we didn't mind meld.

I’m not sure what you mean here. I was the one who pointed it out that we weren’t because it worries me and you laughed it off and even called me buddy which my paranoia now wonders if this was you trying to buddy me.

[Chumba]

When asked about profii chumba said it could be his scum partner bussing. If that's your first thought why not agree to make a deal with a profii lynch?

That wasn’t my first thought though. You presented one scenario. I asked why you didn’t consider the alternative to that scenario. You still haven’t answered that question despite me asking at least twice.

In a vacuum. Profli’s vote on havo and expecting him to be lynched can feasibly be one of 3 options.

1. He’s scum and havo is town
2. He’s scum and havo is scum

You presented he’s scum and havo is town and completely ignored the alternative. When I asked you why, you freaked out and tried to turn it around on me.

Since I think havo is scum my POV is different. Profli is either town and his vote was uncharacteristic for him or they are scum together. It’s possible that I’m wrong and havo is town and profli is scum but there is way more evidence to support havo scum then there is to support profli scum.

There is more evidence to support havo scum over anyone else in this game being scum imo. That’s why I can’t unvote him.

[Chumba]

You're digging your own grave chumba.

I already said I don’t care if I die. So why make this statement?

[Chumba]

been busy the last few days

started to catch up last night & fell asleep

UNVOTE:

So post thoughts on what you have so far.

[Chumba]

lol @havo

“You scum read me so your reads are poor”

Let’s ignore the fact that havo lied, manipulated, and overall played like scum.

Havo takes issue with somebody implying he’s town in a negative manner but has no issues when people do it in a positive one. That’s a scum mindset. Attack the negative and embrace the positive.

[Chumba]

Dude made 4 posts and he’s being told to re-evaluate his entire play

[Chumba]

You can’t read me. You have already lied about my play which proves you can’t read me. Tchill can’t read me either.

[Chumba]

Can’t wait to read the scum forum.

Hurry back and tell me what your buddies are telling you to say

[Chumba]

You’re tunneling

Why yes I am.

You’re a better player than this. That’s why I think you’re scum.

You cherry picked my argument vs Ethos.

Ignored everything else.

And that’s really it this time. I’m done with this.

This post right here is a lie. Anyone who knows my play knows I’m a serial tuneler. I also cherry pick arguments and ignore other people’s arguments.

There are people in here who have played with me who an confirm this.

Havo and I have played on another site and my play there was exactly the same.

This alone is all I need to lynch havo but thankfully he’s given me so much more. Lying about my meta as town doesn’t make sense. As scum it does.

[Chumba]

@Chumba

EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOUR TUNNELING GARBAGE LEADS TOO!!!!!!!!!

WE HAVE ALL SEEN IT BEFORE AND ITS WRONG 90% OF THE TIME!!!!!!!!

100% OF THE TIME ON DAY 1.

It actually not wrong 100% but thanks for confirming you knew I’m not better than this and you lied about my meta.

I just had 2 games recently where I caught scum day 1, granted one I was the SK but whatever

Lynch him!

[Chumba]

I really hope havo is scum because his play here is so terrible that if he’s town I have to blacklist him and I like havo

[Chumba]

Chumba wants me gone so bad because he knows I can read him

I want you gone because you lied and manipulated the ethos situation and overall look like scum.

But hey say whatever you want to make you sleep better at night.

[Chumba]

Well I go way back with Chumba. He was notorious for being wrong on our other site.

I was also notiorus for being right and finding scum when nobody else could.

I’m not perfect and never claimed to be but let’s cut the bullshit ok?

I’m scum reading you for your play this game and right or wrong, I’m not changing my mind.

[Chumba]

You just keep repeating the same thing over and over. Give it a break.

Why would I stop repeating the truth?

[Chumba]

It's wrong. Other people pushing havo aren't pushing him for the same reason you are from what I can tell

1. It’s not wrong. I have proven it’s true already

2. People can have different reasons for scum reading somebody.

[Chumba]

I really hope havo is scum because his play here is so terrible that if he’s town I have to blacklist him and I like havo

You always say this.

I don’t think I have played a game with you where you didn’t say “x is so bad I’ll have to blacklist them”

There ya go chickadee. Now how often is he wrong?

It's usually said about town.

just exactly how many games do you think we have played together?

cause from my memory we have played twice and one of those i didn't even push a lynch day 1.

[Chumba]

this talk about me being right or wrong in past games is pointless anyway, nobody has a track record of being perfect on day 1 so trying to discredit me this game because of pasts games is really shady.

[Chumba]

nice misrep

[Chumba]

Hey, Chumba. Now I'm curious and think this might be a good exercise. Sell me on you being town.

no

[Chumba]

I’m curious as to what you think I’ve said that hasn’t added up? Cause I call bullshit on that.

Thanks for reaffirming my scum read though trying to get more claims out there. I won’t be claiming.

[Chumba]

That’s fine. Cause I’m not claiming unless I’m at l-1 and somebody gives intent.

Now answer my question

[Chumba]

Glad to see 2/3 of my scum list has been proven correct.

[Chumba]

I’m curious as to what you think I’ve said that hasn’t added up?

You three have accused each other to make misleading statements, to mischaracterize actions... What you have said does not add up with what Havo said. Which strongly suggests that someone is scum there. Not all of you can be scum, so it is possible that you are belonging to the town in that bloc.

I’ve already PROVEN my accusations against havo. If you honestly think I haven’t the burden of proof lies on you to show where I haven’t. I honestly don’t think you can though because I have proven havo manipulated the ethos post and I have proven havo lied about me being a better player. He even later admits that I do tunnel as town which is basically proving me right.

After you do that.

Please explain how having almost half the player list claiming their roles day 1 is beneficial to town. We already have 2 VT claims and you want 4 more claims.

[Chumba]

that's quite a cheeky tactic and makes sense,

No his tactic doesn’t make sense and there is no town motivation for it.

[Chumba]

As long as people are going to say I haven’t proven it, I’m going to correct them since I have.

That game was different then here.

Here there are actual posts that support my accusation.

[Chumba]

I don’t get how the person who made this post

with 2 VT claims already been made we cannot afford more claims this early, to protect our power roles we cannot keep putting people under claim pressure and then backing off.

Now wants 4 more people to claim.

[Chumba]

So you lynch somebody. You don’t ask them all to claim and you certainly don’t lynch somebody for refusing when they aren’t at l-1.

I see no town motivation for his actions.

[Chumba]

We’ll go ahead and lynch me cause I’m not taking part in this strategy and this hurts towns chances of winning so I’d rather get out now.

[Chumba]

I endorse a nk lynch

[Chumba]

Mass claim =/= claim pool

Neither day 1 is a good idea.

[Chumba]

I have not pushed a false narrative. Thanks

[Chumba]

the correct way to sort people in this game is lynch them or investigate them. All the leading scum suspects have been under some sort of pressure already so look at who reacted the worst and lynch that person.

In my opinion that person is hands down Havo so that is who I am voting and urge others to do as well.

[Chumba]

the only reason why i am not voting nk today is because this game can't go into day 2 with both havo and I alive. This argument needs to be settled today. This is why I was trying to change my play on this account and I really hate this game has brought all my bad habits out. tchill could be right, I could be fucking delusional as hell thinking havo is scum, but based on my reads and interpretation I don't think I am.

it really has to be me or him today.

[Chumba]

did I miss the post that tchill said he was going to make about the people voting him? I don't remember seeing it and I want to hold him to making that post.

[Chumba]

I will say the game name needs to be changed. This is not a perfectly normal mafia game

[Chumba]

I strongly advise the town to consider lynching havo tomorrow

Why tomorrow?

[Chumba]

I know chumba did that with the havo wagon

I did?

[Chumba]

So now I'm lying about being sick? that's a crazy and untrue accusation to make.

To be fair it’s unverifiable but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Although it wouldn’t be the first scum had a valid reason and milked it for what it’s worth where as if they were town they would have tried harder to be active.

[Chumba]

I know chumba did that with the havo wagon

I did?

I could have swore you said get havo then get someone else if he's green, but I don't know if that's completely true. Someone said that havo flipping green would end in me (eth0s) being mislynched. I thought that was tchill but maybe it was you?

Not trying to misrep, that's the bottom line. I just don't have time to look at ISOs atm

p-edit: scum isn't ballsy enough to try to kill me tonight and I will be more certain of your (nero's) role if any of my lynchpool die

Yeah pretty sure I didn’t offer some cop out. Havo isn’t flipping green and if he somehow does I’m Lynching myself.

[Chumba]

Tchill was the one saying that if havo flipped town you would probably be lynched next. He tried to make that my fault iirc

[Chumba]

Chumba literally has a scum team pinned down but wants Havo's head. Not the other two. He wants havo lynched. The other two don't lead to another person getting lynched if they flip town. If havo flips town it might lead to eth0s getting lynched.

This is what he says.

Apparently my plan is to mislynch havo and then town will mislynch ethos.

[Chumba]

Really? Are you so confident you will actually start a wagon on yourself tomorrow if wrong? And is your reasoning more than the misrep/manipulation he was doing?

That’s how 1 v 1s work.

And yes my reasons are more than that but that’s a big part of it.

[Chumba]

I won’t be voting myself though. I’ll just be telling people to carry out the 1v1. Nobody ever follows through. I will

[Chumba]

Profli. When I flip town will you vote havo?

[Chumba]

What part of I’m not voting anyone but havo don’t you understand?

[Chumba]

Profli. When I flip town will you vote havo?

yeah i suppose my post wasnt clear. I think you and havo are on opposite teams and I'm really stuck for who to go for.

Ok good. I’d rather you lynch him but I'm over this game. The rest of the town are blind or something acting like havo wasnt intentionally manipulative or that he lied about his experience with me.

[Chumba]

Probably scum. I don’t see tchill town resorting to cheap mud slinging to discredit me.

[Chumba]

I don’t think about it at all. I don’t care anymore. I’m dead today or tomorrow so ask somebody else.

The other townies in this game are disappointing me since they are ignoring obvious scum so if they can do that. I can just ignore everyone and everything

[Chumba]

Yeah that’s weird. Why am I good today but not tomorrow?

[Chumba]

So you’d rather be part of the problem and not the solution. You probably aren’t town. You need the havo vs me drama to continue

[Chumba]

^ directed at scumChill

[Chumba]

don’t hate me for solving the game while you hop back and forth not being able to make a decision about which mislynch is better for your end game.

[Chumba]

you're not even answering questions about other players at this point. I really don't care what your opinions are if you only voice them just to chastise me while refusing to do anything but vote havo.

I had 3 scum reads. One of them changed from chick to you but i still have 3. I haven’t hidden this from anyone.

So asking me my thoughts of anyone else is stupid and pointless. My thoughts are they aren’t scum because I already have 3 scum reads. It’s day one and until I have a flip proving my reads right or wrong, I’m not going to change them.

[Chumba]

Chumba I'm gonna be really upset if this is your town game.
VOTE: chumba

Be prepared to be upset cause it is.

Do you promise to lynch havo tomorrow?

[Chumba]

I don’t know why anyone would be upset with me. I’ve caught 2/3 possibly all 3 of the games scum.

[Chumba]

yeah you definately are playing perfectly day 1. you've only sorted 3 players.

1. you refuse to talk about or sort other players.

2. you threatened to black list someone if they are town.

3. you tunneled havo for something no one else is pushing him for.

4. anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong because you have a "factual" argument.

5. yeah you definitely played the perfect day 1 according to your meta chumba. congratulations.

1. There are most likely 3 scum. I have 3 scum reads. It’s day 1 for fucks sake. Until I get a flip I don’t know if I’m right or wrong. Why does my read on profli matter? I’m never voting him or anyone else today so why do you care about my reads? Here I’ll make it easy for you. Havo/nk/you scum. Everyone else is town. Better?

2. So what? I black list players who do unacceptable things. Intentionally lying and manipulating are things town shouldn’t do. If havo isn’t scum, I never want to play with him again. Shit. If you are town I never want to play with you again.

3. You keep bringing this up like it means something to me. It does annoy me that people are ignoring it since havo did manipulate the ethos argument and he did lie about my meta. Idk how anyone can ignore it but whatever. I hope when I flip town he gets lynched tomorrow

4. Anyone who denies something happened, when it actually did and I’ve proven it did is absolutely wrong. Yes that’s true.

5. Fuck meta. I’ve playe a perfect game because I’m fairly certain I’ve found all the scum.

[Chumba]

Chumba has more votes right now, I'll make it 5.
VOTE: Chumba

Will you vote havo after I flip town?

[Chumba]

un-Official Vote Count

Chumba

(5): Havo, Not Known 15, Tchill13, eth0s, brassherald

Havo

(3): HeWhoSwims, Chumba, profii

Chickadee

(1): osuka

Tchill13

(1): Chickadee

profii

(1): Nero Cain

Not Known 15

(1): Jodaxq

Not Voting

(1): schadd_

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-02-15 17:30:00)

Do not let havo out of his lynch tomorrow please.

[Chumba]

refusing to place stances on day 1 so your day 1 cant be looked back upon is scum motivation.

I haven’t refused to place stances. The goal is to find scum. I have given 3 scum reads.

[Chumba]

I’ve taken the hardest stance out of anyone. I’m sacrificing myself to make sure havo gets lynched tomorrow.

[Chumba]

That’s the whole point of this. Don’t let my mislynch be wasted by letting scum skate by another day

[Chumba]

This is how 1 v 1s work bro. Don’t try and wiggle out of it now.

[Chumba]

Idk why you are siding with me now especially since you are going to make sure your buddy isn’t lynched tomorrow but yes it is a valid point. He’s trying to already plant the seed to ignore my reads and save his own ass tomorrow because he knows I’m flipping town

[Chumba]

This is how 1 v 1s work bro. Don’t try and wiggle out of it now.

no wiggling. valid point.

valid FACTUAL point.

Havo wiggled. I call him out and you seem like you agreed here. Unless this was sarcasm but you should make it more obvious but he did wiggle so either you agree with me or are blatantly lying that he didn’t.

[Chumba]

He’s trying to already plant the seed to ignore my reads and save his own ass tomorrow because he knows I’m flipping town

That’s what havo did. That’s wiggling

[Chumba]

I mean if we are being technical I don’t say all day 1 reads are garbage. And we are taking about 2 completely different things.

Boon played against his win condition, self voted and did absolutely no scum hunting yet dropped a list of reads and people acted like his reads were gold.

My reads are based on actual scum hunting, I haven’t played against my win condition and I’d never self vote myself and all I’m asking for is people to lynch scum one I flip town.

Havo even admitted he was being a detriment to the game and would hammer himself but as I get closer to a lynch he now wants people to know my stance on day 1 reads? Yeah he doesn’t want to be lynched tomorrow. This shit he pulled about saying he’d self hammer is a rouse.

At least I’m a man of my word. I only have 1 dying request.

[Chumba]

Correction. He doesn’t say he is a detriment. He says our argument is. I agree.

Most if not all people don’t think this is t v t interaction so make sure people stick to that tomorrow and lynch havo when I flip town.

[Chumba]

I don’t know if I have anything else to add before I’m Lynched so here are my finals thoughts.

Scum are in the pool of havo/nk/tchil/chick

Everyone else are town by default.

Havo did manipulate the ethos argument and when i proved him wrong he didn’t want to argue with me anymore. Probably cause he knew it would make him look bad and when I wouldn’t drop it he finally had enough and voted me. O

Havo did lie when he said I was better than tunneling and even slipped later and admitted he knew I tunnel I am just wrong all the time according to him.

Havo is scum. Please lynch him tomorrow. Whoever else is town you have disappointed me by ignoring his manipulation.

Good night and depending on what happens when I’m asleep possibly goodbye.

[Chumba]

mod, I’ll be limited for a few days tending to a personal matter. I should still be able to post something daily but if I don’t this is why

[Chumba]

I thought I was getting lynched? I’m not going to be able to continue playing past this day phase and I’d rather not make a replacement come in.

[Chumba]

Yeah that’s what you want. Somebody to hopefully town read you so you can skate by longer. No thanks.

But thanks for confirming I’m town. I appreciate the slip

[Chumba]

Havo confirmed I’m town. Maybe that slip will get me NKd.

[Chumba]

yes, I slipped saying scum havo confirmed i'm town so now they probably have to kill me.

get lost scum.

and yes if we have a vig shoot havo. He just scum slipped. If he is town who thought I was scum, his comment about me replacing out to undo my tunneling and hurting town doesn't make sense.

p.edit Well havo just scum slipped so day 2 should be easy peasy

[Chumba]

Remember Havo thinks I am scum. This statement implies he thinks I am town who is hurting town.

So you’d rather have town lynch a self proclaimed townie, than let a replacement come in and undo your death tunnel and actually help town?

GG

[Chumba]

I love how trying to lynch my scum read is considered toxic. That’s hilarious

I’m not replacing out despite being busy atm. I’ll be less active with is a win I guess since apparently lynching scum reads are toxic. I won’t stop trying to get him lynched though and I’ll be ignoring both havo and tchill.

[Chumba]

False

[Chumba]

Yeah I never threatened to replace out. I may have to replace out for non game related reasons but given my opinion of the game state I should be fine here since it’s mostly solved.

[Chumba]

Yeah I never threatened to replace out. I may have to replace out for non game related reasons but given my opinion of the game state I should be fine here since it’s mostly solved.

[Chumba]

Not to mention it’s really fucking shitty thing to do.