Mini 1991: Taking Justice Into Our Own Hands (Town Win)
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numberq, why are you still voting havo if you feel like there's enough talking points already?
not sure what to make of lexa asking for meta on someone who joined two days ago. i'd want to say that it at least shows they're not scum together, but it's such an out of the blue and weird question that i could see someone asking it about a scum buddy.
by the way, havo has done this l-1 hammer thing in every game i've seen him in – if you want to lynch him for that, it'd be policy. i feel like he's been town so far in his responses.
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you'll quickhammer someone you're not convinced is scum?In post 66, Cedrick wrote:
no I am not convinced he is scumIn post 63, numberQ wrote:Intent to hammer at L-3, beautiful. So you're convinced he's scum? Is that entirely because of the self-vote/self-hammer thing?-
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i mean, you talked a pretty big game about running havo up to l-1 so that we could analyze the wagon and get people's reactions – you've seemed to indicate that there's enough to go on now but you haven't actually taken the initiative and done anything with it yet.-
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numberq, analyzing is exactly what i'm doing – i'm analyzingyou!-
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i'd appreciate if you could explainIn post 75, Lexa wrote:@northsidesegal I don't think I understand the position where your vote on me is coming from so I'm going to ignore that for now
What are your thoughts on users: fitz and riggs, specifically the vote to content pattern of the former and the tone of post #26 for the latteryourthoughts on those people first, because you haven't really said anything about either so far and i don't want to just give you my thoughts for you to just agree with or say that that's what you were thinking.-
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what makes you call him an off-siter and not an alt?In post 81, Lexa wrote:Hello fellow off-siter!
I'm curious why you would be willing to proceed with a quickhammer, neglecting claims and such. I'm not sure I see Havo's willingness to do the same as justification to turbo him off hand
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i don't see anything alignment indicative about riggs' 26 and i'm not sure why this specifically was something that caught your eye as something to be analyzed.In post 83, Lexa wrote:With respect to Riggs I'm trying to determine if his entrance was genuine or not. His #26 seems towny on the surface from a tonal level but it's also the kind of vanilla entrance I've seen scum do practically every game; I'm trying to decide if there's more to read below the surface or not which is why I wanted your thoughts, to see if I was the only one it concerned.
neither of fitz's votes have been naked, even if there wasn't a lot said in either of the posts. i'm also not sure what you mean by him "dropping the pressure voting tack" – clearly his initial vote on you had some reasoning, which he followed up on and described to you.Fitz is on my radar for his curious mode of engagement, entering with the naked RVS vote into the naked vote on me, yet responding to dialogue with me fairly quickly. Usually I'm familiar with people taking one tack or the other, dropping naked votes to pressure people without giving them much to rebut against, probing for reactions, or engaging with them directly to try and suss out their alignment. I don't often see the pressure voting tack dropped so quickly and so I'm wondering if there's more to that pattern. In general nothing he's said has been specifically alignment indicative but his analysis of me was fairly surface level which could be an indicator of scum if he uses future surface level analysis to push for a lynch.-
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Thatwas a naked vote.
"Vote: Luca Blight because i liked his old avatar better" is a random vote, but not a naked one.-
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not that it really matters that much. sorry for tripleposting to make this pedantic point.-
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him calling you an off-siter and not an alt implies information that the rest of us don't have – information that would likely only come from discussion in the scum private thread.In post 104, Cedrick wrote:Why did you feel the need to ask him that? Does it matter if I’m an offsiter or an alt?-
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i recognized that, but i wasn't sure if that's what lexa was going off of, hence my questioning – from his response, that's not what made lexa think he wasn't an alt.In post 112, Awoo wrote: @north: cool observation but 57 & 62
"no one has played with me before" implies "not an alt"
and 81 "hello fellow offsiter!" > 62 & 57
not sure what your last line is supposed to mean.-
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my concerns iwth numberq will be resolved by waiting and observing, not by wagoning, so i'm leaving it alone for now.In post 127, Awoo wrote:ok why is the lexa wagon getting so much momentum but my Q vote & minicase went nowhere
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what difference would it make and how does that make me scummy?In post 182, Cedrick wrote: I can see why you are suspicious of him, but I honestly don’t see anything truly lynch worthy. Tbh I’d be more suspicious of north and maybe rb. I feel like he should have attempted to find out if I was an alt or off-siter first before throwing out the conspiracy theory.
how old is your main account? this is very important.Rb seemingly agreeing with him is also suspicious. North hasn’t been on this site that long, rb has though. For us to be scum together we’d have to have had a conversation before the game started (which we don’t know is possible) and since I wasn’t allowed to post due to a site glitch, I clearly wouldn’t have been able to coordinate anything in that small window. Plus there is the small fact that I’m not scum but clearly nobody is going to take my word for it.
also, *her. "gal" is in my name!-
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i think it's more of a "pointing out an inconsistency" than "why me defense".-
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if that's directed towards me, it answers a very pressing question. i assume it's directed towards cedrick, though.rb wrote:How is the age of an account important
Lots of people are new and good, lots of people are veterans and awful. bad metric never use-
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read the last paragraph of 182 and first imagine that someone you know is a veteran player who's played multiple games before said it, and then imagine that a relatively newer player said it. isn't there a very different outcome depending on which angle you look at it from?
i'm deliberately being obtuse here because i'd rather not say what i'm looking for until cedrick answers.-
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you're not looking hard enough or you're deliberately ignoring what's there.
awoo, seeing what i'm seeing?-
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why assume that whatever i'm talking about has something to do with skill and not something to do with mechanics?In post 203, rb wrote: it really isnt relevant because he could be a shit or a good player regardless of how long hes played
mafia skill is relatively static because it relies a lot on individual personality and thinking patterns, moreso than experience which just helps you understand mechanics or meta people.
its honestly irrelevant and i think this will turn out to be useless, and im finding your scumhunting weak and i wanna lynch you toOOOOooooOooo-
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i'm literally telling you right now that it does. in fact, i'm done being coy about this. Townslip denied.In post 226, Cedrick wrote:The age of my account doesn’t actually answer any pressing questions. It’s irrelevant to this game so we can move on from it.
You quite clearly have enough experience to know that scum get pregame chat in every game, or at the very least all normal games. I don't buy this.In post 182, Cedrick wrote:I can see why you are suspicious of him, but I honestly don’t see anything truly lynch worthy. Tbh I’d be more suspicious of north and maybe rb. I feel like he should have attempted to find out if I was an alt or off-siter first before throwing out the conspiracy theory. Rb seemingly agreeing with him is also suspicious. North hasn’t been on this site that long, rb has though. For us to be scum togetherand since I wasn’t allowed to post due to a site glitch, I clearly wouldn’t have been able to coordinate anything in that small window. Plus there is the small fact that I’m not scum but clearly nobody is going to take my word for it.we’d have to have had a conversation before the game started (which we don’t know is possible)
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not sure why people purport to know what is and isn't relevant when they don't even know what i'm talking about, but it gets me slightly, perhaps irrationally angry.-
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by the way, your criticism of me making the point about you possibly being aligned before asking you yourself whether or not you're an alt hold literally no weight, given that you were the one to askmeto explain my reasoning on why i asked lexa the question.youare the reason why i shared that piece of information, not sure you can criticize me for sharing it.-
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Like here's the timeline of events there:
1) I ask lexa to clarify his "off-siter" comment because i feel like it could come from pregame chat between you to as scumbuddies
2) He clarifies that it was just an assumption
3) You ask me why I asked lexa the initial question
4) I share my reasoning from line 1
5) You say that i'm scummy for giving 4 without asking you whether or not you're an alt first, despite the fact that you are the reason why i shared 4 and despite the fact that you deliberately didn't answer the question in 104-
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Fine, i'll admit the vote came from my pride and indignation at other people implying that i had nothing when they didn't even know what i meant.
VOTE: Lexa
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The reason i was citing was entirely game relevant. i was asking about your experience level to determine if the comment came from genuine inexperience or a fake attempt at a townslip.-
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I did explain it.In post 241, rb wrote:
So explain it.In post 230, northsidegal wrote:not sure why people purport to know what is and isn't relevant when they don't even know what i'm talking about, but it gets me slightly, perhaps irrationally angry.
This seems an absurd reaction to the chain of events, and since Cedrick is denying any revealing how old his account is, you can just say what you were going for.
It's not a mistake, it's a comment that I don't think an experienced player makes genuinely.In post 242, rb wrote:
Why is it a fake townslip and not a real one, do experienced players not make mistakes?In post 239, northsidegal wrote:The reason i was citing was entirely game relevant. i was asking about your experience level to determine if the comment came from genuine inexperience or a fake attempt at a townslip.
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the only reason i've kept talking about it is because others have kept bringing it up. I really didn't mean to harp on it so much.-
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this feels like a really weird thing to say. why bother just announcing this rather than doing something in relation to lexa or putting on pressure yourself? you ask so many other questions, why not question lexa about the scum on his wagon or the speed of it or whatever the same way you did with havo?In post 260, numberQ wrote:Also I'm interested in Lexa's reaction to being at L-1. If you weren't under pressure with Mumble's vote, surely you are now.
also, if you don't think that the argument that you're asking questions for the sake of asking questions is invalid and if you actually care about getting answers to them, you should probably show some sign that you notice when people just flat out ignore your questions like rb did to this question:-
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can you clarify why what he's doing is scum searching for reasons and not just sorting low content slots? from what i understand you're saying that the answers to his questions don't actually help him to sort people, but i didn't really get the same feeling looking over his posts and i'd like to hear this in more specifics from you. what i would levy against numberq is asking questions that he doesn't care about the answers to, not whose answers are meaningless.In post 262, Awoo wrote: Q is desperately searching for reasons to forge brand new scumreads on low content slots. scum throwing suspicion where there is nullness.
The response to this is "I am just trying to sort low content slots and increase content ... etc...????" which is why it's a safe move even if it gets called out. This is not a valid response because "this post feels weird", use of unlikely incriminating hypothetical in response to 228, another useless question over semantics in 244. Yes it is asking for clarification on something. But what is the answer going to be to something like this? You can't quantify "stock". Stuff like this doesn't help you sort slots.
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awoo, can you explain your read on lexa? i feel like you've kind of been skirting around that slot the entire game and there are things that stick out as slightly unnatural in the way that it happened. you come off of the mumble/lexa interaction thinking this:
and then just a bit later you switch your vote from q to mumble with this justification.In post 167, Awoo wrote:Don't like lexa's new vote either. Reads pretty "I have been cornered into doing this". Also doesn't make sense as a vote in the first place when alex's opener says "im busy right now". Town doesn't get cornered into doing things for fear of contradicting themselves, town does whatever the hell they want and can get away with it 'cause their PM is green.
And when I look at the exchange its makes sense from a "lexa is informed and knows mumble is town already" perspective.
162 kinda implies you think (already know?) mumble is town when you tell him how to approach this situation from a town POV, seems strange given the exchange that just happened, he just misrepped and pushed a false narrative on you FYPOV (ignoring the content of my post lol, thats why its from your POV) why do you speak to him like he's town?
Maybe lexa is scum?In post 201, Awoo wrote: I don't particularly like either of the people voting him. Also what luca said about mumble +1, but we all need to see more of mumble/lexa before making better reads, 'cause like I said that sort of interaction is just going to serve to make both sides look scummy. +1 to cedrick for looking out for fake aggression, mafia does that for sure.
VOTE: mumble -- Q hasn't posted in a while I gotta stay current. This looks good so far
rb - is Lexa VS mumble TvT, SvT, TvS, SvS? Your posts make it hard to discern what you are reading, please comment on this.
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here's an interesting replace in.
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oh, numberq replaced out before he could answer me.-
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could you explain that fitz placement? is that just in relation to lexa's slot? because i've got fitz as kind of confidently town here – i had him pegged as scum really early on day one in the last game we played together and so far this isn't feeling like that in the slightest.
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didn't really seem forced to me, nor did it seem like a scumread that anyone would reasonably pass off as serious.In post 319, Awoo wrote: NOW I WILL ANSWER NSG!!!!!!!!!
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I believe the intent of these posts is (throwing suspicion/scouting out mislynch targets) because of the attitude and language he uses with respect to these slots. I will demonstrate below.
Taken from 260
Unfunny forced humor calling a low content (At the time) slot scum.(Lexa and Alex are anagrams of each other, scumteam confirmed)
i don't really see what you're saying about the way he's talking about a nullread – nothing seems off there to me. also, why is this specifically throwing suspicion rather than raising a genuine concern?
Is this how you talk about a slot that is "kind of null"? Throwing suspicion (1).Kind of null to me. He's making some relevant observations, but that's pretty much all they are.I'm not seeing any real analysisfrom his posts.His read on rb in 178 is especially hilarious- he says rb's posting is very surface level, butI haven't seen any better from Luca himselfin his 4 posts.
i agree with this, though.
I've already expressed my concerns, this line is 100% trash just asking questions for its own sake.Bold part is from me, what makes the observation worthwhile if it's not worth putting stock in? How much stock is the limit before it starts getting ridiculous?
not much else to respond to in the rest of the post so i'm omitting it. the colored stars were cool, though.-
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so what's this fun thing that you're talking about?-
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let's see here. i know the game started and got to a good number of pages before i even checked it, so thinking back i'm pretty sure it all started out with havo doing his hammer l-1 thing and then numberq running him up based on that, asking a lot of questions. lexa was there, awoo as well i think. i came in around page 5 i think and began by questioning numberq abouthisquestioning, conversation didn't end up going anywhere really but i left it wanting to wait and see if numberq would actually come to any conclusions from his questions or just keep asking them to look busy. probably nothing really important happened for a few pages and then mumble entered the thread ...
oh wait, i think in that time i had my whole thing on cedrick and the "scumslip" or whatever. maybe that happened after the mumble thing. anyways, mumble entered the thread, voted lexa, they got into a whole argument that lasted a few pages.
after that, rb asked me a lot of stupid questions i think or just bothered me a lot, awoo came in stronger with the numberq scumread, alex did something maybe, and ....
kind of blanking at the end there. someone said i was disappointing them in my play, one of the few things that people can say to get me upset in mafia. then i think you replaced in.-
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he can confirm or deny whether i'm representing this accurately but he came out of rvs with a scumread on someone way stronger than it had any business being for the reason that he had (self-voting in rvs), and he was wallposting responses which almost50 said that he's never seen town fitz do before. basically, he fabricated a read on someone and faked conviction in it, and i just don't see the same style or mindset in his play this game (kind of the opposite, really).In post 403, Eddie Cane wrote:I really don't like Fitz, land I'm not the biggest fan of Havo and Mumble either. I joined for Lexa and RB being in a game together, a rare commidity. I was in the last rendition. What was different with his scum play there? I don't know him well enough to meta read him.-
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i think i read a game with him in it before my first game even started, and otherwise i'm only familiar with him from reading back through the bans / "stop getting banned" thread.-
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null, really. i felt like a lot of his questioning was pointless but nothing really stood out to me as overtly scummy.In post 416, Eddie Cane wrote:does that affect the "annoyed" part? more importantly, what's your read on the slot rn? it's probably my weakest TR but i do really want him to be town and his posting aligned with me at the earlier parts.-
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not pointless in a scummy "asking questions to ask questions" way, just pointless in a "totally misses the point of what i'm saying" way.
still have lexa scum, fitz town, havo seemed like town, luca too (although he seems to have changed his style so not sure on that one), mumble as townlean for things that come to mind immediately. otherwise the read either doesn't come to mind, isn't meaningful enough to be worth mentioning or is a ~secret~!!!-
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this is the first time i've ever been busy to this point before. i can still try to catch up or i can ask to be replaced, whichever you'd all prefer.-
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while i'm here should probably UNVOTE:-
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i'm about familiar with both of the claims, the switch onto riggs and loosely familar with a lot of conversation regarding cedrick.-
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okay, going to catch up from about page 34.
could you clarify what you're referring to here with "waiting for answers"? if it's about what i said regarding numberq, waiting for how he would approach the game was the perfect way to resolve the concern that i had with his slot, that he wouldn't actually do anything with the questions that he was asking. as someone who people criticize frequently for "asking pointless questions", i knew that trying to force him to come to conclusions immediately wouldn't really be fruitful.In post 835, rb wrote:the whole thing about 'waiting for answers' is just pointless fluff
she's barely even given opinions or tried to sort anyone, just asks meandering questions and then meanders about the answers
then goes low activity once all pressure on her is gone. she stayed active for as long as it took to not be a viable lynch for the day, then she decided to be inactive and stop scumhunting
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also, real life business is nai. it's actually hilarious to say that i "decided to be inactive".
this i agree with, however. like, i understand the baseline "this slot has had very little content" but that feels like a very weak or easy leap to make from people searching for a wagon after the lexa / mumble claims.
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lol, sometimes i'm reading through, get distracted or otherwise click away and when i come back i think for a second that i'm reading eddie's iso.
page 35, mumble hesitating on joining the wagon is towny.
"gal" is in my name!In post 865, Awoo wrote:nsg might be scum by the way hes shes? not done a lot and thats bad for nsg last time i saw her him she he obvtowned then got killed n1 open 695. kinda did some weird defending self and flocked off. look into it later stay on gnr now, keep waiting for eddie to X(
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oh, you're right, hadn't fully comprehended that he was l-1.
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like rb's 906, that's something that i noticed as well.
page 38 – i agree with luca but i don't exactly townread him any more for the whole debate.
i think hesitance in general on the riggs wagon is more towny than not but it's less so than before when i thought he wasn't at l-1.Luca Blight wrote:
So how does that affect your view of Mumble's hesitancy? Is it still townie?In post 999, northsidegal wrote:oh, you're right, hadn't fully comprehended that he was l-1.
is gnr your top scumread, luca?
Riggs is my best best to flip scum. I think it's likely one of the pr claims are scum, but I'm not entirely sure which one.-
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because it doesn't take a green role pm to be correct in a debate. i do, however, townread you for the observation (631) in the first place. if i had to describe my read on you it would be "null-town".-
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oh yeah, i had read that but never actually posted about it. this is mostly just a reflection of my reads before that event but i think mumble's claim makes a lot more sense from a town perspective whereas lexa's counterclaim and the way he went about that seemed more just trying to get mumble killed and the confidence that he had that mumble was lying didn't make a lot of sense, although obviously just waiting should resolve this (granted, i did just lose an open to a fakeclaiming scum where i wanted to lynch him but everyone else said that it would resolve itself – it never did).-
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don't really have anything strong pinging me one way or the other on cedrick. i'm sure if i were to reread the thread more closely trying to read him specifically i could come up with something but as i'm responding to this now i just don't have a lot to say.In post 1008, Luca Blight wrote:Thoughts on Cedrick and Fitz would be good as well.
You had Fitz as 'confidently Town' earlier, has that view changed after that back and forth?
as for fitz, i was about to restate my townread on him but then i clicked on his iso to look for that interaction and found this:
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so i'm pretty much rescinding what i said before about the lack of extreme confidence being more likely town.
the contexts are completely different. a watcher claim both demands more immediate attention from scum if town, has results that are harder to fake than the scum's fakeclaimed role in that other game, and i expect this game for there to be some other role to figure out if lexa is lying (not so in the open game).In post 1009, Luca Blight wrote:
So what makes you think the situation will resolve itself, given you just had a game where this didn't happen?In post 1007, northsidegal wrote:oh yeah, i had read that but never actually posted about it. this is mostly just a reflection of my reads before that event but i think mumble's claim makes a lot more sense from a town perspective whereas lexa's counterclaim and the way he went about that seemed more just trying to get mumble killed and the confidence that he had that mumble was lying didn't make a lot of sense, although obviously just waiting should resolve this (granted, i did just lose an open to a fakeclaiming scum where i wanted to lynch him but everyone else said that it would resolve itself – it never did).
Your tone reads really indifferent here, like 'meh, I'll just go along with the popular opinion'.
i have nothing to say to the second line – i'm going along with the majority opinion because i think it's the correct course of action.-
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maybe going to stop reading for now, will likely go to sleep soon and i'm probably no longer really processing what i'm reading.-
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