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no because the game just started. what effort are you expecting from him this far?In post 47, Enter wrote:General lack of effort. And gut reasons that I don't fully have words for yet. Want to join me?-
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well when I’m tired I can lay down and still browse the thread. Don’t feel like sitting at a laptop/desktop all the timeIn post 57, Papa Zito wrote:
Chara's 22 but it turns out I did, indeed, miss something.In post 29, skitter30 wrote:
what was this referring to?In post 26, Papa Zito wrote:Am I missing something
My internet connection is out at home so I was reading this on mobile. I dunno why people actually prefer tiny screens to desktops with keyboards.
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In post 65, Papa Zito wrote:Hey mcqueen.
Did you know there's a viable Enter wagon happeningright now
So I’m somehow now required to vote? Lol, I kid.In post 67, Enter wrote:
You seem to have pretty strong feelings without dropping a vote. Interesting.In post 64, mcqueen wrote:it only takes a few posts for someone to indicate they have every intention of nitpicking throughout the game, too
I just didn’t feel a vote was necessary. I think I got the point across.
Plus, I kind of wanted to spur some interaction between myself and Almost50 for a moment, thus why I kept my RVS vote.-
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nope, I’ve heard great things about them (Chara, too), so I wanted to potentially get a conversation going.In post 69, skitter30 wrote:i think implosion is kinda townie
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this feels like .... weirdly accusatory and relies on assumptions that i'm not sure are, like, validIn post 38, Enter wrote:Would you like to explain why you are making statements (which are far more in opposition of open discussion than asking questions)?
ie you seem to be calling him out for making statements because they are 'far more in oposition of open discussion than asking questions', which is a dubious statement, and you seem to fault him for doing so, and i'm not sure why you are really
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no offense but this doesn't seem like a real thought; accusing someone for general lack of effort when the game has barely started and is on page2 is kinda ridiculousIn post 47, Enter wrote:General lack of effort.And gut reasons that I don't fully have words for yet. Want to join me?
does this only apply to bef? does anyone else satisfy the criteria for 'general lack of effort?'
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fair enough, fair enoughIn post 57, Papa Zito wrote:Chara's 22 but it turns out I did, indeed, miss something.
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uh no? people can enjoy rvs and meme a bit for a few posts and become serious later on? i would actually argue that rvs posts are not particularly indicative for long-term gamesolving effortsIn post 63, Enter wrote:
Why? It only takes a few posts for someone to indicate they have no intention of scum hunting.In post 61, mcqueen wrote:give the man time? we’re two pages in. why are you so desperate to push something that’s hardly there?
it is for some people obviously, but i don't think that two rvs posts consisting of literally the first post in the game and saying 'hi' to someone else on the first couple of pages really belies a lack of intent to scumhunt, and i think it's kinda misleading/straw-man-y/idk the right word to present bef's posts in this fashion
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mcqueen is kinda townie too
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pretty sure two of the votes were RVS. it seems like everyone here is just in a rush to get out of RVS, which is understandable, but at the same time, like chill it’ll happen soon enough lol.In post 71, Varsoon wrote:Does A50 usually claim early?
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Why does everyone that builds a case, no matter how big or small, have to place a vote?In post 78, Enter wrote:
Yep. We'll get to them later. You seem like you're building a case. Wanna drop a vote?does anyone else satisfy the criteria for 'general lack of effort?'
Also in the post where you place your vote, please also talk about misrepping me by pretending my first question was serious when I already said it wasn't.-
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I don't know why, but I keep thinking this is an Open game. It's not, and this is interesting. I've never been in a Neighborhood and I really want to beIn post 81, Persivul wrote:I thought he was a newbie being too tryhardy. BUT, I'm in a hood with him (also Papa and Fish) and from interactions there I don't think that's valid.-
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Because calling someone out doesn't always necessarily warrant a vote.In post 83, Enter wrote:Why not?
I just don't understand why you've now asked two people for a vote, when your wagon is already at 4, which, although not close to lynch, is a sizable amount for 4 pages.-
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also, yeah this is a good reply. you’re town for nowIn post 86, Persivul wrote:
It helps later with VCA.In post 82, mcqueen wrote:Why does everyone that builds a case, no matter how big or small, have to place a vote?-
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Sorry for the big block quote, I was answering this as my laptop died (I’m on mobile now). Literally any of his posts where he shades BEF for not doing anything, like 2 pages in.In post 96, Almost50 wrote:
OK, so your voting him because he's NOT a newbie? In other words, you would have given him some slack had he been a newbie, but you're not accepting his play as an experienced player?In post 95, Persivul wrote:
It came up in the hood. It's an alt. He's tr1ckster, aka extrapolated eagle. I saw that he replaced into a newbie slot in a newbie game, but that's allowed if no real newbie replacements are available.In post 91, Almost50 wrote:@Percy:
Does this phrasing tell you he's a newbie or an old player with a new alt?In post 27, Enter wrote:I haven't played enough recently
Spoiler: @ Percy
Pf course, I could go with "there's no resistance to the wagon" to try and defend Enter, but I'd be a hypocrite because I actually do NOT have a read on Enter, and because early flash-wagons have netted us scum at least twice before (iirc those were games with Mathdino), so I;m neither for nor against the wagon on Enter.. until I get to understand it (ir until he gives me something to sink my teeth into).
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@Everyone voting Enter (aside from Percy, obviously): Please ISO him and let me know which post(s) make him a good lynch to you.-
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I liked the reply. It’s not amazing, but early on it just seemed directly genuine. (No beating around the bush) Obviously it’s still early, but what’s wrong with that giving me town vibes for the moment?In post 104, implosion wrote:mcqueen's run-up to his vote is also a bit weird. And I don't see how he's calling Persivul town in 89.
I was hesitant to vote but people kept hounding me for not doing so. It was a bit awkward, but I decided to throw my vote out there.-
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I mean it’s clear I was pushing Enter, regardless, so the vote doesn’t mean much right now. As skitter said, it’s still very early. Had he not already had multiple votes on him, I may have been quicker to place one.In post 106, mcqueen wrote:
I liked the reply. It’s not amazing, but early on it just seemed directly genuine. (No beating around the bush) Obviously it’s still early, but what’s wrong with that giving me town vibes for the moment?In post 104, implosion wrote:mcqueen's run-up to his vote is also a bit weird. And I don't see how he's calling Persivul town in 89.
I was hesitant to vote but people kept hounding me for not doing so. It was a bit awkward, but I decided to throw my vote out there.-
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i mean A50 did say his intent to hammer was a joke, so there’s that.In post 114, Varsoon wrote:UNVOTE:
Can you explain what makes a wagon relevant
'cus I'd say yours being at L-2 when I voted made it incredibly relevant.
I still don't know why a lot of people started voting you, but apparently you're in a neighborhood? Does that have to do with it?
@Chara: Why not A50, who threatened to hammer?
Feels like you might be tilting a bit much here.
I still don't understand why Enter's wagon flew up to L-2 so fast, but Enter seeming to have hard dodged that made me want to put real pressure there. I trusted we wouldn't have a Boonskies situation and see a quickhammer.-
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i mean, there is certainly the possibility. i’m not sure what you’ve said in your PT, but if you’re not masons, my initial intuition would be to trust no one. as you develop reads in the game, it’s possible to rule people out, but still be careful as to what information you give up. basically the same as the main thread, lol.-
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I mean I tend to vote as necessary. I made an RVS vote. I just chose to be sparse because, to reiterate, it was clear who I was pressuring. Is the point of a vote, if not to lynch, to apply pressure? If that’s already there, is a vote obligatory?In post 124, redtea wrote:Is it "fashionably late" if both the term and trueness of it is at least a decade and a half out of style?
As far as bailing on wagons goes, well one person doing so is fine, as L-1 is pretty dangerous. But at a safer L-2, why did you unvote, Varsoon? Could have let some of that pressure linger a bit.
@mcqueen, are you usually sparse with your votes? I'm not exactly trigger happy myself but RVS is RVS, and if you have a halfway decent reason to vote anyway, why not? Are you unsure of something?
also, with so many people in the neighborhood, there is almost definitely at least one scum (or possible other faction), unless the mod just wanted to mess with us.-
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i’m not sure I understand the first sentence. it’s the way it’s worded. Can you rephrase, please?In post 126, implosion wrote:I might just be projecting the way I think about reads on mcqueen thinking about it more.
I'm not sure if skitter feels as town as she's supposed to yet? I thought I might have not been able to read her early but I townread her in my second post last game. I think I understand most of where her sentiments are coming from.-
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I’m actually an ascetic bulletproof lynchproof survivor.In post 141, Almost50 wrote:
That'sIn post 110, BrightEyedFish wrote:
A50 hasn't claimed but he has most likely crumbed his role in such a way that none of our feeble minds can see it right now.In post 70, Persivul wrote:A50 hasn't claimed yet, so he's probably 3P.VeryTrue.-
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why are you townreading Enter’s behavior?In post 148, Chara wrote:Persivul needs to be lynched for calling Zito Papa.
Enter should do something besides try to accrue votes because i'm townreading his entire behaviour, but i also don't find it useful at all to actually catching scum. if we're talking about fostering meaningful discussion, having a single wagon is about as boring as it will get.-
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noIn post 158, Enter wrote:To people not taking this seriously, please put me back at L-1. I'd prefer if my wagon consisted of skitter, Varsoon, implosion, McQueen, and Robert2424, but losers can't be choosers, so I'll take what I can get.
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i’ve never seen someone beg for votes as much. maybe his strategy really is to get us to unvote. congratulations, it worked.-
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don’t do itIn post 167, Persivul wrote:
Yes people, put him back there. The histrionics have become annoying.In post 158, Enter wrote:To people not taking this seriously, please put me back at L-1.-
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question; so if at any point during the day you choose to make yourself votesless, any prior votes by you are rendered null?In post 175, Varsoon wrote:I can render myself voteless for the day, yeah.
When I was discussing my PM with the mod, I said I wanted to do it for D1 but since I never sent the action in specifically, he hadn't counted it and now it's been retroactively applied.
maybe I’m overreacting, but does this not sound very manipulative, especially late game?-
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In post 186, mcqueen wrote:
question; so if at any point during the day you choose to make yourself votesless, any prior votes by you are rendered null?In post 175, Varsoon wrote:I can render myself voteless for the day, yeah.
When I was discussing my PM with the mod, I said I wanted to do it for D1 but since I never sent the action in specifically, he hadn't counted it and now it's been retroactively applied.
maybe I’m overreacting, but does this not sound very manipulative, especially late game?
didn’t think of this, was also questioning why he’d want to go voteless.In post 183, Persivul wrote:
I didn't see the point in voluntarily giving up power. After I posted it, I realized it probably triggers some other power, so if you're going to go voteless a day, D1 makes the most sense.In post 182, Varsoon wrote:Having a vote is a huge responsibility man
I wanna see how much I can do without a vote.
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No I meant it’s manipulative if you could choose at any point during the day to activate itIn post 191, Varsoon wrote:
Nah, I have to decide before the day begins.In post 186, mcqueen wrote:
question; so if at any point during the day you choose to make yourself votesless, any prior votes by you are rendered null?In post 175, Varsoon wrote:I can render myself voteless for the day, yeah.
When I was discussing my PM with the mod, I said I wanted to do it for D1 but since I never sent the action in specifically, he hadn't counted it and now it's been retroactively applied.
maybe I’m overreacting, but does this not sound very manipulative, especially late game?
And I fail to see how it's manipulative when I told you outright on D1 this is how my ability works.
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I wanna know why you're confident in Enter being town here. I don't get why the wagon exists or why anyone would hard-town Enter here either.-
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See above.In post 195, skitter30 wrote:
thanks, i was blanking on the game i played iwth town!youIn post 146, implosion wrote:
Diffusion of power.skitter wrote:also which game are you referring to?
also why are you townreading chara?
I liked the questions it was asking/general method of interacting with the game. The read is not especially strong.
i've not seen much ai from chara yet imo, that's why i was asking
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why is this a thing that your'e doing tho?In post 157, Enter wrote:Hmm... it's almost like I goaded people into voting me and then I wasn't surprised when they did.
also why are you townreading red tea?
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i didn't like the lol-l1 (coupled with you disliking how fast the wagon built), but it makes slightly more sense in this contextIn post 176, Varsoon wrote:Anyway, it did get people to react as if I had put an RVS flash-wagon at L-1 so it worked as (sort of) a reaction test. Dunno what that says about Chara and Enter, though.
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i think you might be scum here tbhIn post 177, Almost50 wrote:Listen, mate. I'm crazy and I know it. I am also paranoid in this game. It thus gives me strange ideas why you said that. Iirc, Varsoon is Voteless, so theoretically you may have been informed that a player in the setup is and was wondering if that was me. OF COURSE I could be way off the mark, but I'm just being transparent about my thoughts (something you will rarely see me doing at all)
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how do you think it's manipulative?In post 186, mcqueen wrote:maybe I’m overreacting, but does this not sound very manipulative, especially late game?
If he could change mid day, he could vote and then take it away and someones planning to hammer and be like “lolsike” just seems like a way to bait people like he did today. This isn’t the case, though, again, see above-
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i see why you think this, but it’s something i’d probably never notice on my own. hmm.In post 217, Chara wrote:VOTE: Fish
this is more fun, actually. for 48 and the next three posts in his ISO.
I’ll go back and check but Off memory I’m not sure what softclaim you’re referring to.-
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Here are the quotes:In post 219, Chara wrote:why wouldn't you notice it on your own, if you see what i'm seeing? what are you thinking i'm thinking about it?
Varsoon and i had a short chat about the softclaim.In post 49, BrightEyedFish wrote:
Lack of effort?In post 47, Enter wrote:General lack of effort. And gut reasons that I don't fully have words for yet. Want to join me?In post 51, BrightEyedFish wrote:I'm just giddy to see how you explain this.
Do you see how they're almost bait-like in tone, or maybe more accurately they sound like *trying* to be town. When I read these posts in thread (/not in ISO), they seemed fine alone. BEF was engaging with Enter. But, when they are put in ISO, it's like BEF isn't asking or expecting much from Enter in the first place. Like, I'm not sure I would raise a red-flag until you said something. It's not exactly something I'd be looking for in an ISO this early in the game.In post 53, BrightEyedFish wrote:Are we scum buddies bussing each other or something. I'm lost.
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lolIn post 240, Papa Zito wrote:As the neighborhood seems to serve little purpose, I suggest we simply don't use it so that there's no confusion about what's being said where.-
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?In post 240, Papa Zito wrote:As the neighborhood seems to serve little purpose, I suggest we simply don't use it so that there's no confusion about what's being said where.-
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Alone this (BEF's 53) post seems NAI to me. In ISO, I get where Chara was coming from.In post 242, skitter30 wrote:also i think 53 is kinda townie. i'm not really getting a projection of confidence, it feels kinda townie to me; i also don't really see baiting here-
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Why Robert?In post 254, Enter wrote:Sorry I got a little excited haven't played mafia from the start in a while.
If I could lynch three people right now it would be BEF, Robert2424, Pers
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I'm in the middle of a very-slow catch-up, so maybe this has been addressed already and/or it was obvious at the time of your posting. It's just helpful if you could re-iterate your reasoning, thanks.In post 335, mcqueen wrote:
Why Robert?In post 254, Enter wrote:Sorry I got a little excited haven't played mafia from the start in a while.
If I could lynch three people right now it would be BEF, Robert2424, Pers
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Sorry, but is this a reference to someone in this game?In post 257, Papa Zito wrote:From what I can tell I'm on the same wavelength with His Majesty the King on most everything, which scares me a little bit.-
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I know you already asked him once, and I'm not gonna call you scummy for it, but part of me hates these types of questions. It's just an obvious attempt at a set-up, if not now, later in the game.
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ok time to catch up for real. Some quotes will be from page 10 again because I've read it about 3 times trying to make sure I didn't pass by anything.
I got a little "off" vibes from BEF's post you quoted, but I'm not going to jump the gun and say he's worried. Actually, I'd prefer to assume heIn post 238, Varsoon wrote:Here.
In post 233, BrightEyedFish wrote:ok, here is my synapsis
Player X: Which of you is scum?
Me: Why must one of us be scum.
Enter: Hey, I found scum
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Me: You really SR for that?
Enter: No, I will tunnel you for reactions.
Enter: Yay, chara agrees with me, I can die happy.
Remember this is a paraphrase.wasn't, and push you for saying heis or was. BEF was giving context here as to Enter's pushing of him, and I fail to see why that makes him "worried."
I don't like "why must one of be scum," however, because it's likely there's a scum in a 4 (or 5?; I forgot how many are in it) person neighborhood.-
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can you explain why? I'll ISO him after I'm done, but I'd still like to hear your thoughtsIn post 242, skitter30 wrote:i think redtea is kinda scummy tbh-
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I feel kinda dumb for not piecing this together (I asked, too).In post 264, Papa Zito wrote:
That's Persivul's title.In post 262, skitter30 wrote:
sorry, who is this?In post 257, Papa Zito wrote:From what I can tell I'm on the same wavelength withHis Majesty the Kingon most everything, which scares me a little bit.-
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sameIn post 269, implosion wrote:I could go for a flashwagon on a50. None of his posts yet have really made me feel anything at all.-
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Why not? I'll admit I don't agree with them initially, but when I go back and read I always see where it comes from.In post 276, skitter30 wrote:also i'm not really vibing the chara townreads rn-
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I liked Almost50's early play (his ISO has a few good, content-filled posts), but other than that I just find him messing around and it leans me towards scummy.
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uninterested in skitter's, but I'd jump on A50's as of page 12In post 291, Chara wrote:i am extremely uninterested in both of these wagons.
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no ur not nutsIn post 301, Papa Zito wrote:
So I'm reading this as Enter somehow knowing there are 2 scum in the game.In post 298, Enter wrote:we suspect the other person outside the neighborhood is the other scum
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? When did Chara switch her scumread on BEF (or are you talking about someone else)? What/who is the "=> townread" referring to?In post 333, Enter wrote:
Devil's advocate: Chara switched her scum read because she wanted to be amiable => townread.In post 332, mcqueen wrote:
Alone this (BEF's 53) post seems NAI to me. In ISO, I get where Chara was coming from.In post 242, skitter30 wrote:also i think 53 is kinda townie. i'm not really getting a projection of confidence, it feels kinda townie to me; i also don't really see baiting here-
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@Mod: redtea and skitter are listed twice. Can you update this so it show the correct amount of votes on each wagon? Thanks!
Thank you, fixed.Last edited by Xtoxm on Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:58 am, edited 1 time in total.
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