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I know you CC!In post 57, ClearlyClarity wrote:And all of you seem to know each other. I feel left out-
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If you provide a good reason I'll consider it.In post 77, Irrelephant11 wrote:Ouch but at least you’re joining a wagon
If you L-2 skitter I’ll vote where you ask later (L-2 is currently my goal here, for anyone wondering)-
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A newbie with teacher you repped into, don't remember the date.
Initially I considered you and irrel being partners with irrel attempting to spew you with the wagon down the line, briefly though. Then I considered him being insistent on the wagon to swing it on one of your voters regardless of your alignment but I think he won me over with the explanation of his approach.
Fwiw if he was pushing for pretty much anyone elses wagon I probably would have townread him before his explanation.-
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That makes two of us. However this is a different setting, I'm one of the strongest players she had to face off against and I'd argue most if not all present are better players than me. I don't expect her to panic but I also don't expect her to be so dismissive of early scumreads on her slot. It's not a strong read but my initial impression.
I'm always going to default to town side on slots that try to transition out of rvs unless it's generating social reads, which I didn't get from this game. Plus Shiidaji proposing the persivul/irrel team read townie to me because it's a nontown statement if that makes sense.
What I mean is it's considered antitown to make assumptions around preflip associations and I think Shiidaji is cognizant of that. So at best it's an attention grabbing statement that scum generally avoid. Also it encourages town to consider new perspectives which opens the door for scumhunting even if it isn't directly done by him. I dont know if that was really the intention but that doesn't change my mind all too much.-
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Bad townies can. I do this a fair bit as town.In post 190, Fuscezu wrote:I dont wanna go too far without my P's input, but I feel like it was a 'catch and release' kind of play. He's looking for a good wagon in a scummy way, and made a big deal about unvoting. without immediately revoting, which is always scummy.
A good towny isnt going to unvote even a light scumread for a good post or even a few good ones. He did.-
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Yeah if you're reading Shiidaji scummy then it's implied you think I'm wrong. But that itself doesn't make me wrong.In post 202, Irrelephant11 wrote:
If you’re town I think you’re wrong in townreading Shiidaji for early playIn post 177, RCEnigma wrote:That makes two of us. However this is a different setting, I'm one of the strongest players she had to face off against and I'd argue most if not all present are better players than me. I don't expect her to panic but I also don't expect her to be so dismissive of early scumreads on her slot. It's not a strong read but my initial impression.
I'm always going to default to town side on slots that try to transition out of rvs unless it's generating social reads, which I didn't get from this game. Plus Shiidaji proposing the persivul/irrel team read townie to me because it's a nontown statement if that makes sense.
What I mean is it's considered antitown to make assumptions around preflip associations and I think Shiidaji is cognizant of that. So at best it's an attention grabbing statement that scum generally avoid. Also it encourages town to consider new perspectives which opens the door for scumhunting even if it isn't directly done by him. I dont know if that was really the intention but that doesn't change my mind all too much.
If you’re scum, though, interestingly I think you’re spewing Shiidaji town a little bit here
I guess all I’m saying here is scum!RCE makes me think town!Shii but town!RCE doesn’t affect my Shii read
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Because it was indifferent newb. Which is imo bolder and less likely from someone that may feel outclassed.In post 204, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Talk to me more about CC “town on demeanor” and explain why it’s more likely than “newbscum playing the part of cheerful-newb”In post 165, RCEnigma wrote:With that said I'm on the other side of the fence from both of you since I think CC is probably town on demeanor and I kind of like shiidaji.-
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This was the only post in retrospect. But not attempting to pander to her scumreaders came off town to me.In post 94, ClearlyClarity wrote:three people: -comments on arbitrary scumminess of an innocent intro post-
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No point in answering the first question.In post 82, tris wrote:@Clarity Are you town? And, does anything from anyone stick out to you?
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Ok. What makes them bad?In post 220, Irrelephant11 wrote:Also my point about Shiidaji is not just that I disagree with you about your read on Shii (I don’t feel especially strongly about Shii yet anyway), just that your reasons for townreading Shii are bad imo-
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Oh bother.In post 297, Tet wrote:Last part is a stretch. It's timing, it's really a strange moment for scum to get theory heavy unsolicited or unprompted. He hasn't really had much input since (or at all?) So I don't see him as proactive scum right now, which is really the only thing that would have made me backtrack that read.-
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This isn't going to make much sense but I feel like we have similar thought process' in most cases. So sure you reading me scum was weird but it may be from a small sample size. I figured if you're town you would recognize me as town down the line.
Plus confronting you directly wouldn't give me the kind of read on you that I'm looking for. This doesn't seem like a pressure vote but I also don't consider myself as lhf so I still don't know what the play here is.-
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Fair. I'm kind of out of sync with this game in particular. Couldn't tell you why and I hope it switches around day 2. At least I'll make an effort to improve my input.In post 370, skitter30 wrote:
it's kinda pressure i suppose; or at least a way to start a dialogue so that i can try to sort out if i'm right or wrong hereIn post 345, RCEnigma wrote:This isn't going to make much sense but I feel like we have similar thought process' in most cases. So sure you reading me scum was weird but it may be from a small sample size. I figured if you're town you would recognize me as town down the line.
Plus confronting you directly wouldn't give me the kind of read on you that I'm looking for. This doesn't seem like a pressure vote but I also don't consider myself as lhf so I still don't know what the play here is.
i was kinda expecting some sort of response to me saying taht i was scumreading you, even if it was just 'why' or something
i guess one of the things that feel a little off is that you feel kinda passive? more than i'd expect at least?
I don't necessarily have a read on you either way and a vote on me based on gut doesn't sway me either way, but I'd probably feel that way as either alignment.
The best way to get content out of me would probably be to force it with a legitimate wagon, preferrably before EOD so I don't get flashlynched without giving my thoughts.
I'm following along with the game so I know what's going on but don't have any strong feelings, I have reason to believe ceejay may be town, I still think CC is town and that's about it.
If the hill I die on is my Shiidaji read directly following rvs then I find it incredibly weak and a probable point for scum to sow doubt. No one's really asked but no I don't really have Shiidaji as town anymore following his absence. Scumreading him on an activity rep out feels dumb though.
Oh insomnia is probably town as well, he would be my Fringe read however.-
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If I don't have to, no not really.In post 525, tris wrote:
Do you want to say more on this?In post 432, RCEnigma wrote:I have reason to believe ceejay may be town-
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Irrel in particular, I haven't gotten anything that tells me he's town. Initially I tried to put it off because I tend to avoid omgus type reads. They tend to be biased.In post 497, skitter30 wrote:whoops, didn't finish the post.
@ rce:
and i know that town!you is fully capable of good!posting, and nothing youv'e posted thus far really feels that way to me rn
and yeah i'm starting to see if i can get a wagon going; i'm hoping doing so will provide some interesting insight into the gamestate, which feels kinda ~stagnant~, and if you think that'll make you do ai things, even better
do u think scum is pushing u for your shiidaji read? if so, who in particular do u think is doing this?
But things like his player by player reads to cut town out of a Poe is??? I think Fusco is probtown for thinking along the same lines.
So I ask myself why scum would do it:
- looks busy
- gives scum a general idea of who is bussable/mislynchable today/savable today.
- town cred
The problem is I haven't gotten anything out of it, it's basically a culmination of ISOs to point out what he thinks is good or scummy but the analysis isn't there. The questions are more for others to generate the content but irrel posed the questions so he gets the town cred for pushing discussion.
I was around when he started this and is exactly why I avoided engaging with it.
That said I don't think it was a scum theater thing with Chara so they at least aren't together.
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I also don't know who is voting me besides irrel/Tris/Skitter. On the other hand slots have been posturing without voting afaik so scum has already designated me as mislynchable.
I don't think Scum!Skitter pushes me as scum here knowing I have the potential to speed my slot as town but the accountability for my flip would probably be handed to her regardless.-
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You were already voting me. I don't know your history with irrel or persivul but I would assume those are the only other slot you would stay away from as scum.In post 546, skitter30 wrote:
Uhhhhh this is a really weird post given that you basically just asked me to wagon you ....In post 544, RCEnigma wrote:I also don't know who is voting me besides irrel/Tris/Skitter. On the other hand slots have been posturing without voting afaik so scum has already designated me as mislynchable.
I don't think Scum!Skitter pushes me as scum here knowing I have the potential to speed my slot as town but the accountability for my flip would probably be handed to her regardless.-
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Yeah I mean I guess it would be different if it were an active game.In post 552, Persivul wrote:
How about the fact that he's one of the few who's interested in actually keeping the game moving?In post 543, RCEnigma wrote:Irrel in particular, I haven't gotten anything that tells me he's town.-
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Do you mean your reads changed on Chara and Shiidaji? I don't recall you pushing Chara. Plus the way you phrased the Shiidaji read leaves it open to flip if the replacement looks lynchable.In post 554, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Obviously this sounds different coming from me but I agree wholeheartedlyIn post 545, skitter30 wrote:I dont really get why people dont like irrel's posting tbh
It’s not like this game has extremely scummy lynch candidates rn so my D1 goal is a good PoE (I can provide meta of me doing this at least once before). I obviously didn’t finish since I only had time for four slots but like since when is reading ISO’s and coming away with reads scummy? Like call it NAI busywork if you *really* want me to stay lynchable but my reads changed on two of the four players I’ve reread and I feel I’ve provided good points for why skitter is town, why Shiidaji might actually be town, etc.
I don’t like that fuscezu and RCE are scumreading me for, well, basically just scumhunting and playing the game. Feels like they’re hoping to be townread for the audacity to call one of the townier players scum
I get you aren't being lynched, Skitter asked me specifically out of the players pushing my Shiidaji defense and I answered the who and why.-
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Through the slots that interact with the reads. Players are going to give their own opinion on what they think is wrong, why X slot isn't actually scummy etc. Etc.In post 566, tris wrote:
How does scum giving their own reads do this?In post 543, RCEnigma wrote: - gives scum a general idea of who is bussable/mislynchable today/savable today.
Then they can decide where they can pivot or push. Insomnia wasn't in the game at the time Lycan did this in schadds scumstomp normal but he replaced in towards the end. It's not dissimilar to Lycan's puppetstring approach. I probably wouldn't link the game since it's a cringeread but the mafia pt would give a general idea of what I'm talking about.
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Yes, to the last part specifically. I can ride on an early townspew, that might be outside of the meta regarding the games we've played together though.In post 577, skitter30 wrote:
i don't really get how what you said here follows from what i said but okIn post 555, RCEnigma wrote:
You were already voting me. I don't know your history with irrel or persivul but I would assume those are the only other slot you would stay away from as scum.In post 546, skitter30 wrote:
Uhhhhh this is a really weird post given that you basically just asked me to wagon you ....In post 544, RCEnigma wrote:I also don't know who is voting me besides irrel/Tris/Skitter. On the other hand slots have been posturing without voting afaik so scum has already designated me as mislynchable.
I don't think Scum!Skitter pushes me as scum here knowing I have the potential to speed my slot as town but the accountability for my flip would probably be handed to her regardless.
i think scum!me might try to pick a fight with persi, probably wouldn't with chara; i probably don't win that i think
also we established that i'm pushing you to try to get you to spew as town if you are so are you saying that you think scum!me just doesn't do this because i wouldn't want you to spew yourself as town?-
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*Wishes on a star*In post 613, tris wrote:Hope this slot is town.-
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This isn't accurate meta, it was an outlier solely because Nero and I don't mesh well. AtE should never be the go to.In post 665, insomnia wrote:I just went back to catch up and saw you asking me if Smile is my strongest scum read, yes.
As for reading RCE I’ve already addressed it, I’ll never be able to read him, I only read him when he gets to like at L-1 and starts raging because of it, his tone can give him away while on the chopping block.
Having stronger players like Skitter and whoever’s left to determine his alignment if they have Meta with him is better as it generates info, if they misrep his meta then they have high scum equity, so I’ll just do that.-
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It's a small sample size from FL at this point. Like he said I tend to read him well but I'm not a wizard, I don't get an instant read on him and probably won't before day 3. I would say day 2 but the late rep in and my disinterest in this day 1 play in.
I will say that a good tipoff is not to read into what FL says, just what he does. The approach I take with most reads and probably why I invoked the ire of an elephant.-
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So not that I've done anything scummy, but that I've not done enough tonight. That sounds null but ehh.In post 772, Irrelephant11 wrote:I would still lynch RCEnigma btw the towniest thing about him was the fact he had a completely crap reason to scumread me
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Shotgun reads, CC for today/insomnia/Skitter/fusc
The rest are like null or nonreads.
Smile probably does soft defend me if they feel I'm going down today via compromise or whatever the case may be.
I'm at an impasse with you (irrel) since I only really see you with slots like mkm/CC/ceejay. Some kind of composition you would feel the need to over perform with.
But I also feel like you may just be one of the kind of players I don't mesh well with personally, which is why I made the Thor connection.-
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If I had to quick fire my townreads the first line would be my town block.In post 787, insomnia wrote:I didn't get the whole first line tbh-
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So I'm not incentivized to defend FL here but it's likely the worst Lynch for day 1 at least. I think persi voting there is town however, I'd prefer targeting scumreads over a slot that may not be a threat to town in the first place.
VOTE: Tris you've convinced me that you're town but not really that Tris is scum but I'll sheep it.-
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It's not relevant to this game except that I've seen poor early claims out of you. I'm not worried about you being 3p if we can mutually benefit by having you around. But I think persivul is town.In post 852, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Disagree. I’ve been scum with him before. He knows I don’t post like this, and this is way different than OK2, so idk why you’re pushing it like it’s At all similar. Those were clearly joke posts.In post 850, RCEnigma wrote:I was in OK2 with you where you claimed scum like 5 posts in but that's neither here nor there. The way persi framed his day 1 play, the low info gamestate, and compromising for a Lynch on someone he knows isn't town versus someone he hopes isn't town all point town.-
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That was to Persi. I didn't know you were voting Tris. It basically comes down to Tris being in my null piling and trusting that Persivuls push comes from town over scum. Not that I necessarily read them as scummy.In post 863, skitter30 wrote:
uhhhhhhIn post 831, RCEnigma wrote:So I'm not incentivized to defend FL here but it's likely the worst Lynch for day 1 at least. I think persi voting there is town however, I'd prefer targeting scumreads over a slot that may not be a threat to town in the first place.
VOTE: Trisyou've convinced me that you're town but not really that Tris is scum but I'll sheep it.
is this talking to me?
this is ... not a good vote
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They were games I followed to varying degrees. She's noticeably more comfortable in her newbie games. But it's an apples to oranges comparison since she's a newer player. Jumping into a different queue is daunting. Also I do believe she's rolled scum more than town afaik so comparing directly would probably be more favorable to her if there are deviations.In post 879, skitter30 wrote:ok i was wondering because it looked like you posted in a few of the newbie games i just skimmed
how do you think her personality here comapres to her personality in that game? and her content here vs her content in that game?-
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Still on page 38. I don't want to come around to irrel just bring town, I've been on the opposite side if all his reads up to this point afaik. So I either have really terrible reads or he's likely scum putting the game in his hands right?
But I agree with the assessment on CC though I wouldn't doubt her to placate town voices if she's scum. Also agree on the FL assessment, he's not going anywhere, it's not an immediate issue.
Didn't dive too deep into smiles case on fusco whom I think is town. I remember thinking smile was indirectly deflecting from CC with the vote and even though I think CC is town... It's a believable team.-
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Yeah this is only recently. Only after pushing me as scum the other half of the day and vice versa.In post 1027, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Sounds like we agree on CC, FL, fuscezu, and smile. What reads are we on opposite sides of?In post 1023, RCEnigma wrote:Still on page 38. I don't want to come around to irrel just bring town, I've been on the opposite side if all his reads up to this point afaik. So I either have really terrible reads or he's likely scum putting the game in his hands right?
But I agree with the assessment on CC though I wouldn't doubt her to placate town voices if she's scum. Also agree on the FL assessment, he's not going anywhere, it's not an immediate issue.
Didn't dive too deep into smiles case on fusco whom I think is town. I remember thinking smile was indirectly deflecting from CC with the vote and even though I think CC is town... It's a believable team.
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