VOTE: Venus Fly Trap
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In post 19, Kismet wrote:I've played w/ the majority of this plist, including you, and if this alt isn't burned by page 20 i'll be very surprised.
In post 47, Kismet wrote:whatIn post 44, Salsabil Faria wrote:If you're an alt, then your 5 is a lie??
In post 58, Nachomamma8 wrote:We don't have to kill him to win. If he's scum we only have one day to get a sweet point out of him.In post 56, Kismet wrote:We literally don't even have to kill him to win. I'm having a hard time seeing where you're going with this.In post 54, Nachomamma8 wrote:I mean if something better comes up I'm all for it but as for right now we know that we're taking an L on Not_Mafia if town eventually (maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually) - if he's mafia then we have one shot and one shot only to kill him and that's right this second.
In post 63, Nachomamma8 wrote:This is a convoluted play if Salsa is scum here.In post 51, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 47, Kismet wrote:whatIn post 44, Salsabil Faria wrote:If you're an alt, then your 5 is a lie??You said on your post 5 that you never played in this setup but you're an alt, right? If so, then you may actually played in this setup before just not from this current account?
The chances of Not_Mafia being scum and us having to hit him today rise.
In post 68, Venus Fly Trap wrote:Wrt to salsa i think he's saying he's getting town glimmers from her so she isnt going to be the 'easy flip to get a point' if scum the same way he's viewing nm apparently, but i dont really agree with him that this is the best way to use today and/or to handle nm
In post 74, Venus Fly Trap wrote: Also salsa that was abt u
In post 67, Nachomamma8 wrote:In the context in which I used it, it means to send. Sending someone to sleep means killing them.In post 66, Salsabil Faria wrote:Btw, I've a question in my mind for some days, but keep forgetting about it. I remember now so will ask here....
What doesship someone(or the spelling is sheep??) mean? I googled it but couldn't understand properly.
In post 79, Nachomamma8 wrote:Notsci please @ me when you're also townreading salsa
In post 95, Infinity 324 wrote:To sheep someone is to trust their read on someone.In post 66, Salsabil Faria wrote:Btw, I've a question in my mind for some days, but keep forgetting about it. I remember now so will ask here....
What doesship someone(or the spelling is sheep??) mean? I googled it but couldn't understand properly.
In post 98, Venus Fly Trap wrote:policy elims are bad. policy elims on NM are bad. policy elims on NM in this setup are bad. we should just kill the person we think is most likely to be scum.
- lilith
In post 102, Infinity 324 wrote:I think salsa is towny too,
In post 106, Infinity 324 wrote:Sorry, it's not what nacho said but if you wanted to know what "sheep" means there you go.In post 103, Salsabil Faria wrote:Oh, that's totally different from what Nachomamma8 said!
In post 109, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:hey vft
if you had to vote someone right now and that would decide the elim for today, who would you vote?
~leaf
In post 88, Salsabil Faria wrote:Eh, I don't like this vote.
UNVOTE: Venus Fly Trap
VOTE: Disaster Cartel
In post 240, SirCakez wrote:I will sheep this in lack of something betterIn post 88, Salsabil Faria wrote:Eh, I don't like this vote.
UNVOTE: Venus Fly Trap
VOTE: Disaster Cartel
still reading
VOTE: disaster cartel
In post 278, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:I'd be voting for this slot if it wasn't for this post ngl.
I find everything they are doing is just them existing and vibing rather than actually playing the game.
Which just reads like scum going through the motions waiting for something easy to grab onto.
I can elaborate in 4 days I guess.
In post 287, SirCakez wrote:DC I will get back to you in a little bitI highly disagree. I see a lot of town motivation in Salsa's play.In post 278, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:I'd be voting for this slot if it wasn't for this post ngl.
I find everything they are doing is just them existing and vibing rather than actually playing the game.
Which just reads like scum going through the motions waiting for something easy to grab onto.
I can elaborate in 4 days I guess.
In post 294, SirCakez wrote:Nacho reacted pretty much how I'd expect him to as scum here
town!Nacho would reach out before immediately diving for an attack I think
In post 1063, Disaster Cartel wrote:also
@salsa: i know you’re having health issues that are leaving you v/la but is there any reason you’ve been active on site everywhere but here over the past few days?
In post 1068, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1063, Disaster Cartel wrote:also
@salsa: i know you’re having health issues that are leaving you v/la but is there any reason you’ve been active on site everywhere but here over the past few days?One game at a time.
In post 317, Kismet wrote:i'm actually pretty flattered being compared w/ any of these reallyIn post 314, Venus Fly Trap wrote:cabd. i think like unwnd > prism > maybe peta
In post 322, Venus Fly Trap wrote:i mean i brought this up way back when but tbh at this point by virtue of the fact that this has become such a divisive issue there would be information on his flip now so :shrug:In post 282, notscience wrote:As a side note I’m a bit confused why those pro-notmaf haven’t brought up that them killing him d1 (assuming he’s scum) would be super low info. It’s always about “CANT LET HIM ESCAPE”
Like I don’t get why the focus is on removing “weak links” rather than limiting how much information actually goes out?
~ skitter
In post 324, Venus Fly Trap wrote:uh so these nacho and sircakez interactions are certainly A ThingIn post 289, Nachomamma8 wrote:Vote: SirCakez
I don't believe his scumread on his disaster and I don't believe his scumread on me. I'll get into it later when I have more time.
~ skitter
In post 328, notscience wrote:I think we're on the same page re:nacho and cakez!
In post 333, Venus Fly Trap wrote:huh she actually has a wider range than i would have guessed, with decent tone + activity
but she's kinda trending towards short declaritive statements/questions and not as much like 'in the moment trying to sort out what she's thinking' if that makes sense. she's almost more definitive/assertive in this scumgame than in the towngame i saw her in.
i was kinda liking her before and still think beeboy's take is kinda bad and like the opposite from how she ought to be read but i'm not as confident as i was before
~ skitter
In post 340, SirCakez wrote:because I can't track things as people are calling out and it's definitely throwing my reads off
too much on my mind these days
In post 351, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:hello
i like vft more for skitter's posting on page 13
i don't like nm hopping in, going "oh yeah there's no way i get eliminated d1", then dipping out
~leaf
In post 354, Disaster Cartel wrote:Bc we get info either way, and this way we’re 1/3 of the way to winning instead of scum being 1/3 of the way to winningIn post 282, notscience wrote:As a side note I’m a bit confused why those pro-notmaf haven’t brought up that them killing him d1 (assuming he’s scum) would be super low info. It’s always about “CANT LET HIM ESCAPE”
Like I don’t get why the focus is on removing “weak links” rather than limiting how much information actually goes out?
And like, we still get standard info from scum making a NK?
I’m not seeing how the info gain is so bad that it’s not worth it if he’s scum
In post 356, Disaster Cartel wrote: Instead of just shutting the fuck up, targeting elsewhere, and then going after NM for not doing anything and potentially having quickhammered in lylo
In post 365, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:i mean basicallyIn post 360, SirCakez wrote:seems like someone who felt like they had to post "content" and threw something out
i signed up to hydra and my partner's barely been playing
so im kinda just coasting b/c im not motivated
~leaf
In post 371, Kismet wrote:Also, happy birthday!
In post 386, Disaster Cartel wrote:ok ok
i should proooobably talk to mena at some point about this game too but i wanna go in on my own first because i’m CLEARLY the better reader out of the two of us
- ydra
In post 407, Disaster Cartel wrote:I would also love to hear thoughts on my point that I think scum are bus!disincentivised unless in a lot of trouble,
-Mena
In post 407, Disaster Cartel wrote:and the fact that there seems to be no appetite for NM is therefore +scum
In post 411, Nachomamma8 wrote:I made that exact point in a post directed at skitter so. I agree with it.In post 407, Disaster Cartel wrote:I would also love to hear thoughts on my point that I think scum are bus!disincentivised unless in a lot of trouble, and the fact that there seems to be no appetite for NM is therefore +scum
-Mena
In post 417, Infinity 324 wrote:I'll rephrase this, I have doubts about being scum but he's still >rand scum which is scummier than NMIn post 400, Infinity 324 wrote:Nacho looks relatively towny from an Objective StandpointTM but I don't have that many doubts about him being scum
In post 421, Kismet wrote:I think it's a fundamentally weak point because it requires that scum came into the game in this headspace and you have no way of testing that assertionIn post 407, Disaster Cartel wrote:I would also love to hear thoughts on my point that I think scum are bus!disincentivised unless in a lot of trouble, and the fact that there seems to be no appetite for NM is therefore +scum
it also relies partially on the alignments of the people pushing n_m so it's something to maybe come back to d2+ at best for me
and mostly....there's just no need to use this as a crutch in lieu of like....getting reads and shit like normal which i kiiiiiiinda feel you've been doing the whole game
In post 451, Disaster Cartel wrote:TentativelyIn post 445, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mena what are your reads?
Notsci — town
Nacho
VFT — lean town
Infinity
BHL — null
Salsa
NM
Bulge
Kismet — lean scum
Cakez
Leafy/glacey
This is without ydra’s input tho, we’ll try to get a unified list up when she’s around later
-Mena
In post 466, Disaster Cartel wrote:Oh it’s bork
In post 468, Kismet wrote:yes.In post 466, Disaster Cartel wrote:Oh it’s bork
and this is kismet:
Spoiler:
In post 479, Venus Fly Trap wrote:cuz sircakez did have a few ok posts last night
Ok later!
~ skitter
In post 480, Infinity 324 wrote:This feels like something scum would say to look like frustrated town, the tone is just...not quite there.In post 458, Nachomamma8 wrote:You're saying I'm not trying to figure his alignment out. Great. I am trying to figure his alignment out - how am I supposed to show that to you? Are the reasons for him being scum unreasonable? Does my push on him fail to outline a scum agenda?
In post 483, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm not sure there's a good approach to this other than just letting it play out - my treatment of Cakez here is an anomaly in that it's not a way that I've approached someone as town in the past and hope never to approach someone as town in the future. It is something I use often as scum.
The only difference between this and when I use it as scum is the target - I generally leverage an approach like this when I'm trying to discredit someone who can read we well or I'm trying to mislynch someone who should never ever be mislynched.
In post 487, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:to throw something out?In post 373, SirCakez wrote:what was the purpose of the post then?In post 365, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:i mean basicallyIn post 360, SirCakez wrote:seems like someone who felt like they had to post "content" and threw something out
i signed up to hydra and my partner's barely been playing
so im kinda just coasting b/c im not motivated
~leaf
the reads weren't forced as in i forced myself to make reads where i didnt have any it was more that i had to force myself to read thread and get them out
~leaf
In post 488, Infinity 324 wrote:This feels towny for notsci and borkIn post 472, notscience wrote:Mena if you touch a hair on Borks head I will run you into the ground tia
In post 497, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:the former is "i read thread, i don't have any reads from it, but im going to post stuff anyway" and the latter is "i didn't read thread but i still feel like i need to post anyway or else im just a useless slanker"In post 494, Infinity 324 wrote:Weird question, is there a difference for you emotionally? Can you explain it at all? For me these two things feel pretty similarIn post 487, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:the reads weren't forced as in i forced myself to make reads where i didnt have any it was more that i had to force myself to read thread and get them out
technically it was both but i forced myself to reread the parts of thread since my last post again
~leaf
In post 511, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:going to be fully honest
i was not keeping track of your posts because you did not have an avatar
~leaf
In post 513, Infinity 324 wrote:Eeveelutions could be town
In post 516, Infinity 324 wrote:Did anyone besides nacho think I was tunneling him?
In post 546, Venus Fly Trap wrote:also you've moved beyond thta, sure, when that didn't really work out, but you were plugging it p hard at the beginning, and doubled down when people initially objected soIn post 348, Nachomamma8 wrote:You and Skitter both keep pretending like all I am interested in today is policying Not Mafia or bust.
~ skitter, prior one was me too
In post 555, Venus Fly Trap wrote:>.>
wait i actually just read it and shouldn't have just looked at the sig before posting
ok i very much disagree with this philosophy because i have no idea what you're thinking this game and while you *might* have a point that readslists are bad (i don't raelly agree with that but whatever) if i can't figure out what your reads are at all we have a problem, esp. since i know that town!you tends to have good reads (and they'd be useful to have) and scum!you doesn't like to post
~ skitter
In post 556, Infinity 324 wrote:Not sure if you've gotten to it yet, I think beeboy's read on me was towny.
In post 568, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh
In post 570, SirCakez wrote:If Kismet is bork that is OBVIOUSLY townThis post is really shitty though and it has such a dumb and illogical implication. Who would go after someone just because they refuse to TR you? This insinuates scum motivation behind the move but that would be such a dumb scum move.In post 447, Disaster Cartel wrote:Seems hella convenient that you’re sussing me when I’m like the only one who hasn’t been happy to rubberstamp you as town, kismet!
-Mena
In post 571, SirCakez wrote:really dislike thisIn post 504, Disaster Cartel wrote:and no, my why on you is partially that, but moreso because I think your SR on me seems fabricated or like it’s at the very least treating me with bad faith
why is DC so concerned with how they are being read? the initial argument here was terrible
In post 597, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote: Other notes:
I should read Cakez over tbh? I am starting to lean town on Nacho just due to the general way he is trying to inquire about certain things. Mena's approach of me is consistent to the one he had in the dance game where I was actually scum, although I efforted in that game like, not at all.... I really just wanted to pair with the IC then leave the dance so the circumstances were different but it's fine. Cakez I was avoiding to read simply because I don't like lynching him day one because it happens to him so often but I don't think that's fair to the rest of the player base since I'd just be giving him a pass because I like him and feel guilty.
~Glaceon
In post 607, Disaster Cartel wrote:this might seem like a dumb thing to point out but why didn't you say you weren't crazy about our slot in your small list of reads? or had you just not read us at that point? bc i feel like if you think we're that awful we would have been a slot you weren't that crazy aboutIn post 246, SirCakez wrote:Done reading. Disaster Cartel is AWFUL and I do not want to move my vote. Nacho is also just ??????? leaning towards scum. All of the hydras are not good actually.
- ydra
In post 637, Venus Fly Trap wrote:but I think ydrasse is slightly +town in the last few pages
- lilith
In post 639, Venus Fly Trap wrote:okay nvm I started reading and my brain can't stop
I still think infinity/leafeon interactions feel weirdly weak. infinity's line of questioning on "do you post like this as scum" etc doesn't seem like it's really meant to go anywhere meaningful and ends with her soft-townreading leafeon. I don't see how misty's responses were particularly towny.
- lilith
In post 648, Venus Fly Trap wrote: if I'm having a hard time following and understanding Nacho's reasons for his initial push of NM, his read on our slot, the kind of "agenda" that he's presenting to people for why he acts in certain ways, then I think he's way more likely to be scum based on my own experiences.
In post 649, The Bulge wrote:i think the exchange between inf and leaf ended very unnaturally. then beeboy sort of takes his turn after, tying it back with a mutual TR on inf. all of his other posts in that burst are completely pointless fillerIn post 641, Venus Fly Trap wrote:oh hi bulge
what did you think about beeboy posting 523 right after that?
- lilith
In post 651, Venus Fly Trap wrote:I tried to follow your train of thought, misty's train of thought in 510, her initial post in 500, and the post she quoted as "your original push on her" which was just you saying you felt motivationless and I do not understand how any of that is resulting in a townread on mistyIn post 645, Infinity 324 wrote:Basically I had this idea where mistyx would not force thoughts if she didn't have any as town where she would force them as scum. It doesnt look like that was correct, but I finished townreading her for 510 which I felt like she would've presented differently (perhaps not even quoting my post) if it was both wrong and fake as opposed to just wrong.In post 639, Venus Fly Trap wrote:I still think infinity/leafeon interactions feel weirdly weak. infinity's line of questioning on "do you post like this as scum" etc doesn't seem like it's really meant to go anywhere meaningful and ends with her soft-townreading leafeon. I don't see how misty's responses were particularly towny.
- lilith
In post 662, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:In post 639, Venus Fly Trap wrote:okay nvm I started reading and my brain can't stop
I still think infinity/leafeon interactions feel weirdly weak. infinity's line of questioning on "do you post like this as scum" etc doesn't seem like it's really meant to go anywhere meaningful and ends with her soft-townreading leafeon. I don't see how misty's responses were particularly towny.
- lilithwhat do you two think about kismet's part in the interaction then?In post 640, The Bulge wrote:hey wow I was just reading that part and thinking exactly the same thing
~leaf
In post 674, Venus Fly Trap wrote:@bulge this was the contextIn post 196, Venus Fly Trap wrote:Ya he was pissed at me in that jk++ cuz we were hydra'd and i wouldnt let hjm flip nm and nm was actually scum and he's getting annoyed at me again and idk why he would if he were scum here
~ skits
In post 678, Infinity 324 wrote: I do think nacho believes it's protown to lim NM here, but he's scum for other reasons
In post 680, The Bulge wrote:yesIn post 671, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:Bulge do you have other reasons to scum read infinity outside the exchange she had with me?
~Glaceon
In post 686, notscience wrote:Hot take: Nacho is planning on dying d1 as scum and bussed all his buddies so they could ride the towncred
I feel like it's coming off I'm tunneling but I'm really looking more for townreads and havent really found a reason to townread him
In post 694, Kismet wrote:don't really agree so far, and trying not to be tunnely, but i think Ydrasse was dragged kicking and screaming into the "fun-zone" instead of wanting to be there organically and is exhibiting the most bare minimum levels of Ydrassity in order not to get speed elimedIn post 637, Venus Fly Trap wrote:but I think ydrasse is slightly +town in the last few pages
In post 711, Not_Mafia wrote:Y'all post too much, how am I supposed to scumhunt like this?
In post 713, SirCakez wrote:see he's right that I have misread him many times beforeIn post 706, Kismet wrote:I think a lot of my trepidation around nacho revolves around my history of scumreading him and him never ever being scum (still to this day don't recall a T-bork S-nacho table)
i'm basically trying to search in my heart of hearts to see if 458 comes from town and see if his incredulity is because i am not getting him there or if he's just pushing me away.
The point i was trying to make in the post at the beginning of that chain was that he goes in w/ cakez and makes a big deal about how he's going to make the game miserable for cakez if his attitude continues, which isn't a sentiment i expect from someone unsure of why cakez is doing what he's doing, and i don't know if nacho legitimately missed the point i was trying to make and thought i was saying "his push was unwarranted" or is just trying to be obtuse about it.
the thing that gives me pause is that nacho and i have interacted this way in the past, although admittedly not recently.
I just don't have a lot of confidence in my ability to read him overall.
but also like as scum would he lean into that against me?
:/
In post 714, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:Good talkIn post 680, The Bulge wrote:yesIn post 671, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:Bulge do you have other reasons to scum read infinity outside the exchange she had with me?
~Glaceon
~Glaceon
In post 715, notscience wrote:Would [scum] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?
Would [towb] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?
In post 739, Nachomamma8 wrote:What does Mist think of your point here?In post 523, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:420 and 422
I know these posts basically just agree with what Nacho said.
But I still town read it anyway, it feels like almost annoyed in a way?
Like "my read here is above average, I know its not perfect but that's good enough for me", like the way it's written just feels super town to me. As scum I feel like it would read more like someone who is simply just arguing semantics rather then what I am seeing here.
In post 742, Nachomamma8 wrote:Two pieces of my response here.In post 528, Disaster Cartel wrote:Given that I can’t just be sheeping him bc of that, I find it weird that someone who’s coming to the game from a v similar viewpoint in many ways, he doesn’t see as town
First, you'll find that no read that I make goes "I agree with his reads thus likelier to be town" nor "I disagree with his reads thus less likely to be town". I believe this just makes the confirmation bias problem worse - I don't know if my reads are right or wrong so for all I know I could be townreading the scumteam and trying to kill townies.
In post 748, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm starting to agree with this.In post 568, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh
In post 754, The Bulge wrote:who is townbinning VFT?In post 736, Nachomamma8 wrote:I look forward to this. I know that I owe a full explanation on my VFT read; currently feels like I'm the only person that doesn't think they are the towniest towns who ever towned which is causing me to dig my heels in a bit more than I'd like to but I'd like to get that read sorted out quick so I can determine whether I'm being dumb or not.In post 517, Kismet wrote:nacho i think the convo for later for us is vft because that is likely to be where we have the most difference of opinion so far. i need to reread skitter's posts from today before i commit to that read as it was like 7:30am when i did initially, but i was very much a fan and her content is not all just centered around you.
In post 794, Nachomamma8 wrote: You (and to a lesser extent Bork) will likely mislynch me even though you should know me better by now, and you will be responsible taking my voice out of the game. I'm asking for you to follow my reads after my death until they steer us wrong, which yes is absolutely something I'd do for you.
In post 814, Venus Fly Trap wrote:ok soooo you're basically telling me that you're so pissed off at sircakez for something that happened two months ago that you insta-scumread him and are aggressive abt it in a way that doesn't match anything he actually did here, in this game. and that that's a more likely explanation than you just deciding he was an easy place to push here and thus doing so - at a time in the game where iirc several other people were suspicious of him as wellIn post 744, Nachomamma8 wrote:My anger at Cakez is something that is one off and unique - the focus on it is misguided because it is something that is one off and unique. Whenever people do something outside of their range as a player it's pretty hard to then determine their alignment from it unless you know them intimately as people and neither bork or notsci know me that well.In post 545, Venus Fly Trap wrote:this whole post is like trying to handwave away criticism while you yourself are acknowledging a few posts up that this isn't the way you typically play as town so like
I don't think your read on me has evolved. You've added to it over time with commenting vague thoughts on how my tone sucks or you hate my interactions with Cakez but there's nothing that shows nuance and there's not a point where it feels like you care what color that I flip.
and i will now note that in recent pages, as general feeling towards sircakez has shifted more towards a townread, you're also rethinking that for ??? reasons
you're right, i don't know you from adam and maybe this is what you would do as town but:In post 748, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm starting to agree with this.In post 568, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh
a) people who i believe know you more than me (i.e. bork, notsci) also think this is weird
b) like i have a general vibe of what your towngame is supposed to be and true it's not firsthand but how you're interacting with sircakez here is not really fitting that paradigm. and like idk i'm usually kinda good at makign these sort of assessments, even if i don't have firsthand experience so to me this is worth taking into account.
(and hey if you want examples of this i actually can pull some recent ones! see: murdercat in panic room!)
~ skitter
In post 868, Kismet wrote: ^ group is all subject to re-eval tomorrow (including infinity, and those are pretty separate tiers hence the spacing, but i am squicked enough by the people pushing l&g that i have lost any interest in that wagon)
In post 871, Nachomamma8 wrote:holding vft to the same level as notsci and infinity is also silly - yes vft is town but those two left their scumranges a long long time ago and skitter hasn't done anything that absurdly town
In post 879, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm glad that we're all town together too.
I'm sad that y'all won't see it until you kill me.
In post 883, Nachomamma8 wrote:It's okay!In post 881, Kismet wrote:don't know what to say manIn post 879, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm glad that we're all town together too.
I'm sad that y'all won't see it until you kill me.
as usual if i'm wrong you have the requisite mea culpa, and i'll own the bad read.
I'm still having fun, it's kind of fun getting mislynched over people like L&G. And Bulge. And Mom.
In post 916, notscience wrote:We could just elim you guys if you want?
In post 917, Infinity 324 wrote:I would be pretty unhappy if anyone except nacho was limmed today
In post 917, Infinity 324 wrote:His cases aren't someone who believes players are scum, his mindset is "why me instead of these people who aren't doing anything"
In post 935, Nachomamma8 wrote:Just no. This is frustrating as all hell - I don't believe that when ffery post my flip that one of your thoughts will be "WELP AT LEAST WE DIDN'T MISLYNCH NOT_MAFIA" and if it is then I have no nice words for you here.In post 930, Nachomamma8 wrote:And I addressed this in my last post but this is just not true at all.In post 920, Kismet wrote:its why eliming hypothetical town!n_m day 1 is literally like the worst case scenario. scum just flips one of their own lurkers next and we're nowhere
In post 940, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 830, Infinity 324 wrote:@ydra Talk to mena about nacho for me
Nacho keeps posting stuff that pings me and I'm at the point where he's just always going to be my preferred elim for today so yeahIn post 844, Infinity 324 wrote:Oh if that's the case nacho is even more scummy here somehowIn post 857, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah I also feel paranoid that everyone seems to have the same reads but townblocs are rough for scum to deal with, if nacho flips town I'll re-evaluateyeah you don't just get to sit on your hands and push me for the rest of the dayIn post 917, Infinity 324 wrote:I would be pretty unhappy if anyone except nacho was limmed today
His cases aren't someone who believes players are scum, his mindset is "why me instead of these people who aren't doing anything"
who are my partners? who am I bussing? who do you townread and why?
In post 958, Nachomamma8 wrote:Letting scum that you caught early and having a wrong sr and failing to re-evaluate are both different sides of the same coin - just means that you are prioritizing the wrong information.In post 952, Infinity 324 wrote:I could get into my "how do I know how confident to be" thing but basically, it's more common that I have a correct early scumread but drop the read than I have a wrong SR and don't re-evaluate.
In this circumstance I know that I'm not blameless - I played up my desire for the NM lynch early more than I should because I thought it would generate discussion and I should have realized that my approach to Cakez would ping notsci and bork.
But I have put in the work to talk about what I think and why I think it. I think that my game play doesn't make sense as a whole for scum, especially since the prevailing idea seems to be that I'm just bussing the hell out of my team because it makes sense for me to post basically 200 times in a day and not advance my scum agenda at all. I think that notsci and bork should both know me well enough to know that this is not how my approach to the game looks at all if I'm scum here.
I don't deserve what I'm getting here.
In post 970, Infinity 324 wrote:I think L&G are town so yeah
In post 1000, Disaster Cartel wrote:okay i just want to clear up bulge: are you talking about two separate things (that i bolded) because you're saying you're not a big fan of the case and then you're like, actually it's convincing and that makes no sense to meIn post 973, The Bulge wrote:notsciencehasn't made a huge splash in the game so far, but I would probably be suspicious if he was putting himself front and centre trying to keep a hold on the reins of the game. most of what he's done so far is reach out to familiar players, and present theories and takes as non-sequiturs, all par for the course.I'm not a big fan of his nacho case.I think town notty would be more likely to want to assume a more assertive role in the town, but that could be affected by playerlist. I think with fewer players who know him, notty would feel more comfortable and free to break from his usual posting style. most of what he's done so far is give reads and push suspicions. I don't like the way he throws his vote around. I would expect town notty to be a little more meek in a way. he hasn't done much apart from replying to direct questions, and asking his own, but he only follows up in the moment and rarely comes back to past conversations. however, I do appreciate the consistency with which he maintains his lines of questioning ever after a lilt in discussion.The wall on nacho is pretty convincing. notty hasn't done anything this game except throw down votes and vibe with his friends. If he were scum I think he'd see an opportunity in this setup to take more control of the game's trajectory. I don't think we need to worry about this slot, but I have my eye on him.
- ydra
In post 1060, Not_Mafia wrote:43 pages
In post 1065, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote: i think nm actively avoiding creating content and catching zero heat for it makes him very likely scum
~leaf
In post 1078, Infinity 324 wrote: My reasons for SRing nacho don't really have to do with him SRing NM, he just feels fake to me.
In post 1083, Momrangal wrote:Cakes, infinity, VFP, NM, Bulge
In post 1089, The Bulge wrote:fuck this tbh
half of you know for a fact im town anyway. and I think for the rest of you you should be able to tell from gamestate that I'm town here. because, again, half the plist knows my alignment already and they FUCKING WISH they could actually push me on anything from that wall but I've managed to coast thus far because the scumteam knows my thoughts come from a town perspective. anyway this game has caused me nothing but immense stress and anxiety the last 72+ hours so peace for now
In post 1091, The Bulge wrote:anyone who has a problem with my levels of engagement moving forward can suck my toe!!!!!!!!
In post 1092, Disaster Cartel wrote:this game is annoying and I can't be fucked so ydra is running our slot until I feel like playing again
-Mena
In post 1100, Infinity 324 wrote:In post 986, Infinity 324 wrote:Bulge why didn't you ask a clarifying question about the skitt read? Or try to take into account the context (skitt's overall enjoyment of playing scum lately)?
In post 1103, SirCakez wrote:Salsa when you finish your catchup I am extremely interested in a sort of coalesced read from you on Nacho.
In post 1114, Venus Fly Trap wrote:what’s “annoying” about itIn post 1092, Disaster Cartel wrote:this game is annoying and I can't be fucked so ydra is running our slot until I feel like playing again
-Mena
you feel like you did in panic room with this whole “it’s not MY fault everyone is scumreading me, read me better!!1!1!1!” and then flouncing off without giving us a way to read you better.
- lilith
In post 1118, Venus Fly Trap wrote:what does this mean? DC wasn’t in the conversation as far as I can tell?In post 1110, Salsabil Faria wrote:I can see this is happening here, and it's actually making Disaster Cartel look good. I don't see Leafeon and Glaceon vs Disaster Cartel as SvS yet.
- lilith
In post 1128, Disaster Cartel wrote:We quake in boots, ur talent so strong, u do such good job catching us!!!1!!1!1!!1!1!1
In post 1132, Disaster Cartel wrote:wow notsci, so good at game, much scummy 4 me, wow, greatIn post 1130, notscience wrote:Bulge let me know when you read nacho. I’m fine killing him today and will reap the “I told you sos” later if I’m wrong.
Mena hydra goes tomorrow. I agree with lillith wrt the AtE and for someone so done with this game he sure is doing a lot of following along with this game.
In post 1145, Disaster Cartel wrote:Salsa unable to decide which shitwagon to push lol
In post 1147, notscience wrote:For those keeping score, there’s zero explanation in menas iso why he’s townreading nacho. (Mena, not ydra)
In post 1148, Venus Fly Trap wrote:i kinda hate this post and think it's scummyIn post 1089, The Bulge wrote:fuck this tbh
half of you know for a fact im town anyway. and I think for the rest of you you should be able to tell from gamestate that I'm town here. because, again, half the plist knows my alignment already and they FUCKING WISH they could actually push me on anything from that wall but I've managed to coast thus far because the scumteam knows my thoughts come from a town perspective. anyway this game has caused me nothing but immense stress and anxiety the last 72+ hours so peace for now
~ skitter
In post 1157, notscience wrote:That’s basically where I’m at. I think scum is all in
(Nacho, notmaf, mena, mom, LG) and if one of those is town it’s bulge or salsa
In post 1173, Disaster Cartel wrote:Actually, kismet is town, your slot is kinda gross for your other head, cakez, salsa, leafy are all probably scum
In post 1174, Disaster Cartel wrote:So maybe like (salsa, cakez, leafy) and then probably 2/4 of (NM, bulge, mom, VFT)
In post 1179, Disaster Cartel wrote:...pretty obviously mine and nacho’s given that I’dIn post 1176, Salsabil Faria wrote:Btw, other than your slot, which ones are the shitwagons Menalque? I changed my vote between you, SirCakez and Nachomamma8 so far.literallyjust posted about how nacho is a TR and that I think cakez is scum
In post 1180, Disaster Cartel wrote:I was waiting to give you a chance after your initial vote on me and instead of having any like, actual thought process on scum or why X is scum, you’ve just been creating justifications to shift between what I think are the two easiest wagons for scum to be on (mine/nacho’s)In post 1176, Salsabil Faria wrote:Do you scumread me from the start of the game, or it has started recently because I start to scumread you hence vote you?
In post 1193, Disaster Cartel wrote:And so you were voting and unvoting him why if you don’t scumread him?In post 1185, Salsabil Faria wrote:I don't scumread Nachomamma8, that's why change my vote
In post 1194, Disaster Cartel wrote:(1) she’s just kind of unenthusiastic for the game compared to what I’d expect from town lili and more importantly (2) I think lili’s approach of “oh mena you remind me of this one game where you were scum” instead of like, trying to have any positive interaction with me or to help get me back into the game (when I’d say that we normally have a pretty positive relationship in thread) when I’m already frozen out is +scum for the slot. It’s like the exact opposite of what skitter is doing which is weird but possibly may just be hydra dissonance?In post 1187, Kismet wrote:what pings you about lilith in particular?In post 1173, Disaster Cartel wrote:Actually, kismet is town, your slot is kinda gross for your other head, cakez, salsa, leafy are all probably scum
In post 1204, notscience wrote: Salsa, I have not answered a single question in your catch-ups. You have not called me on this. Why are you asking questions and not following up? Second, I gave you a team of five people abd then “if it is not these five then scum is here” and I got met with a discredit. So now, if mena is town, salsa is scum.
In post 1207, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1204, notscience wrote: Salsa, I have not answered a single question in your catch-ups. You have not called me on this. Why are you asking questions and not following up? Second, I gave you a team of five people abd then “if it is not these five then scum is here” and I got met with a discredit. So now, if mena is town, salsa is scum.Cause I can't understand you, and I don't remember if I ask you anything or not in particular. ALso, I think I'm following up?
In post 1246, petapan wrote:cakez i know you wanting to catch me is funny memes and all but this aint the game where it gets to happen
In post 1251, notscience wrote:Bulge get your butt in here and be my Goose.
I’m not rolling over and nacho trying to derail onto bulge is sus as fuck and I will go through this entire game if I have to
In post 1255, notscience wrote:Bork he’s been half assed distancing for the last half of the day. How does this not make sense that nacho would bus a weaker buddy and try to coast on the towncred after the people who can argue him down are dead.
In post 1257, notscience wrote:Would a scum team of mena nacho mom lg notmaf want to let nacho die or the habitual lurk scum. If you are townreading this wagon of four you have to understand scum want no part in killing nacho which should tell you anyone trying to derail it is immediately sus.
In post 1230, petapan wrote:he starts off the game with a move that draws negative attention to himself like trying to policy n_m as scum because he knows he'll get blowback,
In post 1260, notscience wrote:@cakez be my lld means sheep me and If I’m wrong you can kill me
In post 1264, Nachomamma8 wrote:Yes. Yes I am. It is refreshing to have someone defending me for once because I am obviously town here and anyone who has glanced at my recent scum meta would know it.In post 1248, Venus Fly Trap wrote:i mean of course you're gonna say that since he's defending you >:(
I am looking for players who are flippable other than me. Because I am town and they are possibly not town. Because me in town for another day is much more advantageous to town then Bulge in town for another day regardless of his alignment at this point.
I maybe would not be playing so heavily for survival at this point if I haven't been public enemy #1 for the entirety of this game (and I don't think I've fucked up significantly!!! I've been weird but I'm a weird person but I don't think I've fucked up this game to deserve this level of heat!!!).
And yeah maybe he is scum who is defending me because I'd expect him to townread me here but that's okay. Because Petapan makes me happy. And if he makes me happy then I don't want to die trying to kill him even though yes. Figured people would dislike me moving my vote.
In post 1267, Nachomamma8 wrote:Okay so hear me out.In post 1257, notscience wrote:If you are townreading this wagon of four you have to understand scum want no part in killing nacho which should tell you anyone trying to derail it is immediately sus.
1) Maybe the scum we are playing against aren't very good. Maybe they don't feel good finding a reason to get on my wagon without repeating stuff you four fine folk have already said and getting heat for it.
2) Maybe scum is just letting it happen because they're chuckling at the carnival of lunacy currently dancing its way through the thread.
In post 1270, Kismet wrote: but then you post 1264 where you basically give up on what i feel is a very viable push on someone you scumread just because a player you like now occupies the slot despite the fact that he hasn't done shitall (and again have explicitly given me shit for not scumreading earlier in the game) and i again have no idea what you're doing except trying to screw with people
In post 1278, petapan wrote:In post 1251, notscience wrote:Bulge get your butt in here and be my Goose.
I’m not rolling over and nacho trying to derail onto bulge is sus as fuck and I will go through this entire game if I have toIn post 1252, notscience wrote:Bork beeboy lurked into a replace out in your game don’t you let up on the gas at all.In post 1255, notscience wrote:Bork he’s been half assed distancing for the last half of the day. How does this not make sense that nacho would bus a weaker buddy and try to coast on the towncred after the people who can argue him down are dead.In post 1257, notscience wrote:Would a scum team of mena nacho mom lg notmaf want to let nacho die or the habitual lurk scum. If you are townreading this wagon of four you have to understand scum want no part in killing nacho which should tell you anyone trying to derail it is immediately sus.In post 1258, notscience wrote:(Also two votes hardly constitutes a wagon)this is the most obvious desperate hustle to secure a misyeet before i can derail itIn post 1260, notscience wrote:@cakez be my lld means sheep me and If I’m wrong you can kill me
@mara- look nachos picking on more LHF you should vote him
@notmafia- I’m gonna get you a pretty hammer
used car salesman energy
In post 1297, Not_Mafia wrote:I think notscience is town
In post 1314, petapan wrote:
and i'm wondering how many times you'll end up killing obvtown before you realize this townblock is toxic and you are being pocketed