Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[Amy Dunne]

There is a marked difference in Radical Rat's posting rate after his Mafia-elimination and conclusion of Game 3.

I wonder what House saw there.

Exactly and voting the same player in both games anyway, is antitown af.

[Amy Dunne]

No One has died in the Mini Theme!

Did...did they think I was lying about being bulletproof???
Or get concerned I was legit conftown if they nightkilled???

(On that note: House is conftown for not having shown up btw.)

Regardless, I kinda wanna claim credit for the lack of the kill.

Why would that make anyone confitown?

[Amy Dunne]

No One has died in the Mini Theme!

Vote Count Normal.2.00

T3 (E-4):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99

Dwlee99 (E-5):

CheekyTeeky

Radical Rat (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Ircher (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

House (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (11):

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.2.00

RCEnigma (E-7):

Radical Rat (E-7):

Dunnstral (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-8):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (12):

With 12 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-12 18:30:00).

You, Sir, are a member of the bourgeoisie. I do not accept your fickle terms of pledging.

I hereby reject your double pledge system.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky - Normal
VOTE: Dwlee - Theme

If I die before day 2 in every game I'm taking my ball and going home.

You have at least a few hours during which you're effectively a Townstump for Game 1.
Who did you JK? What are your final reads?

Oh right I was just going to chance it and hold the info but I might be donezo and I didn't crumb anything since in my head I could just stay in thread when I die.

I jailkept cheeky

. There was a post she made way early that I was going to soft on but yeah I had the immortal RC thought.

@Chloe

Why are you voting Cheeky in A?

[Amy Dunne]

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, HAMMER!

Radical Rat (E-4):

Almost50, Ircher, Amy Dunne,

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma,

Ircher (E-6):

MegAzumarill,

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Lady Chloe,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

So I'm a wagon analyzer (what I've called it) and my result was that the wagon had 4 alignment differences between voters on MegA. I'm just trying to confirm if it includes demon lord, but that's a pretty colourful wagon ^.^

4?

[Amy Dunne]

So there's probably a 3P in the mix somewhere. Maybe that's what Demon Lord counts as since it's technically not a Town or Scum player.

What would happen if we lim DL? Just the name doesn’t really scream protown to me.

[Amy Dunne]

So there's probably a 3P in the mix somewhere. Maybe that's what Demon Lord counts as since it's technically not a Town or Scum player.

What would happen if we lim DL? Just the name doesn’t really scream protown to me.

If DL is not scum, whomever it is should claim.

[Amy Dunne]

I don't think we can vote Demon Lord according to the way vote count is set-up

@mod is this true?

[Amy Dunne]

I will be told how many time 2 sequential votes are different. Like town scum town = 2
Town town scum scum = 1

And the demon vote alignment is considered in the result.

So, you can tell the alignment of each voter on Meg B wagon once we get a flip, is this right?

[Amy Dunne]

@mod is this true?

VOTE: Demon Lord

This would be an invalid vote in all games and would result in no change to your current vote.

That sucks. They can vote with impunity and not face any consequences.

Is my vote still on RR?

UNVOTE:

[Amy Dunne]

Demon Lord reminds me of raid.

No I don't know anything about alignment except if it matches with the alignments next to it. I got to choose a wagon EOD once in the game.

So, we will know if they’re scum based on who is flipped on Meg B wagon?

But if everyone is accounted for, then they’d have to be a secret double voter.

[Amy Dunne]

Yes, it depends on Dwlee's alignment. If Dwlee is town the demon lord is eithere town or 3p. And scum if Dwlee is scum. There's one other scum on the wagon regardless. I think 2 on 1 off.

Look at VC, I'm E-8 cause I loverized myself

If the loverizing thing is true, would that affect your analysis?

[Amy Dunne]

Look at VC, I'm E-8 cause I loverized myself

VOTE: Dwlee
How do you loverize yourself?

@mod, is this true? Is Dwelee actually at e-8 + any other votes on him?

[Amy Dunne]

As of post 1450 it would take 8 votes to eliminate Dwlee. I would need to generate a vote count to determine how many votes are required right now.

According to the last vote count Dwlee is at E-8, in the last day phase Dwlee was at the same lim threshold as everyone else. So something happened N1 to add the loved modifier. It fits with the demon lord but I don't know why town wouldnt just start out loved from the get go

Yes, mod please do an updated VC when you get the chance, thanks.

[Amy Dunne]

@Chloe do you have any theories on who most likely killed RCE? I have some thoughts on that but so far no one is really saying too much about it.

[Amy Dunne]

If I'm counting correctly Dwlee's at E-2 in Game 1, and E-4 in Game 2?

Is there a way around eliminating them in Game 1? I don't think there is, but I don't really want to be stuck with another double elimination.

Vote Meg first and Dwelee second? That worked in game C.

[Amy Dunne]

That would only work in the other direction, and it would require Meg to be alive in Game 1. The no kill means we don't have anyone alive in 1 that isn't in 2, which is what we would need to single vote the same way we did with Game 3.

I think the only way to avoid it would be to eliminate someone else for Game 1, then vote Dwlee during the night. In which case, I think I'd like to do House still. Triple scum is highly improbable, but I do think he's scum in at least one game still, so either he flips scum and is most likely town in 2, or flips town and is a viable scum candidate in 2. And we can use that to help work through the rest of the wagon analysis.

Why House? I’m thinking either T3 tmi’d RCE town or it was a frame like Chloe said.

If so it’s hard to tell because both Dunn and Dwelee voted him.

[Amy Dunne]

@mod, can we vote out someone in game 1 now and later 2?

I don’t want to double lim if Dwelee’s town in 1.

[Amy Dunne]

@mod, can we vote out someone in game 1 now and later 2?

I don’t want to double lim if Dwelee’s town in 1.

or vice-versa?

[Amy Dunne]

That would only work in the other direction, and it would require Meg to be alive in Game 1. The no kill means we don't have anyone alive in 1 that isn't in 2, which is what we would need to single vote the same way we did with Game 3.

I think the only way to avoid it would be to eliminate someone else for Game 1, then vote Dwlee during the night. In which case, I think I'd like to do House still. Triple scum is highly improbable, but I do think he's scum in at least one game still, so either he flips scum and is most likely town in 2, or flips town and is a viable scum candidate in 2. And we can use that to help work through the rest of the wagon analysis.

Why House? I’m thinking either T3 tmi’d RCE town or it was a frame like Chloe said.

If so it’s hard to tell because both Dunn and Dwelee voted him.

No, I didn't TMI RCE as town.

Who do you think is scum in 1?

[Amy Dunne]

Wait, why would House be a proper elimination G1 if there is mechanical reason to suspect Mafia in G2?

Cheeky, you sickeningly delightful scoundrel!

UNVOTE:

Oh my, what do I do now...

Because it's impossible to eliminate Dwlee in Game 2 without first triggering an elimination in Game 1, which has a lower hammer threshold. So we should vote scum in 1 now, then do Dwlee during Game 1's night

And there was I thinking I should try to concentrate on the Normal (it being the lower threshold AND the one we are in a worse situation after having lost 2 PRs)

@Chloe

[Amy Dunne]

Okay here's the deal. I am town in A, but scum in B, BUT my role is I'm a haterizer / loverizer combo so if I live the night I'll be able to haterize myself tonight and this will mean I need one less vote to be flipped tomorrow, meaning I can be hammered in B without dying in A. As it stands right now, I don't think it is possible to only lim me in B because no one is alive in A but not in B. But if we wait a day I CAN be limmed in B and not A

If Dwelee’s telling the truth here and I think it would be hella stupid for him to lie about this, then we could be looking at a miselim in A and we’re currently not doing great in A.

If we could flip Dwelee only in game B, that would obviously be the most optimal but if he’s on the level and he flips town in A, then that’s currently three dead town in A.

[Amy Dunne]

Like Chloe, we lost both are tracker and our jk, we really need to try hard to fihd scum in A or I’m legit afraid, we will lose. RR’s suggestion sounds the most optimal, so I don’t see what we’re risking? I haven’t voted yet because I really want to be convinced it’s the right vote but I think we lose if don’t do what RR suggested.

I still think there may possibly be something with Dunn/T3 but House looks objectively scummiest in A, so probably leaning House rn.

[Amy Dunne]

*pops in*
VOTE: Radical Rat
VOTE: Radical Rat
*pops out*

Actually House looks scummiest in B too.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Dwlee

RCE why did you JK me?

Umm I felt like your play was clashing and you were scum in one of the games. Like in one you're genuinely solvey and the other you're a lot more coordinated than we were in ffxiv which says multiple voices to me.

It makes sense because even with differing role pms there is still a town one to hide behind so I feel like meta is a poor indicator with multiple games still on the table.

Also there is divergence in that read with Chloe. Like I'm reading Chloe town for pretty much the opposite reasons. Like the confusion over voting and setup format etc. Which echoed how I was feeling being introduced to all the mechanics in the setup.

RCE hard tr Chloe.

[Amy Dunne]

Aren't all the roles independent of game?
So Dwlee is lying?

Why would you think that? Meg flipped tracker in 1 and vt in 2, so clearly not independent.

[Amy Dunne]

If anyone is interested, I checked RR’s most recent scumgame other than of course ELSM A and RCE wasn’t in that playerlist.

[Amy Dunne]

I am confused

RCE is likely unfamiliar with RR’s scumgame.

[Amy Dunne]

I am confused

RCE is likely unfamiliar with RR’s scumgame.

[Amy Dunne]

RR has already flipped scum in C and has been posting a lot more since that flip. I don't understand why he's the lim in A?

I ISO’d RCE earlier and couldn’t find anything that looked remotely like a soft and RCE has never played with scum!RR, not recently anyway. I didn’t bother looking at anything past 2020.

So, it really makes no sense that scum!RR would want RCE dead here.

[Amy Dunne]

RR has already flipped scum in C and has been posting a lot more since that flip. I don't understand why he's the lim in A?

Increased engagement does not equate town.

Are you going to explain your RR vote? Why is he scum?

[Amy Dunne]

Mastina’s solve is amazing, afterall she totally nailed scum!Meg in A and B.

Wait

I dislike Ircher’s progression on RR who is playing very differently than C.

VOTE: Ircher in game A

[Amy Dunne]

mastina, I'm not scum. I just not very engaged with the game rn. Nothing interesting is happening.

You are voting RR without having given a single reason for that vote and ignoring every single reason why that vote makes no sense. Mastina having me in her PoE is just 180 degrees of stupid.

RR is playing completely differently now than in C.
Scum!RR has not played with RCE since 2020 if ever.
RCE never softed tpr.
It makes zero sense for scum!RR to have killed RCE.

[Amy Dunne]

@Amy: How long would it take you to understand voting X is voting them in every game they're alive in regardless. It doesn't matter if you specify a game. Ircher is alive in both games so your vote is on him in both games.

That said, I do see your point, but I'm not sure if the to have a history together to justify the tunnel (both Ircher and House are pushing for RR iirc?)

I’m less sure about House especially since his 3p comment but when does town!Ircher naked vote, fail to give a single reason for that vote.? Ignore every single reason why it’s a bad vote and never bother to explain that reasoning?

Yes, I think he’s very likely scum here because he should be reacessing his RR vote but for whatever reason he’s not.

His progression on RR is scummy, so he could possibly be scum in either or both but I’m trying to nail who I think is most likely scum in A and vote Dwelee in B later, since he is the obvious vote in B but I believe his claim that he’s not scum in A, so don’t want to double vote him.

[Amy Dunne]

Your chainsaw is duly noted.

My what? What “chainsaw”? You keep saying you’re town but have yet to explain your RR vote.

It doesn’t make any sense for RR to have killed RCE here for all of the reasons I’ve already mentioned, therefore your vote on RR is bad.

And your continued response to me is continues to not address either your reasoning for your RR vote and your totally ignoring why that vote makes no sense.

[Amy Dunne]

RR has already flipped scum in C and has been posting a lot more since that flip. I don't understand why he's the lim in A?

This is why I’m extremely suss of the RR voters and think at least one of them is likely scum and Ircher’s continued refusal to either explain that vote or reacessing is bad.

[Amy Dunne]

Kill delee

Okay here's the deal. I am town in A, but scum in B, BUT my role is I'm a haterizer / loverizer combo so if I live the night I'll be able to haterize myself tonight and this will mean I need one less vote to be flipped tomorrow, meaning I can be hammered in B without dying in A. As it stands right now, I don't think it is possible to only lim me in B because no one is alive in A but not in B. But if we wait a day I CAN be limmed in B and not A

Do you not believe his claim?

I think both Dwelee and RR are flipping town in A, RR maybe in B as well.

We have two dead tprs in A, so you should be trying to vote out who is likely scum in A, no?

Like, we are in a decent position here in B but we are in real danger of losing A and I don’t want to lose A.

[Amy Dunne]

My what? What “chainsaw”? You keep saying you’re town but have yet to explain your RR vote.

You're chainsawing on behalf of your buddy Rat.

Once again another deflection. Now you’re calling both of scum while still never explaining your reasons for scumreading RR.

I think he’s likely town here, more confident in A because of Cheeky vote thing but wouldn’t be terribly shocked if he’s town in B too. You otoh, I don’t think are town based at least partially on scummy af posts like these.

It’s not scummy to scumread a slot who plops down a naked vote, never explains, ignores everything that points away from this read, yet you think me sr someone for doing that is scummy. Ok.

And you STILL failing to come up with even one good reason why RR is scum here, especially in A. Gth, I think > than rand odds, the push on Rat doesn’t make a lot of sense from a town perspective.

[Amy Dunne]

Miss Amy Dunne, it's been quite awhile since we've spoken candidly! How does the thread greet you?

For the most part okay but I’m feeling somewhat frustrated that people that I’m not getting my questions answered.

[Amy Dunne]

Mastina’s solve is amazing, afterall she totally nailed scum!Meg in A and B.

Wait

This feels out of place. What did mastina say that specifically prompted this?

Spoiler:

mastina votes in game 2 are acceptable.

Oh yeah dealing with this bullshit is also among the things I didn't really want to have to deal with. (it's not a "mastina must die", it's not quite "3p = acceptable loss", it's not any of the others I said previously, but it's among the things that any 3p claim will entail.)

Do you have any opinions on who we should lim in Game 1 before Dwlee?

{Ircher, Dunnstral, Amy Dunne} is a good place to start. I realize that's also a group I think has 2/3 of the scum in the mini theme but I still think that group contains at least 1 scum in the mini normal, too.

You can add yourself to the list of players in the mini normal for me--not as a guarantee, but as a plausibility that I cannot ignore.

A50's town; Lady Chloe's town; House is town; CheekyTeeky is almost certainly town.

Beyond that, I

think

that T3 is town but not to the extent of the above;
With Dwlee as town in game #1, that'd leave possible scum as:
{Radical Rat, Amy Dunne, Dunnstral, Ircher} and maybe

maybe

T3.

This. Does her read on me come from blind confibiased town or she actually trying to get me miselimed? It’s honestly hard to tell atp.

[Amy Dunne]

Miss Amy Dunne, it's been quite awhile since we've spoken candidly! How does the thread greet you?

For the most part okay but I’m feeling somewhat frustrated that people that I’m not getting my questions answered.

Did I miss anything, dear?

I mean people who voted RR and who are still voting him and not explaining why. That’s why I’m staying on Ircher. He shades me but continues to refuse to answer that question.

[Amy Dunne]

I consider you and Almost50 the most widely townread slots of this game, so if her intention is to eliminate you, she is in for disappointment.

Is her survivor claim honest?

Well, she started off the game hardclaiming triple T and we now know that obviously can’t true based off of that. I think based off of Cheeky’s wagon analysis, likely because she said there were four different alignments on Meg B wagon iirc, unless of course if I completely misunderstood it? So if I didn’t actually misunderstand, it points to her being 3p.

[Amy Dunne]

I don’t think scum him would completely lurk

I've only known house to be in top posters in games Ive played with them so not sure where you're getting this from?

That’s not a great meta tell anyway. I was in a game recently where I wrongly tr scum for that exact same reason.

[Amy Dunne]

I don’t think scum him would completely lurk

I've only known house to be in top posters in games Ive played with them so not sure where you're getting this from?

That’s not a great meta tell anyway. I was in a game recently where I wrongly tr scum for that exact same reason.

You town read scum for being active or inactive?

Yeah, I lost a game in part for doing that, so my opinion is the absolutely most unreliable meta tells irrespective of alignment are always actively based.

[Amy Dunne]

You have the exact same scumpool in both games, just a different order?

No, it's just that I didn't post the game 1 order,

which would include Amy

(who's absent from G2 due to my the eory on who the 3 G2 scum are.)

I posted the overall and G2, but will post the G1 when home.

No and I’m getting tired of you continuing to push this crap. You are clearly either ignoring my posts or being dense. Idk which one it is but anyone with even a modicum of sense can tell how entirely nutso this is.

[Amy Dunne]

Double Flip!

Sorting through the paperwork on my desk today I got rid of a bunch of stuff I didn't need any more. Birth Certificates, Pay Stubs, Tax Forms, the deed to my house, and Ircher.

He was:

Spoiler:

Welcome, Ircher to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Form 1040

, aligned with the Paperwork faction.

You may fill the game thread with many glorious words which contain the information needed to deduce the logic and reasoning behind the intentions of the other players in this game. All of the forms in this game have this power. You may also vote to retire some of the forms from use. Sadly, this destruction of forms is necessary, as there are petitions hidden amongst the forms that are trying to simplify the bureaucratic process, allowing the average individual to access the inner workings of their representation without hours of frustration and pain. Frankly, this cannot stand.

You win when all enemies of Paperwork have been eliminated and at least one Form is still alive.

Mastina now pushed two town wagons. Whatever she is, it’s gamethrowing to listen to her. :/

[Amy Dunne]

ATTENTION ALL PLAYERS! IRCHER IS NOW DEADED IN ALL ONGOING GAMES AND THUS MAY NOT POST IN THIS THREAD ANYMORE. THAT IS ALL.

Normal

Night Two Begins! All actions are due by: (expired on 2021-12-11 01:00:00)!

Mini Theme

Night Two Begins! All actions are due by: (expired on 2021-12-11 13:00:00)!

What does this mean, that RR was wrong and we can’t just kill Dwelee in just B anymore? :/

[Amy Dunne]

Somehow I completely overlooked the possibility that scum could lolhammer before we all switched votes.... On the bright side, Game 2 now has two confirmed scum in it, but I have no idea how to approach it without getting us even more fucked in Game 1... I am open to suggestions on that front.

Yeah, we’re supposed to only hammer A, then we could have speed limmed Dwelee.

[Amy Dunne]

I'm down to vote House before game 2 opens. We should've just flipped Dwlee in both ffs.

As long as we eliminate within the 12 hour window before Game 2 opens, I am at peace with either flipping in Game 1.

Can we still do that despite Ircher being flipped in B?

@mod

[Amy Dunne]

plot twist: I'm town in B

[Amy Dunne]

Can we still do that despite Ircher being flipped in B?

@mod

If a player is voted between day start in the Normal Game and day start in the Theme Game the votes will only apply to the Normal Game.

:/

[Amy Dunne]

Your solve on me is 100% wrong. Can’t wait for your explanation for all of this nonsense after I flip town. From my perspective here, you’re either doing some really good drugs, are shamelessly trolling me or actually are scum.

[Amy Dunne]

Your argument is that

if I don’t have a lobotomy

, I’m scum if I don’t auto scumread a slot for actually what bonkers insane batshit fucking reasons?

My head hurts from even reading those recent posts of yours.

[Amy Dunne]

Your solve on me is 100% wrong. Can’t wait for your explanation for all of this nonsense after I flip town. From my perspective here, you’re either doing some really good drugs, are shamelessly trolling me or actually are scum.

Um, my solve doesn't require you to be scum???

Read again.

My solve involves that, if you are town, which you insist that you are, it means:
In game #2, Radical Rat should be confscum to you;
In game #1, Dunnstral and House should be confscum to you.

I did read and yes, I am town and it doesn’t make what you’re saying make any sense to me. Maybe if I was in a coma, it would become totally obvious to me.

[Amy Dunne]

Seriously, not trying to be disrespectful but I don’t understand your logic. I form my reads based on a lot of things but mostly on play. A lot of mech stuff just completely goes right over my head.

The only slot who is actually “confiscum” to me is obviously Dwelee in game B, I’m trying to figure out the rest.

[Amy Dunne]

So explain 1868 to me because I don’t get it.

[Amy Dunne]

Your basing your reads on what you’re considering PoE but that’s also based on a lot of so far unproven assumptions. Fmpov, I don’t know what you are, I only know with 100% certainty what I am. Yes I have reads but I only have certainty on myself and I’m not sure if you’re doing this intentionally or unintentionally but you are expecting me to have the same degree of certainty on others as myself and that’s ridiculous.

If you’re asking about my reads then fine but your framing it as if I should confidently know anyone’s alignment but my own and I obviously can’t possibly know that because I’m town.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy Dunne has been killed in the Mini Normal!

She was:

Spoiler:

A VT

Vote Count Normal.3.00

T3 (E-5):

Dunnstral (E-5):

Dwlee99 (E-5):

Radical Rat (E-5):

House (E-5):

CheekyTeeky (E-5):

mastina (E-5):

Titus (E-5):

Lady Chloe (E-5):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (9):

T3, Dunnstral, Dwlee99, Radical Rat, House, CheekyTeeky, mastina, Titus, Lady Chloe

With 9 alive, it takes

5

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2021-12-25 01:00:00).

Mini Theme

Night Two Begins! All actions are due by: (expired on 2021-12-11 13:00:00)!

Joke’s on you scumfucks. lololol. Gey reckt!

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: House

It is not lost on me that Amy was an advocate against mastina's POV but I have difficulty reconciling mastina's vitriol if she is truly Mafia in any game here. It would feel excessive for it to be an informed mentality.

I don’t understand why scum targeted me but then I don’t understand why they targeted RCE either. But he was jk so why me, when I wrongly sr Ircher?

[Amy Dunne]

You might be a red herring NK that incriminates mastina if I'm correct here.

Your theory is that I was killed to frame Mastina?

[Amy Dunne]

CheekyTeeky has been killed in the Mini Theme!

She was:

Spoiler:

Welcome, CheekyTeeky to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Form 123456789

, aligned with the Paperwork faction.

You may fill the game thread with many glorious words which contain the information needed to deduce the logic and reasoning behind the intentions of the other players in this game. All of the forms in this game have this power. You may also vote to retire some of the forms from use. Sadly, this destruction of forms is necessary, as there are petitions hidden amongst the forms that are trying to simplify the bureaucratic process, allowing the average individual to access the inner workings of their representation without hours of frustration and pain. Frankly, this cannot stand.

You win when all enemies of Paperwork have been eliminated and at least one Form is still alive.

Additionally, as an entirely sequential form, you're particularly sensitive to things being in the correct order. Each night, you may choose a wagon that existed at the end of the previous day. You will be told how many times the faction of two sequential votes was different. (Paperwork Petition Paperwork would result in a result of 2 and Paperwork Paperwork Petition Petition would result in 1.)

A HAMMER!

Vote Count Normal.3.Final

House (E-0):

Lady Chloe, Radical Rat, CheekyTeeky, mastina, Titus

T3 (E-5):

Dunnstral (E-5):

Dwlee99 (E-5):

Radical Rat (E-5):

CheekyTeeky (E-5):

mastina (E-5):

Titus (E-5):

Lady Chloe (E-5):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (9):

T3, Dunnstral, Dwlee99, Radical Rat, House, CheekyTeeky, mastina, Titus, Lady Chloe

With 9 alive, it takes

5

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2021-12-25 01:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.3.00

T3 (E-5):

House (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Dwlee99 (E-6):

Radical Rat (E-6):

Amy Dunne(E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Titus (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

RCEnigma (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (10):

T3, Dunnstral, Dwlee99, Radical Rat, House, mastina, Titus, Lady Chloe

With 10 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2021-12-21 15:00:00).

House was eliminated in the Normal Game:

He was:

Spoiler:

A VT

It is now Night 3 in the Normal Game. Night 3 will last until (expired on 2021-12-13 03:00:00).

Submit all actions before deadline!

A is going to be a scum stomp at this rate. :/

VOTE: Dwelee

[Amy Dunne]

I didn't get one _-_

:/

[Amy Dunne]

In game a I'm in a neighborhood with T3
Dwlee, RR, RCEnigma, House, Ircher

Ircher is still able to post and thinks that there are a lot of scum in the neighborhood due to low post count

Cheeky, what was your wagon result this time?

oh we're in night, right. my dunn read is mostly irchers read there. there isnt really any hood content. attempts at any discussion are limited to myself ircher and dunn. RR says he'd rather just use the main thread over talking in the hood which..meh i guess.

Hard disagree with you here. That sounds pretty town indicative to me.

Especially since there’s one outed scum in the hood.

Agree with Ircher that low post count in general could be scum indicative.

[Amy Dunne]

Told you so.
*pop out*

Who would you elim?

Dunn?

T3? Same question.

I strongly tr Cheeky, Titus, Chloe and RR in that order. So scum is in Mastina, T3, Dunn if this is right. So maybe A isn’t a bust yet?

Because if we believe Dwelee’s telling the truth about being town in A, who else is left?

I think this makes sense. I’m less confident on RR but but why does scum!RR kill me? Does that make sense to anyone?

[Amy Dunne]

Game A is the normal. Idk why Dunn said it's a game A hood. It's a Game B hood.

Dwelee’s scum in B was my point. If I know for sure I’m in a hood with scum, I probably wouldn’t post much in there either.

[Amy Dunne]

Told you so.
*pop out*

Who would you elim?

Dunn?

T3? Same question.

I strongly tr Cheeky, Titus, Chloe and RR in that order. So scum is in Mastina, T3, Dunn if this is right. So maybe A isn’t a bust yet?

Because if we believe Dwelee’s telling the truth about being town in A, who else is left?

I think this makes sense. I’m less confident on RR but but why does scum!RR kill me? Does that make sense to anyone?

I'm fairly positive T3 flips scum in A and then we go from there. If the team is like cheeky/A50/Chloe I'd lose it cuz damn.

Would you consider yourself to be an expert on T3 meta?

[Amy Dunne]

Told you so.
*pop out*

Who would you elim?

Dunn?

T3? Same question.

I strongly tr Cheeky, Titus, Chloe and RR in that order. So scum is in Mastina, T3, Dunn if this is right. So maybe A isn’t a bust yet?

Because if we believe Dwelee’s telling the truth about being town in A, who else is left?

I think this makes sense. I’m less confident on RR but but why does scum!RR kill me? Does that make sense to anyone?

*pops in*
Game A?

Titus. (Shocker, right? I know, I'm a spiteful ass and all, but that's not specifically why in this particular case.)

B?

Eh. Idk/idc
*pops out*

Really? Only thing I’m wondering about is why RCE and especially me were killed. So it really makes you wonder.

Do you think you can accurately read Titus?

[Amy Dunne]

Why are you concerned about Game 1 when we can only vote for Game 2, T3?

If that’s indeed the case, then the vote should be obvious. Dwelee claimed scum in B, so what are we waiting for then?

[Amy Dunne]

i saw people saying dwlee is clear in g1 and i was curious

Okay here's the deal. I am town in A, but scum in B, BUT my role is I'm a haterizer / loverizer combo so if I live the night I'll be able to haterize myself tonight and this will mean I need one less vote to be flipped tomorrow, meaning I can be hammered in B without dying in A. As it stands right now, I don't think it is possible to only lim me in B because no one is alive in A but not in B. But if we wait a day I CAN be limmed in B and not A

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: dwlee
alright fine
i still don't understand why dwlee is conftown in 1

We’re I think at elo in A, why are you so eager to kill him in A when he claimed town in A?

[Amy Dunne]

forgot to mention that chloe is town in a

Why in A? How is her play different in B?

[Amy Dunne]

In game a I'm in a neighborhood with T3
Dwlee, RR, RCEnigma, House, Ircher
Ircher is still able to post and thinks that there are a lot of scum in the neighborhood due to low post count

Well either this is a lie or Jingle has once again fucked up Normal guidelines because per Normal guidelines, a neighbor should be required to flip as a Neighbor and neither House nor Ircher flipped as being a Neighbor.

A flip wouldn't show if it were a neighborizer, obviously, because the only one who'd show as the neighbor from a neighborizer is the neighborizer, but that's, what, seven names for a neighborhood? Not enough time to neighborize them all.

So I'm calling "Jingle why do you not do your bloody research" on this. Again.
(This is not the first theme game advertised as having "Normal Game mechanics" which then proceeded to have...a not-Normal game mechanic from Jingle in the 'Normal' game.)

(Kinda surprised Ircher didn't mention this tho. Ircher's a NRG member like me so he should've caught the fact that neighbors should flip as neighbors in a Normal game.)

NRG?

[Amy Dunne]

why does scum!RR kill me? Does that make sense to anyone?

I think at this point it has to be mastina.

I'll give you one guess.

(For the record, no, I never kill Amy Dunne here. I can prove it with meta, too--I've got a VERY DAMN LONG history of killing players I HAVE HISTORY WITH. CheekyTeeky, Almost50, Lady Chloe. Why are they all alive if I'm scum? They're the players I'd consider threats. I don't give a flying fuck about people scumreading me, scumreads on me are not threatening when they are not backed by the ability to use that read to leverage an advantage. Amy Dunne wasn't obvtown and was someone I was pushing to eliminate and wasn't charismatic and wasn't even hard-scumreading me. So she would be the literal BOTTOM of my nightkill priority and if you doubt this, I will bring up a very very long list of scumgames and the kills I make in them which will demonstrate why the Amy Dunne kill hard-clears me.

You might want to point out, "but mastina, weren't you gone?". Wrong night, buddy. I was gone N1 when RCE died. RCE is in fact a kill which fits my modus operandi, but that was the night I wasn't around at all. The night Amy Dunne was killed, I was around the whole night, logging in like 10 different times and actively posting. You could argue quite well I was scum if the kill order were reversed, if the kill I would never make happened on the night I wasn't around and the kill I definitely would make was on the night I was around, but the fact of the matter is, the kills hard-clear me.)

(fixing the misspeaking I did)

Wow, that kind’ve hurts, I think I’m plenty charismatic and scum obviously did consider me “NK worthy” or I obviously wouldn’t be dead now in A now would I?

But feel free to continue to discount me.

[Amy Dunne]

Dwlee99 has been eliminated in the Mini Theme!

They were:

Spoiler:

Welcome, Dwlee99 to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Petition 1969

, aligned with the Petition faction.

You have your voice, your vote, and a secret lounge where you and the other Petitions may lounge around and play Snooker. Additionally, to make you less useless than real world petitions, you may straight up murder someone every night.

Additionally, you may target a player each night and choose Loved or Hated. That player will have that modifier for the next day phase as long as there are at least three more non Petition players than Petition players.

You win when Petitions control half of the votes, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

It is now night in the Mini Theme.

Night actions are due within (expired on 2021-12-14 01:00:00).

Now if we can get one scum in A. I have no idea who would kill me in this game but scum must have feared RCE so that’s why I’ve been focused on that and why based on my earlier argument about scum!RR not having played with RCE since 2020 if ever, doesn’t really make sense to me that he’d kill him in this game, so my working theory is that scum had good reason to fear RCE. Mastina, why does RR kill me here? It just sounds pretty dumb to me.

[Amy Dunne]

Also, a bit late now, but I think we should have waited just a bit longer to eliminate Dwlee, which is why I didn't vote for them earlier. Ideally we'd have the games spread out as much as possible, but having ~22 hours should be enough I suppose

Why should we have waited?

[Amy Dunne]

I still think Cheeky has decent odds of flipping mafia in Game A.

T3 scumclaimed in B with that hammer on Ircher.

I really don’t get your Cheeky read. I miselimed her in ELSM B in part because most of her play in that was off the charts scummy but why would Cheeky, out of pretty much anyone in this game, kill me? We also know she was jk’d by RCE, so we know she didn’t kill him.

Wouldn’t you think scum!Cheeky would want to keep me alive?

[Amy Dunne]

Game A has the deepest scoundrels.

And unfortunately nobody there is cleared in my mind.

with three dead tprs in that too. We need to think, who most likely kills RCE? Who most likely kills me? Both of those are weird kills. Jk and tracker are already dead, so why am I dead in A? Who has the most reason to kill me?

[Amy Dunne]

Miss Amy Dunne,

I send my regards and request for aid.

<3

The second part makes me think there should be some sort of celebrity telethon raising funds or something.

[Amy Dunne]

I still think Cheeky has decent odds of flipping mafia in Game A.

T3 scumclaimed in B with that hammer on Ircher.

T3 mechanically cannot be scum, unless I'm scum as well. Since I am not, he's apparently just Town that made a very large mistake

Can you explain this?

[Amy Dunne]

Also, a bit late now, but I think we should have waited just a bit longer to eliminate Dwlee, which is why I didn't vote for them earlier. Ideally we'd have the games spread out as much as possible, but having ~22 hours should be enough I suppose

Why should we have waited?

Just so we get a little more space between the games. Definitely shouldn't have waited a whole other phase or anything, just a few more hours.

What do you think could have happened in a few hours that would make a difference?

[Amy Dunne]

Way ahead of you on that one

Great because we’re in serious danger of losing A, so we obviously need all the help we can get in both games.

[Amy Dunne]

Dwlee99 has been eliminated in the Mini Theme!

They were:

Spoiler:

Welcome, Dwlee99 to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Petition 1969

, aligned with the Petition faction.

You have your voice, your vote, and a secret lounge where you and the other Petitions may lounge around and play Snooker. Additionally, to make you less useless than real world petitions, you may straight up murder someone every night.

Additionally, you may target a player each night and choose Loved or Hated. That player will have that modifier for the next day phase as long as there are at least three more non Petition players than Petition players.

You win when Petitions control half of the votes, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

It is now night in the Mini Theme.

Night actions are due within (expired on 2021-12-14 01:00:00).

Now if we can get one scum in A. I have no idea who would kill me in this game but scum must have feared RCE so that’s why I’ve been focused on that and why based on my earlier argument about scum!RR not having played with RCE since 2020 if ever, doesn’t really make sense to me that he’d kill him in this game, so my working theory is that scum had good reason to fear RCE. Mastina, why does RR kill me here? It just sounds pretty dumb to me.

I can give speculation, but honestly, I don't know why the scum have made the kills that they have. I can tell you why they're not the kills I'd make, because of them not making sense to me as kills (well, sort of), but I can't tell you why scum made moves which, frankly, I agree with you in being suboptimal.

The fact remains that someone made the suboptimal night kill.

I feel that I can fairly definitively demonstrate why I don't make that suboptimal kill, but I can't figure out who the player most likely to make said suboptimal kill would be.

Well as I pointed out earlier, I don’t believe RCE softed anything, so my working theory is at least one scum had reason to fear being caught by RCE. My kill especially after Ircher flip is more of a mystery to me.

[Amy Dunne]

Also cheeky's reads bad and think I may have been onto something with thinking they're scum game A

No, I don’t think Cheeky is scum in any game. She was scum in only one game in ElSM and her play here is like night and day.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, Mastina, House and I are all town in our remaining games.

Mastina is 3rd party and I'm not scrambling to call Amy town

I’m not a fan of this post. You’re DL so I find this take kind’ve hypocritical.

And, I don’t understand this post wrt to me either? Especially recently.

@Cheeky, didn’t you say that Dunn and Dwelee were likely the same alignment in B or did I misunderstand you?

[Amy Dunne]

Also cheeky's reads bad and think I may have been onto something with thinking they're scum game A

Nice try Dwlee. I never kill mastina and Amy here lol.

You were also jk’d by RCE.

[Amy Dunne]

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=87907&user_select%5B%5D=30424


Cheeky in ELSM. People sr Cheeky here, tell me how her play here is remotely similar.

[Amy Dunne]

Metabad

How? Two similar setups played very recently. That’s actually the best kind of meta.

[Amy Dunne]

actually nah there's no point in me not giving the bare minimum of what's happening
i am an investigative with soft innos on dunn and chloe

If this is true then the scum team is just RR/Cheeky/Titus

But I don't quite believe you

Can my reads really be this bad? :/

If so, Chloe is a genius.

I’m not sure how I feel about this. I’m thrilled if this is right but my ego takes another huge wallop from once again being pocketed.

[Amy Dunne]

Y'all I'm gonna preempt whatever T3 is gonna say with: DO NOT QUICKLY REACT TO ANYTHING HE SAYS

He is extremely skilled at fake claims

Is he? So you think it’s fake then? I believe the inno on Chloe but I’m not tr Dunn at all, I could definitely see him being scum in both games if this claim is bs.

Because I tr Cheeky/Titus/RR.

I don’t know what to think rn.

[Amy Dunne]

Only thing is that the NKs in A were hella weird and I could see A50 possibly killing RCE. And then I die next. Something is definitely up with that.

[Amy Dunne]

So I don’t think Dweele is lying about being town in A and Chloe seems pretty obvtown, so that leaves two more slots alive in A to complete the townblock.

If we believe T3, that’s him and Dunn, if not, at least one of Cheeky/Titus/RR still have to be scum.

[Amy Dunne]

So I don’t think Dweele is lying about being town in A and Chloe seems pretty obvtown, so that leaves two more slots alive in A to complete the townblock.

If we believe T3, that’s him and Dunn, if not,

at least one of Cheeky/Titus/RR still have to be scum

.

[Amy Dunne]

Forgot to mention this but yes we need to massclaim in the Normal game/game 1/game A.

As a NRG member, I will be fairly able to give good feedback on the claims and figure out which are likely real and which are likely fake so you shouldn't vote until I've given input.

Ircher via the neighborhood in game 2 where he can apparently talk still can and should do similar, checking my work and me checking his.

I think a massclaim is a great idea. One thing is Meg was tracker. Do you think we have two invests in A?

So T3 could possibly be lying here.

What’s NRG?

[Amy Dunne]

Double Flip!

MegAzumarill has been determined as the prime suspect for Mafia activity, and as such has been taken to an undisclosed location and 'disposed of' for the good of the community.

They were:

Spoiler: Normal

Welcome to game! You are a

Town Tracker

.

You have the following active ability:

• Each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn who that player targeted that night. (You will get "no result" if this action is blocked.)

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Does it seem likely that we have two invests in A?

[Amy Dunne]

Meg was Tracker and RCE was JK, which has both protective and investigative utility. So that's a Lot of Town power if T3's telling the truth here...

Ircher was also tpr in A.

[Amy Dunne]

Double Flip!

Sorting through the paperwork on my desk today I got rid of a bunch of stuff I didn't need any more. Birth Certificates, Pay Stubs, Tax Forms, the deed to my house, and Ircher.

He was:

Spoiler:

Welcome, Ircher to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Form 1040

, aligned with the Paperwork faction.

You may fill the game thread with many glorious words which contain the information needed to deduce the logic and reasoning behind the intentions of the other players in this game. All of the forms in this game have this power. You may also vote to retire some of the forms from use. Sadly, this destruction of forms is necessary, as there are petitions hidden amongst the forms that are trying to simplify the bureaucratic process, allowing the average individual to access the inner workings of their representation without hours of frustration and pain. Frankly, this cannot stand.

You win when all enemies of Paperwork have been eliminated and at least one Form is still alive.

[Amy Dunne]

Meg was Tracker and RCE was JK, which has both protective and investigative utility. So that's a Lot of Town power if T3's telling the truth here...

Ircher was also tpr in A.

Also another invest.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, if T3 is fakeclaiming, do you feel there's any chance that he's town or is it one lie too many?

If T3 is scum, is this a bus or protect as many people as possible?

Well, I don’t tr Dunn but I do Chloe. I’m also extremely suspicious of the Chloe invest. It’s a brilliant gambit of T3’s scum because he “innos” one obvtown along with slot that isn’t.

If I’m an invest in A, I 100% don’t waste it on Chloe.

[Amy Dunne]

Double Hammer!

Normally, Ircher would be alive. But in the most normal game you can possibly imagine he happened to be:

Spoiler:

A Vanilla Townie!

Wait, am I mixing these up?

[Amy Dunne]

So, B has two invests then and A has tracker + jk.

@T3 exactly what kind of invest are you?

[Amy Dunne]

If I’m an invest in A, I 100% don’t waste it on Chloe.

Maybe he's a scum invest?

Maybe. Because my reads don’t gel with T3/Dunn town but I still have to be wrong on ONE of Cheeky/RR/you and I still don’t think I’m wrong on Cheeky or you.

Unless Dwelee is bsing us here and I don’t see why he would since then you’d have to argue, he sacrificed being scum in one game for another, which seems less likely imo then he’s probably telling the truth about that.

[Amy Dunne]

So, B has two invests then and A has tracker + jk.

@T3 exactly what kind of invest are you?

Game B only has 1 invest flipped?

Ircher, Cheeky.

[Amy Dunne]

So, B has two invests then and A has tracker + jk.

@T3 exactly what kind of invest are you?

Game B only has 1 invest flipped?

Ircher, Cheeky.

Additionally, as an entirely sequential form, you're particularly sensitive to things being in the correct order. Each night, you may choose a wagon that existed at the end of the previous day. You will be told how many times the faction of two sequential votes was different. (Paperwork Petition Paperwork would result in a result of 2 and Paperwork Paperwork Petition Petition would result in 1.)

[Amy Dunne]

Ircher was a VT in game b lol

Don’t confuse me. Which one did he flip vt and which one invest? Jingle writes these things so confusing.

[Amy Dunne]

Double Hammer!

Normally, Ircher would be alive. But in

the most normal game you can possibly imagine

he happened to be:

Spoiler:

A Vanilla Townie!

No, this sounds like he’s vt in A, so Titus is right.

[Amy Dunne]

VT in both

I thought his role had something to do with a role I had seen in a previous game where one player had to write out their solve every night.

[Amy Dunne]

Titus seems really townie here, so I don’t believe T3’s claim.

[Amy Dunne]

VT in both

I thought his role had something to do with a role I had seen in a previous game where one player had to write out their solve every night.

No worries, just help me find the other two scum besides T3.

Dunn and I lean RR > Cheeky but if we lim Dunn and T3, we’re probably in a decent spot. Also Cheeky was jk’d by RCE and her play here is 180 degrees different than in ELSM.

But just in case, we’re probably safe with limming Dunn or T3, I think.

I think claiming to invest Chloe is extremely suspicious.

[Amy Dunne]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

[Amy Dunne]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Didn't RCE die night 1 so his death wouldn't be explained by a rolecop either?

Right, so if scum has a an actual role cop, then why are me and Mastina dead then?

Yeah, not buying T3’s claim. If scum has a rolecop, then they would have at least one tpr dead if not two on d2 & 3.

[Amy Dunne]

RCEnigma has died in the Mini Normal! He was

Spoiler:

Town Jailkeeper.

Vote Count Normal.2.00

Radical Rat (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Ircher (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Dwlee99 (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

T3 (E-6):

House (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (11):

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Mini Theme

Night One Continues! All actions are due by: (expired on 2021-12-05 18:00:00)!

Yep, Titus is right, only tpr who died was on N1.

[Amy Dunne]

Meh it's not like unbelievable

not really a soft clear other than "these three people I checked probably aren't ALL scum together" so

Anyway, even if T3 is telling the truth, all it confirms is no role cop in Dunn/Chloe.

So it doesn’t make Dunn town but if T3 is telling the truth then likely two of RR/Cheeky/Titus is fooling me if you believe Dwelee’s claim.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, do you have an order for massclaim?

Dunn, RR, Cheeky, you, Chloe since Dwelee and T3 have already claimed.

[Amy Dunne]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Didn't RCE die night 1 so his death wouldn't be explained by a rolecop either?

Right, so if scum has a an actual role cop, then why are me and Mastina dead then?

Yeah, not buying T3’s claim. If scum has a rolecop, then they would have at least one tpr dead if not two on d2 & 3.

Because scum Rolecopped VT's who are not on Nights 1 and 2.

How does that explain that though? Your argument is that scum rolecopped other vts than me and Mastina?

[Amy Dunne]

I think we need to hear from T3 about why he fakeclaimed and why he hammered.

T3's desire to avoid questions and then comes out with a suspicious claim may be a stall tactic.

The question I was avoiding is why I thought Dunn was town.
I thought Dunn was town because of my night action result (and it would be suboptimal to claim it yesterday instead of today), so this point is wrong.

How? Based on this, three scum in A, two of which can’t be rc. If there was only one scum left and the other two didn’t flip rc, then this argument would make sense.

[Amy Dunne]

T3 we both know you're good at fake claiming. You need to out the nature of your investigation asap

Let’s not vote Dunn in A.
Thanks.

forgot to mention that chloe is town in a

I have reason to believe dunn is town in a

i think these crumbs should suffice for now

None of these confirm anyone town, just not rc.

[Amy Dunne]

Meg was Tracker and RCE was JK, which has both protective and investigative utility. So that's a Lot of Town power if T3's telling the truth here...

Agreed. T3 is almost certainly fakeclaiming. The question is, for what purpose?

No. My role is fairly weak, in that it can only find one scum. Same goes for Meg's Tracker role, it can only find one scum. So that's 2 weak investigatives and a strong protective.
(This is assuming there is a scum rolecop. There definitely isn't a Town Rolecop as that would mean 3 town investigatives, which is very unlikely. So I'm assuming the Rolecop is a Mafia Rolecop.)

Tracker can potentially find ALL scum. If there's a rolecop, as your claim implies, then that gives reason to look at a slot closer. Same for any other potential scum PRs. In addition to having a very strong immediate guilty if the killer is tracked, I would Not consider Tracker a weak investigative.

Each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn who that player targeted that night. (You will get "no result" if this action is blocked.)

[Amy Dunne]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Didn't RCE die night 1 so his death wouldn't be explained by a rolecop either?

Right, so if scum has a an actual role cop, then why are me and Mastina dead then?

Yeah, not buying T3’s claim. If scum has a rolecop, then they would have at least one tpr dead if not two on d2 & 3.

Because scum Rolecopped VT's who are not on Nights 1 and 2.

How does that explain that though? Your argument is that scum rolecopped other vts than me and Mastina?

I mean, yeah.
Unless there's no rolecop

Well if there is one, they’re obviously doing a terrible job then, aren’t they?

[Amy Dunne]

I just skimmed through a bunch of Lady Chloe's more recent posts and it's making me really not like their odds of being town in A.

Why not?

[Amy Dunne]

Oh and Chloe town across the remaining games is probably my most confident read. I don't really see them as partners with any slot.

RCE hard tr Chloe.

[Amy Dunne]

Oh and Chloe town across the remaining games is probably my most confident read. I don't really see them as partners with any slot.

D: look what you did scum!

RCE hard tr Chloe before he was killed.

[Amy Dunne]

Do you think that's the reason RCE was killed, or something else?

Well since he never softed, my working theory has been all along that scum feared him, so someone he’s maybe good at catching as scum?

Idk because he jk’d Cheeky not you but scum apparently considered me and Mastina the greatest threats for some reason, that’s usually a good sign that my current reads are good and I think I was suspicious of Dunn, so who knows?

[Amy Dunne]

It makes sense to me, especially if I'm correct about Miss Cheeky.

I’m not sure what to think anymore if T3 is on the level but despite what House thinks, this looks like town!Titus to me, so it means that I would have to be wrong on two of my trs, even if I’m right about Dunn. because

If Chloe, Titus, T3 and Dwelee are all town, then that means scum would have to be Dunn, RR, Cheeky, right?

[Amy Dunne]

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Demon Lord, Dunnstral, T3, mastina

We know Chloe is Town because of the flip, and T3 is Town because of Cheeky's result, so one, but not both, of Amy/Dunnstral have to be scum.

Well. that obviously settles it because I know I’m town, so Dunn is either scum or this is wrong.

[Amy Dunne]

I died in the theme?

Damn it.

:/

RCE, Cheeky, you.

[Amy Dunne]

I want to take a reasonless strawpoll on eliminating Amy versus Dunn versus Rat (included by theoretical only) in the theme game. There must be at least one scum between them as I doubt RR fakes as town here.

I'm not saying RR faked. Just theory here.

I don’t understand what’s going on but a universal backup to such an already strong town role sounds really unbalanced so, it’s possible.

[Amy Dunne]

I don't know about B. Maybe house?

Sure.

Lim me in B so I can be free of this weird nightmare of a game.

I feel for you.

[Amy Dunne]

Also cheeky's reads bad and think I may have been onto something with thinking they're scum game A

Nice try Dwlee. I never kill mastina and Amy here lol.

Cheeky seems really sincere here.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Demon Lord, Dunnstral, T3, mastina

We know Chloe is Town because of the flip, and T3 is Town because of Cheeky's result, so one, but not both, of Amy/Dunnstral have to be scum.

Well. that obviously settles it because I know I’m town, so Dunn is either scum or this is wrong.

Also, why is T3 town?

[Amy Dunne]

Because there's only one alignment change after Cheeky on Meg's wagon, which is the one between myself and Dwlee. T3 is before me, so in order for him to be scum, I must be as well, or there'd be another change. Since I know my own alignment, I know T3 must be Town as well. If you doubt my alignment, just wait for scum to nightkill me. Or they can put it off to make me look bad, in which case I'll just get more results to share, so. Their move.

You sound very sincere but I have real trouble believing that Jingle would design such an extremely townsided game here. So that makes me think something about this just can’t be right.

[Amy Dunne]

A Hammer!

Normal Game

It is now Night 3 in the Normal Game. Night 3 will last until (expired on 2021-12-13 03:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.3.FINAL

Dwlee99 (E-0):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe,

Demon Lord

, Dunnstral, T3, mastina,

T3 (E-5):

House (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Radical Rat (E-6):

Amy Dunne(E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Titus (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

RCEnigma (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (8):

Dwlee99, Radical Rat, House, Titus, RCEnigma

With 10 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2021-12-21 15:00:00).

Okay, so this is definitely not adding up here, since RR wasn’t even on this wagon and Dunn double voted. Glad I caught this. I think that even if RR’s claim is true, something about this is missing something. I know it differed from Cheeky’s, so I think I’m definitely on to something here.

[Amy Dunne]

A Hammer!

Normal Game

It is now Night 3 in the Normal Game. Night 3 will last until (expired on 2021-12-13 03:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.3.FINAL

Dwlee99 (E-0):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe,

Demon Lord

, Dunnstral, T3, mastina,

T3 (E-5):

House (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Radical Rat (E-6):

Amy Dunne(E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Titus (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

RCEnigma (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (8):

Dwlee99, Radical Rat, House, Titus, RCEnigma

With 10 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2021-12-21 15:00:00).

Okay, so this is definitely not adding up here, since RR wasn’t even on this wagon and Dunn double voted. Glad I caught this. I think that even if RR’s claim is true, something about this is missing something. I know it differed from Cheeky’s, so I think I’m definitely on to something here.

[Amy Dunne]

T3 is also Town. So it's Amy OR Dunn + House/T3/Alyssa

T3 is also Town. So it's Amy OR Dunn + House/Alyssa

EBWOP

Again, why is T3 town? So you have it between me/Dunn and now House/Alyssa? Neither of them were even on Dwelee. wtf?

[Amy Dunne]

We are near or at mech in game B if RR is town.

We can force a wagon once we decide who to eliminate.

No, why can’t be town but wrong? Why is that impossible, especially since his results and Cheeky’s seem to be divergent?

[Amy Dunne]

Also, not thrilled that suddenly both of you are suddenly forgetting about A. I’m not going to let scum skate to a win.

Who is scum in A? RR? Titus? T3?

I think Dunn most likely but since I’m dead, I can’t vote him.

[Amy Dunne]

We are near or at mech in game B if RR is town.

We can force a wagon once we decide who to eliminate.

No, why can’t be town but wrong? Why is that impossible, especially since his results and Cheeky’s seem to be divergent?

Rephrase please

I’m not entirely clear on how this works but it looked to me that Cheeky had arrived at different results, so someone should compare and contrast those reads.

[Amy Dunne]

Also, not thrilled that suddenly both of you are suddenly forgetting about A. I’m not going to let scum skate to a win.

Who is scum in A? RR? Titus? T3?

I think Dunn most likely but since I’m dead, I can’t vote him.

I’m dead for a reason and I think Dunn probably has the strongest reason to kill me. Also he pushed T3 for being confused. Still not sure on who his buddies are.

But I don’t think it’s Titus. I don’t think Chloe either but Alyssa’s read is making me a bit paranoid of that. I don’t know why Cheeky would want me dead but I could see her wanting RCE dead but idk but then there was the jk.

[Amy Dunne]

I'd be voting Amy right now based on her responses and the fact it would not fuck up game A but it screws up the mech in forcing scum's hand

I honestly wouldn’t care except I will flip town.

But what really makes me angry is that I won’t get to solve A.

If you’re town in A, you will 100% regret voting me because I will find who’s scum.

So, you ignoring my questions about A, is starting to make me doubt you, in A.

I don’t want to be miselimed and A be a scum stomp because I’m dead and no longer get a say in that.

[Amy Dunne]

Also, not thrilled that suddenly both of you are suddenly forgetting about A. I’m not going to let scum skate to a win.

Who is scum in A? RR? Titus? T3?

I think Dunn most likely but since I’m dead, I can’t vote him.

Titus, are you scum in A?

I have asked you now 3 fucking times to answer this. Why are you trying to shut me down?

[Amy Dunne]

@Amy, you should still be able to vote Dunn in B.

If you think RR is town in B, then Dunn is confscum to you in B.

I would but I think you just scumclaimed in A.

So feel free to vote me in B but my dying wish is for you to be limmed next in A.

[Amy Dunne]

Also, not thrilled that suddenly both of you are suddenly forgetting about A. I’m not going to let scum skate to a win.

Who is scum in A? RR? Titus? T3?

I think Dunn most likely but since I’m dead, I can’t vote him.

Titus, are you scum in A?

I have asked you now 3 fucking times to answer this. Why are you trying to shut me down?

Titus is refusing to ignore my questions. She’s scum in A, bank!

[Amy Dunne]

Titus, once again, who is scum in A?

If I wasn’t dead in that game, I’d powerlim you into next week for refusing to answer my questions.

Titus, Dunn, RR.

Scum in A.

Now I can die happy.

[Amy Dunne]

I do agree we should focus on Game 1 for now.

I probably should have waited to claim until we had the day settled there, but I did not, so here we are.

I do not agree that Titus is scumclaiming in 1 by being distracted by the mechanical solve in 2. I think that's a fairly normal reaction to getting a bunch of new information.

Both of you are suss in A, so disagree. Why wouldn’t scum in A prefer to focus on B?

Cheeky could be a possible miselim in that. I still think Chloe is probably town.

Dwelee is probably town from claim and think I buy T3 rolecop finder especially since I’m not convinced he’s town in B but I’m probably getting miselimed anyway, so will do my damndest to make sure scum doesn’t stomp A,since I won’t get a say in that once I’m dead. And Titus’ eqgerness to miselim me, makes me think greater > rand chance she’s scum in A. House was suspicious of her as well. But she wants to shut me up but I won’t. I won’t let scum skate through A until my dying breath.

[Amy Dunne]

I'd be voting Amy right now based on her responses and the fact it would not fuck up game A but it screws up the mech in forcing scum's hand

I honestly wouldn’t care except I will flip town.

But what really makes me angry is that I won’t get to solve A.

If you’re town in A, you will 100% regret voting me because I will find who’s scum.

So, you ignoring my questions about A, is starting to make me doubt you, in A.

I don’t want to be miselimed and A be a scum stomp because I’m dead and no longer get a say in that.

I haven't ignored you in A.
My positions are unchanged from yesterday.
I would like feedback on them.

Regardless, you should happy as Game B is mech for you as long as Dunn is eliminated.

I’m not happy because I want A solved and you’re conveniently disregarding what I said about how Cheeky’s reads differed from RR. Another thing you’re ignoring.

[Amy Dunne]

Titus, once again, who is scum in A?

If I wasn’t dead in that game, I’d powerlim you into next week for refusing to answer my questions.

Titus, Dunn, RR.

Scum in A.

Now I can die happy.

Town loses so many games because people ignore dead town’s reads all the time. Don’t let it happen in this game.

[Amy Dunne]

My results don't contradict Cheeky's. We analyzed different wagons with different compositions.

Explain this, because it didn’t look that way to me?

[Amy Dunne]

I would lim T3 at the moment for scum in A.

RR would be an ok lim for the VCA. Same as Dunn.

What if he’s telling the truth? I mean if T3 is buddies with Dunn, he really doesn’t help Dunn at all with this claim.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, acting like I ignored you is bullshit when I said my opinions were unchanged from yesterday.

You started deflecting onto Game A when I asked you who out of House or Alyssa is scum.

I repeat myself. Who is scum, House or Alyssa?

I missed it. I don’t have an answer. I have reasons for thinking both could be town here.

[Amy Dunne]

I would lim T3 at the moment for scum in A.

RR would be an ok lim for the VCA. Same as Dunn.

What if he’s telling the truth? I mean if T3 is buddies with Dunn, he really doesn’t help Dunn at all with this claim.

Faking an inno on your buddy certainly helps them.

But it’s really not. T3’s results if true, only have Dunn and Chloe as not RC, right? Because only one out of three scum can be possible RC but sure it’s possible but even then, who is the third?

I still think Cheeky sounds different here than in ELSM but I think Dunn is most likely scum.

As for B, Cheeky had either Dunn or House as same as Dwelee or did she have House as a clear? I’m still confused about that.

Dunn isn’t trying to solve either game but I very clearly am and you want to hammer me? the only one out of Dunn/House/Alyssa who is actually doing anything? I have no words.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, acting like I ignored you is bullshit when I said my opinions were unchanged from yesterday.

You started deflecting onto Game A when I asked you who out of House or Alyssa is scum.

I repeat myself. Who is scum, House or Alyssa?

I missed it. I don’t have an answer. I have reasons for thinking both could be town here.

Then let's talk it out.

I’m very obviously trying to do that.

[Amy Dunne]

Why does T3 investigate you if he's town?

When did he investigate me? Did I miss something?

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, in Game B, I have only seen what has happened since my sub in. So from my perspective, none of you have done anything. Then, when I press you in B, you start talking about A and ignoring my replies.

As for A solve, I haven't seen a reference sample for Cheeky. I agree I don't like Dunn in either game. Dwlee grew on me. T3 claiming innos colors minds, which is very helpful for scum.

You said he investigated me, where?

I’m okay with limming Dunn, since Cheeky said he and Dweele were both scum, right because of DL thing, correct?

I’m pretty sure that’s what she said because DL was first and Dwelee last on Meg wagon.

[Amy Dunne]

Why does T3 investigate you if he's town?

When did he investigate me? Did I miss something?

I confused you for Chloe. Modify this question please.

Yeah, that seriously did ping me. I don’t understand why anyone investigates Chloe here. From the pov of past games, all of T3, Dunn and Cheeky would have reason to kill RCE and I metadived RR and found no games where scum!RR had played with RCE.

[Amy Dunne]

You said he investigated me, where?

You missed my correction.

You keep missing my replies in an urge to speak with me. Please slow down. It will save frustration.

Can you case Dunn in both games?

We have two players in A who claim 3p. Of both Dunn and Mastina, she’s been actively solving and him referencing her for claiming 3p bothered me because didn’t he also claim that as well?

I also think that both of them can’t be town aligned, so either Dunn is mafia or 3p scum.

As for A, he voted T3 for being confused in a game where it makes perfect sense to be confused in. So I’d probably lim Dunn next in both games.

[Amy Dunne]

Dunn/RR + one of T3/Cheeky. YW

[Amy Dunne]

Dunn/RR + one of T3/Cheeky. YW

Final solve.

Remember this post because once I’m dead.

[Amy Dunne]

You said he investigated me, where?

You missed my correction.

You keep missing my replies in an urge to speak with me. Please slow down. It will save frustration.

Can you case Dunn in both games?

We have two players in A who claim 3p. Of both Dunn and Mastina, she’s been actively solving and him referencing her for claiming 3p bothered me because didn’t he also claim that as well?

I also think that both of them can’t be town aligned, so either Dunn is mafia or 3p scum.

As for A, he voted T3 for being confused in a game where it makes perfect sense to be confused in. So I’d probably lim Dunn next in both games.

Your vote in B would be helpful, even if it has no effect in A.

I will probably vote Dunn.

Vote Dunn first, then RR and then probably T3.

[Amy Dunne]

Dunn/RR + one of T3/Cheeky. YW

Final solve.

Remember this post because once I’m dead.

Actually

Dunn/RR/T3

My gut has a > than rand chance of being right. It’s exactly Dunn/RR/T3.

I trust in Cheeky town.

[Amy Dunne]

You said he investigated me, where?

You missed my correction.

You keep missing my replies in an urge to speak with me. Please slow down. It will save frustration.

Can you case Dunn in both games?

We have two players in A who claim 3p. Of both Dunn and Mastina, she’s been actively solving and him referencing her for claiming 3p bothered me because didn’t he also claim that as well?

I also think that both of them can’t be town aligned, so either Dunn is mafia or 3p scum.

As for A, he voted T3 for being confused in a game where it makes perfect sense to be confused in. So I’d probably lim Dunn next in both games.

Your vote in B would be helpful, even if it has no effect in A.

We have to be careful, you don't.

I don’t understand, do you want me to vote Dunn or not?

[Amy Dunne]

Given the near total lack of overlap, if we follow my plan, we can safely eliminate Dunn in B without impacting A due to lack of overlap in living players.

Why tf wouldn’t you want to vote him in A?

You keep making posts like this that make me think it could be you.

[Amy Dunne]

Given the near total lack of overlap, if we follow my plan, we can safely eliminate Dunn in B without impacting A due to lack of overlap in living players.

Why tf wouldn’t you want to vote him in A?

You keep making posts like this that make me think it could be you.

Like there are three fucking scum who are probably not Chloe I lean to not Dwelee based off of claim and presumably fypov not you, so who tf does that leave: T3/RR/Cheeky.

It’s possible I could still be wrong on Cheeky but Dunn has been working overtime to distance both T3/RR, so that makes me think it isn’t her.

[Amy Dunne]

Yes. I do.

What those comments mean is that your vote only counts in Game B so it won't effect elo in A and Dunn is confscum to you. As long as we get 1 of House/Alyssa on we are good. They don't overlap with A either.

Do you think Dunn is town in either? I don’t like that you don’t want to vote him in A, since based on my solve he’s extremely likely to be scum in both.

[Amy Dunne]

Given the near total lack of overlap, if we follow my plan, we can safely eliminate Dunn in B without impacting A due to lack of overlap in living players.

Why tf wouldn’t you want to vote him in A?

You keep making posts like this that make me think it could be you.

Like there are three fucking scum who are probably not Chloe I lean to not Dwelee based off of claim and presumably fypov not you, so who tf does that leave: T3/RR/Cheeky.

It’s possible I could still be wrong on Cheeky but Dunn has been working overtime to distance both T3/RR, so that makes me think it isn’t her.

I forgot Dunn.

My point is that if you/Chloe/Dwelee are town, than that leaves Dunn/T3/RR/Cheeky, one of which has to be town and Dunn is the least likely of the four to be town.

[Amy Dunne]

Yes. I do.

What those comments mean is that your vote only counts in Game B so it won't effect elo in A and Dunn is confscum to you. As long as we get 1 of House/Alyssa on we are good. They don't overlap with A either.

Do you think Dunn is town in either? I don’t like that you don’t want to vote him in A, since based on my solve he’s extremely likely to be scum in both.

Again, you're misunderstanding. I want Dunn dead in A. I just want him dead

in a particular way

.

If we eliminate him in B first, then we can get pairings of which to play off of much easier as if it was traditional elo.

If we eliminate him in A first, then we likely eliminate him in B too greatly reducing the information in both games.

In short, I want to leverage B to resolve both A and B.

If no one gets it, I'm totally fine straight voting Dunn.

Well that you’re right about I don’t get this. We should just straight up double flip him, so I don’t understand what you think separating the flips solve?

Also Dunn is playing very differently here than in ELSM.

[Amy Dunne]

Ftr I believe that there is pretty strong odds that RR is scum in A based on the timing that he outed this information

Yeah, RR why did you wait until now to claim?

Son you agree that it’s likely Dunn/RR/T3 then?

[Amy Dunne]

Titus, do you have a failsafe if RR happens to be scum fake claiming?

Something did occur to me. RR could be scum backup. I’ve seen ub’s be different alignments.

[Amy Dunne]

What do you see as “concerning”? I feel I have damned good reason to be legit paranoid that we were on the verge of making significant headway on A and I’m STILL DEAD in that and my stumpness ends with my flip, in case anyone’s forgotten that.

[Amy Dunne]

Also cheeky's reads bad and think I may have been onto something with thinking they're scum game A

Nice try Dwlee. I never kill mastina and Amy here lol.

And it’s THIS specific post is a big part of my paranoia.

Also, Cheeky hasn’t posted anywhere onsite since yesterday afternoon, so she’s definitely not avoiding this game.

[Amy Dunne]

Well, I just don't see any reason to be this resistant to my claim or results. It'd be incredibly silly of me to attempt this as scum, and further if you're Town, you have a chance to become mechanically confirmed. Were I Town in your position, I'd be ecstatic about this.

And the plan the whole time has been to eliminate in Game 1 FIRST, so you're in no danger of not getting a say there, at least for this day phase.

Well maybe because I don’t understand how you even arrived at those results because from what I understood from Cheeky’s solve, she had Dwelee and Dunn as the same alignment, so none of this is really making any sense to me?

[Amy Dunne]

Also cheeky's reads bad and think I may have been onto something with thinking they're scum game A

Nice try Dwlee. I never kill mastina and Amy here lol.

And it’s THIS specific post is a big part of my paranoia.

Also, Cheeky hasn’t posted anywhere onsite since yesterday afternoon, so she’s definitely not avoiding this game.

Iow, I’m extremely concerned about Cheeky being possible miselimbait, if that’s not yet clear.

[Amy Dunne]

Yes, it depends on Dwlee's alignment. If Dwlee is town the demon lord is eithere town or 3p. And scum if Dwlee is scum. There's one other scum on the wagon regardless. I think 2 on 1 off.

@RR

[Amy Dunne]

Vote Count Normal.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, Ircher, HAMMER!

Radical Rat (E-5):

Almost50, Amy Dunne,

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma,

Ircher (E-6):

MegAzumarill,

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Lady Chloe,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, HAMMER!

Radical Rat (E-4):

Almost50, Ircher, Amy Dunne,

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma,

Ircher (E-6):

MegAzumarill,

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Lady Chloe,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Dunn claimed DL.

[Amy Dunne]

I will be told how many time 2 sequential votes are different. Like town scum town = 2
Town town scum scum = 1

And the demon vote alignment is considered in the result.

Basically there 2 scum on the wagon if Demon is scum and all 3 are on the wagon if Demon is town...I think?

Ah

Well,

I control the demon lord vote

, and I'm town, so that makes house scum in game B.

[Amy Dunne]

But Dunn obviously does and he controls DL.

[Amy Dunne]

Titus, do you have a failsafe if RR happens to be scum fake claiming?

Ftr I believe that there is pretty strong odds that RR is scum in A based on the timing that he outed this information

Not exactly. Yet, it's not really worth considering until a miselimination (if there is one).

If we hit paydirt on Amy/Dunn, then RR can only pursue two miseliminations (Alyssa and House) and he'd need them both. The other of Amy/Dunn and T3 become conftown. It's not a strong move for RR to bus with that claim.

If we miss in Amy/Dunn, then we get into elo (provided no blocked kill) with Amy/Dunn/RR containing one scum. RR has to claim result or blocked. If he claims a result, his perspective is locked provided one and only one of Alyssa/House are on the wagon.

It's a very narrow route for RR, which I really only see in an RR+T3 universe.

Ok, so if you have my name first, should I assume you want to vote me first, despite the fact that I’m actively solving and Dunn isn’t doing fuck all?

[Amy Dunne]

@Amy, Why do you yhink Cheeky is an easy miselimination in A but Dunn isn't?

Because I have better reasons to think she’s town. I’ve explained all of my reasons why. But one of them, is I can’t see any associatives between Cheeky and anyone in Dunn/RR/T3, can you?

[Amy Dunne]

Like you keep telling me I should vote Dunn but unless you plan to actually join me on that, it makes no sense, especially since I can’t even vote in A.

[Amy Dunne]

Titus, do you have a failsafe if RR happens to be scum fake claiming?

Ftr I believe that there is pretty strong odds that RR is scum in A based on the timing that he outed this information

Not exactly. Yet, it's not really worth considering until a miselimination (if there is one).

If we hit paydirt on Amy/Dunn, then RR can only pursue two miseliminations (Alyssa and House) and he'd need them both. The other of Amy/Dunn and T3 become conftown. It's not a strong move for RR to bus with that claim.

If we miss in Amy/Dunn, then we get into elo (provided no blocked kill) with Amy/Dunn/RR containing one scum. RR has to claim result or blocked. If he claims a result, his perspective is locked provided one and only one of Alyssa/House are on the wagon.

It's a very narrow route for RR, which I really only see in an RR+T3 universe.

Ok, so if you have my name first, should I assume you want to vote me first, despite the fact that I’m actively solving and Dunn isn’t doing fuck all?

No. Your name being first is arbitrary, alphabetical order. Same way I refer to Alyssa/House.

Glad you mentioned that because I don’t understand why I’m arbitrarily being paired with Dunn and even less why Alyssa and House are being paired? Has Alyssa/RCE even voted in games A and B? Why can’t me and Dunn hypothetically both be town and Alyssa and House both be scum? I’d add vice-versa to that but I already know of course that I’m flipping town.

[Amy Dunne]

Like you keep telling me I should vote Dunn but unless you plan to actually join me on that, it makes no sense, especially since I can’t even vote in A.

I do plan on voting Dunn but not next to you for RR's results.

I still don’t understand them or why RR auto believes that DL is unaligned. How does that even make sense? DL was on Meg wagon which Dunn controls DL, so of course it has to be aligned, so Dunn is probably scum from that.

[Amy Dunne]

Why can’t me and Dunn hypothetically both be town and Alyssa and House both be scum?

Mech. RR's results would be a lie/faked.

RR's results say there's a scum in you/Dunn and Alyssa/House/me.

So either that's true or RR lied.

Unless RR is fakeclaiming town, Alyssa plus House cannot be scum.

And why isn’t it also possible that he could just be flat out wrong and is misunderstanding those results? I mean the DL not being aligned part makes no fucking sense. All Jingle actually said was DL couldn’t be voted directly because from what I understood from that, it’s apparently a proxy vote? So none of that is making any sense to me at all.

[Amy Dunne]

Has Alyssa/RCE even voted in games A and B?

That's concerning. Remind me to smack A50 upside the head if that's true post game.

You can check all the VCs.

[Amy Dunne]

Random analogy Amy, do you read music?

A little, why?

[Amy Dunne]

Random analogy Amy, do you read music?

A little, why?

You know how sometimes there's the really long arc that says to hold a note?

That's the Demon Lord in terms of Cheeky and RR's role

I actually don’t know what that is and even if I could probably guess at what that would be, I still don’t understand the connection?

[Amy Dunne]

Dunnstral ALSO claimed that he asked Jingle and the Demon Lord vote counts as unaligned, which negates all that.

Where? I just ISO’d him and couldn’t find that post.

[Amy Dunne]

I don't think we can vote Demon Lord according to the way vote count is set-up

I don't think we can vote Demon Lord according to the way vote count is set-up

@mod is this true?

@mod is this true?

VOTE: Demon Lord

This would be an invalid vote in all games and would result in no change to your current vote.

This the only mention of it that I could find, which only means, I couldn’t directly vote DL.

[Amy Dunne]

To be clear, that means, yes, I expect you to claim, Lady Chloe and Titus. Same for Cheeky if she's here. RR and Dunnstral need to claim, too.

So uh.

I said this over 24 hours ago.

My demand for a massclaim is even older, going back to ~48 hours ago.

Neither Cheeky nor Dunn have been here since, and while I am phoneposting and thus cannot verify their whereabouts activity wise, I'm starting to get a little towards their suspiciously long absence.

It looks an awful lot like scum trying to figure out if they should claim PR or VT, and if PR, what to do to avoid me knowing that they're bullshitting.

Cheeky isn’t ellitelling, she hasn’t been posting anywhere. I would ask mod to prod her but it’s too early.

[Amy Dunne]

Also cheeky's reads bad and think I may have been onto something with thinking they're scum game A

Nice try Dwlee. I never kill mastina and Amy here lol.

Cheeky’s post anywhere on site.

[Amy Dunne]

Because there's only one alignment change after Cheeky on Meg's wagon, which is the one between myself and Dwlee. T3 is before me, so in order for him to be scum, I must be as well, or there'd be another change. Since I know my own alignment, I know T3 must be Town as well. If you doubt my alignment, just wait for scum to nightkill me. Or they can put it off to make me look bad, in which case I'll just get more results to share, so. Their move.

RR is correct here.

I have concerns about his claim, and he very well could've been my vote today without this claim. It seems tailor made to be the perfect self defense.

It doesn't even tell us something that we didn't already know. We already knew that there was 1 scum in Amy/Dunn regardless, from Cheekys result and poe. RR makes it more official, but is still not doing much.

That said?

He's still living through this day phase at minimum, since either scum NEED to kill him to avoid deadly poe, or he continues to generate more results, potentially including some which gives actually new info to us.

So he's right; he's the Scum's problem, not ours.

Why am I being paired with Dunn and not with House/Alyssa/RR/T3? I would seriously love someone to explain this?

[Amy Dunne]

I feel like to control for mastina, we need to get mastina on record as to who she thinks scum is in each pairing

Dunn > Amy;
RR ~= House > Alyssa.

If Dunn flips scum, then tomorrow we can safely afford a RR mislim.
(It also clears T3)
If Dunn flips town, we're in a much more difficult spot in sorting RR + T3/House vs. Amy + House, but we'll cross that bridge only if we come to it.

Who do you think is scum in A? I think it’s most likely Dunn/RR/T3. Do you agree with this?

[Amy Dunne]

Also, not thrilled that suddenly both of you are suddenly forgetting about A. I’m not going to let scum skate to a win.

Who is scum in A? RR? Titus? T3?

I think Dunn most likely but since I’m dead, I can’t vote him.

This also did not escape my notice.

We need Dunn and CheekyTeeky to claim for me to share my thoughts, but that game IS my top priority. I have thoughts to share once massclaim is finished, but I can't share them prior to claims.

+1

Yeah, I’m really frustrated by that too. We might have to wait on prods soon if this doesn’t happen.

[Amy Dunne]

I am self-aware that I am not thinking critically but I do believe Dunnstral is also a good elimination for Game B at least. I've seen nothing to contradict being Mafia in A.

My reasons for scumreading Cheeky in A is best described as gun. I draw a blade dipped in poison but I don't want another haph-hazard conclusion precent a 3/3 town win.

I have distaste for T3's play if he is town in B.

I do not feel moved by the constant back snd forth between mastina, Amy, and Titus.

I wish Lady Alyssa had tea with me.

I’m not sure what back and forth you think I had with Mastina today other than I’m obviously agreeing with her on a few things?

I’ll have you know I can make a pretty mean cappuccino with whipped cream and sprinkles.

What specifically is bothering you about T3’s play in B?

[Amy Dunne]

Hey Titus, Who are the scum in A? We’re at freaking elo in A, so why are you are you paying attention almost exclusively to B when one wrong vote could hand scum the game?

[Amy Dunne]

House is town.
I wonder if Titus agrees.

Need more data.

^ see this?

Yet she hammered me without so much as a single interaction in game A.

I don't see how it's not obvious she's scum in A.

That was an accident.

What are your thoughts on game A House?
Your thoughts on Game B?

Titus, since you obviously know House is town in A and you also know that he correctly read you in both FFIV and Stumps, what do you make of his read on you here?

[Amy Dunne]

Ftr I believe that there is pretty strong odds that RR is scum in A based on the timing that he outed this information

Titus, do you have a failsafe if RR happens to be scum fake claiming?

Ftr I believe that there is pretty strong odds that RR is scum in A based on the timing that he outed this information

Not exactly. Yet, it's not really worth considering until a miselimination (if there is one).

If we hit paydirt on Amy/Dunn, then RR can only pursue two miseliminations (Alyssa and House) and he'd need them both. The other of Amy/Dunn and T3 become conftown. It's not a strong move for RR to bus with that claim.

If we miss in Amy/Dunn, then we get into elo (provided no blocked kill) with Amy/Dunn/RR containing one scum. RR has to claim result or blocked. If he claims a result, his perspective is locked provided one and only one of Alyssa/House are on the wagon.

It's a very narrow route for RR, which I really only see in an RR+T3 universe.

you're underestimating how much a scumflip in Amy/Dunn would validate his role and sell the mechanical solve as valid

plus if he is also scum in game A, which I independently suspect is the case, then it also distracts from that game as well

Who do you think are RR’s buddies? Do you still suspect Chloe or have you changed your mind on that?

[Amy Dunne]

Do we have any basis for Dunnstral's extra vote being unaligned other than him saying that he messaged the mod?

Because that is exactly the type of role I would expect scum to have to fuck with Cheeky's role

Well what’s bugging me the most about Dunn in B is that he voted Meg with DL but kept his main offwagon. Why did he do that? Dunn, if you read this, I’d like an answer please.

[Amy Dunne]

Vote Count Normal.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, Ircher, HAMMER!

Radical Rat (E-5):

Almost50, Amy Dunne,

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma,

Ircher (E-6):

MegAzumarill,

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Lady Chloe,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, HAMMER!

Radical Rat (E-4):

Almost50, Ircher, Amy Dunne,

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma,

Ircher (E-6):

MegAzumarill,

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Lady Chloe,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Oh wait I was wrong. RCE did vote in both A and B, sorry RCE/Alyssa. I need to read better.

[Amy Dunne]

RCEnigma has died in the Mini Normal! He was

Spoiler:

Town Jailkeeper.

Vote Count Normal.2.00

Radical Rat (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Ircher (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Dwlee99 (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

T3 (E-6):

House (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (11):

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Mini Theme

Night One Continues! All actions are due by: (expired on 2021-12-05 18:00:00)!

I'm not sure why RCE would die.
I didn't get the sense that he was widely tr'ed, but I wasn't really present in the thread so I wouldn't know.

T3 could be town in A. Odd flex for scum to take.

[Amy Dunne]

I will be told how many time 2 sequential votes are different. Like town scum town = 2
Town town scum scum = 1

And the demon vote alignment is considered in the result

.

Aha! Mastina is right. RR and Cheeky are contradicting each other with this.

[Amy Dunne]

Hey Titus, Who are the scum in A? We’re at freaking elo in A, so why are you are you paying attention almost exclusively to B when one wrong vote could hand scum the game?

It's a generic scum tell.

She's focused on solving B because she doesn't HAVE to solve A.

Well you’d think she’d be interested in in both but especially A. Once RR claimed ub, both him anf Titus have mainly been focused on B. Meanwhile me, Chloe and Mastina are primarily concerned with A. Actually Chloe is with both. However me and Mastina are dead in A, so that might partially account for that.

[Amy Dunne]

I will be told how many time 2 sequential votes are different. Like town scum town = 2
Town town scum scum = 1

And the demon vote alignment is considered in the result

.

Aha! Mastina is right. RR and Cheeky are contradicting each other with this.

How?

The Demon Lord vote itself is unaligned.

The Demon Lord is not a player in the game, so it makes since that wouldn't have an alignment, regardless of what Dunn is.

Cheeky says DL is considered in the result and you say it isn’t. I’m not blind. lol

[Amy Dunne]

Titus, since you obviously know House is town in A and you also know that he correctly read you in both FFIV and Stumps, what do you make of his read on you here?

I feel pretty strongly that it's spite driven in A given that his only rationale is my mistake and hammering in one game is not related to another game and that's the only thing he's referenced.

In B, he's said nothing which tells me that he's not even attempting to read my or anyone's content. I have him a hair less likely to be scum than Alyssa/RCE but not by much. Alyssa and RCE not voting is a huge concern and mastina's early reads suggest that as a possibility too, if we're assuming (which I'm not 100% sure of), that mastina's bp was hit.

Spoiler:

No One has died in the Mini Theme!

Did...did they think I was lying about being bulletproof???
Or get concerned I was legit conftown if they nightkilled???

(On that note: House is conftown for not having shown up btw.)

Regardless, I kinda wanna claim credit for the lack of the kill.

Alright, so I am home, which means I need to do this:

In Game Two, I am

(technically)

a

Bulletproof Survivor

.
It's not quite a normal Survivor wincon; it's

almost

a Town Survivor.
My wincon is to survive to the end of the game with no more than two players who're not members of the Paperwork faction alive. (Is slightly paraphrased here, but obviously, can't do an exact quote without getting modkilled and you'll forgive me for being a bit cautious given that literally the last time I got 3p I did in fact eat a modkill.) I asked the mod and, yes, I count as one of those two.

In other words, per Jingle, if there are three scum alive and they trigger their win condition, I will lose;
If there are two scum alive and they trigger their win condition, I will lose.

I could

technically

win with the scum with only one scum alive, buuuuuuut: at that point, why bother? I'm just going to townside since I need two scum dead anyway, why not make it all three?

Given that I need AT LEAST two scum dead in order to win, and pragmatically speaking probably can get the fastest win just by having all three scum be eliminated, I've been playing as if I was town the entire time. (Because I would anyway because fuck playing 3ps as scum, they are town.)

I should give a full disclaimer/confession tho.
I wasn't really planning on claiming 3p here unless one of two conditions happened.

The reason why is simple;
Mafiascum has a murderboner for third parties.
They see a 3p claim, they see "oh they're not town that means we can just eliminate them!". Even when said 3p is basically town and probably the game was

balanced

around said 3p being treated as town. (As in, 3ps that are benign/benevolent are usually, for balance purposes, meant to be treated as a town PR, meaning that the game will have three groupscum and that the town eliminating the 3p on policy will fuck them over because they are not eliminating scum.)

I didn't want to deal with the arguments of "mastina could be scum, fakeclaiming 3p", in spite of the fact that I never fakeclaim as scum.

I didn't want to deal with the arguments of "mastina could be lying about being benevolent/benign 3p", which, being paranoia-based, I have no real ability to defend against.

I didn't want to deal with lazy town players not bothering to read my claim and thinking "oh survivor = basically 4th scum" in spite of the fact that, no, actually, I cannot in fact scumside because with 3 or 2 scum alive I don't win even if I live.

You know, the arguments: "mastina just admitted to not being town", "mastina isn't town", "mastina could be lying", "mastina might end the game in a solo win", "mastina could be scum fakeclaiming 3p", and such.

Given that I was playing as if I was town, I figured that by virtue of being obvtown due to not being scum and being, well, me, mastina, that I wouldn't need to claim 3p at all if I was just that obviously town anyway. So if I could get away with just pretending I was town, I would do so, and win with the town after eliminating the third scum. The town would never know I was 3p because I was acting as town the entire time, needed two scum dead in order to win anyway, and was working with the town as basically a fullblown town bulletproof which would allow me to relentlessly hunt down and eliminate the scum as if I were town.

With the caveat of the two potential scenarios where I would need to claim.

The first scenario is if someone just directly bluntly to my face asked me, "mastina, are you 3p?". Nobody did directly, but had they, that'd indicate that they would not go murderboner for eliminating claimed 3p and would in fact be willing to work with me. Town players willing to work with someone who basically is already town anyway? Of course I'd claim in a scenario with that, it'd be antitown to not.

The second scenario is what has happened: when

not

claiming would actually

hurt

the town.

CheekyTeeky's result means exactly that. If I pretended to be town when I am not, it could actually lead to a mislim on a player that I knew to be town--and given that I am trying my damnedest to be basically full-townside, I needed to speak up to prevent that and conftown the players who I know to be conftown from the CheekyTeeky result.

However, while I did indeed want to not claim unless one of those two scenarios came up, I did leave an abundantly clear loaf (breadcrumbs but so abundant that they're a full-ass loaf) in my iso where I would let you all know:

Spoiler: I REALLY didn't want to spoiler this because I REALLY wanted y'all to read it all but I ended up quoting enough that I think I need it, sadly

I was expecting to get different alignments from different games but I ended up with basically the same thing in all three games.

"basically the same", but not THE same. Because game #2 I am a survivor, that needs scum dead in a way that makes it basically a Town Survivor, just...not technically town.

Did you roll Scum with House in setup 1 or 2??

I'm not scum at all.

Notice that in response to Almost50, I didn't say "I'm town in all 3 games"; I said "I'm not scum at all". Because I

couldn't

say I was town in all 3 games because technically speaking I'm not even though the type of nontown I am is basically town anyway.

I said I wasn't scum at all because I'm in fact, not scum in any game.

BTW I can doubly prove that I am not scum in all 3 games.

The first proof is that I didn't know that this this game had secret alts or readable pts as a Mechanic.

Because my role pm was just three roles, no account info at all.

The second proof?

I am phoneposting at work.

I work 4//7 days.

With a phone that is glitchy.
It literally keeps spazzing out, proof being: this post.

I can't be any scum accounts which posts while I am at work.

Here is a (I corrected the phone-induced errors of the original) hard-'town'slip. (It's not a townslip because I'm not town but I don't have a better term to use. It's like an anti-scumslip in that it's proof that I cannot be scum, but not proof that I am town.)

Basically, I was at work, posting with the game open for the first time, on my phone.

I saw people referencing secret alts and scum/masons, with them being able to post in a PT. (I was additionally under the impression that said PT(s) were public, readable by people not able to post in it.)

I, mistakenly, believed that to be something that applied to all three games.

As in, game #2 and game #1 would

also

have secret alts for the scumteam.

This is, apparently, not actually the case--which I would know if I had drawn scum in either game 1 or game 2.

But I didn't know that the secret alts were a specific mechanic to game #3 because I drew uninformed in all three games.

Once more, though, you may note the usage: "prove that I am not scum", rather than 'prove that I am town'.
Because, if it was necessary, I wanted to leave it open for the chance for me to claim 3p if need be, if either of the two claim-conditions happened to come true (which the second one did).

What IS the plan here?

Kill all the scum in all the games, get a triple town win.

I didn't say that *I* was town here, I just said that I wanted a triple town win from killing all the scum in all the games. Which is true; I want all the scum dead in all the games and that should generate a triple town win since I can in fact win with the town in spite of technically not being town due to basically still being town.

And it should be painfully obvious that, no, I do not in fact have alt account access. And that, no, I do not have any scumgames here.

I don't have any scumgames here, but I didn't say "I have 3 towngames". (Since again, technically not a towngame even tho it pragmatically speaking is one.)

Phoneposting, so I'll have more to say when home, but:
2:

I an hard counterclaiming bulletproof in game two.

So Meg is scum there, too. I can and will explain when home.
VOTE: MegAzumarill

BTW I should mention in the mini theme, my role has two parts. One part, I'd normally claim on D1, but due to the other half, I cannot. Basically, one half of my role loses utility if I claim either it or the other half, even though I normally would claim it. Phoneposting and this game's not my top priority right now, but I hope to post again later tonight.

Guess what role loses value when claimed? Bulletproof!
The other half is a very specific type of miller tho. I can explain better when not bloody phoneposting from a shitty ass glitchy phone.

I was hoping to draw a night kill in game two from not claiming either the bp or miller (because scum aren't going to shoot a miller), but hey, if Meg is going to out themselves as scum by claiming my role, I'll take dead scum over a failed shot on me.

um. meg said it was a joke claim.

Well I didn't read that far. I was reading offline and saw Meg claim my role, so I instantly logged in to counterclaim.
Vote stays as I think Meg is still scum even with a retraction of "it a s a joke".

Can explain when home why I think that Meg is scum in game two.
Suffice to say, you can fuck off if you think that I am scum in any of the games.
I'm not.

Mastina feels weird. It's like her posts don't have much depth.

"don't have much depth", my

ass

.

This is literally deeper reads than is physically possible in any other game.

Like, in any other game, you're reading things off of just the one game.

Here I am literally generating reads on

three

different games.

And I am giving reads and reasons for

all

of them.
I don't have the perfect ability to break down

every

game down game by game--but I'm as close as damn fucking possible on D1 of 2/3 of the games.

Reads don't get deeper than that.

In what way do you think they're shallow? Because I can fucking explain each and every single read I've got and surprise surprise! So far, most of my reads have been right in game three! And they are probably right in the other games more than they aren't, because I'm pretty fucking sure that this game's mechanic is the type of thing that I am MADE for solving. That I EXCEL at figuring out.

I'm also literally putting in more effort here than I've ever put into a game before--my

intention

was to draw the scum nightkill in game two, but failing that, I can still be nightkilled in game one, because I am being just that town. And yet, the scum can't actually shut me up, because I can't die in game two. Which is why I felt extra incentivized to try hard here. I can't die in game two, meaning that I can't TRULY die in ANY of the games, meaning that scum cannot get rid of me. (Well, barring a scum strongman in game two, which if it exists...shit. Hopefully not tho. )

So you can fuck off with calling my reads lacking depth--they have more depth in

this

game than they have

ever

had in ANY prior game of mine.

mastina is town in precisely 2/3 games.

Do you think that because you are scum in 2/3 and town in the third and thus you know me to be town in the two you are scum and are guessing the inverse for the game you aren't scum?

'Cause that's what this looks like to me!

I am a

Bulletproof (other words I didn't read)

In Game B
I am 100% serious.

For the record--this is what I saw before I stopped reading on my phone to log in. I didn't even read the entirety of the claim.

I just saw 'bulletproof' and '100% serious' and INSTANTLY scrolled up to hit the login button to counterclaim because there was no fucking chance in hell of there being two bulletproofs in a mini game in my opinion.

Even with it apparently being a joke, I think that Meg's scum

anyway

. There's multiple reasons for this. I've not read the game thread yet so not sure how the "it was a joke" came up, but. I don't think it was actually meant as a joke. I think that Meg was genuinely trying to get away with it, but decided to change it to a joke later.

I think that the claim was made with scum knowledge about the setup in setup #2 because of the things being claimed.

I think that Meg's claim was designed to get reactions--in hindsight, I shouldn't have claimed because it got the reaction it was looking for (I could've pushed Meg without claiming so probably should've but oh well, is too late now, hindsight 20/20), but I think that the claim was made basically as a way of testing the waters and seeing if Meg could fish out extra information about the town in game #2.

I genuinely think that the claim

came from a position of both scum information

, and scum agenda, in that it was designed to try and further the scum wincon in game #2.

Here, it takes some explaining, but: basically, I saw MegAzumarill claim a third party and claim bulletproof and my thought instantly jumped to, "MegAzumarill is scum in game #2 who has TMI" and was thus not joking.

I was in fact planning to draw nightkills in game #2 (again, being bulletproof and being basically a town survivor that needs scum dead, drawing scum kills to me is a GOOD thing because they couldn't kill me and it'd put the town in a better position). However, I saw MegAzumarill's claim as hard proof that Meg was informed scum in game #2.

You may notice again: "I'm not scum in any of the games". I'm in fact not scum in any of the games! But I didn't say town in all of them because while I might be basically-town in game #2 I am technically not town.

There was in fact depth to my reads tho because I was dead serious in all of them. I, again, was attempting to get

nightkilled

in game #2. As a bulletproof, who needs scum dead in order to win, I needed to be playing as if I was town and furthering the town wincon. Meaning that I needed to be as town as I've ever been before, townier than that in fact.

I do think that Ircher also TMI'd tho--Ircher said, "mastina is town in precisely 2/3 of the games". That was in fact right. But why those words instead of "mastina is scum in 1/3 of the games"? It feels like Ircher was saying exactly what he meant to say because he knew it'd be exactly the truth. He can point to 418 and say he was 100% correct--but him being 100% correct is actually

the problem

. He

shouldn't

have had any inkling of me being non-town-but-not-scum in game #2. Because again, I was powertowning, more than I've ever towned before.

Please explain to the class why a TOWN PLAYER IN GAME THREE would "intend" to tell the scum they are not a Mason??

As part of clearing me across all three games.

So basically.

I did not know about the mechanics in game #3 of there being secret alts on masons and mafias.

I thus also did not know that the mechanic was specific to

game three

.

I was on my phone at the time, so I couldn't delve into checking things more closely.

So I assumed that I, via not being scum in any of the games, had missed a core game mechanic where

every

scum/mason in

every

game had a secret alt and a public PT to talk in.

Under that assumption, I could clear myself as being not scum in any of the three games by specifying that I did not receive any alt account info or PT links in my role PMs. The process would, unfortunately, out me as not a mason in game #3...but the process would

also

conftown me across all three games, and conftowning myself across all three games is something I valued more than the chance of scum shooting me wrongly as a mason in game #3.

Now, granted. Apparently, that assumption was wrong. There are not scum alt accounts for each game with a public scum PT in each of the games. But on my phone at the time, I had no way of

knowing

it was wrong.

This is me explaining the townslip (well, slip of not being scum) further, but note again that I used 'not scum in any game', because I am in fact: not scum in any game!

Mega's claim there is very scummy for both games if that's what you're basing this off of

I think Meg implied that their claim was not serious

Having seen that it was implied and not actually explicitly stated, I am again reminding you that Meg is like 200% scum in game #2.

Again, I thought that Meg was TMI'ing in game #2 with the claim and was trying to bait me out.

They didn't even claim to be town in Game B so the rush to counterclaim is weird

Look I saw 'bulletproof', 'game 2', and '100% serious' (those words specifically, and nothing else in the post), and instantly saw red.

As in, MegAzumarill being red.

So given that I had a very limited amount of time and my phone makes posting the most frustrating borderline-impossible-yet-I-still-try thing in the world, I wasn't going to wait; I was going to make it clear that Meg was full of shit.

um. meg said it was a joke claim.

Having read Meg's posts?

Didn't happen. Not explicitly.

And the way it hasn't happened is explicitly part of the problem.

It doesn't matter even if MegAzumarill chimes in now and goes "Um, yeah, I was obviously joking?" explicitly--the drawn out way of implying it wasn't serious combined with my feelings on Meg's claim in general means that Meg is scum in game #2 anyway.

Btw since I am now home, I

can

fullclaim.
In Game #2, I'm an Activated Combined Bulletproof Miller (it's not called that in my role PM, but that's what the role boils down to being in effect, can paraphrase the flavor if people

really

want me to).
As in, I can activate a Bulletproof every single night; if I do so, I become a Miller that night.
The Miller though specifies that I do not appear as town to an alignment investigation. Meaning that I

should

be a Miller to precisely one role and would appear town to all others.
I should appear as "not scum" to an alignment cop who receives results in the form of "scum/not scum";
I should appear as "does not have a gun" to a gunsmith;
I should appear as "cannot kill" to a psychiatrist;
I should appear as "has not killed" to a detective;
I should not show as visiting anyone to a tracker (maybe maybe MAYBE self-visiting, depending on whether the Activation counts, but I don't

think

it does);
I should not show as visiting anyone to a follower (maybe maybe MAYBE 'protective', depending on whether the Activation counts, but I don't

think

it does);
You get the idea.

I can't become

conftown

in game #2 while using the bulletproof, which I assume is to prevent someone from doing follow the cop and making me an invincible conftown in game #2.

But it shouldn't be an issue--I am pretty damn obviously town anyway, so like. While I can't become

conftown

while using the BP, I

can

become

basically

conftown. (And if you doubt me, you can in fact use those other roles to investigate me and confirm me, altho it would explicitly be a waste. I am painfully obviously town here so like. Your actions are better used in

actually

narrowing down who the scum are.)

I

wanted

to claim the Miller initially, but I couldn't do so without making the Bulletproof worthless. Scum aren't going to shoot a Miller because towns usually policy-eliminate Millers before lylo given that Millers cannot be confirmed as town. I figured that it wouldn't be an issue given that I should show as a guilty to specifically one and ONLY one role and not a guilty to literally all others, and because I am pretty damn obviously town.

Claiming the bulletproof on D1 when I wasn't intending to is a bit unfortunate, but I'll take a free dead scum in game #2 over the

possibility

(not guarantee) of being shot N1 in game #2.

Here I again explain why I thought that Meg TMI'd as being scum in game #2.

Beyond that, I laid out a modified version of my trueclaim.

I am not actually a miller, obviously.
But what I said there remains true:
I should appear as "not scum" to an alignment cop who receives results in the form of "scum/not scum";
I should appear as "does not have a gun" to a gunsmith;
I should appear as "cannot kill" to a psychiatrist;
I should appear as "has not killed" to a detective;
I should not show as visiting anyone to a tracker (maybe maybe MAYBE self-visiting, depending on whether the Activation counts, but I don't think it does);
I should not show as visiting anyone to a follower (maybe maybe MAYBE 'protective', depending on whether the Activation counts, but I don't think it does).

All of those remain true because they are all actually true--I'm still basically town here. I show as the town result to almost every investigation, I'm not groupscum, I require scum to be dead in order to win, for all intents and purposes, I'm basically just town. Just, technically am not town due to technically not being town.

These are the only two posts I believe where Mastina talks about being bp and nowhere does she mention anything specifically about being hit.