OMGUS
VOTE: Lapsa
VOTE: NosferatuIn post 20, Nosferatu wrote:ill literally be townier than garmr
just try to cut yr teeth on that one
You have exs named popopopo and lapsa?In post 83, Malakittens wrote:
Your name reminds me of my ex.Also this is a lazy as fuck vote and reason.
Read the above response to Popo. The same applies to you.In post 73, Lapsa wrote:let's just get rid of that bad apple
VOTE: Completly Trustworthy
choo choo policy lunch time!
From a rvs vote.In post 14, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Also, xRECKONERx, why did you vote for Zito with no stated reason? Was it random or not?
I will give ct a null town read. Because it's similar to that game so far.In post 30, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Hello everyone, this looks like it will be a very good flavor game. I always prefer those over regular games.
VOTE: Nosferatu
Also, Umlaut, why do you always vote for Davesaz as you said in 21?
Just scanning through the thread this post rubs me up the wrong way.In post 294, Malakittens wrote:Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon withI might be okay with one, but not both.both popo and lapsa.
UNVOTE: Nofs
In post 727, Nosferatu wrote:are you seriousIn post 724, Garmr wrote:Just scanning through the thread this post rubs me up the wrong way.In post 294, Malakittens wrote:Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon withI might be okay with one, but not both.both popo and lapsa.
UNVOTE: Nofs
So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get a better read on him/to make him post more content. Then when two others (pop/lapsa) sheep her, she suddenly doesn't care about nos anymore and drops the vote then starts attacking the people who sheeped her. This isn't townie thing to do.
This shows
1-That her reasoning to vote nosf wasn't very strong anyway. (she never claimed it to be through)
2-She really doesn't care that much about figuring out nos's alignment. Because Popo and lapsa votes would of added pressure to the slot.
3-Neither slot has any bearing on her read on nos at all. They don't post much content to think if one is scum they are lynching town over bussing.
4-She never intended to start a wagon on nos at all.
Potential Motives
1-Could be concerned about her image with two low content poster sheeping her on a vote that was low content.
2-Wanted to appear like she pushing by voting nos. Quite obvious she didn't care about the nos read.
3-Felt like it was dangerous to stay on Nos so wanted off and to feel safe.
VOTE: MalaKittens
Can you even read? Guess not at all otherwise you wouldn't of posted that.In post 728, Nosferatu wrote:she voted me cause i started a wagon on her for literally no reason at allIn post 724, Garmr wrote:So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get a better read on him/to make him post more content. Then when two others (pop/lapsa) sheep her, she suddenly doesn't care about nos anymore and drops the vote then starts attacking the people who sheeped her. This isn't townie thing to do.
and then two scumreads jumped on the wagon
WHY would town stay on. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME.
In post 271, Malakittens wrote:lapsa is more annoying than a scum/town read to me right now.
In post 301, Malakittens wrote:Nope, but they have been doing this all game so far.In post 297, Scioness Sajj wrote:do you scumread them or something?In post 294, Malakittens wrote:Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon with both popo and lapsa. I might be okay with one, but not both.
UNVOTE: NofsI don’t really have a read on them because the lack of content from both slots. I just refuse to be on a wagon with them until they either start playing correctly or gtfo
FixedIn post 729, Garmr wrote:HERE'S A LESSON HOW TO READ NOS
Just because there are people out there who literally have no ability to put two and two togetherIn post 724, Garmr wrote:Just scanning through the thread this post rubs me up the wrong way.In post 294, Malakittens wrote:Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon withI might be okay with one, but not both.both popo and lapsa.
UNVOTE: Nofs
So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get a better read on him/to make him post more content. Then when two others (pop/lapsa) sheep her, she suddenly doesn't care about nos anymore and drops the vote then starts attacking the people who sheeped her. This isn't townie thing to do.
This shows
1-That her reasoning to vote nosf wasn't very strong anyway. (she never claimed it to be through)
2-She really doesn't care that much about figuring out nos's alignment. Because Popo and lapsa votes would of added pressure to the slot.
3-Neither slot has any bearing on her read on nos at all. They don't post much content to think if one is scum they are lynching town over bussing.
4-She never intended to start a wagon on nos at all.
Potential Motives
1-Could be concerned about her image with two low content poster sheeping her on a vote that was low content.
2-Wanted to appear like she pushing by voting nos. Quite obvious she didn't care about the nos read.
3-Felt like it was dangerous to stay on Nos so wanted off and to feel safe.
VOTE: MalaKittens
I KNOW NOSIn post 724, Garmr wrote:
So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get abetter read on him/to make him post more content.
Tbh he looks similar to me. The game we came from had a clash of strong personalities. Much easier to form reads in that game compared to this. Like James Brafin was pretty much obvious scum. I can see things that synch up like his stubbornness and carefree attitude he displayed in this game in little tiny bits. The amount of effort his putting is less through so that's why his on my lower end of the town read list. Also I don't think pox7 will go beast mode every game, I can be pretty hard hitting one game and miss the next.In post 746, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh hey did that finish? Good.In post 740, Garmr wrote:Just finished a game with scum gamma. Gamma's emotional outburst this game feels different than the one he did as scum that game.
Gamma posts are more in your face (in a gamma way) compared to that game as well.
Also I know it's early but gamma hasn't jumped on every major wagon either which he did as scum in that game.
I'm putting gamma as town lean because of his tone and behaviour.
That game is why I scumread pox7. In that game he was a BEAST, he’s been the polar opposite here, and I can’t see any town reason for that to be that way.
Will do.In post 750, Saudade wrote:Be careful where you thread Garmr
after I sleep.In post 754, Saudade wrote:Or at least tell me what's your take on him
I was one of the first to catch you last game.In post 814, Nosferatu wrote:do what you wantIn post 738, Garmr wrote:I KNOW NOS
dont involve me in your puny squabbles
im scumhunting on a higher plane
This is the only post that actually made me raise a eyebrow at ct because it plausible. Not enough enough to knock him from my town reads through, as town can also change reads under pressure when other factors are applied.In post 774, davesaz wrote:I think CT is changing stances under pressure. Thoughts on that?
It also seems convenient that it follows gamma's vote on Umulat.In post 84, Malakittens wrote:Oh.
VOTE: Umulat
This is a good place to start. Your intro post reminds me how you started our last micro.
It's not above gamma to sheep a scum buddy for shit reasons. So if Mala flips scum I will do a complete 180 and slam down on gamma.In post 893, Gamma Emerald wrote:popopo (I don't like the way he's leading my lynch, feels like he knows it's a mislynch)In post 892, BuJaber wrote:List your top 3 lynchees in order please with reasons if the reasons are not in your ISO
GR (pretty much me sheepingJamesbut w/e)
French (weak reading that is based off me vaguely remembering agreeing with your stuff on him but not being sure)
in case you couldn't tell I want popopo most
Also these reasons are still valid.In post 733, Garmr wrote:Just because there are people out there who literally have no ability to put two and two togetherIn post 724, Garmr wrote:Just scanning through the thread this post rubs me up the wrong way.In post 294, Malakittens wrote:Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon withI might be okay with one, but not both.both popo and lapsa.
UNVOTE: Nofs
So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get a better read on him/to make him post more content. Then when two others (pop/lapsa) sheep her, she suddenly doesn't care about nos anymore and drops the vote then starts attacking the people who sheeped her. This isn't townie thing to do.
This shows
1-That her reasoning to vote nosf wasn't very strong anyway. (she never claimed it to be through)
2-She really doesn't care that much about figuring out nos's alignment. Because Popo and lapsa votes would of added pressure to the slot.
3-Neither slot has any bearing on her read on nos at all. They don't post much content to think if one is scum they are lynching town over bussing.
4-She never intended to start a wagon on nos at all.
Potential Motives
1-Could be concerned about her image with two low content poster sheeping her on a vote that was low content.
2-Wanted to appear like she pushing by voting nos. Quite obvious she didn't care about the nos read.
3-Felt like it was dangerous to stay on Nos so wanted off and to feel safe.
VOTE: MalaKittenslike NosI will go in to detail I didn't think I would have to go into.
Basically I'm saying if she wanted to form a read on nos she would of keeped her vote on him to pressure, engaged with him after that point despite taking her vote off him, the normal stuff to do when you want information out of a slot. This makes me think she has the information already on nos's alignment so she's not concerned about getting the information.
Since the slot was in no danger of getting lynched, even if she scum read those two (which she didn't) so there was nothing to lose. Also the line of thought "a scum read is voting someone I'm voting, better unvote." Is trash for two reasons. One they may be bussing then all your doing helping their cause, two you may be wrong on the scum read. It better to judge the reactions and then unvote so you get some information. So will only people that don't think will follow nos's line of surface level thought. But the fact she never really followed up on nos or show indication of looking into nos; While over explaining why she wouldn't be on the same wagon as lapsa and popo, (while being unvoted) despite claiming to be unsure makes me think it's the scum motivation rather than a town with bad logic.
Finally I think she is concerned with her looks because she didn't want to be on the same wagon as lapsa/popo. If people start looking into the wagon (it gets big enough) Her's was the only vote with substance to start picking at. (mine was rvs,lapsa and popo were blank votes.) Which is bad if you are scum. If you are town you shouldn't really care about that and be only concerned with lynching scum/getting information. Also this is speculation but if one of lapsa/popo is scum that would give extra reason to do this.
Her timing and the way she handled he jump off awkward which makes it look artificial to me.
Not the first time someone said I think in a unconventional manner, it works through.In post 835, Purrcocet wrote:VOTE: Scioness
In post 824, Garmr wrote:
You should vote mala kittens since I think I have one of the best cases in the game at this moment.
i think your case is like moon logicy af but the way you went about it to me sort of reads town
Nah this is just a excuse since you didn't actually address my actual points in the first place. Which means you are either unable to comprehend them and get on my level or you tried to strawman me multiple times.In post 853, Nosferatu wrote:i mean we don't have a history of being either friendly nor not friendlyIn post 847, Akarin wrote:Hey Nos, do Garmr and you not get along like this usually?
i dont feel strongly about mala and garmr clearly does and i dont have the mental willpower to continue talking about it with him when im just gonna get bombarded with huge letters anddumbass points
In post 871, Malakittens wrote:@garmr you do realize that I voted umulat before gamma,right?
Not at all since you gamma vote was just a side not. Maybe you should read it?In post 879, Malakittens wrote:Rip to ur case.
Oh that's right I even read 1 of those games. I don't feel like his scum this game.In post 894, Gamma Emerald wrote:He’s already done so in two newbies iircIn post 893, Garmr wrote:I dread the day sausade rolls scum.
VOTE: Davsaztictac(2)~ Scioness Sajj, Completly Trustworthy
Scioness Sajj(4)~ tictac,purrcet, Nosferatu,davesaz
davesaz(2)~Akarin, popopopopopopo
Completly Trustworthy(1)Saudade,
popopopopopopo(1)~ Gamma Emerald
Malakittens(1)~ Garmr
Lapsa(2)~ Io,hugo
Not Voting :Lapsa,Malakittens
This wagon gets better and betterIn post 742, Garmr wrote:@Krazy
Did you make everyone that was in mini normal 2023 town this game. because I like Akarin so far and I can see their logic and I have the same gut feel from that game on popopopo
Anyway a quick read list not ordered.
Town lean
Akarin
IO
Gamma
Null town-
Popopo
CT
Scum lean-
Mala
I do have some other scum reads and not just mala but I want to keep them to myself for now and see how they react.
Different circumstances. I didn't catch him with coasting alone.In post 915, Performer wrote:Garm – thoughts on nos – since you say you’re familiar with him? Also, you caught him due to 1 of your reasons of him coasting in that game. How come you didn't vote my prior slot for coasting, despite nos saying scion was coasting?
It's more like a puzzle, point 1 and point 5 were like the corner puzzle pieces to work from. That's why I get better as days go on more peices.In post 952, Garmr wrote:Everything in my post and a couple more things might as well dot point themIn post 948, Performer wrote:Nos why did you sr garmr? Garm , I think nos is town - my read on him hasn't changed since I last posted about him.
The posts on pg 38 are alarming. Hmm.
1.scum reads seem to follow general consensus.
2.Spent most of day 1 costing
3.A lot of his posts are just filler, Look at post 222 it adds nothing to the game and makes him look like his doing something.
4.Post like 484 seem to lack drive he doesn't captalise on it. In fact if you read through his iso. He doesn't really push anything to get information out of it.
5. Put himself in a position where he could lynch invis if he wanted to but waited to see how people would react. Was online for role reveal didn't put his thoughts down on invisible wagon. Put in a fluffy statement anyone could of made. Nos also made it clear that invis was a scum read early so I would think he would at least have a reaction to invi being lynched.
Question to you name a time when he actually furthered the game state or got information out of a push we otherwise wouldn't of got.
Fate will
So you literally have me dicussing where i agreed and disagreed which resulted in me ultimately disagreeing with the outcome(Him being scum) as being in perfect sync or taking it unquestionably. I think you skimmed my post or are reaching for a way to shade.In post 1035, tictac wrote: What do ya think of Garm casually agreeing to it, but not using it for anything?Cause seems like insane amount of sync with yer thought-process or took ya 4 yer word unquestioningly.In post 824, Garmr wrote:This is the only post that actually made me raise a eyebrow at ct because it plausible. Not enough enough to knock him from my town reads through, as town can also change reads under pressure when other factors are applied.
His similar play style and akwardness to his newbie game give me a gut feel the slot is town.
And then he voted ya a little later which seems super-weird if either of the above is correct.
What's this talk about conforming? Wasn't it changing under pressure?In post 1040, tictac wrote:I was talking about the existence of 'CT conforms under pressure' phenomena. Not whether or not it's AI.In post 1037, Garmr wrote:So you literally have me dicussing where i agreed and disagreed which resulted in me ultimately disagreeing with the outcome(Him being scum) as being in perfect sync or taking it unquestionably. I think you skimmed my post or are reaching for a way to shade.
Maybe ya can illustrate the phenomena better than dave can since ya supposedly can see it?
Or dave can answer my question since he's the resident expert on dave-like thought processes.
@Gamma do feel free to point out things ya see.
Well I'm going tbh I thought he was referring to the effects pressure can have on a read. I think that's clear with My answer.In post 1043, tictac wrote:sure. changing stances to be exact.In post 1042, Garmr wrote:What's this talk about conforming? Wasn't it changing under pressure?
1001 took the appeasement angle tho so that's where my head was at.
Nope pref is null. I was trying to get traction for Dave wagon. Also if Dave got lynched still I wouldn't care actually because he scum reads me and people who scum read me can get lynched. But I rather nail someone who's scum and see what happens to Dave tommorow than stop him fucking up and possibily hitting a power role.In post 1046, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Garmr, what is your opinion on Performer? You said he should vote Dave if he wants to live in 947, does that mean you think he's town?
VOTE: purrcocetIn post 1049, Purrcocet wrote:Lol wow dave
you wouldn't shoot this kitty would you
Also gamma is worrying me
i keep waffling on your because of recent posts
but like now can we please get back on the gd performer wagon please and ty
Here and phone postingIn post 1048, Purrcocet wrote:one maybe two out of 5 is not badIn post 969, davesaz wrote:Pool, subject to change
Completly Trustworthy
Hugo Stiglitz
popopopopopopo
Garmr
Purrcocet
Performer
HereIn post 1047, Purrcocet wrote:i think by not purrsuing performer it is a mistake also dave is on the side of people i semi townread
In post 1066, Performer wrote:In post 953, Nosferatu wrote:I actually maintain point 5 was you catching me for a completely bs reason that was not based in fact.In post 941, Garmr wrote:It's more like a puzzle, point 1 and point 5 were like the corner puzzle pieces to work from. That's why I get better as days go on more peices.@nos what's the point of your continued back and forth with garm about how he caught you in a done game?? Starting to look like scum theater. Not sure if from you or garm or both. If both of you are town then it's tvt but at this point of my catchup, I think it's unlikely.In post 955, Nosferatu wrote:i totally was coasting thoIn post 953, Nosferatu wrote:I actually maintain point 5 was you catching me for a completely bs reason that was not based in fact.In post 941, Garmr wrote:It's more like a puzzle, point 1 and point 5 were like the corner puzzle pieces to work from. That's why I get better as days go on more peices.
I noticed you voted me and unvoted me shortly after, just like in that game.
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@garm so what's your read on nos then? I don't recall seeing a reply about that.
In post 1071, Performer wrote:On VC 1.15, dave had these wagoners below. Dave, I hope you're into wagon analysis like I am - which is why I did what I did in the beginning of my replace, to analyze the 4 wagoners on me at that time. Tictac, purrocet, nos, you. Currently I have the 1st two as sr.
davesaz(6 -- L2) ~ Akarin(27), popopopopopopo(28), Garmr(35), Io(88), Nosferatu(108), Hugo Stiglitz(19)
Personally it looks like a town-led wagon, though not sure of popo and garm from what I recall of my readlist.
You have absolutely no consistency (must be scum with nos,then nos is town and I must be scum with IO). Also your using my name to smear other people (even through i'm town).In post 1078, Performer wrote:Starting to get suspicious of Io too....since I don't see her ISO mentioning a read on garmr. She does well mentioning her scumreads & has progressed with her sr list, but I don't see anything about a read on garmr.
I don't think CT is town . What sort of throws me off he has tic as an sr, tic has him as a tr.
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On top of my previous readlist, my reads right now are these below.
Tr at the moment:
nos, dave, GE, hugo, saud, mala, akarin, Io
Other:
ct (had me, tic, dave as scum; tunneled by saud for a long time), lapsa (voted a claimed town pr on d1), popo (him & dave have been against each other for awhile as I posted in my 924 about that too), purr, tic, garm (wanted to lynch dave & I & mala).
I would vote ct since I'm all caught up now after returning from my anniversary celebration on Saturday, but lapsa voting a town pr stands out way too much. What's extremely curious and extremely worrisome is that it wasn't even discussed .
I think you are trying to move the goal post here.In post 1098, tictac wrote:
That is beside the point however.
The statement Garm agreed with in 824 was 'CT is changing stances under pressure' and isunrelated to appeasement.
It is myeasily disprovable hypothesisthat this statement cannot be shown to be true, because it's not a thing that actually happened.
Now, townies can brainfart, but two townies are not going to brainfart in the same way without an underlying cause, which is why I asked about yer opinion on 824
pls keep in mind that I'm askingspecificallyabout whether or not ya think it's plausible that town-Garm arrived at the same view on 'CT is changing stances in response to pressure' as you did.
Yeah it is a universal statement which is why I one reason it doesn't really effect my reads on him much. It only made me look through his Iso.In post 1045, tictac wrote:"Pressure can have an effect on a read" is a statement about the universe, not a reason to raise an eyebrow at CT specifically.In post 1044, Garmr wrote:Well I'm going tbh I thought he was referring to the effects pressure can have on a read. I think that's clear with My answer.
The appeasement angle is bs.
The salient question is:
"did CT change his stances in response to pressure, such that this fact could have been independently noticed or verified by you?"
If yes, then fine.
If no, then ya likely took the statement on faith because ya knew it came from a townie.
now when dave originally made his statement I went back and tried to find statements changing under pressure, and could not find any, which is why I kept wanting to see daves thing.
Could be that you and dave are just much better readers than I am, but that is not somethingIam taking on faith.
I do not think this is the case. I do not consider myself a bad reader at all.
Doesn't really seem like appeasement to me.In post 907, Garmr wrote:The only post I like is his 774but honestly that could come from scum as well.
I don't know about reading but interpreting something different has been a problem since the begging of human history look at how many sects of the Abrahamic religions we have. Will say you have a narrow thought process. By the looks it you should higher a translatorCould be that you and dave are just much better readers than I am, but that is not something I am taking on faith.
I do not think this is the case. I do not consider myself a bad reader at all.
Was trying to do that thing you see on face book where they spell shit wrong (also order it wrong as well) but you can still understand the sentence to match with interpretation theme, but it didn't come out that way on a second read.I will say you have seem narrow thought process. By the looks of it you should hire a translator
omg shoot me now.In post 1103, Garmr wrote:Yeah I could fix it a bit through.
Was trying to do that thing you see on face book where they spell shit wrong (also order it wrong as well) but you can still understand the sentence to match with interpretation theme, but it didn't come out that way on a second read.I will say you have seem to narrow thought process. By the looks of it you should hire a translator
Derp I regret structuring it wrong now it fucks with my mind.In post 1104, Garmr wrote:omg shoot me now.In post 1103, Garmr wrote:Yeah I could fix it a bit through.
Was trying to do that thing you see on face book where they spell shit wrong (also order it wrong as well) but you can still understand the sentence to match with interpretation theme, but it didn't come out that way on a second read.I will say you have seem to have a narrow thought process. By the looks of it you should hire a translator
This made me chuckle.In post 1108, Io wrote:I guess you could say you’re a garmr niza.
Dogs>CatsIn post 1109, Purrcocet wrote:ur really doing mala over perf :/
can we not and say we did
all the evidence points to u having something against felines >:(In post 1095, Garmr wrote:I'm happy with Mala, Performer for a day 1 lynch.
I been thinking about Purrcocet and came up with a reason why we shouldn't lynch her to today I don't want to touch upon today. So I want to save her for day 2.
Change your pic to a dog (or dog girl I don't judge) and you can join me as my pseudo mason.In post 1116, Io wrote:I’ll call a trace for now as we share a common enemy.
But the kitty revolution will come and all wolves will perish.
#396In post 1139, tictac wrote:369 is a post by gamma. What is the actual one?In post 1101, Garmr wrote:If you know what post I thought was made under pressure it was 369 his evolved read list.
I'll respond to ya properly tomorrow, but will say that the thing is all about pow and not at all about appeasement.
I do not yet know if I want a wagon on ya, which is why I haven't voted. I still think perf is a good lynch tho id prefer ya to mala at this point.
Ya just keep butting in to my conversation w dave, and wanting to entrap yourself