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what's up gamers!
VOTE: marcistar
why aren't you voting?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Why is it spicy? Do you think scamper's ISO is especially townie or something?In post 125, skitter30 wrote:oh this is spicy, i'd like to hear more
also i'm not getting great vibes from nero still
his first few posts are fluff, I don't like the phrasing of 108 it doesn't actually give me any idea why scamper thinks HEM is scum while being an easy thing to say to justify your vote, 110 is offensively non-offensive. 114 also gave me a feel of trying to stir shit around Nero without actually directly getting involved.
@Ydrassewhat do you see as town here?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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addendum I forgot to add, specifically I really dislike the trailing "..." on 114, that's what gives me the shit stirring vibe. like if you think Nero being wrong in 113 means something, say that, if you don't, what's the point of the post"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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what makes you say they're not aimed at sorting? 103 directly lead to 105 which feels like useful content from fireIn post 135, scamper wrote:the questions about why dont feel like theyre aimed at actually sorting"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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cause that's what gets the game out of a no-information state, votingIn post 193, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why do you think she should be?
also you should know by now Gamma that I constantly hound people to vote their scumreads? we just went over this in Eurybia's curse, being in a state of Not Voting is literally the least useful thing you can do in the game."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Hi Datisi!In post 223, Datisi wrote:i wanna say skitter scum because she was taking nero's obvious shitpost as serious, but i feel like i have been wrong on that exact thing before
why would skitter being scum make her less likely to recognize Nero's shitpost?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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In post 211, Ausuka wrote:I've decided Datisi is scum but we should let him live because he's cool
Datisi I'm putting you in the penalty box, you're gonna need to start wowing me with some better reads to get out"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I dunno if this is useful to point out but I see people talking about me / my meta and I feel obligated to commentIn post 276, Datisi wrote:
yes. he said in that game that he fearkilled me. which means that he fears my towngame. assuming nothing has changed since then, and he still has the same thoughts on it, i highly doubt he enters this game with "actually datisi is scummy tho lol" because scum!him would KNOW i would become obvtown later on (he hasn't yet witnessed the scumlordtisi arc, i think), while town!him would absolutely poke me early if he thought i was being out of lineIn post 274, Ausuka wrote:
Ok but this doesn't address my concern. Am I wrong that you are townreading him because he sucked up to you in the one game he played as scum with town you and you think he would play the same way here? If I'm not, why do you believe that?In post 271, Datisi wrote:the same way, no. which is why i am not uberlocktowning him.
it's less that I fear you becoming obvtown and dominating the game and more that I fear you sensing that my vibes are scummy/off and making life hard for me as a result, cause a) you in particular pay more attention to how I'm playing or how hard I'm trying and b) because I feel like when we're both town we vibe in a way that I dunno if I can replicate as scum
if town!you really entered the game purposefully playing bad/scummy specifically to reaction test me to see if I call you out, that just further proves it a valid fear I think"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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scamper, let me into your head a bit, why did you feel compelled to respond to my case on you? I was sharing that mainly for skitter's benefit, but I didn't try to engage with you in the post and if you're town and I'm wrong I'd expect you to understand it's pretty early game reasoning. Are you normally a defensive player as town? Do you have prior town games where you decided to reply point by point defending against an early case like this? I don't feel like you're trying to really sort me with this reply either, so it just kinda feels like a defensive post for ?? reason, help me fill in the blankIn post 333, scamper wrote:
do i need to explain myself on page 5?In post 219, GuiltyLion wrote:I don't like the phrasing of 108 it doesn't actually give me any idea why scamper thinks HEM is scum
okIn post 219, GuiltyLion wrote:110 is offensively non-offensive.
im just disagreeing with a thing he said. like, if i wanted to "stir shit", id just call him scumIn post 219, GuiltyLion wrote:114 also gave me a feel of trying to stir shit around Nero without actually directly getting involved.
thats just how i type...In post 220, GuiltyLion wrote:addendum I forgot to add, specifically I really dislike the trailing "..." on 114, that's what gives me the shit stirring vibe. like if you think Nero being wrong in 113 means something, say that, if you don't, what's the point of the post"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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ok, looking at that post, my main thought is like... okay? I get you disagree with my read. I'm not confident enough in the vote to start trying to appeal to the game and corralling votes there, so I don't really want to argue the Finer Points of it, you disagree, cool.In post 885, skitter30 wrote:@gl i responded to ur explanation to ur scamper vote on the previous page
and I don't get why you say you don't think they "merited" a vote, like imo we're at a stage of the game where no vote should be off the table. Who do you think I should have been voting instead?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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sorry I'm realizing this phrasing might be ambiguousIn post 888, GuiltyLion wrote:where no vote should be off the table
by "no vote should be off the table", I mean "no particular individual is above being voted", not "everyone should no longer be no voting" (although I would say that is true as well!)"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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is your goal to help me read you or is it to ensure that no one else agrees with me about you?In post 886, scamper wrote:why would i not respond to a case on me even if it's early game reasons? i dont, like, care that u were pushing me there in terms of what it means for ur alignment but im not just going to let that stuff slide"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I wanna finish reading up with the game first but I will say so far I haven't found anything to TR in FireIn post 892, VP Baltar wrote:GL, you wanna vote FB?
@Fire can you channel some of that Holiday Dance Energy cause you were like my favoritest most top townread there and I'd like to have that experience again"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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hmmm this is interestingIn post 392, Irrelephant11 wrote:Bolded are places where I was surprised at GuiltyLion feeling a little firey, a little overly negative, something off about the vibe.
I dunno maybe I'm inserting a tone that isn't there but I just got negative vibes from a lot of these posts? Like a puppy trying to assert dominance. Whereas I feel like from InnocentLion I'm used to something a bit more like an older dog slowly and professor-ishly catching scum.
No offense @GL I'm just using the best silly metaphor I can think of
I get where you're coming from, I do think I've been slightly more on the aggressive side this game, but I think that's probably because it's a large with a bunch of vets so I feel I need to be more direct and to the point to actually glean memorable/useful info. and also because one of our past games was a Newbie and I try to put the kiddie gloves on in Newbies"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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how is this post different in your mind than HEM's 103 that you took issue with in 148?
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also people weighing in on Datisi in page 18 - I actually loosely TR Datisi's explanation, or at least think as either alignment he did genuinely plan to reaction test me in that way. And then once I buy that it was a reaction test, I don't really have reason to SR him. I want to trust that if Datisi is town I'll vibe it out correctly so he's not a high priority sort for me right now
@skitter - is that not what happens every game?? I've seen what feels like multiple dead threads this year of you speccing a game and calling me scum"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I'm also coming around on a HEM townread, I think this is a very townie post and I got similar vibes from IrrelIn post 470, humaneatingmonkey wrote:like i'm not out here saying GL is being overly negative, i don't think so, but i understand the pov that can think so and call it out post-by-post
@skitter tbh I will cop I ate an edible a while ago so it might be just that. in the meantime if you have scumreads that aren't me I'd like to hear those"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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this feels... dubiousIn post 488, VP Baltar wrote:I guess I kind of did answer this actually. I think datisi is kind of making up reasons after the fact around his ari play, and part of that is this assumption that I MUST rvs vote dats because I do frequently.
Datisi is well aware that I don't play the opening of games the same all the time. I take different approaches based on my mood and what I think will be interesting. It's just a contrived thought process to me."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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also just gotta say this is NOT any attempt at a crumb, at no point in the future am I going to claim this was a cop crumb or that this has anything to do with my role, I just used a stupid choice of wordIn post 908, GuiltyLion wrote:@skitter tbh I will cop I ate an edible
reminds me of a game when I said someone's case was not "bulletproof""I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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specifically I want to ask about thisIn post 488, VP Baltar wrote:I think datisi is kind of making up reasons after the fact around his ari play,
do you think 308 is fake? that post felt the most likely to be genuine to me. I don't know if I could buy that scum!Tisi invented this sequence of events on the fly, he was rapidposting around then"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I'm trying to parse that out right now with his back and forths with Ausuka and Datisi in the early 20s pages, but it's dense content and I'm genuinely not sure yet. At times it feels like VPB is just going down intellectual lines of questioning for its own sake instead of like, genuinely seeking an answer that will impact his reads - if that makes sense - but I do kinda at least see why he might have latched onto Datisi's squirrelly explanation around the ari post, which is why I wanted to get his thoughts on 308 specifically. I think as either alignment Datisi is trying some like 201 or 301 level early game shenanigans that are giving me WIFOMy mixed signals, so if VPB is just picking up on that similarly and confused I could see it coming from town. but there hasn't been a VPB post that really like rung the bell of towniness yet either"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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however I will say Ausuka is a confident townread so if they still hold a strong SR on VPB and it seems grounded, I would currently be willing to sheep/defer to that, certainly interested in hearing it out. need to fully catch up though"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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wait what do you mean in 922, like scum!Datisi did the same thing in a past game so you're suspecting him for that? It's not clear what "I also have that from datisi" means
on DV - you taking about 839? I haven't gotten to that post in context yet but I can see what you are saying, I could imagine 839 coming from scum buddying/WKing a town!Datisi. I need more from DV in general though, I kinda liked 355 as I had a similar reaction to that post reading it much later"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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ahhh
yeah I'm waffley on Datisi, I think if he's town it should eventually start showing through and if it doesn't I'm gonna be sus. I can't tell if the "I was reaction testing GL with my early game" idea is meant to pocket me or not because scum!Tisi probably thinks he's gotta project me being an important early read for him, yet I could also see him actually doing that as town. I'm looking forward to how his reads develop on you/Irrel and other slots suspecting him as I am hoping that will be useful"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I think marci and xofelf should be in the poe still, skitter is a maybe for me - doesn't need to be poe tier but I'm not sold yet, Ydrasse I think I'm comfortably townreading for the first time ever maybe, when she's scum I often get the vibe that she's faking being carefree but here I actually truly believe it. I like a HEM/Ydra/Ausuka/Irrel town coalition for now, I feel best about those four overall I think. fireisred is nearly there but I'm eternally paranoid of them cause I don't have any sense of what they're capable of scumIn post 783, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Ausuka - likely town
scamper - poe
Juice - waiting for arrival
Datisi - poe
humaneatingmonkey - town ofc
Aristeia - poe
Firebringer - pending to mid-game
Gamma Emerald - pending read on me
Nero Cain - poe
Eiralox - poe
fireisredsir - probably town
GuiltyLion - poe
VP Baltar - poe
marcistar - probably town
xofelf - likely town
skitter30 - likely town
Irrelephant11 - likely town
ydrasse - pending read on early game
Dunnstral - waiting
DeasVail - pending question on datisi townread"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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also I'm kinda liking scamper a bit more now but want to be fully caught up before moving my vote - that FB wagon is tempting but I need to see to what degree FB's addressed it so far and evaluate how it's gotten here in full context"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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@HEM - I dunno if I've caught up yet on where you expressed those reads on xofelf/marci, looking at your ISO I could buy the reasoning on xofelf but need to look at whatever marci is posting in the 700s
one pattern I've noticed with Datisi is he seems to be using suspicion on him to pressure/sort marci (613), scamper, (621) and fire (685), I am wondering if this is some kind of defense gambit to preemptively scare people off wagoning him or a genuine push for reads. To me it feels more likely to be the latter, but I am definitely biased as my heart wants Datisi to be town. What do you think?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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this is a Good PostIn post 721, Datisi wrote:
"datisi, i think it's sus you're asking me about my read on yourself rather than someone else" into "ohh, well it won't take me long to get a read on you i think" is kinda. idk it's weird. because the first part says i'm scummy for it, but in the second part, he both accepts my explanation as valid (at least that's what it sounds like) and doesn't give an updated read on me now that he's learned that. like i feel like that sorta "omission" is more likely to come from scum who never actually cared about my alignment and who's more interested in how i'm reading him than showing me how he's reading me - especially as the latter was what prompted our convo in the first placeIn post 717, Ausuka wrote:
I don't really get it? I don't even think that's a progression?In post 711, Datisi wrote:going from 689/690 into 695 felt way too easy
i was originally gonna ask baltar why he's voting firebringer, but after giving it a few more seconds of thought, i realized i don't like that progression, actually
obviously this is not very strong, but it is a ping and also i like wagons
kinda interested in what @baltar saw there, though"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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HEM now that I'm reading it in context and paying closer attention to what DV was saying, I agree with this take. I don't think DV was projecting Datisi mindset as a means of pocket or WKing but was rather pursuing an Ari sort/read and making a novel and compelling callout. I think especially if I consider it in context of Datisi not really having a lot of thread pressure on him / seeming more comfortable as well, I wasn't really sure if there was a lot of votes/suspicion on Datisi at this stage or anything in which case this would be more convenient timing for that pop inIn post 854, fireisredsir wrote:
the previous time i played with deas (as t/t) we mindmelded so much that i eventually got paranoid he could be pocketing me (partly thanks to FL encouraging that paranoia, but still)In post 851, scamper wrote:
y is that post townie?In post 845, fireisredsir wrote:deas town nice let's go
and his post was pretty close to my thought process when i saw that post from ari, but i also hadn't said it in the thread. the read from her felt kinda rote/obligatory and didn't feel like it really looked deeper at trying to figure out datisi's alignment. and i hadn't really (even mentally) put words to why i felt that, but deas' post i think more or less captured it. i understand that isn't gonna do anything for anyone else but for me it results in a townread
but even beyond that, it's also just a p nuanced view of things that shows he's reading closely and thinking carefully about the posts he's reading, and imo the fact that he felt compelled to post about it before doing his main thoughts/catchup just feels like a towny kind of "this is a point that i actually care about" type thing. that on its own might merit just a slight townlean, bc he could fake that, but it was more the fact that i really vibed with the thought that made it stronger"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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866 is good from skitter I think
I feel I have a better hold on the game now and can agree with xofelf / marci reads
I have a feeling Gamma and FB were both kinda awkward in those early 30 pages too, like surface level commentary in the middle of deeper conversation from other players that felt much more fruitful and interesting that they're not commenting on or engaging with"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I'm generally not liking that FB's vote never moved on from here. At the time when first reading I didn't like the vote or the timing of it on a gut level, but I was a bit hesitant because it felt like he had just recently re-entered the thread and wasn't caught up (676), so I could imagine FB just having a laugh and trying to interact with people in real time instead of needing to look back for content and reads and a vote. But then when he was consistently present but continued not really touching on anything interesting or substantial for the next couple hundred posts, it makes this stand out more as a lazy/bad voteIn post 703, Firebringer wrote:
think you mistyped that you will white knight skitter.In post 702, Irrelephant11 wrote:
I'll whiteknight anyone trying to elim you before D3 and you can just sheep Ydrasse or Ausuka until D3, there problem solvedIn post 698, skitter30 wrote:Ok sooooooooo joining this *may* have been a mistake ...
I might be able to catch up tonight but i'm not sure
Lets do it
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Fire I can understand if you're busy but can you at least try to take your vote more seriously than this"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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@IrrelephantI wanna know your take on 600+ post onward Datisi, if your scumread is still strong there, what you think of Datisi's reasoning for his vote on Fire"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I think you're reading something into my post that isn't there, I was giving HEM a follow up to my initial response to his question about that post in 925. You're correct I am not trying to sort you with that post, I am not trying to give or justify a townread on you there eitherIn post 970, DeasVail wrote:This would be a very narrow thing to base a read of me on though. Fireisred gets away with it because of our previous game, but you seem to be, I suppose, dismissing the read on me rather than actually trying to sort me
I don't really like the suggestion in your later post that just because I'm not actively trying to sort you means I'm not actively trying to sort in general. I had 20+ pages to catch up on last night and I was stoned, and I didn't have any major issues with anything you had posted. If HEM hadn't asked I probably wouldn't have commented on you at all. That doesn't mean sorting isn't or won't happen, give it time"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I dunno, I don't think its out of your scumrange I guess but in the VPB post he said you were making up reasons "after the fact", and if you had already "invented" everything by 237 then none of it was made up after the fact, which I think is reflected in 308.In post 990, Datisi wrote:but that whoel sequence was already "invented" at the time i made 237, this was just clarifying it. do you think 237 (specifically the ari part) is out of my scumrange?
So maybe you ~could have~ preplanned this whole sequence to try to emulate your towngame and buddy Ari, it's not impossible, but that wasn't the charge VPB was giving that I was responding to, and I think the alternate explanation where you're town is a bit simpler with respect to those posts."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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This post is bad, scamper says in the next sentence that he doesn't feel like elaborating, so this makes me feel like you're rushing to post questions/content instead of reading closelyIn post 1020, VP Baltar wrote:
Which reads bug you?In post 1018, scamper wrote:i feel like some of the townreads being thrown around right now are a little too free,"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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The fact that he's sitting on a joke vote at this stage in the game is reason enough in and of itself to vote himIn post 1029, skitter30 wrote:
Why is fire the leading wagon rn ?In post 931, T3 wrote:Firebringer (5): Ydrasse, scamper, VP Baltar, Datisi, fireisredsir
I didnt really see anything so damning in his iso, and i thought his vote on me was a joke"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Asuka, why Datisi over VPB? I could jump to VPB earlier over Datisi I think
Irrel I see your question on Ausuka I'll answer it when I get to PC"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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actually this reasoning applied to relly serves as a pretty good succinct explanation of why I'm TRing Ausuka lol. The back and forths with all of VPB, Datisi, marci, Ausuka's intent with all of their posts is extremely clear and I've been able to agree with (or at least understand) virtually every take they've given in the game. it's a holistic "complete absent of scumminess" read moreso than something I arrived at from a specific post or argumentIn post 1085, Ausuka wrote:I mean relly has said a lot of stuff I agree with and has made sense and feels like he's pushing the game in a pro town direction.
Is he good enough to fool me as scum? Almost definitely! But I'm not sure how much use it is getting paranoid on d1 if I don't have a reason to do so"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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frankly I don't think you understand me as a player at all if you genuinely think that it's weird that I would suggest thatIn post 1102, skitter30 wrote:It's not a good reason to vote him and it's weird to me that he jumped in to suggest that
@hem
Fire isn't using his vote to express a scumread nor steer the game towards eliminating someone he thinks is good to pressure or eliminate. To me that is functionally a cardinal sin in mafia and absolutely worth voting and pressuring him over. He may or may not be town doing that, but it absolutely merits a vote, especially early D1 when we don't have a lot of real info. And I have seen Fire actually try to play pro town in many games before so it's not like this is an RNG vote, I find it odd & off that I haven't vibed with anything he's said even once yet this game"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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ever since that VPB post I called out I'm just reflexively scumreading everything he's posting nowIn post 1088, Irrelephant11 wrote:I was actually just on VPB and my townlean on VPB has mostly faded at this point. Could go either way. Datisi feels like a lightning rod choice bound to pull in a lot of attention, alternatively VPB might be an interesting wagon as someone sitting closer to most people's null piles. So uh yeah, could go either way lol"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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you don't think wagoning either Fire or Datisi would be more interesting?In post 1128, Aristeia wrote:
I haven't seen anything more interesting to do with it yetIn post 1124, GuiltyLion wrote:Ari why is your vote still on HEM
do you have something you would like me to help you with?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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yeah and? why is that reason for your vote to be a joke vote? you truly don't have any inklings of suspicion/scumread on anybody?In post 1154, Firebringer wrote:Guiltylion my friend and buddy we only barely crossed the 48 hours of this game being live"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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also, phrasing it as "48 hours" is a choice when it's also been 40+ pagesIn post 1154, Firebringer wrote:Guiltylion my friend and buddy we only barely crossed the 48 hours of this game being live
content is not always a function of just time, otherwise marathon/online chat games wouldn't be a thing
there should be at least one thing you find voteworthy this game so far, especially since you've been around at points"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Mmm I just started skimming your ISO in Holiday Dance and you were more proactive about engaging with people and expressing reads in the first 48 hours, it does feel starkly different to me actually!! Different set up mechanically so can't compare your voting behavior but yah, your vibe is off here, maybe that's a function of your busy work week but it's still concerning.In post 1163, Firebringer wrote:And even the game you referenced earlier of me being so town, I am a million percent sure I wasn't off to the races in 48 hours. Because I don't have a scum read or person I want to dig in on to vote. Am i not allowed to joke vote
Also re:VPB, why not vote him then? I'd join that wagon if it got going"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Like you literally nailed 3 of the 4 scum by post 600 24 hours into the game so yeah I want that energy again here and you're not giving it
Obviously some town games will be better than others but you're not even trying yet and I'm asking you to try"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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No, that was to Firebringer in response to 1163"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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FB should vote you. I know he said you "dropped for [him] awhile ago" but I don't really understand what that means and it would still be a more useful and game advancing vote than his current skitter vote even if he doesn't suspect you all that much, so I'm still trying to poke at him why he's instead sitting on a joke vote and not doing anythingIn post 1191, VP Baltar wrote:Are you saying FB should vote me or I should vote FB?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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also, did you think I was unaware of the fact that you're already voting FB? because this is a nonsensical question otherwiseIn post 1191, VP Baltar wrote:Are you saying FB should vote me or I should vote FB?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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mmm, "ridiculous" is quite a loaded word there. Why do you think it's ridiculous?In post 1202, VP Baltar wrote:Seems like a ridiculous thing to say in either circumstance, so all i can do is ask you to clarify. Why do you need someone else to vote me first before you vote?
I don't think leaving the leading wagon to jump on a vanity wagon is good play, but if there was momentum to the point where your wagon would counter and/or eclipse Fire I would then think about switching."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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you also didn't answer my question. Did you think I was unaware that you were voting FB?In post 1202, VP Baltar wrote:Seems like a ridiculous thing to say in either circumstance, so all i can do is ask you to clarify. Why do you need someone else to vote me first before you vote?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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How am I asking for cover to vote? Like what is the logic there? "If FB (the current most suspected player by vote) votes VPB, then no one will suspect me for voting after him, despite the fact that I just immediately asked FB to do that!" Do you really think that's how I would think & approach the situation as scum? Do you really think thatIn post 1210, VP Baltar wrote:Because either you didn't see my vote or you're asking for cover to vote. It's silly either way.
If you think I scum, it's not vanity to vote me. It isn't like we are under deadline pressure.makes sense??
the "vanity" is to be the only player voting you. In a Large Game, wagons are much more useful than a spread of singular votes on players. My whole philosophy to mafia play is to build consensus quickly on townreads and suspects and force people to make decisions on which of 2 or 3 competing wagons they'd support. That's how you get actual associative info and sharp game states that give more insight into what people are thinking and where their reads lie. A smorgasbord of E-9 votes doesn't create any interesting information and makes it super easy for scum to do whatever. Keeping Fire at 5+ votes, while encouraging a counterwagon that might have real momentum, is better for creating a gamestate that will generate #content"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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it's not that I find it insulting at all, actually, it's that it's yet another point in the growing collection of times where you are asking incoherent questions that don't reflect much critical thought / game awareness. Like if anything, I'd say you should be the one embarrassed for asking the nonsensical question, I'm not insulted for calling it outIn post 1212, VP Baltar wrote:Sorry you find that insulting"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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do you think any of the people who were suspecting/debating those interactions with you stand out as scummy?In post 1216, Datisi wrote:it's like half the game is reading them completely differently."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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no, the logical play is toIn post 1218, VP Baltar wrote:Do you think it makes sense to say 'you vote first and I'll join you'?
Like if your whole deal is getting numerous votes on a wagon, then the logical play is to vote first and directly ask people to join. It's backwards to be like " well let's count the votes first to make sure we have enough before we do this for real 48 hours into D1".
You're acting like I'm a dumb shit here, but you're not making any sense about how you're pursuing wagons. If you scum read me, then vote and stop being a coward about it.
Make a case even. But don't tell me it really makes sense to go to someone you maybe scum read and then seek a coalition of 2 before voting.
Pedit - you're right. I'm so dumb. Good point.stay on the existing wagon so as not to defuse ituntil people who AREN'T on that wagon coalesce elsewhere, and then evaluate which wagon I'd prefer at that point.
Here is an example from a recent game of me making the same point with HEM, so you can tell it's an earnest belief of mine. jumping off a leading wagon to vote a different scumread is bad play
here's an example of me calling out a player (who turned out to be scum) for doing that.
I'm pretty sure I could find other examples too but these was the first I recalled
It is dumb to assume that I wasn't aware you were voting the same wagon, yes! If you are town and you don't want me to call your questions dumb (and while I think it was a dumb question, that does not mean I think you are dumb), maybe take a sec to evaluate some of your assumptions ("is GL asking me to vote FB when I'm already voting him and was doing so even before GL?") before firing hot take questions so I can see that you're putting thought into why you're posting what you're posting. Cause right now I don't see that and it makes it hard to see you as town"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I intend to look at eiralox's prior games but I do agree with you on the diff in the specific post you referencedIn post 1224, fireisredsir wrote:i feel like i had an actually kinda good point on eiralox and got zero engagement on it
I'm not ruling out a vote there, just haven't had time yet to think on it"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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ok I've glanced through some Eiralox games and they don't seem to have any completed scum games? which is something I was kinda hoping to look at to compare as a baselineIn post 1224, fireisredsir wrote:i feel like i had an actually kinda good point on eiralox and got zero engagement on it
idk if that's meaningful or not
maybe it means nobody else thinks it was a good point. or maybe it means nobody is more aware than normal about pushes on eiralox bc nobody here is partnered with them. idk
also this GL vs VP thing is super uninteresting to me, maybe datisi is right
but I do agree they seem to have more sass when suspected in recent games (here is another example I found) so yah down to sheep
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Fire I am willing to put a pause on you for now but I am taking you at your word that you are going to start actually doing real & useful things at some point and if you don't we are gonna have issues my man
also if you're genuine about finding stuff to talk about that does interest you, I do wanna know what your latest is on VPB - why he "dropped off" for you, esp when everything he's been posting today feels scummier and scummier to me, namely his bad questions (1020, 1091, 1191) and his trajectory from joking that he should shitfight with Nero (1125) to then saying he's less likely to do that as town (1207). like the implication that he's being useful by avoiding "unhelpful" fights feels a bit LAMISTy to me, but I'm not fully decided. what do you think"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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lmao yeah sorry, I think I'm always going to default to "Fire" being FB, but will try to remember to use FB
if I'm talking to/about you I'm using fireisred, you don't have the claim to "Fire" in my brain the way Firebringer does"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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