NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[Benmage]

I had outted out of the game respect for LLD.

It was overseen and I received a rolePM.

I'm willing to play so this is a tentative /confirm. But as the game hasn't started I have no issue passing if LLD cares enough.

[Benmage]

Screwit, if people can post other than /confirm.... we all have our roles. This shit counts. (Votes obviously won't)

RQS is a waste of time, and I will not answer any questions like that.

I'd much rather quick lynch someone. (we can talk theory on this)

Also Shotty, will remain as Shotty, and drmyshotgun, can be "drmy".

[Benmage]

What we call the shottys won't matter as we are policy quicklynching shotty day 1.

This works for me.

[Benmage]

KK are you town?

[Benmage]

There isnt. We have roles. Were posting. I'm playing.

Glad your town. Who else is? Mastin? I don't want to be town with him.

[Benmage]

So rack is scum. Shotty is scum. Scooby is scum.

NN lld mastin and KK are town. Hold on a sec.

Pedit redff can be town.

[Benmage]

Right, hezzlucky is scum and CCV is town.

[Benmage]

@Lld, the opener of his big post read as scum tryig to gloss over the real threat of him being likely lynched D1.

[Benmage]

@NN, reds opener to the mod. Post 111.

Can we vote yet?

Are there hydras in this game?

[Benmage]

Woah, minilibrarian is town, dur.

Vagina is scum.

I'm torn on Pine. So very wrong..... so likely town.

[Benmage]

Lets see where I'm at :

Scum :
rack
hezzlucky
Shotty
scooby
Vagina

Town :
Me
KK
LLD
mL. (Minilib.)
NN
Mastin
Redff
pine

[Benmage]

Oh right CCV should be under town.

I gotta go for now. When his games a go rack hangs. Asap.

[Benmage]

A compelling case has yet to be made that that will be necessary. Find scum, please.

What type of compelling case could you possible expect... in the confirmation stage rofl. But really.. this early. There's no cases. PL is the best case you could really expect.

I mean who are your top scum reads, and what cases do you have? (You don't really have to answer this, just making a point)

That said. redff, you're a broken record at this point. Wait to the game starts, or talk about something else.

[Benmage]

Nero needs to be vigged.

[Benmage]

Post 110 aint exactly a detailed case.

Though it explains the reasoning for why we are all suspicious of rack. He rattled off a few really empty questions to look busy. We just need PV to launch this, and I have a fine new noose I'd like to introduce him to intimately.

[Benmage]

I dont feel like wasting fine rope on nero.

Lot of people don't know how to properly use PRs, nothing wrong with suggested guidance. Stick with me NN I like you thus far. (zomgbuddying)

[Benmage]

Fuck these idtiots that think that posting a lot means you are town

Nobody has made that argument.

Also, if you're read/skimmed that people suspect you, then why haven't you posted any content yet?

Boom goes the dynamite.

[Benmage]

Hez can eat rope. Gunny can live for now.

[Benmage]

rack yes, not pine.

Gosh 1 rope per day. Blame the mod.

[Benmage]

vote rack

[Benmage]

Maxous, less talking, more voting rack

[Benmage]

Im not reading any walls mastin posts.

[Benmage]

Firestarter couldn't be more town if he was an innocent child.

[Benmage]

@DV, you are quite wrong on Hezz, especially that link to why he's town. 100% the opposite, scum constantly try to enter the game being overly cute.

And what's wrong with 141, giving reads....?

[Benmage]

What are you voting for me exactly for? Because where do you get that I'm not reading the game. (Which if true could only mean I'm town.)

Or are you voting me solely because I didn't answer your RETARDED question. It could take you. .0008 seconds to do a quick player post and search and see for yourself.

In scummiest winvintational glork called me out for being lazy (scum) and not doing minuscule leg work. Much like your lazy scummy ass.

Nice omgus vote scrub.

So bullet for me again why I'm scum.

[Benmage]

Im not reading any walls mastin posts.

While they can be pissing off, avoiding anything delibertly in the game is scummy.

No it isn't.
-Mastin is town. And I am better than him. I don't need to read his verbose waste. I'll skim his under 200 word posts.

[Benmage]

What are you voting for me exactly for? Because where do you get that I'm not reading the game. (Which if true could only mean I'm town.)

Or are you voting me solely because I didn't answer your RETARDED question. It could take you. .0008 seconds to do a quick player post and search and see for yourself.

In scummiest winvintational glork called me out for being lazy (scum) and not doing minuscule leg work. Much like your lazy scummy ass.

Nice omgus vote scrub.

So bullet for me again why I'm scum.

There is nothing in any of your posts to suggest your reads aren't anything but either contrived or, well, completely fake.

You are actively lurking trying to make it look like you are scumhunting, but contributing nothing to the town.

If you are in fact contributing to the game, there is no town motivation to post so vaguely - there is a scum motivation: not to be read. You play like you have something to hide.

I just gave you three good reasons. Now die.

Hell you JUST made a post in [REDACTED] that, without even looking at the rest of the game, was as short as your posts here but looked like it could actually help the town.

Here you are posting nothing but fluff.

Welcome to D1 here.

I've actually given reads on players already, and have explained some of those reads. I also helped lead this game into something resembling direction. But whatever you're scum blowing smoke.

Way to dodge my request at you actually stating THE REASON YOU FIRST VOTED ME, clearly and now call my content fluff.

So lets try this again (herpaderpaYoudidn'tanswermyquestionzomgzomgzomg) Why am I scummy? If you want to add reasons fine. BUT i want it based from your vote alone as well. In a nice consice manner, maybe bulleted, or with quotes/links.

Because I think you scum full of.............shit.

[Benmage]

Op missed the first post in edits.

[Benmage]

There is nothing in any of your posts to suggest your reads aren't anything but either contrived or, well, completely fake.

Your opinion. I disagree.

But if you want a more thorough explanation.... The game has barely started. 90% of my posts (hence the briefness and zero quotes) Have been from my phone. Most reads, are gut reads, or me just explaining my view on people as I read them go along.

***********Is this your first game in awhile? You've never seen people give unexplained Town and Scum reads?

You are actively lurking trying to make it look like you are scumhunting, but contributing nothing to the town.

Uhm... Wrong.

If you are in fact contributing to the game, there is no town motivation to post so vaguely - there is a scum motivation: not to be read. You play like you have something to hide.

If I am infact contributing... So You already erase your first point. (knowing it had no merit) and yield that I am contributing. COOOL. The games been open how long? I don't think I've been vague at all. Post briefly doesn't mean vagueness.

I just gave you three good reasons. Now die.

Good, lol more like 1,2,3 strikes your out. REACHING SCUM.

If you believed these reasonings when you first voted me why didn't you say so? OH RIGHT. You're scum fabricating them.

[Benmage]

@Hezz

I couldn't help but notice most of your posts are quotes followed by one-liners.

Atleast until I forced some explanation.

Since your so into EXPLAINED reads.

Lets do some more legwork.

Go ahead and give me the entire Playerlist, and list them from town to scum... Oh and explain every read as detailed as possibly.

TY.

[Benmage]

Not nero tho shotty.

[Benmage]

Gunny, your reverse role baiting is too obvious.

[Benmage]

*headdesk*

[Benmage]

I'm going to go ahead and

vote benmage

Now I had decided to do this based on post 305, the second I read it.
Overreact to one vote much? He then suddenly becomes a proactive player.
Its just too micof a reaction, his following posts do nothing to change my impression of someone trying to push attention away from themselves entirely too hard.

What would've been a proper reaction?

Moreover I found the vote baseless, and ironic as I was calling hezzy scum.

[Benmage]

Oh, and what do you mean by me "suddenly becoming a proactive player"....?

[Benmage]

Yes, I am definitely one of the better/best and more experienced player on this list. KK being another legit and experienced player. And Mastin being a pain for a long time now.

Tho one should consider that a double edge sword, as I would be the best possible scum on the list as well.

That said, evaluate me the same as you would anyone. I feel this is more or less pretty standard Benmagetown. There's a lot of people I haven't played with before, or haven't in awhile so explaining things I often consider common occurrences or common knowledge is a bit different for me.

Jason might be able to have a better grasp. Pine certainly should.

[Benmage]

Actually shotgun might be scum.

No way dude.

That absurd claim. No way in hell. That straight 100% noob town. It won't even matter because the night after the first dead PR, he dies. So you can pretty much ignore him as NK fodder.

[Benmage]

It just seems like a none issue right now. As I said, night should sort it out.

Lets seee... I really need to re-read this game and redo my reads with deeper commentary (seems to be a trend this game. I like that.) That said, I'm feeling lazy as its friday. I got rugby tomorrow, I'm shooting for the reread on Sunday.

yawn*bored.

[Benmage]

Don't spoiler a case like that next time.

[Benmage]

redFF I suggest you stop the rack hydra request. Its annoying and a broken record now.

[Benmage]

Woah. The game looks like it zoomed a bit. I'm so shot from yesterday, and been busy spring cleaning.

I'll catching up as soon as I can.

[Benmage]

@Jason, is the top bracket (mine) your scum reads? You don't specify. Also, if they are... or actually regardless .... I don't recall nor see you mentioning me at all except for a brief comment with mastin.

[Benmage]

the point was that shotgun shouldn't be given an auto town read and let him lurk to victory.

The point is noone needs to mentions shotguns name unless a PR dies, and he doesn't die the next night.

[Benmage]

8 voters, 2 former-voters, 3 interested players, 13 to lynch.
Rack's been pseudolynched already, even without the above players' opinions. Look at the names involved.

[Benmage, The Mini-Librarian, drmyshotgun, Firestarter, Kublai Khan, Pine, Lady Lambdadelta, Candy Corn Vampire], {NihilisticNinja, Psyche}, (mastin2, Maxous, DV).
[Voting]{Voted}(Interested).

Tell me, LLD, does this look like a town-driven wagon to you?

Wow.

That looks fairly amazingly town.

[Benmage]

It certainly doesn't to me.

Whose glaringly scummy on it?

[Benmage]

Yeah, I'm still catching up (on pg 21, tho read some recent posts obv), and then going to go through my reads. Right now. I'd say town driven, as in no more than 2 scum on it. (voting) I need to give DV a closer read, but I like the potential voters as town too.

So yeah. We'll see if anything changes.

[Benmage]

(BTW, this is why I let replacements have some rope to hang themselves with. Antihero is SO SO town in comparison to CCV.)

CCV was quite town imo. Loving AH too.

You have two options.

If you are confirmed town as you say, replace out. You yourself admit that people shouldn't read your posts. If you're town, you'll replace out and allow someone competent to take your slot and use it.

If you don't replace out, I'll have to act under the assumption that your claim was solely for the purpose of looking town, and that you might not be town.

So your choice, replace out or die. Either way, you're useless while you're here.

Aww LLD, lay off the poor bugger.

@Maxous: Anyone who isn't providing anything solid deserves pressure, until they do so.

So much fail.

seeingthescumpinemaybe.

[Benmage]

Pine, coasting, as you call it,

I call the weekend

Back to why I'm staying with Benmage.
Sure he had plenty of posts before the vote landed on him, but there wasn't exactly much content in them, a lot of lists and on liners, sure bitches love lists, but I felt they added nothing whilst looking pro active.
His response to the vote was to call the person voting for him retarded and then continued to extol his virtues as a paragon of mafia players which I never like and just reeks of someone trying to lead the game, he realises no-one is following me to vote for him

then his posting drops off again.

Its not much, not great but its what I see, make of it what you will

Bolded both for hypocrisy.

As far as trying to lead the game. Find me a successful scum game where scum lead from D1 and Live to lylo. GG. Hint Hint Scum don't want the spotlight attention.

[Benmage]

What posts were "content" filled?

[Benmage]

Macros, do you agree or disagree that scum are more likely to remain in the backdrop than steer the town on D1.

[Benmage]

There are no absolutes in mafia.

But I'll just tell you the answer anyways. That the norm, is for scum to stay in the backdrop on D1 (AGAIN yes you can find examples to prove anything, as there are no absolutes... BUT that isn't the norm) Only a really experienced player would attempt to lead town D1. (likemyself, and I don't recall ever trying to lead the town D1 as scum. The closest thing in memory is Mafia Invictus where DGB and I went out of our way to be active early... but not necessarily lead towns decisions.) ....It would likely require a masterfully played game involving bussing partners and buddying certain town members.

[Benmage]

Macros, do you agree or disagree that scum are more likely to remain in the backdrop than steer the town on D1.

I actually disagree.

So you think scum, go out of there way to gain spotlight attention on D1.....

[Benmage]

Ehh I feel like one is the center of attention (spotlight) when truly steering the town. Hence why I deem it rarer for scum. That said plenty of town get going late too. I'd just say scum avoid it early more often than not. Whereas I often rush to front when town. I actually meant not to do that this game, and don't think I have because it requires being "bossy" and I don't know half this playerlist.

Anyways this tangent is getting pointless.

[Benmage]

Whose glaringly scummy on it?

New-and-old, I've had scumreads on Khan, Firestarter, Pine, CCV, Ninja, and Psyche. 6/13. Null, I've got Maxous and DV. 2/13; total 8/13. Weak town I've got two, you and TML. Townread, I've got 1, LLD. Strong townread, I've got 1, drmy. Total of 4 townreads, out of 13, versus eight null or scumreads. Yeah.

Well get better. There aren't 8 scum.

[Benmage]

There can't be a single scum team of 8 is what I meant.

There could I suppose be 8 antitown roles in this game.

[Benmage]

I can only string up one scum and still find rack scummy.

I haven't completed my player review.

I've never had an avatar.

[Benmage]

I saw GI's vote before reading and swear I thought I was gonna rip him for voting Gunny.

Shotty can go. He's confscum.

Racks just asking for it so badly.

@RACK

revealing your head may save you.

[Benmage]

I'd prefer to see his reaction to the vote anyway.

And reaction ruined.

[Benmage]

I'd prefer to see his reaction to the vote anyway.

And reaction ruined.

Well screw you. I've had a long day and two gin and tonics, so let me just pass wind in your general direction.

I need a G+T.

I just see people all the time go

VOTE XXX

---I just want to see his reaction.

It completely nullifies the reaction.

OR OR the best is. V

OTE XXX until he starts contirbuting.

EASYIEST OUT to the vote. Posting rofl.

[Benmage]

Yawn * so much smoke. So very wrong.

Ill break it down later.

[Benmage]

Hezz you're hurting your own case against me with absurdity. You make a comment. I respond. That isn't zomgzomg overreaction. That's how this game works. And if anyone is guilty of omgus its already you.

[Benmage]

Hezz you're hurting your own case against me with absurdity. You make a comment. I respond. That isn't zomgzomg overreaction. That's how this game works. And if anyone is guilty of omgus its already you.

And you're supporting my case against you by coasting.

Is someone who won a "Best Town" scummie this passive and omgusy? I think not. You should be leading the town yet you seem more than content to not bother to scumhunt and just throw accusations out there.

1. How am I coasting?
2. Where am I being passive?
3. Link/quote the post I was omgusy in.
4. I'm voting scum. I'm willing to vote shotty scum, but I see no reason to leave the rack wagon. What verbosity do you want from me?

[Benmage]

Yeah, but I thought Jason town.

[Benmage]

Town buddy (and people in every game make a gagillion useless support posts like reds regardless of alignment... You should know this). Note it if you like. But alone its nothing.

[Benmage]

Nero, you really think there's 5 scum on the rack wagon?

And he game opened voting him because we had a couple pages of content prior to launch and rack was scummy as fuck.

Don't act like it was an rvs wagon that we inexplicably stuck with.

[Benmage]

Vijay if you're pressuring someone but they remain unresponsive, you don't go "shucks " and move on. You lynch them. Pressure votes are pointless if you don't have the guts to to lynch.

[Benmage]

That's dumb and cannot work. If you don't actively push, and seek who your pushing to be lynched if they don't fix their behavior, than your pressure is baseless. You can't do both. And if you do push it, it requires detailing the wagon your "ok " with.

I feel like a broken record. Pressure votes without the threat of lynching are meaningless.

And vijay. I will ask things to be repeated a 100 times. That's how this game works. I hate when people go derpderp read derpderp pay attention.

[Benmage]

And how much time do you want to allocate? Were 30 pages into D1. What have you learned from your pressure? Whose joined your cause?

[Benmage]

@Hezz

are you familiar with any of my games at all? I hit my stride later. D1 there's very little to go off of. In future days you can compare interactions vca etc etc.

But anyways I FEEL this D1 has been long enough (for most) . So I have rugby today and will likely be busy until tomorrow but when I return the content you will see from me will be an attempt to settle the day on a lynch (rack right now.... tho shotty is scum too) . I wont go about random tangents, but rather will put an end to them.

The game needs focus. I don't care if we have 2 months left on the deadline. D1 has been long enough. (And it'll still be 40 pages to get everyone to end their rants and drop final votes. IF WERE LUCKY. I bet D1 goes to 45-50 before were done here. ) that's why the wind down needs to start now and not in another 20 pages.

[Benmage]

Nero, you really think there's 5 scum on the rack wagon?

You think there's not scum on the Rack wagon? Have you ever played Mafia before?

I didn't say that.

Why couldn't you just answer my question correctly. Instead you Dodge the question and give an idiotic snide remark. Pointless.

Now answer my question.

[Benmage]

No I said there isn't gonna be a single scum team of 8. FIND ME ONE precedent of a 24 game that had a scum team of 8. FIND ME ONE.

[Benmage]

Been busy in RL. Will Get here soon.

[Benmage]

Just skimmin the last few pages. Was there a hammer?

[Benmage]

mage already told us there were two teams of 4.

I had forgotten about this. HOWEVER -- please show the class where he said two teams of four. I just found where he said 8 antitown roles. (I'd look closer, but I'm trying to get as much info in as possible before lockdown.

Here we have Nero potentially putting words in Ben's mouth.

Unrelated, please also consider the animosity between benmage and LLD in the signup thread that seems to miraculously dissipated now. Perhaps they're on the same team?

he didn't say it. Him thinkin' there were 8 anti-town roles, me suggesting that site meta suggests that would be two teams of 4 then Ben being all herp-a-derp and saying that I suggested there was 1 team of 8 sounds like pissed scum.

also lol @ defending Ben-speculating on a Ben-LLD team.

How did that sound like pissed scum..... at all?

Didn't you suggest calling me out for inside knowledge knowing there was 8 scum? or nontown roles??, and I called you ludicrous.

[Benmage]

just kidding

(something I shouldn't have said)

Mod: Please Force Replace This Slot

2nd

[Benmage]

Ehh I've seen a lot worse. I take back my request. Replacements ruin games.

Lets just continue.

[Benmage]

Hey guys away for the weekend, wont be back till Sunday.

[Benmage]

But he is.

[Benmage]

Hey all, back now, should have time for this game after work today.

Not a fan of any of the lead wagons.

I guess I'd vote pine.... need to read.

[Benmage]

Not a fan of any of the lead wagons.

I guess I'd vote pine.... need to read.

does not compute

I meant if I had to pick one.................

Of course it doesn't Benmage has been coasting and inventing reads this entire game.

And All you've done is looked at me.

You're:
A. Horrible.
B. Scum.

I'm thinking a combo.

[Benmage]

@benmage: Who would you like to wagon? Convince me here.

Hezzlucky. Granted there's a ton I haven't read.

He's seemed altogether too consumed by me. He was actually guilty of many of the things he accused me of early on.

-His parade of "Burden of Proficiency" against me is something easy to hide behind.
-His continuous useless tunnelage that I assume by now has everyone tuning him out.
-----In Inglorious Bastards a theme'd mini, I as scum, tunneled on DemonHybrid to no end. I've seen this scum tactic work before.

One it drains the person you tunnel.
Two with little support, or done slowly you can hide being this veil of 'scumhunting' for days.
Three if the person engages back you can create a tangent to hide behind/be consumed by.
Four people tune out the continuous rant and become disinterested in it, and in the people involved.

Like I said, We the scum team in IB, swept the town. DH was also who I'd consider the best town player on the list. And he's who I tunneled.

In the recent scumwiniviational (as scum) I went toe to toe with Glork, probably the best town player in that game. I kept attacking his 'experience'. Glork by the end hated the game, and vow'd never to play another scummyinvite.

In Mafia Invictus (as scum) I purposely kept Tar alive to debate with, again probably the best/ most experienced player in that game.

This aint Hezz's first rodeo. I could see him trying to tackle a big target like me. And as aformentioned the reasoning to tunnel as scum is both logical, and effective.

-Now this is a big ole rant for something that might not even matter as other than reading a bunch, there's a few things I wanted to analyze.

[Benmage]

Not a fan of any of the lead wagons.

I guess I'd vote pine.... need to read.

does not compute

I meant if I had to pick one.................

but you think all the leading wagons are town. If you think this and are town shouldn't you know try to start a wagon on scum?

I'd love to do this. If you can just stop time for everyone and everything except me, I'll get right on it.

[Benmage]

I could see him trying to tackle a big target like me.

...Hate to break it to you... but you aren't a big target; your scummy means really nothing to any of us. Rest of your case seems more like you got anti-tunnel-vision. He attacked you and you felt that therefore he must be scum and formed those opinions.

Who gives a fuck about scummies. I dont. The game I got it in was meh.

But anyways.

Who on this list is better than I?

No one. The closet in skill and experience is KK, and after the two of us it falls off drastically.

Who do you think would be the biggest?

[Benmage]

I would take myself, Kublai Khan, and Librarian before I pick you. And this is coming from someone who has seen you in multiple games the past year. You don't show someone with a lot of skill like you claim you have. The biggest target in this game? Do you mean who has the most skill in this game or who is the hardest person to bring down or who is playing the best this game?

The best overral
And the hardest to bring down, would both be me.

The best this game.. lol, I'm far down on that totem pole.

Out of curiosity, what games over the past year of mine did you follow?

[Benmage]

Hey Ben. Remember when you wanted reads from me? And I eventually gave them? Now it's your turn. Reads on everyone. GO.

(Take as long as you need. I'll be surprised if you even get it done.)

I won't waste my time.

[Benmage]

Oh, well I'm the best player in this game without a doubt. I'm also the hardest to bring down, and I'm also not the best this game. I have an open offer where if someone wants tips on their play after a game I'll always give it to them. You have to come to me though.

As for your games, I can't say all of them, but Bastardmind of Sin (it was MoS' bastermod game) I read a bit of.

Lol, I'll take the lack of mentioned games for what it is.

And that game. Well the mod nominated me for a scummy for best effort in a losing cause. SO I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

[Benmage]

Hey Ben. Remember when you wanted reads from me? And I eventually gave them? Now it's your turn. Reads on everyone. GO.

(Take as long as you need. I'll be surprised if you even get it done.)

I won't waste my time.

It's a waste of time to scumhunt?

Do you even have reads? Yes or No?

You have been beyond useless this game.

Past pg, 30? 100% true.

But I've never replaced out of a game, and I won't here because I am quite able to 180 this. (besides replacements ruin games)

I dont have any up todate reads, so we can put that down as a 1.

And I have a lot of things I'd rather do involving my method of scumhunting that I think would be alot better than methodically going over everyones play. (I'll be going over a lot of peoples) But it won't be one succinct post of brief summaries.

But anyways we aren't talking about anything here. This whole thing is pointless. So yeah. I'd love to get crackin as soon as I can.

Wanna summarize the game? Whose scum (besides me)?

[Benmage]

---
Benmage comes off as the scummier one in his tiff with HezLucky.
---

Explain please.

Still busy. This game, still on the backburner. Not much else to say.

[Benmage]

Thats a buncha quick redff votes, can someone give me a quick bulleted case please.

[Benmage]

unvote vote mastin2

SHEEEEEP SSC.

SSC, I don't know about the likelyhood of lynching mastin2. But you have my vote.

Your wiki is gonna take me longer to read than this game. Plus I didn't see a section about replacement. Can you link/name a town and scum game you replaced in.

[Benmage]

SSC, whats your opinion on rack?

[Benmage]

Wait... has he/ is he being replaced.... 11 days without a post.

MOD prod rack?

[Benmage]

? Did i miss something?

[Benmage]

Mine, or racks?

[Benmage]

Now where'd I put that dunce cap......

[Benmage]

What was reason Y again?

[Benmage]

Did Benmage seriously forgot of Rack?

Yeah I pulled an old draft list to try and grasp some of this game. Had him under slightscum...... Anywhose....

[Benmage]

What was reason Y again?

I think that you were faking not knowing Rack was lynched.

pedit: Ugh... when was the draft made?

April 16 735 pm:

Town:
Benmage
AH
KK
Scooby
Jason
NN
Mini-Lib
Fire
Shotgun
Mastin2
Vijay
LLD
Junpei
psyche


Slight town
redFF
DV
Macros
Maxous


Slight scum
Pine
Pratrye

Scum
Hezz
Rack
shotty

[Benmage]

I couldnt... old ass gut/early reads.. note the date, long before the flip.

[Benmage]

Oh having him underscum... Lol idno, missremembered when I made that first post yeesh.

[Benmage]

Do you know what flailing means?

[Benmage]

Benmage has now upped himself to my #3 scum pick. You're not unlike Mastin was with the number of supposed scum.

Can you explain this further....

[Benmage]

I'll do better hold on.

[Benmage]

1. Psyche----Quite beginner town, feeling overwhelmed. (Couldddddd be lost scum, but thinking the latter)
2. Kublai Khan--Seesaw read. Skilled player. Going with town.
3. scooby--Arrogantly town.
4. FakeGod-Who?
5. Firestarter-Who?
6. The Mini-Librarian --Logically town.
8. DeasVail --I should iso this person, something tingles scum.
9. kdowns--Who?
10. Code_X --No clue....
11. Benmage --Arguably personal worst game ever?
12. Pine--Defeated scum?
13. drmyshottyizsik --Strongest scum read.
14. HezLucky --I'd say bad town at this point.
15. drmyshotgun Isn't he conftown? How unfortunate.
16. Nero Cain --I'm down to switching to scum here.
17. redFF --Arrogant town.
19. mastin2 --I don't read his posts anymore, can we PL him please.
20. Lady Lambdadelta ---WTF is LLD.... so unlike LLD.. I'd need to iso, but Ima say scum.
21. Junpei -Attacking everyone. Attacking those who attacked you for early lurking. Town.
22. Maxous --I think I had an early town read here.
24. StrangerCoug--GI was town. SSC looks town. Hope he doesn't have any past grudges affecting this game.

So yeah. Thats just off the top of my head, with pretty the entirety of D2 either not read, or simply skimmed. So I need to read D2, and than do tons of iso-ing.

Why cant I just sheep more townies.

[Benmage]

Hey hezz did that count

[Benmage]

He's Mason/backup.. etc.... Nah, he's town.

And thats all you wanted to say?

[Benmage]

I was sheeping SSC.

The VC looks weird, because I dont even see SSC on it.

[Benmage]

Lol, No.

[Benmage]

From my skim reads. Pine was strung up, almost replaced out, right? Then came back.. but hasn't done much. Defeated feeling.

redFF is in anyones face who questions him.

[Benmage]

Lib, mastin seems alot more plausible right now. But I'd love to switch.

[Benmage]

no, we were talking about Shotty though Ben is being pretty useless this game.

true.

The Mastin wagon... still bigger than Pine.... a better lynch imo, fuck a nother day of walls. Though Pines a legit alternate.

[Benmage]

Zoooom.

unvote vote Pine.

Ditto me on KK's case.

[Benmage]

Yeah, we should just lynch Pine and save the mod the trouble of getting a replacement.

[Benmage]

Junpei: Trying to un-confirm the obv confirmed shotgun. Throwing dirt on benmage's towntell. And being the L-2 vote for yesterday's mislynch, though granted I haven't read any of day one aside from the last votecount.

Also bandwagon, choo choo, all aboard.

Liking OMGL.

Gonna need a new look at Junpei.

[Benmage]

A little free time if I got it to iso 1 player aint that much.

Me being swamped has been the largest detriment to this game. With free time and a little desire, I could 180 my actions.

[Benmage]

Also I was previously reading Junpei town. So I would like a little more personal research if I'm just gonna 180 that read.

[Benmage]

Hey guys, been off site for like 2 days. And I just player like 7 hours of rugby... Who do i need to vote?

[Benmage]

unvote vote Junpei

silly me.

[Benmage]

Ugh why is the deadline keep extending....

[Benmage]

The fact that since I replaced in and asked for the case on Junpei I've seen other people also request this and yet I've seen nobody post a case of any kind. Reaction to his current play, but not an explanation of how he became the alternate wagon.

This is a problem for me. Can one of the first 4 people on his wagon make a concise case? Otherwise I'm jumping off and trying to start a third wagon.

Why were you voting Junpei?

[Benmage]

Seacores town.

Why would scum admit to voting the alternate lead wagon?

Seems like he'd make up some reason if he was scum.

I'm not voting her. (althoughifshedoesgetylynchedshe'llhavemoretimetoworkonADWD )

[Benmage]

Why is this game still in d2.................

[Benmage]

vote drmyshottyizsik

baffled hes alive.

[Benmage]

ZZZZZ lynch shotty please

[Benmage]

Mod, replace me, I'm not really sorry, I have another game I'm in, and two more which I expect to be in a month from now. I have a life and your game is boring so I'm cutting time where I can.

LLD: I'm confident by now that you're one of those weird guys who pretends to be a girl on the internet, and I have a policy against helping those types of people.

"Your game is boring"

This player should be banned.

[Benmage]

So im still voting scum.

[Benmage]

Holy Fuck I'm not doing this deadline lynch bullshit again.

Junpei was scum.

Fallman CLAIMED SCUM IN HIS FIRST POST. THAT POST ONLY HAS SCUM MOTIVATION. SURVIVALISM IS A SCUM MOTIVATED PLAY.

HE DIDN'T SAY "LET ME SCUM HUNT". HE EXPLICTLY SAID HE WOULDN'T!

WE ARE LYNCHING FALLMAN TODAY. I WON'T LET SCUM DERAIL THIS LYNCH!

When he flips town, I'd like to lynch LLD.

unvote vote Fallman

[Benmage]

Holy Fuck I'm not doing this deadline lynch bullshit again.

Junpei was scum.

Fallman CLAIMED SCUM IN HIS FIRST POST. THAT POST ONLY HAS SCUM MOTIVATION. SURVIVALISM IS A SCUM MOTIVATED PLAY.

HE DIDN'T SAY "LET ME SCUM HUNT". HE EXPLICTLY SAID HE WOULDN'T!

WE ARE LYNCHING FALLMAN TODAY. I WON'T LET SCUM DERAIL THIS LYNCH!

When he flips town, I'd like to lynch LLD.

unvote vote Fallman

IF he flips town I would rather lynch you given the level of confidence that you are pretending to have (considering you haven't even read the game)

So have you come to the realization that have been equally useless this game?

[Benmage]

ebwop:
realization that

you

have been

[Benmage]

Ok I'm just a vanilla bystander for this matter. What I was trying to say is that I wanted to start scum hunting on a new day since I was replacing someone. The only one that I am quite suspicious of at this point is ladylambdadelta I hope I spelled that right but I am suspicious of him alone. That's all I can say. Hammer if you choose.

Lynch the vt.

[Benmage]

Ok I'm just a vanilla bystander for this matter. What I was trying to say is that I wanted to start scum hunting on a new day since I was replacing someone. The only one that I am quite suspicious of at this point is ladylambdadelta I hope I spelled that right but I am suspicious of him alone. That's all I can say. Hammer if you choose.

Can someone tell me whether this is from town or scum? I don't know how to tell.

Probably town.

[Benmage]

Fakegod, Maxwell, or Hezz for scum.

But lets lynch the VT, so LLD can sit in the corner and follow.

[Benmage]

Basically you won't have enough support for a Counterwagon as people will still scream for FM's head. So just lynch.

[Benmage]

When he flips town, I'd like to lynch LLD.

This looks like Benmage
a) knew that Junpei would flip town
b) wanted to go for massive towncred by lynching LLD..

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I am so awesome at this game, sometimes I even amaze myself.

[Benmage]

Holy Fuck I'm not doing this deadline lynch bullshit again.

Junpei was scum.

Fallman CLAIMED SCUM IN HIS FIRST POST. THAT POST ONLY HAS SCUM MOTIVATION. SURVIVALISM IS A SCUM MOTIVATED PLAY.

HE DIDN'T SAY "LET ME SCUM HUNT". HE EXPLICTLY SAID HE WOULDN'T!

WE ARE LYNCHING FALLMAN TODAY. I WON'T LET SCUM DERAIL THIS LYNCH!

When he flips town, I'd like to lynch LLD.

unvote vote Fallman

Now that LLD is dead...

VOTE: Benmage
Why did you vote someone you claimed, and we all now know, was town?

He was obviously town. Dur.

[Benmage]

Vote maxwell

Hey the guy who doesn't read, has some of the best reads thus far. *flex*

Lynch me. My awesomeness still >

[Benmage]

unvote vote Baby Spice

This is me benmage wanting to lynch scum Percy, voting town BS whatsup.

Zachs montanous game where Im town.

Yes I call someone's preferred lynch target town to help implicate them if I FEEEL STRONGLY they're scum.

[Benmage]

Why did you vote someone you claimed, and we all now know, was town?

He was obviously town. Dur.

So we should all be lynching townies so the Mafia can win, eh? Yeah.

CLEARLY

shows whose side you're on.

Benmage is our lynch today, ladies and gentlemen. I won't be upset about The Mini-Librarian being lynched, either.

Its called progression.

You aren't this dense.

I don't think I've gone a game where I didn't vote town reads of mine.

[Benmage]

This post illustrates that I have no problem voting town reads of mine to help implicate scum reads of mine. Take the inside link. Its to Zachs game, a former game where I was town.

unvote vote Baby Spice

This is me benmage wanting to lynch scum Percy, voting town BS whatsup.

Zachs montanous game where Im town.

Yes I call someone's preferred lynch target town to help implicate them if I FEEEL STRONGLY they're scum.

SOOO Everyone whose voting me solely on the zomg lld comment pretense. Well is clearly wrong.

[Benmage]

I only need 1 example of doing it as town to demonstrate its not a scum move. Fuckina that's a scummmmy post dlg.

And Meta /self Meta is awesome. Whoever educated you otherwise is wrong.

This site is an open source. If I'm lying you can find it out. Moreover as known as I am the likihood of being called out for lying is raised. Hint I'm not.

Hence why I didn't just call it a standard town move but also gave an example. Meta ftw.

[Benmage]

And seeing as I am the only one to catch scum and you want to lynch me for it, I have a reallllllly low opinion of you.

[Benmage]

Im a VT, go ahead and lynch me there's too many blind and weak people. Fighting the foolishness will not Benefit the game.

Ill take some last words when at l-1 please for final reads.

Looks like Hezz just jumped to the front of the line for misrepresentin said ongoing game. But alas wait for me to flip, you can lynch him next and either nail scum or kill one of the most retarded town plays ever.

Ill have a few more to name. Obviously shotty..Max...

[Benmage]

Fact #2 about Benmage's meta that I have learned: When he is town, he enjoys being the most active player in the game. His activity is directly tied to his alignment. THANK YOU MAGNA OF ILLUSION.

Benmage is pretty much confirmed mafia by meta at this point. Not sure what OMGL is going on about at this point. Please explain your townread on him, so that I may pick it apart / contrast it with my scumread to set you straight.

Or you can look at any ongoing games, or games that ran concurrently with this one to realize I wasn't active in any of them because I was burnt out and overburdened.

Oh look white flag mafia just ended:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21916

Im town there... where am I on the post count? Lets face it. MoI doesn't know shit. And you don't know shit.

[Benmage]

Infact just look at WFM where I ate tons of similar shit to this game. And reacted damn near the same.

Look at my iso #65.. **#74 is an explanation that only benmagetown can drop the ball

Siting several instances of past town games

.. LOOK META DEFENSE IN ANOTHER GAME IM TOWN. SAWESOME.
#76

[Benmage]

Why did you vote someone you claimed, and we all now know, was town?

He was obviously town. Dur.

So we should all be lynching townies so the Mafia can win, eh? Yeah.

CLEARLY

shows whose side you're on.

Benmage is our lynch today, ladies and gentlemen. I won't be upset about The Mini-Librarian being lynched, either.

Its called progression.

You aren't this dense.

I don't think I've gone a game where I didn't vote town reads of mine.

If I am dense in the first place, then you can help me find my way in a universe in which lynching town reads is ever a good idea.

That was my question in the first place

..

Hence why I answered it first.

I'll spell it out for you: P.R.O.G.R.E.S.S.I.O.N.

I don't think there has ever been a game where I haven't voted someone I thought was going to flip town. BECAUSE NEWS FLASH I CAN BE WRONG.

LOL look at iso #79 in white flag again! I go me town voting town llama (was the hammer... and llama flipped scum!)

[Benmage]

OK, that's an explanation that makes sense. But for future reference, lying as town is bad mmk?

Unvote, Vote: HezLucky

I still think Benmage is town. Don't give up. Join me in lynching Hez.

Neg. Join me on Maxwell.

[Benmage]

If I was powerbusing it wouldb't be my GF with an innocent on, nor someone as strong as LLD.

(yes this is me assuming the scumteam has someone weak on it)

[Benmage]

not sure what to make of benmage at this point, the post people are voting him for is bad but comes across as somewhat more condescending and sarcastic than I think people are reading it. His defense also looks bad to me but the stangercoug/code_x/fakegod votes on his wagon give me pause.

Dont like much of this post... but this part especially.

-Calls out the reasoning to vote me.
-And all my defense...

Hows it both?

[Benmage]

SC/Hezz

what do you do when I don't flip scum? Who is?

[Benmage]

And if you are town I will sheep your maxwell read -

actually, I will do this anyway

, given that I am voting you for what looks like a powerbus you pointing out another maf buddy of yours would be a fine play.

So if max is scum regardless, why not help me lynch him?

[Benmage]

SC/Hezz

what do you do when I don't flip scum?

What do I do when you don't flip scum? I rip out your throat for sabotaging us, that's what I do.

Because I'm the worst here?? Come off it take this fake anger shit elsewhere.

All you've done is tunnel on me off late for really shit reasons.

[Benmage]

Who is?

Other than you, I'd practically bet my life savings that at least one, perhaps two, of the lurkers are scum. FakeGod stands out in this regard, but HezLucky makes a point that Psyche is not much better at providing content either.

And your opinion of max is?

[Benmage]

SC

who all even falls under this "lurker category"?

[Benmage]

I'm not familiar enough with the OhGodMyLife case to push it, and even if I did I'm the most confident with Benmage at this stage of the game. Fuzzy logic, WIFOM, little real attempt at scumhunting overall... It's not clear to me what he thinks a lot of the game. All I've been able to take in is game theory, fluff, and a few opinions on players here and there. #2429 is clearly unwarranted.

This is just blahhhh. This is convincing anyone.

Fuzzy logic? Wtf does that even mean?
WIFOM.... okay? So?
little scumhunting. Fair enough. Worst contributor. Hell no. (Guess you can add deflection to the list now)
Few opinions...so?

This is warranting your blind tunnel.... Zzzzzzzz

[Benmage]

Lets see this is mainly gut and PoE I suppose. Feel free to ask for more on the reasoning:
Town:
Benmage
Psyche
andrew94
The Mini-Librarian
DLG
HezLucky
redFF

Slight town:
StrangerCoug (lynch on spot in lylo)
Maxous

Slight scum:
OhGodMyLife
Code_X
FakeGod

Scum:
DeasVail
maxwell

[Benmage]

EBWOP:
Oops DV is suppose to be town.

[Benmage]

I guess I could get behind a fakegod lynch.

[Benmage]

SC/Hezz

what do you do when I don't flip scum?

What do I do when you don't flip scum? I rip out your throat for sabotaging us, that's what I do.

Because I'm the worst here?? Come off it take this fake anger shit elsewhere.

All you've done is tunnel on me off late for really shit reasons.

If you honestly think lynching town reads is remotely near the best thing to do, you need to go back to the newbie queue. I have repeatedly asked you why your thinking makes sense and I have been unable to get a satisfactory answer out of you. The more you lynch your claimed town reads, the more often you'll be lynched yourself. I should not have to teach you or anybody else this lesson. It's

COMMON SENSE.

-I'm very rarely lynched, and I don't think a game goes by I don't lynch town reads.
-Like I said I can be wrong.
-Being 1 useless vote out there does nothing. BEING ONE ISLAND OF A VOTE AND STAGNATING A GAME KILLS GAMES. SEEING LYNCHES THOUGH;

PROGRESSION

AND THEN ANALYZING THOSE LYNCHES IS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.
-It can help incriminate scum reads by proving them wrong.
--How are you so dense?

Who is?

Other than you, I'd practically bet my life savings that at least one, perhaps two, of the lurkers are scum. FakeGod stands out in this regard, but HezLucky makes a point that Psyche is not much better at providing content either.

And your opinion of max is?[/quote]
Maxous has a good chance of being town.[/quote]
Maxwell, the one who replaced shotty. The one Im voting. Fuckina. The one who has 9 posts mr. LAL.

WIFOM.... okay? So?

I'll take that as a concession.

ANd? There's nothing scummy about it...so. Who the fuck cares? You say this isn't my town meta. I PROVE it is. You go WIFOM. And here we are. My word vs yours. Subjective subjective subjective. If this is a 'case'. It blows.

little scumhunting. Fair enough. Worst contributor. Hell no. (Guess you can add deflection to the list now)

When did I say that you were the worst contributor?

My point is several of the issues you have with me could equally be said of a multitude of individuals this game. It would be absurd to call us all scum. And you are doing a poor job of deciphering. I'm sure there is atleast 1 scum in the several lurkers. But you might mislynch 3 times, and lose the game first. Starting with me/followed by psyche. Two townies.

SC

, do you agree that there is a common practice amongst scum to lurker hunt?

[Benmage]

Few opinions...so?

I'll take that as a concession.

Who couldn't this be said of?

[Benmage]

@DLG I appreciate the analysis, it something to keep doing. Color coordinating the flipped townies and flipped scum can help make it quicker on the eyes.

However the raw data must be weighed with play. If you think this is how a scum pushes through a mislynch, you are dearly mistaken:

Holy Fuck I'm not doing this deadline lynch bullshit again.

Junpei was scum.

Fallman CLAIMED SCUM IN HIS FIRST POST. THAT POST ONLY HAS SCUM MOTIVATION. SURVIVALISM IS A SCUM MOTIVATED PLAY.

HE DIDN'T SAY "LET ME SCUM HUNT". HE EXPLICTLY SAID HE WOULDN'T!

WE ARE LYNCHING FALLMAN TODAY. I WON'T LET SCUM DERAIL THIS LYNCH!

When he flips town, I'd like to lynch LLD.

unvote vote Fallman

Ok I'm just a vanilla bystander for this matter. What I was trying to say is that I wanted to start scum hunting on a new day since I was replacing someone. The only one that I am quite suspicious of at this point is ladylambdadelta I hope I spelled that right but I am suspicious of him alone. That's all I can say. Hammer if you choose.

Can someone tell me whether this is from town or scum? I don't know how to tell.

Probably town.

Basically you won't have enough support for a Counterwagon as people will still scream for FM's head. So just lynch.

[Benmage]

-I'm very rarely lynched, and I don't think a game goes by I don't lynch town reads.
-Like I said I can be wrong.
-Being 1 useless vote out there does nothing. BEING ONE ISLAND OF A VOTE AND STAGNATING A GAME KILLS GAMES. SEEING LYNCHES THOUGH;

PROGRESSION

AND THEN ANALYZING THOSE LYNCHES IS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.
-It can help incriminate scum reads by proving them wrong.

THANK YOU.

For stating the o.b.v.i.o.u.s

My point is several of the issues you have with me could equally be said of a multitude of individuals this game. It would be absurd to call us all scum. And you are doing a poor job of deciphering. I'm sure there is atleast 1 scum in the several lurkers. But you might mislynch 3 times, and lose the game first. Starting with me/followed by psyche. Two townies.

Nice job trying to scare me by saying that you and Psyche are town. It's not working.

Blind blind blind. GOGO TUNNELVISION!!!!! HUZZAH

This is where I go I'm > U... and endgame proves this.

SC

, do you agree that there is a common practice amongst scum to lurker hunt?

No.

Maybe I was too ambiguous. Do you think the site, recognizes lurker hunting as a scum tactic?

[Benmage]

Hezz:

And if you are town I will sheep your maxwell read -

actually, I will do this anyway

, given that I am voting you for what looks like a powerbus you pointing out another maf buddy of yours would be a fine play.

So if max is scum regardless, why not help me lynch him?

[Benmage]

Oh, ya. I think he might've been a slight town read of mine actually. Or maybe was torn? Blanking...

Anywhose I'll iso him.

Whats the case so I know what to look for?

[Benmage]

Torn on OGML, want to see his next post(s)...Firestarter read town to me actually, this post specifically. post 266

[Benmage]

He's buddied me. Which could be wanting town cred for when I flip town. But Is it odd that both Firestarter and OGML name LLD town? I could see them wanting to make their GF look good.... Like I said, torn. Want to see what he does next.

His votes haven't been good. Could be scum tunneling on June.

[Benmage]

unvote vote OGML

[Benmage]

LLD keeps firestarter(OGML) in the null section. That seems like a strike against.

[Benmage]

In arush so I can't address the previous questions.

FakeGod and maxwell are likely scum either way. I'd have to take a closer look at Maxous and HezLucky's interactions with OhGodMyLife to be able to answer the question about them, but I have a weaker town read on HezLucky than on Maxous.

UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: OhGodMyLife

So you have Hezz as fairly scummy aye? Why?

[Benmage]

I CANT WAIT FOR ENDGAME FOR MANY LAUGHS.

I've shown this to be my town game, and refuted any shitty point of yours... but you are so dumb and blind. Whats the latest? I'd be hard to lynch as scum (well actually damn near impossible(zomg scum mocking you trying to lynch them? Unfortunately even my balls aint that big. Every scum plays nice(r))).

[Benmage]

DV is town.

[Benmage]

@DLG I have full intentions to answer them. I'll iso u for the link back to it. Just been a bit busy. (And I do think I thought them pointless the first go around)

@Maxous, did this minispree not suffice?:

Torn on OGML, want to see his next post(s)...Firestarter read town to me actually, this post specifically. post 266

He's buddied me. Which could be wanting town cred for when I flip town. But Is it odd that both Firestarter and OGML name LLD town? I could see them wanting to make their GF look good.... Like I said, torn. Want to see what he does next.

His votes haven't been good. Could be scum tunneling on June.

unvote vote OGML

LLD keeps firestarter(OGML) in the null section. That seems like a strike against.

PoE also seems against the fellah.

[Benmage]

I will say this much. I respect your play. As such, I expect a congratulations post game for seeing through you. Oh, and I'll own up to my massive misread should that be the case. Deal?

Lets raise the stakes.

You owe me one free sheepage no questions asked. You can name your price.

[Benmage]

I aint the devil.

[Benmage]

Max have you read the game?

[Benmage]

Mostly. Why?

Lets see your top 3 scum reads and your top 3 town reads.

A little 'why' wouldn't hurt either.

[Benmage]

@DV: how does that makes sense?

It makes sense to me anyway

And more of as no one wants to talk about OGML with me

How doesn't it make sense?

red's not as bad as say a 'chesskid'. But if I have a strong town read on a player like chesskid (which might be how DV feels about red)... I would love him to never post, as he brings nothing to the table.

[Benmage]

I never answered those lingering questions did I DLG , I forgot with the time lapse. I'll get on it.

[Benmage]

@SC

my vote in a nutshell"

1. Both Firestarter and OGML slot call LLD town. (Wanting to make their GF look good imo)
2. OGML's voting pattern shitty. (Tunnels on June)
3. Buddy's me calling me town when most either complained about my activity or actively sought my lynch. (Wanting town cred post my flip)
4. LLD keeps OGML in the null sections, a classic scum move for a buddy.

And if you want to lynch a slot that hasn't done much altogether. There ya go.

[Benmage]

That is interesting..... with the lie it is almost certainly a nontown role.

It does raise the possibility of a 2 team scum .... but I would've expected crosskills by now.... if there is 2 teams I'd wager SC is scum, thinking I was opposing scum.

Butttt I think he's an sk. That said I wanna play sk pet and direct the shot.

Bbl. When on a computer.

[Benmage]

@FAKEGOD

out of the act of self preservation.

VOTE OGML, otherwise I will be very very,---- fuckit. I'll vote you if you don't vote OGML in your next post.

[Benmage]

Thats because your questions are equal to wondering if 2+2 still equals 4. (Hint, yes it does)

[Benmage]

So who should I target then?

How about Fakegod or OGML...whichever doesn't eat rope. SO we can analyze both competing wagons.

[Benmage]

^If we can get a consensus to that... I'll switch my vote.

[Benmage]

^Way to derail the OGML wagon, with a pointless vote on Hezz... congratulations, you've done nothing.

[Benmage]

Any preferences on who I investigate?

Me, pysche, max. Tho I imagine you being blocked or dying. Lets hope you have 1 nights worth of investigation left.

MEANING

REDFF

you protect RachMarie.

[Benmage]

You're next unless I actually see you scumhunt. Adopting a holier-than-thou attitude is not scumhunting.

Im next *trembling* Your 1 vote is totally going to lynch Hezz.. then Im next, oh goD no!

ROFL, what equates to scumhunting for u champ? Threats, and following them... wow..

I made an ogml case.

Your threat is EMPTY because NOONE ELSE IS GOING TO VOTE HEZZ.. So again your vote is useless. Your threat is non existent. All you did was prove you can be useless. Congratulations.

[Benmage]

SC

you've been so all over the place.

List me your top 3 scum reads, scummiest first.

[Benmage]

Someone kill maxwell at some point please.

Actually, as one of his biggest opponents for sometime, I'd say there are bigger fish to fry first. Namely OGML.

[Benmage]

Any preferences on who I investigate?

Me, pysche, max. Tho I imagine you being blocked or dying. Lets hope you have 1 nights worth of investigation left.

MEANING

REDFF

you protect RachMarie.

Oh add Maxous too the list as well.

[Benmage]

unvote vote Fakegod

[Benmage]

I think we can start pooling the votes, Fakegod didnt post for 2 days, to come back and do that..

Lets end this day, tomorrow should be telling anyways.

[Benmage]

My vote puts Fakegod at L-2.

SC, if you're done... since you said you have little preference between OGML and FG, mind putting him at L-1, so we can get a claim, lynch, and end today.

[Benmage]

FG has 24 hours as far as I'm concerned to claim before hammers are good to go.

MOD

can you player request prod Fakegod?

[Benmage]

absolutely redunkulous.

unvote

I need to think

[Benmage]

DV aka Quilford

Atrocious choice.

On a scale of awesome, I'm awesome.

So

SC

is anyone more blatantly town than I, now?

[Benmage]

ok! I need to get into this gargantuan thing somehow.

I'll iso people and go from there. Please feel free to correct me if I make a mistake.

WHere was your heavy catchup post you kept saying was right around the corner?

Surely you must have some work done?

Let's see the notes... I grow weary of saving you.

[Benmage]

So

SC

is anyone more blatantly town than I, now?

Yes. Practically the whole game. Do you see the rest of us pumping our egos?

Wait wait wait... YOU STILL fine me scummy??

Let me see your top 2 scum.

[Benmage]

It's kinda annoying how ben does'nt answer direct questions.

FakeGod voting Benmage. FakeGod was part of the early Day 4 quick push on Benmage. Given that FakeGod avoided voting who he knew was his scum buddy PR, and his all Day stance on Benmage, I really don't believe he was bussing Benmage. This means that Benmage is probably only scum if this is a 2 scum team set-up as opposed to 1 scum team and Serial Killer.

Any particular reason you don't think he is a SK?
Did I miss it earlier?

What did I not answer directly?

[Benmage]

I'll remove benmage and Code X from the list. Don't wanna lynch either of them today.

Why CodeX?

[Benmage]

this:

@Anybody: Do you think it is possible a Serial Killer in this game could be investigative immune along with a godfather that was?
Particulary @ Hez, benmage, and SC who I think(?) have been in numerous games.

Since you're one of the more experienced heads.
Like, how likely do you think it would be or is it unlikely enough not to worry about?

P-Edit: Code X's D4 play read as town to me. I would rather not lynch him.

Not exactly.. dodging direct questions...

Anywhose, sure its possible.