NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

redFF · Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:03 pm

/confirm, you might wanna pm all players a link to this thread btdubz

redFF · Post Post #28 (isolation #1) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:30 am

redFF · Post Post #46 (isolation #2) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:10 pm

What we call the shottys won't matter as we are policy quicklynching shotty day 1.

redFF · Post Post #92 (isolation #3) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:21 am

Honestly a shotty pl is beneficial for a number of reasons.

1. He's a VI.
2. He's annoying.
3. He could be scum.
4. We have a duty to the site as a whole to do it, if he keeps getting lynched day 1 of every game he might leave.

redFF · Post Post #104 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:31 am

hydra declare your heads please ASAP, and sign each post with the name of the head that wrote it.

redFF · Post Post #111 (isolation #5) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:53 am

Pine always thinks I'm scum

redFF · Post Post #115 (isolation #6) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:08 am

<3
I consider looking at different hydra heads separately as pretty essential to reading a hydra tbh, and meta is also helpful. So yeah hydra declare heads or I vote you after we kill shotty.

redFF · Post Post #140 (isolation #7) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:36 am

guys guys guys

We're lynching shotty day 1, this is a foregone conclusion.

Let's talk about day 2.

redFF · Post Post #151 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:44 am

In post 143, NihilisticNinja wrote:
In post 140, redFF wrote:guys guys guys

We're lynching shotty day 1, this is a foregone conclusion.

Let's talk about day 2.

Oh hey, nice to see you're here, redFF. Care to answer the question I've asked you to answer twice now and you keep dodging?

And why is it a foregone conclusion? I much prefer a rack lynch at the moment.

Benmage- explain red town. Not feeling it at all. Shotty-scum is another good question.

I'm not dodging anything, shotty is the day 1 lynch.

redFF · Post Post #153 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:51 am

Nero agreed with me in the signup thread that a shotty policy lynch would be a good idea, before he knew his alignment. We just genuinely don't like playing with him and he is detrimental to town as any alignment.

I think you're tunneling on him with no real evidence tbh.

redFF · Post Post #154 (isolation #10) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:52 am

Here's the compelling case, he's a vi and i don't like him.

redFF · Post Post #172 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:29 am

In post 158, NihilisticNinja wrote:
In post 153, redFF wrote:Nero agreed with me in the signup thread that a shotty policy lynch would be a good idea, before he knew his alignment. We just genuinely don't like playing with him and he is detrimental to town as any alignment.

I think you're tunneling on him with no real evidence tbh.

... Who said anything about Nero being scum, Red?

Erm you asked me for my read on him and I gave it to you...
Why would you be pushing him and asking everyone for reads on him if you didn't think he was scummy?

redFF · Post Post #177 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:32 pm

Ill post after fucking my GF

redFF · Post Post #188 (isolation #13) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:49 pm

If I was scum I would never nk shotty town lol.

redFF · Post Post #197 (isolation #14) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:12 am

On nero- I'm saying him pushing a policy lynch is null and I don't really see anything scummy about him.

On rack- they've posted twice. If they don't declare their heads they are a scumread. I think them calling LLD passive with no evidence is stupid. I'm thinking they are players with poor reputations who want everyone to think they're good by coming in and making bold, unbacked up statements about random people. I have a feeling they haven't declared their heads yet because they're people like kondi and GNR.(I could be wrong, this is just my impression from their posts). I'd like to see them declare their heads and post more.

@rack if you really don't wanna declare your heads then at least sign your posts. For instance if head A posts sign head A, and if head B posts sign head B.

redFF · Post Post #228 (isolation #15) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:56 pm

I don't know why, but your posts read as annoying. They cause this instinctive "ugh" reaction.

redFF · Post Post #229 (isolation #16) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:57 pm

In post 227, rack wrote:This post, and all posts up until now, are me, Head A.

Head B is supposed to be coming along soon to extract us from the shitstorm I've managed to cause.

And no, we aren't revealing our heads, so get over it.

hey dog instead of waiting on your other head to save your ass, how about you do some scumhunting or something.

redFF · Post Post #272 (isolation #17) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:59 pm

this rack wagon is great and in no way suspicious.

redFF · Post Post #356 (isolation #18) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:10 pm

vote:firestarter

rack is bad town. Rack, i strongly suggest you declare your heads at this stage if you want to live.

Drmy is p much confirmed town.

Don't really know about the kk votes, gonna have to read him more closely.

here's your counterwagon NN.

redFF · Post Post #358 (isolation #19) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:18 pm

nah I'll do what I want.

redFF · Post Post #386 (isolation #20) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:31 am

I just don't see what is setting of so many alarms in rack's posting.

LLD, I noticed you haven't said a thing about firestarted all game, what do you think of that wagon?

I do agree that the KK wagon isn't great.

redFF · Post Post #389 (isolation #21) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:58 am

Firestarted came into the thread very late and posts his catchup post, which is literally just a summary of the game.

Then lists a reasonless scum read on rack(of course, when everyone else is doing it, why not?)

I thought this part of his post was particularly silly

Nero Cain - Scum-read

The Shotty incident. PL'ing him. Not gonna happen.
You say you were not the one to bring up the idea that shotty should be PL'ed.
But you grabbed the baton and ran with it anyway.
When you were quizzed on it, you failed to deliver anything in the way of proof that shotty
was a VI. Yes, those who were questioning you could have looked for it themselves,
but the BoP lies with you.

redFF - Null-read

On my re-read, I found this slot to be one of the tougher reads for some reason.
As I've said before, the whole Policy Lynching thing is not my bag.
I disagree with it, but as stand alone point in ones ISO, not worthy of being called scum for.

So nero cain is a scumread for
- wanting to pl shotty
- saying he was not the one who brought it up (which is true)
- "grabbing the baton and running with it" (he never denied this)
- failing to prove how

shotty

is a bad player... (hint that's something he doesn't need to prove, even looking at only shotty's posts from this game)
So all that makes nero cain a scumread, K.

Now I'm a null read, even though nero seems to be a scumread purely from pushing a policy lynch, and firestarter says

As I've said before, the whole Policy Lynching thing is not my bag.
I disagree with it, but as stand alone point in ones ISO, not worthy of being called scum for.

???

As for his other reads, scum read on psyche, one of the bigger pushers of rack all game. You can't really have a scumread on both of them buddy.

And then town reads on LLD and NN, 2 of the more active players in the game, both seemingly widely regarded as town. He had to list some town reads so why not list the 2 easiest town reads in the game right now.

NihilisticNinja
- Town-read
Content, probing, analysing. All town traits thus far.

Lady Lambdadelta
- Town-read
Like NN, LLD has been providing content, probing and questioning away. All Town traits.

Blatant buddying here.
And then a town read on KK, guess who else has a town read on KK? LLD.

Kublai Khan
- Town-read
Most of what KK has written so far I agree with, except maybe the stance on scooby.

With this, I don't see how you can have a town read on KK and null reads on the majority of the playerlist. Reasons for the town read on kk that aren't "I'm buddying up to LLD" please.

redFF · Post Post #402 (isolation #22) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:50 am

hey look another useless lurker votes rack with a contentless post!

redFF · Post Post #406 (isolation #23) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:00 am

In post 403, Candy Corn Vampire wrote:is that directed at me red? would you like me to explain more in depth?

yeah sure, why is rack scum, you keep claiming you "wrote the book on rack scum" and started the wagon...

In post 97, Candy Corn Vampire wrote:
In post 89, rack wrote:NN: Why push others for answers when you could just as easily research yourself? Why are you trying to make others do your work for you?

LLD: You're being oddly passive. Why?

mastin: Why choose now to re-invent yourself?

Nero: Move on. Choose a different bone to pick.

Noodle strategy, esp boring noodle strategy. These questions don't really need answers and more amount to him trying to think of things to say rather that saying things he thinks needed to be said. Rack, are you an alt? and alt of who?

is that the post you think "wrote the book on rack scum"? If not, can you quote it for me.

redFF · Post Post #415 (isolation #24) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:21 am

hey lets lynch firestarter.

redFF · Post Post #420 (isolation #25) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:30 am

So you didn't write the book or really provide any reasoning until I pressured you to. Would you say that's more accurate?

redFF · Post Post #423 (isolation #26) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:58 am

You took credit for a wagon you did nothing for, noted and fos. Thanks for the repetitive, shitty reasoning we've seen a bunch of times already though.

redFF · Post Post #425 (isolation #27) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:12 am

Yes you did, and it matters because it's scummy and the whole point of this game is to find scum...

redFF · Post Post #427 (isolation #28) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:34 am

I'm fairly sure taking credit for something you didn't do is scummy.

redFF · Post Post #428 (isolation #29) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:36 am

I'd be fine with a Candy lynch right now btdubz after this.

In post 426, Candy Corn Vampire wrote:Even if I did,

dat backtrack

redFF · Post Post #430 (isolation #30) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:41 am

...

I advise everyone to read the exchange I and candy just had

vote: candy

redFF · Post Post #432 (isolation #31) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:50 am

vote candy with me mastin

redFF · Post Post #438 (isolation #32) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:11 am

I agree with mastins last post pine.

redFF · Post Post #443 (isolation #33) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:10 am

YO MAXOUS COMMENT ON CCV

redFF · Post Post #458 (isolation #34) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:43 am

hey lld ccv is scum yo.

redFF · Post Post #462 (isolation #35) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:52 am

so if rack got replaced you'd unvote?

redFF · Post Post #465 (isolation #36) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:06 am

I caught 2 scum and it's only day 1.

Add pine and maxous as scumreads, pine only slight.

redFF · Post Post #478 (isolation #37) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:04 pm

How was the psyche vote on rack a bus?

redFF · Post Post #480 (isolation #38) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:08 pm

bus at the beginning of the day when he has 2 votes?

redFF · Post Post #506 (isolation #39) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:07 am

vote:firestarter

antihero looks a lot better than ccv.

@Vijay when you said I annoyed your favorite player out of the game I assume you meant CCV, because she just replaced out of another game at the same time so she probably has something going down in real life.

Vijay voting Drmyshotgun. Vijay confirmed to be terrible, not sure if scum or town though.
Firestarter show me where nero was overdefensive of the shotty pl.

redFF · Post Post #547 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:00 am

redFF - see Shotty

oh hell naww

redFF · Post Post #586 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:55 pm

Mastin why am i not a townread.

redFF · Post Post #589 (isolation #42) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:09 pm

oh you were just talking about the rack wagon my bad.

redFF · Post Post #635 (isolation #43) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:30 pm

I can get with a shotty wagon.

redFF · Post Post #690 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:37 am

in 100 boxes junpei replaced in, never caught up and was town. It's def not a scumtell, it's null at worst. He's just lazy.

redFF · Post Post #696 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:47 am

^^ good post dv

redFF · Post Post #704 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:02 pm

In post 698, Junpei wrote:
In post 696, redFF wrote:^^ good post dv

This post does not add validity to DV's arguments, thus I must assume it is blatant buddying.

^^ bad post jp

redFF · Post Post #707 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:08 pm

aite man

redFF · Post Post #758 (isolation #48) » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:15 pm

I'm town as

fuck

. back off jp.

redFF · Post Post #779 (isolation #49) » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:37 am

In post 767, rack wrote:
In post 747, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
But Rack is still scummier, and has still done NOTHING to make me think he's town.

How cute. You think you can toss off little one-liners like this and the masses will follow you.

You're entirely too delusional.

(Head A, as usual.)

I'm pretty close to voting rack now lol, there's only so much a man can take.

redFF · Post Post #795 (isolation #50) » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:21 pm

Ahhhh reading

redFF · Post Post #842 (isolation #51) » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:07 pm

No one hammer till we get a claim and mastin makes his huge post.

redFF · Post Post #874 (isolation #52) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:53 am

In post 872, Antihero wrote:Updated Reads

Town: vijay, HezLucky, Benmage, Lady, Nero, The Mini-Librarian, GreyICE, khan, red, Maxous, DeasVail, mastin, Macros, NihilisticNinja, [shotty 2]
Scum: rack, Fake God, Junpei, firestarter, drmyshottyizsik
Null (scummy): scooby, psyche, pine

these posts are annoying and make me think you're scum.

redFF · Post Post #899 (isolation #53) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:23 pm

antihero is prob scum.

redFF · Post Post #910 (isolation #54) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:57 pm

will be voting antihero tomorrow

redFF · Post Post #924 (isolation #55) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:26 pm

In post 915, Antihero wrote:
In post 910, redFF wrote:will be voting antihero tomorrow

Reminder: this is the guy who called me annoying. For posting reads.

erm, posting reads and posting the same fucking list with no explanation six times are not the same. Nice misrep scum, you die tomorrow.

redFF · Post Post #944 (isolation #56) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:45 pm

When rack flips town I'd like all you idiots to listen to me, listening to Mastin is also fine.

Thanks.

inb4 Antihero- Don't worry I don't expect scum to listen to me anyway.

redFF · Post Post #949 (isolation #57) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:01 pm

In post 946, Antihero wrote:lol, red is calling other people idiots

that's funny

have we ever played together?

I don't get the hate. In the end, we're here to play a game, call me scum all you want, but leave the personal insults in gd.

redFF · Post Post #950 (isolation #58) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:02 pm

just kidding

redFF · Post Post #956 (isolation #59) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:08 pm

In post 951, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 950, redFF wrote:just kidding
(something I shouldn't have said)

Mod: Please Force Replace This Slot

Why, I broke no rules.

redFF · Post Post #962 (isolation #60) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:21 pm

yeah that was probably a bit much. Eh I thought it would have been kinda funny. Guess not. My bad.

replace out. don't wanna ruin your game PV.

In post 957, GreyICE wrote:
Replace out unless RedFF is force replaced

And fucking blacklisted.

GreyICE blacklisted me, whatever will I do.

I apologize for my use of that word, didn't know it would cause such offense. I think it's just a word, and we're on the internet, but I guess I'm wrong.

Sorry again.

Rack'll flip town and antihero will be tomorrow's lynch.

PEDIT: Are you serious GreyICE? I'm not a homophobe/bigot, and I really doubt Antihero took any offense to my post.

eh I should stop.

redFF · Post Post #964 (isolation #61) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:25 pm

Finding one replacement is easier than finding 2 ben.

redFF · Post Post #966 (isolation #62) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:29 pm

FUCK YEAH JUNPEI

changed my mind

@mod I'll stay. GreyICE/LLD if it's really you guys or me then be my guest and leave. If anyone else has a problem i'll happily replace out.

redFF · Post Post #974 (isolation #63) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:37 pm

"(Fanning the flames) is a site meme. Is anyone who has ever written that a bigot?

redFF · Post Post #976 (isolation #64) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:37 pm

In post 973, GreyICE wrote:Oh look, mafiascum even censors the word it's so fucking offensive.

It's like the moderators know the difference.

yes, ______ is censored. ______ isn't.

redFF · Post Post #979 (isolation #65) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:39 pm

In post 949, redFF wrote:
In post 946, Antihero wrote:lol, red is calling other people idiots

that's funny

have we ever played together?

I don't get the hate. In the end, we're here to play a game, call me scum all you want, but leave the personal insults in gd.

In post 950, redFF wrote:just kidding
(something I shouldn't have said)

This was a joke based on how I have insulted shotty and others all game, yet told antihero to cut the insults. The next post I insult him. I see no bigotry here.

redFF · Post Post #981 (isolation #66) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:39 pm

In post 977, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 974, redFF wrote:(Fanning the flames) is a site meme. Is anyone who has ever written that a bigot?

Do I even need to answer this question?

so yes?

redFF · Post Post #982 (isolation #67) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:40 pm

I agree GreyICE is GreyICE.

redFF · Post Post #985 (isolation #68) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:42 pm

When the fuck did I ever say that if someone is homosexual they are inferior to heterosexuals?

redFF · Post Post #989 (isolation #69) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:45 pm

I'm dying.

redFF · Post Post #994 (isolation #70) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:53 pm

You will be missed.

redFF · Post Post #998 (isolation #71) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:01 pm

In post 996, Antihero wrote:<_<

Alright, how about we compromise? redFF won't call me Antihero again and I'll go back to laughing at him because he thinks I'm scum. Forget all this force replacement stuff and we'll all get 72 hours to cool down.

How does that sound?

You clearly don't know GreyICE.

redFF · Post Post #1015 (isolation #72) » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:06 am

One fucking word? Seriously, that's it? One word? You can call people fucking morons, assholes, retards, bitches, jerks, douchebags, dicks, whatever, and everyone flips out over the word faggot? Okay... there must be something I just don't get going on. Fuck it, I've wasted enough of my time and the town's time on this.

Ok haha lets play the game.

redFF · Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:21 am

im guessing ah was a vig?

redFF · Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:46 am

I dont believe I ever attempted to push lld...

redFF · Post Post #1065 (isolation #75) » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:16 pm

vote:firestarter

I'm not seeing neroscum and this was an excellent wagon yesterday and an excellent one today.

redFF · Post Post #1093 (isolation #76) » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:15 am

hey code_x you fucking idiot nobody is going to read your post and manually find and open up post xxx, please link to the post or quote if you're talking about it. I was a pretty universal townread day 1 too so please get a case together instead of just "omg redFF is really scummy everyone thinks so".

redFF · Post Post #1351 (isolation #77) » Tue May 01, 2012 3:56 pm

I'm not going to declare V/LA or anything because I'm around on site but Im going to be pretty busy for the next ~week or so so be prepared for not much content. Will still be here and reading i hope.

redFF · Wed May 02, 2012 12:37 am

I'm not going to respond to your shitty PBPA. PBPAs are by definition terrible because you force yourself to find something scummy in every post.

Yes I didn't respond too an NN question in pregame about my read on 2 players with about 10 posts combined between them, I was more focused on other things. If you think that's me dodging giving reads when I answered the question like a page later then you're stupid and I have no problem with you thinking that.

Yes I was very against the rack wagon for it's entirety, rack wasn't scummy, and when NS claimed he was rack it all made sense. I don't know what your angle is on me being off the shitty day 1 wagon on town so I don't really know how to respond to it. How does me not thinking rack was scum make me scum? Is everyone off the rack wagon scum? The post about the rack wagon being great was sarcasm lol.

I don't see where I was "pushing and prodding" the rack lynch apart from that one post I made after a very bad rack post. He was town and I was right, if that's your case then go ahead and vote me and see how many people join you.

You're not scum though I don't think, probably just bad.

redFF · Wed May 02, 2012 12:38 am

In post 1353, Code_X wrote:Peregrine V - How are them replacements and prods going we seem stuck here, going nowhere fast.

Red - You ignoring Post 1178 on purpose?

also can you read

In post 1351, redFF wrote:I'm not going to declare V/LA or anything because I'm around on site but Im going to be pretty busy for the next ~week or so so be prepared for not much content. Will still be here and reading i hope.

redFF · Post Post #1359 (isolation #80) » Wed May 02, 2012 1:09 am

Yes I already had a town read on him, when ns revealed that town read got stronger.

redFF · Post Post #1361 (isolation #81) » Wed May 02, 2012 1:41 am

sup KK are you going to vote me or are you just pushing with bad reasoning on me in the hopes of having shit town like code_x jump on my wagon.

I did not say he was so town. I simply said he was a town read because nothing he was doing was scummy to me. Coming out and saying he was waiting for his other head to "bail him out" is not something scum would do.

Scumreads as of now
Firestarter, KK, shotty

notice how both firestarter and shotty have completely disappeared?

redFF · Post Post #1363 (isolation #82) » Wed May 02, 2012 2:37 am

What, if I'm pretty consistently saying someone is town, how am I not giving a shit if he's lynched? And if i'm actively pushing lynches other than him, how do i not really give a shit if he's lynched? In the end, it was day 1, a townie lynch is not that big a deal, I did all that can be expected of me to prevent it; state why I'm opposed and push beter wagons.

Yes by all means go through my posts 1 by 1, but don't market it as a good analysis.

I literally just said what set off my scumdar about kk in my last post. I don't have time to post a full analysis and who knows if I will.

Code_X, currently you have nothing on me. Either get a real case that isn't "he defended a townie and pushed other lynches" or gtfo.

redFF · Post Post #1365 (isolation #83) » Wed May 02, 2012 2:59 am

yes the shitty obviously scumdriven wagon was why I had a town read. Notice how there was a kill off the wagon? Scum doesn't want to shoot into the wagon because if they do they're narrowing down the amount of shitty town diluting the scum concentrated on that wagon.

You called me out on no shit KK, because I'm not spouting shit.

redFF · Post Post #1366 (isolation #84) » Wed May 02, 2012 3:00 am

At this stage town is wrapped around scum's fingers or terrible and up their own ass. We're heading to a loss.

redFF · Post Post #1396 (isolation #85) » Wed May 02, 2012 3:31 pm

wb shotty, good to have you here.

redFF · Post Post #1403 (isolation #86) » Thu May 03, 2012 2:39 am

In post 1368, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1365, redFF wrote:yes the shitty obviously scumdriven wagon was why I had a town read. Notice how there was a kill off the wagon? Scum doesn't want to shoot into the wagon because if they do they're narrowing down the amount of shitty town diluting the scum concentrated on that wagon.

You called me out on no shit KK, because I'm not spouting shit.

Wait, what? There were two kills last night. One of them hit the wagon and one of them didn't. How are you figuring that Antihero (who was on the wagon) wasn't a scum kill?

In post 1366, redFF wrote:At this stage town is wrapped around scum's fingers or terrible and up their own ass. We're heading to a loss.

Right, it'd be better if we mumbled a vote on Firestarter and otherwise didn't make any waves?

I want your reads on everyone, redFF.

I think antihero was a vig kill, he was my no1 scumread and I see no evidence that it was a scumkill. I could see it being an SK kill. Yes it would be better if you read my day 1 case on firestarter and helped me lynch scum.

Reads on everyone in the entire game? That's a large question and I'm not writing a wall because i'm short on time right now but I'll give it a shot. I want all your's after though.

1. Psyche - scummy
2. Kublai Khan - scum(senses a possible ez lynch wagon on me)
3. scooby - null, needs to post more
4. FakeGod jasonT1981 - null
5. Firestarter - scum
6. The Mini-Librarian - null
7. rack - dead
8. DeasVail - null/town
9. Macros - scummy
10. Code_X NihilisticNinja - NN was pretty town, code x is prob just bad town
11. Benmage - null/town
12. Pine - scummy
13. drmyshottyizsik - scum
14. HezLucky - need to meta, tunneling on town players but could just be very wrong
15. drmyshotgun - VI, prob town
16. Nero Cain - I don't see the huge case on him, I guess some of what he did could be interpreted as null/scummy but i think he's prob town.
17. redFF - town obv
18. Antihero Candy Corn Vampire - dead
19. mastin2 - town
20. Lady Lambdadelta - town
21. Junpei - null/scummy
22. Maxous - null/scum
23. vijay2vasandani - dead
24. StrangerCoug GreyICE Praetyre - greyice was prob town for his replace out and the circumstances.

I wasn't dodging either.

redFF · Post Post #1404 (isolation #87) » Thu May 03, 2012 2:39 am

In post 1399, drmyshotgun wrote:Let's put some pressure on that guy.
VOTE: redFF

i can't handle the derp

redFF · Post Post #1408 (isolation #88) » Thu May 03, 2012 5:56 am

In post 1405, Benmage wrote:Thats a buncha quick redff votes, can someone give me a quick bulleted case please.

- He defended a flipped townie.
- He called me stupid and he's mean!

redFF · Thu May 03, 2012 12:27 pm

I'm a dead end KK? Do you think I'm scum.

redFF · Thu May 03, 2012 12:33 pm

You don't think I'm scum kk? Why did you vote me?

redFF · Post Post #1442 (isolation #91) » Thu May 03, 2012 1:54 pm

KK what about my reads made me look town? I also asked you for all your reads on every player. Dodging the question? Isn't that what you voted me for?

redFF · Post Post #1449 (isolation #92) » Thu May 03, 2012 3:11 pm

I'm still confused as to whether you think I'm scum or not.

redFF · Post Post #1451 (isolation #93) » Thu May 03, 2012 3:28 pm

Alright because you voted me, then said I was a dead end, then said I wasn't scum, then said I was scum, sk or vig and now you're leaning scum.

You're flip-flopping around a lot over a short period of time.

redFF · Post Post #1462 (isolation #94) » Fri May 04, 2012 3:21 am

In post 1459, Code_X wrote:
In post 1027, redFF wrote:im guessing ah was a vig?

In post 1444, Kublai Khan wrote:
It's your conclusion that Antihero was a vig target that convinced me to not pursue you. It's such a mind-blowingly stupid conclusion that it could only have been formed by inside knowledge that I'm not privy to. Which means you are either a vig, a mafioso, or a SK.

So what is it?

Red - do you think Mastin's 6 scum is correct? A slip or not?

@ Everyone voting Pine. What is the actual case against him? FWIW's I don't find him scummy. More just fed-up.

Unvote
for now.

I think Mastin's musings on how many scum we have is pointless conjecture at this point.

redFF · Post Post #1464 (isolation #95) » Fri May 04, 2012 6:56 am

Code_x, I think you should take a look at who else is voting me, then strongly reconsider the positioning of your vote. That's the last I'll do to defend myself.

KK's flip flopping on me over such a short period of time is definitely scum motivated.

Could someone please make a mastin case that doesn't revolve around him posting walls (he always does) or whether him saying there are 6 scum is a slip or not. Or is that the case?

In post 1271, Firestarter wrote:Prod induced post.

Contribution in the next day or so.

It's been 4 days brah.

Firestarter has been lurking since I made a case on him and refuted his defense, i can't provide anything more because there is no other content, here is my case once again.

In post 389, redFF wrote:Firestarted came into the thread very late and posts his catchup post, which is literally just a summary of the game.

Then lists a reasonless scum read on rack(of course, when everyone else is doing it, why not?)

I thought this part of his post was particularly silly

Nero Cain - Scum-read

The Shotty incident. PL'ing him. Not gonna happen.
You say you were not the one to bring up the idea that shotty should be PL'ed.
But you grabbed the baton and ran with it anyway.
When you were quizzed on it, you failed to deliver anything in the way of proof that shotty
was a VI. Yes, those who were questioning you could have looked for it themselves,
but the BoP lies with you.

redFF - Null-read

On my re-read, I found this slot to be one of the tougher reads for some reason.
As I've said before, the whole Policy Lynching thing is not my bag.
I disagree with it, but as stand alone point in ones ISO, not worthy of being called scum for.

So nero cain is a scumread for
- wanting to pl shotty
- saying he was not the one who brought it up (which is true)
- "grabbing the baton and running with it" (he never denied this)
- failing to prove how
shotty
is a bad player... (hint that's something he doesn't need to prove, even looking at only shotty's posts from this game)
So all that makes nero cain a scumread, K.

Now I'm a null read, even though nero seems to be a scumread purely from pushing a policy lynch, and firestarter says
As I've said before, the whole Policy Lynching thing is not my bag.
I disagree with it, but as stand alone point in ones ISO, not worthy of being called scum for.

???

As for his other reads, scum read on psyche, one of the bigger pushers of rack all game. You can't really have a scumread on both of them buddy.

And then town reads on LLD and NN, 2 of the more active players in the game, both seemingly widely regarded as town. He had to list some town reads so why not list the 2 easiest town reads in the game right now.
NihilisticNinja
- Town-read
Content, probing, analysing. All town traits thus far.

Lady Lambdadelta
- Town-read
Like NN, LLD has been providing content, probing and questioning away. All Town traits.
Blatant buddying here.
And then a town read on KK, guess who else has a town read on KK? LLD.

Kublai Khan
- Town-read
Most of what KK has written so far I agree with, except maybe the stance on scooby.
With this, I don't see how you can have a town read on KK and null reads on the majority of the playerlist. Reasons for the town read on kk that aren't "I'm buddying up to LLD" please.

He did not really address the majority of this post at all.

Well he did say this

RedFF - First of all, the summary is for me. It may help others in the future, but what I always do, WHAT I ALWAYS DO, is post my thoughts in-game.

Regarding my rack vote, momentum was gathering and he just happened to be a scum read of mine.
(I assume you have by now, seen my subsequent post after I gave out my reads, that my lists were in no particular order?)

At the time I posted my reads, Psyche had about 3 posts? None with any real content except a rack vote.
rack had been gathering momentum so scum coming into the game and slapping a vote onto a player that was on the way to being
bandwagoned looked opportunistic. iirc correctly I was read up to #229.
At that time Psyche WAS NOT one of the bigger pushers of rack - this is lies.
Regarding Nero & you, red, on the PL issues... It's more a gut feeling I have.
You've been quite brazen about wanting a shotty PL, whereas Nero got very defensive about it.
So, Nero remains a scum-read, you a null-read.

He still doesn't actually justify the rack vote (happened to be a scumread is not justification). He say's psyche is bussing with the 3rd vote of day 1, and doesn't actually provide any reasoning for nero being a scumread except saying that our approaches towards a policy lynch were different with no evidence. Go read my first post on him again and see how much of it he actually addressed. The answer is very little. This is dodging, KK voted me for much less, what's the difference KK?

I implore the solidly town players here like LLD/mastin/SC/code_x/hez(?) to consolidate on a decent wagon like this one. I hope this post will gain some votes to stop firestarter proddodging and lurking, if not get a lynch. It probably won't though, with how this game has progressed so far. I'd be willing to vote a few people if this doesn't take off. Pine/kk/macros/shotty come to mind.

redFF · Fri May 04, 2012 10:06 am

haha kdowns you sure showed him

redFF · Post Post #1507 (isolation #97) » Sat May 05, 2012 4:36 am

redFF · Post Post #1555 (isolation #98) » Sun May 06, 2012 5:22 am

You know we could just all vote shotty...

redFF · Mon May 07, 2012 12:39 am

Oh yeah I have a townread on that slot solely from GreyICE replacing out.

redFF · Mon May 07, 2012 5:11 am

In post 1607, Code_X wrote:Is drmyshottyizsik usually this useless?

Is Code_X usually this useless?

redFF · Mon May 07, 2012 5:34 am

In post 1610, Code_X wrote:You going to back that statement up with facts.

You going to back up yours?

redFF · Mon May 07, 2012 11:11 am

Day ends thursday? We need to agree on a wagon.

I refuse to lynch Mastin and am hesitant on Junpei, will switch to him if need be.

Since the only other wagon with any support is Pine, and he is my largest scumread out of the three,

vote:Pine

redFF · Mon May 07, 2012 1:22 pm

In post 1645, StrangerCoug wrote:
In post 1642, The Mini-Librarian wrote:because I wasn't being serious guys. cut me
some
slack here.

No. You claim an innocent cop result on a player and then backtrack over it, saying you're not serious? What kind of shenanigans is this?

UNVOTE: mastin2
VOTE: The Mini-Librarian

This looks like opportunistic scum. Too bad you replaced greyICE and are obvtown.

In post 1647, Nero Cain wrote:oh oh oh. Mini wagon go go go.

unvote;vote:TML

this looks like opportunistic scum.

redFF · Thu May 10, 2012 12:04 pm

proddodge, pretty busy at the moment. Thought I already voted Pine, if not

vote:pine

will be around to post by saturday.

redFF · Sun May 13, 2012 5:56 am

Gogo lynch seacore.

redFF · Fri May 18, 2012 9:54 am

welp

I'm kind of lost in this game.

vote:junpei

I guess

redFF · Sun May 20, 2012 4:34 am

Eh, kdowns? I dunno if a VI policy lynch is appropriate on day 3 with 0 scum lynched.

Junpei lynch had a large counterwagon on town, probably our best bet at this stage.

redFF · Wed May 23, 2012 5:33 am

Sorry forgot about this will get to it when i have time.

redFF · Wed May 23, 2012 5:13 pm

v/la til saturday

redFF · Sun May 27, 2012 4:14 am

I got some catching up to do.

redFF · Sun May 27, 2012 4:17 am

But yes the difficulty in getting this fullman lynch points to him being scum. If you are town you have to be on that wagon.

redFF · Sun May 27, 2012 1:07 pm

In post 2320, Code_X wrote:RedFF - Continually useless. How everyone seems to ignore him. I dunno. Going to read some of his past games because I see he's managed to make it to the end as scum before

Multiple times, have fun searching!

redFF · Sun May 27, 2012 1:12 pm

Yeah that benmage post is terrible regardless of what happens, voting him tomorrow.

redFF · Mon May 28, 2012 9:33 am

sorry i fell behind and I'm kinda debating catching up. I think this day has outlived it's usefullness and we should just lynch fallman.

redFF · Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:34 am

LLD was my biggest townread :*(

redFF · Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:02 am

Ill catch up at some point. sorry about this.

redFF · Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:38 am

ogml replaced firestarter right?

vote: OGML

maybe we should mc at some point

redFF · Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:38 am

soonish

redFF · Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:41 am

mass claim

redFF · Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:15 am

can we just lynch ogml please refer to my case on firestarter for reference

redFF · Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:20 am

but it wasn't page 5?

redFF · Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:04 pm

yeah like code_x

redFF · Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:18 am

why isn't ogml dead yet.

hey rach just vote ogml

redFF · Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:46 pm

He's scummy, but not as scummy as ogml.

redFF · Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:50 pm

Also I'm a doctor and I protected LLD last night (she was a large townread of mine)

Since Andrew94 claimed to shoot her I was wondering if anyone would also claim to have shot her but nobody did. So that probably means that andrew lied about his claim somewhere because I think he must be a strongman or something.

I waited before claiming this to see if any other shooters stepped forward.

So rachmarie is either lying or at least hasnt told the whole truth.

redFF · Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:29 pm

yeah I meant vismaior not rach

why didn't you claim strogman earlier?

I don't think vis is town, but im willing to hold off until ogml is lynched.

redFF · Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:30 pm

I claimed it because Vis said he was only a vig, when I had a counterclaim to that.

redFF · Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:33 pm

Because you lied in your claim?

redFF · Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:35 pm

why omit the strongman?

redFF · Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:42 pm

i've seen strongman sk , never vig. There would need to be a reason for it, i.e scum having a protective role.

redFF · Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:41 pm

Well if we go by the 2 scumteam theory then one scumteam could have a 1 shot strongman kill, I've seen something similar to that before.

I just don't see a town strongman vig as likely unless there are scum protection roles in the game.

redFF · Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:45 pm

I don't like how he called me clear, either.

I mean if he's a town strongman he has to be thinking scum have protective roles, and I claimed protecting a scum member. I mean if I was him I wouldn't be calling me confirmed town, I'd be pushing for my lynch. Yet he calls me confirmed town. I dunno if it's to buddy or what, but that seems very scummy. He doesn't want to attack, only to pacify.

redFF · Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:34 am

LLD has been, pretty publicly, one of my biggest town reads all game.

redFF · Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:34 am

she got me pretty good, ay.

redFF · Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:54 am

In post 2725, Code_X wrote:Red - what did you do Nights 1 and 2?

Does it matter?

Mastin n1 lld n2

redFF · Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:52 am

@DLG i claimed because i caught vismaior in a lie and I don't wanna lynch him today I want to control his shot. Town has too much power atm and a strongman is way more likely to be scum than town but we can make him shoot who we want until he doesn't then lynch him.

redFF · Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:04 am

Lol strangercoug more like strangernoob.

What do you think one vote for hezz is going to do? Vote on one of the wagons please. The effort it's taking to lunch ogml solidifies him as scum for me.

redFF · Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:38 pm

vote:fakegod

not buying that, it also counters mine. I also think those breadcrumbs could be tailored for all sorts of roles and he just switched them around for weak doc.

Why didn't you claim when I claimed doctor?

redFF · Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:57 am

Results Rach?

Guess I was wrong about Vis being sk.

redFF · Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:25 am

who did you inspect

redFF · Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:29 am

In post 2843, StrangerCoug wrote:Yes, OGML flipped scum. That was what I thought at the time.

yet you never voted him

redFF · Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:30 am

vote:psyche

I have a townread on hez from pretty much the whole game.

I'd lynch Psyche, maxwell, code x, maxous, sc and benmage before hez. that should be the lynch order btdubz.

redFF · Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:17 pm

In post 2979, Benmage wrote:
gotta make sure doc protects the cop. yada yada

yes

redFF · Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:17 pm

i might die tonight, so if nobody hammers before i make a post later that would be ncie

redFF · Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:33 am

strangercoug has had crap reads but I don't think he's scum?

redFF · Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:57 pm

the LOTR thing likely means nothing and is a waste of time.

rach with sc's self hammer, both benmage and hezz are very town.

Add you, myself, and DLG to this and we have a strong group of town players.

Maxous, Code_X, psyche and maxwell should all die in that order

rach inspect psyche imo.

redFF · Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:54 am

Peregrine taking this long to lock the thread kinda defeats the point of a self hammer lol.

redFF · Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:42 am

which is why I think Code_X is a good candidate for SK and not someone rach should inspect, btw.

redFF · Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:04 am

I imagine I'm dying tonight.

redFF · Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:38 am

You guys...

like how the hell did that happen
look at the list of flipped prs and hezz's reaction after being caught and tell me that fbi agent claim wasn't obvscum

i mean code_x didn't help but ffs
the benmage kill too

really should have been a town win.

redFF · Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:44 am

You're all equally to blame

Like because you were p useless most of the game and these guys had an obv fakeclaim and still lynched you

redFF · Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:16 pm

redFF · Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:15 pm

In post 3314, GreyICE wrote:
In post 3305, Benmage wrote:Replacements ruin the integrity of the game.

He replaced out because HE WAS BORED!?!?!?!?

Yes. Blacklist that.

I replaced out because the posting was drivel and then it turned excessively toxic.

Basically it boils down to this: the game was hellishly tough to follow due to people being jerks, and then RedFF turned the jerk dial up to 11 and the rest of the thread pretty much said 'yep, we're cool with that' and I realized there were very few people in this game who were actually tolerable and decent human beings.

You guys don't pay me for playing, and when I realize that the thread basically consisted of your typical 13-year-old racist/homophobic/misogynistic insult-spewing XBox Live crowd, I cease to want to be here.

omg

do you stiill think that word actually means anything about burning people at the stake

redFF · Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:16 pm

GreyICE man

redFF · Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:29 am

In post 3316, GreyICE wrote:Yeah, but see, I have it on good authority Andrew shares an IP address with Praetyre, a member of the scumteam who replaced out after one post.

So.

then why hasn't he been permabanned for cheating?