NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[PeregrineV]

I'm alive!!

Vote: Elyse

You were scum or mason last time, I forget which.

[PeregrineV]

Do I vote the person I know is useless and will not help the game no mater his alignment or do I joke vote....???


VOTE: Peregrine

Yea I'll slap the person know for doing little first. After last large game a good wake up call might help.

We talking large theme or large normal?

I won in Event Card, if that helps.

[PeregrineV]

Actually I am genius and I think I know the setup. Just wonderin whether to tell it or not.

It's actually called out-guessing the mod and the results are usually not good.

But, let's hear what you got.

[PeregrineV]

Who's this "reinoe" guy people are voting? I looked in the playerlist and there's no such person. There's also no posts by this guy. I'm confused.

Anyways.

VOTE: Shaddowez

Told you this was coming.

Also /dejavutime

@Farside

Why is Peregrine useless?

Links for later but all you need to know is Harry potter mafia and Kotor (large them Star Wars mafia) one he was scum and one he was town.
Both he lurked and did nothing much.

I thought I did something in Star Wars. Pretty sure I died for the greater town glory (but that we still lost).

[PeregrineV]

Do I vote the person I know is useless and will not help the game no mater his alignment or do I joke vote....???

I don't know how he's useless, PerV was pretty good in revolution.

Yeah! Thanks!

Although I have made completely thorough reads and reached the wrong conclusion before, so there is that.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine just talked about himself thus far.

Yeah, he sure is a lovable bastard!

[PeregrineV]

I'm trying to get at least some more conversation going. There doesn't seem to be much going on besides Elyse VS Royal and everyone VS Reinoe.

Who won the elyse v royal thing?

And the EVERYONE v Reinoe thing?

[PeregrineV]

I'll go first!

vote Psyche

The case: none of my posts are more than three lines what is up with that

That's pretty good.

Total scum.

Vote: Psyche

[PeregrineV]

I'll go first!

vote Psyche

The case: none of my posts are more than three lines what is up with that

That's pretty good.

Total scum.

Vote: Psyche

which thing is good and which thing is scum

Good vote since you we're voting scum. Psyche is total scum.

[PeregrineV]

I'm trying to get at least some more conversation going. There doesn't seem to be much going on besides Elyse VS Royal and everyone VS Reinoe.

Who won the elyse v royal thing?

And the EVERYONE v Reinoe thing?

I won that one when it got revealed that all three people advocating policy lynches joined this game after I did who. They're also posting more fluff and doing less scumhunting. That kind of cognitive dissonance coming from three separate players doesn't come often.

P:-edit...See the post 347 as an example.

But what does Alina think?

[PeregrineV]

Let me run you down the two scenarios;

1) Town Tree
Gambits IC.
Garners no reactions, until a reasonless vote.
OMGUSes.
Gambit revealed as fake.
Decides to gambit again, despite first yielding admittedly no useful responses.

Motivation for second gambit: ???

To yield useful results.

[PeregrineV]

It's just so incredibly tenuous to call him scum for that because I don't really think either of your motives work in context.

I'm not calling him scum for it. I'm arguing against your townread over it.

I'm calling him scum because his initial gambit didn't look town and his reaction to being voted was scummy as fuck.

Did you truly believe 205. Did you say to yourself "Whelp, that's useful to have an IC."?

[PeregrineV]

So what do you think about Elyse VS Royal?

Not relevant unless one flips scum, and even then probably not relevant.

[PeregrineV]

Not once. Thats why I originally voted him. Have you been reading my posts?

I have. And I picture myself as you, reading Tree. What does you-Majiffy as town think of Tree's claim?

I think you=town thinks. "Bullshit. What a moron."

I think you=scum thinks. "Idiot. He is today's mislynch."

In no imagining do I think you-town go "Oh boy! He is either the town IC or he is scum trying to fool me!" followed by "He lied to me, he must be scum!"

See my dilemma?

[PeregrineV]

That catchup was fun.

Vote: tn5421

[PeregrineV]

Not once. Thats why I originally voted him. Have you been reading my posts?

I have. And I picture myself as you, reading Tree. What does you-Majiffy as town think of Tree's claim?

I think you=town thinks. "Bullshit. What a moron."

I think you=scum thinks. "Idiot. He is today's mislynch."

In no imagining do I think you-town go "Oh boy! He is either the town IC or he is scum trying to fool me!" followed by "He lied to me, he must be scum!"

See my dilemma?

Your dilemma has much to be wanted.

Ill be honest; my original vote was never intended to be permanent. I was going to keep it until he was confirmed. But the lack of conf plus his weak as fuck omgus led me to believe I was on the right track.

You should be able to see that.

I didn't think your vote was permanent initially. But you seem more and more attached to it as the day grows.

And I don't think he's scum, but I'll continue to monitor the whole thing.

Meanwhile, you should vote tn5421.

[PeregrineV]

Why are you voting TN?

Horribly fake catchup post 240. Nothing since then to redeem it.

[PeregrineV]

Def not a great post but other tn podts merit z scumread more than that.

Treevote plox.

His other 4 posts following that were Tree is scum because he gambitted twice. Which, given 240, make them null, and almost confirms Tree as town.

[PeregrineV]

OkaPoka's push on gameplay is horrible. I completely agree with Alina and Aeronaut in regards to that.

However

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

Quite frankly tree dug his own grave by trying to gambit twice, ESPECIALLY and SPECIFICALLY his IC claim.

I disagree with you on your current majiffy read, weren't you following the flowchart and sheeping majiffy 10 pages ago anyway?
I've got him as relatively neutral, slightly leaning town.

What was his second gambit? The IC one seems like a joke to me.

I don't like how Oka has to be asked to give explanations for his reads. Saying "Psych is weird" is not an explanation. It's like you have opinions, but you're afraid to share them until you absolutely have to. Making it look like you have scumreads, without giving weight to them so that nobody can suspect you. Not to mention, you're saying we should kill people who claim PRs.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is an SK.

VOTE: OkaPoka

The bolded makes me think Aeronaut is scum who genuinely thinks Oka is scum also, but knows he's not group scum because Aero is.

I see it more like bet hedging. They are calling them scummy, but can't name partners yet so call them an SK.

[PeregrineV]

OkaPoka's push on gameplay is horrible. I completely agree with Alina and Aeronaut in regards to that.

However

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

Quite frankly tree dug his own grave by trying to gambit twice, ESPECIALLY and SPECIFICALLY his IC claim.

I disagree with you on your current majiffy read, weren't you following the flowchart and sheeping majiffy 10 pages ago anyway?
I've got him as relatively neutral, slightly leaning town.

What was his second gambit? The IC one seems like a joke to me.

I don't like how Oka has to be asked to give explanations for his reads. Saying "Psych is weird" is not an explanation. It's like you have opinions, but you're afraid to share them until you absolutely have to. Making it look like you have scumreads, without giving weight to them so that nobody can suspect you. Not to mention, you're saying we should kill people who claim PRs.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is an SK.

VOTE: OkaPoka

The bolded makes me think Aeronaut is scum who genuinely thinks Oka is scum also, but knows he's not group scum because Aero is.

Serial Killers generally tend to be careful not to get lynched, and careful trying to not get NKed by scum. Oka is giving us his "scumreads" without really giving reasoning. This way, it looks to the town like he's trying, but the scum won't target him because his claims have no weight.

SKs are also often bullet-proof, so don't really care about becoming the NK.
Town and scum often give no reasons for their scumreads, the hard part is sorting the town that does it from the scum that do it.

[PeregrineV]

Def not a great post but other tn podts merit z scumread more than that.

Treevote plox.

His other 4 posts following that were Tree is scum because he gambitted twice. Which, given 240, make them null, and almost confirms Tree as town.

Your reasons are wrong. Already proved so.

My reasons for thinking Tree is town if tn5421 is scum?

No, he has the same weak reason you do, but he tried to support it by quoting the posts where tree gambitted, then repeating it.

[PeregrineV]

Majiffy I need some selling on Oka

the saleman who came to my door was kinda bad

Majiffy is selling Tree. Why are you trying to buy Oka?

[PeregrineV]

Our game is not Mountainous.

You may post this PM in-game.

That was from a talk I had with Wake yesterday. Sorry for the delay had to copy it

Your totally anticlimatic post has invalidated the scumhunting of at least 3 players. You should be ashamed.

[PeregrineV]

Click my iso

The answer to your question is easily answered a few posts up

His iso.

It looks like yours but with more words and capitalization and punctuation. Calling it peanuts doesn't help explain to me why you think he's scum.

[PeregrineV]

Def not a great post but other tn podts merit z scumread more than that.

Treevote plox.

His other 4 posts following that were Tree is scum because he gambitted twice. Which, given 240, make them null, and almost confirms Tree as town.

Your reasons are wrong. Already proved so.

My reasons for thinking Tree is town if tn5421 is scum?

No, he has the same weak reason you do, but he tried to support it by quoting the posts where tree gambitted, then repeating it.

Fooling around is fine.

Fakeclaiming and pretending to be a dayvig AND an innocent child in the same day is not ok.
This is a

matter of policy

to me, and I don't care if I have to become your top scumread as long as I get them (tree and reinoe, the heavy gambit users)

lynched first

.

So you don't think Tree is scum, but want him policy lynched?

[PeregrineV]

Booo. This is The Light.

Catching up now. The Light was an alt of mine. It served its purpose.

Ummm, what purpose was that?

[PeregrineV]

Other people have seen my reasons. So it's obviously not me.

can anyone in this friggin game tell me what majiffy's reasons for voting tree are
because clearly he can't

It seems that an IC fakeclaim was scummy, but an IC fakeclaim + a fake dayvig is scum pretending to be town pretending to do reactions tests.
Or, there is no town motivation for a second "gambit".

Or Something. It's evolved.

[PeregrineV]

And I'm seeing it this game.

You want to lynch me for being a "gambit whore". Ok, except...here are the people who have performed gambits or made fakeclaims...


2x tree
Majiffy
Titus vis TheLight (not posting to see what happens)

Yet you're pushing my lynch (or at least you were) and you insist that I'm going to perform a gambit any minute now. There's no consistency to your suspicion of me and you're not outlining what, if anything I've done this game.

Don't use the Billy Goats Gruff defense....

[PeregrineV]

Hey who want's to see a half-done reads list that is no longer sensicle?

I do. There are some scumreads on you that confuse me, so maybe a readslist will help me understand they are right or full of it.

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

But when you tend to

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

put one sentence per post

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

And then tell us to

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

ISO you for information it

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

seems like a totally soul-draining

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

scummy thing to do because most

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

people would rather cut out their

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

eyes then dredge through a bunch

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

of one line posts that

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

can more easily have the owner of said posts

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

link to the relevant one or

[PeregrineV]

You could click that handy-dandy iso button and find that out for yourself you know

worst case scenario, actually put it in a single post.

[PeregrineV]

Null. These are in no particular order. Half of these people are lurkers and the other half are people whose alignments I can't really figure out yet. Titus is an example of this. He obviously has not been present most of the game, and hasn't said much since he's got here. Null. Psyche was providing a hell of a lot of apathy in the beginning of this game, but he's slowly come out of the shadows lately and is using some real logic. Farside's push on NS and Majiffy's crappy wagon earned her some town points, but she hasn't much else this game. Alina has been extremely quiet. I usually agree with what she's saying this game, but something seems... offish. She's also lurking with is unusual for her, but when she is present I generally agree with what she's saying. Perv and TSO.... I sort of forgot they were in the game, to be honest. TSO hasn't said much since his wagon ended, and Perv just hasn't said much in general. Same with Shadowwes and RoyalApe.

Going to start with the nulls, since they are null.

I'd put Pysche in townish pile, along with Farside. There is stuff in their posts that I don't think scum would bother with.
TSO is never this quiet.
I like Shadowwes' posting as town, and their 371 catchup was so full of content that it made TN's 240 look that much worse.
Royal has no posts except some off-the-wall Elyse argument that has no purpose and no conclusion.

For those, I'd lean both Royal and TSO towards scum.

The last is Alina. I'm curious how you find her "quiet" when shes got 5x the posts of Aegor, and 80-85% of them is her scumhunting. What am I or you missing? (and she's a townread, in case there is any confusion)

[PeregrineV]

30 pages, huh? Summaries helpful, otherwise will slog through it.

[PeregrineV]

I want to add this for no reason to

GAMEplay.

In the games that I've seen gunsmith, there is usually a specific reason for having it. Like, there is a Godfather. Or There is a scum doctor(I've never actually seen this), or there are multiple factions. Being that there are multiple factions, a gunsmith isn't automatically town.

Primary reason is to give false positives when vig or cop is investigated without overpowering the scumteam with Godfather. Possibly outs town power as scum, requiring a judgement call by the gunsmith.

[PeregrineV]

Ok now so reinoe how should I investigate Aero in the nb ? Why don't you show me how to investigate him, by investigating him yourself here in the thread. I will take notes if needed.

I think the above post confirms that there's 0 scumhunting going on in the neighborhood.

Can Aero & gameplay confirm this?

[PeregrineV]

So you just called them his buds?

This game is moving so quickly and is so disorganized that I would probably be fine lynching most players.

But vote texcat.

You haven't given any reasons for voting texcat since Post #772. Most of your other posts regarding him are "Vote texcat", which is no better than most of Oka's posts of "Why isn't Tree dead yet?". You also said in that same post that Oka can die too, and yet you're trying to get people to vote texcat when there's already an Oka wagon rolling. Can you explain to me why?

Bullshit. Either TSO or PV figured it out and told you.

Why do you think Pere is scum? I just ISO'd him and it doesn't look like he's doing too much, and hasn't posted anything since saying he needed to catch up, but nothing came out as exceptionally scummy to me.

Gameplay's got it.

My crumbs were structured in a manner where PV or TSO would have the best chance to catch it. There are some universal crumbs as well but Aero did not see those.

Scum do not have Daytalk. They may scheme in their QT thread at Night.

[PeregrineV]

Wouldn't that require him living past toDay, and giving us a wrong result, which is in and of itself only confirmable by lynching?

well if he's not an investigative town pr,
we probably have another one and it can check him out

Why should we out an investigative PR to lynch obvious scum?

You do realize, don't you, that if Aeronaut flips Gunsmith, you become obvious scum pushing for his lynch because frankly, day1, there is no reason to lynch a claimed PR.

[PeregrineV]

I don't buy into the claimed PR do not lynch Day 1.

I subscribe to it for the most part, except under special circumstances.

If we are going to pick vanity wagons, then I prefer mine.

Vote: RoyalApe

[PeregrineV]

Let's check Aero ISO then, and put this to rest.

105-214-218-260 Scumhunting Eylse

242-253- Likes Tn, Tree posts are fluff
266- Reinoe null,

Spoiler: Reinoe posting

The problem with lynching Reinoe is that his trolling isn't really alligent indicative. If it really becomes a problem later, then maybe we should consider it, but right now I still have a null read on him.

He's going to disrupt this game.

Either he disrupts day 1, 2 and 3 before he's lynched.

Or he disrupts 2 more pages.

I've been doing more scumhunting than 75% of the players this game.

Fos: aeronaught, TSO

To say I'm fluffing up the game/being disruptive while ignoring psyche, TSO, tree, and majiffy is a remarkable display of blindness.

Hey notscience,Alina, OkaPoka; which of these people are scum-hunting...

TSO/reinoe/psyche

will anything come of it, though?
besides more "Look, ma! I'm scumhunting!"

We can always try...

VOTE: psyche

301- reinoe town

345-410-427 Scumhunting re: Psyche, tree, Alina

435- Questions TSO sudden attitude shift, then questions TSO (never answered)

440- Town response to quick wagons.
445- reinoe back to null
459- highly unlikely scum would be agitated and want to "talk more".
471-474-475-476- Why Elyse thinks trr is town is hashed out.
487- Scumhunintg Psyche
499- Majiffy read
510-521-524-525-529-588-594 scumhunting Oka
539 544- Oka scumread (reasons in 587)

678, 683, 686- response to texcat
Calls him scum (reasons given) - 688

691- scumhunting farside

725- Holy shit! A lynchpool that matches the previous 71 posts. New is NS-scum, but holy double shit, reasons in 848.

That's the first 75 posts.

You point out the scummy shit, and we'll argue. Otherwise, no way in hell is Aeronaut the lynch.

[PeregrineV]

But, besides RoyalApe, I'll add reinoe and TSO to leaning scum.

[PeregrineV]

Aeronaut. My lynchable scum is you. I am not answering your question bc people might insist on me compromising which I have no intent of doing.

Shitttt

Derp

Ooooooo hydra slip.

I should probably go post in that game.

So you're telling me you have no other scumreads except me? I mean, I'm not going to compromise but I still have three other public scumreads other than Oka.

When you get a chance, go over Reinoe and TSO and tell me what you think.

[PeregrineV]

@Aegor, what are your scumreads besides Texcat?

NS for active lurking/fluffing. Royal Ape for active lurking/lack of content/lack of definite reads. TSO for not being clearly town.

I have struggled reading all of the posts and I believe Titus when she says (over and over and over again) that she

knows

that Aero is going to flip scum. If I find out that she lied about knowing, my next vote will be easy.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Thank you for nailing your own coffin shut.

Didn't see this before. Aegor, Aero is town. Their posting is the exact opposite of your 3 scumreads.

[PeregrineV]

ill prob read stuff later tonight or tomorrow

skimmed noddy imploding and loled a little

You've replaced into a scum slot.

Discuss.

not much to discuss then, is there?

suppose all I can do is try to lurk away the suspicion and try not to make associations with my buddies or something, I guess?

You can just answer questions based on ISOs you read.

Is tree scum?

[PeregrineV]

Prodded but labor dray . Post later

[PeregrineV]

Aeronaut. My lynchable scum is you. I am not answering your question bc people might insist on me compromising which I have no intent of doing.

Shitttt

Derp

Ooooooo hydra slip.

I should probably go post in that game.

So you're telling me you have no other scumreads except me? I mean, I'm not going to compromise but I still have three other public scumreads other than Oka.

When you get a chance, go over Reinoe and TSO and tell me what you think.

Will do, I'm actually camping with the fam at the moment, but we have wifi and everything so I should be able to hit that up tonight.

Labor day and all....

Reinoe, TSO, notscience and Psyche reads please.

[PeregrineV]

you guys are like really bad

I know I am.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Notscience

Also thinking reinoe is scum at this point.

@Aero

- .......

pedit: Check out my supervote that read your mind!!!

[PeregrineV]

it's one false "scumslip" in

a sea of towntells

Aegor (7):

zMuffinMan, Elyse, Psyche,

Marquis,

Josh_B, texcat, OkaPoka

Fuck it!!!! Fuck all the wagons except this one...

VOTE: marquis

Explain...

He's scum. Reinoe, probably not Marquis

[PeregrineV]

Stop dicking around and lynch. We have 7 hours.

notscince has 100 more posts than you. Quickly, give me who he thinks is scum.

[PeregrineV]

PV, I'd appreciate if you did at least something important in this thread. move that vote.

Nah. I don't think texcat or Aegor are scum.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Notscience

Also thinking reinoe is scum at this point.

@Aero

- .......

pedit: Check out my supervote that read your mind!!!

Stop dicking around and lynch. We have 7 hours.

Stop dicking around and lynch. We have 7 hours.

notscince has 100 more posts than you. Quickly, give me who he thinks is scum.

PV, we don't have time for Q and A.

Titus is town again, paranoia gone.

PV- for this, especially the ns vote- moves far, far down in my reads.

There is very probably scum in {texcat, PeregrineV}, with {Shaddowez, Josh_B} being secondary unrelated and weaker scumreads of mine.

pedit: Ok. Thank you for your vote.

It's OK, I think notscience is town.

[PeregrineV]

By the way PV, if a no lynch happens today, you're dead tomorrow. I am only wagoning texcat over you right now because it's

there

.

Your welcome to try it.



But, you can be sure scum will hammer one of the wagons, because they have no reason to give up a mislynch.

[PeregrineV]

You can't be fucking serious

If I have to go through another day with everybody yelling about each of these lynch options without at least one removed from consideration I would rather just replace out

PV, work with me here. You could at least

pretend

to be on my side.

I think your probably town, so I am on your side.

But see my comment about the mislynch.

[PeregrineV]

Reinoe, can I be in your hood? Mine has lurking

PV

dumb town and

texcat

....

Well, damn.

Might as well out this completely since scum probably already knows: I'm in a Neighborhood with those three.

I actually think it was scummy becuase scum does not have daytalk, so they may not have known about us. But, they do now, eh?

And I do not think our Neighborhood is an all-town one. I narrowed it down earlier to {texcat, PV}. Titus went in and out of that, and ultimately is most likely town.

You're not really scumhunting the 3 of us, so not sure how you reached that conclusion. If you can't try to figure it out amoung 3 other players, why should I think you'l do any better with 20+?

I thought PV was town earlier because in the Neighborhood, he looked like he was putting work into the game. So by PoE I singled out texcat.

Except is was pretty dead in there. Texcat was the only one even trying (12, 32, 36), so really curious how you reached the conclusion he is scum. Especially via the QT.

But as time went on, it frustrated me how it seemed like PV barely ever did anything in-thread, like he was trying to hide behind the scenes this game. And it felt/feels like just a bunch of question asking with no followups or town thought process at all. Then this whole debacle and his stuff in the last few pages are making me almost, almost regret the texcat angle because I just want PV dead.

I guess my posts are more than 120 characters, making them too long to read? Perhaps you could be more vague, that I understand better.

So yeah. There it is. Why I was so eager for a texcat lynch earlier, and why it becomes slightly less tasteful as I want PV's death more and more.

Pretty sure I can read your ISO and find you eager to lynch texcat, but also pretty sure I won't find good reasons.
But, feel free to keep trying.

There is no chance of a PV lynch today, though. I wish I had more time and I wish I could shift over to him, because his refusal to lynch texcat just completely feels like he doesn't want to narrow our neighborhood down between me and him, since it's generally agreed Titus is in her town mode. But I can't because all of this is only happening so close to deadline.

Ummm, Titus is in town mode?
Tunneling on the gunsmith claim when it's common knowledge claims like that work themselves out is town-Titus?
Hmmmmm. <---this is my hmmmm of Doubtfulness

Don't get me wrong, I still want that texcat lynch to likely clean up our neighborhood. But I'm now acknowledging that he

could

flip town, and if he does, there will probably be nothing bar an innocent result to stop me from wanting PV gone.

He's town but he's got to die?
Notscience gets it.

Tonight if you want me gone just shoot me.

pedit so here's a tl;dr: I think PV doesn't want a texcat lynch because he's scum who wants to save the only buffer against his lynch in our neighborhood.

You've been really putting the pressure on in the neighborhood. Remember that time you asked for cake. I think we were all sweating then.

tl;dr- try again.

[PeregrineV]

Well that eliminates any doubt that Titus and Marquis are scum. They're both town.

Explain this to me?

72196 days, 18 hours, 28 minutes

[PeregrineV]

i just checked our qt and well lol

PV in QT: "We need to hunt for the scum in here and play this like a mini game of mafia"
me in QT: "Well in that case it's probably texcat. you know what, I'll go for his lynch so we can try and become a mason thread"
PV in QT: *immediate post after* "Hmmm wait, I wonder if Wake would have

2 neighborhoods and 2 scumteams? or 3 neighborhoods and 1 scumteam?

PV in thread when a member of the neighborhood is about to be lynched: "wait! no lynching texcat, I think he's town!"

*also apparently has marquis and titus as town*

me: ... ... ...

apart from the sudden 180 when lynching out of the neighborhood became an option, this:

line 3: this was posted on the 29th. pv seemed pretty damn certain there are 4 topics/hoods. when was the exact number of neighborhoods revealed in thread, if ever?

Let me fix that for you.

I think having 2 neighborhoods (4- ours, 5-the other one) made up of all town would be funny and cool, because paranoia and such.
I think the Normal Review Board would not allow that.

If there is one scumteam, there may be an all-town neighborhood, but I doubt it, because the Normal Review Board would probably not allow it.

Likely there would be one scum in each.

If there is 2 scumteams, there may be at least one scum in each, but I don't think 2 from each team in each hood. There may be an all-town hood, but I doubt it, because the Normal Review Board would probably not allow it.

Feel free to disagree, because I don't recall you doing so in the actual neighborhood.

And I also mentioned that day-1 only that scumhunting in the neighboorhood would be more effective, since we have daychat and scum does not. This also seemed to kill all discussion.
Weird, no?

[PeregrineV]

edit/addition to line 3:

PV in QT: *immediate post after* "Hmmm wait, I wonder if Wake would have

2 neighborhoods and 2 scumteams? or 3 neighborhoods and 1 scumteam?

also since scum don't have daytalk but we do here, we have the chance to hunt scum for 1-day!" *O_O*

pedit- I copied from first post.

Yeah, we were quiet about our neighborhood, so there may be more, but NRB.

And you managed to avoid scumhunting in both the hood and here.....

[PeregrineV]

Well that eliminates any doubt that Titus and Marquis are scum. They're both town.

Explain this to me?

I said earlier that the person who reveals the neighborhod is conftown. Titus revealed the neighborhood and Marquis did an analysis of his neighborhood's status.

Neither one had to do that. Where I'm standing, scum already know the neighborhood/s so revealing the nature of the neighborhoods gives town a crap ton of info that scum otherwise already have. Revealing the conversations that happen in the neighborhood is a very pro-town thing to do.

[PeregrineV]

FYI, the maximum characters in a post is 200,000.

[PeregrineV]

FYI, the maximum characters in a post is 200,000.

......is there any special reason that you know that?

Yes, I received the message when trying to respond to reinoe's scumpost above.

[PeregrineV]

FYI, the maximum characters in a post is 200,000.

......is there any special reason that you know that?

Yes, I received the message when trying to respond to reinoe's scumpost above.

Why don't you explain what's scum about it?

The knowledge of the 5 person hood with gameplay/Aero/etc. was put out there.

The 2nd neighborhood, which you would have known nothing about because it was never mentioned until 2757. So how you can call the person outting the previously unknwon neighborhhod town when you didn't even know it is.....incredible.

Unless you did know about it.

Also, Prior to that when the gameplay/Aero neighborhood was brought up, you were pretty adamant it had scum without even knowing who was in it. I would say you seemed almost mad.

And scum don't have daytalk, so there is no telling what they talked about pre-game, but if scum checked in late and didn't get to talk about their neighborhood membership, scum may not have known. But they do now.

[PeregrineV]

FYI, the maximum characters in a post is 200,000.

my new goal is to write a 200k character case on someone at some point in some game

Yeah, I think it was counting the chars in my link addresses too though.

[PeregrineV]

On page 126 right now.

Probably already discussed, but 1 mafia team and 1 SK is the setup.

[PeregrineV]

there's not really a good reason not to lynch pv

i want to purge him from my neighborhood

It's not like you actually post in there, so if you lynch yourself, you won't have to bother reading it anymore.

[PeregrineV]

I hate this site sometimes, eating my posts.

Oka

: Please explain your reasons for protecting Josh, a claimed PR, night 1, and then Marquis on N2? It seems awful convenient that there were two deaths both nights, but the PR you "protected" didn't die N1 and then they did on N2 when you "protected" somebody else.

[PeregrineV]

when were you confirmed as town?

when wake sent me a green rolename

also because I'm trying to tear this neighborhood apart to get scum between

texcat

/PV when as scum it only benefits me to keep my neighbors around as human PoE shields, i.e. what PV was doing

Actually, as stated in our neighborhood QT, I'm willing to lynch you at any given point in time, since you are scum. Then your team can kill me and everyone's happy.

Vote: Marquis

[PeregrineV]

Marquis

, not sure if you meant any of that towards me or not, but I've never been for your lynch.

Also, there's another neighborhood. Me, Aegor, Oka, and Mir.

Talk about 'hood acivity and results from it. You've had one town flip so far.

[PeregrineV]

if oka is the only protective role claimed with no counterclaim, oka is almost guaranteed to be town

If he's the only protective role, why is he still alive?

The dead Bodyguard was a protective role.

[PeregrineV]

The neighborhood has one hundred posts of shadow and.mir talking.

Marquis. Psyche. And reinoe?

You said titus wS gf bussing

Motherfuckers sound like they are scumhunting. You should want to lynch them.

[PeregrineV]

so why do people think i am scum?

Because you are totally scummy. But, if you fake a PR claim real quick, we won't lynch you today.

Claim doc was we can put down Oka.

[PeregrineV]

The dead Macho Bodyguard.
Macho.

Can't have a miller without a cop, eh?

[PeregrineV]

Since when is PV in this game

As the game moves on, there's more of interest.

[PeregrineV]

Why do I care about my credibility again

Credibility factors in getting votes.

I wasn't aware I

ever

had credibility to begin with

You keep making sense like you have and you can have an ounce or two.

[PeregrineV]

why

Marquis claimed mason with you. Reinoe believes it.

[PeregrineV]

Saturday prod dodge.

[PeregrineV]

Marquis is not scum majiffy.

What is this based on?

[PeregrineV]

What's your opinion of PV?

He's Fucking Awesome.

[PeregrineV]

Also you dumb pushers are going to screw town over. Scum can hide. Scum can whiteknight. Scum can wagon. Scum can sheep.

Oh wait lynching me gives scum an advantage.

And then tomorrow scum will push on reasoning called "whiteknighting"

And then we lose. :/

So we kill scum now and clean this mess up.

Pedit: ^^^^^^^
So I suggest we get on the move and start scumhunting for real scum. Instead of sheeping scum.

Not to poop in your horn you are trying to toot, but you let the claimed PR you "protected" night1 die night2. If you've fully explained the "why" behind that, then link please. Otherwise, your play is strongly reminiscent of scum.

[PeregrineV]

What exactly is the point of posting stuff like this? Like really. If you don't have anything remotely useful to say please stop posting. It makes catching up incredibly irritating, and the fact that you attack people for "lurking" just for having less posts than you because they don't post useless crap like this is irritating as heckie.

Not to nitpick, but you called his posts useless crap (a lot of them are) and then proceed to make 55% of your post responses to Oka's crap posts?

[PeregrineV]

The game's 15:3:3 Fifteen Townies, three Red Scum, three Blue Scum.

Amazingly, the mod has informed us in the neighborhood that this is

NOT

the game setup, and that all given set-up information is in the OP, and yet you have continued to push this.

Any particular reason why?

[PeregrineV]

Pere - Do you not believe the mason claim? I'm going to guess not since you have the largest wagon right now, and your vote is the sole vote on one of the possible masons. Could you please explain why?

Well, where to start....

Why claim it now, when there is not benefit to town?

Plus, Marquis is scum as all get-out.

Psyche has not confirmed it. The post you think about quoting Pysche where they did confirm it is about as dodgy as all get-out.

Let's see why.

Psyche scum- Marquis town-

Psyche could be wary of Marquis trying to trick him. If he says yes, does Marquis close the trap on him and get him lynched? But, Marquis hasn't been actually scumhunting, so what's Psyche afraid of? Don;t think this is the current siutaiton.

Psyche town- Marquis town

- Psyche could be wary of Marquis trying to trick him. But, it seems town Psyche would use this opportunity to determine if Marquis is scum trying to trick him, or town trying to trick scum. Pscyhe instead continues to demur to Marquis, while not interacting with him (or anyone else). Marquis in turn is either really sure on Psyche alignment (why, FGS?), or is trying to determine his alignment. Since I see no Marquis Psyche interaction, I have a hard time believing this scenario.

Psyche town- Marquis scum

- Marquis picked Pscyhe as a pliable human shield who would not counterclaim him because.....???? Psyche, unsure of Marquis alignment, would try to determine Marquis alignment through any sort of interaction, to either out the fakeclaim, or to find himself a strong townread (however incorrect it may be). However, Psyche is not doing that. And Marquis is making no pretense of interacting with Psyche.

Psyche scum- Marquis scum

- Marquis on a whim figured he'd fish the fakeclaim out there to see what sort of traction/reaction it would get. If it derailed the Psyche push (it did), then all the better. Psyche, not wanting to out 2 scummembers at once, does as much as possible to leave the confirmation open-ended and ambiguous. This gives some wriggle room for the other should one be lynched/stabbed. This requires Psyche soft-confirming it, and deferring it to Marquis, allowing plausible deniability (claiming one of the 2 scenarios above) should Marquis die. Marquis in turn is minimizing involving Psyche, and will claim reactiontest when Psyche flips scum. Based on both players current bahvoirs, I strongly suspect this one.

So, yeah, neighbor-masons?

From my Normal review thread a long time ago

I think it might not be the best idea to put the sk as neighbour. It has been meta (and no clue if that's still the case) to shoot your neighbours as mafia. Is okayish if it's town-mafia, but for the SK, who's job is hard enough anyway, it can just be way sucky. You might be directing scum onto him here.

[PeregrineV]

so first i thought you were attacking me for bringing that up and i was going to say, "fuck you, YOU were the one who brought that up in the hood and the only reason i noticed it in the first place"

because i don't understand why else wake would say that in the queue, when both the setup AND first post were supposed to be reviewed for consistency and completeness at that time

all i could think of was "wake changed his mind about making that info public" but with the kill flavor (which isn't normal i don't think but that's another matter) indicating mafia + sk i'm just confused now

I quoted the queue and was trying to figure out why we were missing so many kills. Got the message. But in here, you are still pushing the 2-team theory. I can't think of a town-reason for you to do so.

Queue was probably intended setup. NRG probably changed it.

I find you being confused by mafia setups highly surprising, since you've played and modded many games.

[PeregrineV]

nobody reads my posts

i guess nobody read psyche's posts either

You can link them.

Code: Select all

[post]post number[/post]

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV (6): Marquis, Psyche, reinoe, Mirhawk, OkaPoka, Gameplay506
OkaPoka (4): Shaddowez, notscience, Alina, tn5421
Shaddowez (1): Titus
Marquis (1): PeregrineV

Not Voting (3): zMuffinMan, RoyalApe, Majiffy

~ With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
~ Deadline expires 9/24/14, @10PM central.

Normally I'd take some time to address my wagon compositon, but since I mostly have, don;t need to do it again.

Marquis, Psyche-scum
reinoe, oka- probably town, but
Mirhawk- vote does seem opportunistic, would probably check his read history on me if I cared a superlot, but meh.
Gamplay- cleared by Titus

[PeregrineV]

Other thoughts- If Only one scum per hood, then Aero flip clears tn/royal (I think those 2 were in it with gamplay).

If Marquis scum in ours, then 2 scum outside. Muffin can be SK.

[PeregrineV]

@PV, Reinoe is also cleared by me PV. Mirhawk is the way to go if you are interested in saving your bacon.

Meh. My death will mean Marquis dies, so I'll have effectively caught scum, so it wouldn't bother me much.

If I check your ISO, will I find a Mirhawk case? Thinking back, he doesn't seem particularly scummy. Need to check if he's in a hood.

[PeregrineV]

With regards to the masons, they're either both town (as well as masons) or both scum. If it was any other combination one of them would have said something by now.

Thoughts on 3575?

[PeregrineV]

Neighborhoods (I think)

marquis/

titus

/

pv

/

texcat

tn5421/

aero

/

gameplay

/royalape
Mirhawk/

Aegor

/Oka/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy
alina

reinoe

[PeregrineV]

FIXED

Neighborhoods (I think)

marquis/

titus

/

pv

/

texcat

tn5421/

aero

/

gameplay

/royalape
Mirhawk/

Aegor

/Oka/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy
alina
Psyche

[PeregrineV]

21 players would mean 5 scum. Not sure if 5+1 SK or 4+1 SK.

Looking at 1 scum per hood, 1 min outside, SK probably outside hood.

[PeregrineV]

FIXED

Neighborhoods (I think)

marquis/

titus

/

pv

/

texcat

tn5421/

aero

/

gameplay

/royalape
Mirhawk/

Aegor

/Oka/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy
alina
Psyche

Out of the Mirhawk, Oka, Shadow hood, would like to hear thoughts from the hood. I think it was posted already, so will go read, but if Oka is actual doc, scum in [Mirhawk, Shadow].

[PeregrineV]

Out-of-hood scum is looking to by Psyche.

Still would put muffin as the SK.

Marquis scum in our hood.

[PeregrineV]

Aero-Mirhawk and Aero-Shadow interactions would probably be a good start for figuring that out.

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP

Out-of-hood scum is looking to be Psyche.

Still would put muffin as the SK.

Marquis scum in our hood.

[PeregrineV]

FIXED

Neighborhoods (I think)

marquis/

titus

/

pv

/

texcat

tn5421/

aero

/

gameplay

/royalape
Mirhawk/

Aegor

/Oka/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy
alina
Psyche

Based on this, and the night kills I would lean towards Alina being the serial killer, even though I have a town lean on her.

Serial Killer is obviously someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.

You think she killed TSO and texcat? Was she scumhunting or getting rid of people who suspected her?

[PeregrineV]

FIXED

Neighborhoods (I think)

marquis/

titus

/

pv

/

texcat

tn5421/

aero

/

gameplay

/royalape
Mirhawk/

Aegor

/Oka/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy
alina
Psyche

Based on this, and the night kills I would lean towards Alina being the serial killer, even though I have a town lean on her.

Serial Killer is obviously someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.

You think she killed TSO and texcat? Was she scumhunting or getting rid of people who suspected her?

TSO and texcat are just random kills that had no strategic value. Alina is the only player I could see making those kills. But we can lynch you today though.

Only if you listen to me. It has been discussed many times that dead town players get totally ignored.

Plus the fact that once you set your mind like this you'll spend the next 8 days doing nothing, so you'll understand if I push for better lynch targets while you repeat how much you want me lynched, right?

[PeregrineV]

And why would you see Alina making kills that have "no strategic value"? What does that even mean for an SK?

There has to be thought behind it, wrong or right. And if it's not personal grudge or somesuch, they are getting rid of town or scumhunting.

[PeregrineV]

you guys are going on some weird tangent or something.

Yeah, this is true.

Psyche vote for PV. He's scum.

Is Psyche a mason with Marquis?

[PeregrineV]

That's pretty ridiculous to say that I'm going to be doing nothing except pushing for your lynch

Guys, can we lynch PeregrineV now?

[PeregrineV]

Asking about 3608, you might have missed it.

And why would you see Alina making kills that have "no strategic value"? What does that even mean for an SK?

There has to be thought behind it, wrong or right. And if it's not personal grudge or somesuch, they are getting rid of town or scumhunting.

[PeregrineV]

Must have missed this one too.

you guys are going on some weird tangent or something.

Yeah, this is true.

Psyche vote for PV. He's scum.

Is Psyche a mason with Marquis?

[PeregrineV]

I can

He didn't green out my name

Earn the green.

[PeregrineV]

Deliberately avoiding cases so scum cannot see strength of scumread. I want to be nonthreatening as I can be.

Is this serious?

How could you be worried about being a bigger target then the cop?

No. Oka needs to die.

Oka is not scum. Period.

If there's scum in our neighborhood, it has to be shadow.

Which brings us to the likelyhood of there being scum in every neighborhood. I'm inclined to believe that there's probably at least one neighborhood with no scum, if for no other reason then to prevent us from hunting scum in exactly the manner that's being proposed.

I also still think there's still one unclaimed neighborhood. I can't remember what it was, but something Psyche said near the beginning of the game made me think he was in a neighborhood. Not to mention two masons would make much more sense in this game if they were linking a neighborhood, otherwise what would they be talking about that Marquis couldn't talk about in his hood.

So you think additional neighborhood? Then they need to claim. There is no reason not to at this point.

Scum-free neighborhood?
I can accept the speculation that such a thing exists. But since that punishes scum by not letting them see what 4 townies are talking about, then which one is it? Which neighborhood is scum-free?

[PeregrineV]

Havent read several pages. Not intending to do so.

You could probably skip the middle 20. Should only read the recent ones.

[PeregrineV]

What are WotM and PotM?

We are reaching critical mass of PR's. We don't need to lynch any of the PR's when there's a serial killer out there.

This I agree with (not to mention I'm less sure of Oka as scum than I was at the beginning of toDay).

UNVOTE:

i dont think anyone here can give me a good reason to vote pv after the last few pages

I'm actually liking PV a little bit less after the last few pages. The setup spec has me questioning whether he's actually town not knowing where scum are, or scum pretending to not know where scum are. Even before they were outed ITT, after D1 scum knows about all the neighborhoods that they're in. It'd be easy for them to say "there's probably scum in every neighborhood" in order to force lynches from every hood, especially if that isn't the case.

Your post here confuses me. Perhaps you could break down ALL your reads for me. Who is town, who is scum, why you think that. Then, we can cross reference and understand this post better.

[PeregrineV]

Some of Peregrines recent posts have been barmy. But barmy isn't necessarily scummy, and some of them have also been good.

My original read was mostly based on his refusal to participate on a lynch day one. But if he's willing to keep posting regularly, then I'm willing to not just lynch him out of hand.

I like the word choice, but since I disagree, which ones have been barmy?

[PeregrineV]

I wouldn't investigate the masons. They're probably town.

It's a shitty fakeclaim, especially considering there's a serial killer on the loose and one of them being hit would kill them both.

Don't waste it on Ook either.

You have changed their fakeclaim from Masons to Mason Lovers?

Considering they are none of the above, why would you even say something like this?

[PeregrineV]

That's fair, and while his posts set me a little on edge they weren't enough for me to place my vote yet.

Pretend like I'm here. I give you permission to talk to me about my posts. Which ones "set you on edge" and why?

[PeregrineV]

I'm leery of thinking there's scum in every neighborhood, we have no evidence that's the case. I'm not against a PeregrineV lynch, but I don't think it should be done for that reason.

I think I said this somewhere to someone else. And that's fine too. In that case, who are your 4 top choices for scum, and why?

[PeregrineV]

A major plus is that he's independently scummy.

Titus, please double check your PM results.

[PeregrineV]

Does pere always lurk for the first half of the game and start posting at the end?

In order to not confuse you, yes.

[PeregrineV]

That's pretty ridiculous to say that I'm going to be doing nothing except pushing for your lynch

Guys, can we lynch PeregrineV now?

I think it's kinda scummy to remove the context of post 3611.

Except that I linked to it, so any real player can click on it at any time.

If you feel it's relevant, you can quote it and explain why it's removal was scummy.

[PeregrineV]

Do you always flood 5+ posts in a row PV?

Sometimes more. I fear large walls will distract certain-

SQUIRREL!

Anyways, smaller posts are easier to read. And more likely to get a response. In certain games.

[PeregrineV]

only when he feels threatened

Nah. Since it's just a game I don't feel threatened. And when I die, you'll die. And you know this, that's why you are trying to duck back away from your constant barrage at the beginning of the day of calling for my lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Only if you listen to me. It has been discussed many times that dead town players get totally ignored.

Maybe you should buck the trend and analyze what the dead townies had to say. Because when I analyzed what the dead townies had to say...

Elyse called Aeronaut scum...
TSO called Aeronaut scum...
Texcat called Aeronaut scum...

Guess who didn't call Aeronaut scum?

Didn't see this before. Aegor,

Aero is town.

Their posting is the exact opposite of your 3 scumreads.

Yeah there we go. Look at that. So if there's something to discuss besides your lynch and why you shouldn't hang I'd love to hear it. What did you discover, PeregrineV, when you looked over what the dead had to say?

I haven't. Dead town day1 don't have very much info. I'll be dead town day3, and I've covered who I think might be scum and why.

Which you've ignored.

So, I'm alive and say 3660 and 3661 and you've ignored both of them.

Given that you ignored me while alive, you will ignore me when I'm dead.

For this reason, I continue to [bother, try, post] in a slim effort that scum gets lynched today instead of me.

Which was the point of my original post.

Only if you listen to me. It has been discussed many times that dead town players get totally ignored.

Plus the fact that once you set your mind like this you'll spend the next 8 days doing nothing, so you'll understand if I push for better lynch targets while you repeat how much you want me lynched, right?

[PeregrineV]

Even though Josh didn't call Aero scum he did say this...

Alright. Was about to yell at everyone for the shotty Tex wagon, but apparently thats done with. Why we voting Aegor now?

Also, @Alina, I checked mah wiki and the <3 has been recieved

I would still lynch you, and I think most people would agree if it wasn't for PR.

So again, we can lynch PeregrineV. All we have to do is

No offense, but TSO and texcat dying where the exact same reason you speculated that your townread Alina is the SK.

And having a wrong read isn't scummy.

But keep trying.

And 3660

And 3661

[PeregrineV]

why is PV scum other than being PV

explain it to me like you're make-believing i'm not reading the game

You should stab scum, since I think you're the SK.

why is PV scum other than being PV

explain it to me like you're make-believing i'm not reading the game

tl/dr

1)neighborhood process of elimination.

2)nobody had any reason to call Aeronaut town. I would accept someone calling him null, but not town.

3)Peregrine whines about "nobody listening to the dead" so why doesn't Pere do an analysis of what the dead players had to say? My analysis of what dead players had to say actually supports point 2: all the dead players were calling Aero scum or would be fine with Aero's lynch. Pere was calling Aero town.

4)Based on my limited experience of half a game with Pere in HarryPotter: prisoners of azkaban I have a meta reason. His play looks really town initially during the first day phase of the game, then he coasts on that cred by being generally useless. I noticed during HP:POA that Pere was making content filled posts in other areas of the forum and I was starting to change my read on him but then I subbed out of that game.

1. Which you've done wrong.

2. Sure, I thought he was town. His posts read town to me. I think I went through it in 2234. I was wrong, but it's all out there.

3. Answered.

4. Ahh, the dreaded meta. I don't recall the game, but I think I was scum in the recent HP and town in the older HP. But, can't argue meta. Or at least I'm not going to bother to.

[PeregrineV]

Even though Josh didn't call Aero scum he did say this...

Alright. Was about to yell at everyone for the shotty Tex wagon, but apparently thats done with. Why we voting Aegor now?

Also, @Alina, I checked mah wiki and the <3 has been recieved

I would still lynch you, and I think most people would agree if it wasn't for PR.

So again, we can lynch PeregrineV. All we have to do is

No offense, but TSO and texcat dying where the exact same reason you speculated that your townread Alina is the SK.

And having a wrong read isn't scummy.

But keep trying.

And 3660

And 3661

It's not like Aero was fooling everyone. Aero did not really have strong town play. So having a wrong reads isn't scummy in and of itself. It's the why.

I gave the why. You never contested it when it was posted. Did you even read it?
And my townread on Aero was at least as good as your scumread on Aegor and texcat.
And you had a scmread on tree/Marquis, but that was about as good as a fart in an hurricane.

It's ironic that you say "dead townies have less info" after lamenting that nobody listens to dead townies. Then follow up and admit you haven't even reviewed what dead townies had to say. That's kinda scummy in my book too.

Aegor.Elyse, TSO knew one persons alignment. Texcat & Josh knew 4 alignments when they last posted.
I currently know 7, and 10 if you count Titus+results. That's half the playerlist.
So, given the current gamestate, and the fact I have a good 4 suspects, I have not read the current dead townies.
you say scummy, I say time management.

3661 is no. It's making me raise my eyebrow. Psyche has had plenty of time to confirm Masonry but at this point is flat out refusing to do so. But claiming masons as scum is fucking stupid anyway since it'll lead to chain lynches if it turns out Marquis was faking.

No, Psyche is not a mason with Marquis. If that's the case, why do you have Marquis as a Mason still?

re: 3660-I would imagine there's more to being a SK than "killing townies". Alina is a relatively new player who seems to lack confidence. To me the kills look like "this person is unlikely to be protected kills". They don't look like scumhunting. I'll just say they're definitely not the kills I'd have made.

I just finihsed a game as the SK. I scumhunted, because it's fun. I shot town once I found the scum because I wanted to live.
TSO looks like a player based kill.
texcat looks like a scumhunting kill (2618).

[PeregrineV]

Some of Peregrines recent posts have been barmy. But barmy isn't necessarily scummy, and some of them have also been good.

My original read was mostly based on his refusal to participate on a lynch day one. But if he's willing to keep posting regularly, then I'm willing to not just lynch him out of hand.

I like the word choice, but since I disagree, which ones have been barmy?

Your post regarding the possiblities of different combinations of town or scum in the mason claim. Three of your four possibilities are incredably unlikely, and you didn't include the possibility of them both ACTUALLY being masons. Which is important since it's more likely than them both being scum.

Then, you believe that Marquis & Psyche are masons?

You have changed their fakeclaim from Masons to Mason Lovers?

Considering they are none of the above, why would you even say something like this?

Don't be ridiculous, I'm obviously saying that if one of them dies and flips scum I'm going to immediately push for the lynch of the other. I don't think I would have to try very hard to get it either.

So in effect if one of them dies they both die, and with the inclusion of the SK there's an even grater chance of one of them dying.

I seriously doubt that if one dies the other dies.

If one of them flips town, but non-Mason, do you lynch the other one?

The SK will not shoot them if they beleive the mason claim (which they shouldn't).

[PeregrineV]

bahahahhaha

bahahahahahah

PV saying I need to earn a green coloring

bahahahahahahha

This is a good step towards earning green. /sarcasm

[PeregrineV]

Fun with VCA

Vote Count 1.17

texcat

(L1):

Aegor

,

reinoe

, Mirhawk, tn5421, Marquis, Alina, OkaPoka,

Elyse

,

T S O

, Psyche

OkaPoka (3):

Aeronaut

, RoyalApe,

Gameplay506

Marquis (3):

Josh_B

, Majiffy,

texcat

RoyalApe (1):

PeregrineV

notscience (1):

Shaddowez

Alina (1):

notscience

Psyche (1):

Titus

Not Voting (1):

zMuffinMan

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

~ Deadline expires 9/3/14, @8am central.

Vote Count 1.19

Aegor

(11):

zMuffinMan,

Elyse

, Psyche,

Josh_B, texcat

, OkaPoka, Shaddowez,

Titus

, Mirhawk,

reinoe

, notscience

texcat

(5):

Aegor

, tn5421, Alina,

T S O

, Marquis

OkaPoka (3):

Aeronaut

, RoyalApe,

Gameplay506

Marquis (1):

Majiffy

RoyalApe (1):

PeregrineV

Not Voting (0):

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

~ Deadline expires 9/3/14, @8am central.

[PeregrineV]

@Reinoe- Since you are looking at dead players, does this turn anything up?

Aero-Mirhawk and Aero-Shadow interactions would probably be a good start for figuring that out.

[PeregrineV]

I've been more town since early D1 than you've been all game

Oh yeah, I remember that time you......

And.....

And then you......

And.....

hahahahahah

Those were good times.........

[PeregrineV]

So here is texcat at L-1.
One hood is bolded.
One is italicized
The last is underlined.

Once Shadow and Mirhawk of the scum-free neighborhood give us their reads, then we can see who is scum on and off the 2 town wagons of day1.

Vote Count 1.17

texcat

(L1):

Aegor

,

reinoe

,

Mirhawk

,

tn5421

,

Marquis

, Alina,

OkaPoka

,

Elyse

,

T S O

, Psyche
OkaPoka (3):

Aeronaut

,

RoyalApe

,

Gameplay506

Marquis (3):

Josh_B

, Majiffy,

texcat

RoyalApe (1):

PeregrineV

notscience (1):

Shaddowez

Alina (1): notscience
Psyche (1):

Titus

Not Voting (1):

zMuffinMan

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 1.19

Aegor

(11): zMuffinMan,

Elyse

, Psyche,

Josh_B,

texcat

,

OkaPoka

,

Shaddowez

,

Titus

,

Mirhawk

,

reinoe

, notscience

texcat

(5):

Aegor

,

tn5421

, Alina,

T S O

, Marquis
OkaPoka (3):

Aeronaut

,

RoyalApe

,

Gameplay506

Marquis

(1): Majiffy
RoyalApe (1):

PeregrineV

Not Voting (0):

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

[PeregrineV]

oh majiffy is scum

it's going to be hard to lynch him though :/

Majiffy is a mason with Psyche.

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP

So here is texcat at L-1.
One hood is bolded.
One is italicized
The last is underlined.

Once Shadow and Mirhawk of the scum-free neighborhood give us their reads, then we can see who is scum on and off the 2 town wagons of day1.

Vote Count 1.17

texcat

(L1):

Aegor

,

reinoe

,

Mirhawk

,

tn5421

,

Marquis

, Alina,

OkaPoka

,

Elyse

,

T S O

, Psyche
OkaPoka (3):

Aeronaut

,

RoyalApe

,

Gameplay506

Marquis (3):

Josh_B

, Majiffy,

texcat

RoyalApe (1):

PeregrineV

notscience (1):

Shaddowez

Alina (1): notscience
Psyche (1):

Titus

Not Voting (1):

zMuffinMan

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

[PeregrineV]

Skybird replaces RoyalApe effectively immediately.

Please give her a warm welcome, everyone.

Welcome Skybird!

Are you scum?

[PeregrineV]

oh majiffy is scum

it's going to be hard to lynch him though :/

i told you i told you i told you

You did, way back here on page 4---> 98

[PeregrineV]

oh majiffy is scum

it's going to be hard to lynch him though :/

i told you i told you i told you

You did, way back here on page 4---> 98

And, you did it in 3 posts!!

eads and reached the wrong conclusion before, so there is that.

Only

town

time will tell.

You're not Zabiano Domingo Rodriguez.

Why do you have his avatar?

Zabriel

Nvm though, apparently just aesthetically similar.

can we get to playing now

No we have to jerk off for 20 more pages don't you know how this game works these days?

[PeregrineV]

come on pv, critical reading

*sigh*

Who are your other 3 scumreads besides Majiffy?

[PeregrineV]

notices majiffy only non-confirmed-town on my wagon at that point
remembers xmen when majiffy pushed the shittiest arguments as scum
remembers majiffy's "case" on tree
doesn't think my wagon was all town for the majority of the day
oh wow
why did i overlook majiffy

i wanna lynch pv tho bc hood poe

And I mentioned that if people think 1 scum per hood, you are next. If people this scum-free hood, then they have 2 scum to find in.

notscience
Muffin
Majiffy
alina
Psyche

[PeregrineV]

I don't think scum would want to lynch within their hood since Poe. Especially not in marqui' situation because his being scum woul lead to a chain lynch of psyche.

Then when I flip town, what will be your stance on Marquis the non-Mason?

[PeregrineV]

Wait mirhawk makes a lot of sense.

Mirhawk posts a LOT in the neigborhood and ever since day 1 he was talking about a scum free neighborhood implying our neighborhood.

But how would he know about more than one neighborhood?

Did he bring up multiple neighborhoods in the QT before it was said in the thread?

[PeregrineV]

Mirhawk, are you British?

I'm Canadian. Canadian English uses American pronunciation for a lot of things, but usually uses British spelling.

Then, you believe that Marquis & Psyche are masons?

I seriously doubt that if one dies the other dies.

If one of them flips town, but non-Mason, do you lynch the other one?

The SK will not shoot them if they beleive the mason claim (which they shouldn't).

I believe there is a better chance of them being masons then not masons.

OK. Maybe they could paraphrase their QT for the last 2 nights.

Neither of them are going to flip non-mason town. Why would town go along with a ridiculous gambit like that, there's no benefit. The right thing to do would be to let everyone know that the other persons full of shit. Which hasn't happened, so its not going to happen.

Ummmmm. I don't even know how to respond to this. If one does flip non-Mason town, I guess you'll go a little bit insane.

Also the SK has just as much of a stake in not wanting confirmed townies around in the endgame as scum do. For pretty much the same reasons too.

It's still different. If the SK is investigation immune, then confirmed town means nothing, they are avoiding the lynch. If they are BP, then leaving the mafia alive means nothing, they are avoiding the NK.
SK will play based on how they are set up.
I prefer mine with II and at LEAST one shot BP if not full BP.
Not sure how Wake likes his.

Once Shadow and Mirhawk of the scum-free neighborhood give us their reads, then we can see who is scum on and off the 2 town wagons of day1.

I dare you to find a single place where I've said there's no scum in my neighborhood. I'm saying that I doubt there's probably not scum in every neighborhood, those are two different things.
I have no ideas what neighborhoods contain scum and which don't.

I am speculating there is one in each.
You want to speculate there is not.
Fine.
Which one does not contain scum?
You can say you don't know.
Fine.
I say, who are your scumreads (and why). We then look at your scumreads and see what neighborhood they are in. (hint: 3669)
You answer, then we go from there.

I also have no idea what information you're trying to portray with these votecounts.

Wagons are made up of scum or town. You look at wagons on town, and try to determine who is town that wanted to lynch who they thought were scum, and who is scum mislynching town. As town voters on the wagon are identified, it increases the likelihood that the remaining players are scum.

[PeregrineV]

Sweet. Okay, sorry for not being on. I lost my laptop charger and...yeah. That wasn't a very fortunate occurrence. I'll try catch up on the 30 something pages when I get back tonight x.x since I'mma leave in like...15 mins. Anything in particular I should be looking for? Like, you know, how Oka apparently hasn't been killed yet.

I speculate scum in the neighborhoods. Working on getting scumreads from people. Marquis claims masons with Psyche. Muffin continues to stab people.

[PeregrineV]

@Majiffy

- Is there scum in the neighborhoods?

[PeregrineV]

I don't know or care. But probably.

One in each? Or is there a scum free neighborhood?

[PeregrineV]

I don't know or care. But probably.

If you did care, what do you think?

[PeregrineV]

I think Marquis and Psyche are obvscum and Mirhawk has a good chance of being scum.

So figure out where I stand based on that.

That means you think a scum in each hood and one outside them all.

And you think Muffin is the SK.

[PeregrineV]

Monday- back!

[PeregrineV]

Titus - The Cop
zMuffinMan - Probably Town
Majiffy - Probably Town
PeregrineV - Unknown
Reinoe - Cleared by Cop
alina --- Need more
mirhawk - Probably scum
notscience - Unknown
Shaddowez - Probably scum
RoyalApe - Unknown
tn5421 - Unknown
gameplay506 - Cleared by cop
Marquis - Mason
Psyche - Mason
OkaPoka - Doctor

There we go. If scum kill outside that group... then they got problems coming down the pike. Even if the masons are scum (I doubt it). They'll run into issues with too many clears soon enough.

@Titus-

Really curious why you think there are 2 scum in the Mir/Oka/Shadow hood.
And why you believe the Marquis claim?

FIXED

Neighborhoods (I think)

marquis/

titus

/

pv

/

texcat

tn5421/

aero

/

gameplay

/royalape
Mirhawk/

Aegor

/Oka/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy
alina
Psyche

[PeregrineV]

I say, who are your scumreads (and why). We then look at your scumreads and see what neighborhood they are in. (hint: 3669)
You answer, then we go from there.

Wagons are made up of scum or town. You look at wagons on town, and try to determine who is town that wanted to lynch who they thought were scum, and who is scum mislynching town. As town voters on the wagon are identified, it increases the likelihood that the remaining players are scum.

I haven't had any really strong scumreads since Aero. I'm operating off a list of players I find the least town instead.

The list currently consists of Majiffy, TN, Peregrine, and Muffin.

Also, yes I realize you were doing vote count analysis. But the posts with with votecounts you posted don't actually contain any analysis. Hence my confusion over them.

You said you needed my reads to continue, I'm not sure why you need them for VCA though.

Now that you have them how about you continue.

You also have scum in 2-1-0 in neighborhoods.

My current analysis is not based so much on the vote count, although I did notice that neighborhoods tend to vote together. I'm mostly basing it off of my opinion of the setup (right or wrong). My goal with the VCs was to insert various scumreads to see if they make sense in the context of the VCs. I'll do that after I catch up.

[PeregrineV]

4 days left

I say we start agreeing on who we should lynch.

It's PV or Mirhawk.

But it's not. And you know it.

[PeregrineV]

Majiffy

- I'll be honest. You and I haven't interacted much this game, and I've been flip flopping your read pretty much every time I read the game. At the time I posted that I was in a time crunch, and the bits that I read that night had me thinking you were sounding a bit scummy. I was very much not a fan of your early game, and at present I'm failing to see your case on Mirhawk, outside of thinking there's a scum in each neighborhood. Do you have any other reasoning for that, because based on interaction in the hood, and his game here, I don't get much of a scum vibe from him.

As for the PV wagon, I'm torn. I'm not entirely convinced either way, though I am starting to lean scum.

The biggest thing driving me right now is I think PV's flip will give us quite a bit of information based on his wagon.

I'd actually prefer a tn lynch, but with less than three days it looks like it's between PV and Mir. Unless I see an extremely good case on Mir, I'm sticking with my previous statement of not voting for him.

Since my vote should be somewhere, I'll stick it here for now

VOTE: Pere

Yech.


We've had 2 large town wagons and a scum wagon, and I have yet to see you try and glean any information from any of those lynches, so your bolded statement above seems very disingenuous. This, along with that whole "I don't know if Pere is town or scum pretending to be town" from 3623 makes this the 2nd cringe-worthy thing from you this gameday.
Looking at the Aero iso, you have 2-3 mentions in passing by him.
Your own views are against Aero lynch day1, but not because you think he is town. You went from 1613 (I don't like Aero) to 2032 (Not convinced Aero is scum). Day2 you are around but manage to not be on the wagon.
Lastly, I kind of liked your early posting as town for the same reason I liked Aero's as town. And we all know that went horribly wrong.

Congrats, you can be the scum in your hood!

[PeregrineV]

preferred lynches:

pv (probably the scum in our hood, seemed too informed about gamestate / nothing here and trying to collect townreads in our hood / earlier trying not to narrow down our hood until i pushed on him)
tn (feeling the scum meta, similarly to recent open whatevernumber that feirei+caled just modded)

mirhawk place your vote on pv because they're prob a scumteam anyway

Doh!!

Since I had Aero's ISO open to look at Mirhawk and Shadow, I decided to check into tree/you.
So far the count is 6 or so "I'm not sure tree is scum", with 2+ counts of "tree is town/VI"

Then this fun one.

Psyche started off extremely not helpful, with distractions and the such. However, he has lately come to his senses and is one of the people questioning the tree votes. I'll talk about my exact thoughts about the tree wagon below.

Tree, everybody, is not scum. People who are lynching him because he's a VI, then if that's the way you vote, I guess that's how you vote. I don't agree with it at all, and I don't think we should be lynching him. However, it's those that claim that your voting him because he's scum that I'm interested in. Let's take a look.

And TSO's 1103

And this from you.

I've been a major part of trying to talk Titus down from the Aero lynch, moving discussion and thoughts away from "there must be scum in every neighborhood", and so on.

You think tn and Aero were scum in the same hood.....

[PeregrineV]

Looked over early tree/psyche stuff. Tree does declaratives that psyche is town, psyche said tree is town, but usually with qualifiers ("because _______"). If they are scum together, then it was planned pre-game, because it can be seen seeded throughout early posts.

However, if this is somehow true, then that would make the scum in our hood Titus. Since I think Titus is fully capable of fakeclaiming BP macho cop as scum and running with it as far and fast as possible, then Marquis as mason would be doubly vexing. To this end, Titus shoudl be lynched in the next few days if she is still alive, if for no reason but to confirm her innocents.

Outside possibility of Marquis and Titus both town, but then we would be an all-town neighborhood. And then, if one, why not two?

Uggh.

Vote: Shadow

[PeregrineV]

Rereading Peregrine

-His interaction with the day one lynch sucks. It looks kind of like he's mocking the players who are trying to get a lynch by being abjectly unhelpful.

Was against an Aero lynch, and felt Aegor was town since we've had a lot of recent games together. So, yes, generally against lynches of my townreads. Not sure about mocking, but maybe, since I think I;'m capable of being snarky sometimes.

-PV's 2798 drives me nuts. It stands out to me EVERY time I go back. It's a zip code in Texas, but that's all I got.

It's just a countdaown to never, since I have/had Marquis as scum.

-PV addresses the five man neighborhood. Never mentions that again. This may be irrelevant.

Might have been trying to clarify. Since there might be 5 scum, it might have been a slip on someone's part. Who was I talking to or about? Post#?

-PV shimmies up nice and tight to Aero during day one. Then is conspicuously absent during day two when Titus throws down. Dunno if the second part matters since he has several periods of inactivity scattered around the game.

Yes. I thought he was town, and the claim made sense with 2-scumteam setup (which it turned out not to be). Titus direct counterclaim obviously makes a difference from Aero's claim, but day2 started on Saturday and ended Sunday, and for the most part I don't mafia much on weekends (see my sig).

-~3500ish seems to become more involved with game.

scumflip and 4 townflips means more fuel for scumhunting. And natually the minute I start posting, everyone else shuts down. Kind of used to it at this point, but annoying nonetheless.

-Lots of posts that I would classify as noise/setup speculation/offtopic.

Noise?
Off-topic?
hmmmm...unlikely.

Set-up speculation? Yes. Because it can be used to find scum.

I dunno, his insistence that Aero was town is the only thing that really stands out to me. His play isn't really town, but isn't really scum either. What do you got on him?

@Peregrine
What's your thoughts on no lynches?

They can be useful. Now is probably not the time for them. Check your neighborhood Shadow posting. How does it compare to main thread?

Why were you being so unhelpful at the end of day one?

Didn't want Aero lynch, didn't want Aegor lynched.

[PeregrineV]

I think Titus is pushing Mirhawk because of his place in Areo's 959 reads. I can kind of see that, but would rather Shadow in that hood.

[PeregrineV]

WHO THE HELL IS ZMUFFINMAN? I keep forgetting he's in this game. Can I get reads from you or something? Who even are you?

A player that should be lynched.

[PeregrineV]

The detrmionation of roles/alignments to players is random. Beyond that, I don't think the 2nd layer of design has to be random.

[PeregrineV]

WHO THE HELL IS ZMUFFINMAN? I keep forgetting he's in this game. Can I get reads from you or something? Who even are you?

A player that should be lynched.

nuh uh

Yeah, your effort is less than abysmal. As scum, you don't have to do much more than nudge, until you need to push mislynhces. As town, 1 dead scum and 5 dead town would give you *something* to work with.

[PeregrineV]

He's just dicking around

town muffin would at least try to do something

lal

it's 2-1 now that say town-you would do more.

[PeregrineV]

Shaddowez - Probably scum

Vote Shadow

[PeregrineV]

We've had 2 large town wagons and a scum wagon, and I have yet to see you try and glean any information from any of those lynches, so your bolded statement above seems very disingenuous.

Let me get this straight - if people haven't done something in the past, they can't do it in the future without being scum? Also, just because I haven't posted about it doesn't mean that I haven't used info from VCA.

If you used it then it makes sense that we would have seen it.

This, along with that whole "I don't know if Pere is town or scum pretending to be town" from 3623 makes this the 2nd cringe-worthy thing from you this gameday.
Looking at the Aero iso, you have 2-3 mentions in passing by him.
Your own views are against Aero lynch day1, but not because you think he is town. You went from 1613 (I don't like Aero) to 2032 (Not convinced Aero is scum). Day2 you are around but manage to not be on the wagon.

Notice I stated intent to hammer here. Pysche hammered here. If you look at the timestamp, and the fact that

I don't post during the day (EST) or much on weekends

, you'll see I had no chance to get on the wagon.

Since I think Titus is fully capable of fakeclaiming BP macho cop as scum and running with it as far and fast as possible,

If this is the case, since Oka hardclaimed first why claim macho and not let Oka waste his protects on her?

I see what your saying here. But, you are also saying scum can fakeclaim cop and scum can fakeclaim BP but scum can't fakeclaim macho?

Number of people who have made a case on Mirhawk=0.

This.

Also, I'm doing this.

VOTE: tn

I went through his ISO, and I can't even find enough content to bother trying to make a case with. He's done no apparent scumhunting this game, had Aero as a townread until he voted for Aero, his biggest scum reads/arguments were with Elyse and texcat....it could be a red herring, but tn has been on my scumdar for a while now. If it comes down to deadline I'll compromise with a Pere vote, but would really rather see tn hang.

Maybe. Since it messes with my 1scum per hood idea, would like to hear about TN's neighorhood play from gameplay and skybird.

[PeregrineV]

Very interesting game so far. To be honest, there's so much information it makes it hard to figure out where to start. For now, I'm looking at the people on the Aegor wagon. When you remove the known town and people that have claimed you are left with: zMuffinMan, Shaddowez, Mirhawk, reinoe, and notscience. Since Aeronaut was not on the wagon, I think there's a good chance that one of these 5 are scum. For now, I am removing Mirhawk from that list because I really haven't seen a good argument against him. I would like to vote one of the remaining 4. But I do realize we are down to 2 days and need to decide on who to lynch.

What's the case against TN? My read on him is null at the moment. I've read his ISO and while I don't see anything that jumps out as town, I also do see anything big that makes me think scum.

Talk about neighborhood activity and content, esp with regards to TN.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: PV

Why are you jumping on this now when there are 2 others at 4 and 4? It would have been more helpful when I was at 5 or 6 votes.

[PeregrineV]

From reading the neighborhood thread, it seems Aero had TN and gameplay fooled about being scum. Both TN and gameplay talked about how to save Aero from the lynch. Aero did claim gunsmith in the neighborhood thread. Both TN and gameplay voted for Aero though in the end.

Yes, but that was day2 after Titus countered.

Looking at day1 wagons on town:

In the first, the entire neighborhood is voting together. That seems to indicate they believed Aeronaut and supported him. TN was the one off the wagon.
In the second, neighborhood support still behind Aero and his lynch choice, TN still voting texcat.

If Aero is scum with TN, then he is making no effort to distance form him, and is, in fact, looking like a townie that believes the Aero claim.

So here is texcat at L-1.
One hood is bolded.
One is italicized
The last is underlined.

Once Shadow and Mirhawk of the scum-free neighborhood give us their reads, then we can see who is scum on and off the 2 town wagons of day1.

Vote Count 1.17

texcat

(L1):

Aegor

,

reinoe

,

Mirhawk

,

tn5421

,

Marquis

, Alina,

OkaPoka

,

Elyse

,

T S O

, Psyche
OkaPoka (3):

Aeronaut

,

RoyalApe

,

Gameplay506

Marquis (3):

Josh_B

, Majiffy,

texcat

RoyalApe (1):

PeregrineV

notscience (1):

Shaddowez

Alina (1): notscience
Psyche (1):

Titus

Not Voting (1):

zMuffinMan

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

Vote Count 1.19

Aegor

(11): zMuffinMan,

Elyse

, Psyche,

Josh_B,

texcat

,

OkaPoka

,

Shaddowez

,

Titus

,

Mirhawk

,

reinoe

, notscience

texcat

(5):

Aegor

,

tn5421

, Alina,

T S O

, Marquis
OkaPoka (3):

Aeronaut

,

RoyalApe

,

Gameplay506

Marquis

(1): Majiffy
RoyalApe (1):

PeregrineV

Not Voting (0):

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

[PeregrineV]

that was tree/marquis who faked a daykill, and I know because I specifically remember bringing this up directly to tn and he ignored it. Mirhawk's post is a typo.

Whoops yeah, I had the player and the action wrong.

It was TSO, and he claimed he could stop Gameplay from posting.

Trying to policy him would require :effort: though.

....ehh fuckit its not like im doing anything useful

VOTE: TSO

Either make gameplay stop posting or eat some votes.

TSO is already dead, stabbed to death the first night, like 3 weeks ago.

[PeregrineV]

@PV: Why did you color aeronaut green in the second votecount (1.19)?

Typo. Should be red.

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP:

From reading the neighborhood thread, it seems Aero had TN and gameplay fooled about being scum. Both TN and gameplay talked about how to save Aero from the lynch. Aero did claim gunsmith in the neighborhood thread. Both TN and gameplay voted for Aero though in the end.

Yes, but that was day2 after Titus countered.

Looking at day1 wagons on town:

In the first, the entire neighborhood is voting together. That seems to indicate they believed Aeronaut and supported him. TN was the one off the wagon.
In the second, neighborhood support still behind Aero and his lynch choice, TN still voting texcat.

If Aero is scum with TN, then he is making no effort to distance form him, and is, in fact, looking like a townie that believes the Aero claim.

So here is texcat at L-1.
One hood is bolded.
One is italicized
The last is underlined.

Once Shadow and Mirhawk of the scum-free neighborhood give us their reads, then we can see who is scum on and off the 2 town wagons of day1.

Vote Count 1.17

texcat

(L1):

Aegor

,

reinoe

,

Mirhawk

,

tn5421

,

Marquis

, Alina,

OkaPoka

,

Elyse

,

T S O

, Psyche
OkaPoka (3):

Aeronaut

,

RoyalApe

,

Gameplay506

Marquis (3):

Josh_B

, Majiffy,

texcat

RoyalApe (1):

PeregrineV

notscience (1):

Shaddowez

Alina (1): notscience
Psyche (1):

Titus

Not Voting (1):

zMuffinMan

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

Vote Count 1.19

Aegor

(11): zMuffinMan,

Elyse

, Psyche,

Josh_B,

texcat

,

OkaPoka

,

Shaddowez

,

Titus

,

Mirhawk

,

reinoe

, notscience

texcat

(5):

Aegor

,

tn5421

, Alina,

T S O

, Marquis
OkaPoka (3):

Aeronaut

,

RoyalApe

,

Gameplay506

Marquis

(1): Majiffy
RoyalApe (1):

PeregrineV

Not Voting (0):

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

[PeregrineV]

there's no way tn isn't faking his ignorance here.

Who are the scum on the Aegor wagon?

Who is scum off it?

[PeregrineV]

preferred lynches in order:

pv
tn
majiffy

Why am I even in this list?

for being a mason with me.

[PeregrineV]

I don't know if Mirhawk or PV are scum. It's too late in the day though to put a vote on someone else and I don't want to see the day end in a no lynch. Looking at my notes I see that Mirhawk was in on both d1 and d2 lynches. PV voted for my slot on d1 and didn't vote on d2.

PV, can you tell me why you didn't vote on d2?

It happened in the course of one day (about 27 hours) over the weekend, which I am not usually on.

Titus counter claim pretty much means Aero was going to be lynched. You'd have better luck checking who posted day2 and didn't vote him, and asking them about it.

[PeregrineV]

@Sky- a claim from TN would have been nice.

Would also be great if he's a PR if he comes in and gives results before dying.

[PeregrineV]

What if there is 4 mafia and an SK?

We had a bodyguard, roleblocker, doc, and cop. It could make sense with the amount of pr 's we have plus we have a masonry.

Masons usually take the place of cops, since it's basically confirming 1-2 people. Titus claim made it iffy for masons, Titus flip makes it even more so.

[PeregrineV]

There's two scum in Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy

Look at how impossible it was to wagon them compAres to the ease of the tn5421 Lynch.

Also nice gambit Titus.

tn5421 (LYNCH): Mirhawk, Alina, Shaddowez, OkaPoka, reinoe, Titus, Marquis,(Skybird)

the scum on this wagon could be...

Alina/OkaPoka/Skybird.

VOTE: Skybird

If you think there are two scum between Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy, why are you voting someone from your second group where you feel there is only one scum?

Do you mean like 4 posts later when he voted for Majiffy?

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 3.9

tn5421

(7):

Mirhawk, Alina, Shaddowez,

OkaPoka

,

reinoe

,

Titus

, Marquis

Mirhawk (2):

Majiffy,

Gameplay506

PeregrineV (2):

Psyche, zMuffinMan

T S O

(1):

tn5421

Shaddowez (1):

PeregrineV

zMuffinMan (1):

notscience

Not Voting (1):

Skybird

~ With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
~ Deadline expires 9/25/14, @10PM central.

[PeregrineV]

Neighborhoods

marquis/

titus

/

pv

/

texcat

tn5421

/

aero

/

gameplay

/skybird
Mirhawk/

Aegor

/Oka/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy
alina
Psyche[/quote]

[PeregrineV]

Hi.

Hello! Scumreads?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Marquis

OK, Jiffy, let's see money where your mouth is.

[PeregrineV]

Lol bad vote. Why?

Pretend I think there is scum in each hood. I'm not, the 2 dead guys aren;t, that leaves Marquis.

Conversely, choose Shadow or Mirhawk from thier hood.

Then find one of 2 outside the hoods.

Or pick your own combination and put it out there. Right now you just seem to be cruising when there is not a whole lot of activity to "get lost in".

[PeregrineV]

Right now I prefer to not base my reads on the hoods. Wake could of either placed them randomly or not. It depends. That is why I base my reads on this thread and my nb.

Ok, then what are your reads and why?

[PeregrineV]

Still not finished. Like I need to get to work on this game but I am super lazy

Then it would be more precise to say "lol, I feel your vote is bad, but I'm too lazy to investigate, therefore I will sheep you instead."

[PeregrineV]

SIGH

Dazzle me with your townliness to change my mind. Otherwise,

[PeregrineV]

@Wake- V/LA this weekend

[PeregrineV]

Back- catching up today/tonight

[PeregrineV]

Or you could just sheep Jiffy again seeing as how he's obviously the most reputable person here.

Glancing back at the scum lynch, I find it odd that you call Majiffy the most reputable person here when he had no part of it.

Aeronaut (LYNCH): Marquis, Titus, OkaPoka, reinoe, Gameplay506, Alina, texcat, tn5421, Mirhawk, Psyche

(Not on Aero)
zMuffinMan
Majiffy
PeregrineV
notscience
Shaddowez
Skybird

Granted, I haven't read all

167

freakin' pages, but that's a pretty odd claim to run across under those circumstances.

Aero lynch happened in less than 26 hours based on a counterclaim.

[PeregrineV]

Wow, 3 pages of not much.

@House

- please read my spec on the neighborhoods and scum existence/distribution in them. Also read my posts on the voting patterns and counts. It's all in my ISO. Would like to see your thought-out comments.

[PeregrineV]

Wow, 3 pages of not much.

@House

- please read my spec on the neighborhoods and scum existence/distribution in them. Also read my posts on the voting patterns and counts. It's all in my ISO. Would like to see your thought-out comments.

I think speculation is weak grounds to advocate a lynch, or even point a finger. Wake loves his random distros.

Crunch some numbers. Randomly, what is the odds of at least one scum in each hood?

[PeregrineV]

@Wake- Can Opening Post be updated with dead, alive, etc.? Thanks!

[PeregrineV]

i don't think reinoe is lying about the claim

and i think if it was a scum role majiffy would be alive

in other news this setup is power role-heavy

VOTE: pv

psyche sheep me or i'm not letting you be my mason anymore

There it is. Was wondering what happened to you.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: House

One time, at band camp...

I mean, one time, in this game I modded, a scum player replaced in and proceeded to get the white mage lynched.

[PeregrineV]

i don't think reinoe is lying about the claim

and i think if it was a scum role majiffy would be alive

in other news this setup is power role-heavy

VOTE: pv

psyche sheep me or i'm not letting you be my mason anymore

VOTE: PeregrineV

OkaPoka, Town Doc

(LYNCH): House, notscience, Shaddowez, Skybird,

reinoe

,

Majiffy

, Gameplay506

Perhaps whatever process you are using to scumhunt you should find a new one.

Perhaps self-vote, that way you don't continue to contribute to a town loss. Since without checking I'm going to guess you've been on every town mislynch, calling them scum?

[PeregrineV]

Doh! My eyes!

Yeah, I looked.

[PeregrineV]

Neighborhoods

marquis/

titus-cop

/

pv

/

texcat

tn5421

/

aero

/

gameplay (Titus cop result)

/skybird

Mirhawk-tracker

/

Aegor-bodyguard?

/

Oka-doc

/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe (Titus cop result)

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy

House
Psyche

[PeregrineV]

Doh! My eyes!

Yeah, I looked.

I'd rather say I tried than what you're doing, which is sitting back and doing nothing. For example you complained about how nobody listened to dead people over a month ago and you still haven't followed up on that.

I did. Find the post and quote it.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Why do you think Aero and Skybird are scum in the same hood?

What do you think of the Lynch wagon on the town doc?

[PeregrineV]

For all these protective PR claims, ain't nobody being protected.

Reinoe's broken ass claim makes the least sense of the 3.


VOTE: reinoe

I think speculation is weak grounds to advocate a lynch, or even point a finger.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: House

One time, at band camp...

I mean, one time, in this game I modded, a scum player replaced in and proceeded to get the white mage lynched.

Right, I was the only person that called bs on that retarded claim.

Whatevs.

OkaPoka, Town Doc

(LYNCH): House, notscience, Shaddowez, Skybird,

reinoe

,

Majiffy

, Gameplay506

No, you managed to convince notscience, Skybird, reinoe and gamplay, as well as scum-Majiffy.

Which one took the most convincing? Which was the hardest sell to get them to join? Who had the most reservations?

[PeregrineV]

You didn't even consider reinoe and his BLATANTLY overpowered role and you went lets be dumb and keep on tunneling yo.

There's time for reinoe tomorrow, assuming he lives through the night... considering kills haven't been blocked period, hell no I don't buy his b/s claim.

You think he a Godfather? Titus investigated him and called him town.