New York 181 -- Game Over

[Wake1]

Confirming.

Also, NS, if you've got a place to store your notes, please put me down as a continual pre-in for any and all future Picking Simplicity games of yours.

I am flattered; thank you! And I will. ~~NS

[Wake1]

VOTE: Egg

You can't trust eggs.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Shiro

Only Scum gets vengeful.

[Wake1]

As I often say, I tend to change the way I play.

That's because in general I don't like being read.

And in this game, with limited time, I feel more like playing fast and loose.

[Wake1]

In a way it's funny how my obviously RVS votes are being taken so seriously.

If anything it sort of justifies how I typically like being conservative with my votes.

[Wake1]

Dave, Wake mentioned not liking being read in my last game with him. He was scum there.

And? I don't know Dave, I'm not Scum, and saying you don't like being read in general doesn't make a person Scum.

If you're going to be illogical, at least be upfront about it.

[Wake1]

Actually Wake, game 8 offsite, your scum game, you voted for House right away but this town game here you argued against voting D1: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6502505

My vote is now serious.

So are you assuming I haven't or can't withhold my vote as Scum, or vote at a casual rate as Town?

I doubt you would think I'd be that rigid if you were truly being honest.

[Wake1]

Vote:Garmr

Reaplacing out just to get scot free after we caught you inexcusable

Someone Didn't read the after game I was getting annoyed because I really thought axle and boon skies (which I didn't mention) were opposing scum (axle because of his behavior, boon skies because he was the same role as me and I thought the opposing scum team had all the same roles.) You guys wouldn't touch them so I raged. Didn't think they would turn out town.

That aside I'm more curious as to why wake voted egg only to quickly shift it to shiro. Instead of making two competing wagons me and egg, He made It so we 2v3v2. It feels suspicious because he changed his vote only 2 mins after he voted egg. Someone would only do that if they were cautious of the rvs stage.

Serious vote.

VOTE: wake

If anything, I'm curious about why you'd take joke votes so seriously, and apparently try to weave them into something they aren't.

Why

exactly do you think they were serious? I expect a damned good answer from you on this, Garmr.

[Wake1]

I still don't like his voting pattern.

You should explain this in detail, because in my opinion two non-serious votes aren't a pattern at all.

[Wake1]

if i had to put it into words, i guess i dislike that he said the 2v3v2 thing. his vote on wake looks like someone who spotted something odd and decided to do some digging to see how they could justify a vote.

That's how I felt about it, in so many words.

[Wake1]

(different than normal wake)

Which is...?

[Wake1]

Why do you think I can't take the pleasure of making two RVS votes in rapid succession? What are you trying to do here?

And you honestly don't know me too well, nor do you know current underlying circumstances, which affect my ability to play.

If I were able, I'd be amassing thorough, well-written reads on an occasional basis.

[Wake1]

(different than normal wake)

I admit it. I'm actually just a clone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlxoyw_8I7I

[Wake1]

also i will divine if elusive is town or not very early on starting with this:

elusive are you scum?

I'm town, yay.


However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your second favoritest color?
3. Are you scum?
4. What is your spirit animal?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

*Sigh*

1. Scum. Just barely.
2. Orange.
3. No. (Yes. )
4. Crawfish.
5. Highly organized reads and volleys of pin-point questions.
6. Probably me if you catch me on a good day.

[Wake1]

Eh, I don't really get the feeling that dragon's being manipulative.

[Wake1]

Are you scum trying to decide who to kill first?

I hadn't thought of it that way.

[Wake1]

Why do you think I can't take the pleasure of making two RVS votes in rapid succession? What are you trying to do here?

And you honestly don't know me too well, nor do you know current underlying circumstances, which affect my ability to play.

If I were able, I'd be amassing thorough, well-written reads on an occasional basis.

Just doesn't seem like you. I don't know you personally but I remember the games we played the drama you caused at the time and the way people talked and how I looked into you.

Hope you have a good understanding of what you're talking about, buddy, because your post here isn't making any sense.

[Wake1]

Silver, why do think Wake's RVS is scum motivated? Do you think he expected a flash wagon and quicklynch in a large game's RVS or something? I get that it's different, but why is it scum? I admit 103 is scummy, but you voted him before that and I'm still curious about your answer.

My original vote was an RVS vote. I found his two quick votes in RVS to be odd for him because he's usually much more conservative and cautious with his vote and play in general as town. I played with him in a game offsite where he was scum and voted right away like that so it rang a bell for me. The game I linked was one example of his town game where he doesn't vote right away. A quick meta skim showed another town game where it was the same thing. He also had a town game where he did vote right away and a scum game where he replaced in and waited.

Why is 103 scummy? I read that and don't see anything scummy in that post.

Good, good, you're researching some of my past games. Simply put, you shouldn't really put much stock in meta, because it's really not that reliable (and it requires a whole lot of time). I've typically avoided using feelings and gauging emotions when it comes to Mafia, but have started relying a tad on expressing what I feel in these games. Too often people devalue feelings and emotions, as if they aren't important. They're part of our very make-up (research prefontal cortex and the limbic system).

[Wake1]

HRMPH. UNVOTE:

We have 20 peeps in this game. Some may not know this, but I also played in NS's 3rd Picking Simplicity game. As for my state of mind at this very moment, large games like this tend to make me feel overwhelmed, lost, and paranoid as all hell. If we're going to get through this alive we're going to need to rely on one another in order to survive.

What we shouldn't do—and I know it can be tough—is get angry with one another. Don't raise your voice: improve your argument. And if you feel angry, try counting to ten first instead of doing something you'll regret later. Though I've played for a little while, I'd say I'm really not that good, and even now I struggle with trying to coordinate my move and get done the things I want to get done. Some overestimate me far too much, while others underestimate me too much as well and, what can I say? It's something you have to live with and yet another wave to try and navigate through. Everyone here—whether Town or Scum—wants to win. The best way for us Townies to win is to pull together and act like a team, otherwise we're simply making Scum's work that much easier.

One thing that I've learned throughout the games is to question everything. Another thing is that you shouldn't be afraid of criticism, because no matter what you say or do someone is going to jump in and criticize you for it. Just get over it and play—if you can. Sometimes the crushing constraints of time makes things we want to do impossible. For the newbie players in this game, and those who have moderate experience, please try to be patient and calm with each other. Mafia's not just a game of truth and lies, but also a very social and philosophical game where all manner of concepts therein apply. We need to work together. Being at each other's throats will not help, and do nothing but weigh the odds against us. The wisest thing you could do at the moment is lay down your petty contentions and rise above it. Communicate and collaborate with calmness of mind and an earnest—and honest—desire to discuss these things.

Now, let's get down to business.

Silverwolf

is that kind of player who, in my mind, has untapped potential. As with

House

,

KlingonCelt

, FA_Q2, and

dragonspawn

, they started out making newbie mistakes and are now, ha, pretty darn good. For this game,

I get the feeling that she's Town

, because she hasn't, from what I've seen, get angry which, to be honest, is something that I recall when she was Scum in the past. Now, of course, I could be completely wrong, and SW here, who has been nothing but pleasant, calm, and inquisitive, could simply be Scum with a newfound sense of emotional control. When you think of it it's quite scary, to be honest with you. But since when is fear not a valid part of faith?

Now—and it must be said—the matter of her 47 must be discussed, because it's a valid issue to talk about, and she has very good reason to bring it up. More often than not, as Town, I do tend to reserve my vote, because the matter of mislynching is something I find wholly unsavory, whether it be on my end, or someone on the end of my spear. What ought to be noted, though, is the two votes of mine she quoted were, by nature, meaningless, because they were RVS votes, and in no way were intended to be serious. Unless, of course, you do believe that Egg should be lynched because he's an egg, or that only Scum can be vengeful with their actions, behaviors, or abilities. Should you think those votes were serious, there may be more to you that I cannot reach a personal level, because it's nothing short of insane. Indeed, I fired two RVS votes in rapid succession. If you think that means I am Scum, I daresay there is a flaw in your thinking, and that perhaps those around you are trying to capitalize on your intellectual mis-endeavor. The point where that arrow breaks is where Silverwolf then realizes and acknowledges that, in fact, I have voted right away as Town before and have been conservative with my vote as Scum, too, as is said in 172. The real question is whether or not anyone can gauge my moody mood and know what exactly I would do as either alignment. For one, I feel bored, and am currently enjoying my first weekend off in over three months. Having fun with the other players by also sending out RVS votes is something I may just be inclined to do.

As for the rest of her posts

, I'm kinda craving breakfast and sweets now, and I don't really recall

dragonspawn

fluffing a lot in general. If memory serves,

Aneninen

is one to fluff, though, but fluff in itself isn't really something to worry about, so it may be better to look elsewhere. As for

dragonspawn

being defensive—per your 162—I'd have to actually see where in fact he's being defensive.

Your pointing out what you perceive to be fluctuations in the metas of others does ring Townish to me.

I absolutely do not like

deltawave

's

vote on

Silverwolf

, and, honestly, found the exchanges between her and

Egg

worthy of further discussion. I am not willing to vote for her today, and I am Townreading her a bit based on her current ISO.

[Wake1]

Wake, while you're at it, can you include a key to the color code?

Spoiler:

NY 180

#368BC1 Glacial Blue Ice
texcat

#FFA62F Cantaloupe
ika

#EDDA74 Goldenrod
ds

#347235 Medium Forest Green
mika

#E8ADAA Rose
egg

#7FFFD4 Aquamarine
artist

#FBB917 Saffron
flubber

#FC6C85 Watermelon Pink
abr

#F3E5AB Vanilla
nika

#8C001A Burgundy
sw

#8AFB17 Chartreuse
tso

#E77471 Light Coral
house

#FFD801 Rubber Ducky Yellow
kc

#4E387E Purple Haze
garmr

#FF2400 Scarlet
anen

#7D0541 Plum Pie
delta

#8A4117 Sienna
shiro

#008080 Teal
elusive

#B4CFEC Pastel Blue
dave

[Wake1]

Scattershot

(texcat)

———✹[/color]

Out of curiosity, why are you voting for Garmr?

(ika)

———✹[/color]

Glancing at 216, is buddying part of your Scum-game?

(dragonspawn)

———✹[/color]

A deeper justification for voting texcat would be helpful.

(Mikazuki)

———✹[/color]

You needn't be shy, Mikazuki.

(Egg)

———✹[/color]

My desire to not be read is found throughout most of my latest games.

(artistincompre)

———✹[/color]

Are you alive?

(Flubbernugget)

———✹[/color]

Why do you focus on House?

(Albert B. Rampage)

———✹[/color]

I like 166; more, please.

(Nikanor)

———✹[/color]

I know you asked nicely, but it's not so huge as you say.

(Silverwolf)

———✹[/color]

A flutter of curiosity struck me with your 206.

(T S O)

———✹[/color]

Is your Aneninen vote still set?

(House)

———✹[/color]

I don't fully understand your shift from dragonspawn to Aneninen.

(KlingonCelt)

———✹[/color]

Knowing you are a force in these games, your presence is desired.

(Garmr)

———✹[/color]

If you have a case, you should bring it—I'll tear it apart.

(Aneninen)

———✹[/color]

Would you succinctly tell me how you feel about House and SIlverwolf?

(deltawave)

———✹[/color]

Please post more. We like when people are social.

(Shiro)

———✹[/color]

If you had a Lynch List with three slots, would Egg or Garmr be on it?

(elusive)

———✹[/color]

Not sure how worthy Nikanor really is of being voted currently.

(davesaz)

———✹[/color]

Could we have more of your thoughts on the other players, please?

[Wake1]

I think I've played a game with Nikonor in the distant past but that's about it. I don't really know anyone here well enough to say.

Wake88, do you post on any other forums? Your username is familiar

My real username is

Wake

, and I have frequented other forums at my leisure.

But enough about me. I'd like to know more about you. I'm going to want to dredge out information from you, so that I may better understand who exactly you are here.

You voted for Silverwolf in 195, but you provided nothing of value as to

why

you did so. With reason or feeling... an ability to articulate them... you will be convincing no one. Using 'gut reaction' as an excuse is not good enough. Feelings in these games matter, but you must be able to at least try to explain them, or express the nature and level of those feelings. For example, I feel you're being brash and arrogant, and is a front for your naivete and sheer inexperience in Mafia. I am not impressed one bit but, if you're willing to learn, I'm willing to speak

with

you about how to better play Mafia in general.

If your faulty certainty isn't an act, I suggest you stop doing that immediately, and start playing more cautiously and wisely. Should you be Town, making stupid, rash judgments is nothing but a boon for the Scum. Show prudence. Be shrewd.

How long have you been playing? I may be able to point you in the right direction, so that, if you are interested, you can play better in the future.

[Wake1]

Did you ever post on a website called PersonalityCafe?

No.

[Wake1]

I have no problem with elusive's quiz.

What I do hope, though, is that she will branch out and wade into this game further.

[Wake1]

Flubber bores me, and davesaz is no better.

Somebody with something interesting to say, please engage me.

Sure.

So what have you done so far this game, and what's been on your mind?

[Wake1]

Silverwolf, does it mean anything that Garmr abruptly changed his focus away from me?

[Wake1]

Flubber bores me, and davesaz is no better.

Somebody with something interesting to say, please engage me.

Sure.

So what have you done so far this game, and what's been on your mind?

A whole lot of nothing, and FFXI.

So far, there's been nothing worth doing here.

Your blade is sharper than this.

Why not take a stab at someone and see how they bleed?

Should you be Town, I'm sure you're curious to learn who is who.

Roughly, who are you current three Scumspects and why?

[Wake1]

Flubber bores me, and davesaz is no better.

Somebody with something interesting to say, please engage me.

Sure.

So what have you done so far this game, and what's been on your mind?

A whole lot of nothing, and FFXI.

So far, there's been nothing worth doing here.

Your blade is sharper than this.

Why not take a stab at someone and see how they bleed?

Should you be Town, I'm sure you're curious to learn who is who.

Roughly, who are you current three Scumspects and why?

You'd be surprised at how curious I'm not when there's nothing to arouse my curiosity.

At the moment, I'd say Aneninenineninen, Nikanor, and texcat are on my radar.

I think I've already said why on Anen.

I like the pushes on Nikanor, and not so crazy about their posts.

texcat is flying under the radar. She's the least suspicious of the three, but moreso than the nulls.

Which three do you least suspect?

There are many things that pique my interest this game.

Ika's vote, Garmr's turnabout, elusive's quiz, deltawave's misplays...

Even if you are the Serial Killer, you should have something interesting to latch your focus on.

Bounce some more ideas off me, why don't you?

[Wake1]

@Wake-Who are you scumreading right now?

I'm thinking Garmr at the moment. He tried gunning for me, then I turned about to face him and he turned away. What does that mean?

There are feelings of trepidation regarding certain other players here, but nothing with any real weight attached to it. T S O can be a powerful Town player. I have not seen much from him yet, and would like to see more.

I also feel that some players are unwilling to engage me head-on, which makes me feel like I'm going to be killed. I am a catalyst, and I want players to engage.

[Wake1]

I like both of you quite a bit, and you make the games I play in more enjoyable.

[Wake1]

@Wake-Who are you scumreading right now?

I'm thinking Garmr at the moment. He tried gunning for me, then I turned about to face him and he turned away. What does that mean?

There are feelings of trepidation regarding certain other players here, but nothing with any real weight attached to it. T S O can be a powerful Town player. I have not seen much from him yet, and would like to see more.

I also feel that some players are unwilling to engage me head-on, which makes me feel like I'm going to be killed. I am a catalyst, and I want players to engage.

So you think if players ignore you in these games, that means they are scum who are going to kill you at night or try to lynch you or.....................

What do you think of deltawave?

Non.

That is not what I said.

I said that I feel that some players are unwilling to engage me head-on, which makes me feel like I'm going to be killed. What I'm meaning to say is that I like riding the storm, and engaging players directly. Would you be willing to show where I said that those who supposedly ignore me are Scum? If that's not what you're meaning to say, please clarify it.

[Wake1]

Nobody Special, please put me down on Limited Access for the next four days. By no means am I out of this game, and I will contribute as I can gather my thoughts. The hospital I am working at is experiencing a staffing shortage, and they have asked me to cover for them.

[Wake1]

Dammit.

Nobody Special, please put me down on Limited Access for the next four days. By no means am I out of this game, and I will contribute as I can gather my thoughts. The hospital I am working at is experiencing a staffing shortage, and they have asked me to cover for them.

[Wake1]

Wakes 251 scatter shot would be a lot better if it was a focus shot in my opinion.

Game's still inexplicably young.

That I fired a Scattershot in no way means I can't or won't fire a Focused Shot, either.

And to be frank, the lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of sheep.

Now I'm just being cheeky.

PEDIT:

I'm not buddying you, Silverwolf. I like you in general, and am pleased that both you and House—as well as others—accepted the invitation. If I WERE Scum, you can bet your bottom I'd buddy the ever-loving snark out of you—up to and including salted caramel treats and sweet nothings. I am a devilish angel and you

cannot

ever

be certain of my intentions. I will tell you that I like you, enjoy your presence, and—in this game at least—not Scum at all.

[Wake1]

PEDIT:

I'm not buddying you, Silverwolf. I like you in general, and am pleased that both you and House—as well as others—accepted the invitation. If I WERE Scum, you can bet your bottom I'd buddy the ever-loving snark out of you—up to and including salted caramel treats and sweet nothings. I am a devilish angel and you

cannot

ever

be certain of my intentions. I will tell you that I like you, enjoy your presence, and—in this game at least—not Scum at all.

But you complimenting me repeatedly and giving me a townread is not buddying but just being friendly right?

Yer darn right!

[Wake1]

Wake what do you think of ika and his sk question?

Eh.

If he's Town, shouldn't he be more concerned trying to find the Mafia? It just strikes me that Mafia moreso than Town would be sniffing about for the Serial Killer. And if that SK knows what's good for him or he, that person would be Scumhunting with the rest of us Town first and foremost.

PEDIT:

I'm not buddying you, Silverwolf. I like you in general, and am pleased that both you and House—as well as others—accepted the invitation. If I WERE Scum, you can bet your bottom I'd buddy the ever-loving snark out of you—up to and including salted caramel treats and sweet nothings. I am a devilish angel and you

cannot

ever

be certain of my intentions. I will tell you that I like you, enjoy your presence, and—in this game at least—not Scum at all.

But you complimenting me repeatedly and giving me a townread is not buddying but just being friendly right?

Yer darn right!

Good, because having been the victim of scum buddying and manipulation too many times, I'm building up a strong immunity to it. Friendliness however, I am always open to. And thanks.

You're very welcome, Silverwolf.

[Wake1]

I am online, if only briefly (bed within 20 minutes).

The USMB drama is uncalled for and shouldn't be happening. Regardless of alignment I think it's completely unnecessary. Gotta be honest.

Note this:

I'm going to start writing some stuff up with the intention of typing and posting it when I am able to.

Going through a very busy part of my life right now, and am taking more and more steps towards my goals in life.

Don't count me out of this game. I'm heavily modifying the way I participate in games in accordance with strict time constraints. Adaptability is the word, I guess.

[Wake1]

Wolfie, don't let this kinda stuff get to you.

This is nothing compared other things.

You should not let your cage be rattled so easily. Ignore it.

If anything, this reinforces my gut feeling that you're Town. If I could put words to it, it doesn't feel so much as angry like your perceived Scum meta, but a feeling of hurt exasperation. If someone is hurting you in a game, as in trying to get under your skin and make you rage, stick instead to building relationships with the other players that are more receptive. Avoid talking with those players that piss you off. Speak to others who you are confident won't betray your emotions in that way. Obviously you don't know whether I am Town or Scum, and my words carry weight. Regardless of alignment, look at me, and focus on the game. Let's talk. Honestly, even if I were Scum this game, I have a tender spot in my soul for you, and though I would have to hide my alignment from you, I'd still treat you gently and not try to go out of my way to hurt you. If that makes sense, then great. Thankfully I'm Town, and my most favoritest kind of Townie role which leaves me no reason to hold back on anyone.

Gonna come back soon. Remember what I told you Wolfie, please.

[Wake1]

No one can insult Wolf. No one can suggest Wolf isn't Town. No one can vote for Wolf.

Everyone certainly can and, if kept civil, I don't see why anyone should be beyond reproach in Mafia of all games.

Simply put, no one's confirmed Town at this point.

[Wake1]

Do you know how old Wolf is??? I won't tell you other than to say that she's way too fukkin' old to be acting like a spoiled tween.

Please don't do this.

This helps no one.

[Wake1]

Do you know how old Wolf is???

She is REDACTED.

Unvote, Silverwolf

Okay, let's see where this goes.

Posting personal information of another user without their permission is prohibited by site rules. ~~NS

You shifting your focus from me to her feels opportunistic.

I do not like it. You point your blade back towards me, ABR.

[Wake1]

I think KC is more calculated and serious in these games. Sort of like the Texas Holdem player you don't want to mess with.

Silverwolf is a bit more emotional, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and she's an active and helpful force when Town, and there have been times where she pawed at Scum more often than not but needed to take it further.

KC, from what I remember from the other site, has very good instincts. She may remember more than I do how she sniffed out Scum rather early.

Wolfie, if Town, is really, really good to play with if you are nice to her. She and KC both are solid players to play with if you're all Town. Sometimes their unique personalities clash and, if I could have things my way, I'd like to not see that happen.

And let's not even get started on House, FA_Q2, and dragonspawn. I'd like to see AyeCantSeeYou migrate over here, too, and Skybird has been about a few times.

[Wake1]

I think the best thing SW can do right now is play to her strengths.

Minimize your weaknesses.

You're active as hell and honest, and you make no bones about getting into discussion and have been building up a health resistance to buddying.

You need to have more confidence in yourself. I know you're good at this game, and can take it even further.

[Wake1]

Don't quit, SW. Regardless of our alignments you do have a support network. The experience you get in Large games is precious, and a lot of us from the main site are here. Please don't walk away when you have friends here who like having you around.

[Wake1]

I think KC is more calculated and serious in these games. Sort of like the Texas Holdem player you don't want to mess with.

Silverwolf is a bit more emotional, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and she's an active and helpful force when Town, and there have been times where she pawed at Scum more often than not but needed to take it further.

KC, from what I remember from the other site, has very good instincts. She may remember more than I do how she sniffed out Scum rather early.

Wolfie, if Town, is really, really good to play with if you are nice to her. She and KC both are solid players to play with if you're all Town. Sometimes their unique personalities clash and, if I could have things my way, I'd like to not see that happen.

And let's not even get started on House, FA_Q2, and dragonspawn. I'd like to see AyeCantSeeYou migrate over here, too, and Skybird has been about a few times.

Is Skybird Cafe? Cafe's very smart.

Shaitra. I'd like to see Cafe come over, too. We should invite Aye and Cafe over. Maybe Sameech too?

[Wake1]

Have to agree with ika atm.

We should be doing everything we can to keep players from replacing out (especially if they're good and fun).

[Wake1]

KC, there's 4 Mafia Goons, and SK, a Cop, a Doc, and the rest VTs.

[Wake1]

And, reading the OP again, the SK is apparently immune to investigation.

The Serial Killer should reveal his or herself, be leashed under Town's control, and function as a Vigilante along with being protected by the Doctor.

The SK's chances of coming out on top this game are slim, so you might as well reveal yourself right now.

[Wake1]

With Silverwolf's departure a policy lynch is no longer warranted, because an essential element required to keep that specific conflict going has unfortunately left.

[Wake1]

im not only doing a plocy lynch on her egg im calling her the sk.

you miss the fine lines

You know that I'm not the SK. You know that I'm not Scum.

How so?

[Wake1]

So far what I see between klingoncelt and SW is female drama. Nothing more, nothing less.

This issue is bothering me to the degree that I want to illustrate what a policy lynch on a players actions should be based off of.

Spoiler: Off-Topic Question

Since you are a female making a rather peculiar statement, how would you describe the differences in female drama and male drama? PLease use colorful description for the sake of humor.

[Wake1]

The game was hurt, but it can heal from this point on.

I'll dismantle any attempt to force a policy lynch.

[Wake1]

KC, it would be in your best interest in this game if you tempered your words.

(If you're Town, you don't want to piss off other players who might be Town!)

[Wake1]

Shut the hell up.

You, too, need to pipe down and chill.

Scum wants us to be at each other's throats.

You're all making this too easy for them.

Just stop it. NOW. Let's get back on track.

[Wake1]

Klingoncelt should back away from the thread for a bit for that to happen.

The main person she was in conflict with is no longer here.

If KC is WiseTown she'll soften her tongue and be nice.

When you're forced to work is half-crazed people the last thing you want to do is get them riled up and raging mad.

God if I were Jigsaw I'd incorporate this shit into my designs.

Ya'll need to let this cool down. Take a break. We got time.

[Wake1]

Wake's not loyal to friendship and higher values.

You had better take that back.

Before you speak one more word, I suggest you thoroughly understand what you're trying to talk about before you put finger to keyboard.

[Wake1]

There's no merit to the KC wagon.

Not much then, certainly none now.

It does seem opportunistic, or maybe that's what Scum wants us to think...?

[Wake1]

*Under the gun with life issues.

[Wake1]

I think Mafia would become far more engaging if we stopped using the word 'Scummy' as a net for anything we don't feel comfortable with, and instead used our own vocabularies to better articulate what exactly it is we are feeling about one another.

[Wake1]

Who's your biggest scum read, and why?

I don't know. There are some things I would say but I can't at the moment because of the rules.

Some players I

am

more paranoid of than others, with good reason. Also, I deal with memory stuff.

When you fill the brain with a lot of 'X' information, you have less space for 'Y' information. I've been putting an extraordinary amount of time and effort into learning pharmacological drugs, everything revolving around traumatic brain injuries, and becoming well-steeped in the knowledge, experience, and wisdom of what it is to be working as a healthcare professional in a hospital setting. When you are learning to distinguish the differences between Dilantin and Diflucan, it becomes more difficulty to put time towards analyzing, understanding, and retaining the differences between this one player and that.

Or maybe my brain is just small.

I can provide a list of who particularly struck me as off at one time or another during this game, but I won't be able to remember it. What I can say is that I have fluid intelligence, and can work effectively on puzzles if they're presented to me or within easy reach. If I have to dig, re-dig, re-re-dig, forget, and re-dig into over 2,500 posts, I simply cannot do that because life is making that completely impossible. If I did not have goals, responsibilities, or need of money, i would be here very often.

[Wake1]

If aneninen is scum, why would his reads matter at all?

If Aneninen were scum, his reads would certainly matter if he flipped, because they could then be used towards the process of elimination.

For example, if he were Townreading a handful of players for four Days, and he were lynched Day 5 and two of those players he Townread were dead and flipped Scum, it may be worth applying scrutiny towards the rest of those players.

[Wake1]

I'm telling it later. As I said, in 1 or 2 RL days. Maybe earlier.

To be frank I don't see the point in keeping things from Town.

[Wake1]

I have "pings" right now an if I told them, that would change certain players' forthcoming posts. Is that clear?

I don't see why you should have anything to be worried about.

If you're Town, why wouldn't you be sharing your honest views without fear of criticism or change?

You should be voicing your concerns sooner rather than later.

[Wake1]

An analogy would be a reaction test. If the target knows they're being reaction tested, the test itself becomes useless.

It still seems dubious to me, because calling it a reaction test sounds like an easy fall-back reason for not revealing information, or delaying it. I'd like to hear from Aneninen himself if he is actually performing a reaction test or not (if he didn't say so earlier, I don't know what to make of you dave speaking on his behalf).

[Wake1]

If I say I have a reason, I have a reason. I extend others the courtesy of accepting their statement that they have a reason. I do this regardless of who it is or what the circumstances are.
There are some obvious exceptions, like if I have a strong scum on someone already.

I tend to scum read people who ignore other's requests to shut the hell up.

While I can appreciate that sentiment, we are also playing a game that includes people who must deceive the rest of us in order to win. Whether the withheld reason is of a town or Scum alignment we don't know. As Town, I see no reason whatsoever to keep information from the rest of the town. If he is Town, I think a better approach would been him holding onto the information and saying nothing, rather than saying he has thoughts on some people, but won't share them until a set period of time. I'm not sure who and what you're meaning by your last sentence. Frankly the people I envision as Town are those who are upfront, honest, and unafraid of any sort of criticism, because we Townies have nothing to hide.

[Wake1]

Why is what seems to be very non-critical to the game state of such importance to you?

Do you consider the withholding of information to be a non-critical thing, Flubbernugget?

[Wake1]

If aneninen is scum, why would his reads matter at all?

If Aneninen were scum, his reads would certainly matter if he flipped, because they could then be used towards the process of elimination.

For example, if he were Townreading a handful of players for four Days, and he were lynched Day 5 and two of those players he Townread were dead and flipped Scum, it may be worth applying scrutiny towards the rest of those players.

This truly sounds like craplogic to me. Theory shenanigans to follow.

Especially since some were already flipped as scum in your example. Why would a scum automatically townread all his scumbuddies, like your logic here dictates?

Now to me it just seems like a list from a scum is going to end up being a red herring, as their whole ploy is to mislead the town.

I meant 'flipped Town,' not Scum.

[Wake1]

I'm keeping my eye on Wake and House. They make me nervous because they beat me with their scum hydra in our last game together. I'm trying to keep them separate but they seem to blend because of the hydra as well as their avatars.

If memory serves, I was barely a part of that hydra, due to time constraints.

[Wake1]

So what exactly are you nervous about?

[Wake1]

Perhaps nervous is the wrong word. I'm wary of you and House for fooling me before. I'm wary of you because you don't seem to be scum hunting, or don't seem to be scum hunting up to your ability. You and House are both on my watch list.

I've not been scum hunting to the best of my abilities because I'm working 86+ hours a week in an acute-care hospital for patients with traumatic brain injuries and/or behavioral issues, studying for my AACBIS exam, and making continuous preparations for re-entry into the registered nursing program. Are you wary of me because I am busy?

[Wake1]

Doing what I can with the time provided. I will be on my feet and working hard 7am-7:30pm tomorrow, Friday, Saturday. Sunday I believe I have off. Physically and mentally exhausted. Saw an older patient's pinky toe fall off and a bleeding socket when it was bumped against a door edge. An Incident Report was filed, and I have yet another serious hospital experience under my belt. Traumatic brain injuries and everything about them, from tardive dyskinesia to necrotizing fasciitis to status epilepticus (all I've witnessed personally) is fascinating. Will be viewing a brain surgery live next week to put in a shunt to divert hydrocephalus due to a TBI. I truly enjoy Mafia, and for this game I'm going to need a bit of help and patience from others to get into it. Game's complicated as heck and I'll be able to get better footing once we have actual stuff to work with like flips and associatives.

[Wake1]

I don't think, at this moment, I buy Aneninen being Scum because he's been engaging this game quite a bit. However, I don't have much knowledge of his meta. He is in my Townreads for now.

[Wake1]

I don't think, at this moment, I buy Aneninen being Scum because he's been engaging this game quite a bit. However, I don't have much knowledge of his meta. He is in my Townreads for now.

That's incredibly weak & makes me paranoid of you.

I don't understand this.

I've only read a little of this game, and only once, with few parts of it more than once. I do not have the time to reread this game thread multiple times. If you think it's weak for me to have a Townread on Aneninen this game then please enlighten me as to why and please better inform me on the state of this current game.

[Wake1]

I don't think, at this moment, I buy Aneninen being Scum because he's been engaging this game quite a bit. However, I don't have much knowledge of his meta. He is in my Townreads for now.

That's incredibly weak & makes me paranoid of you.

I don't understand this.

I've only read a little of this game, and only once, with few parts of it more than once. I do not have the time to reread this game thread multiple times. If you think it's weak for me to have a Townread on Aneninen this game then please enlighten me as to why and please better inform me on the state of this current game.

I'm not saying townreading Anen is necessarily weak, just your stated reason for doing so.

You keep leaning on your unwillingness to read the entire thread. That's fine. But if you're going to make a declaration of alignment, the least you could do is ISO that person and read the posts & surrounding interactions.

"They're town cuz they post a lot" is terrible logic.

But I didn't say that, and if it sounded that way I didn't mean it that way. Aneninen is providing a lot of links and being factual like I tend to be when able to thoroughly engage. I guess I Townread him this game because I'm seeing a bit of my own Towngame in his posts.

[Wake1]

I like how wake ignores what i said

I'm spread thin at the moment and am in more than one game. Please link to which post, ika.

Not to mention, you're usually proud of being unable to read, and if you had such an easily fleshed out town game, you wouldn't be.

FoS: Wake

Are you saying I am usually proud of being unable to read ( ), or saying that I am usually proud of being unable to be read? Part of my Towngame is providing a lot of links (if I have the time and energy to do so), and in general I do Townread people more when they provide a lot of thought, logic, and sources. My Town game, as you ought to know, is not solely based on providing a lot of though, sources, logic, etc. If I have "it," (time and energy), I am typically aggressive and civil, inquiring and firing off shots and providing focused reads (which I would like to start pumping out soon).

Basically I'm severly hampered right now and I'm struggling to

play

. Don't want to replace out of my games because I made commitments.

[Wake1]

Wake or House would be excellent lynches today. I think we should focus on those two.

They are practically the same personality, I can't tell the difference. Stern logical types, serious about scumhunting, both want to be doctors.

I latched onto Wake. Then shortly afterward, House jumped in and said that freeko is "scum as fuck"...but then immediately voted me. When I call him out on this inconsistent behavior, he backpedaled instantly and voted freeko after only a handful of posts. I'm calling it now, Wake and House are scum. House tried clumsily to defend Wake but then backed off once he realized it made no sense.

Now Wake himself is pretty scummy too. We've been in this game for two weeks and the only votes he's made were RVS votes at the start of the game (literally his first two posts.) It's not like he's inactive. I haven't done the math but quickly glancing at the "activity overview" for this game, he's slightly more active than average. Yet all he's doing is making generic comments without taking a stand. He's clearly trying to keep his head down while more dramatic fights are breaking out.

Lynch either of them today but I would prefer Wake.

I know you are not dumb. And I'm not saying you're dumb.

I will say that I have been saying for some time that I am also very busy with work, and cannot get into the game nearly as deeply as other players are. And what you've failed (or refused) to read is that reserving my vote is part of my meta. I'll ease into this game as I am able, and if I have to put myself on indefinite LA then I will. As for the dramatic fights, they're nothing but stupid noise and I don't care for them. They're a distraction and few listen to me when I say ignore it and focus on the game itself. I want to start generating focused reads: I am currently in another 5-day work marathon. If you think that makes me suspicious, then I can't really help you on that.

[Wake1]

Unilaterally going on Limited Access for work-related reasons until 3/13/15

[Wake1]

You gave me an idea, DeltaWave.

Overall site activity of Wake has been checked and his posts about being busy IRL is null.
(It's a pity becuase I've already catched scum by examining this factor.)

I 100% believe Wake when he says that he's busy at work. My problem is that even though he's busy, he's still active, so that's not an excuse for the degree of fence-sitting that he's doing. He's gone around and called people Town plenty of times, which means that he's reading and processing the thread, but he's avoiding calling anyone scum -- which would be controversial and draw attention to him.

Barely.

It's harder for me to call someone Scum Day 1 because we're all dealing with paranoia, and like I said before I really don't like being mislynched or mislynching others. For me to declare someone Scum there would have to have been a mistake made by Scum, otherwise I'd just be being overconfident with the speculation. As it is right now we have 0% data from flips, and 100% speculation. I've skimmed some of the thread, but have not been able to summon up the time and focus to truly analyze and retain all of the complicated information.

[Wake1]

Sigh. Any bandwagon is instantly met with suspicion and opposition.

Vote: Delta

Anyone want to vote for either Delta or Nikanor? Let's make some kind of bandwagon, I'm losing my mind here.

Eh, not really feeling it.

When it comes to Scumhunting I primarily look for any kind of hyperbole, and also when players try to take my words out of context. I have caught Scum on at least two occasions dead-on when they've tried to do the latter with me. I've also caught Scum when they try to manipulate me into casting my vote towards a mislynch which, despite my knowledge now of how Scum has tried this, it feels like Scum still tries to do so. Hence fuel towards reservation.

[Wake1]

How frustratingly tame.

You would prefer me tame.

[Wake1]

The long and short of it is pretty simple. I have a certain degree of intelligence and personality. The issue is that this game's just a pea on my plate. If I'm Town you'll want me around. If I'm Scum, you've got a problem. Understandably, at first glance, that sounds like self-aggrandizement, but it's the truth, and the seven years I've played where I've only been lynched as Scum twice adds credence towards it.

At the moment I am in the hospital, and caring for a patient under Intense Supervision. This affords me the opportunity to use their Wi-Fi on my laptop at certain times. I'm working on a Focused Read of texcat. I do have a decent amount of intellectual energy, but it needs to be focused, like lens for light. Otherwise I struggle. Obviously, if I'm Scum—and intelligent Scum at that, believing me will likely prove difficult. It's a known fact that I dislike being read, and that when I am afforded time to play most of my movements are deliberate. There's usually a reason for everything I do in these games, no matter how benign (now I'm just being cocky ).

I'm going to put an emphasis on Focused Reads, because it will help me get back into this game more easily. Those who have been patient with me I am grateful for. I'll be working on the hospital floor again tomorrow.

[Wake1]

Wake, why Tex?

Currently, she is the easiest one to create a Focused Read on, because she has the fewest posts of the original players. Others have over 100 posts, and I would rather focus on those later, because they would require far more time to complete. (I've been asked this same kind of question before in past games: maybe I should type up a disclaimer)

[Wake1]

Wake:

Post 1584 - I'm WAAAY too busy to come up with any scumreads, so I'll just continue posting without really contributing anything.

Post 1819 - I'm so useful and town-sided so you idiots better not lynch me! I still don't have any scumreads even though it's been weeks and I have 82 posts in this thread, but I promise that I'm going to read one user's post history and consider him!!!

Dear god.

You should probably stop with the anti-Town behavior before it catches up to you.

[Wake1]

I post according to my schedule. Not yours or anyone else's.

Thanks to the draft function here, I've been typing up a quality read.

Please don't rush me. That will help nobody.

[Wake1]

That's an odd reply from someone who wanted everyone to vote someone before he got a chance to put together what he's said in a couple posts is a thorough content laden post. Wanting to silence someone is what got you my vote, in case you missed that. Care to comment?

He's had plenty of time.

You

do not decide that.

[Wake1]

I don't commit to wagons Day 1.

It's painfully obvious why.

No flips or associations to be made based on solid facts.

Give me a flip.

One

flip. That is what I need. Give me something to work with.

[Wake1]

texcat

(13) | (1824)

What We Know

Texcat voted for

Garmr

in 36. She insinuated in 95 that

ika

's 56 is something Scum would do. Even though she did, she said that she didn't vote in 164; in that same post she mentions that it's Scum's job to find power roles, whereas it's Town's job to discover alignments. Furthermore texcat expressed concern regarding

elusive

's bonus question, because she appears to suspect that

elusive

may be Scum trying to decide who to kill first. Fluffed in 167, makes two brief comments to

elusive

and

Garmr

, and fluffs again in 253. She reiterates her concern about the bonus question in 385, and mentions that

elusive

's subtle changes in her reasons for asking those questions bother her. Texcat also feels doubtful about

elusive

's Town-meta, expresses distrust towards it, and casts a vote against her. In 389 in response to

Nikanor

she is suspicious of

elusive

and adds that it is never wise to trust someone when they say they are bad Scum.

She implies

ika

is rolefishing and promptly casts a vote against him (583). Emoticon in 585. Says she's trying not to Townread anyone because she's usually wrong and it usually gets her into trouble. Appears to take issue with

elusive

's comment in 799, and goes on V/LA in 1002. Texcat then votes

Klingoncelt

in 1083, and questions

elusive

's comment about her play being different from past games.

1442 sees her mention that she doesn't have anyone fixed as Town in her mind yet, but that she won't vote for

Davesaz

,

Egg

,

Aneninen

, and

Drixx

—she's not getting a Scummy read on

Flubbernugget

, either. Is also keeping an eye on me and

House

, because we beat her as a hydra in a past game, but my posts there only comprised about 5% of them. There, my voice was barely above a whisper. In that same post, she also casts a vote against

elusive

. With 1443, she's willing to wait with lynching the

Klingoncelt

slot until a replacement is found, but does express some interest in lynching it, because there would be enough posts to garner enough information from its flip.

Though acknowledging in 1446 that I was only a rare part of the Scum-hydra that deceived her, she says that I still make her feel nervous (come here and give me a big hug ). 1478, 1484, 1531, and 1543 is her and

elusive

fighting back and forth, as well as part of 1653. She also insinuates in that last post that if she weren't stuck in

elusive

's tunnel she'd move on to me, and she's Townreading

House

because in her words he's pissing people off at every opportunity. 1661 and 1663 contains more fighting with

elusive

.

Pros and Cons

⌘

Has been aggressively questioning others.

⌘

Texcat questioned elusive's bonus question.

⌘

Appears genuinely paranoid of other players.

⌘

Texcat has primarily focused on elusive this game.

⌘

Made ika's 95 sound like it was actually serious.

⌘

Mentions she's trying not to townread people (793).

⌘

Didn't answer my 251 seriously.

How I'm Reading This

I don't particularly care for how she voted for Garmr early on, because it's undoubtedly not a serious vote, and as such shouldn't be taken seriously. Didn't like her 95 one bit because she took a comment that was obviously not serious and made it sound as if it was: so, why? Why would you even try doing that, texcat, when you knew it wasn't serious? Her comment in 164 felt like truthiness, in that she's stating things that are generally true, but as Scum she's saying them to look Town. I distinctly remember Belisarius doing this as Scum, and at that point on it left an impression in my mind as something to really watch out for, because it is so subtle and odious. One thing that made me feel better about her slot is when she questioned elusive's bonus question, because it did sort of feel like she was looking for power roles. Of course, as Scum she could emulate that sentiment, but for now I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for at least showing some reservation there.

Fluff in general I don't like but, hey, this is Mafia and a large game at that, so people ought to be able to laugh and have fun from time to time. Though now we know that elusive was an immature Townie, I still think there was merit in texcat's comments about elusive's subtle changes in her reasons for asking questions, and I don't think there's any good reason to delve into the further. What I do feel is worth noting is how texcat had been focusing on elusive for so much of the game. It's almost as if it gave her a reason to not have to focus much if at all on anyone else. When I analyzed her post, a lot of her exchanges were about elusive. I don't know if tunneling is something Scum-texcat would do. In fact, I don't think I've ever played with texcat as Scum. Her exchange in 583 piqued my interest a bit, because she implied that ika was rolefishing... but my eyes see him crumbing being a Doctor, and if he's doing what I think he's doing (trying to draw the NK) then I townread him for it. Granted, texcat could simply be paranoid Town and being hyper-observant, so I don't know how exactly to read that bit of exchange. Any thoughts or ideas there would be helpful, please.

When she says she's trying not to Townread anyone because she's usually wrong and it gets her into trouble I, eh, I don't know how I feel about that. In a way it's similar to how I try not to Scumread players Day 1 because we've got nothing but spec, but she says she does it because she fears getting into trouble. But as Town, you shouldn't be afraid of "getting into trouble." Rather your voice be heard than be silent and the Town be in trouble for it later on. People are gonna be wrong more often than they are right in Mafia and, in my opinion, it's easier to Townread people in general than Scumread them (if you're more interested in being accurate). I can't really blame her for feeling that way, but I can't praise her for it, either. I will further pin her down and put her under a microscope, to better understand her and the motives behind her feelings, and she will either come through my inspection unscathed, or I will inevitably take her down or die in the process. Her vote on KC in 1083

could

be opportunistic, but then again anyone's vote on her or SW during that drama could. I would like to better understand why she said elusive's gameplay was different from past games (as in what

exactly

), even though it is post-mortem.

One thing that troubles me is how she says she has no one as Town in her mind... but there are four players she won't vote for. It doesn't make sense to say how you have no one as Town, but you do have players you will not vote for yet. If you don't have anyone set as Town, then everyone else's heads should be on the chopping black and susceptible to being voted. Or am I completely wrong on this? Her nervousness of me from my point of view is justified, because as Scum I can be a nightmare. Then again, if she think I have an ego, and if she is Scum, she could be putting on a facade and trying to placate my ego and making it seem as if she's just a nervous, quibble, stuttering Townie. Sort of like Professor Quirrell in the first Harry Potter movie. Yeah, like that. Again, I don't know what Scum-texcat looks like. If anyone

does

know, now would be the time to speak up. If anything, she should be far more nervous of House, because obviously he is far, far more insidious than I am. She should fear him more than me, if she's trying to use our past hydra as an excuse to be 'nervous' of us. I was barely part of that hydra, so she really needs to clarify her feelings there, or I will rip and tear at her until she tells us exactly why and how she came to those feelings. And one thing you must know if you are to know me, is that I do not stop, and will not stop, because I will know the truth, and I will have it from you until you give it up or one of us is dead. Being Town grants me certain freedoms, like being selfless and aggressive, so if you spill blood in the water I will come for you with good reason.

Regarding elusive's town-flip—and this is before Night 1's resolution—my suspicion that elusive and texcat were teammates has evaporated. As for her focus on elusive, I do not fully understand it, and the game is still undeniably early.

Texcat, why did you primarily focus on elusive Day 1?

And, also, do you feel it's fair to say that? Basically I'm trying to feel out your motives, and better understand what you were doing. I understand that in the past Scum has tried to railroad you into a mislynch, because—and you may feel differently on this—they viewed you as an easy target. What I want to do is give you ample opportunity to explain yourself, because I do have that slight feeling in my gut that Scum is out to use you this game, and if it can be preempted earlier on, the better. Was your fighting with elusive in response to her tunneling you, or were you tunneling her? We know she was Town. From where I sit, part of me feels like you were tunneling her in order to not have to focus much on others, but another part of me feels that if you were Scum you'd focus on someone less vocal and willful, and yet another part of me feels like, in general, you don't engage that much at all.

I want you to explain in detail every reason why you said that, if you weren't stuck in elusive's tunnel, you'd move on to me. I want to know

why

. You will explain this to me by the end of this Day, or you will not be unscathed. That I promise you. So if you are Town, I expect you to do the right thing and engage me both honestly and directly, or suffer the inherent consequences of a man with nothing to lose. You townreading House for his behavior rings true, but it is not enough. Engage me to the best of your abilities, texcat, or I will put you through your paces, and throw you out the window.

Where The Player Stands

Being thorough, I will not ever read someone as explicably Town or Scum Day 1. Hell no. Sans Night 1 aftermath, I'm reading her as leaning Town, and subject to being an easy target by Town, and someone the rest of us Town should (at least a little bit) not be too quick to lynch without thinking it through. Meaning, we question every reason put forth to lynch her. Using her lack of frequent posting against her I will not consider, and instead will place scrutiny down upon those who do try to play that card. If there is anything I can say that I know about texcat, it is that she does not post frequently, and should not be used in gauging her alignment. If, instead, she was posting hundreds of times during Day 1 here, then that'd be something to consider. It wouldn't surprise me if texcat was left alive by Scum, because I suspect that at least one of the four Mafia may know of her meta, and try using it against her. I don't know what her Scumplay looks like. Please help me there. If any of you can add onto my read of her, or feel the need to contradict me, I would have you do it without holding anything back (sans personal insults, please). If you do add some things to this table, please provide a source, whether it be a link or something from personal experience. By the very nature of her play, if she's Town we need to put extra effort into questioning the reasons and motives behind any future attempts to lynch her. And if texcat doesn't feel she's an easy target, might as well have her say so, too.

My read on texcat is subject to change once Night 1 ends.

[Wake1]

Analyzing Drixx flip for associations.

[Wake1]

Drixx

Associations

Processing...

In 795 he's saying he has a hard time believing SW-slot is Scum. Also, he's implying that ika was whiteknighting, if only a little. Also, based on that same post and his vote, I am suddenly having doubts about the KC-slot being Scum. Looks like he did defend me a bit on the RVS vote issue early on, and he also says the attempt to wagon me over it felt contrived to him. He's scumreading KC-slot and Egg, and townreading elusive and ika as firm Town, saying SW-slot is prob-Town... and giving a slight townread on me and House. Elusive flipped Town.

808: For some reason, he's suggesting that we momentarily stop having scumreads on the active players, and instead focus on those who haven't been posting much. ...why? Why at that time? Also noticed how Drixx seemed to be asking ABR if he had any reasons to be against the KC or Dragon wagons which, to me, feels a bit disconcerting in light of his flip. Also seems to be poking a bit at Shiro, but his motive for doing that I can't tell for sure, because he could either be trying to imply Shiro isn't posting enough so as to cast doubt on Shiro, or if Drixx is hinting at Shiro to start engaging the game more because they're teammates. F***, I don't know.

He knowingly took advantage of the KC/SW drama in 891. And in 947 he's asking Shiro why he's trying to scare people away from voting for Shiro. Huh. Kinda looks like he's trying to dump suspicion on ika for his reaction to the KC/SW drama, too, when in reality he was Scum taking advantage of it himself. He's also suggesting that KC hard-slipped being SK, and that Shiro hasn't really done much, and then Drixx says, with bolded font, that he notices he himself is confused. I don't get it. Again he's implying that KC is the SK. Looks like he's either hunting for the SK, or trying to railroad a Townie. And yet again, he reacts to the KC wagon by saying it feels 'really wrong' how people are trying to scare other people off or away from said wagon. Makes me thing the KC-slot isn't Mafia-aligned.

Makes a jab at ika in 952.

Now he's saying in 965 that he originally thought it was an SK slip, but now he says that with all the whiteknighting going on on her behalf, he's implying that the slip was fake.

He liked House's 990 in 991, and wanted both KC and SW gone. Since he's Scum, would he want both of them gone if either of those two were his teammates? If not, then perhaps it could be said that both of them are more than likely not part of his team...?

Note in 1190 him FOS'ing ABR, and pouring suspicion on him. His 1246 has him voting ABR because ABR said freeko is scum. Is that called chainsawing? Whether genuine or borne of deceit, he then slams KC and delivers as vote in 1254. He is

really

taking advantage of that drama.



*I'm getting exhausted.
**Wanting to know who Drixx has mentioned the least thus far, and those he townread the most.

[Wake1]

V/LA until 3/17/15.

[Wake1]

EDIT: I was just cancelled today (hospital randomly cancels CNAs/RNs if their patient census is too low).

So, I unexpectedly have off today. Will be contributing further soon.

[Wake1]

Yeah, Wake's post was a lot of words and energy spent for a weak maybe town read on a player not being discussed much. I'd love to know after 84 pages where he stands on everyone else.

I'm now opting to keep my posts very brief, because the time and energy put into my big posts get taken for granted.

Not worth the effort if I'm not even going to get good feedback. I'll be looking over the latest pages soon.

[Wake1]

Ika PR fishes as town.

And if he's Town, he needs to stop doing that.

[Wake1]

I am voting Anen. You sheeped it. Anen has not replied to our votes.

Klingon is most likely town based on gut vca again.

Have you gleaned anything from Drixx's associations?

I'd also like to hear from you how you reached that read on KC-slot.

[Wake1]

Anyone else feeling like Dramonic should talk more?

[Wake1]

Anen is the only major wagon Drixxx seemed to avoid.

If you think it merits further discussion, by all means please bring something to the table.

[Wake1]

vote: wake

Hey a little xplanation about that?

Another thing: what are those naked Wake votes?

I for one would like to know.

[Wake1]

Ika PR fishes as town.

And if he's Town, he needs to stop doing that.

Ika's town game is the most antitown thing until you get it...which I only do when I am drunk.

Are you fairly certain this is his Town game?

[Wake1]

Dramonic is flying under the radar.

[Wake1]

And it'd help if Shiro, ABR, Flubber, and texcat had more to say.

I forgot pisskop was in this game.

[Wake1]

are you calling me scum?

I don't know what you are, but I'm bound to find out eventually.

[Wake1]

Unvote, vote ika

So, let's discuss how ika's vote has more weight than freeko's, please.

[Wake1]

I am Scumreading dramonic at the moment.

And I'm still waiting on DeltaWave to whine about it, but all I'm hearing so far from him on that is silence.

[Wake1]

Yeah, Wake's post was a lot of words and energy spent for a weak maybe town read on a player not being discussed much. I'd love to know after 84 pages where he stands on everyone else.

I'm now opting to keep my posts very brief, because the time and energy put into my big posts get taken for granted.

Not worth the effort if I'm not even going to get good feedback. I'll be looking over the latest pages soon.

So why was it worth the effort to put up a big post for a weak town read you couldn't even commit to on Tex?

The playstyle in general wasn't worth it here, because I didn't have the time and it wasn't enjoyable. You like spending five days typing up a post in your spare time and then have it basically spat on? Yeah no.

Nope. Nope nope nope. I'll only direct energy towards singular players if I feel they'll be receptive, or if they are asking for it genuinely.

[Wake1]

ika's hardcore lynchbait.

Source?

[Wake1]

Must have missed your vote sorry. However not sheeping. Look at my ISO for proof.

I think Titus is probably town. I am guessing from the praise of Titus's skills that is a good thing?

not really.....

Noted odd response...you are saying it's not good I am town but I am townreading you. :S

i was refering to the praise part titus.

I don't fully understand what you two are getting at.

[Wake1]

vote freeko

Looking at wakes suggesting that drixx was chainsawing for him made me take a closer look. He has been tunnelling abr all game. Abr is an easy target. Every game I've seen him in he is lynched for looking like scum and flips town. Now it's possible that abr is scum this time, but I've yet to see any major real indicators to make me suspicious.

Seems to me that sitting a vote on abr is an easy way to look like you are scum hunting without doing a thing.

Seems like a good place to start hunting today

When players agree with me, I start getting nervous.

[Wake1]

The Davesaz-kill still needs to be explained. If he had been an SK-kill I'd understand it but as a Mafia-kill

seems

to make no sense. But it still happened so it

made

sense for them.

So who'd it be if you decided who was lynched today?

I'd settle on either a dramonic, Garmr, deltawave, or Flubber lynch.

Not liking how I can't seem to remember pisskop and others, either.

[Wake1]

I want to give him space to be one hundred percent certain though.

Like?

[Wake1]

VOTE: The Anen dude

So why exactly are you voting Aneninen again?

[Wake1]

[Wake1]

Did yall miss the part ika claimed doc and then claimed cop?

I'm not moving my vote today.

That's gonna require clarification and quotes, buddy.

[Wake1]

Clearly

you weren't reading my posts Egg, because if you were you would have known that I've been very busy with. I mean, really? You're not dumb, so I don't get what your excuse is for not paying attention, especially when you do have a lot more time for this game than I do.

[Wake1]

Which is why I just said not even 40 posts ago that I gave up on that playstyle, because I don't have the time, the energy, or the satisfaction. Too exhausting, and look at the responses to it.

I need to dig into the game and be active, and I can only do that if I don't post huge walls of text that sap all of my energy.

Now I'm moving towards being far more active with brief, precise posts. I want to have exchanges with players so that I can better read them, instead of spending hours and hours combing through ISOs and analyzing it all so I can squat down and pump out a big, juicy post. No, I'm done with that. I'm throwing off the armor, and now I'm bringing out the swords.

Where are you on dramonic and what do you have to say about DeltaWave's behavior regarding both me and dramonic?

[Wake1]

Good morning all. I'll try to post some tonight after work.

[Wake1]

We should lynch ARS. Then all this alt drama could go away.

If you think we should lynch someone Day 2 because of 'alt drama,' then your reasoning isn't good and in my opinion doesn't come from a Town-viewpoint. We should only be lynching people if we think they're suspicious. To me it seems like you're trying to take advantage of a situation to try and get another player mislynched. Lynching players to end supposed drama (especially Day 2 and on) does not not help Town in the slightest. If you want to get rid of RS, how about you come up with a reasonable case instead?

[Wake1]

House with the easy case. *swish* Town points.

But seriously Id still like to lynch you.

I'm not House, and I expect you to answer me seriously.

[Wake1]

If you want to get rid of RS, how about you come up with a reasonable case instead?

These are typically rhetorical questions. Are you only trying to look town?

So you're going to sit there and be evasive.

Do you have an actual case on RS or not?

[Wake1]

Would also like to point out that wake's activity is dying with his wagon

Hmmm you were saying I was scum yesterday yet you have no hesitations to jump on the wagon I pushed hard yesterday and am on today and you gave no prior indication to as why wake would be scum.

Actually now I look back you dropped your scum read and gave me a town read for no explanation why?

I have town reads on everyone except house, wake, dragonspawn, and dramonic

beause I got into an argument with you and realized I was wrong

Why didn't you say you were wrong.

I never liked how sentences meant to sound like questions lacked the necessary "?" at the end. It always felt hollow to me.

[Wake1]

Getting back into this game slowly (pace is pretty fast).

Today after taxes and eyeglass appointment are done I'll have some time to play.

[Wake1]

Ok, we can lynch ARS after ABR.

Feels like an attempt to line up a lynch.

[Wake1]

Well, ok. Now I'm confused.

[Wake1]

The latest ika/Titus exchange.

You know, if you guys actually gave a damn about Town, you'd at least try to be more clear and concise. If there's one thing I can't stand it's when discussion becomes nothing but a convoluted pile of crap.

[Wake1]

The latest ika/Titus exchange.

You know, if you guys actually gave a damn about Town, you'd at least try to be more clear and concise. If there's one thing I can't stand it's when discussion becomes nothing but a convoluted pile of crap.

no, again you want entitlement and crap. sometimes towns have to play a decption game to the town to get thigns done. me and titus have an extensive hisrtoy that you will never understand. we have enough game with each other that if shes town, i cna legit make her work with towns instead of trying to be strongarmed to her own beleif

you cant tolarate it? too bad, i had to deal with that crap in many of my games. you are not the town leader here nor shall you ever really be. if you were town leaderleadin us then maybe but when your inactive and a lurksack, its going to be real says to jsut shut you donw

Stay classy.

Bemusement aside, if you're Town it makes sense to be clear and concise. Not to mention transparent. If you think there's something we can't understand, you've got time here to make an attempt to explain it. Frankly Tow should never try to deceive members of Town. That's Scum's job, and the repercussions if you're found out to be lying Town are severe. This isn't about me or your jabs trying to make me sound like a town leader. It's about Town and you two at least trying to be transparent. Then again, if you're both Scum, it's not like my words are going to reach you. If you're Town, you should work on your behavior, because as it is right now you're being mildly corrosive.

[Wake1]

[Wake1]

and you run for the exits while defending withholding info as protown.

You are having your cake and eating it too.

Wait a minute. Speaking of having your cake and eating it too, do you or do you not view Town lying to Town as pro-town? You appear to be implying that withholding info isn't pro-town.

[Wake1]

I'm lost in this game right now. Explain to me why I'm stupid

Not directed at you.

[Wake1]

and you run for the exits while defending withholding info as protown.

You are having your cake and eating it too.

Wait a minute. Speaking of having your cake and eating it too, do you or do you not view Town lying to Town as pro-town? You appear to be implying that withholding info isn't pro-town.

It's circumstantially dependent. If you are lying, then look at who would be hurt by the lie. If only scum, go ahead and lie. If town can be hurt, weigh pros and cons.

Or maybe you

shouldn't lie

, because more often than not you get burnt.

[Wake1]

Wrong. Cannot do that until the SK is dead. Otherwise both target the cop.

I will give AP the benefit of the doubt and assume he made a simple mistake.

[Wake1]

I do believe there's a guilty on ABR.

On what basis?

(In the event Titus is lying her ass off, I expect the real Cop to

stay quiet

.)

[Wake1]

It makes sense for the SK to try and kill the Doctor, but going for the cop is dumb as an SK. Like batshit insane levels of dumb.

OK, this does make sense.

Unless, however, Cop claims with results. If SK gets to LyLo he or she can't allow the Cop to stay alive, in light of everyone knowing that the SK is II. If it reached that point the Cop may start having second thoughts, I think?

[Wake1]

The tunnel is strong, wrong, and Titus has taken too many hits of the bong.

May explain the lack of focus on dramonic.

[Wake1]

Currently, I will not vote either ABR or Titus.

If Titus is bullshitting, she needs to recant immediately before more damage is done.

Who

is flying under the radar?

[Wake1]

Wrong. Cannot do that until the SK is dead. Otherwise both target the cop.

I will give AP the benefit of the doubt and assume he made a simple mistake.

There is no mistake, I simply happen to be competent at game theory.

If the Cop confirms 3+ players as Town, but hasn't confirmed the II SK, that could be a problem.

[Wake1]

The doctor heals all kills usually

Since when?

[Wake1]

A Doctor is a role that targets a player at Night to protect that player from a single kill made during that Night.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor

[Wake1]

A Doctor is a role that targets a player at Night to protect that player from a single kill made during that Night.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor

Some moderators cause Doctors' protection to stop all kills that would resolve on the target that Night.

The variant is used more often than the one kill block one IME.

And which, IYE, is more likely in this Open Setup?

[Wake1]

Wake:

"Hey, what's that way over yonder in the distance?"

Titus:

"It's just a wild dramonic. Pay it no mind."

Wake:

"Isn't he like, lurking or something? Only 9 posts."

Albert:

"Nah, no worries. These things don't matter.

Wake:

"Well, you know, it might matter if he's coasting Scum."

Wake:

"Guys...?"

*Dramonic still coasting out in the distance.

[Wake1]

IF Titus is Town, Scumm will likely use this drama as a foil to vote.

Reads on those voting her currently?

[Wake1]

Albert: "Nah, no worries. These things don't matter.

Good imagination but I never expressed such sentiment.

You've apparently expressed no sentiment there. That's the point.

[Wake1]

IF Titus is Town, Scumm will likely use this drama as a foil to vote.

Reads on those voting her currently?

shes policy if shes town. its besides the point

I don't think we can afford a policy lynch.

[Wake1]

[Wake1]

VOTE: titus

VOTE: titus

I have been saying this slot was slot was scum

Talk. More. Now.

[Wake1]

I think it bears repeating, because DeltaWave seems to have some difficulty hearing others. My meta doesn't involve taking hard stances, and I do reserve my vote. If you DeltaWave have an issue with that, then you had better bring everything you've got in trying to deceive others into thinking my meta means I am Scum. You do that, and I will tear the limbs off your insipid case.

If DW were actually honest, he'd be taking issue with dramonic, who happens to be posting virtually nothing. Dunno if others see the blatant hypocrisy, but I certainly do. I should probably give DW the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to him having absolutely zero comprehension of how I play, but when he's just not hearing things more often than a few times, it gives me damned good reason to not trust it. Maybe he's one of those idiotic types who demands you put your work-life aside and play play

play

Mafia, or replace out. Nah, f*** that. You take issue with that I'll knock you down in this game, and throw you out the f****** window.

As for those of you who do know me, you know I don't like mislynching folks, so am far more careful and thorough than others here. Lord knows I don't like f***-ups. Too often in Mafia people rush to idiotic conclusions with partial truths and wanton bias. Add in a heaping helping of paranoia, and you've got a mess.

Now, I don't make cases, unless I damn well feel like it. And if I do bring a case, it will be a real bitch to get out of. I play the way I play, and that's no one's business but my own. If you don't like it, feel-free to try and blacklist me, and me and my friends will happily see you not play in the games we venture.

[Wake1]

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, BROTHER, WHEN DELTAMANIA COMES FOR YOU???

I'd stomp on you, and then buy a few tacos.

[Wake1]

This guy thinks he can go the whole game without ever voting anyone.

I'm not calling you an idiot.

I am telling you your assertion is absolutely false.

Who the hell are you to assume that?

If you actually are a lawyer, you should know a thing or two about not making assumptions.

Ask anyone who's ever player with me if I never vote during the course of a game. The more you keep saying stupid things like this, the less I think you're as intelligent as you seem to think you are.

[Wake1]

Here we are, thirty days from the start of the game, and you are still unable to commit to a vote. You're hanging back, letting people fighting it out, and acting petulant when pressure is put on you to contribute or take anything more than a luke-warm stance.

Who will be my mujahideen in the jihad against Wake?

Yeah, I don't think so.

If you don't understand that I also have a work-life, then you're simply an idiot.

You apparently refuse to apply any pressure on dramonic at all, knowing full well that he's contributed far, far less than I, and is likely nowhere as busy as I am each week (88hrs/week).

If you expect to stay on this site in the future, you would do well to stop behaving like a dick. People have long memories here, and they will certainly remember you and your sucky behavior. I haven't committed to a vote because I'm busy, but there are times when I can read some of the game and provide posts. If you think I should replace out over it that's not ever going to happen, and I'll simply tear you apart.

I'm not liking how you won't even touch on dramonic's actions.

You hypocrite.

[Wake1]

Hey guys, I'm Scum because I work 12-hour shifts for days on end so I can pay for nursing school on my own dime.

[Wake1]

Wake: Gun to your head, read on every player.

I don't think so.

I just got off a 12-hour shift, and have another one tomorrow and Monday. Tuesday I'll have time open. If you don't like that, then pull the trigger and deal with it. I'll play as I'm able, and right now I have way too many things to focus on in the real world. Next time I catch a breath of air I'll contribute more.

[Wake1]

Alright.

So, currently, I am online at my work and IS'ing a patient (IS = Intense Supervision). Pulled two lower back muscles yesterday, so now I'm taking it easy, and I do have some time to play, but I'm not going to read 2,000+ posts. Been thinking of replacing out, but I figure I'm still in this game, and I'm not going to let one or two crappy people ruin my experience here. So, I'll try to provide some reads, but if you try to force me to do things when I don't have the time to let me do it, I'll tell you to back off.

ika

In general I can't really understand ika, because he doesn't really spell his words out. Garbled words = skimmed words. If I can't read your posts I'm just going to gloss over what you have to say, because it's not worth the migraine. Sorry, but I'm not a masochist.

House

Having difficulty reading him because he posts so much and I don't have time (haven't read most of his posts). He's been a bit snarky this game so it does make me think he's coming from a Town angle this time. Will look at his exchanges a little later as time allows.

Addendum: Floundering a bit because I have little time. Going to try something different yet again to try and make it easier to play in these time constraints.

[Wake1]

And House isn't even in the game anymore.

Freeko, who were you playing against again?

[Wake1]

NS, I'm on Limited Access until Tuesday 3/22/15.

Going to try posting as able, but I'm not going to be bullied when I'm struggling to find time to play.

[Wake1]

*3/24/15

[Wake1]

Titus

Egg

Aneninen

dragonspawn

ika

freeko

AngryPidgeon

A Royal Saint

texcat

Shiro

pisskop

Albert B. Rampage

Garmr

dramonic

Flubbernugget

DeltaWave

Please direct your questions towards me.

[Wake1]

Wake, do you understand that I'm not going after you because you are busy? The reality is that you would have never posted anything remotely close to 2874 unless there was pressure on your slot.

You are bothering me when you know I am busy. And then when I eventually respond you take that and twist it into saying "oh look, he responded with a paragraph, so he can do that all the time with reads and such." Part of what really makes me a bit upset is that it feels like you're taking as much advantage as you can about this weakness.

When you behave like this, it reminds me of that bastard |||| who did the same sort of crap. I want you to understand that I am very busy, but that I don't have to replace out, and that I can post some, but that I can't muster 3+ hours each day towards developing reads. If I did not have work, or a future to build, the quality of my posts would be pristine. I can't read through 300 posts on one player right now and make a read, because I just don't have the time. If you wont respect that, how else should I think of you?

Actually, why is Garmr with the others in the red?

I made earlier comments regarding Garmr, but I think you might have glossed them over. Or ignored them. He was jumping on wagons with naked votes or bare reasoning, on more than one occasion. The reason I withhold my vote is because if I'm going to ensure someone's neck is broken, I had better have damned good reason for doing so. I hate sloppy and rash play.

Im noticing a theme with your reads, and those dont fit.

Then you had better explain it in detail, because you have far, far more time on your hands than I do.

What's the theme just curious because all i see is a thrown together reads list.

What do you mean "what's the theme?"?

None of his thought processes make sense to me with that list.

Ask me questions and I'll help you out.

I'm extremely synergistic, so if you lob questions at me I'll be able to better recall and give feedback. Interact with me if you have any concerns.

[Wake1]

Titus

Egg

Aneninen

dragonspawn

ika

freeko

AngryPidgeon

A Royal Saint

texcat

Shiro

pisskop

Albert B. Rampage

Garmr

dramonic

Flubbernugget

DeltaWave

Please direct your questions towards me.

Can you also tell me why AP and ARS are neutral?


@Garmr

At least insofar as his scumreads go, They are all minimal-producers of content or original arguement. Or have 'garbage' posts.
Except Tex and you.

Because, like I said before pisskop, I am very busy, and have not been as into this game as others.

Looking at my list, I do have reservations about freeko, because of his, imo, scum-slip.

[Wake1]

Wake where was freeko's slip?

It's right here. 416. "Not knowing a thing about the people I am playing against."

I don't get why Town would say that b/c Town doesn't play against others. They have to work together to find the Scum. What I think is that Scum would say that, because Scum would play against the Town, and they know who each other is sans the SK.

Wake, yu no answer serious question?

Texcat and Garmr dont fid the rest of your reads. Why?

Texcat is null because she hasn't really been doing much, but I give her the benefit of the doubt because as Town she's easy lynchbait. I also don't know what her Scum game is. Garmr's at red because as I just told you he's been jumping on wagons with naked votes or without much reasoning at all, and he's been doing it more than once. It feels opportunistic to me and I don't think Town has good reason to be opportunistic at all.

[Wake1]

texcat is supposed to be in the gray area, and Garmr is right where I want him in red, and I've explained why based on what parts of the game I have read so far.

[Wake1]

If you're Town, why would you say you don't know anything about the people you are playing against?

The point is, in Mafia, if you're Town you don't strive to play against the other players, regardless of their alignments.

You try to work together and Scumhunt. This isn't Starcraft.

[Wake1]

Meh. That's a stretch. We are playing against the scum and don't know a thing about who they are. If you believe this to be a slip though, why is freeko in your town pile?

Wait. But he didn't say he was playing against the Scum. He said he didn't know anything about the people he was playing against.

You're saying we're playing against the Scum and that we don't know a thing about who they are. That's you clarifying what he said, and , if I may point out, you speaking on his behalf.

He's in my leaning-Town pile. There's a difference, you know. While I do like how he's been active and Scumhunting, I haven't been reading the thread

because I can't

. When I was skimming his ISO and noticed that I felt it was necessary to bring it up. Now I have, and I'm wanting it discussed, because that's what you do when you Scumhunt and develop reads.

[Wake1]

@Wake
If Deltawave is scum, why aren't you voting them?

Except for me and Egg, we have nearly opposite reads.

Because I can't tell for sure if he's Scum or just being a prick.

And he's hypocritical about dramonic.

[Wake1]

@Wake
If Deltawave is scum, why aren't you voting them?

Except for me and Egg, we have nearly opposite reads.

Because I can't tell for sure if he's Scum or just being a prick.

And he's hypocritical about dramonic.

So you're biggest scumread is someone you cannot tell if they are scum?

I keep telling you I haven't had the time to thoroughly read and analyze the thread to develop reads.

Maybe we're having communication problems here.

[Wake1]

Wake but my point is that scum DO know who they are playing against. No matter how you view the game, this is true. If freeko's post suggests anything, it's that he is in (or faking) a town mindset.

Also if you are "leaning" town on freeko, active scumhunting is the last reason I'd expect to hear. Other than on ABR, I can't recall any of his reads (doesn't mean he doesn't have any, just that I don't remember them). A quick skim of his most recent posts confirms this.

I haven't read as much as you have. I've skimmed his posts, and see some bigger ones that have questions. I don't have the same grip on the current state of the game as you have. It's like me watching one episode of Supernatural, and you watching the entire series, and then you asking me what my thoughts are on 13+ characters. I'm a bit lost, and I need some help, because I don't want to replace out, and I can be a major asset when I have time and am oriented to the game.

Truth be told I am far better at aggressively questioning players. Requires less time hacking and slashing for answers in real-time than going back and scouring hundreds of posts. Guess I play a lot differently than others, and I have a fear of mislynching players.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Wake

Time to get aggressive.

You or me Titus?

[Wake1]

heres a simple one then wake:

justify each read in one sentence. that shouldt be too much effort to do

I could do that, but that'd be too simplistic, and the bitching would probably be endless.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Wake

Time to get aggressive.

Are you prodding me to be aggressive?

[Wake1]

heres a simple one then wake:

justify each read in one sentence. that shouldt be too much effort to do

I could do that, but that'd be too simplistic, and the bitching would probably be endless.

There's no point to this. He has no convictions. Town Wake has beams of convictions and likely already would have done this.

VOTE: Wake

Time to get aggressive.

You or me Titus?

You say you are aggressive as town. Where is that aggression?

You tend to get convictions when you have time to focus. I can be aggressive. Extremely aggressive. I can get to that point if I have enough interest. Work's got me sapped, tired, and nauseous. Do have some time left today, and I could get into the mood of being aggressive, and maybe bring in my signature aggression and forcefulness, but I don't know. I am Town, but now I am Town with a lot of crap on my plate.

[Wake1]

I say something like "Wake, this isn't about your activity it's about your lack of taking firm opinions..."

I CAN'T TAKE FIRM OPINIONS WHEN I DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR THE ENERGY TO MAKE THEM.

You keep pushing me for reads when I didn't even know House was replaced, and I haven't read most of the game. How the fuck am I supposed to take a *firm* opinion on people when more than half of them are scummy as fuck and the other part is either stupid, reckless, or behavioral? I don't have the time to read about 3,000 posts. Read it THE FUCK again.

What pisses me off is that you do this

yet you won't even

try

to push dramonic for his reads and opinions. He's only contributed less than 20 sentences!!! Un-fucking-real. Where the hell are you asking dramonic for his firm opinions? He's not working 90+ hours a week. You are trying to capitalize on my lack of activity due to real-life work in order to achieve a mislynch. As Scum you have no reason to actually listen to me or get that the time I have right now isn't the time necessary to provide what it is you're asking of me.

It's Day 2. I don't know who's who yet. And I haven't read the game like others have. At the moment i'm in the hospital and am only able to post when my patient is safe and not being violent. I'm not going to risk my job or safety because you're demanding that I post huge, crystallized reads on players here. If that's what you're demanding you can piss off. You're not helping the situation by trying to stress me to contribute when I don't have the means for it.

[Wake1]

My big problem with him Day One is that he could give plenty of town-reads but couldn't give a scum-read. If you can read the game enough to get a town read, you get a scum read; unless, of course, you were trying to be as non-controversial as possible.

Except that's pure bullshit and you know it.

Day 1 no one knows fuck-all about anyone or anything. Only the egotistical pricks of the forum rush to hard conclusions Day 1, because they're neither as cautious or intelligent as they think they are. I don't scumread players Day 1, unless something actually crazy happens, like a damning scumslip. Townreads are easier to come to Day 1 and on, but they're only tentative, and as the mind chews on them and the ever-critical eye scans the game, those Townreads eventually melt down to something more accurate.

Do you even know how I play? You should ask House. And dragonspawn.

Pedit; House replaced out, so scratch that.

[Wake1]

Lynch titus with me then. You don't even have to feel bad if she flips town.

NO.

IF SHE'S TOWN, THAT'D BE A FUCK-UP MISTAKE.

AND THAT'S MAKE NO SENSE EITHER. WTF.

[Wake1]

Lynch titus with me then. You don't even have to feel bad if she flips town.

———✸ What good reason is there for me to help you lynch Titus today?

———✸ How exactly are you reading her and why?

———✸ How well do you know Scum-Titus' scum game? I was once told that she nitpicks the details as Scum. Can you verify from your own personal experiences if there is any truth to this or not?

[Wake1]

Wake, regardless of what strategy you're using right now, I don't want you to come away with hard feelings over this if you truly believe that's why I'm going up your ass so far that I can clean the back of your teeth.

You're insincere, so you can shove it.

[Wake1]

I'm back and done with the 4-day stretch of work for now. At the hospital yesterday a gun-wielding kidnapper/idiot came into our hospital and kidnapped a coworker in the RCC section, thus causing the hospital to go on lock-down. You can read about it here: http://journaltimes.com/news/local/crim ... f6280.html . I was smack-dab in the middle of that crap, and am still a bit disturbed by it. Work went well today, and I'm hoping to play the game more tomorrow before and after blood donation at same hospital.

As for reads, maybe it's true that I shouldn't be playing Mafia for now, because there's just no time for it. Truth be told I joined because of the players, because I played this exact game awhile ago. And I haven't replaced out because I told NS that I wouldn't, and I don't want to be known as that dude who keeps replacing out. It's sort of like a commitment. Anyways, you guys want reads from me, and if I were in your shoes I can certainly understand that, because it's been a really long time, and it's not cool when a player stays in the game but doesn't really come up with reads or make a commitment on who's what.

I'm in a dilemma, guys. I don't wanna replace out, but I'm really struggling here. It's definitely a time issue. But I think, to some extent, it's also a brain-energy issue. Works leaves me brain-drained. There's so many things to juggle, and so many responsibilities that you must deal with. It takes a lot of brain-power to scum-read someone. For me it is, because I'm typically very careful, and second-guessing myself. If I scumread say, Garmr, because he's hopping on wagons and not really providing much if any reason for it, how do I know if he's actually scum? I don't, and I can't. So what do I do, and what do I do if I do succeed in getting him lynched, but he flips Town? Do we even have a standard for what's actually scummy, and what isn't?

My method for scumhunting involves searching for people who use hyperbole, or those who try to twist words or actions. A lot of things that people try to say are scummy really isn't, and much of it is just conjecture. Blather. So, what? Do I have to put a disclaimer at the end of each post every time I scumread someone? I just don't like sloppy and reckless scumreads, and it sucks seeing players get mislynched over and over. I get that in Mafia there's going to be a ton of mislynching, but I should be allowed the self-determination, at least on my part, to be more careful than the rest, right? If you were in my shoes here, on all of these issues, what would you guys do? Can you help me out here, please? You might do me a world of good here.

[Wake1]

*Is here. May replace out. We'll see.

[Wake1]

I don't have time for Mafia or internet boards in general anymore.

@Mod, please replace me. Things beyond my control have come up.

[Wake1]

Is it too late to rescind the replace-out, Mod?

If I am allowed to stay, I will be V/LA until Tuesday.

Players will have to be patient with me, because I am damned busy as hell. And yeah, I work harder and have a lot more on my plate than most here.

Will wait for a response from game mod before posting further.

[Wake1]

Is it too late to rescind the replace-out, Mod?

Nope, it is not too late. As long as I haven't found a replacement it can be rescinded.

Alright. I'll rescind.

I'll be ignoring calls from other players for me to be posting when I'm busy and V/LA.

If I get mislynched because I'm V/LA, or because I can post a paragraph or two in response when I can find 30 minutes in over two days to respond, so be it.

As for the game guys, I think we need to focus on one issue and seek a resolution. I don't like that business with the multiple Cop claims. Out of all this crap that's been going on, that's one of the few things that stick out in my mind.

[Wake1]

Multiple cop claims has been resolved. No one seriously claimed cop.

No pushing forward is helpful to the town.

What do you recommend we do, Titus?

We can't do Follow the Cop, because we know there's two Scum factions.

And frankly I'm more than a little pissed with this phenomenon of how PRs tend to get outed Day 1.

Tentatively, I'd say we lynch dramonic, but deep down I know that not posting much isn't really a good enough reason to lynch someone.

I propose we look at those who attempted/did ferret out PR claims/information, and also analyze the reactions of other players in response to it. We only have, what, two days left, so we need to come to a conclusion on who gets lynched next.

[Wake1]

At a glance, both me and dramonic are competing wagons. We actually have at least four days left. I have more to offer than dramonic. Dramonic shouldn't be lynched if the reason is for lack of activity. Should I be mislynched, I would recommend players remember those who were on that wagon.

I don't fully understand the reasons for voting me, and I have the sinking feeling that at least two Scum are backing it. Experience has taught me that it takes a lying tongue and a calm disposition to subvert the thoughts of others, and it seems that in my absence this is what has happened against me. The reasons for voting me should be made clear. Listed. When I was busy a player pressured me, and when I found actual time (scarce as it is) to respond to him, he then turned that around, and said that since I was able to respond to him with a larger post, that I should be able to also provide a lot more content and reads. What is so unfair about that is that it is simply not true, and, at worst, an insult. There is a grain of deceit in those words, because he is implying that because I responded in such a way, I should also have the time and energy to do this, this, and that. No. That is false, and does not come from a mindset of fairness and honesty, and we expect both from a Town mindset, right?

So looking at that current vote wagon, some were suckered into it, and I do suspect that at least two scum are behind it, if not more. That the player who started the wagon (DW) is no longer behind it currently, yet the wagon remains, is what I find perplexing. I reason internally to myself that perhaps DW really is Town but erred in his reasoning, and that Scum have run with it, and capitalized upon my scarce presence in this particular game.

To be honest, I also acknowledge that I haven't been participating much here, and that I really don't know that many of the players or their metas... or much of what's gone on so far. I'm not sure if it would break rules if I said I've been so bust that I had to leave games. This game I almost left for good, but then I felt something, like a sense of hope and determination, and that I really can do my part to help bring this game back, and lead the Town to victory. But if I do this, and am set to see all of these things come to pass, I need you guys to be patient with me. Maybe it is my irresponsibility, or my impulsiveness that put me between the grips of this situation, or maybe it's my love of this game and the strong desire to play it out until the very end. If you will be patient with me, and maybe even help me stay informed of the current status of the game, I can be a major asset.

My weak points are reads, because I dislike mislynching and being mislynched, and keep self-doubting myself. My strong points is assertiveness and, as time and energy allow, an overpowering sense of focus that clamps down and torments anyone unlucky enough to get in my way. Building off of that, I can be truly relentless with my unlimited curiosity, and sometimes it's to a fault, because some players don't like being bothered with questions. I feed off of engagement, and am very good when it comes to questions and opinions being bounced off of me. I can create massively thorough and focused reads, but my life limits that. Also, since Mafia in Space, I have something I liked to use called an Annihilator Beam, which was a fun gimmick with which I'd use to shoot up players with questions to gather information. Haven't used it much, but those who remember those days remember how effective it can be when I use it well. Scattershot is new, and the first time I used it here has been the only time. I kinda like it, because it generates discussion, and the colors are neat. Planning to take a page from Titus' book and start becoming far more logical, while also combing over responses to pick up on words being taken out of context. Lastly, I've read that to get a man to speak you need but contradict him. On that notion, I suspect a whole new branch of play on my part could be made, and used well.

What I've been noticing is that I do reserve my vote, and that maybe, just maybe, I should try to use it more liberally, like a weapon, to get results, like House does. In general I tend to play very cautiously, and am not inclined to make any reckless assumptions as others do. I do have difficulty reading people, and likely moreso than others, because I'm not as frequent in Mafia as other players are.

Before I start attempting to Scumhunt and provide further reads, is there anything you guys can add to help me? Good-willed feedback would help a lot.

[Wake1]

Drod Podge.

Pretty sure all I suggested was a game of follow the cop, but then people here who want to jump on all things decided that it meant I was cop. If I were the cop I think I would just run with it.

If you are much more active than me, I would appreciate it if you'd post more, especially with the deadline looming.

I'm not going to beat you over the head for suggesting we do a FtC maneuver. It was a simple mistake, and it simply happens.

Which three players does your gut say is Scum, freeko? How about garmr or ika?

[Wake1]

I do feel there are some players I trust more than others.

Titus, Egg, and AngryPidgeon I get trust-vibes on, with the caveat that I am wary of AP's seeming kindness towards me, because I've been badly screwed by Scum before when they were nice to me. I am a f****** sucker for that.

I want to know where dragonspawn and Aneninen stand regarding my wagon. Deltawave I feel may be Town, but his reasoning, in my opinion, sucks. Would prefer he stays around, though, and am not inclined to vote him.

Not hearing enough from dramonic, texcat, and shiro. I don't trust Garmr or flubbernugget, and I feel like they're hopping onto convenient wagons and lurking for the deadline. Should it be one of them or a No-Lynch, we need to lynch someone, and I'd be ok with one of these five, with emphasis being put on either of the latter two.

I do feel like I can trust ika, too, for now. I don't know if Scum-ika would contribute so much to the game as Scum; same with Titus. The others I don't know.

[Wake1]

Dragonspawn, I hope to god you're not Scum, because I feel like you're keeping more of a low profile, and I don't remember that from you before we came to this site.

*Getting a headache

[Wake1]

I'm also not happy with how you'll list me as your top scumread

Did I say that this page?

Because my posts this page are current.

Right now I'm thinking you might be Town, but I feel your reasoning sucks.

[Wake1]

I find your response a bit hypocritical.

You are ranting about you being VLA and want to lynch Dram for not posting enough.

I'm getting the feeling you didn't read my post, so I'll say it more clearly.

When it comes to avoiding a mislynch, I'm fine with one of those five being lynched, preferably garmr or flubber.

Also—and I'm not sure you're willfully ignoring it—I am a lot busier than others here. Calling it ranting is your twist on it. If you're Town you know better.

If you actually read my post, you'd know I'm not advocating we lynch dram for not posting enough. I am saying that if it's to avoid a NL, him being one of five options is preferable to the worst-case scenario, which is not lynching anyone.

Please keep my words in context, Titus. You know how sensitive I am to that.

[Wake1]

I would rather no-lynch than lynch Dramonic. That wagon seems like a cop-out to me.

What do you make of the other four?

[Wake1]

I meant the other four of five players I'd be fine with having lynched instead of a NL. Sorry.

[Wake1]

Meh, the reasons actually sucked.

And I couldn't really play to the best of my abilities.

My comrades sort of suck, too, but whatever.

Good for catching me as Scum, but it doesn't really count, considering I wasn't playing even at half strength.

Oh well, on to nursing school.

[Wake1]

You actually almost had me off your back there for a while though.

You will understand why I'm upset post-game or dead qt.

It fucking sucked. And the rl crap was real.

I wish I was Town this game, honestly. Scum doesn't really deserve it.

[Wake1]

Hi Wake! Im happy this worked out for us!

It was the meta from Mafialand Mayhem.

You can't count on meta.

You seriously can't count on meta.

What happens if I started playing like dramonic and didn't do anything but lurk?

I did contribute a lot more than him, but I just couldn't play this game because of real-life.

[Wake1]

For the record, my jihad against you wasn't personal. I am just required by the sharia law to wage war against the unbelievers.

Personally, even though I was Scum, I feel your reasons really that good enough. Just my opinion.

You know Scum gets lynched for both good or bad reasons.

[Wake1]

*really weren't.

[Wake1]

As scum this game, I was like Darth Vader with only one finger for both hands.

Yeah. If I ever stop working and do start having a buttload of time to play Mafia with, it's something entirely different.

Real-life really got in the way.

[Wake1]

I actually didn't have TIME to make any freaking reads, whether Town or Scum.

That's how retardedly busy I've been. Couldn't read and analyze the hundreds/thousands of pages. Seriously.

[Wake1]

Hell, as Scum I was lost as f*** in this game.

[Wake1]

And there's a really, REALLY good reason why I'm upset, and I'll explain ti when I am able, dead qt or post-game.

Just sucks, and Scum doesn't really deserve the win. Drixx dying sucked, though.

[Wake1]

Sorry if I pissed you off.

No it's not that.

I could easily parry your stuff if I had the time and wasn't drained, and had actual team-mates.

[Wake1]

And I could be lying my ass off, too.

[Wake1]

But I'm really not.

[Wake1]

You guys probably shouldn't analyze any of my reads or stuff. Nothing really to see there.

[Wake1]

Spoiler: NSFW!!!