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But it is shit- all of it.
I'm only gonna reevaluate if I'm proven wrong because I agree, I am very confident I am right here. Barring a valid reason to reevaluate, I will not.
Your second quote looks like more from scum!you
Mastina is town and I'm not going to lynch her. Your reasoning here seems to be "hurrdurr paranoia" and I am a man of logic
I don't expect to be shown to be wrong, but I accept that it is a possibility of what will occur if mastina gladiates you. Thank you for flagging this post again, however, as I seem to have missed that you think her gladiating you would confirm her as scum. How?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 5864, NicoRobin wrote:
And I will ask again: how exactly will you be 'proven wrong'? Because your method - the gladiate - won't work the way you'd want it to.In post 5856, jjh927 wrote:But it is shit- all of it.
I'm only gonna reevaluate if I'm proven wrong because I agree, I am very confident I am right here. Barring a valid reason to reevaluate, I will not.
Your second quote looks like more from scum!you
Mastina is town and I'm not going to lynch her. Your reasoning here seems to be "hurrdurr paranoia" and I am a man of logic
I don't expect to be shown to be wrong, but I accept that it is a possibility of what will occur if mastina gladiates you. Thank you for flagging this post again, however, as I seem to have missed that you think her gladiating you would confirm her as scum. How?
Yeah it would
Either she fails and I am proven right or she succeeds and I am proven wrong. It's a binary.
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And thanks for proving you didn't read at all. I didn't say her gladiating me would confirm her as scum, I said that her REFUSING to do so - which will happen - would.In post 5856, jjh927 wrote:But it is shit- all of it.
I'm only gonna reevaluate if I'm proven wrong because I agree, I am very confident I am right here. Barring a valid reason to reevaluate, I will not.
Your second quote looks like more from scum!you
Mastina is town and I'm not going to lynch her. Your reasoning here seems to be "hurrdurr paranoia" and I am a man of logic
I don't expect to be shown to be wrong, but I accept that it is a possibility of what will occur if mastina gladiates you. Thank you for flagging this post again, however, as I seem to have missed that you think her gladiating you would confirm her as scum. How?
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In post 5781, NicoRobin wrote:And for the record, she won't gladiate me either, because that would prove she is scum beyond a doubt."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I literally quoted a post where you said she would be confirmed as scum if she gladiated you. No gaslighting please.In post 5873, NicoRobin wrote:
No, I only argued that she would be scum for refusing to gladiate me.In post 5870, jjh927 wrote:Do note that you have argued that she would be scum for gladiating you and also that she would be scum for refusing to gladiate you
Come think of it, you only included two options: she either succeeds or fails.
But there is a third possibility: she doesn't gladiate me at all. What happens with your analysis if this option were to occur?
Option 3 is where we are now- where I will keep going from until we reach either option 1 or 2."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I literally quoted a post where you said she would be confirmed as scum if she gladiated you. No gaslighting please.In post 5873, NicoRobin wrote:
No, I only argued that she would be scum for refusing to gladiate me.In post 5870, jjh927 wrote:Do note that you have argued that she would be scum for gladiating you and also that she would be scum for refusing to gladiate you
Come think of it, you only included two options: she either succeeds or fails.
But there is a third possibility: she doesn't gladiate me at all. What happens with your analysis if this option were to occur?
Option 3 is where we are now- where I will keep going from until we reach either option 1 or 2."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I agree I'm quick to discard possibilities but I tend to have good reasoning and accuracy for it. For the more important things relying on lots of assumptions I do recognise that they were reasoned on assumptions and so could well be wrong, however an individual such assumption is often negligible.In post 5874, NicoRobin wrote:Because for someone who claims to know everything, you are way too quick to discard some possibilities if they don't fit in with your views.
I propose this: ignore my existence for a day or two (irl) and focus on finding my partners, which should be easy, given how clever you deem yourself to be and how adamant you are that I am scum. If you can find them and if I am unable to counter your arguments on a decent level, then you can lynch me. I'll even sheep you. How about that, jjh? If you are that sure of yourself, then you will seize this opportunity for a free lynch on me.
Your alignment being confirmed one way or the other would help greatly in me finding scum regardless of what you actually turn out to be. I do not intend to let you hang about. If I ignore you, you will still be there at the endgane whether or not you are scum, because scum would never nightkill you. If you get confscummed you will be lynched. If you get conftowned you will actually be useful as a rolecop, and furthermore might not make it to the endgame because scum need to kill off conftowns. You are not offering a "free lynch" on yourself. This is bartering. I don't make deals with mafia"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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From perspectives other than mine, yesIn post 5968, NicoRobin wrote:
So you admit that you could be scum as well, eh?In post 5966, jjh927 wrote:EVERYONE IS A POSSIBLE SCUM
But you're just being obtuse and I'm getting towards my limit here; I wasn't aware I had a limit these days"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Why does scum!her do thisIn post 5916, mastina wrote:Wait fuck.
I thought it was 3, 5 days from now.
Uhhh.
NEVERMIND THEN.
I have a guilty on Firebringer."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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! vote
2 votesIn post 5930, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: mastina
This time, I will get her lynched whether you agree with me or not.
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8 votes (that's a double)In post 5951, THE MEME MEN wrote:
We areIn post 5929, Creature wrote:Huh who is Sora?
VOTE: Mastina - Shiro and Sora
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Roses are redIn post 5927, RadiantCowbells wrote:With 18 alive it's 10 to lynch
Mastina is hated
And now she is dead
and I am frustrated"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Okay so obviously after Mastina flipped scum I had to do some rethinking but it's just perspective, really.
There's still a part of me that keeping Mastina alive and leashing her was still optimal play, even if she was dragging her feet about using her ability. Her trueclaiming made no sense for scum because it was so pro-town to claim it. I feel like scum hardbussed Mastina there, considering that optimal scumplay would be to bus Mastina's role into the ground. Which takes me back to NicoRobin, although I still don't understand why she failed the rolecop. There's been too much dodgy shit regarding her rolecop and I don't think it adds up at all. NicoRobin is still scum.
Also I would suggest people unvote so I can freeze this vote in place to prove I can do it:
VOTE: NicoRobin"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 6097, Aristophanes wrote:I didn't do anything last night because what's the point?In post 6032, Jingle wrote:Oh, I was roleblocked yesterday. I was not allowed to talk about the roleblock yesterday and could only say that I didn't submit my action because town was going to lose or nihilism or something along those lines.
Additionally, there is no danger of me being force replaced at this point, it's been resolved."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Never said it was 1-shot btwIn post 6187, Jingle wrote:Further, jjh using his role early is EVEN MORE IMPORTANT if he is scum, because letting him use it whenever he wants increases the chance he can use it in a proscum fashion."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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That is a meaningless difference with regards to functionality, and one that I was aware of. Furthermore, I believe I said she was either loyal or disloyal, BECAUSE it's a meaningless difference with regards to functionality, and can reference a couple of times for you. I recall you not even being certain she was even a gladiatorIn post 6166, NicoRobin wrote:
No, you weren't. You kept saying she is loyal, when she was in fact, disloyal.In post 6161, jjh927 wrote:I mean my mistake was assuming she was town because her scumplay was so suboptimal it was insane
I was correct on her telling the truth about her role
Spoiler:"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Kuroi day 1, Chickadee day 2, nobody day 3 because Varsoon did his thing, and Firebringer day 4In post 6210, THE MEME MEN wrote:
She did it on FB, Kuroi/aldeb (isn't aldeb due for prod??), and 2 other peopleIn post 6208, Creature wrote:Who were mastina gladiates?
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Can we just recap NR's use of her role?
N1: Porkens - who refused to give over whatever the hell it is she actually checks
N2: mastina - who agreed, but NR got no result
N3: Supposedly attempted to target me but instead targeted Jingle
N4: Targeted nobody
And the evolution of her claim?
What we know it does:In post 3453, mastina wrote:I was told, "Nico is demanding your role; you have 48 hours to comply, or she becomes a triple voter for you."
She then retracts the watcher aspect of her claim after people start talking about what would happen if Mastina got jailkept and Vecna inevitably votes her because from his perspective, her claiming watcher is a scumclaim.In post 3790, NicoRobin wrote:I am Nico Robin, conditional triple voter conditional tracker/watcher.
Each night I target a player and they have 48 hours to give me who they visited. If they don't, I gain a triple vote against them. I targeted Porkens N1 and mastina N2. My action on Porkens failed and I got no result on mastina.
And then we haveIn post 3866, NicoRobin wrote:@Vecna I looked at my role PM again, and it seems that I am not a Watcher after all, but a Role Cop.
Guess this is what happens when I don't read my own role PM thoroughly..... :O
At this point, I deserve to be lynched for sheer stupidity......
When RC calls that a flavourcopIn post 6267, NicoRobin wrote:Then she lied to me, because the way my role is written, I am rolecop in flavor only, while my actual role is tracker."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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The mechanics make no fucking sense
She claims to have got a no result as opposed to a failure on Mastina but without having got anything other than a tracker result. She's jumped through claims it would make no sense to think without reading. Her actions do not make mechanical sense. She has lied. Multiple times.
Oh also I seem to have lost some bits of that recap lemme add em in"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Here's the ebwopIn post 6485, jjh927 wrote:Can we just recap NR's use of her role?
N1: Porkens - who refused to give over whatever the hell it is she actually checks
N2: mastina - who agreed, but NR got no result
N3: Supposedly attempted to target me but instead targeted Jingle
N4: Targeted nobody
And the evolution of her claim?
What we know it does:
So she opened with this:In post 3453, mastina wrote:I was told, "Nico is demanding your role; you have 48 hours to comply, or she becomes a triple voter for you."
Which is fair enough I guess. It lined up with the demand we know of the role. But then she decides she misread it when trying to think of a way to not straight up guilty Mastina for some reason while still wanting to be able to bus her.In post 3077, NicoRobin wrote:Well, I am not only a triple voter, I am also a rolecop. That's what Porkens wanted me to say, and now I have.
She then retracts the watcher aspect of her claim after people start talking about what would happen if Mastina got jailkept and Vecna inevitably votes her because from his perspective, her claiming watcher is a scumclaim.In post 3790, NicoRobin wrote:I am Nico Robin, conditional triple voter conditional tracker/watcher.
Each night I target a player and they have 48 hours to give me who they visited. If they don't, I gain a triple vote against them. I targeted Porkens N1 and mastina N2. My action on Porkens failed and I got no result on mastina.
And then we haveIn post 3866, NicoRobin wrote:@Vecna I looked at my role PM again, and it seems that I am not a Watcher after all, but a Role Cop.
Guess this is what happens when I don't read my own role PM thoroughly..... :O
At this point, I deserve to be lynched for sheer stupidity......
When RC calls that a flavourcopIn post 6267, NicoRobin wrote:Then she lied to me, because the way my role is written, I am rolecop in flavor only, while my actual role is tracker."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Nah, extremely unlikelyIn post 6491, NicoRobin wrote:
And MM's guilty isn't a guilty because redirector.In post 6489, jjh927 wrote:Creature's guilty wasn't a guilty for the reasons I pointed out"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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We're actually on day 5 here not day 4In post 6535, northsidegal wrote:
if nicorobin is town,In post 6533, Nero Cain wrote:
or did Nico say something b4 this?In post 6428, Jingle wrote:Oh yeah, forgot this in the roles thing. IF NR is town, we also have a redirector/busdriver type role that moved her from jjh to me on N3.shewas redirected last night to someone else. that kind of precludes meme men having been redirected on the same night (presumably)
what's more, i'm not even sure how a redirector and a parity cop would resolve."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I would like you to expand on this if possibleIn post 6564, THE MEME MEN wrote:That along with the no lynch vote on eod 4? That's also suspect of jjh."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 6196, jjh927 wrote:Yo guys so I can actually get it out of the way
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In post 6622, jjh927 wrote:People who aren't voting can switch their votes
Whoops ebwop"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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My early game play can easily be mistaken for directionless vote hopping but usually people obtain perspective and stop thinking I'm scum for itIn post 6624, Nero Cain wrote:My biggest worry about JJH is not that he defended Mastina so much but his early game was just directionless vote hopping. I'd expect town to be a little more tunnely (like he is now)."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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