Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

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P.edit. In any case, I still have the most confidence in Hot flipping town. I’d vote any of the current wagons - except Hot - including Neenie - to avoid a no lynch, however.

Yeah this is town all day.

No thanks

I’ve noticed that many of your observations border on being simplistic. While I tl you for them, due to the conviction you seem to show, it’s really frustrating that you don’t realize things are usually way more complex then they appear. This is why I would be unlikely to sheep your reads unless I was convinced of them myself.

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I don’t think RWBY’s reasons for voting Neenie are enough to convince me she’s necessarily scum here. I’m not tr that slot but then that’s true for a lot of players in this game so far.

Isn't this basically how most people feel about all the major wagons?

I want to lynch Neenie more because fewer people want to lynch for no good reason.

~Ruby

Fair but I’d prefer to have a more confident sr on a slot I vote. although that is par for the course for me on D1. I’m just worried that PB is right about Neenie being lhf. How much time do we have left? Hopefully all of the wagons including Neenie’s will be clarified, the closer we get to deadline.

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@clever
U talking about me or Vedith?

@rwby
I have some thoughts, but I'm currently striking and I don't want to write my thoughts prematurely while on mobile

You, you make a lot of observations about people’s play which are

generally more likely to be accurate than random

but not set in stone.

A simple entrance can still be scum and a complex one, town, it’s based on CONTENT and a complex post, tends to be more AI, due to more content. My opening posts for example are usually NIA for me, as in most games, I tend to make a similar first post. Unless I’m a replace in or very late posting, I will usually make a “looking forward to the game” type post regardless of alignment. My point obviously is, you cannot ever accurately read me off of an opening post.

Just an example of the problems I’m having with most of your observations. That said, I have correctly nailed scum twice off of an uberscummy opening post. Once in Excalibur and the other in ND. Both were complex but

the content was clearly scummy

. Both involved opening posts sr a slot based on pretty much NAI reasons.

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Chemist with the pro plays.

I forgot it was still there tbh

Chemist, probably town. I was also tr his predecessor.

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McQueen is a common mislynch. He was mislynched in two games of mine, that I’m aware. Have you asked Krazy about McQueen in Boon’s LNT?

I mean, sure, but aren't people scumreading the Baezu head too?

I'm not even pushing McQueen but this is a really weak defense you've made like three separate times Nancy, what's going on? Just read the slot or don't

-ws

I have and that’s obviously why I think they’re likely flipping town.

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Mercy is currently at 7 .[/color] Undertale Mafia Votecount 1.77: Skygazer (6): Brown Eyes, Chemist1422, Papyrus, Shining Dreamers, Pink Ball, Rosterfoster Something_Smart (4): Wiisp, Vedith, Game of Throws, Skygazer Hot Lightning (2): Dannflor, Game of Throws Game of Throws (1): Something_Smart Rosterfoster (1): Hot Lightning NeenieKit (1): Team Rwby Wiisp (0): Dannflor (0): Papyrus (0): Brown Eyes (0): Team RWBY (0): Pink Ball (0): Vedith (0): nomnomnom (0): Shining Dreamers (0): Reasonably Clever (0): Chemist1422 (0): Not Voting: Reasonably Clever, NeenieKit With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch. The day ends (expired on 2019-04-21 00:00:00).

Dafuq, Why does GoT have 2 votes?

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@SD: Mastina. What level of mastina reader am I? Or at least, should I be? Because right now I haven't seen anything that makes me outright townread you, but you're also not acting out of character in the context of your intent was just to troll publicly(which is what I expected).

-Cerb

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nancy what should my read on you be atm

-Blake

Why do you always ask me these kinds of questions? What kind of answer do you seriously expect me to give?

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Roster

, what do you think about Wiisp? Have any other strong feelings / reads that you've picked up besides the three you mentioned?

I was feeling wisp town.

VOTE: Wiisp

so where did your opinion change? also good luck as well

I didn’t like the naked vote on you.

@Papyrus, @Roster, why the Wiisp votes?

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Page 40

Lightning looks scummier now but has less votes??

VOTE: RWBY

How is RWBY scummy?

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For the record, 1783's a scum post a good 70% of the time.

He is a common mislynch. Is that also true for Sky?

Absolutely not, no.

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

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Cerb pretending to be Nancy now?

Are you trolling me now? When does Cerb ever pretend to be his hydra partner? lmao

Hey Nancy remember when I criticized you?

They've been trolling you since almost the beginning; for someone who says they don't fall for this sort of thing anymore...you sure seem to fall for that sort of thing still.

Really? So they really did know it was Cerb all along?

You guys are such meanies.

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For the record, 1783's a scum post a good 70% of the time.

hm, why?

It does concern me a bit that they seem locked in on Hot.

@Nom, why are you so set on Hot being scum?

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I think Sho hasn't read my DVa games tho)

Mesthinks this was a copy-paste from a hydra PT which forgot to remove a name of a suspected account owner.

well

we decided to completely ignore it and hope it gets lost and forgotten but now that's looking really unlikely

-Blake

OMG! I just read it. Explains a lot. About past RC games and how they know me.

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VOTE: Brown Eyes

Not really getting the Brown scumreads. Why is Brown scum?

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Brown's town, Dann.

are you sure

there's actually nothing in her ISO

So many words

but look at her stances

The only thing I really didn’t get was when she said that PB was concerned about how he looked, when it’s clear, the converse is the case.

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Or rather lack of stances. I don't like her constant pushes to end the day early. I don't like LHF scum reads on people like Vedith because "they town read Skygazer" even though I did the same thing and yet I'm a town read. I don't like the contentless wall posts.

Agree with that, it’s usually a bad reason to scumread anyone.

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Dann, what do you need from me to convince you to vote Wiisp over Brown?

I don’t understand why Wiisp is scum and if you weren’t so tunnelled on him, you might be more suspicious of Roster just sheeping you with that naked vote.

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Oh fuck IT'S AL FUCKING ONZO

oh fucking right oh fuck.


VOTE: Pink Ball

How is that a scumpost?

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Page 40

Lightning looks scummier now but has less votes??

VOTE: RWBY

How is RWBY scummy?

When did I say they were scummy?

You voted them.

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Page 40

Lightning looks scummier now but has less votes??

VOTE: RWBY

How is RWBY scummy?

what do you think of my entrance?

Not impressed. Not sure if you’re actually scum here or trolling.

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VOTE: Hot Lightning

I am

rosterfoster too

and then you dann

Eh, I think Dann is town and still think Hot is a mislynch. I might vote Roster though. His naked sheep on Wiisp looked really bad.

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and then you dann

Which is annoying because i was townreading you in the first 20 pages,

then the viagra wore off

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Oh fuck IT'S AL FUCKING ONZO

oh fucking right oh fuck.


VOTE: Pink Ball

How is that a scumpost?

translation

'now I have to tryhard'

Maybe. Do you have meta with PB? I think they’re different here than in jester game.

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Agree.

but do concede wiisp will cop some flak for his 'holier than thou' style, its gonna wear on some

+1

I think you might be town for this.

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specifically i expect Mcqueen to reach out to me, I dont know his partner.

Hopefully he doesn't derptunnel me like last time...

Pedit played with pintu a few times, so I naturally disagree with the angle this is the stronger of the accounts that I saw mentioned previously too..

Well that’s my main issue with both Wiisp and Hot wagons. People all too often conflate lack of charisma with being scummy. They’re obviously not mutually exclusive but one of the most common reasons for mislynching.

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as for SS, I lean scum slightly just now all things considered.

SS and Roster are currently my strongest scumreads. I was very suspicious of Sky for awhile too but their recent posting has been a bit better. However, agree with SD over RWBY about Sky being lhf here.

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@RC
Do you think hot calling you scummiest by a mile, to be a joke read, like Dann seems to believe it is?

When did they say that? I must have missed it.

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@RC
Do you think hot calling you scummiest by a mile, to be a joke read, like Dann seems to believe it is?

When did they say that? I must have missed it.

I just ISO’d them and couldn’t find any such post.

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@RC
Do you think hot calling you scummiest by a mile, to be a joke read, like Dann seems to believe it is?

When did they say that? I must have missed it.

I just ISO’d them and couldn’t find any such post.

Nor in Dann’s for that matter.

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@Nom, why are you so set on Hot being scum?

SAME THOUGHTS AS IN 1259, NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED ON THIS FRONT!!!

ALSO I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT I'VE HAD MY VOTE THERE FOR A WHILE BUT RC DIDN'T HAVE MY VOTE IN THE VC'S TWO TIMES IN A ROW!!!

nomnomnom:

What are other reads you have aside from

Wisp

?

DANNFLOR IS TOWN, NO DOUBTS ABOUT THAT!!!

PROBABLY PB TOO FOR HIS READS SO FAR. I FEEL THERE'S A TOWN VIBE TO BROWN EYES, SMALL BUT PRESENT!!!

MY SCUMREADS ARE WIISP AND HOT LIGHTNING. WIISP BECAUSE A MIX OF ATE AND FLOODING THREAD WITH IRRELEVANT STUFF + ASKING ME WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT MY ROLE, AND

HOT LIGHTNING BECAUSE THEIR READS LIST IS INDICATING THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO SOLVE THIS GAME

.

VEDITH AND SKY ARE ON MY SCUMLEANS, BUT I NEED MORE TIME TO MAKE UP MY MIND.

THE REST IS TERRA INCOGNITA. A TRUE PUZZLE!!!

How do you get they are not trying to solve the game from a readslist?

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Question still stands @RC, do you think that Hot's read on shining was a joke read? Like damn believes?

Can you either link/quote both of these posts? Thanks.

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Dreamers is the scummiest in the thread, so you should always be voting there from these reads

pretty sure the Mastina read is obviously a joke

Hot said

Dreamers- reading super scummy to me.

Town Mastina would have solved this by now!

Prob scummiest slot in the thread atm

@RC
Dann says it was probably a joke, and I don't necessarily believe that, and I thought it was weird he never voted there

Okay, I disagree with Dann then, I think it was a serious read from Hot. I think the reason why Dann may have thought it was a joke, was the bolded. Town!Mastina incorrectly scumread town!Xtoxm in ND game, so I do find that part kind of amusing. You think it weird that Hot never voted SD, I’m assuming. I dunno, shouldn’t you be addressing this to them?

I usually vote my stongest scumread.

@Hot Lightening, do you still think SD is the “scummiest slot in the thread” and if so, why have you never voted them?

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guess who?

~yang

Spoiler:

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I also fundamentally disagree with the idea that the onus lies on everyone else to explain why they're townreading any particular slot, in the absence of anything resembling a smoking gun for any given slot. Most of the game is town. The onus is on the people who want a lynch to go through to provide compelling arguments for why that lynch is the best, NOT encourage town apathy/laziness by suggesting that "oh hey, you might as well just jump on this wagon because it's D1 and you don't have a defensible reason to townread anyone".

Stop hiding behind this notion that people need to explain their scumreads more than they have - everybody has gone in depth on scumreads on the wagons in question. Instead of asking for people to take a step back, is there anything you can point to that makes the wagons bad to you? Who would you rather lynch? And yes you really need to have an answer for that question this far into the game

Yeah no.

Is this GiF? I feel like it's GiF, given the hydra slip that happened right afterwards?

Assuming it's GiF, I'll forgive your ignorance. Your questions make sense, they really do, and almost make me give you town credit for them. Almost.

I'll educate on me. By this point in the day, yes, I absolutely do have opinions on various slots. Will those opinions be shared in any explicit way, without something jumping out at me as indicating that someone is probtown/probscum with a much higher degree of certainty than most people wait for before they vomit out reads(such as the team RWBY conditional miller claim, which is still sorta on the edge, but serves as an example)?

No. No they will not be.

I've given complete control over who we shall push etc. to my partner; if she comes to me with a scum read on someone that makes sense to me, I will absolutely tear them apart, but until that happens I'm going to continue identifying town, and demanding that people follow the examples of SD's 1960 and Team RWBY's whatever post it was and actually say things that aren't useless fluff to justify their reads.

Because here's the thing.

I could say the things that ping me about people, or the things that make me think someone might be town, and outline all this for you...but at this stage, it would be the exact type of fluff that I'm bitching at everyone else for, and I'm not a hypocrite.

If you want to engage about a specific subject/slot, I'm quite willing to have a discussion about them, but you're not going to get anything more than my surface level thoughts without giving me the opportunity to see how you approach the discussion, and what conversations are valuable to you.

In other news. I had a moment of idiocy and just looked at the time when the day ends, and when Neenie's VLA counter is done, and forgot that friggin Alonzo replaced Neenie. Alonzo, have you done anything that's actually useful yet? Are you caught up yet?

Did anyone direct any questions to me? I sort of spent the weekend in my toothache fugue state actively lurking and didn't actually note anything that I wanted to reply to, except for this because I wanted to be snarky about it. ^^
-Cerb

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if i said there are mysterious mechanical reasons as to why i don't want to lynch lightning rn would you all take ur votes off of them?

Are those mechanical reasons strong enough that getting those votes transferred to you would be okay?

-Cerb

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We will be catching up later today

Cool.

When you do I'd very much like Baezu to let me know what game we played together/what game of mine they read that let them draw a conclusion about my skill at mafia.

-Cerb

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The Worst replaces nomnomnom.

Hey Duck. You had better be town here. <3

[Reasonably Clever]

I think you'll townread me once you realize who I am.

I think the worst will townread me once he realizes who I am.

Can I join?

I also think the worst will townread me once he realizes who I am.

~ Someone who isn’t Cerb

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Here's something to think about, Ducky.

Brown's locktown & Wiisp keeps calling her scum for awful reasons.

I think Brown is more likely town than not but I think it’s way too early to call any slot, “locktown” yet. However, I’m so far the most confident on RWBY, Dann and probably Chemist due to their predecessor being really townie.

I didn’t like Brown implying PB cared at all about how he looked, when I think the opposite is true. But even if he is wrong about Brown, I don’t necessarily see how that makes him scum here?

I think there are better lynches than Wiisp today.

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Duck, given we have rolled opposing factions in every single game except two (one of which you replaced out of, the other of which I immediately died in), what would you say the chances are that you're scum this game?

-ws

What kind of question is this?

I just lost my townread on RWBY.

Ank asked me a similar kind of question earlier. Not sure why that would affect your read on them that strongly?

Yeah, it’s a really weird question but is it necessarily scummy? I’m gonna say no.

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I think everyone in this game is severely underestimating what Wiisp is capable of as scum. He reminds me of someone like Flavor Leaf, who spams the thread a lot to the point where you eventually townread something he says but none of it's actually town when you look closer.

This is something else I've said about Wiisp for you to think about, Duck.

Do you have meta on scum!Wiisp? I don’t think you can read Wiisp the same way you read Flavor unless you have meta that supports it?

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0% BRO WBU

0% too, does that mean we can be masons together this game? :3 :3 :3

ws

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No but Blake might lol

-ws

I didn’t know Ank and Pap were mindmelding.

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tw how confident is that id read and do u think their iso is town???

i was strongly SRing papyrus earlier but like someone in the rwby hydra ID'd them and is super confident town on it for meta reasons and like itd be nice to see someone else's meta read there because as of right now i trust that meta read better than what i had

Now that I know who they are and after reading a recent scumgame of theirs, I’m leaning town since they were so clearly obvscum in that game.

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I'm going to guess Wiisp, Sky, Vedith, & one of GoT/SD/RC as the team.

Despite being a common scumread, I actually like SS. I don't have any strong reason for thinking this but I feel uncomfortable about the idea of lynching him today.

Okay, I’ll bite. How are we scum here? I don’t understand how you sr SD over SS. And why isn’t Roster anywhere in your POE?

You were tr me before I disagreed with your Wiisp scumread, so other than that, what’s changed for you?

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at this point, I see no point in talking with Papyrus, in terms of his read on me from my perspective, because whatever answer I give, will always lead to a response in the form of "no u", and its not going to help me move forward with this game, and I don't want to dwell into the realms of omgusing him because of his tunnel on me, which for the most part, I can't defend, because he attacks my posts in a very broad as well as egotistical way

[...snip...]

as well as, I'm not going to go out of my way to prove to my town lean, why I am town, I will continue to evaluate this game regardless of his tunnel on me, but he's definitely not making it any easier

im p sure i made a post exactly like this as frustrated town once

I’m liking Sky better than Pap rn.

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@the worst: the scumteam is Sky, Hot Lightning, GoT and rosterfoster. If I'm wrong in any of these (I'd bet Sky is the one I'm wrong but I don't think I'm wrong), the remaining scum would be Alonzo.

Wanna hang out now? The game's solved already

I still think Hot is a mislynch. I have a weak tl on Alonzo. Well I’m trying to decide between Roster and SS. I don’t know what to think about Sky. Some of her posts have pinged me but her recent posting is making me question that. However, in my experience earlier reads > later reads. Still, I think Roster or SS are better votes today. On your list, I will vote anyone but Hot to avoid a no lynch. McQueen is common mislynchbait, so not a good D1 lynch in any case,

I caught scum!Arianne in Excalibur, scum!Jaylow in ND and tw in SC 1 and then Dann and tw successfully pocketed me. :/

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I'm going to guess Wiisp, Sky, Vedith, & one of GoT/SD/RC as the team.

Despite being a common scumread, I actually like SS. I don't have any strong reason for thinking this but I feel uncomfortable about the idea of lynching him today.

You're tunneling Wiisp.
You're right on Sky.
Why Vedith? But interesting take.
The one in those three is GoT.

Sort of null on Vedith, another slot I don’t want to lynch today.

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Decent reads

I really don’t think Brown is scum though.

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I guess I'll talk about Wiisp a bit. I think he's open wolfing in the same way that FL or RC tend to do, and I'm worried that if I don't get him lynched he's going to win this game. This is what I'd like people to think about:

Spoiler:

1. He's clearly a confident & tryhard player with a lot of experience. He wouldn't stop talking about how great he is earlier in the game. Yet everyone keeps underestimating what he's capable of. Why? If he's as good as he says, why aren't you holding his town game to a higher standard?

2. He's posting more than healthy for the game until he got called out for it, & it makes me think he's following this strategy -- https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... tichora%29 -- when it comes to how much he posts & the way he's posting.

3. I think he's been pushing superficial narratives & waiting to see if they stick. He did it when he called me scum & dropped that when nobody agreed. He did it when he called Brown scum, dropped it when nobody agreed, & then started pushing again when Brown started getting more pressure for her Neenie read. I don't see Wiisp developing natural or genuine reads.

4. The way he reacted to Brown's reasoning on Neenie felt fake & scum motivated. I'm confident Brown's town based on the way she's read this game with a fine-tooth comb, and her read on Neenie was thoughtful & unlikely to come from a scum perspective regardless Neenie's alignment. Yet Wiisp says this reasoning comes from scum Brown? I find it extremely unlikely that a townie would read Brown's reasoning on Neenie & come to the conclusion that Brown's scum.

5. I don't know how to explain the biggest reason for my scumread other than saying that there's a lack of town tells. It's hard to explain this but it's essentially how I've been able to locktown RC in games where he's town while having him as null or scum when he's actually scum. Wiisp has a certain style of play where he posts a lot of unrestrained reactions to the game, and that type of player when town usually has a trail of town tells whereas as scum it tends to be a bunch of null. And Wiisp has a bunch of null & no town. For a confident & tryhard player like Wiisp, this is a massive scum tell.

I recently read that article too and I really don’t see how Wiisp’s play here constitutes “open wolfing”. Again, you can’t metaread Wiisp based on either FL or RC. Have you metachecked Wiisp yet? Because you really should if you’re going to use comparisons with Flavor and RC as a valid reason to scumread him.

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Was just pondering 2213, It is reachy but I still think im gonna make pap my top TR here

2213, definitely sounds like the kind of post, that town!Pap would make but if he honestly thinks Wiisp is open wolfing here, than he clearly misunderstood that article. Open wolfing: see scum!TPFKAP in Labrynth for a really good example of that.

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I top post every game to be fair, so he's wrong that it makes me scum, if anything outside Dragonball super game #2, where i was close to top posting as scum, as scum I more so post less, there is no reason to tunnel myself on anyone, or produced "bad" scum reads as he sees them

@RC
I thought long and hard about Brown eyes, and my previous case on him, and I like my conclusion, whether it wrongs or not, idk, but I'm happy voting any of SS, hot, roster, GoT, or Brown

With a deeper preference on SS,Brown, and Roster

I prefer Roster or SS, I’m not convinced Brown is scum.

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Decent reads

I really don’t think Brown is scum though.

I don't think either, that's why I said decent. I would change Sky with Brown and Wiisp' reads would look really like my own reads.

By the way, your "Mcqueen is always lynchabait so

not a good lynch on D1

" is not a good enough argument. The content of that hydra is underwhelming at best, scummy as fuck at worst.

If a slot tends to more often than not be mislynchbait, I think it is a reasonable argument to not lynch there on D1.

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Do you have meta on scum!Wiisp? I don’t think you can read Wiisp the same way you read Flavor unless you have meta that supports it?

You don't need meta to tell what kind of player he is.

You compared him to both Flavor and RC, which you do have meta on, correct?

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I mean, I'm pretty sure you *might* get lynched today wiisp, but it's like, super unlikely, especially if you're actually scum and therefore have teammates you could talk out of bussing you.

So yes, any votes on wiisp are, imo, mostly wasted right now, but I appreciate seeing people on the record.

Fuck I had something else I noticed and wanted to comment on, but no idea wtf it was. I'll be back when I figure it out.

-Cerb

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VOTE: Something Smart

on reread, GoT and SS being both scum is extremely unlikely, GoT has been on his ass all game
She has said some low-key shade, and again, the "checking-in" post, which I find scummy, definitely not enough open-wolfing coming from the Chelsea head so far

quite sure we are about to see W/V wagons grow

SS has more scum!equity then GoT imo

I’m no longer convinced on SS scum. However you read Roster, I don’t really see the scum motivation in SS defending him like that. Unless you think they’re S/S?

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Pink ball is scum. Discuss.

VOTE: Pink Ball

Maybe...

They have all the right reads with none of the working out shown...

I'm bussing all my partners to look townie, join the GoT wagon and you'll get scum 100%!

Can you explain why you are so sure of GoT scum?

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Alonzo don't listen to Wiisp, he's my partner, that's why I'm "townreading" him! Lynch GoT!

Can I be your partner too? Cerb doesn’t spend enough quality time with me and it makes me feel unloved and abandoned.

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Inb4 Cerb saying "this is absolutely anti town, you idiot"

Ok sorry I will stop that kind of posts Cerb.

You didn't have to go that hard on me Cerb, geez

Sorry not sorry.

~Not Cerb

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I’m liking the new omnom

I think he's the worst.

~Ruby

Agreed but we still love him anyway.

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RWBY that's impressively anti town, stop it right now in the name of love

Spoiler:

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We're not lynching SS today

I CONCUR!

+1

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@SS
then you just die here

Do you always play as though you own the town?

YES I do, because I'd rather lose because I am wrong than lose because everyone else is wrong

@dann
no thanks, I'm not sitting on this fairy-tale bullshit, where bad play is ok, because of META, especially when I am trying to actually solve this game, and everyone one of my reads get fucking shit on

Bad play is obviously never ok but it’s unfortunately a really. SS’ earlier play was very scummy but his recent posts, don’t really make too much sense coming from scum.

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Okay so get started

Where are the wolves, who are they pushing, why?

In the players that are not {S_S, GoT}, pushing S_S and GoT, so they can get mislynches...?

I think you’re making unfounded assumptions here. Tell me why so you’re convinced on GoT town?

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I wonder how many more times people will ask Something_Smart for reads D1

so give me scum SS meta then, tell me what he does? from what I'm getting is he doesn't give reads as either alignment?

He has given reads.

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@Brown
ok ill read your thoughts on Sky in a second, who else is in your PoE?

This is what it looked like last time I updated it. It's not ordered.

Spoiler:

Town:
NeenieKit
nom
Dannflor
Team RWBY
Papyrus
Roster
-? line-
Wiisp
Chemist rep. Shiidaji
Pink Ball
Game of Throws

Scum:
Skygazer
Reasonably Clever
Something_Smart
Vedith
Hot Lightning
Shining Dreamers

Something I wanted to do was to look at what Papyrus' argument regarding you being scum was, actually.

also, I feel as if there was too much complacency with sky's lynch early on, like unless mafia are all sitting there thinking, "hey if we don't react, everyone will just move elsewhere"

I kind of hate these kinds of reads because I think they're very often misapplied. I'd call them kind of level 0 thinking, actually.

There are so many things that scum could be doing, unless you have some specific argument as to who scum is and why they're doing or not doing something, I think it's just speculation.


Not getting pushback doesn't mean you aren't voting scum.

Getting pushback doesn't mean that you have scum confirmed.


Oh, and for the record: even if scum were thinking "if we don't react, everyone will just move elsewhere", they were correct. That actually did happen.

I’m starting to lose my townread on you. Disagree on at least 2 of your scumreads besides us obviously. I’m starting to think if Sky is scum here, than maybe you’re her partner? I’ve seen scum distancing like this in a lot of games I’ve been in. In any case, this list doesn’t read like you’re even reading the game.

[Reasonably Clever]

@brown
also to be fair, I think the latter half of Sky's posts have been less coasty, and I've liked her thoughts, so w/e

That’s what’s pinging me about Brown’s my recent posting, she doesn’t seem to be re-evaluating. This is why I never vibed with the scumreads on you, because you clearly are doing that.

People need not to sr playstyle over content, which I think the scumreads on you seem to be mostly based on imo.

[Reasonably Clever]

Okay, I'm read up.

@the worst

– My ISO is a fairly short read, at least post-count wise. If you were to read it, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

--
I'm not a big fan of the Game of Throws wagon,

although some of my thoughts there are pending some people's responses.

What does this even mean? Sounds a bit hedgey?

[Reasonably Clever]

If my hydra's theory on who they are is accurate, probably town

Independent of that, they're part of a subgroup that I think is scum dense atm so it's a bit up in the air

I'm really not good at reading playstyles like that directly

-Blake

I initially hard townread them but their catchup looked like they are either deathtunneling or not reading the game.

I’m just no longer convinced that their Sky read is genuine. I think that’s the difference in how I’m viewing SD Sky read. Do you agree?

[Reasonably Clever]

Curious of

Everyones

thoughts on shining, or have we collectively decided to leave them for another day, because there ISO is also extremely lacking

I’m not interested in voting them today. I don’t even understand why they’re in anyone’s D1 POE.

[Reasonably Clever]

That slot is very resolvable

It doesn't matter if you believe they 100% kill this slot n1 or not, their kill patterns are predictable enough that it should be obvious from that alone

-Blake

In any case, they are a terrible D1 lynch.

[Reasonably Clever]

I townread it on first impression but as soon as I started reading I didn't really have a strong feeling on whether it was from genuine town or scum but it's probably slightly >rand town

Prolly not surprising but I'm town on you guys. I don't want to make this into HW v2 so I'll get myself more excited about this game so we can throw words at each other.

Yes, this is why Brown’s recent posts bother me. I don’t understand how anyone can have anything below a nullread on them at this point. They should definitely not be in anyone’s top POE at this point.

[Reasonably Clever]

your love

what's your read on brown eyes? do you think their reach out to me there was towny?

this wasn't asked of me but until recent posts of them, ive been a bit iffy. i dont follow the major meta-focus on

sky

being scum as i didnt see much meta nor do i know

sky

well enough to apply it.

i liked the counterpoints they made on

vedith

in 2373 2377 and its a reason why i dont think anyone in this hydra is townreading them.

their posts seem to stall and

vedith

is letting their townreads get pushed with 0 resistance, but they're not overtly pushing a scumread so it feels like their positioning in the game is very convenient to do whatever suits them.

them holding off on even giving a slight elaboration on their reads in 2104 scumpinged at least 1/2 or 3/4ths of this hydra because it went along with what we think they're doing as scum.

~

@Brown

- what do you think about

wiisp's

unvote in 2382 and

GoT's

ISO?

im fine with voting or lynching

GoT

rn... they're only responsive in this game when the topic is exclusively about them and their argument of the gamestate and wagons they dislike is both understated and focused on having problems with the playerlist's approach rather than what people are doing specifically.

~

im struggling to have a handle on

HL/Roster

because this hydra doesn't have a strong impression on either and everyone in the game thread has had a fluctuating and opposing opinion about them.

im just happy ive narrowed my lynchpool to 4 or even less people. i know theres scum in the townreads somewhere but im not looking at that until i resolve the slots i, and my hydra, are actually joining a scumread on

there's too much

"i got the scumteam"

solves on D1 and its all associative bullshit without any preemptive flip information. so i distrust it.

most of my D1 performances are either very strong or trainwrecks and this game is leaning on trainwreck so w/e...

ive picked up the pieces post-D1 tho, so there's hope.

~yang

I learned the hard way, the folly of thinking you have the game solved on D1. I absolutely learned my lesson with that.

[Reasonably Clever]

also hey quackers

<3

you get a cracker if you guess who this head is.

~yang

radiantcowbells is that YOU

mhm definitely a

kittybells

alt, always have been.

@Reasonably

the direction of our reads on

Brown

are literally inversed, can you tell me why their original focus on

sky

was town-motivated? or why you thought they were town? am i misreading them?

~RadiantCowbells

I didn’t and still don’t understand why anyone scumread Sky’s opening posts but I didn’t like a lot of them. She kept making a lot of excuses, seemed disconnected, wasn’t really engaging with the rest of the playerlist but recently she’s made some really townie-sounding posts. However, that was also true for Duck in SC1.

But I just no longer think her Sky read seems believable to me, unlike SD’s - who Brown just happens to have at the top of her POE, so it’s that as well. How can Brown be convinced at both Sky and SD are scum? SD’s Sky read looks clearly anti-partnery, if it should ever come to that. I just really can’t imagine a world where they are ever both S/S here, can you?

That’s why I don’t believe Brown’s reads make sense.

[Reasonably Clever]

P.edit. I’m not in any way suggesting here that I initially sr Duck for similar reasons as I did Sky. I had entirely different reasons for my tw scumread in that game.

[Reasonably Clever]

I think you’re making unfounded assumptions here. Tell me why so you’re convinced on GoT town?

That's the downside of quoting just the text you're responding to, rather than the whole post

If you jump back to the actual post you'll see that Chemist's post was in response to me saying I could easily see a world where GoT and I we're both town.

True, there isn’t any reason to think otherwise but then there also isn’t necessarily any reason that you both are. Iow, there’s not necessarily any correlation between yours and GoT’s alignment.

[Reasonably Clever]

@RC
I think his defense of GoT makes no sense from any alignment...

Yeah, I really don’t understand it either. I’m not convinced they are scum but I don’t see why anything they’ve done is townie either.

[Reasonably Clever]

Are you mindmelding with me about SD here?

[Reasonably Clever]

Yeah, I really don’t understand it either. I’m not convinced they are scum but I don’t see why anything they’ve done is townie either.

It's not based on their posts. It's more based on the fact that GoT and I have been the main wagons for a while and not one scum member has taken action to try to push one over the other (because nobody has). This is predicated on them having daytalk, which I hope they do because playing scum is way more fun with daytalk, but I think if GoT were scum the rest of the scum would have made (and acted on) the decision to either bus them or not.

I'm aware this is bullshit But who knows, maybe it will turn out to be right, and it would be awesome to develop an ability to do macro gamestate analysis like this.

I disagree with that analysis. I don’t see why scum couldn’t be hedging on that. Why are you assuming that scum would make that kind of decision early, especially if you’re assuming they have daytalk?

If they don’t and I have actually seen very few games, where this hasn’t been the case, then scum obviously can’t coordinate but if they do, most likely - then more reason why this analysis doesn’t really follow.

[Reasonably Clever]

I don’t understand what GoT is thinking here. They seem completely obvious to their wagon. I honestly don’t know what to make of that.

[Reasonably Clever]

I don’t understand what GoT is thinking here. They seem completely

OBLIVIOUS

to their wagon. I honestly don’t know what to make of that.

[Reasonably Clever]

@Papyrus: What's your essay count at now?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Clever]

Her biggest thing is that Sky is scum but I don't see a lot of reasons for that beyond her entrance—which was divisive—and the fact that she "really feels it's the best lynch."

There's more to it than that. Not many words, but I've linked before to the posts where I've tried to explain it best. To put a "large" reason concisely, I believe that the way Sky is engaging with the thread is fairly surface level in a way that comes from scum fairly often. I don't think that she's actually sorting in a natural way. The impression I get from her posts is that she's coming up with positions and then justifying them rather than the natural way that a townie reads the thread and reacts to what they read, resulting in positions they come up with.

Me feeling that Sky is a good lynch isn't really a reason for her to be lynched, I'm not trying to put it as one. Unless you think I'm someone who can generally be trusted on scumreads, I guess...

Brown, please don't snip pieces of people's posts for your quotes. It's incredibly annoying when someone removes all the context, as well as making it a huge pain in the ass to go back and identify the post it came from(and even the poster, as in this case at first I thought it was my post because they used similar verbiage as myself at the end of it, then I realized nope, somebody else had just used placed quotation marks around that same sentiment expressed by you). Like, I haven't even bothered to go back and find out what else they were saying that you were replying to.

Anyways.

Just...don't.

And if you ever do it to me, I will ruin your fucking day. Just saying.

<3

Now, something I'm curious about here: In a universe where Sky is scum, and she's coming up with positions nad justifying them...what is the objective of those positions? Clearly she's making up positions for some goal. In each of those cases, what goal, what scum motivation, do you believe she had?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Clever]

I didn't remove any context in what you quoted. That was literally Dannflor's entire post, and it was the one directly following the one I was replying to earlier.

I'm still likely going to cut out content that I'm not responding to when I reply to people in an effort to not have stupid quoteblocks distracting from what I'm trying to say and so that it's easier for other people to understand what I'm actually responding to. That doesn't mean that I'm going to cut out context, though – I generally try to avoid that.

I think we can both agree that if I'm quoting a post that addresses multiple people and deals with multiple subjects, it makes sense to quote the relevant part of what I'm actually responding to, right?

*nods* but it is an entirely different post, correct? Just keep the post number and attribution in there, please.

And use spoilers if you're concerned about "stupid quoteblocks". Make your post's footprint shorter, but the rest of the content and context easily available. It's such a simple thing, and it makes it way easier to follow everything.

Any response to the skygazer question I had?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Clever]

*nods* but it is an entirely different post, correct? Just keep the post number and attribution in there, please.

And use spoilers if you're concerned about "stupid quoteblocks". Make your post's footprint shorter, but the rest of the content and context easily available. It's such a simple thing, and it makes it way easier to follow everything.

Any response to the skygazer question I had?

-Cerb

It's essentially the same post. Nobody else said anything inbetween Dannflor's posts, and when I'm responding to multiple things separately from the same post I tend to do the empty quote tags, so I suppose I just treated it as two combined posts. This isn't a very important argument, though, so I think I'll just leave it here.


Thinking about the specific motivation behind Skygazer's reads is something I've been mulling over for a long time. I asked Papyrus about it earlier. It's not a simple question to answer, really, especially on Day 1.

I do think that in general the large-scale motivation behind almost any of her actions if she's scum is simply "try to look town". I don't think it's much more complicated than that. As for specific scum plans expressed through her positions, it's not so simple. In the first place, it's not necessarily true that Sky is going for

any

sort of "plan". I think very often people overestimate the degree to which scum plan out their actions.

At the very least, one conclusion I think is somewhat reliable that I came to earlier is that if Skygazer is scum, none of her scumreads have been on other members of the scumteam.


You have been playing a fair amount of devil's advocate for Skygazer. Do you townread her, or are you the "I don't have reads on Day 1" person? Not sure if I'm confusing you with Something Smart or if you both hold that position.

--

I'm uneasy about the sudden turn on Brown Eyes by a number of people after I expressed suspicion when I initially perceived her as a pretty widespread town read.

Nancy Drew seemed to turn her thoughts on me on a dime when I posted a list of reads that included Reasonably Clever in the "scum" pile.

Oh don’t even fucking try this. Have you conveniently forgotten my SD/Sky argument or is this deliberate shading?

[Reasonably Clever]

also hey quackers

<3

you get a cracker if you guess who this head is.

~yang

radiantcowbells is that YOU

mhm definitely a

kittybells

alt, always have been.

@Reasonably

the direction of our reads on

Brown

are literally inversed, can you tell me why their original focus on

sky

was town-motivated? or why you thought they were town? am i misreading them?

~RadiantCowbells

I didn’t and still don’t understand why anyone scumread Sky’s opening posts but I didn’t like a lot of them. She kept making a lot of excuses, seemed disconnected, wasn’t really engaging with the rest of the playerlist but recently she’s made some really townie-sounding posts. However, that was also true for Duck in SC1.

But I just no longer think her Sky read seems believable to me, unlike SD’s - who Brown just happens to have at the top of her POE, so it’s that as well.

How can Brown be convinced at both Sky and SD are scum? SD’s Sky read looks clearly anti-partnery, if it should ever come to that. I just really can’t imagine a world where they are ever both S/S here, can you?

That’s why I don’t believe Brown’s reads make sense.

Response to the bolded, BE?

[Reasonably Clever]

Spoiler:

[/quote]
I knew you would get the reference <3[/quote]

You know me so well. <3

[Reasonably Clever]

Spoiler:

I knew you would get the reference <3[/quote]

You know me so well. <3[/quote]

Fuck

[Reasonably Clever]

Spoiler:

lots of walls I have no context for. I just started flicking through it and realised I had a 0% chance of understanding what was going on without reading a lot of context around them

That's disappointing, I suppose I was looking mainly for your thoughts on the context. You have RWBY as town in 2402 – how much of the game have you read?

--

what's your read on brown eyes? do you think their reach out to me there was towny?

this wasn't asked of me but until recent posts of them, ive been a bit iffy. i dont follow the major meta-focus on

sky

being scum as i didnt see much meta nor do i know

sky

well enough to apply it.

My read on Skygazer isn't based on meta. I'm not sure why you think it is. It has nothing at all to do with meta.

@Brown

- what do you think about

wiisp's

unvote in 2382 and

GoT's

ISO?

I do find it noteworthy and somewhat suspicious that when being asked for a reason as to why he's voting me, he sort of sidesteps the question while backing off. I still don't know why he was voting me outside of "no content".

--

Spoiler:

@Brown
ok ill read your thoughts on Sky in a second, who else is in your PoE?

This is what it looked like last time I updated it. It's not ordered.

Town:
NeenieKit
nom
Dannflor
Team RWBY
Papyrus
Roster
-? line-
Wiisp
Chemist rep. Shiidaji
Pink Ball
Game of Throws

Scum:
Skygazer
Reasonably Clever
Something_Smart
Vedith
Hot Lightning
Shining Dreamers

Something I wanted to do was to look at what Papyrus' argument regarding you being scum was, actually.

also, I feel as if there was too much complacency with sky's lynch early on, like unless mafia are all sitting there thinking, "hey if we don't react, everyone will just move elsewhere"

I kind of hate these kinds of reads because I think they're very often misapplied. I'd call them kind of level 0 thinking, actually.

There are so many things that scum could be doing, unless you have some specific argument as to who scum is and why they're doing or not doing something, I think it's just speculation.


Not getting pushback doesn't mean you aren't voting scum.

Getting pushback doesn't mean that you have scum confirmed.


Oh, and for the record: even if scum were thinking "if we don't react, everyone will just move elsewhere", they were correct. That actually did happen.

I’m starting to lose my townread on you. Disagree on at least 2 of your scumreads besides us obviously. I’m starting to think if Sky is scum here, than maybe you’re her partner? I’ve seen scum distancing like this in a lot of games I’ve been in.

In any case, this list doesn’t read like you’re even reading the game.

That's funny. You can definitely tell from my posting that I'm not reading the game at all.

.

Clearly you haven’t, otherwise account for how you continue to ignore my SD/Sky argument?

[Reasonably Clever]

*nods* but it is an entirely different post, correct? Just keep the post number and attribution in there, please.

And use spoilers if you're concerned about "stupid quoteblocks". Make your post's footprint shorter, but the rest of the content and context easily available. It's such a simple thing, and it makes it way easier to follow everything.

Any response to the skygazer question I had?

-Cerb

It's essentially the same post. Nobody else said anything inbetween Dannflor's posts, and when I'm responding to multiple things separately from the same post I tend to do the empty quote tags, so I suppose I just treated it as two combined posts. This isn't a very important argument, though, so I think I'll just leave it here.


Thinking about the specific motivation behind Skygazer's reads is something I've been mulling over for a long time. I asked Papyrus about it earlier. It's not a simple question to answer, really, especially on Day 1.

I do think that in general the large-scale motivation behind almost any of her actions if she's scum is simply "try to look town". I don't think it's much more complicated than that. As for specific scum plans expressed through her positions, it's not so simple. In the first place, it's not necessarily true that Sky is going for

any

sort of "plan". I think very often people overestimate the degree to which scum plan out their actions.

At the very least, one conclusion I think is somewhat reliable that I came to earlier is that if Skygazer is scum, none of her scumreads have been on other members of the scumteam.

You have been playing a fair amount of devil's advocate for Skygazer. Do you townread her, or are you the "I don't have reads on Day 1" person?

Not sure if I'm confusing you with Something Smart or if you both hold that position.

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I'm uneasy about the sudden turn on Brown Eyes by a number of people after I expressed suspicion when I initially perceived her as a pretty widespread town read.

Nancy Drew seemed to turn her thoughts on me on a dime when I posted a list of reads that included Reasonably Clever in the "scum" pile.

I don't *share* my reads on D1, at least, not explicitly, unless someone has what I find to be a very compelling reason(without notable counterarguments) to believe them to be town.

I think my other head is neutral on sky? Lean scum on her before, and now neutral after she posted more? My primary purpose has nothing to do with sky, and everything to do with trying to figure out the reasons for the conclusions you've come to. Your posts have been fairly verbose, but they haven't really included reasons for reads that resonate for me/seem substantial in any way for any slot, which strikes me as unusual for posts that are clearly trying to not be fluff.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Clever]

Or Cleaver if they're being too murdery

Spoiler:

[Reasonably Clever]

@Brown
ok ill read your thoughts on Sky in a second, who else is in your PoE?

This is what it looked like last time I updated it. It's not ordered.

Spoiler:

Town:
NeenieKit
nom
Dannflor
Team RWBY
Papyrus
Roster
-? line-
Wiisp
Chemist rep. Shiidaji
Pink Ball
Game of Throws

Scum:

Skygazer

Reasonably Clever
Something_Smart
Vedith
Hot Lightning

Shining Dreamers

Something I wanted to do was to look at what Papyrus' argument regarding you being scum was, actually.

also, I feel as if there was too much complacency with sky's lynch early on, like unless mafia are all sitting there thinking, "hey if we don't react, everyone will just move elsewhere"

I kind of hate these kinds of reads because I think they're very often misapplied. I'd call them kind of level 0 thinking, actually.

There are so many things that scum could be doing, unless you have some specific argument as to who scum is and why they're doing or not doing something, I think it's just speculation.


Not getting pushback doesn't mean you aren't voting scum.

Getting pushback doesn't mean that you have scum confirmed.


Oh, and for the record: even if scum were thinking "if we don't react, everyone will just move elsewhere", they were correct. That actually did happen.

My point being, I don’t see how Sky and SD could ever be scum together, so it makes no sense to sr both of them, is obviously my point.

So, you should be tl one of them then? You disagree with that?

[Reasonably Clever]

@Brown
ok ill read your thoughts on Sky in a second, who else is in your PoE?

This is what it looked like last time I updated it. It's not ordered.

Spoiler:

Town:
NeenieKit
nom
Dannflor
Team RWBY
Papyrus
Roster
-? line-
Wiisp
Chemist rep. Shiidaji
Pink Ball
Game of Throws

Scum:
Skygazer
Reasonably Clever
Something_Smart
Vedith
Hot Lightning
Shining Dreamers

Something I wanted to do was to look at what Papyrus' argument regarding you being scum was, actually.

also, I feel as if there was too much complacency with sky's lynch early on, like unless mafia are all sitting there thinking, "hey if we don't react, everyone will just move elsewhere"

I kind of hate these kinds of reads because I think they're very often misapplied. I'd call them kind of level 0 thinking, actually.

There are so many things that scum could be doing, unless you have some specific argument as to who scum is and why they're doing or not doing something, I think it's just speculation.


Not getting pushback doesn't mean you aren't voting scum.

Getting pushback doesn't mean that you have scum confirmed.


Oh, and for the record: even if scum were thinking "if we don't react, everyone will just move elsewhere", they were correct. That actually did happen.

This is my worry with this post, you sound too certain. Either you are overestimating your reads or have a possible tmi? I don’t know which but

the only ones who could possibly 100% know this, would be the scumteam

.

[Reasonably Clever]

I think it is, and my meta is not just level 0 reads

I agree with Dannflor. What's the last meta read that you've seen used? That's a genuine question – I really can't remember many.

--

VOTE: GOT

Very much dislike this vote and its subsequent justification in 2449.

--

@browneyes, take a look at Papyrus’ case on Wiisp when you get the chance and tell me your thoughts

I read it earlier. I think the main point Papyrus made was pushing superficial narratives and waiting to see if they stick, which I could see. Speaking only from my own perspective, twice now he's voted me for (what I believe to be) somewhat flimsy reasons, and then when I explain myself or ask him for further justification he has backed off. I'm not sure if this is necessarily scum-indicative, however.

I'm not absolutely convinced, but it's certainly not something I'm going to forget.

--

@Brown Eyed Girl shalalala is Skygazer still your biggest scumread?

Yep, that's why I'm voting her.

Do you remember when, we use to sing

Can you link/quote those posts where Papyrus voted you? I thought he had you as a townlock?

[Reasonably Clever]

May I ask everyone to stop calling Reasonably Clever RC please? I keep forgetting that's the slot they are refering to and think they're joking saying something about our beloved mod.

Call them Clever, it's a cool nickname, you can get a lot of iterations out of it too.

So much this. Keep thinking people are talking to our esteemed modseal

Just call them both "Cerb"

I wanted to post the Supremes video, damn you Cerb

~Ruby

[Reasonably Clever]

@Brown Eyed Girl shalalala is Skygazer still your biggest scumread?

Yep, that's why I'm voting her.

Do you remember when, we use to sing

Sha la la la la la la la la la la te da, la te da

Yeah I was asking because since you said you're not reading the game and you look a little disengaged, maybe you forgot you were voting Sky and I want you to vote GoT

[Reasonably Clever]

@Clever
That was the same read I gave for Brown's town read on Neenie... TMI...

It’s definitely pinging me.

@Dann, explain to me why Brown is town and why you don’t understand the shift in reads on her, because I think it’s fairly self-evident?

[Reasonably Clever]

I seem to be quite popular for the near-lowest poster in the game.
--

My point being, I don’t see how Sky and SD could ever be scum together, so it makes no sense to sr both of them, is obviously my point.

So, you should be tl one of them then? You disagree with that?

I do disagree, in fact. I think it's perfectly logical that you could scumread two people and yet still recognize good reasons as for how they could not be scum together. The conclusion there is simply that if one flips scum, the other isn't scum. It doesn't mean that you have to preemptively townread one person.

That point is completely detached from any specific discussion of people in this game. As a matter of fact, though, I was considering moving SD back to town. I think my earlier paranoia may have been misplaced.

@Brown
Because I really don't want to sit on a train that I know won't get traction...
What's your opinion on GoT?

Anyways I'm back again

My thoughts on Game of Throws haven't changed from 2380. I know that this is the kind of read that I said that I disliked, but I'm very much not a fan of the way that the wagon built up. I don't think they're very likely to flip scum.

You didn't answer why you think I'm scum.

--

This is my worry with this post, you sound too certain. Either you are overestimating your reads or have a possible tmi? I don’t know which but the only ones who could possibly 100% know this, would be the scumteam.

I sound too certain where, exactly? Quoting the entire post isn't very helpful, unless you mean throughout the entire post...?

I make a specific effort to always clarify that the things that I say are simply my opinion, so I'm not sure how you can possibly say that I'm "too certain".

Is there some reason in specific that sparked this re-justification of why you find that post scummy?

You pretty much implied you KNOW people moved off of scumwagons. That reads tmi. You didn’t say you THINK that.

[Reasonably Clever]

I seem to be quite popular for the near-lowest poster in the game.
--

My point being, I don’t see how Sky and SD could ever be scum together, so it makes no sense to sr both of them, is obviously my point.

So, you should be tl one of them then? You disagree with that?

I do disagree, in fact. I think it's perfectly logical that you could scumread two people and yet still recognize good reasons as for how they could not be scum together. The conclusion there is simply that if one flips scum, the other isn't scum. It doesn't mean that you have to preemptively townread one person.

That point is completely detached from any specific discussion of people in this game. As a matter of fact, though, I was considering moving SD back to town. I think my earlier paranoia may have been misplaced.

@Brown
Because I really don't want to sit on a train that I know won't get traction...
What's your opinion on GoT?

Anyways I'm back again

My thoughts on Game of Throws haven't changed from 2380. I know that this is the kind of read that I said that I disliked, but I'm very much not a fan of the way that the wagon built up. I don't think they're very likely to flip scum.

You didn't answer why you think I'm scum.

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This is my worry with this post, you sound too certain. Either you are overestimating your reads or have a possible tmi? I don’t know which but the only ones who could possibly 100% know this, would be the scumteam.

I sound too certain where, exactly? Quoting the entire post isn't very helpful, unless you mean throughout the entire post...?

I make a specific effort to always clarify that the things that I say are simply my opinion, so I'm not sure how you can possibly say that I'm "too certain".

Is there some reason in specific that sparked this re-justification of why you find that post scummy?

Who do you think is the “near lowest poster”? Who are you referring to there?

[Reasonably Clever]

I think it is, and my meta is not just level 0 reads

I agree with Dannflor. What's the last meta read that you've seen used? That's a genuine question – I really can't remember many.

--

VOTE: GOT

Very much dislike this vote and its subsequent justification in 2449.

--

@browneyes, take a look at Papyrus’ case on Wiisp when you get the chance and tell me your thoughts

I read it earlier. I think the main point Papyrus made was pushing superficial narratives and waiting to see if they stick, which I could see.

Speaking only from my own perspective, twice now he's voted me for (what I believe to be) somewhat flimsy reasons, and then when I explain myself or ask him for further justification he has backed off. I'm not sure if this is necessarily scum-indicative, however.

I'm not absolutely convinced, but it's certainly not something I'm going to forget.

--

@Brown Eyed Girl shalalala is Skygazer still your biggest scumread?

Yep, that's why I'm voting her.

Do you remember when, we use to sing

Re: the bolded

[Reasonably Clever]

nancy

you are forever

cerb

now congrats

also

brown

, im having a difficult time seeing how

sky

has remained your strongest scumread since gamestart for 100 pages

are you going to reply to 2411?

hey

wiisp

are you just closing your eyes before you vote someone in the lower half of your reads or do you have a scumread you're most set on and are pushing that?

~yang

What did I ever do to you Taly?

Stop trying to mismember me!

[Reasonably Clever]

@Reasonably Clever

, I'd appreciate if you would respond to this:

Spoiler:

I townread it on first impression but as soon as I started reading I didn't really have a strong feeling on whether it was from genuine town or scum but it's probably slightly >rand town

Prolly not surprising but I'm town on you guys. I don't want to make this into HW v2 so I'll get myself more excited about this game so we can throw words at each other.

Yes, this is why Brown’s recent posts bother me. I don’t understand how anyone can have anything below a nullread on them at this point. They should definitely not be in anyone’s top POE at this point.

I'm not sure what exactly you're agreeing with in the worst's post here with regards to me...? What statement did he make that made you say "Yes, this is why Brown's posts bother me"?

--

@Clever
That was the same read I gave for Brown's town read on Neenie... TMI...

TMI implies Neenie is town, no? So, why would I bother coming up with some stupidly specific reason to townread her? Such a strange read like that is unlikely to get me townread, and as evidenced from what's happened so far,

has

not gotten me townread.

@brown eyes

Did you like any of my votes?

Hot Lightning, I suppose.

Why do you ask?

You pretty much implied you KNOW people moved off of scumwagons. That reads tmi. You didn’t say you THINK that.

No... I really don't think I implied that at all. I'm not sure what else I can even say in response.

Can you explain how you think my words in that post translate to

knowing

that people moved off of scumwagons? That certainly wasn't my intention.

I already answered that last part. Wrt to tw’s post, we were both clearly referring to SD. Are you not correctly reading my posts or just misrepping me? I honestly can’t tell at this point.

[Reasonably Clever]

Who do you think is the “near lowest poster”? Who are you referring to there?

It's referring to me. Just reread the sentence a few times.

that seems to be everyone elses reason for scumreading the slot... guess ill ISO you to look explicitly for your reasons on sky.

I would

very much

appreciate that. The rest of your questions can be answered in the same way.

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2518 – The "he" in that sentence is referring to Wiisp, the person that Dannflor asked me about and the subject of Papyrus' case.

Oh sorry, I guess I’m the one who misread this. Thanks for clarifying re: Wiisp/Pap thing. I thought I had missed something.

[Reasonably Clever]

I already answered that last part. Wrt to tw’s post, we were both clearly referring to SD. Are you not correctly reading my posts or just misrepping me? I honestly can’t tell at this point.

I don't feel like that's actually true? If you read the chain of the discussion the worst was having there, I think he's almost certainly referring to me. I don't think he made a single reference to Shining Dreamers in that post, and I think the worst would agree with what I'm saying if he were to be asked.

I also don't see how your post (2429) is referring to Shining Dreamers? Unless one of the "they"s that you have there is meant to be a reference to them.

I don’t care what you believe. I was referring to SD.

[Reasonably Clever]

I already answered that last part. Wrt to tw’s post, we were both clearly referring to SD. Are you not correctly reading my posts or just misrepping me? I honestly can’t tell at this point.

I don't feel like that's actually true? If you read the chain of the discussion the worst was having there, I think he's almost certainly referring to me. I don't think he made a single reference to Shining Dreamers in that post, and I think the worst would agree with what I'm saying if he were to be asked.

I also don't see how your post (2429) is referring to Shining Dreamers? Unless one of the "they"s that you have there is meant to be a reference to them.

I don’t care what you believe. I was referring to SD.

and clearly, so was tw.

[Reasonably Clever]

I'm okay with the wagon because that slot's unreadable

-Blake

this slot is also very readable

-Blake

???

[Reasonably Clever]

:shrug:

You have more heads than our hydra

this slot is also very readable

-Blake

???

-Blake

Because GoT can’t count?

[Reasonably Clever]

cld you check how taly is approaching this game differently to SC2 for me?

TW unless you can explain to me how their conditional miller claim makes much sense/can be perverted into actually being a scum claim that wouldn't get them caught outright the moment someone took an action targeting them, I don't think you need to waste time sorting RWBY.

js.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Clever]

Because GoT can’t count?

No I can count.
We are actually 3-headed hydra and y'all were all bamboozled.

So 9 are alts? So, Maria, Dunn and GIF.

[Reasonably Clever]

duckling carry me

I literally can't even atm and taly is confusing me in the hydra PT

-Blake

Welcome to my world in SC 1.

[Reasonably Clever]

ya I'm working on towncoring too

Nancy should I be townreading you?

No, absolutely not.

Wtf kind of question is that?

Actually Duck. help me sort Cerb. I keep going back and forth on my read of him.

His posts in our hydra PT read kind of agenday to me. Should I be worried? You think he could possibly be pocketing me?

[Reasonably Clever]

I've literally never played with chemist before and afaik nobody else in my hydra has a read on them either? at the very least nothing has majorly stood out that I remember

brown eyes has a playstyle I can't read very well

I actually feel like reasonably clever is scum, I posted that in the hydra pt a while back (or maybe our S E K R E T discord channel or in PMs with taly) but I don't think I've actually posted that here until now

-Blake

Is this going to become a pattern with you now, Ank? :/

[Reasonably Clever]

VOTE: Reasonably chlever

Nancy if I'm upside down on you I need you to help me see it.

Why are you voting me? She wrongly scumread me in a recent game.

[Reasonably Clever]

her history of reading you doesn't directly impact on how she has or will read you this game, like ank learns from her bad reads as well

she has a 10% read rate on me and I've used that argument to defend both my town and scum selves fairly recently so it's not a stance I can put a lot of stock in

what have you done that's town indicative this game?

Is this directed to me? I think it should be really obvious by this point. You were spectating in MD right? So, I’m at a complete loss how anyone who read that game could be scumreading me here. That goes double for Ank btw.

[Reasonably Clever]

no I didn't actually, FG ignored my in to spectate. could you throw me a couple of points here where you've been outside of your scumrange IYO?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=78670&user_select%5 ... start=1000

I want you and especially Ank to tell me how my play here is even remotely similar to that game, so far.

[Reasonably Clever]

this is a rabbit hole I really don't think would be productive to continue on

-Blake

Why not? I don’t want to be an enigma in this game. I know my alignment, so not worried.

NGL, having people whom I expect to be able to read me, is somewhat disheartening but meh.

[Reasonably Clever]

VOTE: GAME OF THROWS

didn't realise were hugging deadline either
this wagon still feels right.

While I’m not tr GoT, I haven’t seen a lot of resistance to that wagon, except maybe from Brown but if GoT is scum, they seem to be rolling over. I’m concerned that scum may be either bussing or they’re a mislynch. I will vote them rather than no lynch, since I hate the other wagons even more.

There’s a good reason I hate D1s so much. If it was up to me, I wouldn’t start playing any game until D3. I’d just be a paragon until then.

[Reasonably Clever]

don't worry, I'll get my read on you right. I have insufficient data rn but it's struck me that you're not a good lynch.

So, you did try to ISO me then? You could see the obvious difference then, yeah?

[Reasonably Clever]

I have a theory

I will not state my theory

-Blake

being very helpful

About GoT or their wagon?

[Reasonably Clever]

@mod, can we have an updated VC?

[Reasonably Clever]

responding to 2588

-Blake

About the font?

[Reasonably Clever]

probably on his shoulders

-Blake

William where's your head at?

Over my shoulders, as usual

:<
I hate that I like both of you so much

don't worry, I'll get my read on you right. I have insufficient data rn but it's struck me that you're not a good lynch.

So, you did try to ISO me then? You could see the obvious difference then, yeah?

no I haven't ISO dived you yet

So, why did you switch your vote then?

[Reasonably Clever]

responding to 2588

-Blake

About the font?

no about GoT and/or the wagon on GoT

-Blake

but also I can't see the font in any of my posts because Android mobile browser so I feel like a DANCING MONKEY FOR YOUR ENTERTAINNENT!!!

but that's basically me irl so whatever

Did you mean a different post then?

What about GoT/their wagon did you realize?

[Reasonably Clever]

I have a theory

I will not state my theory

-Blake

being very helpful

responding to 2588

-Blake

I think we're into the same theory.

Enlighten me please, because I’m totally not getting it.

[Reasonably Clever]

well the theory could be right or wrong

but the gamestate independent of it indicates pinkball!town

-Blake

2558 was about the font. You said it was about GoT/their wagon. How does PB fit into all of this and you must have got the post # wrong.

[Reasonably Clever]

look at the post number again nancy lol

-Blake

[Reasonably Clever]

responding to 25

8

8

-Blake

VOTE: GAME OF THROWS

didn't realise were hugging deadline either
this wagon still feels right.

While I’m not tr GoT, I haven’t seen a lot of resistance to that wagon, except maybe from Brown but if GoT is scum, they seem to be rolling over. I’m concerned that scum may be either bussing or they’re a mislynch. I will vote them rather than no lynch, since I hate the other wagons even more.

There’s a good reason I hate D1s so much. If it was up to me, I wouldn’t start playing any game until D3. I’d just be a paragon until then.

Ok, this makes way more sense. I have Dyslexia, I think I already told you that.

[Reasonably Clever]

My difficulty with reads mostly stem from this being a 100 page D1 and filtering through all the fluff and density with accuracy is both taxing and unlikely possible.

People have team solves that are all different and contradicting. There is a big pool of wagons that have failed ultimately for reasons as fickle as they began.

I've tried to pin down a good lynch that is a solid scumread but that hasn't worked.

So I'm putting emphasis on town hunting now.

~yang

I don’t tr GoT and have a bit of a tl on PB. But I would still like to hear your reasoning for your reads on those slots.

[Reasonably Clever]

Why aren't you voting SS?

Have you not been reading the game? SS recently made some really townie-sounding posts, so definitely a bad D1 lynch, in any case. I have a moderate townlean on him rn.

[Reasonably Clever]

Never seen Chelsea just roll over and die as scum... At least that's my take on this situation...

Complacency is the number one town killer as they say

@Clever
What are these super towny posts from SS?

Who is Chelsea?

Spoiler:

why?

Pushing PB would be an absolutely bizarre agenda to push as scum, so if he's scum he's doing it purely to look town.

...And I don't really see why anyone would ever give him townpoints for that.

Ergo, he didn't do it as scum, so he must have done it as town.

THE ONLY READ THERE I'M NOT COMFORTABLE ON RN IS HL!! HAVE YOU TALKED MUCH ABOUT WHY YOU LIKE THEM?

It's really not a townread and more of a "I don't feel comfortable lynching a hydra of two lynchbait players D1" read

I don't know I feel like those have been the only wagons for a while and the gamestate hasn't really changed much. That if anything would indicate that they are both town.

I voted them because they voted me off of something stupid.

I'm feeling worse about the vote now though. I think I mostly voted out of frustration anyway.

I gave like five townreads in 2261. If you mean that I don't give scumreads D1, then yeah pretty much.

Oh, fair point on Skygazer, I didn't realize her wagon persisted that long. (Idk what you mean with HL because they never really had a significant wagon.) I guess I always assumed that the Sky wagon would die down because it started so early on in the day and so I never really considered it a serious wagon. That could just be my way of thinking though, rather than the scum's.

It does make me feel slightly better about Sky though.

[Reasonably Clever]

One of the heads of GoT

I thought GoT was Maria/Dunn/GIF?

[Reasonably Clever]

Never seen Chelsea just roll over and die as scum... At least that's my take on this situation...

Complacency is the number one town killer as they say

@Clever
What are these super towny posts from SS?

Who is Chelsea?

Spoiler:

why?

Pushing PB would be an absolutely bizarre agenda to push as scum, so if he's scum he's doing it purely to look town.

...And I don't really see why anyone would ever give him townpoints for that.

Ergo, he didn't do it as scum, so he must have done it as town.

THE ONLY READ THERE I'M NOT COMFORTABLE ON RN IS HL!! HAVE YOU TALKED MUCH ABOUT WHY YOU LIKE THEM?

It's really not a townread and more of a "I don't feel comfortable lynching a hydra of two lynchbait players D1" read

I don't know I feel like those have been the only wagons for a while and the gamestate hasn't really changed much. That if anything would indicate that they are both town.

I voted them because they voted me off of something stupid.

I'm feeling worse about the vote now though. I think I mostly voted out of frustration anyway.

I gave like five townreads in 2261. If you mean that I don't give scumreads D1, then yeah pretty much.

Oh, fair point on Skygazer, I didn't realize her wagon persisted that long. (Idk what you mean with HL because they never really had a significant wagon.) I guess I always assumed that the Sky wagon would die down because it started so early on in the day and so I never really considered it a serious wagon. That could just be my way of thinking though, rather than the scum's.

It does make me feel slightly better about Sky though.

One of the heads of GoT

I've played with Wisp a lot and I'm pretty sure they're town. Reading more as speak
~Nanami

Which head is saying this?

@yang
Threats aren't nice :'(

Chelsea from MU head
~Nanami

Idk what her name is on MS, but on MU the nanami head is chelsea

Well, if Chelsea=Maria then Maria did pretty much jack to try to stop her mislynch in UtS, so maybe possibly town indicative then?

[Reasonably Clever]

we should probably get a claim?

Yeah, no one put GoT at L-1 before that.

[Reasonably Clever]

Maria is Chelsea yea

If GoT is scum, then do you think their buddies are just letting them hang?

Because I don’t really see a lot of resistance to this wagon and it worries me.

[Reasonably Clever]

I'm townreading a lot of the active players but the lack of resistance to the wagon is a little eerie

I'm not really sure what scum would do around this wagon regardless of GoT's alignment. But they don't feel well supported.

What do you think? Assume that's the reasonable head?

My point, exactly and no, it’s the Nancy head, Cerb signs everything.

[Reasonably Clever]

If GoT is scum, what do you think their partners would do? Think that someone beloved like me is pushing the wagon, so they don't have that much to do to defend their partner

I think it has less to do with you then GoT not really having done much to be tr.

[Reasonably Clever]

Bleh I’m not super excited about this wagon but it’s two days to the deadline and none of the other options have been super appealing. If this is town scum is probably just sitting back and lurking, they don’t have the obligation to do anything.

+1

Yeah, that’s where I’m at too but no lynch is still worse.

[Reasonably Clever]

Pink ball is scum. Discuss.

VOTE: Pink Ball

The last few posts he has been attempting to get everyone sidetracked by forcing team reads while saying nothing of consequence himself.

VOTE: GOT

I'm helping \o/

I don’t understand this, Roster. Why vote the wagon of your #1 sr or did you change your read on PB?

[Reasonably Clever]

iso wasn't very revealing

also do people prefer this lower case typeface for tonality?? it's super ugly compared to GLORIOUS ALL CAPS PAPYRUS!!!

Can’t you just use the papyrus font and type normally? No, ALLCAPS is even worse.

[Reasonably Clever]

I'd really love to know why

Roster

jumped ship on his random vote/push on

PB

then L-2'd

GoT

when that lynch got near. 2243 and 2244 2660

~yang

the flick on/off skyg was baffling as well

Yeah, something to definitely keep in mind, if Sky is scum.

However PB/GoT flip is still weirder. Does anyone have any meta on Roster? Is this scum indicative for him?

[Reasonably Clever]

are we about to last minute throw rope at

roster

?

the only defense ive seen for that slot is

Papy

when discussing meta i think, and

SS

argument that relies a bit on it not making sense to go after

PB

but the quick jump off

PB

for

GoT

and then weak vote when

Sky

was near a lynch doesnt look genuine.

also, whenever i look back at the following interaction i had with

Papy/Roster

at ending of Page 25 to Page 27 it tilts me a little

its one of the example interactions of why i had such a hard time drawing reads until the last 3 pages for awhile in this game.

~yang

Can you link the beginning and end posts of their interactions and what parts pinged you, specifically?

[Reasonably Clever]

I'd really love to know why

Roster

jumped ship on his random vote/push on

PB

then L-2'd

GoT

when that lynch got near. 2243 and 2244 2660

~yang

the flick on/off skyg was baffling as well

Yeah, something to definitely keep in mind, if Sky is scum.

However PB/GoT flip is still weirder.

Does anyone have any meta on Roster? Is this scum indicative for him?

[Reasonably Clever]

I've not been engaged in this game at all. For that I have to apologise.

Unfortunately it's impossible for you to get rid of me

.

???

[Reasonably Clever]

Also guys I'm a baffling player.

At some point I might come up with a good idea, and then we'll win.

You do realize there’s a wagon forming on you, right?

[Reasonably Clever]

Spoiler: Page 25-27, Roster+Taly+Papy Interactions Feat. PB/Wiisp

Nom, Vedith; Dan, you Wisp town. HL is scummy, though no posts since I caught up I think? I’m not getting many scumread a, soz.

Nom, Vedith; Dan, you Wisp town. HL is scummy, though no posts since I caught up I think? I’m not getting many scumread a, soz.

yo, this is virtually the same reads/thoughts you gave less than 200 posts ago

~yang

Surprising right?

VOTE: roster

not as much if you're scum.

~yang

For some reason I don’t remember SS’s posts. And you IDK because there’s so many.

Sorry but why would town me have many more reads when very few people other than those I read had posted?

Do you have any scum games, Roster?

Hi Taly. Wanna chat?

sure, ive been wanting that for 625 posts

Sorry but why would town me have many more reads when very few people other than those I read had posted?

im confident most, if not, the entire playerlist has posted

including people you havent mentioned... and people you havent mentioned have created content since your last few posts...

so the lack of substance reads as more of a deflection than uncertainty with reads

~yang

I don't see what's scummy about any of the stuff you're pushing, Yang.

Jungle republic. viewtopic.php?f=51&t=78634

Most of those posting were people I had mentioned, and yeah believe it or not I find most things NAI.

What's towny about the stuff I'm pushing?

~yang

p-edit

Hi Taly. Wanna chat?

sure, ive been wanting that for 625 posts

Did you solve the game already or that's only me?

like, every time i think ive made a solve this game

i get responses like 629

so im working uphill here bby

Roster's probably town.

Krazy's outside his scum meta at this point so I'd be very surprised if RWBY flips scum.

I know that I have at least one hot take that no one has ever thought and I'm pretty sure I'm right about it

spicy, do tell

this head's influence in the game is already at rock bottom so you got nothing to lose

~yang

p-edit

omg

ank

try to make reads k

<3

Roster's probably town.

and... why?

also, am i the only person that sees scum-motivation in them only reiterating a certain group of reads and doing nothing else?

What reads were you expecting to change, Taly?

i wasnt expecting on changing people's reads per se

i thought the reason i scumread

roster

was clear, and i made a valid question in why that's town

i feel like im talking in circles and i want someone to share thoughts with me -_-***

~yang

I'm sharing thoughts at my pace. I don't see what's scummy about having the same reads 200 posts later?

Go talk to your hydra buddies then.

I'm sharing thoughts at my pace. I don't see what's scummy about having the same reads 200 posts later?

1)

There is to justification for the reads, so there's no clue on his thought process behind them entirely. A sentence or two might fly but we're over 20 pages in.

2)

It HAS been 200 posts later, they've done nothing with their reads, and they're posting to fill presence instead of providing content.

3)

Multiple people - MYSELF INCLUDED - has spoken about their original catchup posts and they haven't really acknowledged that.

It's not particularly void of scum-motivation but I'm pushing to help myself solve the slot better.

Go talk to your hydra buddies then.

so instead of upfront engaging with me, you want to avoid that by telling me to ignore you, while you dont resolve or respond to any point ive generated...

this kind of instills the thought that you're deflecting conversation.

~yang

Maybe there isn’t a thought process?

@Taly

1. Justification is scummy for Roster. Lack isn't. Check the scum game he posted for better understanding.

2. Roster's posts don't fit your idea of "content" or "substance" but that doesn't mean they're substanceless, he just plays different than you.

3. Ignoring dumb stuff is towny for Roster. You tend to nitpick pointless stuff but that doesn't mean everyone else plays that way. I'm more like Roster, for example.

So who do you think is scum

Papy

?

Wisp

? Judging by your vote?

Was every point I made about them being scum pointless nitpicking too??

~yang

No, Wiisp. I'm reevaluating in light of Roster's behavior & the fact that TTTT apparently flaked from all his games.

I'm also concerned about Roster's survival because he's easily mislynchable as town & I don't like the growing pressure on him after he started posting, especially from you when a second ago you were calling me scum for voting him.

So who do you think is scum Papy? Wisp? Judging by your vote?

Yes, Wiisp. I think his push onto Roster after you started pressuring him was awful & opportunistic, and I don't like how he kept tunneling me with his overly mechanical interpretation of my replacement reasoning long after I addressed his concerns.

So who do you think is scum Papy? Wisp? Judging by your vote?

Yes, Wiisp. I think his push onto Roster after you started pressuring him was awful & opportunistic, and I don't like how he kept tunneling me with his overly mechanical interpretation of my replacement reasoning long after I addressed his concerns.

Actually, I thought the timing of

Wisp

discussing

Roster

in 520 after my post about

Roster

was a opportunistic 502, because they HAVE stated reads only after someone has originally said them first.

I didn't say anything because my other heads lean on

Wisp

being town to my understanding, and I'm trying to minimize dissonance. Plus, I'm starting to read reverse there because NOBODY has really discussed my posts about

Wisp

, and I'm questioning my perception.

But now, I want to know why you waited until 638 and 647 to defend

Roster

and vote

Wisp

, after I voted

Roster

.

~yang

ugh, i dont know why but im finding myself getting frustrated real quickly with this game, i feel generally alone with my opinions.

i appreciate my other heads and theyre really awesome but if I'M wanting to resolve a read, I'M not the only person unsure about that read within this hydra.

ill post later. im getting tired and ive spent more time than id like on mafia today.

~yang

*Synopsis In My Mind*

>Roster

fills the thread with posts oriented to presence. I vote and push him because of it.

>Roster

works to deflect from responding to my reasons.

>Papy

states all my reasons for pushing

Roster

are playstyle and nitpicking.

>Papy

votes

Wiisp

right after

Wiisp

votes

Roster

. 646 and 647

-

Got confbias-y when

Roster

kept proving my point.

-

Got frustrated when

Papy

said I was nitpicking at useless playstyle things

Somewhat rage-quit near the end because the background noise of these 1 1/2 pages were

Papy V Wiisp

while

Vedith

does nothing and

PB

baits a solve.

This was during the

Taly Tunnel Wiisp Saga

so I started to doubt my reads from all sides even though I was beginning to solidify townreads and scumreads.

Hence my posts that

Alonzo

apparently liked around

page 40-55

when I was hard-solving the game by shifting my approach to help my overall view which didn't work out too favorably. :3

~yang

Interesting, what do you make of this?

[Reasonably Clever]

what's scummy about him uncooked KFC?

-ws

Holy shit.

[Reasonably Clever]

No it's based on them being town!

Pink Ball is much scum.

VOTE: PB

Pink Ball has obviously read a bit of F+I and doesn’t mention the fact that I’m playing completely differently here.

Also the ‘way rope if you’re disengaged’ pains me.

We aren’t lynching Pink Ball today, so with the deadline close, this isn’t going to help us avoid a no lynch.

Anyone with meta, is this typical for Roster to be this completely unconcerned with the wagon on him, this close to EoD?

[Reasonably Clever]

He’s neither flailing nor rolling over.

[Reasonably Clever]

I never said I want to lynch PB?

Sorry, I don’t know how that quote got in there.

[Reasonably Clever]

That's just rooster I think.

So he’s like this as either alignment?

[Reasonably Clever]

Pink Ball has obviously read a bit of

F+I and doesn’t mention the fact that I’m playing completely differently here.

Also the ‘way rope if you’re disengaged’ pains me.

“F +1”?

[Reasonably Clever]

You're sweet to just want to include me \o/

VOTE: Rooster

I wish.

You really ought to include me as well.

[Reasonably Clever]

That's just rooster I think.

So he’s like this as either alignment?

From what I've seen.
I've just finished a game where we were scum together and he was a popular scum read from day 1, and never let it affect him.
He ended up winning LyLo 3p.

Oh but what about that “F+1” thing, where he says he’s playing differently. Do you have any idea what he’s referring to with that?

[Reasonably Clever]

It's "f+i" not "f+1" which is referring to fire and ice, a game that I guess ended... somewher?

here it seems -- viewtopic.php?f=51&t=79108

Just ISO’d him. Is it scum indicative for him to tryhard?

[Reasonably Clever]

Anyway, Nancy what's up with you this game?

-ws

I’m really lost so far. And I really don’t fully understand the mercy thing. I’m pretty confident on some townreads but no hard srs as of yet. Hopefully, that changes with a few flips.

[Reasonably Clever]

Mercy is currently at 7 .[/color] Undertale Mafia Votecount 1.112: Rosterfoster (4): The Worst, Dannflor, Team RWBY, Wiisp Game of Throws (4): Something_Smart, Pink Ball, Alonzo, Rosterfoster Something_Smart (3): Vedith, Game of Throws, Skygazer Skygazer (2): Brown Eyes, Shining Dreamers Brown Eyes (1): Hot Lightning Wiisp (1): Papyrus Pink Ball (0): Hot Lightning (0): Alonzo (0): Team RWBY (0): Dannflor (0): Papyrus (0): Vedith (0): The Worst (0): Shining Dreamers (0): Reasonably Clever (0): Chemist1422 (0): Not Voting: Reasonably Clever, Chemist1422 With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch. The day ends (expired on 2019-04-21 00:00:00).

Less than 2 days to figure this out. I’ll vote the leading wagon to avoid a no lynch but not confident on who to vote for, which sucks. :/

[Reasonably Clever]

Is it the pagetop yet? We need an updated votecount.

[Reasonably Clever]

Pink Ball has obviously read a bit of F+I and doesn’t mention the fact that I’m playing completely differently here.

Also the ‘way rope if you’re disengaged’ pains me.

Probably.

Although when I manage it as town we win.

Unfortunately this doesn’t help me at all. Why should PB be able to accurately read you then? At the very least, you should realize your voting him for that makes 0 sense.

[Reasonably Clever]

I’m really lost so far. And I really don’t fully understand the mercy thing. I’m pretty confident on some townreads but no hard srs as of yet. Hopefully, that changes with a few flips.

I mean even in Excalibur and No Deadlines you still voted at some point... I understand not having a wealth of confident scumreads but even then this is kinda passive for you even compared to your more passive games

-ws

Excalibur isn’t a great example of anything due to the duel mechanic and with ND, yeah I did vote and I intend to. I said I don’t want to no lynch and I meant that.

[Reasonably Clever]

You should definately vote me to avoid a NL if you don't trust the other wagon as scum.

Does this sound like scum to anyone?

I’ll probably vote whichever one makes us no lynch. But this sounds like a weird thing for scum to say, this close to EoD.

Maybe GoT is a better wagon?

[Reasonably Clever]

what did I miss?

I don’t know who to vote for Duck. Please help.

[Reasonably Clever]

You should definately vote me to avoid a NL if you don't trust the other wagon as scum.

Does this sound like scum to anyone?

I’ll probably vote whichever one makes us AVOID no lynch. But this sounds like a weird thing for scum to say, this close to EoD.

Maybe GoT is a better wagon?

[Reasonably Clever]

what did I miss?

you were waiting to steal that pagetop, tell the truth

-ws

I could always post Safety Dance again.

[Reasonably Clever]

You should definately vote me to avoid a NL if you don't trust the other wagon as scum.

Does this sound like scum to anyone?

I’ll probably vote whichever one makes us no lynch. But this sounds like a weird thing for scum to say, this close to EoD.

Maybe GoT is a better wagon?

it's just wifom

*mastina gets triggered*

-ws

What has Mastina got to do with anything?

[Reasonably Clever]

RC

I will literally self-hammer to avoid a NL if it's what it takes. Don't feel bad about the lynch though!

Vedith is chaotic because he's not focussing on any one thing in particular.

I think this is flipping town. :/

[Reasonably Clever]

She just responds with hilarious incredulity whenever I say "wifom"

-ws

Oh.

RC

I will literally self-hammer to avoid a NL if it's what it takes. Don't feel bad about the lynch though!

Vedith is chaotic because he's not focussing on any one thing in particular.

I think this is flipping town. :/

Do you think Roster is WIFOMming with this? Would he really do that as scum?

[Reasonably Clever]

It’s OK. I will forever be here in your heart and in your head.

Why are you trying to convince me to vote you?

[Reasonably Clever]

Fuck it.

VOTE: GoT

[Reasonably Clever]

I think this is flipping town. :/

Don't give in to AtE... You're better than this.

Or maybe I’m trying to test you?

Pedit: Everything I’m saying is the truth.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Roster

[Reasonably Clever]

Everyone posting on this page (with the possible exception of tw) is town.

Why is tw scum?

[Reasonably Clever]

Possible exception rather than exception.

This really doesn’t answer the question. Why is he a possible sr for you?

[Reasonably Clever]

He’s not a TR.

Why?

[Reasonably Clever]

Another train has formed, interesting, how exactly are you going to get us to vote SD?

@Clever
Don't think Roster has done anything, idk why you are getting so conflicted

I’m usually conflicted on D1, I rely on flips. Otherwise I’m useless.

[Reasonably Clever]

Why are you guys voting SD? I don’t think they’re a great D1 lynch.

[Reasonably Clever]

I’m usually conflicted on D1, I rely on flips. Otherwise I’m useless.

Don't be harsh on yourself friend, you're not useless! :<

I’m not like our glorious mod who is good at finding early scumtells, unless it’s freaking obvious.

#modpocket

[Reasonably Clever]

Why are you guys voting SD? I don’t think they’re a great D1 lynch.

Because of who is in it, or because you think town?

A bit of both. I also think they’re resolvable later.

[Reasonably Clever]

A bit of both. I also think they’re resolvable later.

I think they have good chance to hit scum.
And my personal experience with Mastina is she hurts town more as town.

So I'm not at a loss there.
Thoughts of scum in SS/SD/Rooster/Chemist?

In that group: Roster/SD/SS/Chemist I think but not really happy with any of them. If it weren’t for what Wiisp said about Maria and the lack of resistance, GoT seems scummier to me than any of those.

@Pink Ball

not Pint

, what do you think?

[Reasonably Clever]

Do we have a pagetop yet? We really need an updated VC.

[Reasonably Clever]

damnit SS you ruined my plan to post, steal a pagetop, fall asleep, wake up, post again and steal the next pagetop.. so close

Blame the mod

NM

@mod, we need a new VC, asap! please.

[Reasonably Clever]

She is not a threat as scum while I'm alive, so there's no reason to lynch them today.

-Blake

Who should we lynch? We don’t have a lot of time left.

[Reasonably Clever]

I... I'm baffled. My biggest scumread right now is Reasonably Clever

Based on what?

[Reasonably Clever]

I’m in way too many game rn and I can’t focus on all of them but I have so much trouble saying no.

[Reasonably Clever]

I... I'm baffled. My biggest scumread right now is Reasonably Clever

Yup

Cerb needs to obvtown tomorrow

-Blake

Eh, probably won't since night will happen over the weekend, but who knows!

It is informative, however, that there *is* a level of lazy/busy that won't be accepted coming from me.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Clever]

Bleh I’m not super excited about this wagon but it’s two days to the deadline and none of the other options have been super appealing. If this is town scum is probably just sitting back and lurking, they don’t have the obligation to do anything.

Agreed

Btw

protective should be here tonight

does anyone else find this post weird

Thanks for the reminder.

I meant to poke HL about why they think any scum team would ever shoot them, or why any protective would find them worth protecting.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Clever]

Wait were they talking about themselves or Dancefloor there?

I'm pretty sure me.

Fair point.

I was thinking they were talking about themselves. Viewed as a request for protection on you, Dann, it's...less worth inquiring about until I figure out if that position makes sense for them.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Clever]

Two morw things:

I'll have limited access until Sunday, but I'll be enough time to look at the gamestate and change my vote accordingly.

2. By changing my vote accordingly I mean that I know that my vote Is almost a vanity vote because of how much time we have to begin a new wagon and get it done, but I lose nothing trying. If I see enough disagreement I'll go vote someone else. But my opinion stands: Clever is my biggest scumread, and if they're not the lynch, we could settle down on Hot Lighting

I think HL is a mislynch. I will fight you on that. You are wrongly sr me for being overgamed and exhausted. But whatever.

[Reasonably Clever]

‘

So when Blake said they had a theory, she said it right after I realized this behavior, so I thought she saw what I saw and I said "maybe you're thinking what I'm thinking". If I'm right, that makes GoT more likely to be town than scum, so I derailed the wagon to roster. Your behavior continued and even got somewhat confirmed with how you reacted to the change of wagon;

you didn't want to vote GoT, but when the wagon derailed, you didn't want to lose the chance of mislynching GoT

.

That's where I'm at right now.

VOTE: Reasonably Clever

The bolded in particular, makes absolutely no sense. According to you, I want to mislynch GoT but not vote them? How does that make any sense? And what makes you so certain they’re a mislynch? And I’m not even freaking voting them.

[Reasonably Clever]

I think HL is a mislynch. I will fight you on that. You are wrongly sr me for being overgamed and exhausted. But whatever.

Nancy, why is HL a townread? Before it looked like you were just arguing that the slot was lynchbait.

~Ruby

I don’t think it should be a D1 wagon, because McQueen gets mislynched like almost every other damn game.

[Reasonably Clever]

...

I meant to address that to Cerb. Sorry for dropping the ball on this joke.

[Reasonably Clever]

Oh no Alonzo took a blow to the head and isn't thinking properly! :<

I think he did the same thing in LNT.

[Reasonably Clever]

VOTE: reasonably cunning

If you build it, they will come.

If it wasn’t EoD, I’d probably prefer this over Roster.

[Reasonably Clever]

VOTE: reasonably cunning

If you build it, they will come.

If it wasn’t EoD, I’d probably prefer this over Roster.

u talking about urself or Alonzo?

Why would I prefer myself? I’m past the days when I throw a fit by self-voting like I did in that MU light game. I still have a lot to work on though. Sad to say.

Gun to head, I think Alonzo has way more scum equity than Roster, who I would probably unvote, if we weren’t so close to EoD.

Yeah, I’m not confident that’s flipping scum. Alonzo just keeps throwing his vote everywhere, which wouldn’t at all be suspicious if it wasn’t so close to EoD. I think he knows we’re not getting lynched and it’s anti-town of him to risk us potentially no lynching. PB otoh, probably just inhaled a little too much helium.

[Reasonably Clever]

Alonzo just keeps throwing his vote everywhere, which wouldn’t at all be suspicious if it wasn’t so close to EoD.

I don't really see why doing this at EoD is suspicious?

Because we don’t want to no lynch.

[Reasonably Clever]

Alonzo just keeps throwing his vote everywhere, which wouldn’t at all be suspicious if it wasn’t so close to EoD.

I don't really see why doing this at EoD is suspicious?

Because we don’t want to no lynch.

Doing this sort of thing early day, is pro-town, because it helps you test reactions to different wagons but just derails the game this close to deadline.

[Reasonably Clever]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alonzo

[Reasonably Clever]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alonzo

Better vote than Roster, anyway. I have had this bad feeling that he’s a mislynch that I just couldn’t shake and I’m usually right about these things. It’s really not that hard to distinguish between lhf and scum and Roster has lhf, written all over him.

[Reasonably Clever]

Alonzo

is the first person that comes to mind for vote hopping the past few pages? Really?

~yang

Who do you prefer? I think Roster screams mislynchbait to me.

[Reasonably Clever]

VOTE: Alonzo

I did have this in the back of my mind.

Friendly reminder that I am perfectly willing to self-hammer and will be around tomorrow.

What do you mean?

[Reasonably Clever]

VOTE: Alonzo

I did have this in the back of my mind.

Friendly reminder that I am perfectly willing to self-hammer and will be around tomorrow.

What do you mean?

Are you lynchproof or something?