Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[Vecna]

Only 3 townguns. Clearly firebringer is scum else it would be 4 townguns

VOTE: firebringer

[Vecna]

I think Farside is getting worried because we already caught their scumbuddy

[Vecna]

hes the fifth town gun

[Vecna]

VOTE: ABR

No spite, no hard pushing to be townleading this crap. Too fluffy and following.

Lets lynch the beard

[Vecna]

Tentatively, I’d say farside, Something_Smart, firebringer, ABR, and votato are all town. Least confident on ABR there, but I have no real experience with him first hand so I may be incorrectly reading him playing in a fairly relaxed manner as him being town. Which I know is the opposite of his reputation, but I think scum!ABR may feel more pressured to act in line with his high pressure reputation, thereby making his relaxation actually in favour of town him.

Farside, what do you see in paragon that’s townie? I have something gut pinging me town there but not enough for me to really call the slot as town.

Lilith I’m holding back on for now, not sure.

Chkflip is my top for scum among the posting slots, but I want to interact more there. They may not be a bad lynch even if town.

All the other slots haven’t produced enough content yet to be read.

Or maybe his town style is so hyper weird and over the top it is impossible to fake?

[Vecna]

Hmm, momo is posting a elsewhere on site but chose not to respond to his role PM in this game. Also, firebringer appears to be happy. I’m moving him out of my townreads and into my probable scum group.

Whose alt are you? The initial guess was RC but you dont sound like an RC.

Anyways, this reasoning feels like something I can agree on. Somewhat.

[Vecna]

Okay, DonSirloin is my strongest townread

This slot also feels very town based on posting style

[Vecna]

I'm not actually sure whether scum want to shoot for roses or guns. Shooting for a rose poses a decent chance of the shot being wasted, while shooting for guns are guaranteed kill-shots. I think it depends whether the rose elimination strat is viable, and I don't think it really is based on the number we have. Gun claims are probably just free shots for scum.

If we mass claim, scenario 1 or 4 never happens for obvious reasons. Scum are gonna claim so they don't confirm one of the pools. 2 would probably claim rose, and the other gun. Technically you can try and lynch the gun to clear the other guns, but I really don't think the payoff is worth it.

Depends on the scum skill level really, no? Skilled scum: -> choose mass guns for N3 or N4, win there

Weak scum? Fear gunshots and dont realise town will mostly just pick roses to not get auto gamed, pick mostly roses for N1/N2

[Vecna]

There are 8

Town

Roses

remaining.

I have something in mind to give us a slight edge. Will talk about it later.

So the plan is simple, we know we have 8 townies with roses, that means there's three with guns.
So one by one we just claim whether we have a gun or not. No need to claim what night it will be used on. That way we basically get 3 ICs and reduce the lynchpool by 3.

bad, bad bad bad post

[Vecna]

So the plan is simple, we know we have 8 townies with roses, that means there's three with guns.
So one by one we just claim whether we have a gun or not. No need to claim what night it will be used on. That way we basically get 3 ICs and reduce the lynchpool by 3.

I see a flaw in your plan! What stops 1 of the scum from claiming gun? Do you still lynch in the guns aiming to hit them?

If you were joking, I apologise and give you permission to berate me.

Scum either choose to give us 3 ICs or put themselves in the lynchpool. If all 3 scum choose to claim having a gun then we can make the 3 shoot the other 3.

This post really is devoid of thought, and assumes scum are all in the bottom 10% of players.

Scum simply have 1 person claim a gun and 2 person claim a rose. Our chances of finding scum in either of these pools are still =~= random while scum now has a roadmap to victory regardless of their actual picks

There, I gave them the optimal strategy so we can put this dumb discussion to rest.

If you really thought scum with pre-game chat hadnt figured that one out, then youre underestimating them to such an extent that we shouldve caught them all already.

[Vecna]

do people think this is an actual plot by scum or just like a strategy u disagree with? because saying its a plot by scum is kind of stupid if u ask me.

I suggested the exact same thing.

Such a cheeky post

[Vecna]

i have a rose

Scumclaim! (but we already knew that)

[Vecna]

I have a lot of stuff going on rn so I plan to return to this game and look at other players, farside.
Lilith town has solidified.
DonCorleone is a town lean.

I'm suspicious of the players who have been doing more setup solving then scumhunting, like Paragon and knightmare.

Seems like a genuine enough post. I like cakez here

[Vecna]

I have more solving than setup-spec in my ISO, Cakez! I implore you to look again.

What about Something_Smart's reaction to you was weird? Is your solidified read beyond what you explained in 77?

I feel like I'm going in circles talking about this S_S read and I'd like to move on

Hmm, alright.

Very odd succession of posts here. Someone makes a statement, you counter it and ask them to look again, they reply they wanna move on due to a non-related matter and youre just like "ok".

weird

[Vecna]

I don't understand what farside is doing here

In sorting through reads quickly and effectively.
Want to help?
VOTE: venca
Why are you actively lurking?

Surprised noone else noticed

[Vecna]

Icon and Vecna's playing sure would be nice.

<3

[Vecna]

i have a rose

Scumclaim! (but we already knew that)

yeah man, I claimed scum in my fourth post. aren't u slow on the uptake

Why did you take that serious again?

[Vecna]

exactly my point, fluffles

[Vecna]

Townreads:
Vecna
chkflip
eyestott
Knightmare491 (debatable, but unless scum really has a strong plan, I dont think the way he has pushed it would be a scum hill to die on)

Maybe 1 scum:
SirCakez
lilith2013
farside22
DonCorleone
votato


Suspected pool of 2 additional scum
Paragon
Firebringer
Iconeum
Something_Smart
Paragon

Scum
Albert B. Rampage

[Vecna]

woah ive been logic looped to insanity.

u win this round vecna

I also feel town-you would be scumreading me after this mediocre catchup

[Vecna]

Townreads:
Vecna
chkflip
eyestott
Knightmare491 (debatable, but unless scum really has a strong plan, I dont think the way he has pushed it would be a scum hill to die on)

Maybe 1 scum:
SirCakez
lilith2013
farside22
DonCorleone
votato


Suspected pool of 2 additional scum
Paragon
Firebringer
Iconeum
Something_Smart
Paragon

Scum
Albert B. Rampage

how did u build these 2 pools separately?

Lets call it a genuineness thermometer. The higher you are, the lower I estimate the odds of getting fooled by someone doing trickery. The bottom 5 are all null without having showed me much genuine thought that isnt easily fabricated by scum. The maybe 1 scum are all slight townreads where im probably wrong on 1 of em, but they all produced content that comes from town most of the time (but not in the range of unfakeable).

[Vecna]

woah ive been logic looped to insanity.

u win this round vecna

I also feel town-you would be scumreading me after this mediocre catchup

im gonna townread u just to screw with u instead then

I love it when a plan comes together

[Vecna]

im gonna take a warm shower now, marveling at and being happy with this newly acquired townread from firebringer

[Vecna]

Do you scumread ABR lilith?

If not, then why is that post wishywashy?

[Vecna]

I think you just failed a townyness-detector test

Mental note to move lilith from bracket 2 into bracket 3, pending answer

[Vecna]

Do you scumread ABR lilith?

If not, then why is that post wishywashy?

He doesn’t actually take a stance on Iconeum; and he says he’ll keep his vote on chkflip but has not engaged with or tried to push that slot for a while. He’s also incorrect about chkflip’s vote being a “weak ABR vote” and he should know because he was previously in a very long-winded back and forth with chkflip accusing votato of being ABR’s partner, so he should know what chkflip’s reasons for voting ABR are.

Thank you! instead you get to move into bracket 1 for a well thought out reason that I like (and clearly missed because this game does not tingle me in that wonderfull way).

[Vecna]

Wait, eyestott, are you an elbirn alt?

[Vecna]

@Vecna

Do you scumread ABR lilith?

If not, then why is that post wishywashy?

Why are you asking me if I scumread ABR?

It doesn’t matter either way, votato can be fencesitty regardless of what my ABR read is

But that seems like a very tangential question for you to ask

I thought vokukato...tutako's statements in isolation were all pretty good takes. Not takes I agree with (well the iconeum's one was on point), but they all sounded pretty towny and genuine to me in the way he called them out.

Then you go ahead and called him scum over a post I thought was very towny sounding....so I had to press you for your reasons. The ABR link was just to get you talking (as was the post afterwards).

Turns out your reason sounds pretty ok. Maybe ill do some rereading later, but for now ill just trust my initial gut on you and accept that your reasoning probably comes from a good place.

[Vecna]

that sounds like an excellent idea

[Vecna]

thats an odd post to quote alongside your potato vote

[Vecna]

votato is now called potato so i can remember how to spell his name

[Vecna]

SirCakez is sounding like he's trying to lure me into his van with candy

Moved from bracket 2 to bracket 3

[Vecna]

Yes, that would indeed be good.

Do it without using that one line where I call my own catchup mediocre

[Vecna]

I dno, my gut while reading Potato was feeling good things during my catchup. Clearly I didnt read in-depth, but you could be making a mistake on a derper.

ABR on the other hand is always fun to lynch.

Chkflip claiming he has a scumread there but has a strong preference....hmmm. A bit odd.

If you already caught 2/3 by having potato being that obvious, and scum have daychat, he wouldve been told to shhhhuuuuutit by now, id imagine.

[Vecna]

time to watch better call saul season finale woo

[Vecna]

Yeah that's just Vecna bud.

Im usually bland and blend into the background? What?

[Vecna]

Spoiler:

@farside, could you vote for nightmare please?

I think Knightmare is scum,I don't see it coming from scum. It's actually NAI, I have seen a few players try to do things like this but unfortunately it is more coming from town thinking then scum trying because 95% of the time people find it scummy to do mass claim.

,

First line should be knightmare isn't scum.
*sigh* I actually was trying to preview post for once.

What is your thoughts on knightmare?

ehhh i guess town for same reasons u gave. although u said it wasn't really NAI, him heavy pushing it against resistance was townie

if i was really hunting for scum i would look in the people pushing him for his heavy pushing him because scum like to go for the low hanging fruit push that is knightmare rn.

Don Corleon kind of has me pinged that way

DonCorleone! Knightmare seems to be pushing the massclaim strategy on the basis that scum don't usually pick N1 guns. He went back and established only 1 N1 gun was picked in the previous iterations. Why do you think he's still scum openly pushing what he thinks is an anti-town strategy?

If Knightmare is scum, I don't think he pushes this strategy to take advantage of it, I think he pushes it to either get townread by pushing something strongly opinionated, or uses this as a way to make content.

DonCorleone! Knightmare seems to be pushing the massclaim strategy on the basis that scum don't usually pick N1 guns. He went back and established only 1 N1 gun was picked in the previous iterations. Why do you think he's still scum openly pushing what he thinks is an anti-town strategy?

If Knightmare is scum, I don't think he pushes this strategy to take advantage of it, I think he pushes it to either get townread by pushing something strongly opinionated, or uses this as a way to make content.

Knight is town. Scum can't be that crazy lol.

I agree that knightmare is probably town and the push on him is probably scummy going for lhf. I am inclined to think that people who continue to talk about the massclaim instead of gamesolving are a bit scummy.

@SS people TRing Knightmare for TSTBS

His response to my late response to his proposal seemed quite genuinely annoyed town that went "another dumbass repeated a shit argument"

[Vecna]

You don't look natural.

How do I look when I am natural?

Sircakez and Paragon look natural. Look them up, they're in this game.

Wut?

[Vecna]

I think my TR on ABR is strengthening somewhat, although I disagree with basically everything he's saying.

Yep, my thinking is along these lines. Sadface

UNVOTE: ABR

[Vecna]

I don't really understand why people are TRing Lilith either tbh. Is it just because she's got the most posts or?

Right? Nah it's probably a mindmeld thing.

I actually wanna lynch this now.

VOTE: Chkflip

[Vecna]

I actually wanna lynch this now.

Yes except no

Elaborate?

I dont know if I actually want to. I do, but I dont.

I have this growing gut feeling that his rationale for the things he does is not quite up there when I last townread him for his obvious style.

Also, there seems to be this whiff of "im saying these things because im being questioned for things". He suddenly reverts to like, very fluffy responses at times, instead of biting back. Leads me to question whether its the real deal or he's responding based on what the situation warrants.

Disclaimer: this explanation sucks dickhole. I tried

[Vecna]

I don't really understand why people are TRing Lilith either tbh. Is it just because she's got the most posts or?

Right? Nah it's probably a mindmeld thing.

I actually wanna lynch this now.

VOTE: Chkflip

Why chkflip and not votato?

Votato is town, and a silly mislynch

[Vecna]

Also, unrelated, but I buy ABR's thing of "this is not a try-hard game" for ~reasons~

[Vecna]

hmmm

[Vecna]

I don't really understand your votato read, Vecna. What confuses me is that you also had some doubts around Lilith if my memory of your ISO is correct. If chkflip hopping onto the "hmm yeah maybe we should look at Lilith" wagon prompted by my post pinged you about him, but votato doing the same thing

didn't

then I don't get it. Or more like I don't get why that specifically prompted you to want to vote chkflip.

Just to clear it up, it wasnt just the specific quoted post, but more like an assortment of things that happened between my ABR vote and my switch.

It didnt really have much to do with his stance on lilith. I questioned lilith recently for her jump onto potato. Dont think ive really had any takes/interactions with her slot besides that - and that particular interaction made her look good enough for now.

That reactions that CHK just gave gives me major pause though. Im asking myself if scum is ever gonna go that far appealing to my sense of ego for being "that great" for picking up on something so subtle, or if its just town-him realizing he's achieved some subtle chances in his playstyle. I guess even scum can do the latter.

I dno.

[Vecna]

Its just the impression I get when reading his posts. He calls shit as he sees it, isnt afraid to piss people off, and is generally just flailing about in a way id expect a towny to do that is somewhat newer to this.

Its not a strong super-confident read, and im not gonna use much energy to oppose this wagon if thats what a majority wants, but I wont be voting there,

[Vecna]

VOTE: Farside

[Vecna]

what string? theres no string. its not a carrot. i didnt get it at the grocery store. its a horn. im a unicorn. you can trust me.

This is my favorite post of the week <3 <3 <3

[Vecna]

I dont particularly like either the Eyestott or the Potato wagon.

He's a unicorn ffs. You can trust him!

[Vecna]

iconeum also reads as minor town from the posts on this page

[Vecna]

shit, does that get me to too many townreads again?

[Vecna]

VoteCount 1.6

eyestott [4] -

Knightmare491

,

SirCakez

,

Firebringer

,

Albert B. Rampage

Knightmare491

[2] -

eyestott

,

DonCorleone

votato [4] -

lilith2013

,

farside22

,

Iconeum

,

chkflip

Iconeum

[1] -

votato

farside22

[1] -

Vecna

Firebringer

[1] -

MariaR

Not Voting [1]

- Something_Smart

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

Nah, not even close. ooooh pretty colors. Unicorn inspired no doubt

[Vecna]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Vecna]

Too much simultaneous mafia, my brain is mushing stuff to a fluff where it all sorta blends together.

[Vecna]

Like, the day1 lynch is clearly pretty important in this format, but my reads here feel very weak. Maybe I should stop boycotting the top2 wagons

[Vecna]

not really thrilled with the MariaR catchup. Combined with the previous slot, id probably be down to vote there.

[Vecna]

It is mostly based on gut, jut that feeling that something is off about him.

Also, there was this weird interaction with cakez where he was pressing him and then not reading the reply but just being "ok, thats acceptable" while the reply wasnt even aimed at him

Spoiler:

I have more solving than setup-spec in my ISO, Cakez! I implore you to look again.

What about Something_Smart's reaction to you was weird? Is your solidified read beyond what you explained in 77?

I feel like I'm going in circles talking about this S_S read and I'd like to move on

Hmm, alright.

Very odd succession of posts here. Someone makes a statement, you counter it and ask them to look again, they reply they wanna move on due to a non-related matter and youre just like "ok".

weird

[Vecna]

wait what, I didnt read that shit properly myself.

big lol. im a disaster this game, I swear.

When I showed it to cakez before he even went like

"wooooaaah, yeah I didnt notice that!"

this is an odd situation

[Vecna]

You should probably not take my reads seriously, ive apparently been glossing everything with very low interest level.

Maybe ill do some reread to get into this game properly

[Vecna]

the way that wagon formed made me suspicious
either scum eager to bus or eager to mislynch
Iconeum and ABR fit in there

I think the way ABR is playing so gun ho and in your face is towny, I haven’t played with scum him before, but I like the way he’s playing this.
Icone iso seems perfectly fine to me. I think the lack of effort and I truly mean, bare min scum hunting comes from town more likely than scum here considering it’s just...meh? I wouldn’t want to deal with lynching Ico when we have guns to solve that.

I think my TR on ABR is strengthening somewhat, although I disagree with basically everything he's saying.

Welcome to ABR

I actually wanna lynch this now.

VOTE: Chkflip

What made you want to pull the trigger on this at this point?

That reactions that CHK just gave gives me major pause though. Im asking myself if scum is ever gonna go that far appealing to my sense of ego for being "that great" for picking up on something so subtle, or if its just town-him realizing he's achieved some subtle chances in his playstyle. I guess even scum can do the latter.

I dno.

This doesn’t translate well to me, in fact it seems pretty backtreated and scared. Like, just reading the two posts back to back you can see how shockingly different the tone here is. When the vote is put down it’s with confidence

but when pressured it reads something else entirely filled with excuses

.

VOTE: Vecna
Almost done sweet jesus

LOL

My vote wasnt pressured. at all

CHk was super humble and calling my description for scumreading him super genuine and the most sharp description of his play atm he'd seen in a long time or whatever

But whatever you can do to divert I guess

VOTE: Maria

[Vecna]

Also, there seems to be this whiff of "im saying these things because im being questioned for things". He suddenly reverts to like, very fluffy responses at times, instead of biting back. Leads me to question whether its the real deal or he's responding based on what the situation warrants.

This is probably the fairest take I've ever seen someone have of me. Our last game made me kinda look inward and I want to make sure I don't go that far with anyone basically ever again. It made me too angry, I was ultimately wrong, and it hurt the game. I made a promise in post that I wouldn't do that again and I'm making steps toward chilling the fuck out and just going with the flow.

Don't worry, I don't like me either.

This is what Maria wants to call "my vote being pressured"

[Vecna]

Yeah, dont expect such bravado to have any impact when youre talking to town

[Vecna]

Havent really commented on the Eyestott wagon, except once I think? The early game impression of his slot was moderately decent town to me, based on the things he said and the tone he was communicating in. Dont really remember anything he has done recently, so ill just stick with my initial impression

[Vecna]

Except that post made a wrong assumption on why I voted chkflip. After I after I explained the reasoning, evern chk himself was agreeing with my reasoning.

So how is there any pressure? Did you see DonCorlo come after me after that explenation? no? so where is the pressure that caused me to back off?

I gave my reason for unvoting. chk was very disarming in his response. Either it was great ate, or just a very genuine progression that caused his shift in meta from the last game we played together.

But hey, interpret it as you will. It certainly wasn't pressure. And even if I felt pressure, im fairly sure you know I have no problems dealing with pressure as scum.

[Vecna]

im sure we've crushed at least one game as scum together. It mightve been years ago though

[Vecna]

thats the one yeah. That memory of getting death tunneled by titus just to have her vigged by the town vig is a fond one

[Vecna]

That was a great game the bp was amazing ah, fond memories fun game.What were you scumreading about my slot before this Vecna?

It was very shit and mediocre reasoning.

The reason you have my vote now is mostly this idea I have in my head that youre always gung-ho (he-he) aggresive as scum, and pretty mellow and bored with everything around you as town.

Also, that thing about the pressure, but yeah, catchups with low attention level are prone to cause that.

If town here, you should sometimes just admit it when your argument was shit. It works wonders or so ive learned, people understand it when u shit the bed

[Vecna]

My eyes glossed over the last couple pages.

brb gonna go gung ho on my gun ho so I can Hulk Hogan this game.

I know right.....

[Vecna]

Where do you see someone else being unfair to Maria?

you're ganging up on her a bit. your posts by themselves are mostly fair, but i think maria is right to some extent about you being aggressive and emotional. these made me roll my eyes for example:

.... am I not allowed to have emotions while playing mafia now?

Okay, is this better: you're calling me fake for playing emotionally

mostly i think all three of you should step away for a few hours and do some introspection.

See, now why would a scum unicorn tell you all to chill the fuck down

[Vecna]

Imagine when the game quality improves when firebringer starts posting and you actually like reading that page more.

I dont know what is becoming of me. Normally I would love to delve into this type of shit to figure out whose the baddy, but I just feel exhausted even trying to read the posts that went on the last 4 pages.

[Vecna]

ABR, who are we gonna speedwagon?

[Vecna]

SHOW ME THE WAY

[Vecna]

ABR, why arent you sheeping the maria wagon if you feel her catchup is such a mess and you want a wagon so badly? That one seems quite likely to succeed?

[Vecna]

Is there a reason you think I’m scum beyond me thinking you’re scum ABR?

People who suck the life out of everyone else enjoying the game like you usually flip scum. I will bet my balls on it. I don't care if I'm the only vote on you now or how hard you are to lynch like the guy from 90 day fiancé with no neck, but I will end today with my vote on you.

EEEEEDDDDDDDD

[Vecna]

Yeah, no, I think both ABR and DC are probably town here

[Vecna]

I think Maria subbed in thinking ABR would likely be the obv-town he usually is, called out a unsubstantiated TR there, and then got slapped on the fingers for it

[Vecna]

Same how she called out an unsubstantiated scumread on me, got slapped around, then proceeding to try and buddy me while leaving her vote on me.

[Vecna]

Hey all, so sorry for my inactivity. My dad has something called ‘cerebral thinning’ in his frontal lobe or something which may be why he’s been showing symptoms of aphasia semi-recently. I’ve been inactive on the site as a whole for the past few days, so please don’t view this as strategic lurking.
I’ll be spending about an hour on this game when I wake up tomorrow. Right now I’m aware of 4 votes on me, and I appreciate that this was probably the worst time for this inactivity to happen, but ultimately family comes first.

Ill try to keep you alive, good luck man

[Vecna]

Can we lynch ABR now?

DonCorla, why did your stance on ABR change at this point?

You were townreading him before, and even stating the TR was strengthening.

[Vecna]

Same how she called out an unsubstantiated scumread on me, got slapped around, then proceeding to try and buddy me while leaving her vote on me.

Did you read me towncasing Maria?

If I did, I dont remember a thing about that

[Vecna]

is DC spiffeh?

[Vecna]

I do like the alternative take on Maria, and it might be accurate. I dno.

[Vecna]

did you agree with the DC logic on maria woofer?

[Vecna]

i think cakez is town. I am weaker on DC but his convo with me felt town in his thought processes. His push on you doesn't seem genuine in my mind because he seems to be ignoring what ur doing. Like not trying to figure u out. But ur kind of doing this bluster thing so maybe he thinks its better for him to ignore it for most part?

Look up past DC scum games. Same BS.

Sircakez played an excellent game but there's no way he follows DC like that as town, he knows who I am and what I'm capable of and Firebringer, when Sircakez read what you said about me, if that didn't ring true in every membrane of his body that's because he's scum.

I expected Cakez to have better meta on me than you FB. He is scum, trust me. DC the ringleader of them all.

We can wagon cakez if you want. Id prefer him over DC I think

[Vecna]

did you agree with the DC logic on maria woofer?

I disagreed on his analysis of this game but his analysis of past gmes of maria we agreed on. Did u read the full convo or just his posts?

His posts

[Vecna]

its okay im scum this game and im gonna beat u and get that satisfaction anyways.

Did Votato ever come in here to scumread you over this statement?

Because he claimed earlier that that was his measure of reading you

[Vecna]

Lets lynch cakez and give ABR the joy of shooting DC tonight

[Vecna]

VOTE: SirCakez

Cmon ABR, you cannot possibly hate on the idea of shooting DC

[Vecna]

Lets lynch cakez and give ABR the joy of shooting DC tonight

Who called abr scum with venca???
This girl!

This conclusion makes no sense

[Vecna]

ABR is in civ mafia mode

im just happy im not on the other end this time

[Vecna]

why arent u responding to my plan ABR?

[Vecna]

is abr going to tell me who is DC or not?

Its sort of an interesting mystery though.

He doesnt sound like bingle

But he pretends he knows me well

[Vecna]

why arent u responding to my plan ABR?

Your plan doesnt work without firebringer and im not changing votes. You with me or against me and knowing our history I dont blame you to be against me

I havent made up my mind. I think theres like a 60% chance or more youre stuck in a TvT here and that cakez and co are sitting on the sidelines fanning the flames

[Vecna]

is abr going to tell me who is DC or not?

Its sort of an interesting mystery though.

He doesnt sound like bingle

But he pretends he knows me well

he knows Paragon.

Is that a hint?

im sort of expecting them to have been in doubles mafia given the conversations going on there. is my thinking weird in that?

Could it be ceph?

[Vecna]

Lets lynch cakez and give ABR the joy of shooting DC tonight

Wtf? You just said you thought ABR vs DC was a TvT, and now you want ABR to shoot DC?

Vecna I want a response

I can and will repeatedly quote myself until you answer

I mean, wasting a gunshot or having it bounce off of a rose is infinitely better than wasting a lynch on town and having half the playerlist want to lynch the other tomorrow.

I dont think this situation is going to diffuse anymore without a death.

[Vecna]

why arent u responding to my plan ABR?

Your plan doesnt work without firebringer and im not changing votes. You with me or against me and knowing our history I dont blame you to be against me

I havent made up my mind. I think theres like a 60% chance or more youre stuck in a TvT here and that cakez and co are sitting on the sidelines fanning the flames

Nice shading
Engage me or get out

That wasnt shading, and youre just trying to use the keyword from last game.

I think youre likely scum here. What do you want me to engage you on?

[Vecna]

I joined this game with the majority of players against me.

Lilith saying straight out of the gate she is throwing my reads to the garbage.

Fine I don't care, thats why I chose GUN.

Now the one thing I didn't count on was for FUCKING FIREBRINGER who I think of as a teenager, to understand me better than any one of you who have known me for years.

the fuck, you chose your gun before the thread opened. What type of twisting of causality is this

[Vecna]

I dont know enter or fakran, and he talked like he knew me well fire

[Vecna]

I mean, many would argue thats how your entire early game was ABR. Just because you turned on the engine now doesnt mean you have me convinced you cannot do this as scum :p

[Vecna]

Spoiler: Quote wall

Townreads:
Vecna
chkflip
eyestott
Knightmare491 (debatable, but unless scum really has a strong plan, I dont think the way he has pushed it would be a scum hill to die on)

Maybe 1 scum:
SirCakez
lilith2013
farside22
DonCorleone
votato


Suspected pool of 2 additional scum
Paragon
Firebringer
Iconeum
Something_Smart
Paragon

Scum
Albert B. Rampage

ABR, who are we gonna speedwagon?

i think cakez is town. I am weaker on DC but his convo with me felt town in his thought processes. His push on you doesn't seem genuine in my mind because he seems to be ignoring what ur doing. Like not trying to figure u out. But ur kind of doing this bluster thing so maybe he thinks its better for him to ignore it for most part?

Look up past DC scum games. Same BS.

Sircakez played an excellent game but there's no way he follows DC like that as town, he knows who I am and what I'm capable of and Firebringer, when Sircakez read what you said about me, if that didn't ring true in every membrane of his body that's because he's scum.

I expected Cakez to have better meta on me than you FB. He is scum, trust me. DC the ringleader of them all.

We can wagon cakez if you want. Id prefer him over DC I think

Lets lynch cakez and give ABR the joy of shooting DC tonight

Lets lynch cakez and give ABR the joy of shooting DC tonight

Wtf? You just said you thought ABR vs DC was a TvT, and now you want ABR to shoot DC?

Vecna I want a response

I can and will repeatedly quote myself until you answer

I mean, wasting a gunshot or having it bounce off of a rose is infinitely better than wasting a lynch on town and having half the playerlist want to lynch the other tomorrow.

I dont think this situation is going to diffuse anymore without a death.

Vecna went from scumreading ABR to being real friendly with him with no explanation for the flip in read

You realize he is finally playing the way im used to him playing as town, right?

[Vecna]

I still prefer ABR wagon but vecna is my 2nd choice

Like, pretending something isnt suddenly spectacularly different is being extremely disingenuous.

But hey, if you wanna scumread me for figuring this out and prodding the situation, do you girl.

[Vecna]

entirely possible

[Vecna]

Spoiler: Quote wall

Townreads:
Vecna
chkflip
eyestott
Knightmare491 (debatable, but unless scum really has a strong plan, I dont think the way he has pushed it would be a scum hill to die on)

Maybe 1 scum:
SirCakez
lilith2013
farside22
DonCorleone
votato


Suspected pool of 2 additional scum
Paragon
Firebringer
Iconeum
Something_Smart
Paragon

Scum
Albert B. Rampage

ABR, who are we gonna speedwagon?

i think cakez is town. I am weaker on DC but his convo with me felt town in his thought processes. His push on you doesn't seem genuine in my mind because he seems to be ignoring what ur doing. Like not trying to figure u out. But ur kind of doing this bluster thing so maybe he thinks its better for him to ignore it for most part?

Look up past DC scum games. Same BS.

Sircakez played an excellent game but there's no way he follows DC like that as town, he knows who I am and what I'm capable of and Firebringer, when Sircakez read what you said about me, if that didn't ring true in every membrane of his body that's because he's scum.

I expected Cakez to have better meta on me than you FB. He is scum, trust me. DC the ringleader of them all.

We can wagon cakez if you want. Id prefer him over DC I think

Lets lynch cakez and give ABR the joy of shooting DC tonight

Lets lynch cakez and give ABR the joy of shooting DC tonight

Wtf? You just said you thought ABR vs DC was a TvT, and now you want ABR to shoot DC?

Vecna I want a response

I can and will repeatedly quote myself until you answer

I mean, wasting a gunshot or having it bounce off of a rose is infinitely better than wasting a lynch on town and having half the playerlist want to lynch the other tomorrow.

I dont think this situation is going to diffuse anymore without a death.

Vecna went from scumreading ABR to being real friendly with him with no explanation for the flip in read

You realize he is finally playing the way im used to him playing as town, right?

Yeah and you just said in your last post that he "doesn't have you convinced he's not scum"

so why do you seem to be townreading him so strongly from your recent interactions? sheeping his reads, telling him he can shoot DC even though you think it's a TvT? How does that make any sense?

Maybe im trying to illicit a response from ABR since he also claimed cakez is scum? And he claims he has a gun?

Can you get off my back and do your own thing?

[Vecna]

I still prefer ABR wagon but vecna is my 2nd choice

Like, pretending something isnt suddenly spectacularly different is being extremely disingenuous.

But hey, if you wanna scumread me for figuring this out and prodding the situation, do you girl.

VOTE WITH ME YOU BASTARD AND WE WILL WIN THIS TOWN A GAME ON OUR SHOULDERS

VOTE: DonCorleone

just doing this to piss off lillith tbh. Or maybe I like being called a bastard in all caps

[Vecna]

I still prefer ABR wagon but vecna is my 2nd choice

Like, pretending something isnt suddenly spectacularly different is being extremely disingenuous.

But hey, if you wanna scumread me for figuring this out and prodding the situation, do you girl.

also your 1099 is way before the "spectacularly different play"

He clearly was finally heating up a little bit at that point, yes. Finally doing stuff, telling town to hurry the fuck up and lynch stuff.

Me initiating conversation doesnt suddenly mean he is my biggest townread

[Vecna]

Spoiler: Plyer list puzzle

Paragon
Luca Blight
Churros
Battle Mage
OkaPoka
popsofctown
TheFuzzylogic99
NDMath
Aloratom
Blake Belladonna
Adorable
Flavor Leaf
Saudade
Kerset
NorwegianboyEE
Eragon
nomnomnom
Torque
Ame
Alisae
Luna Fox

Pops or ank could fit the bill. Maybe?

FL as a farshot?

[Vecna]

ABR you're telling me you don't flip out as scum?

IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS WHEN IM TOWN AND WHEN IM SCUM

IT IS WELL KNOWN I HATE DRAWING SCUM AND HAVE NO PASSION

THIS IS FUCKING PASSION.

YOU KNOW THIS AND THE ONLY REASON YOU CAN VOTE ME IS YOURE SCUM TOO.

You had NO passion earlier
This is just you faking because of the wagon on you

why arent u responding to my plan ABR?

Your plan doesnt work without firebringer and im not changing votes. You with me or against me and knowing our history I dont blame you to be against me

I havent made up my mind. I think theres like a 60% chance or more youre stuck in a TvT here and that cakez and co are sitting on the sidelines fanning the flames

Nice shading
Engage me or get out

That wasnt shading, and youre just trying to use the keyword from last game.

I think youre likely scum here. What do you want me to engage you on?

Why am I scum

For one, youre not scumreading anyone with a strong passion like you did me last game.

Youre passive as fuck all. I dont see any genuine solving from you.

I cannot follow your logic at all why you do things. I could even see where u were coming from in a weird way while u were tunneling me last game and manage to townread you through it all.

Trust me, its not me that is at fault here if youre town. Youre fundamentally different here, and I think the cause is a red role pm

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: farside. Either ABR is town, and then probably right, or scum, in which case this is a really bad play. Why would scum be this aggressive pushing 1 townie? Worst case ABR is town and wrong, but then we still probably find out tonight with NKs. this is wayyyy better than any of the other wagons, and even if DC flips town, this is real progression. I don't know any of you, but im leaning towards lilith being naive and town, with farside giving intentionally bad reads. Farside is in queue for at least one other game, so doesn't currently feel overwhelmed. If play is subpar for her, its probably on purpose. Vecna flip-flop is a bit odd, and vecna does some off somewhat as tyring to sheep-without-sheeping this game. He has been reading most people the same way town~majority does, iirc. VOTE: doncorleone

You mean like how I was telling everyone to stop wagonning your ass? Same for Eyestott?

Yeah, my reads have been so in line with town majority

BAD UNICORN

[Vecna]

that post was so bad I almost wanna unvote again.

[Vecna]

So ungrateful. Maybe I want a serving of unicorn-steak now

[Vecna]

Yeah, I dno. People tend to scumread me for the shittest of reasons all the time, it usually comes from town

[Vecna]

vecna ur scum because u didn't scumread me.

I DID SO

[Vecna]

Blame yourself and lilith into pissing me off enough to support this

[Vecna]

Didnt DC destroy the maria wagon?

He was also heavily appealing me to change my opinion there

[Vecna]

Blame yourself and lilith into pissing me off enough to support this

you were advocating for DC to die before I said anything but way to misrep

Throwing up hypothetical scenario's and asking opinions on situations =/= advocating

If it actually was what I wanted to happen id be going about it entirely different.

[Vecna]

I will also hammer maria

[Vecna]

although I dont think the scumteam is simply DC + Maria + Cakez

that seems too simplistic

[Vecna]

ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR

This^^^^

OOOOOH

so if they lynch YOUR scumread and then shoot DC its all fine huh?

You advocating it is all fine n dandy

I should probably wait with this post to see if lilith also will jump all over this statement, but im sure that wont happen anyway

[Vecna]

Blame yourself and lilith into pissing me off enough to support this

you were advocating for DC to die before I said anything but way to misrep

Throwing up hypothetical scenario's and asking opinions on situations =/= advocating

If it actually was what I wanted to happen id be going about it entirely different.

What is this then? Sounds like you're trying to convince ABR to shoot DC

Lets lynch cakez and give ABR the joy of shooting DC tonight

VOTE: SirCakez

Cmon ABR, you cannot possibly hate on the idea of shooting DC

You say shoot DC, I say vote Cakez

Carrot/stick

[Vecna]

I might actually have to take venca off my scum list.

The fact I was on there to begin with given recent history is truely wtf to me

[Vecna]

Abr point about dc stopping the wagon on maria was spot on

Could still be scum whiteknighting as well though. I agree with ABr that cakez + DC is much more likely here

[Vecna]

Wait, ABR is voting maria now? Guess I got some catching up to do

[Vecna]

Short version of your case? Buddy Maria was getting voted and Fire outed me as gun, you/cakez felt vulnerable N1 because you all chose guns too, you and cakez decided to railroad me because you smelled weakness and I was an easy target.

So my decision was to *checks notes* force you into a confrontation instead of just using the NK on you while lynching someone easy like eyestott as a diversion from Maria? Yes, makes

perfect

sense.

I correctly called you/cakez and all the other townies unvoted me except you and cakez because you were caught off guard, cornered, and skewered with a case dropping on you within 120 minutes.

See, my point about toxic masculinity is that only a man could be this wrong and yet this confident in it.

lol FB, my guess of pops/ank is not looking too bad anymore eh?

[Vecna]

ABR is totally ignoring me because he knows my meta of him is right and his play for 90% of today was not town
Other people unvotes cuz they are weaksauce and are scared of the loud man
or they are scum perhaps

If we want to talk about on the sidelines I present eyestott, who was coasting even before this real-life event came up

Hmmm, would this post ever come from scum addressing town?

"ignoring me because he knows my meta of him is right"

This is the first town-ping ive noticed from cakez

[Vecna]

Let alone my gender.

hmmm

[Vecna]

Imagine thinking that I've made the game toxic for pointing out the overwhelmingly male tendency to throw fits in games until people vote the desired wagon. It's sort of acceptable when Raybells does it because of his startlingly high accuracy. But there are far too many pretenders to the throne who I think just get a rush from yelling at people on the internet.

Im gonna be that guy

Wtf is up with the sexism? because this is a textbook case of the variety you dont see so often....but its total bullshit

[Vecna]

ABR is totally ignoring me because he knows my meta of him is right and his play for 90% of today was not town
Other people unvotes cuz they are weaksauce and are scared of the loud man
or they are scum perhaps

If we want to talk about on the sidelines I present eyestott, who was coasting even before this real-life event came up

Don't be salty you got caught, sir. Your game was tight enough to slip past most players' scumdar. I'm vigging you tonight and we can chat in the post-game tomorrow.

bring it scumbag
I'll enjoy sipping tea in the dead thread and watching this town burn itself down because they are blind

Cakez, question

Why were you townreading me so easily this game, while you were so suspicious of me last time?

My game is way scummier this time around, yet youre almost trusting me blindly and havent picked up on and questioned anything (or barely anything)

[Vecna]

I look forward to post game when I can go back through ABR's pronouncements on my scum-ness once it's outed that I'm town.

This post, interestingly enough, reads like youre suddenly quite certain ABR is town?

[Vecna]

I look forward to post game when I can go back through ABR's pronouncements on my scum-ness once it's outed that I'm town.

This sounds like you really believe he's town.

hoho

[Vecna]

I look forward to post game when I can go back through ABR's pronouncements on my scum-ness once it's outed that I'm town.

This sounds like you really believe he's town.

I'm starting to believe it, yes. It has the hallmarks of intense arrogance rather than fakery which while more irritating (especially because apparently nobody can see that he's full of shit) is also more town. I've been tunnelled by the players who need to try and show that they have the biggest dick in town in their pants before and this is reminiscent. I'm vigging him tonight regardless if I live though.

This is just starting to look like theater now

Like an act

Maybe this whole ABR vs DC thing is SvS

[Vecna]

I'm starting to believe it, yes. It has the hallmarks of intense arrogance rather than fakery which while more irritating (especially because apparently nobody can see that he's full of shit) is also more town. I've been tunnelled by the players who need to try and show that they have the biggest dick in town in their pants before and this is reminiscent. I'm vigging him tonight regardless if I live though.

Why would you vig someone you think is town?

Because he's aggressively wrong and not afraid to try and commandeer a town into doing what he wants regardless of how wrong he is. I think town has an overall higher chance of successfully finding and lynching scum with ABR in the dead thread than in the main thread.

In fact, this shit might just be some manipulative nonsense because theres a reasonably high % of females in this game

[Vecna]

I'll self-vote right now if ABR agrees to self-vig on pain of a guaranteed D2 lynch after I flip town.

So disingenuous, this is just meant for public appearances sake

[Vecna]

Do you think it's a bad idea for me to shoot town intentionally if I think that person is liable to lose the game for town @SS?

Like when I've been in this situation before with RC I've called him locktown because I thought that he was good enough to (despite his incredibly bad read on me) still solve the game and lynch the remaining scum. I don't have faith in ABR to do the same and to not just mislynch more while still alive while providing cover to scum to hide behind.

Another extremely fake post after all this talk about "masculinities weh". Then goes to quote the biggest example that only does the thing that ABR is apparently doing here.

Also, im like 75% sure this slot actually is RC himself. Only him would come up with these "men" lines in a setup like this thinking it would help his cause.

[Vecna]

Town shooting town only makes it easier for scum to endgame. DC is cunning, knows that, and is faking being "emotional town", and it's not persuasive to me. Is it persuasive to you, ss? You buy this act? Taking into account the logical way DC approached the game before I caught him?

Really wondering what changed after this post hit it on the head so badly for ABR to change vote to maria

[Vecna]

Let's make no mistakes -- even if I die here, I've played better than you, assuming you're town. I successfully got to a correct read on you while you were incapable of doing the same on me. Presumably because you're so afraid that despite me being rather obviously town by this point, if you don't lynch me and I do flip scum it would be humiliating for you that you were talked out of it.

95% certainty its RC

[Vecna]

It's not exactly persuasive, but I can certainly see it as coming from town.

Honestly the thing that weirds me out the most about Don is that in his shoes I would be REALLY paranoid of ABR being scum, even if I did decide that ABR was likely town. I feel like most people would react similarly, but I'm not seeing any of it at all.

Dude dude dude dude… the way DC has approached this game is not from a town mindset, it is cherrypicking things town people say and do and mixing and matching it with an overarching playstyle and philosophy that precludes saying things like "hes town but I will vig him N1 to help the town", the entire horseplay is meant to divert a lynch on DC

at all cost

. They will say anything, do anything, unvote me and vote farside or anyone else in this town to save DC. Their only objective: distraction and defusal.

ABR has reached extremely solid levels of town here for me now

[Vecna]

drunk vecna jere


ama

[Vecna]

drunk vecna jere


ama

what is ur biggest dream?

imnalready living it!

[Vecna]

the horn could ne bigger you slender beast

[Vecna]

Vecna when are you going to stop wasting your vote?

the fuck?

that shit about loud men needs to be killed. its some douche thinking itll sound good to females online and its shamefull

men are beautifull creatures. even the loud ones

[Vecna]

you all avtually got pocketed by DC/RC

the lolz is on u

my vote is best vote

[Vecna]

someone do cliffnotes why abr unvoted. still behidn

[Vecna]

noone except rc would do that line about being compared to RC

[Vecna]

you all avtually got pocketed by DC/RC

the lolz is on u

my vote is best vote

DC is def not RC.

ur wrong im right

[Vecna]

hi RC, last night movie night was fun. What movie u wnt to watch tonight?

looks @ joindate

so have i in a month

like not on a pers level, but there are so many sims

[Vecna]

anyways, vote feels good

[Vecna]

@votato preqch that unicorn gospel

SHUN THE NONBELIEVERS.

SHUUUUUUN

[Vecna]

why thank you

[Vecna]

my honesty levels are at 100 fb

cmon, im in a talking mood

[Vecna]

my honesty levels are at 100 fb

cmon, im in a talking mood

are you scum?

boring question with a too obvious answer, do better

[Vecna]

my waifus bday was today

she just told me some weird theory about creathing ear thujder by moving your finger shallowly in n out of your ear, creating a vacuum and pushibg the wax out.

she cray right?

[Vecna]

Vecna, Don is basically no longer on the table.

Your options are Maria or Cakez. Choose one.

no

put it back on the table

[Vecna]

you weak sacks of barley. first the bully attempt fails, so then u succumd to the charm attacks

[Vecna]

how much time is left? cant do catchup now, still have shit tobread

but im disappointwe were getting somewhere

[Vecna]

yoi guys r boring. good ight. hugs. love

[Vecna]

VOTE: Maria

[Vecna]

im pretty undecided on which of these two wagons I want more. Still have to catchup on a bunch, but I still really dont get what happened to the DC wagon we really needed

[Vecna]

All kinds of magical how you guys ran from two good wagons to end up lynching the obvtown

[Vecna]

Who did you shoot?

Also, this is clearly a question that should not be answered

[Vecna]

Regardless, this game is most likely already lost

[Vecna]

Itll also help scum narrow down who they can kill to reduce the town roses to 3 though.

Not sure if that is their easiest wincon now, which might also just be in numbers if they still have 1-2 guns left for N2 or N3

[Vecna]

Besides, if he is scum he might also use the info from the NK depending on how many actual shots did go out N1

[Vecna]

You guys also might wanna reconsider voting this early.

Y'know, if scum have N2 guns and 3 town are voting me they can just hammer and proceed to win

[Vecna]

Why didnt you shoot DC as you were so gung-ho on ABR?

[Vecna]

Can you be more clear on what you're asking? More so I don't get what you're asking.

Oh right, also this: I think we should be sorting into two pools — most likely scum on-wagon and most likely scum off-wagon, then decide which group to lynch within. I’m thinking off-wagon is stronger if we have 2 ICs within it (again, assuming no CC on icon who I’m still struggling to believe is town and am quite frankly astonished that no one has CC’d his gun) and then 2 left. Which would mean pretty much a lock on 1 scum in (vecna, votato) unless all 3 scum were on the D1 wagon which I find unlikely

Youre just building assumption upon assumption here though.

There were 3 shots. We do not know if those were actual misses, the scum NK or a combination of factors. We also do not know of the 3 town guns how many of them are N1 guns.

Scum has a ton more info than town here, and they can produce easy claims regardless if even one of them had a N1 gun

[Vecna]

i'm a N2 gun tho

Why did you claim gun at all? Especially if its N2? That signalled to scum you were a free kill

[Vecna]

Hmmm, @ that last part, that could actually have good implications as well

[Vecna]

Also, the fact noone even blinked at my appeal to unvote is just brilliant

[Vecna]

Regardless, both firebringer and S_S were most likely scumshots

[Vecna]

Nah, you do you boo.

Not like the claim and missing CC means anything whatsoever for your alignment (and thats a bit of a weird thing to state)

But I still think youre more likely town than scum based on earlier reads.

Although actually having to point out the 3rd scum here is tricky.

[Vecna]

Heck, even having to point out #1 and #2 is difficult enough.

The people thinking they have good reasons to have certainty in their reads here are a great place to start with suspicion

[Vecna]

Like, my strongest scumread is still DC. That stuff about masculinities was just pure unadulterated manipulation of a game filled with women, trying to appeal and sound good to them to diffuse the ABR wagon on him.

[Vecna]

Then the next question is whether he would go so far as to openly defend scum buddy Maria.

Maria had some decent enough reasons to scumread me early on (well they were not good reasons, but I could see a town doing a hurried catchup could latch onto those).

Another question is whether ABR vs DC could be SvS. The wagon diffused so quickly (I still have to read that part of the game actually), and I dont think town ABR would suddenly give up on it so quickly without solid reason. The fact neither of those ended up shooting eachother is also highly suspicious after the activity between those two.

Still think Votato is likely town. The slot feels pretty genuine in the way its blundering about. Nothing it says makes sense, so there must be some weird town crazy behind that.

I have had a gut townread on Eyestott for his first 5 posts or whatever since the start of the game. It might be a very bad reason. I dont know if I can do an unbiased revisit of that slot.

Lilith and Farside are just like, a blur. I dont think I could see a farside scum here due to her devellopments, but I also bet she could fool me easily. Lilith is just an unreadable slot to me, and I dont think I can be trusted to have a proper read there.

Chkflip feels so towny in everything he does, but I still have a gut feeling something is wrong there. Im not gonna be able to get that lynched, and actually persuing that will just mean I get lynched today. If he is scum, town loses this game regardless I feel. So better to just treat that slot as scum.

I feel like im missing a person maybe?

Regardless, my likely solve is ABR + DC + lilith, but any combination of two of those + 1 slot im wrong about would do just fine

[Vecna]

*checks PL
*3 people using she pronouns

Hmm, yes, compelling argument, Vecna

The fact you dont see how someone would be honest-suspicious about that already shows youre not even interested in looking at my reasoning

[Vecna]

At the moment we have 3 ICs due to the lack of CCs, namely me, icon, ABR

So 3 scum in (votato, vecna, eyestott, Maria, farside, Lilith, chkflip)

I have a softclear on one of these players but I’m not outing yet because I want to see where scum tries to go today first. I’ll out it at some point today because all 3 guns are still alive rn meaning that even if scum have 2 guns left for N2 then they can still triple kill even with the info outed on the potential softclear, so it won’t change our worst case scenario

And why would town with a gun not be hiding?

How is it impossible for scum to have 2 N1 guns and a N1 rose?

You could still very well be scum with ABR and be responsible for 3 of these kills.

You could still be scum with knowledge of your teammate with a rose, thatll back you up when you claim it later on

There are no ICs here

[Vecna]

Although ill admit, ABR + DC as a scum duo would require some very interesting night1 shenanigans

[Vecna]

Town actually have to be very careful about what they claim here because theyre at the verge of being endgamed

Like, if you actually were town here DC, you'd know mechanically claiming all this would be giving scum the keys to a win.

But you dont seem concerned about that whatsoever.

No fear of them still having 2 guns if you and ABR are indeed both town and scum took a lucky shot with their 1 gun and NK

[Vecna]

In fact, if what youre claiming here is true, and ABR is town, this is lylo and scum can still have 2 guns.

They can NK someone and have guaranteed kills go through on both you and ABR

Yet youre still just happily putting me on L2 without even having a solve

[Vecna]

dude, if you and ABR are town here,

How do scum NOT potentially have two guns left?

[Vecna]

How is that even a real deduction

Youre not even trying to sort me just because im suspicious of you and calling you out for your logic on the masculinity shit

[Vecna]

You should know by now you always end up scumreading me regardless RC.

And my reads are superior to yours in nearly every game we played when we were town together, but you keep getting in the way and trying to get me lynched.

Not sure that is whats happening here, because your scum equity is way higher here

[Vecna]

I look forward to post game when I can go back through ABR's pronouncements on my scum-ness once it's outed that I'm town.

This sounds like you really believe he's town.

I'm starting to believe it, yes. It has the hallmarks of intense arrogance rather than fakery which while more irritating (especially because apparently nobody can see that he's full of shit) is also more town. I've been tunnelled by the players who need to try and show that they have the biggest dick in town in their pants before and this is reminiscent. I'm vigging him tonight regardless if I live though.

This is just starting to look like theater now

Like an act

Maybe this whole ABR vs DC thing is SvS

Lets just forget to quote the progression right?

Theres also a thing where cakez threw in some OOG stuff that threw me off and that shouldve never been hinted at, but I cannot go into that sadly

[Vecna]

All kinds of magical how you guys ran from two good wagons to end up lynching the obvtown

This is really bad too if you think about it, because Knightmare was pretty much not obvtown at all and that’s why he got lynched

The only reason vecna sees him as obvtown or is willing to make this statement is because he knew in advance what knightmare’s alignment would be

No, its because my gut on townreading people is often quite good

You know I had halloween succesfully townread 100% in our last game together.

100% correct townread on EVERYONE, leaving a flawless scumpool

Then you started tunneling me over calling my reads shit and dragging that game down

[Vecna]

Hmm I remember it the other way around. But you got me there

[Vecna]

I think it’s funny that vecna is so triggered by Doubles that he’s now reading any given assertive alt as an RC alt

The game itself was very triggering. The final reveal that showed I was 100% correct was pretty sweet though

[Vecna]

you all avtually got pocketed by DC/RC

the lolz is on u

my vote is best vote

DC is def not RC.

you all avtually got pocketed by DC/RC

the lolz is on u

my vote is best vote

DC is def not RC.

ur wrong im right

I mean ive known rc for 4 years my dude.

U should really listen to the conftown who’s known RC for 4 years

Like I told him already, the same applies to me.

And you truely learn to know how someone reasons and operates when you get into these fights with them often.

Deny it all you want, I know who you are.

[Vecna]

Firebringer was probably just confused because you were actually explaining reads this game

[Vecna]

Which definitely also gave me pause at first

but the tricks are exactly the same, and ive never seen anyone approach that on this website

[Vecna]

Its not like im trying to make people realize youre town thats misreading me.

I think youre scum pushing me.

Regardless, I bet youre gonna claim that you tried shooting Lilith or Maria.

If youre actually gonna make that claim on someone im townreading, and they confirm....well thatll be interesting.

[Vecna]

So youre townreading ABR now, DC?

[Vecna]

At the moment we have 3 ICs due to the lack of CCs, namely me, icon, ABR

So 3 scum in (votato, vecna, eyestott, Maria, farside, Lilith, chkflip)

I have a softclear on one of these players but I’m not outing yet because I want to see where scum tries to go today first. I’ll out it at some point today because all 3 guns are still alive rn meaning that even if scum have 2 guns left for N2 then they can still triple kill even with the info outed on the potential softclear, so it won’t change our worst case scenario

Im fine with you sitting on this, but i think you should say who you shot at befire days end. Idk if an N1 rose =town. Depends on the player, if they are confident as scum.

If ABR and/or I were scum it would be hugely beneficial for the town guns to just CC so that there was confirmed scum in the gun claims

Like the fact that you’re trying to act like it’s beneficial to town for a town gun to hide their identity just to out it later is hilarious and also ridiculous

I agree with this today. Im going to explain why, shortly.

does anyone really care if DC is RC? or anyone else?

it doesn't help the game either

i think i'ma shoot chkflip tonight

he felt a little *too* agreeable/easy on the townread to me

Anyway you would shot a player that most are scum reading?

Its not like im trying to make people realize youre town thats misreading me.

I think youre scum pushing me.

Regardless, I bet youre gonna claim that you tried shooting Lilith or Maria.

If youre actually gonna make that claim on someone im townreading

, and they confirm....well thatll be interesting.

How did lilith go from town read when you said earlier you were not sure of her.
Bolded belon previous statement.

Then the next question is whether he would go so far as to openly defend scum buddy Maria.

Maria had some decent enough reasons to scumread me early on (well they were not good reasons, but I could see a town doing a hurried catchup could latch onto those).

Another question is whether ABR vs DC could be SvS. The wagon diffused so quickly (I still have to read that part of the game actually), and I dont think town ABR would suddenly give up on it so quickly without solid reason. The fact neither of those ended up shooting eachother is also highly suspicious after the activity between those two.

Still think Votato is likely town. The slot feels pretty genuine in the way its blundering about. Nothing it says makes sense, so there must be some weird town crazy behind that.

I have had a gut townread on Eyestott for his first 5 posts or whatever since the start of the game. It might be a very bad reason. I dont know if I can do an unbiased revisit of that slot.

Lilith and Farside are just like, a blur. I dont think I could see a farside scum here due to her devellopments, but I also bet she could fool me easily

. Lilith is just an unreadable slot to me, and I dont think I can be trusted to have a proper read there.

Chkflip feels so towny in everything he does, but I still have a gut feeling something is wrong there. Im not gonna be able to get that lynched, and actually persuing that will just mean I get lynched today. If he is scum, town loses this game regardless I feel. So better to just treat that slot as scum.

I feel like im missing a person maybe?

Regardless, my likely solve is ABR + DC + lilith, but any combination of two of those + 1 slot im wrong about would do just fine

Im curious why if there is no CC why your pushing Abr/DC and how did lilith end up into this scum read after criticizing dc for possibly shooting her now?

My point was that a scum DC could easily claim a failed gunshot on their teammate. Given that my Poe (atm) is mostly 2 or 3 out of (DC/lilith/Maria) id be interested/intruged in his result mainly if its on someone that isnt Lilith or Maria. Regardless, 3 within (DC/lilith/Maria) seems like a pretty terrible solve since those 3 are all voting me atm.

[Vecna]

Gun claims: Abr, you and DC.

at this time, it's literally in town's best interest for a town gun to CC and figure out the scum among these claims.
otherwise, these 3 are conftown and should be treated as such

I guess at this time this is not a terrible idea

People cc'ing will either be scum that still have a shot regardless and already have someone to aim for.

The question is whether DC should claim before that. anyways

[Vecna]

Gun claims: Abr, you and DC.

at this time, it's literally in town's best interest for a town gun to CC and figure out the scum among these claims.
otherwise, these 3 are conftown and should be treated as such

Agree with this

Vecna flailing trying to pin scumreads on two uncced guns is hilarious

I mean, two people hadnt even posted today.

There has not been any unanimous consent about a massclaim

[Vecna]

Unless scum also shot who I shot tonight but seems unlikely bc *reasons*

Theres no reason for scum to shoot outside the gunclaims right?

And then if youre town they shoot whoever you claim to have tried to shoot n1 with their NK

[Vecna]

can you guys stop voting?

[Vecna]

like, why the fuck are you even going there before we've gone through the motions of shit that needs to be done today

[Vecna]

Unless scum also shot who I shot tonight but seems unlikely bc *reasons*

Theres no reason for scum to shoot outside the gunclaims right?

And then if youre town they shoot whoever you claim to have tried to shoot n1 with their NK

This ofcourse being the scenario where they somehow had predicted that N2 guns are all the shit. Which seems somewhat unlikely

[Vecna]

wait actually, if DC is town, scum already shot a gun N1

[Vecna]

wait actually, if DC is town, scum already shot a gun N1

Lmao what are you smoking and can I have some?

1 NK
1 shot from ABR
1 gunmiss from you
1 kill from an unclaimed gun on either SS or Fire

If youre town, scum must have shot a gun N1

[Vecna]

(I was just correcting my own fear-reasoning)

Still, 2 scum guns out there would still make this mylo or lylo depending on shot and lynch accuracy