Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: votato

[Albert B. Rampage]

Obvscum

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hello there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Are 5.5 roses and 5.5 guns optimal

Sure but only if I get to be the .5 gun .5 rose.

Your gun doesn't kill and your armor doesn't stop bullets. Congratulations lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

This setup should have a gunsmith, how else are we going to know who's lying about not having a gun?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It is a legitmate vote for scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am on this winwagon until the end, or until I sheep a better case.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tbh I don’t trust ABR reads whatsoever so that basically means votato is conftown for me

This was originally sarcastic but whatever I plan to ignore all ABR reads

I'm going to play my REVERSE card and sheep all YOUR day 1 reads. Checkmate!

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not going to give you a double vote, I'm just going to copy your reads.

If my scumreads happen to align with ABR’s, great. I don’t really think there’s a middle ground between having your own reads and being pressured to sheep his, though.

Our reads will be forcibly aligned all of Day 1. I hope you're prepared for that!

[Albert B. Rampage]

forcibly aligned

This sounds......... ominous

Be careful!

[Albert B. Rampage]

forcibly aligned

This sounds......... ominous

Be careful!

What if I said was scumreading you?

I'll mirror that read and scumread you back.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You better scumhunt for the both of us, because I'm not going to carry this game with your lack of faith in me!

[Albert B. Rampage]

That’s not sheeping my read though

Yeah it's not a perfect system nor do I promise it to be.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was promised sheeping

Call me oathbreaker. I like it!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just call upon me when you need me Lillith, I'll yell down the baddies for you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: chkflip

This one's just for fun to see what Lilith comes up with next. Let's get it, guys! The scums are waiting!

[Albert B. Rampage]

DonCorleone! Knightmare seems to be pushing the massclaim strategy on the basis that scum don't usually pick N1 guns. He went back and established only 1 N1 gun was picked in the previous iterations. Why do you think he's still scum openly pushing what he thinks is an anti-town strategy?

If Knightmare is scum, I don't think he pushes this strategy to take advantage of it, I think he pushes it to either get townread by pushing something strongly opinionated, or uses this as a way to make content.

Knight is town. Scum can't be that crazy lol.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Townreads:
Vecna
chkflip
eyestott
Knightmare491 (debatable, but unless scum really has a strong plan, I dont think the way he has pushed it would be a scum hill to die on)

Maybe 1 scum:
SirCakez
lilith2013
farside22
DonCorleone
votato


Suspected pool of 2 additional scum
Paragon
Firebringer
Iconeum
Something_Smart
Paragon

Scum
Albert B. Rampage

Well its good to have a list that has odds of finding scum reduced.

In no order at all. I either have no read, a gut read or scum read on the following players.

Albert B. Rampage
Iconeum
votato
Something_Smart
DonCorleone
eyestott

VOTE: abr

VOTE: Alberto Bartholomew Rampage

WE MEET AGAIN.

This is madness.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: votato

[Albert B. Rampage]

This game is on mininum effort rotation, my alignment will remain as mysterious to you as the other side of the moon. I've no intention of doing much so policy me if you have something to say about that!

[Albert B. Rampage]

@chkflip: This is not about trying to “townlead” you. I’m legitimately confused as to why you are not joining a wagon on votato when you spent the majority of 5-10 pages trying to get him lynched, and have basically voteparked ABR who all of 1 other person is also voting. Can you explain this?

I am baiting him to vote for me and he is an easy mark.

[Albert B. Rampage]

time to watch better call saul season finale woo

It's good. Gus is a dangerous motherfucker.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Whelp.

VOTE: votato

L-2

This is an exciting vote that fills me with the nostalgia of a faster pace of game, where strategies were course corrected along the way and players weren't too shy to lynch after a couple dozen pages.

We do need a competing wagon for those that like votato though, I think it would be informative.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think something smart is scum, so if votato falls apart that's where I would vote next.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why do you think S_S is scum, ABR?

Townreads on paragon and sircakez, neutral on most, just POE makes ss scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Er, how can you PoE read me as scum if you don't have reads on most people? That's not really how PoE works.

Right. I picked the most interesting players to iso and out of that select group, I found you to be the scummiest.

[Albert B. Rampage]

TSTBS

[Albert B. Rampage]

TSTBS

What is TSTBS?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Right. I picked the most interesting players to iso and out of that select group, I found you to be the scummiest.

Okay, so explain why I was the scummiest then.

You don't look natural.

[Albert B. Rampage]

"too scummy to be scum."

Which is what TSTBS stands for btw

Oh my favorite town strategy lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

You don't look natural.

How do I look when I am natural?

Sircakez and Paragon look natural. Look them up, they're in this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sircakez and Paragon look natural. Look them up, they're in this game.

I'm not SirCakez or Paragon though. Do you think everyone plays the same way?

My scumhunting wasn't built on my ability to read an individual player.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't really understand why people are TRing Lilith either tbh. Is it just because she's got the most posts or?

I'm leaving FB and Lilith for day 2. Not worth getting into today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My scumhunting wasn't built on my ability to read an individual player.

Well, now I understand why you can't read this individual player. A lot of universal tells, including most tone-based ones, don't really apply to me, because I have such an idiosyncratic posting style.

Noted

[Albert B. Rampage]

because I have such an idiosyncratic posting style.

I will vouch for this. I don't think S_S has done anything that reminds me of his scumgame yet. In fact, the fact that I've only been mildly townleaning him off his own play (I more think the pushes are for bad reasons and that's a reason for thinking he's town) is making me think he's more town. When he's scum I normally think he

sounds

very

townie and he hasn't done that here.

Yeah I don't trust this at all, this actually makes me feel SS is even more scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Link to baton pass?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah I don't trust this at all, this actually makes me feel SS is even more scummy.

It's not accurate. My scumgame is garbage. Baton Pass is the one game where I would say I played really well, and I still got lynched.

Good, so both you and I don't trust DC's claim that you sound townie as scum, finally something we can agree on.

When lilith stops pushing votato, my votato is landing on something somarto.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@farside @ABR are you guys any good at reading firebringer? I really suck at it. Do you find him more readable as game goes on?

He does the same thing day 1 as both alignments, you just have to look at his voting record day 2 and 3.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: something_smart

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bro

[Albert B. Rampage]

pagetop

Please stop. The rest of you too. It's terrible.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MariaR I was townreading your slot. Let's make an alliance. Don't tell anyone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: eyestot

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's only so much navel gazing I can tolerate. Just vote for the largest wagon and be done with day 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

BLABLA READS BLABLA CONTENT

[Albert B. Rampage]

MariaR never came back lmao

[Albert B. Rampage]

tbh I'd be satisfied with most any of the wagons

QFT

[Albert B. Rampage]

we'll see that with votes.


I'm sorry did I miss the part where you explained why you were town reading ABR?

*looks around*
Nope.
It gets better then that.
ABR is giving his vote over to lilth whom you are scum reading. That is just priceless shit that I can't make up because it's in the game.

Do you really think MariaR should expect 1 scum to give their scumbuddy a vote?

That's what you're calling her out for?

Also I am not giving my vote to Lilith I thought I made that clear.

VOTE: farside22

For thinking its inconsistent to think I am town if lillith is scum. This doesn't make any sense.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You promised to sheep me though!

Didn't you say you were gonna vote SS with me?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's GUNG HO. Gun ho is the name of a weapons fetish hooker.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're chill MariaR don't let anyond ruffle your feathers.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're saying MariaR is lazyscummy because she thinks Lillith is scum and I am town, and the evidence you presented was that I publicly told Lillith our reads would be aligned which you thought was me giving Lillith my vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're saying MariaR is lazyscummy because she thinks Lillith is scum and I am town, and the evidence you presented was that I publicly told Lillith our reads would be aligned which you thought was me giving Lillith my vote.

I'm questing her calling you gun ho for your iso, when the majority of your game play is following lillith's lead. That was why I thought her catch up was a joke and a lie.

Lillith is clearly following my lead, at least until now. She presently seems to be riding the farside/vecna train.

And for the last time woman GUNG HO, stop disrespecting my Texan waifu gun ho.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're saying MariaR is lazyscummy because she thinks Lillith is scum and I am town, and the evidence you presented was that I publicly told Lillith our reads would be aligned which you thought was me giving Lillith my vote.

I'm questing her calling you gun ho for your iso, when the majority of your game play is following lillith's lead. That was why I thought her catch up was a joke and a lie.

Lillith is clearly following my lead, at least

until now.

She presently seems to be riding the farside/vecna train.

And for the last time woman GUNG HO, stop disrespecting my Texan waifu gun ho.

that is 100% not true, you're voting farside and she's my strongest townread?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your last post here it made me think and step back.
You still believe despite the number of inconsistencies I pointed out that you think I'm scum. No one stepped up to take your side. No one said hey this kid is trying and although it's bad, blah, blah, blah.
You looked like a lone solider battling a dragon you had no right to try to go against in any realm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You promised to sheep me though!

Didn't you say you were gonna vote SS with me?

Neither of us got any traction on that wagon and I’m happy with a Maria vote

I liked Paragon before though. I think farside is my preferred vote between the two. But if you want me to vote for Maria, you just have to ask.

[Albert B. Rampage]

3 days.

If I'm not on a final lynch 48h ahead of the deadline I have personally failed myself.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, who are we gonna speedwagon?

Up to you. Gather 5 good men and a rope.

[Albert B. Rampage]

btw I am masons with ABR.

fakegod made a last minute change to setup. He will announce it later sometime. Maybe post game.

Yeah, funny story. Mod asked me what role I wanted and I said mason so he had no choice but to honor my answer.

All this speculating on my role is very productive. It helps me decide who I want to shoot tonight.

[Albert B. Rampage]

DonCorleone = Nachomama8?

Firebringer, can you figure things out today so I can lend you my mason vote for the win?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I decided not to lead the town as I usually do because Lilith and others would foolishly ignore my reads so I'll play the low power position and join whoever I think is making progress. When Lilith and other players who have all the voting block power fall, my time will come to rise and finish the scum off. It's as simple as that. No I don't have a gun so you can lynch me day 1 if you were hoping I would be vigged.

VOTE: eyestott

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: eyestott

okay but i think Lilith is the only one purposefully ignoring ur reads.

Then she shouldn't have said that. Now I wait for her to die like she's a sugarmama on her deathbed with no progeny.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How does progression lie is pushing an afk?

Dude you almost got lynched yourself, just vote eyestott with the rest of the next-in-line on the chopping block squad ayy

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm leaning towards Don c, lilith, and chk being scum.

I'm with you on Don C and Lilith, but I need you to be with me on eyestott now or else all this falls apart tomorrow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's 2 days left. Are we really going to leave it to the deadline? Or will we seize the day and create the future?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Alright fuck this town, I'm on team Tunnel-Or-No-Lynch.

VOTE: DonCorleone

Join me, ignore me, do whatever you want. I'm going down with this ship and taking DC down with me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think eyestoot and knightmare are aligned. Most likely both town, but possibly both scum therefore both pushing the same shit play and then distancing. Their conflict is a bit overdone. But still probably both town. I'm leaning towards Don c, lilith, and chk being scum. Im still Sl on farside. I could be talked into an ss, vecna, or maria wagon. I still maintain that yesterday's push on Maria was awful.

Vote your conscience, my man, ride or die.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ah, okay.

Yeah I'm leaning towards vottato/Rampage being wrong as well. Flip flopping on my word that I wasn't gonna flip flop but here we are.

You. Fuck your reads and vote with me. I don't want any excuses.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Fine I'll let the thread breathe a bit

You. You're a mess. Your catch up is a disaster. Vote with me now or forget about it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is there a reason you think I’m scum beyond me thinking you’re scum ABR?

People who suck the life out of everyone else enjoying the game like you usually flip scum. I will bet my balls on it. I don't care if I'm the only vote on you now or how hard you are to lynch like the guy from 90 day fiancé with no neck, but I will end today with my vote on you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not even gonna WIFOM. Firebringer is 100% right about everything he said about me from top to bottom and he's going straight to my wiki as a fooking legend when I die N1. I have a N1 gun. I will use it on one of DonCorleone's scumbuddies tonight.

[Albert B. Rampage]

im just gonna say it because ive been thinking it for awhile.
I think ABR hs been quiet is because he doesn't want to be shot tonight and he has one of the town guns.

So id kind of rather ignore him today

Also if you’re a town gun then surely it also doesn’t make sense to stay so quiet that you risk being lynched and being forced to claim/just lynched and not being able to shoot

I don't think ABR fears getting lynched Day 1. at all

or I should say "I don't think abr even imagines he gets mislynched day 1".

or he is scum.Just saying there are a few quiet players in the game. But, but, but, I will play devil's advocate and allow that possibility go for now.

idk I feel like I might be overthinking abr mindset since he isn't posting much to show what he is really thinking and this could all just be he just isn't interested in this game.

a literal he just isn't interested in us. What a shame.

But ABR is one of those players I consider in that big egocentric mindsets. And that mindset would definitely go for the whole plan of "well I have a gun, ill lie low so scum don't try to shoot me since I am a strong player, and then I can aim at whoever I find scum"

I mean I would consider that thought process to naturally comes to someone like ABR it makes so much sense that is his approach right now.

If he had a rose, even if he wasn't interested I think he would have posted more.

I think EVERY TOWN in this game on some level suspected I was town gun playing it cool but FB was so eerily accurate about everything I am just amazed at how much he's grown up since I knew him back then.

This is my final stand. Pick me or pick DonCorleone. 1v1 solo arena ranked mode for the championship. Make your bets and vote your conscience, bastards!

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think EVERY TOWN in this game on some level suspected I was town gun playing it cool

I have not ftr

You're not town either now are you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I claim Gun Night 1 and will flip as such. Now you can listen to Lilith/DonCorleone your active, helpful, town leaders who want to coddle your imagined collective delusions or the bad boys of mafia votato and ABRRRR


Hahaha bring it on!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Further more, why do I push ABR as scum who’s well known to be volatile and prone to deathtunneling.

Because I know who you are now and know how dangerous you know me to be when you draw scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think EVERY TOWN in this game on some level suspected I was town gun playing it cool

I have not ftr

You're not town either now are you?

See this is a scum post
Town doesn't just assume people pushing them = scum

ummm cakez, u know that isn't true

Cakez and DC are scumbuddies. Lilith / farside are sheep-town victims, bait for the wolves to draw the flock.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Further more, why do I push ABR as scum who’s well known to be volatile and prone to deathtunneling. How does that line up with me sticking to “safe takes”?

I mean it seems like you voted him for lurking and not contributing much, so I doubt you would have expected him to jump down your throat.

Lol I didn't realize who DC is until 2 pages ago and now the strategy makes sense. I respect it. DC got scared I was vigging them tonight and preemptively tried to take me out of the game while I'm weak.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i think cakez is town. I am weaker on DC but his convo with me felt town in his thought processes. His push on you doesn't seem genuine in my mind because he seems to be ignoring what ur doing. Like not trying to figure u out. But ur kind of doing this bluster thing so maybe he thinks its better for him to ignore it for most part?

Look up past DC scum games. Same BS.

Sircakez played an excellent game but there's no way he follows DC like that as town, he knows who I am and what I'm capable of and Firebringer, when Sircakez read what you said about me, if that didn't ring true in every membrane of his body that's because he's scum.

I expected Cakez to have better meta on me than you FB. He is scum, trust me. DC the ringleader of them all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i think cakez is town. I am weaker on DC but his convo with me felt town in his thought processes. His push on you doesn't seem genuine in my mind because he seems to be ignoring what ur doing. Like not trying to figure u out. But ur kind of doing this bluster thing so maybe he thinks its better for him to ignore it for most part?

when people have personal history i don't know about...man motivations behind pushes become so muddy to figure out why people are acting the wy they do.

i have to consider DC push on ABR as NAI but it seems so stupid.

I'm weak because I was hiding my gun and avoiding attention. You have more pull in this town than anyone else.

Go to your safe, grab your gun, take the van, grab every man and woman available in it and come to the intersection where I'm taking shots from. THIS IS WAR. I'm not out of shots and I will die tonight. Carry the game and win it for us.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lets look at the contradictions here.

READ AGAIN WHEN THE CHILDREN NAP FARSIDE I KNOW YOUVE BEEN LOOKING AT SURFACE LEVEL CONTRADICTIONS BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO DISTRACTED TO SEE THE OBVIOUS

OF COURSE I DONT WANT TO OUT MYSELF AS VULNERABLE TO GET SHOT TONIGHT BUT FB EXPOSED ME TO THE SCUM TEAM SO I HAVE NO CHOICE

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cakez and DC are scumbuddies. Lilith / farside are sheep-town victims, bait for the wolves to draw the flock.

Lilith and farside are def sheeping everything in sight.

i wonder if i should be worried about that

Nah i said id vote abr or maria. Just tired of players ignoring maria's post of nothingness.

i think cakez is town. I am weaker on DC but his convo with me felt town in his thought processes. His push on you doesn't seem genuine in my mind because he seems to be ignoring what ur doing. Like not trying to figure u out. But ur kind of doing this bluster thing so maybe he thinks its better for him to ignore it for most part?

I would think abr would have things figured out with what happened with maria as town. He did nothing after and started again when accused doesnt = town abr.

You signed up for too many games or I don't know what's happened to you but your reads are total trash. I am OBVIOUS TOWN AND I WILL DIE TONIGHT GUARANTEED.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lets lynch cakez and give ABR the joy of shooting DC tonight

Who called abr scum with venca???
This girl!

Farside. Put down the bottle and tell the kids to give you a moment to re-evaluate YOUR ENTIRE READS IN THIS GAME. YOU ARE SO OFF AND YOU ARE SUCH A STUBBORN UNICORN THAT YOU ARENT LOOKING AT MY OBVIOUS TOWN META.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lets look at the contradictions here.

READ AGAIN WHEN THE CHILDREN NAP FARSIDE I KNOW YOUVE BEEN LOOKING AT SURFACE LEVEL CONTRADICTIONS BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO DISTRACTED TO SEE THE OBVIOUS

OF COURSE I DONT WANT TO OUT MYSELF AS VULNERABLE TO GET SHOT TONIGHT BUT FB EXPOSED ME TO THE SCUM TEAM SO I HAVE NO CHOICE

He called you out prior to you claiming no gun.

HE KNEW I HAD A GUN THE WAY IVE BEEN PLAYING

I SAID I DIDNT HAVE A GUN TO INSERT A MODICUM OF WIFOM SO THE CONVERSATION TO NK ME LASTS LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES TONIGHT

[Albert B. Rampage]

why arent u responding to my plan ABR?

Your plan doesnt work without firebringer and im not changing votes. You with me or against me and knowing our history I dont blame you to be against me

[Albert B. Rampage]

I joined this game with the majority of players against me.

Lilith saying straight out of the gate she is throwing my reads to the garbage.

Fine I don't care, thats why I chose GUN.

Now the one thing I didn't count on was for FUCKING FIREBRINGER who I think of as a teenager, to understand me better than any one of you who have known me for years.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR you're telling me you don't flip out as scum?

IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS WHEN IM TOWN AND WHEN IM SCUM

IT IS WELL KNOWN I HATE DRAWING SCUM AND HAVE NO PASSION

THIS IS FUCKING PASSION.

YOU KNOW THIS AND THE ONLY REASON YOU CAN VOTE ME IS YOURE SCUM TOO.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lilith saying straight out of the gate she is throwing my reads to the garbage.

Fine I don't care, thats why I chose GUN.

You seem to care a lot

We have 8 roses. I am one of the very few guns. If I don't get my shot off then that will hurt the town. It's stupid to lynch me given Firebringer psychoanalyzed me top to bottom with 100% accuracy, both outting me in the open and forcing scum to come after me before I can shoot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I joined this game with the majority of players against me.

Lilith saying straight out of the gate she is throwing my reads to the garbage.

Fine I don't care, thats why I chose GUN.

Now the one thing I didn't count on was for FUCKING FIREBRINGER who I think of as a teenager, to understand me better than any one of you who have known me for years.

the fuck, you chose your gun before the thread opened. What type of twisting of causality is this

I know people's biases against me before I join, yes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyone who thinks this is my scum game READ THIS FUCKING GAME

viewtopic.php?t=66574&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

[Albert B. Rampage]

I mean, many would argue thats how your entire early game was ABR. Just because you turned on the engine now doesnt mean you have me convinced you cannot do this as scum :p

Im easy to spot as scum I get carried by my team every time. Read my meta. Real easy.

Why not vote DC today? I think its pretty spot on that the most active players, most helpful looking goody two shoe heres my scheduled content post with quotes and explanations and soft hesitations are the ones trying hardest to look town because theyre scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I still prefer ABR wagon but vecna is my 2nd choice

Like, pretending something isnt suddenly spectacularly different is being extremely disingenuous.

But hey, if you wanna scumread me for figuring this out and prodding the situation, do you girl.

VOTE WITH ME YOU BASTARD AND WE WILL WIN THIS TOWN A GAME ON OUR SHOULDERS

[Albert B. Rampage]

Any townie voting me is either:

1) lazy af

2) doesn't like me

3) trusting someone they should think twice about trusting

[Albert B. Rampage]

My meta is in my wiki. Pull up any scum game I have.

[Albert B. Rampage]

GET THE VAN READY FIREBRINGER MY REINFORCEMENTS ARE COMING

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is a horrible counterwagon to ABR

Let's talk. I will stop with the all caps and listen to every single thing you need to get off your chest, respond to every accusation and clear up anything I feel that was misrepresented about me, and explain how my play this entire games makes sense from a town perspective and finally, if you give me a day, I will write my final case on DC.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I might be interested in a votato wagon tbh

You. You had your chance to lead this town, did I get in your way? No, I did not. I let you and Lilith run this town, and where did that bring you? Back to me.

We are lynching DC and in the next 8 hours I will convince you with fine analysis and an objective breakdown of the events that have transpired so far.

Until then my ask is that everyone voting DC keep their vote until I get my thoughts out and keep the pressure on.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You. You had your chance to lead this town, did I get in your way? No, I did not.

u actually did. U single handedly destroyed my eyescott wagon because DC was pushing u.

You fucking let DC railroad me into a momentum-gaining bandwagon with farside, Sircakez and Lilith dude. I give you my nightkill but don't derail DC.

I am 100% obligated to tell town who I shoot tonight before the hammer, scum can't do nothing about it and town will get info day 2.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You. You had your chance to lead this town, did I get in your way? No, I did not.

u actually did. U single handedly destroyed my eyescott wagon because DC was pushing u.

You fucking let DC railroad me into a momentum-gaining bandwagon with farside, Sircakez and Lilith dude. I give you my nightkill but don't derail DC.

I am 100% obligated to tell town who I shoot tonight before the hammer, scum can't do nothing about it and town will get info day 2.

okay how about this u shoot in eyescott or maria tonight and ill vote with u on Don today.

Tht good?

Good. I will do a deep dive into isos and bring valuable insights this town needs to make an informed, objective, calculated, intellectual DonCorleone lynch today.

I don't want to "make" anyone vote anyone they don't feel good about voting, I want each one of you to be presented with DC's worldview and my worldview and make your own decision on how our alignment guided the actions that have led us here.

ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR

Listen to what I have to say first. If I don't convince you, do what you want but I am not changing my vote and I am not helping you lynch anyone else today, I am sorry.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR

This^^^^

OOOOOH

so if they lynch YOUR scumread and then shoot DC its all fine huh?

You advocating it is all fine n dandy

I should probably wait with this post to see if lilith also will jump all over this statement, but im sure that wont happen anyway

I dont believe abr is town. Im calling his bluff.
Apparently you can only read abr.

Hey farside, did you read my iso in the game I linked earlier?

The meta you said you had of me is I lurk a lot right? So I want you to read that very quick iso so we can talk about it after. Let's work together to figure this out.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyone who thinks this is my scum game READ THIS FUCKING GAME

viewtopic.php?t=66574&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

I linked this for you farside. Let's talk about every reason you have to suspect me and I promise you that by the end of our conversation, I will have put a bit of doubt in your belief that I'm scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside, I will bring up posts you made

only yesterday

.

Cakez moves up on the scum radar.
Weeeeeeee

You agreed with me Sircakez was scummy.

Sigh.
I swear im going to just lurk the rest of this game day

You agreed with me that laying low was a valid town strategy.

some have it more than others
some never have it

this sounds deep.

anyways, u should be voting eyestott buddy

Did she lose her smile?

yes

Meh
VOTE: eyestott

You agreed with me that eyestott was a meh vote but we both half-heartedly voted him for like a second...we were both looking for someone better to vote.

Catching up, but farside I don’t understand your progression on me — I thought I was a SR for you, what did I do since then to not be in your solve?

Your not my highest scum read, but im not town reading you.

We were both not town reading DC.

In the past 24 hours we have been looking at the game with similar lenses. I am angry because of what you did in the last two hours, but I want to let that anger go and understand how we could be so aligned and then you think I'm scum.

Is there a small part of you that thinks confirmation bias is playing a role? Can I really be that great of a scum actor, or am I actually town, and we both see things similarly?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's look together at page 46.

Eyestott is the leading bandwagon, MariaR is gaining momentum.

Firebringers' and Lillith's top lynches are in play!!! Looks like the town leaders are about to get what they want, right?

But scum have other plans.

Who derails those wagons? It's DC.

THE DOUBLE SCUM TAG TEAM OH BABY I LOVE THIS. Live interaction is my stick lets go, sweeties,

VOTE: Maria

triple team Tbag?

THE DOUBLE SCUM TAG TEAM OH BABY I LOVE THIS. Live interaction is my stick lets go, sweeties,

VOTE: Maria

triple team Tbag?

Sweet!!

VOTE: maria

the not so super secret scum reads

Spoiler:

mariah, abr, venca

Just wanted that in here to see how many I have right by end of the game. Feeling good with my list there.

VOTE: mariar
lets get something going

Catching up, but farside I don’t understand your progression on me — I thought I was a SR for you, what did I do since then to not be in your solve?

I actually really like eyesctott they're coming back from a break or something if I read that correctly and the tone of there posts is really light and relaxed. Like they're just kinda here ya know? I don't see any agenda in their posting. So that raises the question is scum sitting back and just letting these wagons go?

Maybe. Might I suggest a Vecna Farside or Lilth wagon in the meantime? Lets put some life into this game!

I think this post is either (1) town realising that scum are happy with the current wagons because they’re not being voted or (2) scum who has a buddy under suspicion and who is trying to break up the gamestate through advancing the line that scum are happy with the gamestate and therefore a new wagon should happen

Please let me know what question if yours I'm not directly answering so you can stop using buzzwords. That'd be lovely

Hmm, maybe Maria is town

I kind of have that feeling that I’m going to end up with egg on my face for once again saying “hmm, X very good scumplayer seems town” but what can ya do

At least I don’t have the embarrassment of being wrong yet again on my main!

That was a great game the bp was amazing ah, fond memories fun game.What were you scumreading about my slot before this Vecna?

attempt to pocket?

If she wants to pocket Vecna why does she begin by scumreading him?

Can we lynch ABR now?

VOTE: ABR

[Albert B. Rampage]

From page 46 to page 47, DC derails both bandwagons to vote for yours truly. Who is she protecting, is it eye or MariaR?

I'm not done. There's a LOT more to sift through and a very strong case to be made against DC.

[Albert B. Rampage]

why do you call me & DC scum in 1271

You wanted MariaR lynch, the moment you got 4 votes on her and she was the top lynch, you let DC walk into your party to try and take all your friends away to vote for me,

and you join her.

That's what pinged my scumdar.

and also say you prefer to vote farside in 1056

I was responding to you that I preferred a farside lynch because I believe MariaR to be town, so between the two farside was lower in my townlist. I was trying to see how far you would commit to MariaR and bait you to ask me to vote her to see how bad you wanted that lynch, but you never did ask me.

and then in 1334 switch to Cakes/DC as scum with me and farside as "sheeping town" - can you explain the progression on these slots?

I think Sircakez has the best meta of me in the 3, so when I started being more invested in the game, if he was town, he would have backed off. Farside and you had more town reactions to me revealing myself as town / my activity spike than sircakez. This is why I think he's scum.

what are your current reads on votato and SS? (637, 691 for SS; and you called votato obvscum in your second post)

votato is town, SS is neutral, could be scum. I feel less strongly about these reads now that I have trapped Sircakez and DC.

Did I answer all of your questions?

[Albert B. Rampage]

From page 46 to page 47, DC derails both bandwagons to vote for yours truly. Who is she protecting, is it eye or MariaR?

I'm not done. There's a LOT more to sift through and a very strong case to be made against DC.

Okay I mean it seems like DC basically tried to derail every existing wagon in that case. You're saying they did that deliberately in order to wagon you?

So I think that at the same time that Firebringer realized that I was laying low to not get NK'd because I have a gun and no rose, DC realized the same thing. DC and scumbuddies also chose gun and are vulnerable, so they didn't want me to get a shot off.

If you/firebringer/farside are right about eye/MariaR being scum, DC leading the wagon on me served a double purpose from stopping me to shoot and to distract from their scumbuddy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: votecount please?

[Albert B. Rampage]

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother?

If DC claims she has a gun N1, she very well may have a rose N1. It's all WIFOM.

I recommend we lynch DC, if she flips scum I shoot Sircakez, if she flips town I shoot MariaR.

Does that work for you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother? why waste a lynch?

The disadvantage of this is that if ABR or Don is a scum N1 gun-- and it's likely that if one of them is scum, they are-- then they get an extra shot that we could deprive them of by lynching them today.

That said, I don't have any faith in this town to do that, so I'm in favor of this plan. But it isn't without downside.

This is true ^

Why ABR town and why am I in your PoE?

Honestly ABR is not so much a townlean as an "I like his style and want to see where he goes with it" read, but I do think that a lot of his early antics (such as the lilith read mirror thing) and his push on me that he just drops after a bit feel like they would be more likely to alienate people and make enemies than to get people to trust him.

You're kind of the opposite. You haven't really made that many enemies, your takes are safe, and your interaction isn't particularly dynamic. These qualities all can very easily come from town, but they're why I don't townread you.

Yeah, this is a good case for DC today. Vote with us, I will accept responsibility if I'm wrong but I think this gives us the best shot at disrupting the 3-man scumteam and giving us the best intel for Day 2.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And the issue with this is? I dislike how you’re painting this out as scummy when faking you don’t have a gun is 100% the correct play here

Thank you Maria!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Maria. Me or DC today? Voting is underway.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Maria you have so little credibility after that godawful catch-up, everything you have posted feels like it's from a different planet. Vote me or DC or I don't want to hear it. I'm not stepping away for the next 48h, I am writing cases on DC until she's hammered.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm fairly certain that this is the classic case of Known Player Yells At People Like Small Toddler Until He Gets What He Wants. The fragility of the masculinity on this website is astonishing.

Why is anyone actually scumreading me? The two main suggestions seem to be I'm Too Townie To Be Town and because I deflated two wagons. Why is this a reason to think I'm scum @anyone scumreading me?

This actually could be Enter

I wish it was... this one is as toxic as I can be.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel like I'm on a different planet than everyone so I'm glad we agree on that.

Hahaha yeah you are.

[Albert B. Rampage]

A simple no would've been fine Fire you didn't need to be rude about it.

I feel like I'm on a different planet than everyone so I'm glad we agree on that.

Maria, why do you think ABR is town?

Local man suddenly gets run up on a wagon and decides to death tunnel 1 player thinking it'll get them townread.

What's that? Scum wouldn't do that because that's an idiotic move and they're probably town anyway? By god Jimmy get the reporters out here we have a scoop.

(Lmk if any of that didn't translate)

Too bad it didn't start with "Florida man"

[Albert B. Rampage]

If ABR is in fact town then it means that MariaR is right and scum is staying out of it/positioning on it to be on both sides probably. It's hard to judge ABR's pushing from my point of view because I know that he's hard pushing town (with reasons that he alludes to but doesn't provide, continuously). Chkflip has tilted me slightly, but he's probably just being an asshole. So ideally I'd like to talk to someone who is still relatively level-headed here to try and assess where the push is coming from

Your case is coming. Wait two hours.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What's your take on cakez, Maria?

Whats your take on Sircakez? And something smart? And Maria?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Short version of your case? Buddy Maria was getting voted and Fire outed me as gun, you/cakez felt vulnerable N1 because you all chose guns too, you and cakez decided to railroad me because you smelled weakness and I was an easy target.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Short version of your case? Buddy Maria was getting voted and Fire outed me as gun, you/cakez felt vulnerable N1 because you all chose guns too, you and cakez decided to railroad me because you smelled weakness and I was an easy target.

So my decision was to *checks notes* force you into a confrontation instead of just using the NK on you while lynching someone easy like eyestott as a diversion from Maria? Yes, makes

perfect

sense.

I correctly called you/cakez and all the other townies unvoted me except you and cakez because you were caught off guard, cornered, and skewered with a case dropping on you within 120 minutes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyone with any knowledge of ABR would not expect him to sit down and be lynched, but him not doing anything is a very valid reason to push his lynch.

Sure. But did you expect him to deathtunnel you just for voting him?

Bang on. The answer is *checks DC'S notes* no.

[Albert B. Rampage]

See, my point about toxic masculinity is that only a man could be this wrong and yet this confident in it.

If you're offended I slipped and referred to you as "she", that was accidental. I'm well aware of the way you operate and how you use people to your advantage. But the personal attacks are a nice touch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR is totally ignoring me because he knows my meta of him is right and his play for 90% of today was not town
Other people unvotes cuz they are weaksauce and are scared of the loud man
or they are scum perhaps

If we want to talk about on the sidelines I present eyestott, who was coasting even before this real-life event came up

Don't be salty you got caught, sir. Your game was tight enough to slip past most players' scumdar. I'm vigging you tonight and we can chat in the post-game tomorrow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey let's try to just be civil okay. We can lynch DC no muss fuss. Egos checked at the door.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i left a few hours ago on p 51 ish

wtf

DC claimed scum with cakez

Catch up and vote him

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would like to talk to anyone who is not ABR or chkflip, currently.

DC, why did you pick voting ABR over joining the existing wagon on eyestott, who was also in your scumpool?

I don't know, really. Partly because the game felt stalled and I was thinking that might be because eyestott was town and scum were fine with his lynch. Like my preferred trio there was (eyestott, knightmare, ABR) and two of those hadn't resulted in much happening re:gamestate. So it just seemed more productive to go somewhere new.

It wasnt stalled, Maria had just gotten 4 votes to be the leading bandwagon within a couple pages.

bring it scumbag
I'll enjoy sipping tea in the dead thread and watching this town burn itself down because they are blind

Nice. You sound almost as pro-town as me

Did you ask DC to vote me in your scum pt?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would like to talk to anyone who is not ABR or chkflip, currently.

DC, why did you pick voting ABR over joining the existing wagon on eyestott, who was also in your scumpool?

Lillith and FB, I grow weary taking insults from the scumbuddies, please cross-examine them to your heart's content, I have people to see and cases to drop.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want to see ABR and Don put bullets in each other's heads tonight. I really don't think there's enough evidence on one or the other to make that not optimal.

I haven't written the case yet, there will be ample evidence so be patient.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My record speaks for itself, you're pulling a play from the 2017 book and it's not going to work. "Oh I am angry and abr is so antitown I will vig him even though I was trying to get him lynched but now that I have no support I have to reverse those reads to say hes town but so wrong he will cost us the game"

[Albert B. Rampage]

Looky, looky what someone caught.

And now for DC backtrack to begin.

This kind of post

is

not

helping

Don't try to shame farside, snarky is her middle name.

She points out the hypocrisy of a hopeless false mask DC is trying to fool you with.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I look forward to post game when I can go back through ABR's pronouncements on my scum-ness once it's outed that I'm town.

this post is town AF I literally had the same thought in Doubles Mafia more than once when Churros was death tunneling me
farside knows what I'm talking about

I wouldn't say I have scum meta for ABR like this but I sure as hell don't have town meta for it

THIS STRATEGY THAT WE DEPLOYED IN OUR SCUM PT BETWEEN 2PM AND 4PM IS WORKING

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't try to shame farside, snarky is her middle name.

She points out the hypocrisy of a hopeless false mask DC is trying to fool you with.

I was the one who pointed out the hypocrisy and tried to understand it. She's just taunting.

I'll make you a deal. I'll step out for 90 minutes if DC does the same. Give the thread some room to breathe. That works?

[Albert B. Rampage]

We currently have

(1) a big shouty Man demanding that people lynch who he wants
(2) who is deeply, deeply wrong but unable to see that or to acknowledge that he is much more fallible than he's pretending
(3) a town who are willing to sheep said Man despite the lack of reason to do so

90min ceasefire, each to our corners while we work on substance, does that work for you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

We currently have

(1) a big shouty Man demanding that people lynch who he wants
(2) who is deeply, deeply wrong but unable to see that or to acknowledge that he is much more fallible than he's pretending
(3) a town who are willing to sheep said Man despite the lack of reason to do so

come on.... cakez/farside/lillith jumped on my throat same way as you got votes, don't tell me the reasons for voting me were good but the reasons for voting you are because I am shouting, it isn't true.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's Maria/Cakez/DC. It's as simple as that. Case incoming.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What do you think about farside and chkflip? I don't think either of them has any interest in actually trying to sort me at this point, but idk if that means they're scum or not. I want to say yes it does, because surely town wouldn't death tunnel without any interest in whether they're tunnelling town or not but sadly we both know that isn't true.

I got 4 votes on me and I correctly predicted who the scum were so that the townies unvoted me and DC/Cakez vanished for 2 hours in daychat and came back together deciding to deploy a scummy counter-OMGUS "hes town but so wrong he will cost the whole town the game so I will gun him N1" story, I'm sorry, this is serious, serious obvscum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Like when I've been in this situation before with RC I've called him locktown because I thought that he was good enough to (despite his incredibly bad read on me) still solve the game and lynch the remaining scum. I don't have faith in ABR to do the same and to not just mislynch more while still alive while providing cover to scum to hide behind.

You're very good at scum, I've always given you that. What's your win ratio as scum nowadays?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Town shooting town only makes it easier for scum to endgame. DC is cunning, knows that, and is faking being "emotional town", and it's not persuasive to me. Is it persuasive to you, ss? You buy this act? Taking into account the logical way DC approached the game before I caught him?

[Albert B. Rampage]

People who are wagoning Don with the mindset of 'Don got the wagon off his scum buddy Maria' but voting Dun over me are super sus because if that's the logic you're going with wouldn't I have the more important gun?

I think Fire and Lillith were the true believers of eye and Maria.

The rest -including me and farside- wanted to progress the game without believing it in our heart of hearts.

So the people voting DC are not the same wagon leaders for eye/maria.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If ABR is town, do you think he'll find scum tomorrow/on D3? Alternatively, are you telling me you think he won't be LYLO mislynched as town after having been on the wrong side of leading 3 lynches in that scenario?

Oh no lylo fear-mongering on day 1, did you copy that from a real town from another game? It's not working.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR what are you gonna do once I flip town?

If you flip town, I will re-evaluate reads, defer to other players, and carry on

as I have been doing all of Day 1 before I caught you.

There's no reason for you to believe that I would stay this active and engaged if I was proven wrong. The only reason I had to out myself as a gun was because I know you're scum and the others should have the chance to read my case.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Town shooting town only makes it easier for scum to endgame. DC is cunning, knows that, and is faking being "emotional town", and it's not persuasive to me. Is it persuasive to you, ss?

I don't really see any emotion in his argument? The logic is valid, I'm just not sure I agree with his premise that you will continue to drive town into the ground after he's dead.

It's not exactly persuasive, but I can certainly see it as coming from town. If you're trying to argue that townies never propose plans that help scum, well, I wholeheartedly disagree.

It's an appeal to emotion DC copied from town because he has a lot of experience; I have a lot of experience too.

DC isn't an appeal to emotion player, DC is a rational thinker trying to fake having normal human emotions playing scum. Some Dexter level shit.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's not exactly persuasive, but I can certainly see it as coming from town.

Honestly the thing that weirds me out the most about Don is that in his shoes I would be REALLY paranoid of ABR being scum, even if I did decide that ABR was likely town. I feel like most people would react similarly, but I'm not seeing any of it at all.

Dude dude dude dude… the way DC has approached this game is not from a town mindset, it is cherrypicking things town people say and do and mixing and matching it with an overarching playstyle and philosophy that precludes saying things like "hes town but I will vig him N1 to help the town", the entire horseplay is meant to divert a lynch on DC

at all cost

. They will say anything, do anything, unvote me and vote farside or anyone else in this town to save DC. Their only objective: distraction and defusal.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's an appeal to emotion DC copied from town because he has a lot of experience; I have a lot of experience too.

DC isn't an appeal to emotion player, DC is a rational thinker trying to fake having normal human emotions playing scum. Some Dexter level shit.

Where's the appeal to emotion then? Show me.

I'm sort of a leading expert on emotional appeals.

DC has capitulated on being able to manipulate me off of him and is resorting to try to manipulate the town into not lynching him today.

Normal town would feel the pressure of 5 votes, their main scumread blowing up / flailing, and never give up their scumread of me, like you correctly pointed out.

The feeling you get of being falsely accused is so powerful and hardcoded into your DNA that you will confbias yourself to never give that up.

But DC is trying to avoid 1v1 me during the day because as soon as he flips, the rest of the team has 3 guns pointed at a small POE list of likely scumbuddies.

More strategic to kill me tonight, but what's the play to move forward onto another mislynch when I'm so gung ho on him?

"I will vig him tonight and he can vig me and the problem will take care of itself". Demonstrably bad for the town if he's scum, doubly so if it's TvT

just like he said he thinks it is.

I have a few questions for everyone:

1) If there was a scum team, and DC was one of the three scum, do you think DC would be their leader / their best asset / the most influential player in their team?
2) If you were falsely accused by me on a death tunnel and you were town, would you turn down the chance to 1v1 me?
3) If you were scum being death tunneled by me, how would you consider gaslighting me?

DC's entire defense appeal is "don't listen to loud man shouting" and trying to ignore me. Maria seems to be advocating for this indirectly to save DC. Cakez is already committed to DC's side.

They are in a fucking tough position if I'm right. If I'm wrong, do you think I'm wrong about them

all

and that farside is scum? I can't see it

at all.

I could write an entire case about farside obvtowning this game, put aside the fact that I've had the exact same reactions as her for most of the game.

When you look at the story unfolding between Maria, Cakez, me and DC, take away the drama, and you are left with a couple facts.

1) DC derailed Maria
2) I was weak, not controlling the thread at all, not derailing anyone, and laying low
3) I realize what's happening and vow to lynch DC D1
4) DC leaves the thread with cakez for 2 hours, all three are gone (maria, cakez, DC) and the rest of the town is down to lynch DC
5) They come back coordinated, and now try to derail DC

I had accurate predictions that lillith and farside were town and they unvoted me to reconsider. Because they are thinking about their endgame, they are strategizing for a stronger position and more control. DC is accusing me of control, but I have not been controlling until I was absolutely sure of my shot, and yes, I will die for what I believe. I will die for this town and my beliefs and we will all win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

EBWOP

Because scum would instead think about their endgame, strategizing for a stronger position and more control.**

Farside and Lillith seem genuinely unsure of themselves and using critical thinking with real doubts.

Cakez/DC if you look at their iso are telling you what to think. And Maria is in her own world.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I really dont like the last two sentences of that ABR post.

I can show you many town games I played with similar things I said, I'm emotional with mafia.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My scum game is super obvious.

Exibit A: viewtopic.php?p=6639013#p6639013

Exibit B: viewtopic.php?p=6488455#p6488455

Exibit C: viewtopic.php?p=6847119#p6847119

Look at any of my games it's painfully obvious the difference in passion between town and scum, I can't fake it because it's all real emotions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Albert if Don is town who is scum?
btw I can't believe you changed your avatar

Why can't you believe it?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Getting shitwagoned to death always throws my reads off but probably (

farside, chkflip, eyestott/Knightmare, Lilith/cakez, Vecna

?) should have all the scum, where each forward slash pair is one scum max in that group and Vecna is the one I’m least confident on but don’t really want to check.

Also for fuck’s sake stop letting ABR lead anything. Scum if you’re elsewhere than in those names then I think you’re playing well and I’ll be rooting for you in dead thread!

Hold on. Are you saying you're willing to lynch any player in your POE?

I'm pretty sure that cakez is scum and the last couple pages took real effort and humility for you to descend to such antitown depths, so I'm willing to move my vote for cakez if you are.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So ABR shots someone other then don in his scum pile

I can lynch cakez and shoot maria tonight or vice versa. Any preference?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everyone who thinks DC is scum by this point probably already voted him, so the rest of you on the sidelines think what, this is TvT?

If that's what the majority thinks, and DC backtracks on all the antitown promises he made (self-voting, shooting town "because town will listen to abr", personal insults, bizarre proclamations about masculinity on the site) if all that is taken back, then IF it's been TvT then we're still in a decent position to lynch scum day 1 and shoot them N1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So ABR shots someone other then don in his scum pile

I can lynch cakez and shoot maria tonight or vice versa. Any preference?

I would work with that if push comes to shove. I don't see why we can't just lynch Maria. She has done no sorting of anything and helped antagonize the fight. The only reason Don didn't list her is because she didn't vote him.
Don needs to come back.

Don thinks Maria is town and we might just get more players on cakez.

VOTE: sircakez

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey I think it's bad too, but as I said before this game has 3 gun players that are town.

If Don is one and I'm the other, did I miss one or are they unclaimed?

[Albert B. Rampage]

So things got weird here.

Ummm are we gonna do Maria lynch then?

Why are you townreading cakez?

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: maria

I'll shoot cakez tonight.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not shooting DC no matter what. Scum have no choice but to NK me or DC tonight if they want a safe kill.

[Albert B. Rampage]

cakez is largely a sheep. I dont like the defense of DC earlier. the 100% insistence on DC's innocence to me either says scum defending non-scum for townpoints post-flip, or scum defending scum. I don't see why a townie could be that confident. Maybe I'm wrong?

You are right my friend!

[Albert B. Rampage]

@lilith why is it scummy for chkflip to get on the DC wagon with me after SRing me, but not scummy for me to do the same after SRing chk? also, your lynch pool now stands at 7 people, right? do you scum read all 7? There's something in the way lilith changes her mind that feels off, but its just a gut feeling. Maybe a close look over her ISO would shed light. I might do that later if this wagon gets going.

Somehow I missed that you were also scumreading chkflip. So why were you okay with joining a wagon with chkflip on it if you’re still scumreading him?

My lynchpool was only 4 people so where are you getting 7 from? Who are the other 3? I don’t think all of them are scum but I think at least 1 is.

What did I change my mind about that feels off to you? I was already showing signs of scumreading you, chkflip, and vecna prior to my post? I had already backed off ABR because he had some good points but I hadn’t really said anything about DC to change my mind about. Farside I’m uncertain of now, but I think that’s the only one?

DC's scum pool is 7 players, he confused you with DC.

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I disagree with almost everything you say and I suspect the majority do lol. For me it's between you sircakez so if you're not voting sircakez, then...

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Disagreeing with something people say is not a scumtell.

It's scummy you're not trying to save yourself by voting sircakez or DC earlier. I had previously read your slot as town but you've done a bad job keeping on board with your antics.

[Albert B. Rampage]

EBWOP keeping me on board*

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It's scummy you're not trying to save yourself by voting sircakez or DC earlier.

????????????????????????

1 day before deadline and she's off on a vanity wagon. She's been doing her own thing this entire game instead of collaborating with others to scumhunt with her townreads.

Both of you are scummy as hell.

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? I feel like “doing your own thing” is actually townier because scum would want to just go with safe/consensus reads so they blend in

I think she cares more about LOOKING town than actually HELPING the town. So she's doing her own thing as a TACTIC rather than from any insight.

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Disagreeing with something people say is not a scumtell.

It's scummy you're not trying to save yourself by voting sircakez or DC earlier. I had previously read your slot as town but you've done a bad job keeping on board with your antics.

You're...joking right?

We have 2 days to get a dif wagon that isn't on people I townread of course if it reaches DL I will vote cakes or DC but we're not at deadline are we.

Another reason you're scummy is your townreads feel made up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, is this better: you're calling me fake for playing emotionally

I'm saying part of your emotions are exaggerated/planned

Okay, how can you tell? It seems like you're just reading my posts and ascribing exaggeration/planning to them

No one can truly tell how the emotions of someone else work. I'm saying I think some of your stuff is fake and I noticed a pattern and a few glaring points. I showed those glaring points and the pattern. I don't think there's much more I can really say on it?

Posts like these are scummy they just are. I don't know what to tell you or ask you Maria, your entire game has been off the mark.

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I don't really know what to tell you then ABR besides you're just, wrong. Maybe you don't understand my game, but I suppose that's all I had to say.

Look if you want me to take my vote to cakez you have to vote for cakez too. I don't know what else to tell you. If you want to leave it to tomorrow during a deadline scramble, that's the risk you choose to take.

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That's fine, that makes 2 players I can't interact with in this playerlist. That's pretty demotivating but, whatever.

I don't see pro-town motivation from you to stay alive or to join the action where it's happening, I just see someone content to sit on their vote while making empty posts that don't convince anyone or move any votes.

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If I were you Maria and I saw resistance to farside being lynched 1 day before deadline, I wouldn't waste my energy on it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Abr: if cakez goes through aim for venca.
I just iso maria and reread it without hate and maybe wrong about how i was interpreted her post.
You can slap me later.

Ok!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don who are you shooting tonight?

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As tempting as it is to fake a scumread on Cakez and act like I've seen the heavens I still think he's town and this is a horrible situation regardless.

Ok let's say farside is town. Walk me through all your scumreads and I will keep an open mind.

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@ABR did you shoot cakez?

Yeah.

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Who did you shoot?

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VOTE: eyestott

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preferred wagons were cakez, lilith, chkflip at least. well really pretty much anyone, although knightmares posts at the very end had me reconsidering.

is it strange that both ABR and DC are alive? those are safe shots for scum right? or are they not good shots cuz they give town too much info?

scum probably shot both SS and firebringer right?

DC needs to claim now.

There's a very real chance that DC is scum who took rose and fakeclaimed gun yesterday.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is the easiest free win we get if DC has fakeclaimed and claims gun on the wrong player who didn't pick rose n1.

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Itll also help scum narrow down who they can kill to reduce the town roses to 3 though.

Not sure if that is their easiest wincon now, which might also just be in numbers if they still have 1-2 guns left for N2 or N3

No we need to know if DC lied or not.

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preferred wagons were cakez, lilith, chkflip at least. well really pretty much anyone, although knightmares posts at the very end had me reconsidering.

is it strange that both ABR and DC are alive? those are safe shots for scum right? or are they not good shots cuz they give town too much info?

scum probably shot both SS and firebringer right?

DC needs to claim now.

There's a very real chance that DC is scum who took rose and fakeclaimed gun yesterday.

Why not see if there is a CC? Or what makes you think scum wouldn't lie about being a rose N1

Im just wondering what makes one more likely then the other for claims.

well if DC says I shot xyz and xyz is alive and picked rose n2 instead of n1, then we know one of them is scum.

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i think if no one cc's gun DC is pretty much cleared, but i rather scumhunt on as much info as possible, and if he claims it will help

[Albert B. Rampage]

Eyestot/votato/chkflip

[Albert B. Rampage]

I shot lilith last night but changed my shot last minute to sircakez

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I just couldnt do it, she played a very well, she didnt deserve to be vigged in the night even though i thought it would solve the game

[Albert B. Rampage]

You played a brilliant game.

I will vote you during the day like a man.

VOTE: Lilith

[Albert B. Rampage]

No I didn't.

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No I didn't.

Is there any reason to think that ABR’s reads today are any better than his reads yesterday?

No. That said i agree with abr on Lilith. I think the other two are chkflip and vecna at this point. Vecna is almost tstbs. VOTE: lilith

We've already effectively massclaimed. Unless there's gun in afk, everyone town aligned is a rose

UNVOTE:

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didn't read the last 2 versions of this game, does anyone know if scum picked to be a rose or did they all pick gun?

I’m both versions one player picked rose

I’ll out who I shot but not before I’m ready to

After everyone has posted you can claim your shot.

No point voting or scumhunting until you do.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm sorry was I on a mislynch bandwagon yesterday? No?

Ohhhh okay, so you're not that special after all.

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didn't read the last 2 versions of this game, does anyone know if scum picked to be a rose or did they all pick gun?

I’m both versions one player picked rose

I’ll out who I shot but not before I’m ready to

You lynched knight and wanted to shoot two confirmed town guns.

I was wrong about 2 players you were wrong about 3 players.

After everyone has posted you can claim your shot.

No point voting or scumhunting until you do.

Hush now, people who didn’t hard tunnel town on D1 twice are playing

[Albert B. Rampage]

You lynched knight and wanted to shoot two confirmed town guns.

I was wrong about 2 players you were wrong about 3 players.

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So unless my math is wrong I think that equals out to check your massive ego at the door? Am I a few decimal points off?

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Can we all agree on lynching votato?

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You lynched knight and wanted to shoot two confirmed town guns.

I was wrong about 2 players you were wrong about 3 players.

I wanted to shoot you because you’re arrogant, wrong, and annoying

I didn't want to shoot you because you're town and I'm not anti-town. That makes me a better player than you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

As far as lilith I also changed my kill last minute for sircakez but I wasn't confident.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everybody was wrong yesterday. It was day 1. Relax.

We have a high chance of hitting scum today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

it doens't have to be votato I'm also looking strongly at lilith eyestot and chkflp

[Albert B. Rampage]

It depends who you shot. I'm not sure.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Interesting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

scum shooting firebringer if maria is scum is quite a lot more likely-sounding

FB wanted eyestot more than maria

[Albert B. Rampage]

maybe eyestot maria chkflip?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I really wish you hadn’t claimed pre-emptively farside, I was trying to do a thing.

I shot farside and she didn’t die, so she’s definitely telling the truth about her role.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nobody scumreads farside.

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Can we lynch one of eyestott/vecna and have icon shoot the other one?

Yes eyesyot