mystery box of silver 10. (done)

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The gamestate is your team is claiming a guilty on April.

If you and Mastina wish to rescind that guilty it changes the gamestate but a rescinded guilty isn’t just scumclaiming

So no there is literally no read I can push because reads can not override a guilty claim.

mastina and I disagree on the strength of the setup spec. I have an independent SR of April. It's not a guilty.

Mastina is claiming a guilty then.

You’re a package deal with Mastina per your claim.

Unless she rescinds her claim it’s a guilty.

She said she has info making April scum. That’s called a guilty. It’s not a read it’s a guilty.

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The gamestate is your team is claiming a guilty on April.

If you and Mastina wish to rescind that guilty it changes the gamestate but a rescinded guilty isn’t just scumclaiming

So no there is literally no read I can push because reads can not override a guilty claim.

mastina and I disagree on the strength of the setup spec. I have an independent SR of April. It's not a guilty.

Mastina is claiming a guilty then.

You’re a package deal with Mastina per your claim.

Unless she rescinds her claim it’s a guilty.

She said she has info making April scum. That’s called a guilty. It’s not a read it’s a guilty.

That's a read, based off info.

A guilty is different.

Hahahahaha funny.

That’s like saying a cop getting a red on someone is not a guilty it’s a read based off info.

You won’t say what the info is, but say April is lock scum.

That’s called a guilty.

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Okay then what’s the information so we can adequately decide for ourselves? If we can’t then we have to take Mastina’s word that it’s a confScum as she said and evaluate in it accordingly.

You either gotta give us something or we have to keep you accountable to your words since your 3P

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Okay then what’s the information so we can adequately decide for ourselves? If we can’t then we have to take Mastina’s word that it’s a confScum as she said and evaluate in it accordingly.

You either gotta give us something or we have to keep you accountable to your words since your 3P

You can decide for yourself based on the info we are willing to present when we present it.

I have heard the info. It's not making April confScum, so I am willing to discuss what I feel comfortable talking about right now. There's plenty of evidence to discuss the read.

You don't have to vote with us if you think there's a better Army target.

Lol “Hey guys April is conf scum we have info”

Me asks for info

Titus we will share it when we feel like it

How the fuck are we supposed to assess if your info is good if we can’t have it or exe April?

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I’m mod confirmed not scum.

No you aren't?

If you believe Titus and Mastina they are.

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ongoing games thing removed ~s

Good for you. I think April is town however.

Mastina is claiming April is conf scum because of “info”.

Titus says we can’t have the “info”.

So I don’t see a way other than to exe my town read to prove Mastina and Titus are full of BS.

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She said she has info making April scum. That’s called a guilty. It’s not a read it’s a guilty.

That's not what she said. She said she had mechanical info from which she has deduced that he's scum. But we have no evidence that the deduction was sound.

Potato potatoh

I have been told point blank several times to trust Titus and Mastina.

So either they have to give the info or I trust the conclusion is good.

It’s a lose lose situation.

If I push anyone else I am not “trusting Titus and Mastina”.

If I ask for evidence I am told good well and ready.

So what else am I supposed to do to see if they are town siding other than exe April?

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Math, I never ever want to vote you this game, but whatever your problem is, there must be a better way to communicate in a productive, protown manner.

This is a protown manner.

I am explaining my dilemma.

People aren’t addressing the dilemma.

I try again.

People aren’t addressing the dilemma.

I give up and submit to sheer silliness.

Now I am getting yelled at for how I am pointing out the silliness.

Like it’s ridiculous.

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Potato potatoh

For the record, I'm on your side, but I think it is important to point out that this is NOT a guilty-- it's just mastina's OPINION. An opinion that others may disagree with.

Conf scum != opinion
Conf scum = confirmed scum

Mastina says she has info that makes April confirmed scum.

So I trust her and do that.

Like literally do you want me to put a smile on my face and do a jig?

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Math, I never ever want to vote you this game, but whatever your problem is, there must be a better way to communicate in a productive, protown manner.

This is a protown manner.

I am explaining my dilemma.

People aren’t addressing the dilemma.

I try again.

People aren’t addressing the dilemma.

I give up and submit to sheer silliness.

Now I am getting yelled at for how I am pointing out the silliness.

Like it’s ridiculous.

Please compromise. There is definitely a way for you to make your point once or twice and move on while playing with it in mind.
It's not like trusting people is a good idea in this game without sufficient evidence to back up that level of trust.

I am compromising by lynching my townread.

I don’t know how much more compromise you get here.

The alternative is I just vote park Mastina until she gives me something I can trust. I already caught her lying once.

I don’t think all six of the 3Ps are lying but I do believe there’s some deception going on.

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I really want to see what Mastina thinks. Mastina while great at scum isn’t the best liar.

Okay, this is me not lying:
I have VERY good setup based reasons to believe that April Ludgate's roleclaim is complete and utter bullshit.

This is not confscum. This is an opinion.

Mastina labels April conf scum in a separate post.

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I don't think I ever want to tell someone to do that. But my win condition might depend on whether you're willing to crack a smile and take it in stride.

Here you go

There’s your smile.

I gotta go

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Lunch break Gonna skim.

@ me for important shit

Here’s another smile for Bell

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Let me put it as simple as this: We are NOT "Army". Society are NOT "Army".

I am part of the BTS army

Vigi pls end his suffering

I wish a vig would shoot DDL I would be really happy. Let’s get rid of lurkers and keep the players. That’d make me joyous.

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April Ludgate is basically guiltied scum, so we have a free D2 scum lynch to pair with our D1 scum lynch.

i guess ill just do this like all my other homies
VOTE: april

Kill DDL with fire please someone...like this day pisses me off

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like this day pisses me off

Just for you.

Thank you. Pretend I ate the non chocolate equivalent.

Don’t like Titus posting.

Finishes it.

There now stop teasing superbowl.

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they didn't know it was disloyal

GDI that's NOT the issue. Lets' assume HYPOTHETICALLY that shelly is scum here. Let's assume that she did get a Cop shot. Now.. in that very situation she knows a) Her own alignment is NOT Town, b) that she did receive the Cop shot, and c) That you are NOT of the same alignment as she is.

This means that she knows she got a Cop shot from someone who IS NOT ALIGNED WITH HER, thus she KNOWS you are DISLOYAL.

You can TR shelly as much as you want based in PLAY, but when it vomes to MECHANICS she is NOT AT ALL CLEARED.

Almost50 careful. People will brand you as ridiculous if you go too far.

Just smile and accept the silliness

Got an extra snickers EE? I have a feeling it’s going to be that kind of day

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they didn't know it was disloyal

No they didn’t.

Imagine if Shelly is scum.

What is easier to guess?
“I got nothing”
Or
“I got fruit”

No one would expect the cop check.

It’s inherently easier to guess “got nothing” and hope it works out

If shelly is scum she

did

get the Cop shot. There's be no guessing involved there AT ALL. She would KNOW what she GOT.

Guess it’s really hard to put myself in scums shoes when I don’t even know if they exist. Rotflmbo

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Elaborate please

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Right. I don’t trust Gamma. He was outed scum.

Plus also Menalque flipped town when Gamma said they weren’t town.

So what exactly stops this?

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I mean it’s much more likely there’s group scum or that’s a Hell of a gambit by Titus and Mastina but I will be damned if the idea of evil 3P doesn’t leave my brain.

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I mean. You’re taking gamma at his word after he outed “not town” aligned.

What non-Scum claims Scum upon their death?? Why tag his whole faction as SCUM if they are not???

Mastina’s wolverine game for starters. I claimed about 20 different things other than scum to try to give my team an edge.

3P is technically scum to most people on site as site meta.

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they didn't know it was disloyal

GDI that's NOT the issue. Lets' assume HYPOTHETICALLY that shelly is scum here. Let's assume that she did get a Cop shot. Now.. in that very situation she knows a) Her own alignment is NOT Town, b) that she did receive the Cop shot, and c) That you are NOT of the same alignment as she is.

This means that she knows she got a Cop shot from someone who IS NOT ALIGNED WITH HER, thus she KNOWS you are DISLOYAL.

You can TR shelly as much as you want based in PLAY, but when it vomes to MECHANICS she is NOT AT ALL CLEARED.

And this is why we dont give out info baselessly kids, even if we think it's nice to have everyone on the same page

Correct. I said that before when we had two claims out.

But some information you do give.

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meanwhile, while you all argue Nero is vote parked on scum.

Why is Taylor scum? I want her to be scum but my scumhunting is leading me a different way.

i want taylor to be scum too!!

Hmmm.. that explains why you put a 0 instead of the o. So are you Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj, or Scooter Braun??

Oh, WAIT! I know who you are.. Kanye West!

Nope! That’s my job. I stole the mic from Titus and Mastina and declared April should be Townie of the year
But we’re gonna give April the execution anyway.

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I guess shouldn’t try humor Okay I tried to make people smile.

No more jokes.

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This is the exact same thing Gamma attempted here:

Is that before or after Neighborizer claimed?

Gamma died D1
Titus claimed D2 iirc

Correct me if wrong please

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I want Titus to neighborize someone they townread so the win con is public.

i volunteer

Titus doesn’t say who except she gives a list of townreads at EoD and then picks one at random who she thinks won’t get killed. Then she and her buddies share the wincon and it gets paraphrased out.

None of this generic “i side with town crap” I want specifics.

I'll say it again: Society will decide on their own and they know what to do best. Also, since we share a hood the 2 factions combined know a whole lot more than the average Townie, so excuse me when I say you are drifting far far away from the correct path to Town victory with your wild theories. (You're entitled to them, but this is a gentle reminder that I do know MUCH more than you do now, plus -as I said to Swift- what the hell are you thinking? If we are "scorched earth" and they are also, how the hell does that make us allies? Shouldn't we be fighting each other because -to my understanding- scorched earth means we win when everyone else has lost. No?

1) Okay then. Decide your plan. But if you come up with trust me it’s conf and back off I will give you the same shit as Titus.

2) You clearly misread my point or i miss explained it. As. I said it was moon logic and it’s eating at me that doesn’t make it right. I am thinking a lot of things. I just have a really strong feeling this April exe is bad. Nearly everything Titus is doing is bad. I am thinking do anything to stop her so we don’t lose.

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@Math, It's one thing to think the April exe is bad. You can engage my reasons for it. You can put forth your own execution.

What you cannot do is say whatever Titus does is bad. That's just toxic sibling rivalry and needs to stop.

I already explained why I can’t do that. Please don’t restart this Titus.

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You explained why you can't put forth your own reads? Where?

I explained I can’t suggest another execution target because Mastina “conf scum” (her words). It was a thing.

She said it was a guilty. ISO her.

I don’t want to restart this. Please.

Move on Titus just assume I disagree and am stubborn.

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You can suggest another execution because people told you she was exaggerating.

Plus, wouldn't you want to give reads anyway in case you're shot?

We can solve the rest of the game even if you think April is a foregone conclusion.

People told me. You mean like you who wants to shirk accountability? You’re 95% sure. This is token.

I won’t get shot. I never get shot when I argue with you. And if I do you’ll remember the pain points better than anyone if you’re town.

We can solve the game when one of us has proof we’re wrong. Some of my reads I can’t say for reasons.

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Alright, if you feel that April is a forgone conclusion and you can't discuss your reads, what's the point in posting?

To convince people you’re scum siding/scum so they can see it tomorrow.
Titus+Mastina combo is a scum team of nightmares with your skills.

So I have to be three steps ahead of you if I want to win.

Because I think you’re scum siding 3P or just flat out scum.

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I’ve given up on reaching you Titus.

I am playing for town.

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Alright, if you feel that April is a forgone conclusion and you can't discuss your reads, what's the point in posting?

To convince people you’re scum siding/scum so they can see it tomorrow.
Titus+Mastina combo is a scum team of nightmares with your skills.

So I have to be three steps ahead of you if I want to win.

Because I think you’re scum siding 3P or just flat out scum.

So you can't discuss your reads, you can't stop the wagon, and your sole purpose in this thread today is to screech I am evil despite what you've been told repeatedly.

You claim you've given up trying to reach me, so you're going to spout I am evil. You can't have it both ways. Either your mission is to stop me, no matter what, or you can be trying to reach me.

The door's open if you ever want to talk rationally. I'm not going to push you on your reads that you can't push for "reasons" but I do expect there to be someone we can talk about.

That’s why I quit talking with you.

I told you where I am.

Only Mastina can back out of it.

And if she does she’s >75% scum and then so are you by claim.

Anything else just gives you more ammo.

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It seems like we're getting a deeper look into family relations here in this game of mafia and it's kinda weird.

Can we not please? I did enough of that during transition.

Please keep it to the game. Even if you think I am the world’s biggest asshole.

I’d rather not have this get worse than it already is.

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Titus' brother seems very certain she is scum. Maybe it is so.

I am around 75-80% certain +-X that Titus is wrong here.

She has yet to convince me her wrongness is town. Especially after driving a 3P wagon yesterday.

This is the only way I know to reach her since other ways failed.

Mastina can either unclaim her “conf scum” and then explain wtf she was thinking
Or they can keep to it.

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Cause she's got that Flavoh Fevah~
Mmm Mmm, got that Flavoh Fevah~

Eyy, they know what’s up.


Also, DDL’s also a misfade.

What’s a misfade?

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Cause she's got that Flavoh Fevah~
Mmm Mmm, got that Flavoh Fevah~

Eyy, they know what’s up.


Also, DDL’s also a misfade.

What’s a misfade?

I’ve been saying Fade for the L word

Understood. I have been using execution. Fade is cooler.

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@Mathblade - you are not wrong to town read me. Titus and Mastina need to get rid of me here because I am their biggest threat of them gaining momentum.

Please trust your read.

I don’t know what you’re saying this for.

Pretty sure I picked up what you’re putting down.

Kinda not my place to say though I think.

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The 3rd party are trying to control the game. Do not let them.

Yes because it worked so poorly yesterday

I thought Menalque pushed it through?

I don’t remember the 3rd party pushing yesterday, so what’s this mean?

In my vca (keep in mind I can’t read for tone for shit when blitzing pages) it looked like RVS votes and when I looked at the votes almost all the 3P claims were on it.

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@Mathblade - you are not wrong to town read me. Titus and Mastina need to get rid of me here because I am their biggest threat of them gaining momentum.

Please trust your read.

I don’t know what you’re saying this for.

Pretty sure I picked up what you’re putting down.

Kinda not my place to say though I think.

yo can we townblock with you both?

April-Math-Morning. Hell, maybe we can be 3p masons too?

Do blocks however you want.

As I have said I hate town blocks. I have town reads which I am keeping close to the chest because playing chess with Titus is exhausting and I need a way to do it. I am not 3P so no on the mason bit.

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@Mathblade - you are not wrong to town read me. Titus and Mastina need to get rid of me here because I am their biggest threat of them gaining momentum.

Please trust your read.

I don’t know what you’re saying this for.

Pretty sure I picked up what you’re putting down.

Kinda not my place to say though I think.

yo can we townblock with you both?

April-Math-Morning. Hell, maybe we can be 3p masons too?

PlusJoyed can come too.

I would’ve invited Taylor, but they’re being surface level.

And don’t get me wrong, I’ve been surface level from time to time, I am not here.

I don’t know enough about Taylor to determine surface/deep but vca says they’re probably town so I would rather go after someone else. If they haven’t wowed me then I don’t mind relooking later

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did titus ever say what she did?

Neighborized a50

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It was majority 3P. I find it sus that Nero is pushing for April but on latest VC isn’t voting them. Care to explain? @Nero

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yes, i don't need to vote yet. Stop hunting 3p and look for scum.

Oh I am. I think you’re scum with Titus and Mastina. I don’t know the how but I am getting closer to the why.

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It was majority 3P. I find it sus that Nero is pushing for April but on latest VC isn’t voting them. Care to explain? @Nero

Yes because we have the info that shades them lol why is this surprising

It’s a common scum tactic to shade someone yet never vote there so wagon data gets thrown off.

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April's reaction seems to read as anger that they were figured out to me. Keeps saying people are too "surface level", which doesn't make much sense if they want us to take their word at face value. Wouldn't they want us to be more surface level to just look at what they've said? It makes sense from a perspective of "my fake claim was so good these plebs just don't get what a good play it was"

Nah. I disagree. It reads as “wtf. I am actually losing to Titus and the plan I set up to catch her is F’d and just hit their breaking point and left. I can at least see that argument as something viable though. Better than the BS spewed before.

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I think you’re scum with Titus and Mastina

We are an outted 3p group. You should be looking for kings army.

but then you can't hunt your own faction can you?

You’ve claimed 3P.

If you’re scum siding (most likely) you’re scum
The other alternative is group scum (less likely)

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It’s a common scum tactic to shade someone yet never vote there so wagon data gets thrown off.

I mean, I don't have to vote there immediately or anything.

I find it hilarious that you are "hunting" an outted group.

Nothing is outed or explained. It would give me true joy if you all would just explain stuff instead of “I decree the execution is player X. Conf.” And expect people to follow you like sheep.

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There are claims not explanations.

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yes ok fine but your missing the point.

We are an outted group.

There is a not outted group of legit scum that are a harm to the town called the kings army. You are not hunting for them b/c?

I am hunting them.

Primary focus is on you three since the conf scum claim.

I just refuse to share those reads because ball is in Mastina’s court

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April's reaction seems to read as anger that they were figured out to me. Keeps saying people are too "surface level", which doesn't make much sense if they want us to take their word at face value. Wouldn't they want us to be more surface level to just look at what they've said? It makes sense from a perspective of "my fake claim was so good these plebs just don't get what a good play it was"

Nah. I disagree. It reads as “wtf. I am actually losing to Titus and the plan I set up to catch her is F’d and just hit their breaking point and left. I can at least see that argument as something viable though. Better than the BS spewed before.

Valid. Whenever I see someone tunnel into one "solution" to get them off the hook (anger, deflection, etc.) it scumpings me

It’s not a hook thing. I encourage you to reread some stuff. And yes that’s vague.

Because you seem to actually be a townsiding 3P even though we disagree.

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@Math This still boils down to...

There's a execution I disagree with, so I am going to take my ball and go home and yell at the people who want to play with me on the way out.

You actually undercut your argument that April is innocent with such theatrics.

@Superbowl9 That's Math. Math tunnels. A lot. He becomes convinced his scenario is right and all who disagree him are scum until proven otherwise.

Did you just not read my previous post?

I just said I think superbowl9 is townsiding 3P. He disagrees. His ideas are at least coherent.

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@Super Bowl 2972 iso April for about 5 posts

There were no tantrums just anger.

Please stop classifying what you don’t like as childish.

You’re not town and you’re in control of the game instead of your town meta which is to town block and confirmed town lead.

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There's 4 kings army. Let's find them together. I don't care where your ideas come from as long as they hunt army. We're a team of functional adults. Let's act like it.

And I am.

One possibility is you’re Army and lied to a50.

At the very least you’re pushing a major townread wagon of mine.

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TPG maybe

Pickaxe and Chemist imo

This is literally execute all lurkers

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TPG maybe

Pickaxe and Chemist imo

This is literally execute all lurkers

It's not but scum have every incentive to lurk here and pray for implosion. Chemist has a strong negative reaction.

He posts a small but effective April case and then he throws her a softball so he can get off the wagon.

Pete's a VCA and lurker lynch.

TLDR It’s not but it is.

Nero’s reads at least have effort and a reason.

This is “their post count is low”

I could RNG lurkers here.

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if you think April is town then it's your job to try and lead us away and in the right direction but you aren't doing that. You say you refuse to mention the names of who you think is kings army b/c of Mastina but that IS childish or you know just an excuse to not push outside of our group.

My responsibility is to do what is best for us as town.
Titus is playing with a lot more information than I am and Mastina cornered the game with the conf scum claim.

It has to get sorted.

Don’t rely on me to bail me out of your team’s stupidity when you’re clearly scum siding.

It’s much better to demonstrate you’re scum siding so EE can run the game which you have to do if you’re town siding.

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VOTE: April

from a quick open of their ISO and ctrl+F of gamma i am now convinced

Gamma’s town

Only one way to find out!

I don’t need to find out, I have a soul read.

also, maybe April Ludgate as a hard Gamma defender. although im not sold on that.

boon/april has in the past very much hard defended his buddies.

This is true.

I’ve also been on record unable to read Gamma correctly well over he past year despite my old soul reads

Well, I’m town who just unfortunately defended the person who’s been yelling at me for “incorrectly reading them”.

This is just another incorrect read for me on Gamma.

this

also that pete read is probably just a perspective slip

VOTE: DDL

like

I don't think "they are doing the same thing I am, therefore, they are scum for this reason" is ever a thought from a townie

That's not what he said though.

oh i missed a word

UNVOTE: DDL

april i mostly have you as scum because you claimed to have a soulread on gamma being town

gamma was not town

what exactly gave you that read on gamma?

Why Chemist is scum to me

@Titus I don’t get it. Explain it like I am 5. It looks like you’re starting from April scum and assuming April is scum then these posts are bad versus using thought.

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i mean...our faction helped to lynch scum d1 so...

Irrelevant.

Each day is a new day.

That’s like tossing a coin 10000 times and the last ten times it came up heads so I am due for a tails.

Even if I grant your 3P claim that doesn’t mean you’re townsiding now

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vig on mathblade plox

Nah I would wish the Vig DDL or TGP or Bell. Some lurker. The less lurkers the more scum have to play.

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I'm townier than you'll ever be Math

Great. I don’t give a fuck about appearance.
You’re 3P by definition you’re less Townie.

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ok sure but that still doesn't mean we aren't helping the town. Meanwhile, all you've done is fuss about us and not hunt for the kings army.

Now Titus and I disagree here. She thinks you're just sorta clueless (my words not hers) and sure it's possible that you are just so fixated on this minor detail that you are incapable of moving forward and contributing in a positive manner while I'm a little more cautious and think you could just be using the whole "OMG U GUYS WE HAS CLAIMED 3P HERE!" as an excuse for not hunting Kings army...b/c you are kings army and you can't hunt your own faction.


Yes, you've claimed that you have hunted but you won't say who they are or even try to lead a lynch there b/c Mastina or some petty bullshit.

Cool. Nice summary of the thread. Did you expect restating the same thing over to give a different response?

Assume I am scum for a moment. You know my scum game. Find me a scum game where I didn’t fake hunt. I will wait. I am not scum but you seem fixated on that because I don’t agree and am not catering to you I am scum.

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@Titus.

Those are filled with adjectives showing your bias.

You need to actually explain.

You’re starting from Chemist has to be scum here’s why.

You sound like a boxed in scum.

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This summarizes how I feel about the day. Maybe this will help and not derail the Mastina/Nero/Titus Hunt.

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@Titus.

Those are filled with adjectives showing your bias.

You need to actually explain.

You’re starting from Chemist has to be scum here’s why.

You sound like a boxed in scum.

I am explaining a scumread. Of course I am going to start from the position they're scum when asked to explain.

Do you TR Chemist? If so, why? ELI5.

No. I don’t have a read on Chemist.

A good majority of the game are lurkers. I have a lot of conditionals based on April’s flip here.

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oh makes sense. titus is the one in the hat and mastina is the ghost looking blob thing.

(Joking tone) Are you insulting the talented Superbowl9’s art skills? Scumfirm I tell you! ( this is a joke)

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Also, I don’t think S_S and I debugging is going to work.

Also, would it be strange to ask for some sort of partial mass claim where we just ask who the regular town are?

This would be a bad idea.

Anyone who is 3P would have claimed such.

A mass claim of sorts just invites idiotic ness.

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Bummer. Forget I asked.

Forgotten

Besides pretty sure I am aware who is in A50’s hood anyway and my reads come from that too.

A50 and Super Bowl don’t want to share anyway and we all know how asking goes

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I agree with MathBlade. No massclaim.

Yay we agree on something.

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Our town wincons are the same i presume, which are we win when we eliminate all threats to town

You know, I missed that in my initial role pm. Maybe if i’d looked at it harder, I’d have realized we were in multi ball sooner.

Exactly.

This is why one of the 3P pairings is scum and Titus Mastina and Nero are full of shit.

I have been trying to figure out this multiball all game
To be told over and over it’s singleball.

Pissed me off that does

Almost like it’s a mechanical response or something.

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I mean, we’ll find out as the nights progress won’t we?

My role PM says multiball
Threats plural

Why do I need more nights to find that out?

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I actually directly asked schadd if the game was multi ball when gamma flipped and he said he wouldn’t answer that.

Threats can mean multiple mafia or multiple factions. The yellow alien flip is a big clue tho.

The fact we don’t get flips with wincons is the biggest clue.

Look at how informed Titus Mastina and Nero claim to be.

Just let it sink in.

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Threats plural

The threats to the town include scum member #1, scum member #2, etc. All of those are separate threats.

Is that something that changed while I was in retirement?

Used to be something like “You win when all the scum are dead” iirc

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viewtopic.php?f=50&t=5548

Yeah it is a change grabbed a super old newbie to check.

Can you clarify what you mean by that superbowl?

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I mean, we’ll find out as the nights progress won’t we?

My role PM says multiball
Threats plural

Why do I need more nights to find that out?

Yes but scum are 3p in this so

The last sentence please.

Seems like you’re agreeing with one of my theories the Army is 3P.

You’ve been against this. Seems off.

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Used to be something like “You win when all the scum are dead” iirc

I mean I think it depends on the game. This game clearly has third party shenanigans and so schadd was understandably dodgy about the wincon.

It's possible to have just one anti-town group even despite that wincon. I once ran a game that was singleball but was deliberately presented in a way that made it look like it could be multiball or have a hostile third party.

I agree it’s possible. Just hadn’t seen it since retirement. Or maybe I am just old.

But I just find this situation very odd.

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april ludgate has requested replacement

VOTE: April

Is this hammer?

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That's E-1. I am NOT waiting another 48 hours for mod to find a replacement.

I think that’s hammer. Nero voted in 4342.

Take it that wasn’t intentional?

And thanks goodness for that. Replacing and reading in so far has been rough.

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Trying to find an unvote to see if my eyeballs are bad.

Care to help?

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Do you guys want me to hammer?

I don’t have anything else to add but I kinda wanna see if a50 hammered first to avoid mod confusion and weird vote counts for later.

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K I believe a50 hammered.
Just noting that for later VCA stuff.

I don’t object to extra hammerage if you don’t trust my math

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Almost50 anything you wanna discuss since the hammer seemed unintentional?

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Oh well. It should be a scumflip.

Hopefully.

Yes. If it's not, I'll pray to get vigged because I'll hear no end of it from Math.

I hope it’s scum because then awesome.

If it is though I kinda will expect to hear nothing but shit from Titus and Mastina and then just probably crawl under a rock and hide and go yes ma’am I am your loyal sheep

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I feel like today is a blessing to helping sort MathBlade. There's going to be no 3p execution and he'll have to give reads on the pool. If he doesn't, off with his head.

I disagree with Nero on the reads. I would lynch Pere first, then jjh927 then DDL.

mastina was wrong. It happens.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Spoiler: Math Message

Dear Mathblade,

The six of us have been talking remotely about you and what to do about you. The general consensus is that we don't know if you're scum, but we have no problem executing you. The only exceptions are the one or two people who flat out scumread you.

That being said, as of now, you are not the main priority for an execution. We really need to hit scum today. Another lynch fueled partially by personal biases hitting town helps no one.

Therefore, we decided to write you a note to tell you what you can do to improve the general health of the game, increase your chance of survival and ultimately increase your influence in future games. This boils down to three things: limiting your post volume, listening more to others, and actually hunting army instead of just strictly opposing us.

The first two items go hand in hand. Responding to everything makes it much harder to respond to what needed to be responded to. For instance, shelly posted a content wall that completely missed her need to respond to the question about if she was visited. This means town shelly can't keep up with the developments or scum shelly needed cover to get her response together. There's no way to know if the response is scummy. Running most gambits is impossible at the rate the game goes. To that end, I suggest you limit yourself to thirty posts a real life day.

This limitation also hopefully helps you listen more. Even if you think we're a massive scum cabal, direct, spammy opposition doesn't help. It demotivates people from changing their minds on a lynch. Maybe someone stands up to mastina if we all weren't so exhausted from dealing/reading your posts repeating the same thing. Instead, documenting our allegedly evil ways in a post per day might get more interaction.

The last thing you need to do is show you're hunting army outside of us. We've tried to engage you on this. You have said you can't discuss your reads based on "reasons". This feels more spiteful than actually scummy. We're giving you a chance to prove that right and that you have reads. Titus found it icky that you defended chemist without a townread there. We look forward to actually discussing reads with you, in a less spammy manner. That hopefully will let us sort each other.

When you take the time to listen rather than talk, objectives and then alignment get revealed.

Good luck,

The group of 6

Spoiler: Response to the hood

So let me get this straight. You think when you have demonstratable proof that you’re wrong you decide

“Hey let’s not do a reset let’s antagonize the dude who tried to help fix that.”

Yesterday was weird. I admit that.

I was telling you to LIE or fix the setup yesterday if you’re townsiding.
None of the wincons have flipped likely for a reason. My hunch is scum know (blah).

April and myself were talking about high level plays. There was an entire discussion about it. We were trying to figure out a way to save your damn bacon.

I specifically said “Hey Mastina sucks at lying” (paraphrase)

I kept trying to nudge you in a way that was beneficial but still honest
Because if you’re truthtelling we are fucked. If one of the most mechanically smart players is acting like a fuckin idiot why? I was trying to communicate a way to get what you wanted to say without screwing your over. I brought up old style wincons. Go back and look at them. I am begging you.

So go back and tell me your mistake. Yes there is one. There HAS to be. All six of you go fucking find it if you have to. If you say there is no mistake then by gods, I am in a rock and a hard place. If I post a readwall I help scum. If I don’t then I have the people who clearly “know better than me” and who I doubt is townsiding with their silliness are going to tunnel me to no end.

April and I were trying to set up a cop check chain to help too with Plusjoy. Why do you think MY closest thing to a townblock is getting ripped to shreds here? I am getting left alive as fodder for the six of you to decide “Math isn’t working with you.”


If I do a readwall then I admitted whether I think you’re telling the truth about the setup. But working backwards you HAVE to be wrong about something or this game is literally going though the motions.

Therefore I cannot do a readwall unless you guys are mechanically wrong about something.

2 times four is greater than or equal to 8.

Work backwards. Not forwards.

If I do a readwall and say certain players are X we lose if everything you have said is correct.

Secondly where is the double kill?

You said you had info that made April scum.

From what this looks like the six of you decided you’re still kings and queens.

Despite the true royalty being (redacted).

Now I have been giving reads all game and will do so when I get to a thematic point.

With the information you were presented where is the second double kill?

Just fuckin great.

I have a doctor’s appointment today.

For fucks sake do something.

I could rip into you more than this for the April “conf” lynch but it’s 3 am I didn’t sleep well so this is what you get.

I don’t believe in kicking people when they’re down and I hope this didn’t reveal too much but fuck. Your play has been back AF the six of you.

Of the three posted I think DDL is the most likely scum here. Will catch up later.

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Your play has been back AF the six of you

naw. my play has been good. titus and mastina is debatable

Please tell Titus and Mastina to check the wiki my “King”. Tell them to search the wiki and get back to basics.

I literally do not know any other ways to communicate things. If the next post from the hood demands I do a read wall I will but by gods I will not be responsible for the consequences post game.

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Oh I forgot

VOTE: Norewiegian for bp

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We neighborized NorwegianboyEE.

We're also responsible for the A50 being king today. I only mention it because our ability blocks all kills on the target and we're missing a kill.

Yes please...continue to tell scum how protectives work.
When we absolutely do not have the numbers to spare to scum double kills.

Titus you are either brain dead,scum siding, or just not planning ahead.

Wtf is going on in that hood?

I swear y’all are attempting to remove more pants unprompted because “we have 6 masons nothing can go wrong”

It doesn’t matter how many people are townfirm to you if the tanks on E, credit cards maxed, and no damn money in the bank.

Please fucking stop.

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tbf, DDL is prob gonna have a similar playstyle regardless of alignment but I think he could easily flip scum.

jjh lurking is meh, a coin flip. I agree with whomever said that JJH was active us as fuck in previous games but I've also played with him and tunneled the fuck out of his for being a lurksack. Could he be a scum ascetic or scum that fake claimed ascetic to scare off cops from investigating him and maybe?

PP doesn't seem all that different from 229 to me so I'm not sure why you think he is different.

I hold the (prob) unpopular theory that a DDL flip is a waste of our action and that your "they are all scum!" is incredibly lazy.

This post is stupid for a couple of reasons
1) If we have a vig, then and only then is this a waste. But your hood says we don’t have a vig or at least implied it. I am hoping we have a vig. If we don’t have a vig then every scumread has to go.

2) This entire wagon is literally “These players never post” so instead of forcing them to post, out comes the hood again spamming. Titus I am better than I told you so but your hood posting so much is one of the most destructive things this game. Town players become demotivated because what they say doesn’t matter and scum players can hide in apathy due to post count.

3) Our only weapon is the execution to lynch scum reliably if I am right. It may be a “waste” if you are 99.99999999% sure that DDL is scum but we absolutely need to lynch scum here. We legit cannot afford misfades.

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it's 7 now b/c we have invited norway to our ranks

playing on the premier site to play mafia is enticing

i wonder how pissed off scum are for not shooting us and just letting us dole out powers.

another hot theory for this
scum might not even have a nightkill (cult or redirection????) and there's an SK

There were two kills d1.

The scum faction or faction(s) 100% have a kill or kills.

You can’t have a game with six masons and not give scum a kill.

I know mafia scum tends to townside it’s setups but it wouldn’t go that far.

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im ok.

DDL is prob scum yeah.

didn't you just say my DDL SR was lazy

what is this inconsistency

Wow i'm not going to spoil anything but that secret wincon is so COOL. And yeah that makes me trust Titus/Nero/Mastina aren't evil.

...You realize that while unlikely people can and do invent wincons to share when it suits their purpose?

I am not to that level of paranoia of that hood yet, but if something doesn’t change soon I freakin will be.

The wincons don’t flip. I don’t want to know what it is, but the more power the hood(s) claim for have, I am wondering where scum’s nukes are.

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it's kinda scummy yeah.

can you talk to me about how Pete is different this game than 229?

Can you link 229 so that those of us old foagies can skim it? Or at least give a better name?

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oh and mastina MUST explain april flipping green ASAP

Sure.
I suppose that Titus/Nero/the 3masons might get mad at me for outting this info now, but my reasons for believing April were threefold.
1: After asking schadd_, schadd_ told us that our Neighborize action

does not show up to action investigation roles

--including, he specified, being invisible to Motion Detectors. Therefore,

April could not have detected Titus 'visiting', because to an action investigation role, she wouldn't have counted as visiting

.
Meaning either April was faking a guilty (what I believed), or an unspecified role visited Titus--given no town roles stepped up to say they had targeted Titus N1, I felt it unlikely. (Tho now occam's razor says it was a scum role targeting her N1.)

2: We were the ones who made Menalque a tracker. It was one of our powers. (Admittedly, there was a bit of a misunderstanding on our trackerize power, but not sure if this should be claimed publicly, but basically, all three of us misunderstood the role in a way which I felt made April's claim far more likely to be bogus.)

3: We received who PlusJOYED's target was at the end of every night PlusJOYED would target someone, so going into D2 we knew the Disloyal Alignment Cop Inventor had targeted shellyc. This meant that April's role was redundant to our own passive factional power. He theorized his role was meant to confirm PlusJOYED's target...but our passive factional power

already did that

, without a need for his role.

Admittedly, the five others all thought this was weaker evidence than I did, and I was the one who most strongly pushed that this trifecta of reasons condemned April, so I take 100% of the blame for being wrong in this. It was my fuckup and I am sorry, but I think you can agree that if you had all three pieces of this evidence, you'd at least see

why

I felt April was scum as strongly as I did.

1) Please please please fucking listen when I tell you someone is a townread. My scumreads admittedly can be shit. But barring a complete and utter catastrophe my townreads are almost always good. Or at least when I cite certain posts fucking read them. Sometimes you gotta get out of your damn headspace.

2)......Where are the nukes? No, seriously. Your 3P hood supposedly has a neighborizer a king maker, informed of setup actions, a protective action, and I probably left off 2x as many actions but still.

Your hood is acting like a child enjoying all its shiny toys.

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Fucking kill Menalque ASAP
I was scum, but Menalque is still not fucking town

@Mastina

Like seriously. Your hood was supposedly taking Gamma at his word.

But then didn’t take his word here.

Like you and Titus are legit off this game.

This if you’re town siding is horrible.

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I would like to just state that for whatever reason my worthless gut says Titus is scum.
Someone said she was confirmed masons with another player or two. could you guys reiterate there that this is the case and that Titus is confirmed town so I don't have to brain space case myself.

She feels that way because either
A) she is scum and is literally claiming all her hoods powers as theirs and just decided to info dump because she could get away with it and Mastina and Nero and TBD approved
Or
B) (much more likely) she’s a freakin 3P not town.
Or
C) She’s actually town but claiming 3P to avoid being shot.

No matter what she is lying this game.

But see the thing is, we can’t afford to take the chance they are lying. They’re literally nothing more than very very loud wallpaper if truthtelling.

All their shiny toys are like a three year old going “look at me look at me” when the adults are like “we get it you got the newest car for Christmas” let us hunt already.

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okaaaaaaaay
mastina hood is town

did schadd go crazy and give that hood so much info this might lead to a town stomp relying on mastinas info alone

Think for a moment.

Just breathe and think.

I cannot explain why but we are very much on the verge of losing. I cannot explain why this is a feeling I have but ..... why?!?!?!

This very likely will not lead to a town stomp. We will be lucky if town lives at all.

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can someone pls shoot mastina, kthxbi

i think pete is quite a convergent player i.e. similar as town and scum

Source please? I am really struggling to read the lurkers and any sort of meta would be appreciated so when people say someone is scummy I can look it up.

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I would like to just state that for whatever reason my worthless gut says Titus is scum.
Someone said she was confirmed masons with another player or two. could you guys reiterate there that this is the case and that Titus is confirmed town so I don't have to brain space case myself.

Thinking more on this,

I would go so far as to say the hood should be ignored for all things except reads. All the mechanics etc is just noise.

Like I can’t figure out whether they just enjoy doing stupid things or if they are scumsiding but right now I don’t care. I just am going to see what I can do to break the fundamental rules of arithmetic because if I don’t scum win.

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Looks like everyone thinks it's DDL.

I do not disagree. Though would like to note that Schadd said at least 1. So there could be two or more in that list.
I don't know how much I should be trusting the self-proclaimed 3rd party town block. This game could be easy or we could be on the cusp of being mowed down.

I am very,very scared of the latter.

Especially since it seems scum are content to not shoot Titus/Mastina/Nero. I legit don’t know how to make a square peg fit into a round hole so I am asking the hood to make the hole fucking square.

Because scum will win otherwise.

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Yeah the hood is pretty OP but in a good way.

Why didn't you just discuss it with them before posting it here?

Well given April's dead and flipped town, Menalque's dead and flipped town, and PlusJOYED is dead and flipped town, in my personal opinion, there was little benefit in hoping to catch scum out by holding out on that info, but there was benefit in explaining where I was coming from yesterday publicly.

Holding back on the info in an April!scum world made sense--but with April not actually as scum, I...really don't see how holding back could help us. At least in my opinion. So I felt like sharing it immediately was okay.

*sigh*

Goes and cries in numbers.

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Looks like everyone thinks it's DDL.

I do not disagree. Though would like to note that Schadd said at least 1. So there could be two or more in that list.
I don't know how much I should be trusting the self-proclaimed 3rd party town block. This game could be easy or we could be on the cusp of being mowed down.

this is such a fence-sitty post it hurts

what i want you to do is obvtown or I'll be deathtunnelling

Where's the fence?

Also, that's depressing and makes a lot of sense Shelly. I guess if I were you, I would try to force the super obv town who has a style geared toward obvious towning to always be going 100%.

But like, I can't. It's tiring and I wanna live life sometimes.

"looks like everyone think its DDL" = stating the consensus without giving a clear stance, Bell doesn't disagree with that but doesn't do anything to push there
IIoA in two or more
shading the hood which has been confirmed by the IC

Yes because third parties never fool an IC. /sarcasm

I just this game. No words.

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It doesn't really matter how many reasons you have, you pretty much set up munched him instead of trying to read him.

Oh I tried to read him, I just read him as scum. The mechanical reasons were cherries on top given that I thought his play on D2 after a D1 scum lynch was him trying to do damage control, and, yes, April hard-defending a scumbuddy on D1 and then suddenly being more aggressive on D2

is

his scum meta.

I had every reason to think he was scum, not just mechanics.

I was wrong, he wasn't lying about his role (jury's still out on the result but we'll probably not know until postgame if scum targeted Titus N1 or he lied about the visit), the people defending his play as not being scum and saying I was tunneling were right, the people who thought the mechanical indicators of him being scum weren't as definitive as I believed were right, I was wrong in thinking they were as damning as they were, so the people defending April were right and I made a mistake on every level.

Hopefully there's a reason people were voting norwee just?

why is JJH town

Do you think that, with a scum 1x alien and a town Odd-night Disloyal Alignment Cop Inventor, that schadd_ in addition to the 1x alien gives scum an ascetic to further limit the number of possible guilties?

Remember, the role is odd-night, meaning can only be used half of the nights.
And scum can use an alien one of the nights.
And it takes another night for the alignment cop, if in the hands of one of the six protown nontowns, to get a result from it, and it takes scum not realizing what PlusJOYED's role is if they get it to be guiltied.

In short--the role, with just the 1x alien and the nature of the disloyal odd-night alignment cop inventor, is already hard enough to get a guilty.

And then on top of that, you think schadd_ gives the scum what amounts to a scum godfather?

It's incredibly unlikely especially given series themes of uncertain guilties but certain innocents, and a full ungated ascetic essentially being a scum godfather in this specific game.

Mastina you’re still playing this like a typical game.

Please throw setup spec out the window.

Punt it to the bottom of the ocean and light it on fire for good measure.

Please. You’ve already been wrong disastrously on spec before.

What does the play tell you?

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Idk what your point is Mathblade.
That the hood is scum? They're not.
That they're 3P? Yes that is true. It's not like that was a big revelation. But they're clearly townsiding atm by spending a lot of time hunting for scum. And last i checked that's the same thing town is supposed to be doing.

I can’t say my point without saying what Titus and Mastina and Nero don’t want me to tell scum.

But I can count down from 12 and divide by two.

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Alright i finished reading the hood.
This game should be a win if we just don't paranoia eliminate any of the hood members and just go for the scummy outsiders. That's the challenge here, scum will probably be trying all they can to suggest the non-town town alligned groups are evil 3P's that cannot be trusted as this is the only way for them to win.

*dies a bit inside*

Imho if Titus and Mastina are townsiding, they want to fool scum so much they literally fooled themselves.

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Claim Miller Mason, Daycop, scum. - I sleep

Oh in that case I am a mason tracker-inventor N2 doctor.

(Btw I didn't quote this post before, but now that us being responsible for N2 is public and us trackerizing Menalque is public, can I just point out how much of a cheeky fuck I was in this post? It was me refuging in audacity, but

I wasn't lying

; I had all of the powers I claimed in that post. )

Yeah I legit don’t see a way to fix this now.

Fuck fuck fuck fuck.

Why of all the things?!?!

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4518 is shady in a weird way

im gonna be deathtunnelling MM next after I've been more settled on bell
MM/Chemist/DDL/pete/{S_S, TGP} is my current solve

I'm mech conftown though 2 players can definitely confirm i'm town, and for some reason another 3/4 players are also doing so.

So good luck with that!

why is mm mech conftown i did not read some of this thread

im not sure if we'd been outted yet (so my bad if not, i got over-excited ) but it doesn't matter in the context of the game now. We're part of the mason group, so A50 knows we are town.

Lovely, just lovely.

Of all the cards not to spill you had to do this one.

Like we are so fucked.

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Idk what your point is Mathblade.
That the hood is scum? They're not.
That they're 3P? Yes that is true. It's not like that was a big revelation. But they're clearly townsiding atm by spending a lot of time hunting for scum. And last i checked that's the same thing town is supposed to be doing.

I can’t say my point without saying what Titus and Mastina and Nero don’t want me to tell scum.

But I can count down from 12 and divide by two.

@NorwegianboyEE please tell me this made sense?

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I would like to just state that for whatever reason my worthless gut says Titus is scum.
Someone said she was confirmed masons with another player or two. could you guys reiterate there that this is the case and that Titus is confirmed town so I don't have to brain space case myself.

Titus and Mastina are literally a waste of a scumread.

If they are scum it won’t matter they’ve pretty much won and it’s really doubtful.

It’s just a waste.

This PoE will kill town before it kills scum.

I just wish you would see why or anyone would.

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Idk what your point is Mathblade.
That the hood is scum? They're not.
That they're 3P? Yes that is true. It's not like that was a big revelation. But they're clearly townsiding atm by spending a lot of time hunting for scum. And last i checked that's the same thing town is supposed to be doing.

I can’t say my point without saying what Titus and Mastina and Nero don’t want me to tell scum.

But I can count down from 12 and divide by two.

@NorwegianboyEE please tell me this made sense?

No.

Let me be even more blunt.

Assume 5 scum at start. 4 scum now.

18 alive - 6 “masons” (lack of a better word) = 12 - 4 scum = 8 town max.

Scum can double kill.

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^^ The above is assumed from what has been said.

Now if Titus and crew are lying then we have a shot.

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Scum can double kill.

Then why didn't they double kill today?

That I don’t know.

But if Titus is right it can’t be relied upon.

We have to assume worst case scenario and they can double kill because Titus and Mastina said so.

Which means we are screwed.

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The fact Morning Mage outed themselves instead of the hood telling you to lie and be the third was also incredibly incredibly bad. If you can read between by lines here EE.

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I am leaning towards not multiball just the wagons don’t make sense.

For the record, to weigh in:
I am pretty sure this wouldn't be the first MBOS game to feature a scum doublekill mechanic, so it's possible scum killed

both

Menalque and Ban Hydras.

If scum did not kill both Menalque and Ban Hydras, then it'd necessarily need to be either a town role misfiring (where some effect of their role accidentally killed them), or a town vig who took a bad shot.

I do not believe the game to be multiball; I don't even think the game has a serial killer.

The two kills are either both from scum, or one from scum and the other from town. (And if the latter, again, 75-25 it being Mena as the scum kill, but with the admitted possibility of it having been Ban Hydras. We'll presumably not find out for quite some time.)

There’s one for starters.

There’s one from Titus too yesterday and I think another today.

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If we don’t have a vig like Titus implies and we don’t have a serial killer like Mastina implies, what else is left?
Like help me out here. I have to go to the doctor now but I am very scared.

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DDL vs Pete is just a case of who seems to be playing. Ddl only memorable post for me is about the BTS army. Pete I remember a post here or there.

Jjh is SK or scum because of play and ascetic claim. I disagree with Mastina’s setup spec again. Shocking I know. I lean SK simply because town Vig is too much power and being able to track JJH to a kill would then be either such a boon/bust to be ridiculous.

If I had a three way nuke I wouldn’t cry about them dying. I just don’t think wagoning any of them gives anything since their entire play is lurker hell.

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Tbh, I figured you were the vig. I am supposing A50 ate the second shot.

I will neither confirm nor deny this.

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Although I will ask that you quit hunting for a Vig/PR openly.

We have enough problems as it is.

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There is no SK Math.

If you don't think wagoning any of them is useful, who would you wagon outside the council of 6? Why?

How do you feel about the consensus largely being on DDL?

Last question first. It’s mostly meh. These three players are all “gotta go”s for me and we can learn from it based on DDLs flip not before. It’s what Mastina and you did with April.

I would probably wagon TGP based off a certain question he asked at the end of the day ish (mobile sorry) that seems to be waaaay too focused more so than other players.

Third one. Again, with the setup as presented there is something wrong. So I am ignoring your setup spec (no matter how “mod” confirmed it is.) If you’re townsiding and are 100% sure let me deceive the scum. “Correcting” me is antitown.

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But what does that hint to you?? Anyone? I'll keep my answer to myself for the meantime and let you all respond first. I want to see who thinks what, please.

i'd think it means that they have some reliable way to figure out PRs and believe they can know the identity of another PR by tomorrow night.

Yeah it’s shit like this I would want to wagon.

It seems “TMI”.

What this normally would be IMO is a struggling newbie scum team that doesn’t understand NAR.

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But what does that hint to you?? Anyone? I'll keep my answer to myself for the meantime and let you all respond first. I want to see who thinks what, please.

i'd think it means that they have some reliable way to figure out PRs and believe they can know the identity of another PR by tomorrow night.

Yeah it’s shit like this I would want to wagon.

It seems “TMI”.

What this normally would be IMO is a struggling newbie scum team that doesn’t understand NAR.

what scumteam in this PL doesn't understand NAR? what?

A majority of the lurkers I either haven’t met or have imho bad kill choices. If you know more about these lurkers feel free to expand on it.

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what scumteam in this PL doesn't understand NAR? what?

Sorry. Going out of my way to respond to this:

What Scum team shoots a player that hands out Cop shots to be used a whole phase later, one phase earlier than they can hand it out??

To those of you who can't keep up: Plus could only hand out Cop shots on Odd Nights. Those shots could only be used the night after, but that's not even the issue. These Cop shots could only be handed to SCUM as Plus was DISLOYAL, and he was outed as such meaning Scum can safely claim they received nothing and will know that also Town will not receive it.

So, the kill is absurd and does NOT actually advance Scum's win con in any way, shape or from (aside from it being on a confirmed townie. which also Norwee is). ANYONE would have been a better killing target (at least they would have had a chance to hit an unouted PR).

But there IS a simple explanation for that kill on my mind, so keep on discussing what that might be. Ask yourselves this:"If I was Scum, why would I kill Plus over

literally

anyone else?)

I think you missed something above that is big, but I don’t want to ruin your test/idea Mr. King. Remind me when it’s done so you get what you need.

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Ooh I am an Illithid. Math we're purple. You like purple right? Join us.

See you’re an illithid and I am a lowly human.

The only way I can join is if you invite me.

V/LA just got called to do overtime possibly it’s tbd

So my posting may be sporadic.

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As an unwilling passenger in this 7 player power-bloc, I'll just throw this out there:

What if the Titus-faction is a cult?

Yes, what if that\s the case?

THANK YOU for saving me the trouble of outing you today. You probably would have been utterly mad at me if it was I who did it.

Clearly we must reference the Absolute (BG3 reference) king in all his glory.

There is no other substitute.

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jjh is, mechanically, incredibly likely to be town here, to the point of being almost conftown levels of town.

Why?? I keep seeing yall say this, but ascetic seems like such a scummy claim to me. Personally I say we elim all 3, and I would start with jjh. His play has been straight scummy when he was here and now he’s lurking. Him and DDL seem like just clear scum imo

Meh I don’t really care who goes when. Long as we get someone to be executed that’s not some half baked “conf scum” again. Trying to trick scum and then seeing my “I don’t do townblocks” town block demolished sucked.

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Scum hate it when town are right for the wrong reasons.

This is why i scumread april at the end of yesterday

Does not compute. April was town. Please restate.

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Its amazing you guys are not focusing on the mechanical inconsistency that April detected motion from titus and madrina says he can't.

I already am.
Just pointing out every little thing doesn’t help in the grand scheme of things.

Everyone knows what my stance is.

Right now things seem impossible/weird to me. But maybe if Titus isn’t joshing me and I actually get an invite into the hood it will make sense.

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I can discuss questions I am asked like you asked me.

I just can’t do
X>Y>Z down a list

Because that gives too much to scum.

And I can definitely understand that. I guess scientific doubt and experimentation are in my future until you get that clear you’re looking for.

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The fact Morning Mage outed themselves instead of the hood telling you to lie and be the third was also incredibly incredibly bad. If you can read between by lines here EE.

FTR you wouldve flipped your shit if we did this

Ftr no. I told your hood to lie yesterday. Why would I be mad if you started in such a blatant way?

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Math blade if you think that a clear contradiction is just a 'little thing' you're a truly awful player

Guess I am awfulblade then fighting against impending doom. Because I already called Mastina scum before.

I am trying to keep an open mind so mentioning this stuff doesn’t help.

Mastina is probably already kicking herself for it. If she is townsiding no reason to dogpile unless she is doing the same mistake twice.

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Spoiler: Keep the pants on

We neighborized NorwegianboyEE.

We're also responsible for the A50 being king today. I only mention it because our ability blocks all kills on the target and we're missing a kill.

Yes please...continue to tell scum how protectives work.
When we absolutely do not have the numbers to spare to scum double kills.

Titus you are either brain dead,scum siding, or just not planning ahead.

Wtf is going on in that hood?

I swear y’all are attempting to remove more pants unprompted because “we have 6 masons nothing can go wrong”

It doesn’t matter how many people are townfirm to you if the tanks on E, credit cards maxed, and no damn money in the bank.

Please fucking stop.

Spoiler: Take the pants off (along with panties, and preferably spread wide-open too)

im ok.

DDL is prob scum yeah.

didn't you just say my DDL SR was lazy

what is this inconsistency

Wow i'm not going to spoil anything but that secret wincon is so COOL. And yeah that makes me trust Titus/Nero/Mastina aren't evil.

...You realize that while unlikely people can and do invent wincons to share when it suits their purpose?

I am not to that level of paranoia of that hood yet, but if something doesn’t change soon I freakin will be.

The wincons don’t flip. I don’t want to know what it is, but the more power the hood(s) claim for have, I am wondering where scum’s nukes are.

*Sigh*

The latter doesn’t say to claim it says I am paranoid which I have been. And my issues with your setup spec as I understand it means we lose. The former says to keep your pants on. I fail to see the issue here.

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Superbowl9: yes I believe that schadd designed a 23p large with 5scum that may not be able to kill and a bunch of town siding 3p that gives great power roles. What a joy that is and thus norwegian boy is innocent

Must worship the Absolute.

** Robotic voice **

This setup is balanced and has no issues.

I do not distrust the Titus hood at all.

Must worship the absolute.

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Alright. Allow me to play devil's advocate (although to an extent I believe this).

Why are we giving norway the 1 shot BP? No offense to them, but they aren't exactly doing a lot. I suspect they aren't the first pick by scum to be killed. It'll be a shame to go to El-Lo with a 50/50 for them, but like, that's what it usually is anyways.

We are basically forcing scum to doubletap norway unless they want an inno in lylo.

Oh yeah VOTE: Norway

And that is literally what I just said they wont' care about.

El-Lo is almost always essentially a 50/50. Even if it's not a confirmed inno, it's all but.

In what world does this game ever get to lylo with 6 masons and Norway?

Like that thought is comedy gold.

If this game gets to lylo we imploded so hard there should be a razzie for worst town implosion ever.

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Can we please lynch Pickaxe? I know I am alone but this is not scum!DDL.

It’s nice to see DDL try.

I might be convinced to do Pickaxe if this rate keeps up.

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By the end of page Mathblade (erm.. I mean page 183) I find myself compelled to ask: Can I shoot Mathblade now?

I mean if you think it’s best, but imho that’s just doubling the stupid from yesterday. You are the Absolute and your word is law your majesty. Should you wish me to die I shall.

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Scum hate it when town are right for the wrong reasons.

This is why i scumread april at the end of yesterday

Does not compute. April was town. Please restate.

Not saying it was a correct scumread reason, but remember when I said the tirade came off as scum mad for being caught for the wrong reasons? This is what I meant by that. It was just a sidenote really so don’t look too much into it

Ah that makes more sense.

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0) I cannot answer this without saying what I strongly implied at the bottom of page 183x

1) Depends on the situation. Sometimes it is the right call to make. If you’ve earned up enough trust it can happen.

2) Why would Norway be discredited they are confirmed not Army and Titus says Army = only scum?

2b) Where would you get the idea I would push for an MM elimination? I told you to lie.

3) Judt call me or whoever found them wrong. Crumbs get misread all the time.

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Hell I am not even pushing for a Mastina execution despite this being her second proven time lying.

Sometimes 3P gotta lie. It’s a thing. The only issue becomes townside or scumside 3P since you continually make this game about yourselves.

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Math pls dont hint anymore i think i gotchu

Someone gets it finally.

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math continues to not scumhunt

This is going to be one of THOSE games huh.

You realize i reaction tested DS just a bit ago?

Pressuring TGP. Those are things.

I get YOU don’t think I am but quite frankly that’s better off in your hood since A50 controls hammers today. Here it is just factually incorrect spam.

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math continues to not scumhunt

This is going to be one of THOSE games huh.

You realize i reaction tested DS just a bit ago?

Pressuring TGP. Those are things.

I get YOU don’t think I am but quite frankly that’s better off in your hood since A50 controls hammers today. Here it is just factually incorrect spam.

DS and DDL*

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A reaction test? A REACTION TEST? How newb of you.

I know right. Clearly my rustiness turned me into the newbiest newb to ever newb,

(Joking tone) Just like your hood surely wouldn’t reaction test me? Right. Because that would be silly. /sarcasm

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I think you missed something above that is big, but I don’t want to ruin your test/idea Mr. King. Remind me when it’s done so you get what you need.

I didn't miss what you think is TMI (and I think is wild theory) of that's what you're talking about.

No.

I think there’s something wrong with your post unless I misremember how disloyal works.

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But the instant I say it then your question won’t garner the same reactions.

So I want to keep my mouth shut unless you’re done wanting answers to that question.

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My secret wincon is to reach 1000 posts guys

Mine is to reach an average of 3.14159 posts per day on my account.

And to execute all the scums. (But that one’s not much of a secret lmao)

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A reaction test? A REACTION TEST? How newb of you.

I know right. Clearly my rustiness turned me into the newbiest newb to ever newb,

(Joking tone) Just like your hood surely wouldn’t reaction test me? Right. Because that would be silly. /sarcasm

your not rusty just scum (prob)

but in general, I think reaction tests are low-level plays and "reactions tests" are a pretty common way for scum to pretend to hunt. But also DDL is possibly already outted scum so "hunting" him is hilarious and unneeded.

I am trying to see things from Titus’s point of view. To do that I need to sort DDL. If DDL sorts better than Pickaxe then Pickaxe goes to my top read. If you think he is conf/outed scum please share with us/A50 so he can get rid of conf scum.

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4518 is shady in a weird way

im gonna be deathtunnelling MM next after I've been more settled on bell
MM/Chemist/DDL/pete/{S_S, TGP} is my current solve

Can you expand more on this please? There’s a couple things that don’t make sense with this team even if you drop off MM?

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b4 the cop guilty, DDL and to a lesser extent PP were already heavily scum read. With the guilty PP and DDL are likely going to both be lynched. Its not the next lvl play you are claiming it is to "hunt" ppl with a guilty.

There are scum outside of jjh/pp/ddl (and I don't believe they are all scum) and you aren't hunting them.

I am to a minor extent.

However, with this game for reasons A50 and Super Bowl may have picked up on, figuring out these lurkers and who scumreads who is actually a lot higher of a priority than it seems.

Again you are not one to dictate how I hunt and if I do so be it. Please take your concerns to your hood or A50 or someone who gives a damn. The next time you do this you will be ignored.

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DDL posted earlier I was reaction testing them.

And if your team has ressurrection powers that sounds fun. You are illithids after all.

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Its amazing you guys are not focusing on the mechanical inconsistency that April detected motion from titus and madrina says he can't.

I already am.
Just pointing out every little thing doesn’t help in the grand scheme of things.

Everyone knows what my stance is.

Right now things seem impossible/weird to me. But maybe if Titus isn’t joshing me and I actually get an invite into the hood it will make sense.

Pedit:

I can discuss questions I am asked like you asked me.

I just can’t do
X>Y>Z down a list

Because that gives too much to scum.

And I can definitely understand that. I guess scientific doubt and experimentation are in my future until you get that clear you’re looking for.

Laugh all you want but this post was designed to elicit one of two things from DDL and I got the Townier of the two.

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DDL posted earlier I was reaction testing them.

lol

that minmeld!

You’re illithid. It’s by default the

stupidity

thoughts merge together.

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Can we please lynch Pickaxe? I know I am alone but this is not scum!DDL.

Well it all depends on A50 today anyway. We're just observers really.

No, you're definitely not (or at least shouldn't be). I need you to scumhunt full force. I don't "just" want an Army flip today, but rather blow their cover. The whole scum team. Today.

Agreed. We need this if I am right to have any shot at winning.

I am just stuck at square one until I can find the scum(s) in this lurker trio.

Until I do that I really don’t have enough to go off of.

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a "reaction" test on someone with a pseudo guilty that is/was going to be lynched before that is a lame play, what are you a 2013 join date?

You realize A50 doesn’t have to stick within those three right?

A50 could decide that player X is scum and shoot them.

Yes it is more strategically sound to shoot in those three but a50 is his own man.

And just because we know it’s one or more of those three doesn’t mean we know where to shoot.

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then maybe you should help us find scum outside of those 3? but you refuse to do that (and it's why I think you are scum.)

I am and will continue to do that.

I just like to start from the concrete information that I have first.

For example we know that scum had at least a lurker, it just becomes a matter of how many.

Knowing this feeds into my initial VCA that scum were ineffective/useless during the gamma lynch.

The other wagons weren’t so much counter wagons as they were prior RVS cleanup.

However that goes against Titus’s theory that Ban Hydras was explicitly a counter wagon.

A lot of what I see is counter to your current hypothesises (is that a word?)

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You’re looking for scum that meet the regular model X. I am looking for scum that meet the model Y. (I hinted at it before. Can’t complete this sentence without outing my theory) I think as long as you treat it like 6 masons instead of 6 observers/coaches you’re going to be on the wrong track.

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You’re looking for scum that meet the regular model X. I am looking for scum that meet the model Y. (I hinted at it before. Can’t complete this sentence without outing my theory) I think as long as you treat it like 6 masons instead of 6 observers/coaches you’re going to be on the wrong track.

mathblade, I'm lazy - can you please tell me who you think is scum? like 3 or 4 names

One or more of the trio DDL = Pick > JJH atm
TGP
S_S or Shelly (don’t see both)

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How are you so sure that group was not scum though?

There's a lot of genuine solving from Mastina/Nero/Titus in the hood and i would be really impressed if that was scum theatre. They are genuinely attempting to fullfill town's wincon so i trust them based on that.

fair enough man, but i do think they would be capable of faking that if scum. hypothetically, they would have know the whole purpose of that hood was to look like they were scumhunting (assuming they had a different PT for nefarious shit).

Titus / Mastina especially are nefarious when playing scum. However at this point if they are scum they are just waiting the long game to shoot me and pretend it’s otherwise to save face. So I mean there’s only so much they can do with a constant reminder of a dude who asks questions of them. Remove him and then coast is clear.

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You’re looking for scum that meet the regular model X. I am looking for scum that meet the model Y. (I hinted at it before. Can’t complete this sentence without outing my theory) I think as long as you treat it like 6 masons instead of 6 observers/coaches you’re going to be on the wrong track.

mathblade, I'm lazy - can you please tell me who you think is scum? like 3 or 4 names

One or more of the trio DDL = Pick > JJH atm
TGP
S_S or Shelly (don’t see both)

interesting - you trust the not-so-secret 7 then?

Somewhat. They may be scum siding but the more probable is they are 3P.

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y TPG instead of DS or Chemist?

Mainly the setup questions TPG has asked.

It seems way too focused and matches my theory I have.

DS asks questions but they don’t match the same red flags.

Chemist is more a null. He’s not a scum read or townread. The others just pop up to me more as scum.

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but Mage and Math to a lesser extent...we are 3 players. in a 23 player large. Even if you want to argue that we are scum there HAS to be other scum b/c 3 is a 23 is unbalanced as fuck.

I agree. That’s why I was labelling it scumsiding. They would just have secret others if scum. Again this is doubtful and goes against the plans of my absolute so I would rather not delve too far.

The other problem is conversely you have 3Ps essentially claiming god powers against a 1 shot alien. It rubs me the wrong way the other way too.

You can’t say one without the other. What’s more realistic is {redacted theory here}.

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like if Math is town it's almost comical how bad the play. While possible, I just think this bad play is scum motivated and not just bad town.

objectively, i think this is clearly an unfair indictment on his play.

Lmao

Nero has seen me at my worst.

From his POV that may be accurate.

I have had some baaaaaaaad games.

*shivers*

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Nero how did Mastina reset when April flipped green? What did your hood do?

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That makes a lot more sense.

Titus has been allergic to pants this game.

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It wasn’t Titus who outed you to me btw.

Masons have this kind of “aura” when they post. It tends to be a bit too friendly in thread.

It’s hard to explain but there’s a vibe.

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like if Math is town it's almost comical how bad the play. While possible, I just think this bad play is scum motivated and not just bad town.

objectively, i think this is clearly an unfair indictment on his play.

Lmao

Nero has seen me at my worst.

From his POV that may be accurate.

I have had some baaaaaaaad games.

*shivers*

? you normally play badly, but you think Nero is justified in thinking you are playing particularly badly here?

It’s not a “normally” thing. I am swingy and much better on alt accounts on other websites. (Which I don’t mention because I don’t want the Math taint to spread to those) . I generally am hit or miss.

If I can get a firm foundation of a few correct town reads and a scumread and the right narrative I am gold.

If I get the wrong idea I am stubborn AF.

So Nero could be flashing back to games like Civ. It didn’t raise any pings to me.

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i'm always friendly

You are. It’s more a “not really questioning” vibe. When if you are not masons you would.

It’s hard to show an absence.

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Nice, but he would have still handed the next invention the NEXT night to be used ANOTHER NIGHT after.

Yeah, but now he can't. If they kill him N3, it doesn't stop the invention from going through, even if they have to wait until N4 for it to do anything.

I kinda reconsidered and now see your logic. That puts a bit of a dent in my theory regarding why he was NK'd.

See, the way I thought it was all about shelly being "additionally confirmed" (if there's such a thing) by flipping Plus a TOWN. Sometimes I try to think how "newb/naive" scum do. Yours is more like how "seasoned/experienced" scum go about it.

Thanks for the help. Both you AND shelly are off my list for today.

Can I say my thing now?

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If you’re still wanting more responses that is to that A50. There is another flaw to your block too.

I also think for the record removing those two is stupid but your call King Absolute

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Nero how did Mastina reset when April flipped green? What did your hood do?

Still awaiting a response to this.

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I am baffled by why DDl is getting SRed when he's being the most protown I've ever seen him be

I re-read Gamma ISO. Like a TGP flip.

Down for either one. Tgp would be good. But Gamma defending DDL like that is usually a bad look unless this is twilight. Lemme go look. If this is post twilight consider me wanting to lunch Pete.

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I am baffled by why DDl is getting SRed when he's being the most protown I've ever seen him be

I re-read Gamma ISO. Like a TGP flip.

Down for either one. Tgp would be good. But Gamma defending DDL like that is usually a bad look unless this is twilight. Lemme go look. If this is post twilight consider me wanting to lunch Pete.

he defended DDL throughout though. TGP he flip-flopped on. Initially defending, then distancing when it looked like his goose was cooked.

Ugh I still have about half of d1 left. (It’s been a beast of a few days)

Did a quick skim and I would rather exe Pete if only those three are an option. If not I still want TGP.

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But what does that hint to you?? Anyone? I'll keep my answer to myself for the meantime and let you all respond first. I want to see who thinks what, please.

i'd think it means that they have some reliable way to figure out PRs and believe they can know the identity of another PR by tomorrow night.

Yeah it’s shit like this I would want to wagon.

It seems “TMI”.

What this normally would be IMO is a struggling newbie scum team that doesn’t understand NAR.

what scumteam in this PL doesn't understand NAR? what?

This is TGPs.

Yours is still in progress.

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Math, can you do a chart with preferred executions of everyone using the table code? I'd want to do some cross referencing in the hood.

Name Preferred Execution
Titus. Pickaxe Pete

I honestly could get called away to work at literally any moment.

Normally I would say sure but I could be about halfway done and get called away.

There’s also the matter of the lurkers who haven’t said.

I can try the best guess off the top of my head, but to iso and be accurate would take time.

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Math, can you do a chart with preferred lynches of everyone using the table code? I'd want to do some cross referencing in the hood.

Name Preferred Lynch
Titus. Pickaxe Pete

Math, can you do a chart with preferred executions of everyone using the table code? I'd want to do some cross referencing in the hood.

Name Preferred Execution
Titus. Pickaxe Pete

I honestly could get called away to work at literally any moment.

Normally I would say sure but I could be about halfway done and get called away.

There’s also the matter of the lurkers who haven’t said.

I can try the best guess off the top of my head, but to iso and be accurate would take time.

Titus what would you like?

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y TPG instead of DS or Chemist?

Good question.

Also, I so SR Pickaxe, but why would he be early on Gamma but not at all on April? This is the main reason I'm second guessing myself on him.

Is the commenting only for the above paragraph or count this too?

Just trying to respect your wishes.

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It seems way too focused and matches my theory I have.

Can you elaborate in those?

P-edit: Just the post containing the warning/ Thanks

Welcome.

Can you clarify your question? Do you mean elaborate how TGP’s questions seem narrowed to my theory? If not can you restate?

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thank you for the visual: i understood, but it made it more clear. your wincon is 100% town, while they have two wincons that they can pursue, one town-aligned, one self-aligned.

is their town wincon the same as yours, requiring one actual town player left alive, or is it different? does their "town" wincon have any extras or changes?

This one is the most blatant. A lot of people have been asking “what is your win con” over and over and over. This one is a bit too specific if you get my drift.

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DS I have a reaction test still ongoing with them but I haven’t seen them be as direct as TGP.

That may change depending upon the reaction test.

Chemist I just haven’t been online at the same time and really haven’t gotten a feel for. In the pages I have read he’s been absent/nonexistent/RVSy. So firm null there.

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It’s honestly really hard to poke people to see certain things without saying those certain things and seeing why they don’t kill X without saying Y. If this at all makes sense. Super Bowl asked me not to hint more so I think that’s all I can safely do.

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Can I say my thing now?

Go ahead.. but only if you promise to keep the pants on, Hell, tighten the belt too to make sure they don't incidentally fall off your waste.

Hahahaha lmao

It may depend how the mod handles disloyal too for 3P.

Some mods say that disloyal is anything other than your exact alignment.

Which means that y’all could be funneled cop checks all day long which would be bad for scum.

The wiki only talks about what is normal for town and mafia.

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If you’re still wanting more responses that is to that A50. There is another flaw to your block too.

I also think for the record removing those two is stupid but your call King Absolute

OK. Now I'm intrigued!

Imho you shouldn’t remove someone from a scum block for being honest. As scum I have used that trick many times to get out of situations. You should remove them if they’re honest and you get severe townpings. I only got honesty not town pings.

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But what does that hint to you?? Anyone? I'll keep my answer to myself for the meantime and let you all respond first. I want to see who thinks what, please.

i'd think it means that they have some reliable way to figure out PRs and believe they can know the identity of another PR by tomorrow night.

Yeah it’s shit like this I would want to wagon.

It seems “TMI”.

What this normally would be IMO is a struggling newbie scum team that doesn’t understand NAR.

what scumteam in this PL doesn't understand NAR? what?

This is TGPs.

Yours is still in progress.

@DS I didn’t?

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But what does that hint to you?? Anyone? I'll keep my answer to myself for the meantime and let you all respond first. I want to see who thinks what, please.

i'd think it means that they have some reliable way to figure out PRs and believe they can know the identity of another PR by tomorrow night.

While not really a question per se it is again too specific.

I think there was one other question iirc if I remember I will come back to it.

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A lot of this stuff I can’t comment on directly.

And I think you know why.

This may contribute to Nero thinking I am not hunting.

I assure you I am. I know it’s lame sauce just a blanket assurance but meh. It’s what I got.

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It may depend how the mod handles disloyal too for 3P.

Some mods say that disloyal is anything other than your exact alignment.

Which means that y’all could be funneled cop checks all day long which would be bad for scum.

That was part of why I thought S_S redeemed himself with his NK analysis, yes. He pointed out that Plus could've handed us the Cop shot.

Ah I stand corrected I missed that Smart said that. I just thought that said it could be handed out still.

Sleepy MathBlade Derps again

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You should remove them if they’re honest and you get severe townpings.

Well, there's the problem: I do NOT count much on "pings" either way. I am a documented logical/mechanical player. (I almost never understand skitter's reads because the majority of them a are "feels like..". Also in my hydra with Chara they get to do all the "tone reads" while I handle the mechanical stuff)

I will not "totally" rule themn out, but I was talking about my TODAY execution pool.

Ah Cool. Same page then. The airport above my head where points come to land has completed construction. *chuckle*

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Plus skitter is like amazing. They’re one of the best players town and scum. I almost never lock town them unless I have a cop clear.

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@MathBlade what's the meaning behind your title tech support?

It’s because before I retired/semi retired I did answer some questions in the tech forum and was working on the php upgrade before my laptop was hanging on by pins and needles. I also built a votecounter that can be downloaded and used. Some players object to its use even though everything is public and the source code is freely available so I don’t use it here.

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Some mods say that disloyal is anything other than your exact alignment.

There's another definition of disloyal besides this? That's news to me.

Some sites/F2F require 0 loyalty as in polar opposites.
Especially useful in games with circular multiball.

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Eg if you draw a square and label each corner clockwise A B C D disloyal would only work for A&C and B&D

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He pointed out that Plus could've handed us the Cop shot.

I don't think I was the first person to point this out, though. I thought somebody said it yesterday.

How could someone point it out yesterday? Plus wasn’t dead yesterday and A50 asked the question today?

Are players time travelers?

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Not about +J dying. Just that +J could have targeted one of the masons-by-any-other-name and made them a cop.

Ohhhh lmao airport is getting bigger.
SS’s comment now arriving.
SS’s comment now arriving.

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are we going to night soon? zzzzzz

Let A50 do his thing. No reason to rush The Absolute.

When he is ready to declare the execution he will.

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VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

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VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

That’s really a tough sell.

You’re probably going to need to sell it if you want it to happen.

I am not convinced tbh.

And ffs don’t hint at more PR roles. Pants are already naked for a lot of people imho. Whether it exists or not can be left to imaginations.

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If it is what the hood wants I will go over and give A50 the BP but because reasons I don’t see A50 being the kill.

I won’t expand on those reasons.

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Alrighty. I will vote to BP the mighty ruler

VOTE: A50

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VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

This is so bad why assume there's a doc? And if there is why couldn't he just cover A50?? And won't titus' group just neighborize one of us if there's concern of us getting killed?

Dude I at least said reasons. C’mon.

Just do it already. Morning and A50 clearly have more insight than us poor poor common folk.

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VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

This is so bad why assume there's a doc? And if there is why couldn't he just cover A50?? And won't titus' group just neighborize one of us if there's concern of us getting killed?

Dude I at least said reasons. C’mon.

Just do it already. Morning and A50 clearly have more insight than us poor poor common folk.

Did you forget I'm in the PT too?

(Sarcasm) Of course not. Nope. MathBlade like an SSD has perfect recall.

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VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

This is so bad why assume there's a doc? And if there is why couldn't he just cover A50?? And won't titus' group just neighborize one of us if there's concern of us getting killed?

Dude I at least said reasons. C’mon.

Just do it already. Morning and A50 clearly have more insight than us poor poor common folk.

Did you forget I'm in the PT too?

he probably just assumes you are not following it as closely, because you had to be directed to read it

Nope I legit messed up. My memory is better but I put the wrong number next to his name in my notes.

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The mason PT for A50 is 1, The Titus PT is 2, and the merged is 3

I couldn’t read my own writing when I took a glance over.

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Brb in a bit

If you have any other commands for me King Absolute lemme know

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While hilarious I doubt the mods could allow it as it would probably be gamethrowing whatever A50s alignment is.

Please don’t test that theory. Some hypothesis are best left unanswered.

@Nero Doesn’t your hood townread the other hood? Well assume the other hood is toe siding blah. YKWIM Can you elaborate please?