FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt - 2 Game Over
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I did answer…?In post 19, Servant Archer wrote:
I guess I can answer firstIn post 13, Servant Archer wrote:What are your thoughts on being the master?
I don't particularly like being town leader, and I also don't think that the extra charges for my noble phantasm will be all that beneficial for me, and would likely serve better on other players. While I am not strictly against it, I am not really gunning for it either.
Currently looking for someone to come ObvTown for me, so I can vote them lol-
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all mafia role PMs get “upgraded to much stronger versions” and they all get *****. I would say that’s pretty strongIn post 60, Servant Caster wrote:I don't think it's that bad if we hit mafia tbh-
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We still get interactions and information from the IC slot, and we could use the double elim on D1 to achieve almost the same thing except then they don’t get to stay as a stump to advise their team, and the scumteam don’t get the upgraded roles, and they also don’t get basically free NPs immediately-
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In post 0, Cabd wrote:If a scum Master is selected, that mafia member immediately flips and exits the main game thread. The three remaining members of mafia have their role PMs upgraded to much stronger versions of their existing abilities, while the flipped member of the mafia remains in the scum PT, allowed to advise and lead the team.-
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hiIn post 70, Servant Foreigner wrote:The best way to elect master would be to give it to person, who steals the most page tops as this person has to be active and vocal-
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Why did you vote me originally?In post 88, Servant Beast wrote:
Glad I lucked into voting town correctly when the game started. Wanna be town buddies?In post 85, Servant Lancer wrote:I feel like I’m being pretty wishy-washy. It’s probably still better if I’m not selected, although I won’t say no if we’re prioritizing trying to hit town. I feel like I’ll be pretty obvtown which is good for that, but also I’ll be obvtown regardless and don’t need the master to confirm me per se.-
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Why is that?In post 98, Servant Saber wrote:
This is fair. I feel like I have a duty to go after the master role and that might come across as overselling.In post 90, Servant Archer wrote:It is more that it looked like they were overselling-
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Or maybe I’m not egotistical and don’t believe that I have to control the game in order for town to win? And can consider possibilities for other slots feeling the same way, so a player who says they have a “duty” to go for master either thinks very highly of themselves as a player or has reason to believe their mech will outweigh all other mech abilities.In post 149, Servant Assassin wrote:Giving this another once over, Lancer is pinging me for scum.
I mostly dislike posts #85 and #100, the first being what the kids call LAMIST and the 2nd is simply that if you are town, you understand the pull that would draw one to wanting to become master. Even if me and Saber did not have strong mechanical reasons to want master, there is a pull that wants to get townread and make the most of your slot, and becoming master achieves that immediately. The "Why is that?" from Lancer basically should already be understood from a town perspective.-
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Berserker, were you going somewhere with this question?In post 81, Servant Berserker wrote:Did you read the flipped roles from the first game, caster?
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Actually I believe caster is correct in how the mafia upgrade works, which makes me somewhat worried that they actually knew that was what the role upgrade was because I read it entirely differently initially.In post 231, Servant Berserker wrote:
I provide both day and night benefit. I play mostly PoE, so I’d upgrade correctly and provide a central voice who is good at working with a variety of peopleIn post 211, Servant Saber wrote:
Why do you want to be master? I haven't seen it, and it would help me read you.In post 197, Servant Berserker wrote:Foreigner, would you be interested in voting me to be master?
I think Caster, while misguided, genuinely believes that they found scum in me and archer. I liked their self doubt with regards to their stances, and I believe scum would not be as misinformed about how this whole setup works through virtue of having their team talk about it. I don’t think someone who is not willing to put in the work to optimize use is a smart choice to lead, and I also think they will take the obvious choice of promoting Assassin.In post 212, Servant Saber wrote:
I am uncertain on Caster and I disagree with their conclusions. Can you explain why they're town?In post 202, Servant Berserker wrote:I agree that caster seems town. Don’t want them as master though.
Just that caster seemed very uninformed in general, if I’m remembering correctly it was after some confusion about how the master role worked.In post 220, Servant Lancer wrote:
Berserker, were you going somewhere with this question?In post 81, Servant Berserker wrote:Did you read the flipped roles from the first game, caster?
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The sample role PM and OP say that mafia receive upgraded versions of their role PMs, and the sample upgrade is not the additional * gain. There was no indication to me that these were the same mechanic and not two different mechanics/bonuses to scum. Berserker implied they were viewing it the same way as me. So it’s a bit strange that you would read it so differently.In post 241, Servant Caster wrote:
?In post 240, Servant Lancer wrote:Actually I believe caster is correct in how the mafia upgrade works, which makes me somewhat worried that they actually knew that was what the role upgrade was because I read it entirely differently initially.
I am just reading what Cabd has said in his post before the game began.-
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Care to elaborate on why Berserker and Alter are so low?In post 226, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:Archer
Saber
Shielder,Lancer,Rider,Ruler,Avenger,Foreigner
Caster,Beast
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oops moon cancer did explain already. please ignore.
ummmmm I don’t want to waste this post so here’s more content I guess:
I don’t like how Beast tried to get me to be “townbuddies.” Can someone else give opinion on that?
pedit: it’s not unreasonable but more like.. weirdly accurate when I was initially wrong and it seemed like Berserker was in the same boat as me and it feels kind of weird for someone who didn’t play in the first game to have a better understanding of the mafia role pm’s and upgrade than someone who was in the first game-
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I’ll admit it’s a tinfoil-y theory on my part, just explaining my caution for players, eg berserker, tossing a townread your way for “mech-confusion” which was not actually confusion and therefore doesn’t merit townslip status in my opinion.In post 253, Servant Caster wrote:I don't see why my lack of participation in the first game would impact my ability to read what the moderator has laid out in his posts.
Also I think if the Mafia were to get ***** and */day and additional upgrades that would be quite unbalanced so just putting on my game balance hat I would think it wouldn't be that.I think you're a fairly easy townread so I don't see what's wrong with Beast's read on you.
I don’t like when people are like “wanna be townbuddies” without showing that they’re town or trying to get the other person to get to a townread them, I guess.In post 256, Servant Beast wrote:How would you have preferred I approached you lancer?
@Caster: speaking of my being a fairly easy townread - why do you think assassin and moon cancer aren’t townreading me, then?-
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I don’t think I read that part of the thread very thoroughly and I probably won’t get the chance to until later.In post 261, Servant Berserker wrote:If I’m remembering correctly Lancer also asked to not be master.
I currently have three (four with you) in favor of me, not including myself.
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@Ruler you also say that your read on Saber is neither pure nor corrupt but then down below you separate them out of your nullpile into the possibly corrupt pile. What differentiates Saber’s slot from the nullpile such that you say they’re possibly corrupt, given that you said you have no read on them either way?-
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Imo wanting to be master and feeling aIn post 315, Servant Assassin wrote:As far as your ego is concerned, I thought you made a bit of a show of your magnanimity in your 85. It pinged me and I still don't like it. As for Saber's post, was it not clear to you that at that point Saber thinks "very highly of themselves as a player or has reason to believe their mech will outweigh all other mech abilities?" It seemed quite explicit and clear to me. The "thought process" you wished to get at was discernable already. You are correct that I had the intention of discrediting you; I felt it prudent to air that out and thought the town reads on you came too easily and were unwarranted. Despite this I don't have a full on scumread of you. It is in development. Your latest posts haven't moved the needle.dutyto be master are entirely different magnitudes. My question was, what made saber’s play for master go to the level of duty?
The reason I bring up the specific word discrediting is that when people are trying to discredit townreads on me, they’re almost always scum. Because I am easy to read.
Why do you think all your townreads are (fypov “incorrectly”) townreading me and not seeing what you are?-
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Not if you keep posting like thisIn post 392, Servant Foreigner wrote:In post 377, Servant Avenger wrote:I'm just going to call Archer town.do you have thoughts? Don't worry we still got some pages left
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Agreed that ruler’s posts make me a bit queasyIn post 451, Servant Alter Ego wrote:
Needs more data. She's squarely outside my townreads, and a lot of her logic felt very off (townreading me for a fairly NAI post being the foremost example in my mind), but I wouldn't confidently bet on a scumflip or anything, need her to clarify her reasoning in order to get a better read.In post 442, Servant Assassin wrote:Do you still feel uneasy about Ruler?
I don’t think I’m scumreading foreigner? But his posts are really difficult to parse because it feels like he doesn’t care to make his meaning as clear as it could be
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Can you clarify what this means?In post 459, Servant Beast wrote:I disagree with Ruler that Alter is scum. I could be wrong though.-
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Why did you bring up Ruler then?In post 476, Servant Beast wrote:I don't really think they'd get this mad if they were scum. I've been burned by this before, some players on this site weaponize emotions. But for now I feel okay with it and will just keep an eye.-
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Actually Alter claimed that we received notice of (daystart? or just role PM?)In post 436, Servant Avenger wrote:
I never received a PM on my real account which I was waiting for.In post 435, Servant Alter Ego wrote:It's rather hard for me to believe someone didn't realize the game started for almost 16 hours. I recognize that not everyone is as obsessive an addict to this website as I am, but am I really to believe Avenger was simply not paying attention at all and it took him that long to come to the game thread? We all received notice of the game starting, it's not like he wouldn't have reason to check his messages.
The excuse strains credulity.
You can claim to scum read me, but let's drop the bullshit reasons as its just a wierd thing to argue.-
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Ruler is the most notable person shading saber, and Archer expressed doubts as wellIn post 528, Servant Foreigner wrote:
Have you seen anyone shading Saber? As i said before nobody does it.In post 508, Servant Caster wrote:@Berserker.
Let's assume you're town. Your townreads are correct.
What do you suppose the scum team is trying to do?
Why have they chosen to not contest and allow you to just waltz into Town-Leadership and take Mastery without really putting up any kind of fight whatsoever?-
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I’ve been somewhat keeping myself deliberately low in postcount atm, as I don’t see a need to argue extensively when berserker is my best master pick and is the leading wagon, and for ~other reasons~ that I don’t want to get into yet. I have an outstanding question to ruler but am overall content to be in a support position for this phase (and the game as a whole, as well).
I’d be interested in hearing itIn post 535, Servant Alter Ego wrote:I just had a ludicrous thought flash across my head as to why Ruler doesn't want Saber as a master and is using vague allegations to discredit them. I'm not sure if there's a good way to explain it.
nuuu :<In post 543, Servant Beast wrote:
Why are you crossing your fingers?In post 507, Servant Alter Ego wrote:Fingers crossed.
@Lancer: I've always wanted to say this: It's a secret~-
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Preferred eliminations:
- Beast: reasons for reads have felt awkward esp. his early reasons for not townreading alter ego (back on like page 5 or whatever). early townread on me felt like a buddying attempt as opposed to a townbloc attempt in which the person reaching out would try to get their townread to also townread them
- Moon Cancer: have no idea how they got to the reads they got initially then almost completely flipped them. The detailed explanation for this is a bit convoluted and goes into the realm of main-guessing, but I also think Ruler’s defense of Moon Cancer is partner-indicative/scum-indicative for Moon Cancer.
Bonus third pick - Ruler: either scum, or possibly town hard-defending a scum slot. Either way, a distraction I think we should get rid of.
Would not eliminate:
- Alter: they were a leader of a lot of the early convos, generating good content from other slots. I think scum are going to be really afraid of this slot if he’s town and would highly prefer not to do their job for them. Worth reevaluating if he is left alive for a long time.
I don’t have a ton of townreads but I think my next pick for would-not-eliminate pile is Archer. He expressed doubts and deep thinking about saber’s bid for master that I was feeling myself, but in better words. Also 377 is a post I think often comes from scum about town they feel they can’t push. Which also puts Avenger in my scumpile. Somehow I have way more scumreads than townreads this game which is a bit ???-
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This is the post I was referring toIn post 118, Servant Beast wrote:You're being clear and calculated. You're not saying who your town reads are nor are you justifying them. You're explaining your mindset to avoid being misconstrued.
I don't think every post you make is designed to help town and that wiggles me. Scum have an incentive to be town read and the earlier the better.
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no one in the history of the universe has relaxed or chilled out when someone has told them to do soIn post 610, Servant Beast wrote:
Relax.In post 609, Servant Alter Ego wrote:I see you're done trying to pretend you care about solving at all and are just hurling empty provocations.
pedit: um ok-
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As an elim preference?In post 625, Servant Rider wrote:I'm actually surprised my name hasn't been thrown out more.
Can you/did you explain your ruler townread?I'm pretty sure I've stated only two townreads thus far, so I'll stick with those for who I'd like off the table.
The two I'd like Cabd to politely invite to the dead thread would probably be Saber and Beast.-
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Thank you yes!!!!In post 646, Servant Archer wrote:In post 607, Servant Alter Ego wrote:Read some ISOs because I'm bored and restless. A bit leery of the scumreads being expressed on Rider. That feels like a slot scum would see as low hanging fruit.
At first glance of rider’s ISO I was like “actually this is a scummy ISO” so I surface-level disagreed with alter’s take, and that also made me a bit suspicious that alter was trying to protect his scumbuddy-rider and it felt kinda.. unprompted
But then I searched “rider” in the thread to see what scumreads alter was referring to/who was scumreading rider that made him express this. And the mentions of rider in the thread were (going in reverse chronological order because that’s how the search results show up):
1) Ruler put rider in her preferred-elim pile as a “throwaway,” claiming that the only elim she actually wants is foreigner’s and rider is just there to fill the spot. In 273 she puts rider in her scumpile but the only comment she has made about him is that his post saying not to waste pages is scummy but I feel like that is super surface-level and shouldn’t merit a strong enough read to be put in the scumpile with her strong scumread like she did
2) Beast put rider in his preferred-elim pile along with two other slots, explained the reasons for those two slots, but not for rider. He never mentions rider in his ISO other than this. Kind of crazy that beast has said nothing about his #1 preferred elim other than this post saying that he wants to elim rider (starts at 563 for context)
3) Berserker puts Rider at null in readslist
4) Saber waffling on Rider in the weird readslist in 472
5) Caster said he wants Rider to play more seriously
6) Moon Cancer put Rider at approx null in 462
7) Archer said “not a big fan of Rider’s ISO” way back in 153
So I mean, I think I see where alter is coming from. Ruler and Beast’s scumreads on Rider especially seem to have very little to no justification and they’ve barely/never mentioned him in their ISOs yet still put him in their preferred-elim pile. Saber’s read on Rider is also a bit weird but not sure if AI atm. Other than that I’m kinda whatever about these scumreads/don’t think Rider is being seriously scumread by anyone outside of these three slots potentially.
As for me - I don’t necessarily disagree that his early ISO is lacking in content but I think most recently him being surprised at not being put in preferred-elim piles is gut-towny-feeling to me.-
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Does that mean you don’t like me :<In post 683, Servant Caster wrote:It's really unfortunate for me that the people I trust I don't like and the people I like I don't trust.-
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