Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Bell
I'm abusing the bell tell

[Dwlee99]

Join raid

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

leave raid

Byeee

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Real cheeks
I'm OMGUS here

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Real cheeks
I'm OMGUS here

VOTE: dwlee
-T3

Meta is the best scumhunting tool
-T3

Bad

[Dwlee99]

leave raid

Byeee

Curious why did you join the raid in the first place?

Don't you just want to be a part of something sometimes

[Dwlee99]

I am inside of Mastina's pocket so hard right now holy cow

[Dwlee99]

Not particularly sure why, though.

I am inside of Mastina's pocket so hard right now holy cow

This feels weird for not having interacted with her. ._.

Are y'all mad town is finding town

[Dwlee99]

I found mastina

[Dwlee99]

She is popping off, townreads me, and I feel like I you don't want me to townread her

[Dwlee99]

Mirio gets a townread for stealing my thoughts.

VOTE: Romance
I refuse to elaborate

[Dwlee99]

She is popping off, townreads me, and I feel like I you don't want me to townread her

The issue is that you said town was finding town implying that you had made some effort to identify her but you hadn't said anything about her thus far. We can't read your mind and it's strange without context.

It's weird to state things without immediately offering explanations?

[Dwlee99]

to clarify, why do u think Mirio doesnt want you to townread her?

He is so aggressive at me for saying I townread her

[Dwlee99]

anything elsa

[Dwlee99]

She is popping off, townreads me, and I feel like I you don't want me to townread her

The issue is that you said town was finding town implying that you had made some effort to identify her but you hadn't said anything about her thus far. We can't read your mind and it's strange without context.

It's weird to state things without immediately offering explanations?

It's weird to make a comment like 'town is finding town' without showing your work, yes, because it implies you have put in an amount of effort to do so (i.e. towny because ton have to try to find town, and scum don't).

I have read her posts. What more effort are you expecting?

[Dwlee99]

Romance you can get a townread if you say the specific reason I am scumreading you right now

[Dwlee99]

Didn't you quote the post I said that implied what post I liked or was that someone else

[Dwlee99]

Oh right you played with Bambi Jay and not Elsa, Dwlee.

I make puns and am nicer as Elsa. Hope to enjoy playing with you again.

With that said, please solve other non Mastina slots.

I remembered

[Dwlee99]

to clarify, why do u think Mirio doesnt want you to townread her?

He is so aggressive at me for saying I townread her

So uhh you get asked what your entire contribution to this game as a supposed town player has been, and you state that your contribution is to townread the universally town read player and you expect that to not raise question marks?

This is a non-sequitor

[Dwlee99]

Didn't you quote the post I said that implied what post I liked or was that someone else

...the only post that you referenced regarding her was the one townreading her which isn't a reflection of your thoughts on her beyond 'cool, TR'. And even then it wasn't stated in a way that tells your thoughts. Saying you're cozy in someone's pocket means you are aware to some degree that it could be use to placate.

Okay but you at least know which post I townread her for? Also you should at least try to guess why I'm scumreading you

[Dwlee99]

I don't need to explain why I townread mastina and I find it absurd you want me to

[Dwlee99]

And 1) I hate guessing games, 2) I don't think I've done anything scummy so no.

Why not

[Dwlee99]

This is a non-sequitor

what is that?

What you said wasn't relevant to what I said

[Dwlee99]

No it wasn't a change of subject. It was just not relevant to what I was saying

[Dwlee99]

I said mirio was aggressive. Sakura asks if I don't expect people to ask me questions. That's just different. You can ask questions without being aggressive

[Dwlee99]

And 1) I hate guessing games, 2) I don't think I've done anything scummy so no.

Why not

I refuse to elaborate.

It's cause I have a day cop guilty on you sorry

[Dwlee99]

You find it absurd that someone in a game about examining people's actions and the motives behind them wants to know the motive behind a statement you made?

Why?

@Sakura- non-sequitor means trying to change the topic, if thats what you needed clarification on.

You basically asked me why I think the sky is blue

[Dwlee99]

Lol did you just say I was a bad liar

Elsa what are you doing

[Dwlee99]

dwlee uses they/them pronouns

Thank

I am a 400 foot tall purple platypus-bear with pink horns and silver wings.

[Dwlee99]

I'm being clammy because if I show my hand too much scum will realize I actually have a day cop ability

[Dwlee99]

Lol did you just say I was a bad liar

Elsa what are you doing

Do you admit to being a GOOD liar then?

No

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee's a mason, pack it up folks.

[Dwlee99]

Wait romance are you a Kyo alt

[Dwlee99]

Only Kyo would read into things like that

Although Kyo has also learned not to think I'm a mason literally ever so you must not be

[Dwlee99]

My alt is Derek12

[Dwlee99]

I completely derailed the thread sorry about that

Can we go back to scumreading me or something

[Dwlee99]

No one said mastina is confirmed town.

[Dwlee99]

Oh my goodness it's cheeky teeky

[Dwlee99]

I wouldn't call 1 scumread + 4 townreads + 2 scumleans + 1 townlean +a few null-positives to be 'popping off' in a game with this many players, honestly.

You said this then made 425

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Qrow and Raven

[Dwlee99]

She didn't say why I scumread her so I got kinda bored. Also new day new me

[Dwlee99]

Player vibe is chill

[Dwlee99]

Gamma !! Town!!

VOTE: SirCakez

I really hope you didn't roll scum again cakez cause I want to actually play a game with you

[Dwlee99]

Gamma !! Town!!

VOTE: SirCakez

I really hope you didn't roll scum again cakez cause I want to actually play a game with you

by "with you" do you mean as comrades or smth? I use that phrase in that way a lot myself, though if not this post seems a bit odd because you can still play together even when opposite alignments
I feel like some people I maybe have more fun playing with when we're opposite alignments because of the thrill of the chase (MariaR might fit into this group, been a while since we've

really

played together tho)

-Qrow

Him being scum has led to him just dying so I didn't really get to play with him much

[Dwlee99]

he's probably gotten better about that in the past year or so
3d20 was an anomaly imo

I've been with him in dogs v cats (he was town and I was scum), C9++ (he got caught early and was eliminated day 2), and then 3d20 which yea

[Dwlee99]

^ obviously just referring to recent games. Used to play with him back in 2016 but head empty sort of

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Titus E-2 let's go.
~C

Did I miss something

[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure that's E-10 not E-2

[Dwlee99]

T3 you sound so hesitant to vote me?

[Dwlee99]

Titus votes are kinda lazy but not necessarily scummy

[Dwlee99]

Titus votes are kinda lazy but not necessarily scummy

The raid mechanic has thrown me off and muddied the waters somewhat for me so I'll sit back until the first one is done.
~ C

It's like resistance?

VOTE: RealCheeks

Btw, we should not have anyone from raid 1 go on raid 2.

This post never comes from town Titus.
*makes notes about Dwlee and Titus in spy notebook*
~C

I don't get it

Do you still think this after all the resistance talk?

Also t3 is scared to vote me

[Dwlee99]

This is me realizing t3 said he wanted to vote me while voting me

[Dwlee99]

Mafia chat existing and game start are not synonymous

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: head one head two

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: head one head two

que?

You're ignoring me

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Romance

[Dwlee99]

...I mean, clearly not if you look at how this game is going...

Isn't this a scum claim

[Dwlee99]

A lazier town bell would say that your first part of your post is a scum slip. Lol.

Parrot?

[Dwlee99]

Toogaloo is town
Bell is town
Head one head two is town I think
Tic tac is town I think

STD pick a player to scumread and I'll sheep you

[Dwlee99]

Cakez how comfortable do you feel calling me obvtown? I was surprised to read that

[Dwlee99]

See cakez is either town!cakez that is back to always townreading me as I expect or he is scum!cakez who remembers me saying "you're scum because you never scumread me even when I'm scum" so is making sure to townread me

[Dwlee99]

See cakez is either town!cakez that is back to always townreading me as I expect or he is scum!cakez who remembers me saying "you're scum because you never scumread me even when I'm scum" so is making sure to townread me

So what do you think it is?

Not sure

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Wheme
Why are we doing this?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: wheme
Baaa Dwlee

I don't know why I made the vote and you're sheeping me hello??

[Dwlee99]

Oh. No I literally meant why are we voting wheme

[Dwlee99]

Oh. No I literally meant why are we voting wheme

Why are you voting a wagon you don't understand?

It felt right

Oh. No I literally meant why are we voting wheme

Why are you voting a wagon you don't understand?

That's what I asked earlier.

I admitted to it being mainly because the people on it I townread and like Mirio said he hasn't done anything. But Dwlee didn't even use that as an excuse.

Opportunistic voting is never a good sign.

I don't need excuses to do things

Btw I’d like to thank Dwlee99 for throwing a wrench into one of my probably more valid tells.


-Qrow

If I ask what tell would you tell me? (If so, which tell?)

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: aa9

[Dwlee99]

Mastina your STD vote is bad

[Dwlee99]

Sob

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee why so vote-hoppy?

I'm trying to figure out what I like

[Dwlee99]

well, first the thing I know I want to post. When I was thanking dwlee for fucking with one of my tells, that wasn't to do with his actions this game but in a past one. In large normal 235 he latched onto Nero Cain like a barnacle on a boat's hull, triggering my tell where scum tend to align with a townie's PoV to pocket that townie as well as to make them look partnered. Following that, in Mini Normal 2234 I saw scum!T3 doing similar things with town!StD, and because I'd had such a red herring in dwlee's behavior I completely overlooked it! And now I think I'm seeing the same things between 2 MORE slots here, so I'm kinda like "great, this tell feels REALLY solid but now that dwlee fucked it up it feels impossible to use it with the same faith I had before!"
I think I wanna leave the suspense on who's doing it here though, but the impression is there based on what I'd seen in my calibration readings.

-Qrow

I mean you can still use that tell here cause it's probably scummy if there isn't a super legit reason to do it. I just happen to have good reasons to do that sometimes, which I explained in the game.

[Dwlee99]

Assume do it

[Dwlee99]

I'm still worried about your wheme vote
why would you vote a wagon before knowing the reasons, while also trying to inquire into the reasons?

-Qrow

Can you think of a reason to not?

[Dwlee99]

I'm still worried about your wheme vote
why would you vote a wagon before knowing the reasons, while also trying to inquire into the reasons?

-Qrow

Can you think of a reason to not?

it looks more like you're interested in wagoning vs. sorting in a real capacity?

-Qrow

That isn't a reason not to do something if it helps me figure things out possibly

[Dwlee99]

Aa9 is probably a good vote here

[Dwlee99]

Because I'm town

Don't think you can honestly say the same

[Dwlee99]

As someone who has miseliminated Aa9 many times I am clearly an expert on reading her

[Dwlee99]

I'm still worried about your wheme vote
why would you vote a wagon before knowing the reasons, while also trying to inquire into the reasons?

-Qrow

I'd be more worried about this if it wasn't Dwlee tbf

I'd ask what you mean but I already know

[Dwlee99]

Elitelling = posting elsewhere on site but not in the game

[Dwlee99]

I don't really think Gamma is scum here

Could vote mom

[Dwlee99]

I don't really think Gamma is scum here

Could vote mom

then do it

???
I am voting aa9

I will move if I want to

[Dwlee99]

But what if I'm scum and trying to mislim you. Then I wouldn't be awful right

[Dwlee99]

See like I'd say you can't be serious (aka you're scum) but I don't even know at this point

[Dwlee99]

well, first the thing I know I want to post. When I was thanking dwlee for fucking with one of my tells, that wasn't to do with his actions this game but in a past one. In large normal 235 he latched onto Nero Cain like a barnacle on a boat's hull, triggering my tell where scum tend to align with a townie's PoV to pocket that townie as well as to make them look partnered. Following that, in Mini Normal 2234 I saw scum!T3 doing similar things with town!StD, and because I'd had such a red herring in dwlee's behavior I completely overlooked it! And now I think I'm seeing the same things between 2 MORE slots here, so I'm kinda like "great, this tell feels REALLY solid but now that dwlee fucked it up it feels impossible to use it with the same faith I had before!"
I think I wanna leave the suspense on who's doing it here though, but the impression is there based on what I'd seen in my calibration readings.

-Qrow

I mean you can still use that tell here cause it's probably scummy if there isn't a super legit reason to do it. I just happen to have good reasons to do that sometimes, which I explained in the game.

I legit felt weird stuff from Titus early game that game btw

LN 233? Or?

[Dwlee99]

See like I'd say you can't be serious (aka you're scum) but I don't even know at this point

It's hilarious that you accuse me of something that you're doing yourself.

so you can be sassy with what if's but I cant? First, you were being judgemental, and now hypocrisy?

What "what if" did you say that I said you can't do? Judgemental? How? Hypocritical? How?

[Dwlee99]

Thinking on it, I'm pretty sure arc has been eliminated in every game I've been in with her

[Dwlee99]

Oh I thought you were Gamma I'm incapable of reading

[Dwlee99]

Arc you do realize you're kind of assuming I'm town every time you make a post like that (which is twice now) but you're voting me?

[Dwlee99]

Also one of those times was cause I was evil so that one was actually me being good

[Dwlee99]

What "what if" did you say that I said you can't do? Judgemental? How? Hypocritical? How?

Why don't you ISO yourself, read your posts again, and reflect on them.

What I said is that I don't think you could be serious thinking I scum-claimed there (not only cause I said what if, just in general) but that maybe you could actually be serious. How does your post accusing me of not letting you do hypotheticals/being judgemental/being hypocritical relate to that post?

[Dwlee99]

Also one of those times was cause I was evil so that one was actually me being good

Well, it won't change how i perceive you as a player. you earned yourself some bad meta points for this behavior.

Every meta point is bad

[Dwlee99]

Well, you weren't making a joke. What ifs are still "serious" to me. You were being serious (or pretending to be serious, which is the case where you're scum) that you thought I was scum-claiming. To me I feel like it's more likely you're pretending to be serious than actually serious but also this exact situation has happened before I think where I don't think you could be seriously believing something as town that you say you believe but you're town anyway

[Dwlee99]

Cakez why do you think Aa9 is town besides my terrible read rate on her?

[Dwlee99]

How can you defend Mom here if you're her buddy? There isn't a way

[Dwlee99]

Arcangel is like the most obvious scum or just scummy town. She seems scummy and that means we should let her bake in the read oven for a while longer.

Yea this is the problem with reading her in 100% of games. Just played a game where she didn't out her dethy cop results two days in a row

[Dwlee99]

Ooo she wasn't mislimmed there but I did push her

[Dwlee99]

idc I wouldn't elim her day one anyways

Why

[Dwlee99]

Nice pfp

[Dwlee99]

To be contrarian or something.

Okay so arc is evil right let's consolidate?

Either I keep up the streak of mislimming her or I get a dub

[Dwlee99]

Random quote. That was to Mastina

[Dwlee99]

Mastina says she has reason to think Aa9 is full of shit on something. Why is that not accompanied by a vote?

[Dwlee99]

Nvm mastina is already voting her anyway other people should also vote aa9

[Dwlee99]

Yes I think I might be right this time

[Dwlee99]

Yes I think I might be right this time

Who else is scum?

- House

People that aren't posting

[Dwlee99]

Okay sort me

[Dwlee99]

I forget

[Dwlee99]

Oh wait it's right there

I was bored

[Dwlee99]

Romance explained that it was a joke scum claim so you're the one not seeing it

[Dwlee99]

How can you defend Mom here if you're her buddy? There isn't a way

Not directly, but I'd normally expect more pushes for other players, if the buddy is indefensible. (I say this while not completely aware of the game state or current pushes going on).

There's more than one way to do damage control.

- House

I'm not saying Mom's wagon is bad, by any means. I dunno their meta or their reasons for not being here.

At this point, I'm just trying to keep my game content rolling enough to last me until Friday.

- House

[Dwlee99]

And you're now trying to do that for Aa9 sooo

[Dwlee99]

Thinking on it, I'm pretty sure arc has been eliminated in every game I've been in with her

Knowing this, AND knowing your obsession return eliminating her every game, you have no hesitation about jumping to conclusions?

- House

Yes she's acting sus

[Dwlee99]

And you're now trying to do that for Aa9 sooo

Worst case scenario, I'm transparently tying myself to AA9 by chainsawing her main threat.

Solid scum strat, if we're both red.

- House

It's a tell for a reason

[Dwlee99]

Aa9 just talking past me and saying I'm scum in big letters does not inspire confidence

[Dwlee99]

@house I keep saying I'm not confident so idk how you can think I'm confident on this read

[Dwlee99]

What I said is that I don't think you could be serious thinking I scum-claimed there (not only cause I said what if, just in general) but that maybe you could actually be serious. How does your post accusing me of not letting you do hypotheticals/being judgemental/being hypocritical relate to that post?

You said that the fact I wasn't serious makes me scum so weren't either with your what if's posts. You were conveniently being sassy but passing judgments on my play.

In my language, I call such behavior as hypocrisy.

Well, you weren't making a joke. What ifs are still "serious" to me. You were being serious (or pretending to be serious, which is the case where you're scum) that you thought I was scum-claiming. To me I feel like it's more likely you're pretending to be serious than actually serious but also this exact situation has happened before I think where I don't think you could be seriously believing something as town that you say you believe but you're town anyway

Yes I think I might be right this time

You're wrong and you desperately trying to prove you're right because you know what I rolled.

Spoiler:

Aa9 is probably a good vote here

Because I'm town

Don't think you can honestly say the same

As someone who has miseliminated Aa9 many times I am clearly an expert on reading her

Thinking on it, I'm pretty sure arc has been eliminated in every game I've been in with her

Cakez why do you think Aa9 is town besides my terrible read rate on her?

To be contrarian or something.

Okay so arc is evil right let's consolidate?

Either I keep up the streak of mislimming her or I get a dub

Nvm mastina is already voting her anyway other people should also vote aa9

These are the posts I've read just popping in from time to time today where they've been trying to sell her wagon like a 1984 Nissan.

I'm not saying it makes them scum, I'm just saying they're invested in eliminating AA9 just like (by their own admission) every other game they've been in with her, which makes it seem like they want us to consider their campaigning to be NAI instead of letting their work in this game stand on its own merits.

- House

Finally, someone who sees the truth!!!

Yes I think I might be right this time

Who else is scum?

- House

People that aren't posting

So everyone who is posting is town? You're not scum hunting even one bit and yet you blame others.

VOTE: dwlee

Guess I'm bored.

- House

*Claps*

Here's the sequence of our conversation. I think I explained a lot of things that Aa9 (misunderstood??) about what I said but just responds to me saying I think she is evil instead

[Dwlee99]

Aa9 is objectively scummy, the problem with reading her is she is always objectively scummy so she'll probably get eliminated in almost every game.

[Dwlee99]

I'm scum because I think you're scum? Really?

[Dwlee99]

I mean okay I've made that argument before but that's more about why they think I'm scum not just that they do

[Dwlee99]

@house I keep saying I'm not confident so idk how you can think I'm confident on this read

Screaming for someone's blood when you're not even confident they're scum?

Totally makes sense if you don't think about it.

- House

Exactly

Here's the deal: we have to consolidate eventually somewhere. Game is lethargic. Aa9 is a fine choice to consolidate on because she is scummy af. Do I know she's scum? No. Am I super confident? No, because she has just always been scummy. She definitely is pinging my radar in a different way than she had before, though, so maybe I actually have calibrated my scumdar to be able to pick something up

[Dwlee99]

No Nora I think you're town

[Dwlee99]

Here's the deal: we have to consolidate eventually somewhere. Game is lethargic. Aa9 is a fine choice to consolidate on because she is scummy af. Do I know she's scum? No. Am I super confident? No, because she has just always been scummy. She definitely is pinging my radar in a different way than she had before, though, so maybe I actually have calibrated my scumdar to be able to pick something up

>She has always been scummy every game

Ok, you also mention you mislim her every game, so like, why are you not trying to figure out what are the difference between her town and scum game so you dont mislim her anymore?

Unless you dont have to because you're scum

And this is something i've been meaning to ask you, but can you then in your own words tell me why is AA9

objectively scummy

?

Just read her posts. They're scummy. And I have said something different is pinging me this game so I do have reason to think she is scum vs the other times.

[Dwlee99]

It's d1 but he seems to have the confidence of having an ELO-1 read.

- House

Eh I don't LIKE the push but i don't think its like definitely scummy. Like yeah the push is big meh but like confidence is often is exaggerated? Or at least lately I've been realizing i have been exaggerating my own confidence levels in mafia games. No idea why.

-norbearbear

Strange that you're dinging me for that instead of pointing out where they stated they're not that confident in their read.

I can certainly understand voting a read I'm not confident in, but actively calling for blood on someone they not only are not confident about, but have a known history of pushing mislims on that they themselves introduce to the game?

C'mon...

- House

That's exactly the reason I am dinging you. I remember explicitly saying i wasn't confident but then doubling down and being like this person is 200% scum in town games. Like it's not scummy. It's just your mind feeling like you need to exaggerate things to build up a wagon when you
1) probably don't need to
and
2) look scummy doing it and shouldn't be doing it

but that's the issue. It's not scummy.

-bearbearbear

/disagree

They could easily be leaning on their meta of mislimming AA9 to either:

1) save a buddy that's currently being wagoned; or
2) distance

With dwlee bringing up their own meta of mislimming AA9, #2 is my current favorite, as from they're pov, they look like they, "finally got it right", and town is less likely to lim them if AA9 goes through.

If dwlee's history of always hounding AA9 had been brought up by anybody else, all of this wouldn't be so bad, but they're literally undermining their own credibility on an issue they claims to want.

- House

So you think I'm scum and that I'm distancing/bussing Aa9, so you won't vote her?

If you think me being scum implies that Aa9 is scum, then she is probabilistically more likely to flip scum than me and you should be voting her.

[Dwlee99]

If P -> Q then Pr (P) <= Pr (Q) because Pr (P and Q) = Pr (P)

[Dwlee99]

Those are my words

[Dwlee99]

It isn't about what clears, it's about what's more likely to you. If you think that me being scum makes Aa9 scum because I'm distancing or something, you should be voting her not me.

[Dwlee99]

The only buddy I could possibly be trying to save here is mom I guess? But given I'm completely fine with voting her I don't think that's the argument you should be making.

[Dwlee99]

House I just explained how your logic makes me less likely to flip scum

[Dwlee99]

If P -> Q then Pr (P) <= Pr (Q) because Pr (P and Q) = Pr (P)

^^^

[Dwlee99]

P = me being scum
Q = Arc being scum

P -> Q is that me being scum means Aa9 is scum.

[Dwlee99]

If I'm trying to save mom from being eliminated why would I purposefully bring up my terrible read rate on Aa9? How does that make any sense?

[Dwlee99]

What you're doing is extremely partner!indicative with aa9 because you 1.) Chainsaw defended her by attacking me and 2.) You're voting me over someone you think I'm bussing if I'm scum

[Dwlee99]

The "saving mom from a lim" scenario doesn't make sense so yeah

[Dwlee99]

Even if it isn't impossible it's extremely improbable, so the scenarios would still give you that Aa9 is more likely to be scum.

And this is all ignoring I know my role ffs

[Dwlee99]

It doesn't make sense cause if I'm trying to do it I'm doing a totally piss poor job by undermining my own credibility on aa9

[Dwlee99]

The scum!me scenario most makes sense with Aa9 cause you could argue I'm trying to distance but then give myself an out to vote mom end of day. Why would I give myself an out to vote mom if I'm scum with her?

There's also the scenario where I'm just town

[Dwlee99]

Just remember the chain rule and you'll be golden

[Dwlee99]

Something about the tone feels different. In previous games I have felt her tone was strange but not scummy, I scumread her on content. Here her tone is scummy

[Dwlee99]

Someone good at the game check my Aa9 vibe thanks

[Dwlee99]

Something about the tone feels different. In previous games I have felt her tone was strange but not scummy, I scumread her on content. Here her tone is scummy

[Dwlee99]

If P -> Q then Pr (P) <= Pr (Q) because Pr (P and Q) = Pr (P)

P = me being scum
Q = Arc being scum

P -> Q is that me being scum means Aa9 is scum.

VOTE: Dwlee

I oppose algebra-like equations with a passion. Scum are also known for using math.

That's also a meme vote because I don't think my vote is doing much now. So I'm waiting for a signal of who to vote for from someone I trust.

This is stats, not algebra

[Dwlee99]

Something about the tone feels different. In previous games I have felt her tone was strange but not scummy, I scumread her on content. Here her tone is scummy

[Dwlee99]

obnoxious, standard dwlee play

Ow

[Dwlee99]

It's been five years toog

[Dwlee99]

Well let's see. One time I mislimmed her partly against my will. I wanted scum but her and Datisi were locked in a 1v1. One time I was convinced by Nero because I'm pretty sure he genuinely thought she was evil (it was multiball). Then there was one where she didn't claim a cop result in dethy so I wanted to eliminate her but someone else found a 50/50 on me and someone else so we voted there instead.

LN 235 I don't remember if I read her correctly or not. I kind of ignored her slot cause we caught a bunch of other people starting D3 and she wasn't on my radar until she claimed doctor after scum claimed to be a jailkeeper.

[Dwlee99]

Then there was a time I got her mislimmed on purpose cause I was scum and we were sort of in a mech 1v1 and I guess I towntold harder.

[Dwlee99]

I don't think I had felt the tone was scummy in any of those scenarios

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Mom

[Dwlee99]

...... I'm not playing this game of musical votes.
-R

What does this even mean

[Dwlee99]

It feels like the mom vote was facetious since that's the wagon I was moving off of and house moved away from it for a dwlee vote.

So I get where the feeling there isn't resistance to some of these wagons is coming from but it feels more like there is an unspoken equilibrium. I don't know why though.

I didn't vote because you effectively unvoted mom (I didn't know where your vote was). I voted cause people don't really want the arc wagon

[Dwlee99]

I'd be angry if Dwlee caught me. Genuine anger can be a scum thing too

[Dwlee99]

my scum pool rn
(qrow and raven, elsa, wheme, head one and head two, Romance, Mirio)
and actually save the dragons has been lackluster so they can go in there too

Elsa?

[Dwlee99]

Please explain your opposition to the mom wagon

[Dwlee99]

I will briefly venture into meta to say she lurked out as scum in dead silence 1 and she forgot about ODM leading to her getting replaced as scum

[Dwlee99]

Okay but you're just wrong

You want to meta mom to say you don't think she would play this way as scum you don't get to ignore that that is just false

[Dwlee99]

Okay but you're just wrong

You want to meta mom to say you don't think she would play this way as scum you don't get to ignore that that is just false

but your only reason to SR her is her activity. how is that better?

-nornor

Romance already said it but I'll repeat it, mom promised content and has delivered none. She is at the very least > Rand scum

[Dwlee99]

Okay but you're just wrong

You want to meta mom to say you don't think she would play this way as scum you don't get to ignore that that is just false

but your only reason to SR her is her activity. how is that better?

-nornor

Romance already said it but I'll repeat it, mom promised content and has delivered none. She is at the very least > Rand scum

The evidence is like super lacking still.

-sighbearbear

Okay sell me on something else?

[Dwlee99]

Others just towntold hard enough that scum got narrowed down *shrug*
Scum caught for the wrong reasons is still scum that’s been caught

-Qrow

True !

[Dwlee99]

Okay but you're just wrong

You want to meta mom to say you don't think she would play this way as scum you don't get to ignore that that is just false

...
metabad tho.

-F

Exactly... Nora defended Mom with meta and I pointed out the meta was bad with countermeta. Cause meta is bad

[Dwlee99]

I will briefly venture into meta to say she lurked out as scum in dead silence 1 and she forgot about ODM leading to her getting replaced as scum

Ya know mara doesn't have a pattern of replacement as scum or town?

She has a busy life and sometimes even forgets she's in games. I got told off for the ODM call out jsyk...

Okay but she is promising and not delivering content which is scummy. I know people are busy but that can be stated without promising things that won't be given if town

[Dwlee99]

Is Mara Marashu?

[Dwlee99]

Okay I only know them as momrangal.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Mom

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: MomVOTE: MomVOTE: MomVOTE: Mom

[Dwlee99]

Titus, sort dwlee for us, would you?

VOTE: Mom

[Dwlee99]

Fuck, toog was right weren't they

[Dwlee99]

Now that's what I'm talking about

[Dwlee99]

GIF said no fake hammer fun

[Dwlee99]

Probably should have gotten a claim but okay

[Dwlee99]

Toog dies tomorrow or tonight on green flip unless there's a green check on them

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Raid

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Toog

[Dwlee99]

Yes, bad

[Dwlee99]

Why?

[Dwlee99]

This is the first time in my life i've used this role correctly and still accomplished nothing.

confusion

[Dwlee99]

Epic

[Dwlee99]

I hope it's not toog cause I forgot to post that anyone with a hard guilty on toog shouldn't talk cause they need to be limmed unless there's a clear

[Dwlee99]

My brain is kind of shut off cause guilty but theoretically better to hold sure

[Dwlee99]

What the hell does snogging mean to you

[Dwlee99]

Are there are only 2 scum arc?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: SirCakez
I'm so mad at RNG rn

[Dwlee99]

I do not think I was ever townreading cakez in a significant capacity

[Dwlee99]

Gamma !! Town!!

VOTE: SirCakez

I really hope you didn't roll scum again cakez cause I want to actually play a game with you

Wheme and asa9 are plausible cake buddies

[Dwlee99]

More about his behavior than your behavior.

Fair

[Dwlee99]

Flavor solving will be outguessing the mod. Scum will almost for sure have fake claims

[Dwlee99]

Raid says strong will or strongarm so I'm assuming a scum night kill would go through protection cause strongarm.

[Dwlee99]

Reactive is more of a playstyle than a scum tell

[Dwlee99]

Explain Aa9 please

[Dwlee99]

So you think I'm scum and that I'm distancing/bussing Aa9, so you won't vote her?

If you think me being scum implies that Aa9 is scum, then she is probabilistically more likely to flip scum than me and you should be voting her.

The misrep is real
House thinks AA9 could be scum or town, more likely scum, but thinks you’re scum regardless. So no, probability doesn’t suggest Arc should be elimmed.

-Qrow

Also really baffled @ House’s 2342

No, house thinks I'm scum for bussing Aa9. If that was the reason for me to be scum, then I'm less or equally likely to be scum than aa9.

[Dwlee99]

Well thought, I think house believes in me now

[Dwlee99]

Yea except if I'm scum why am I bothering to push arc there instead of just... not

[Dwlee99]

Like at the time the theory was I'm either bussing arc or trying to counterwagon mom. We know mom is town so I couldn't have been trying to counterwagon her (and at the time I argued that that world made no sense anyway) which leaves the world where I'm bussing arc.

[Dwlee99]

One time I was convinced by Nero because I'm pretty sure he genuinely thought she was evil (it was multiball).

Idk if this matters but my recollection was Nero pushed her because she was scummy and not aligned with him, I think he didn’t actually have an opinion on her alignment directly.

-Qrow

He seemed baffled in the neighbor chat she wasn't actually scum

[Dwlee99]

Like at the time the theory was I'm either bussing arc or trying to counterwagon mom. We know mom is town so I couldn't have been trying to counterwagon her (and at the time I argued that that world made no sense anyway) which leaves the world where I'm bussing arc.

Or you could be pushing one town to save another to set up false interaction reads
The fact is that your argument at the time was bad and manipulative.

-Qrow

Or I could just be trying to actually kill scum?

[Dwlee99]

No cakez claim now

[Dwlee99]

Gamma stop tanking my TR of you

[Dwlee99]

DON'T WANNA YEET RIGHT NOW:
SirCakez, Sakura Hana

Lol

[Dwlee99]

Not leaving raid

[Dwlee99]

Cakez please claim

[Dwlee99]

Saves my paranoia that Romance found a powerful role with rolecop and faked a guilty to get them limmed