Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Harley Quinn]

I take it that neither of you noticed my terrible attempt at reaction testing.
(Which is a relief. I was getting worried that somebody was going to notice. Because I don't want to break people's hearts. I actually regret not being straightforward. I just felt like if S_S got upset by me, I won't be able to recover, because he's real nice and seems like a good person.)

If SS is scum and you catch him, he will get upset. He got extremely pissed at me Squid game.

[Harley Quinn]

No it sounds to me like she wanted cb dead because he was sr her.

This is a circular argument. You're assuming catboi is town and then proving catboi is town. If he was scum, then marci obviously wouldn't really be afraid of him, but it would make sense for her to post something like that for distancing purposes.

I’ve played enough games to know that this is the way scum treats a townie they feel threatened by. Shiro’s spewed locktown and everything else including MY SUPERIOR read on Shiro + the paraphrasing from our PT confirms it. If my opinions weren’t so ridiculously discredited, people would listen. I’m not wrong, this is 1000% Shiro!town here.

[Harley Quinn]

I forgot Shiro was catboi. Add early catboi mindmeld to reasons to TR Shiro.

@SS can you engage my wall?

Yeah. so Titus, what do you make of the extremely unfathomable resistance to the Shiro townreads?

[Harley Quinn]

Shiro/Fire/Titus/Alyssa/Galron all town.

[Harley Quinn]

I’ve played enough games to know that this is the way scum treats a townie they feel threatened by.

I mean, not always. I definitely don't do that. Have you played with scum marci before?

No, she played extremely briefly in me v Titus in a town hydta and as extremely obvious town in OMB but this is my first experience with scum!Marci.

What I can tell you is that I cannot recall in any game ever scum saying to a buddy what Marci said to cb. In fact, had I seen that post, I would have yeeted her on the spot because that post screamed obvscum to me. No town ever makes that kind of post and I am definitely disadvantaged by not having fully read the game. But I’ll have to make do despite that.

[Harley Quinn]

Wrt Andante, the main reason I think she could be scum here, is Marci saying trs on her are “icky”. It’s hard not to think that isn’t tming a buddy. Also, Andante doesn’t seem to be particularly upset about being sr. What really baffles me is that STD hard tr her but srs Fire. How is Fire scummy?

[Harley Quinn]

General question. Is it unusual in dance games for no one to have just left by this point? I know Marci, but that wasn't voluntary really.

Actually it is. This is probably the first lovers’ dance game I’ve seen ever with that hasn’t happened by this point.

[Harley Quinn]

General question. Is it unusual in dance games for no one to have just left by this point? I know Marci, but that wasn't voluntary really.

Actually it is. This is probably the first lovers’ dance game I’ve seen ever with that hasn’t happened by this point.

oog: Have you been able to eat?

Yes thanks I did. My friend visited me and brought food.

[Harley Quinn]

Okay I'm willing to do this as a test.

VOTE: Andante/FB

How many votes on her now?

[Harley Quinn]

I know it's only been 8 or 12 hours since I first asked, but RH9 has posted since I first asked him to towncase himself. He hasn't even acknowledged the post. He has shown that he reads everything and that he responds to anything asked of him. So that's a thing.

Yeah, Idk what’s up between RH9 and GL, because even if Titus is right, that would still leave one more scum. However, it’s conceivable he missed it? I know Dats’ jumped on me for +1 one of his posts because I failed to respond to a question directed to me in a hige while. Idk why Alyssa has such a strong tr on him. He also really hasn’t said much about Andante which also puzzles me.

I’m rn going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assumed that he missed it but if he still doesn’t respond then, it’s obviously bad.

[Harley Quinn]

I'm town

Then who’s scum?

[Harley Quinn]

Shiro is telling me he wants to leave and that he thinks Ydra and Dats are scum. I’m trying to talk him out of it though. :/

This is the opposite of what he needs to consider if these are his scumreads.

Do not leave, that is the most anti-town action anyone can take right now.

I talked him out of it hopefully, he was really pissed.

so he was pissed in the private thread and not in the main thread?

Why do you think his emotions were so different between there and here?

@Harley

do you not think it's even a little odd that Shiro seemed so pissed in your PT he was talking about leaving, yet expressed

none

of that anger or frustration in the main thread? Why tell you he wanted to leave and nobody else?

No I don’t because when I hydra’d with him, he was far more active in our discord chat then the main thread, so I really don’t see this as much different. He also didn’t know I was actually going to post aboit it. It’s not extremely different than what Galron diid in SS’ PT, except of course the issue he had didn’t revolve around me.

[Harley Quinn]

I had a dream that the scumteam was Firebringer + Something_Smart + somebody within Titus/STD and Shiro/HQ pairings

I don't know if I even actually saw the 4th, just that the other 3 pairings were TvT

I am so far out of my scumrange atp, it’s insane and Marci spewed Shiro town and anyone who disagrees, please find me even one single mafia game ever, where scum said to a buddy what Marci said to cb. I have never seen it happen, not even once.


I’m also confused, didn’t you want one of Titus/STD or Galron/SS to endgame?

Fwiw, I feel better about STD than SS but I hard tr Galron/Titus equally.

I know no one will listen to me but I’m not tr Dats. I don’t feel they are genuinely trying to sort me. I have been tunneled by town!Dats before and this feels different because town!Dats pushes me, questions and reacesses. That’s what he did in Yin and Yang and micro. He ignored Norwee’s read on me as well. Even gl can tell that I’m town. Datisi is literally the only one who’s still sr me.

I could still be wrong on Dats but his straight up deathtunnelling of me with no doubt or hesitation despite my gazillion towntells through the freaking roof, really bother me. Even when I was scum, he still questioned his read on me but he has never once questioned it.

[Harley Quinn]

"datisi is tunnelling me with no doubt or hesitation"

me, who quite literally unvoted their pair and said that i want to focus elsewhere because it's very likely i might be wrong: ...

This is then total news to me. When did this happen?

[Harley Quinn]

i also had a dream about the game last night

but in my dream, i read an article that guiltylion is a front username by a famous chess grandmaster from pakistan, who likes playing mafia anonymously online

and then a neighbour asked me if i wanna go swimming at the beach in the middle of december

so idk how that helps solve the game but

I want to co-opt your dreams.

[Harley Quinn]

Find me just one game - just one - in the entire history of mafia - where scum said about their buddy, that they wanted to vote them out for having bad reads.

I’m not greedy, All I ask is for one game - ONE -where this has actually happened.

[Harley Quinn]

I wish that the pairs had been ordered better.

If I had all of my strongest trs paired but that was in another game in a different alternate universe.

[Harley Quinn]

Find me just one game - just one - in the entire history of mafia - where scum said about their buddy, that they wanted to vote them out for having bad reads.

I’m not greedy, All I ask is for one game - ONE -where this has actually happened.

I’m serious.

I have never seen it happen even once, so prove me wrong.

[Harley Quinn]

Find me just one game - just one - in the entire history of mafia - where scum said about their buddy, that they wanted to vote them out for having bad reads.

I’m not greedy, All I ask is for one game - ONE -where this has actually happened.

I’m serious.

I have never seen it happen even once, so prove me wrong.

Fire, stop fucking ignoring this. Marci spewed him town unless you can find even one game to disprove this.

Marci isn’t RC, she slipped and spewed cb town.

[Harley Quinn]

Shiro seemed to have been solving a week ago. But there’s a lot of just mixed in commentary about general game movements
I don’t think scum shiro can’t do this?

Shiro’s solve has been Dat’s/Ydra. Did you not read my PT paraphrasings? This isn’t new. If Dats is actually reacessing me, then I’m rethinking it.

I think Marci also might have tmi’d your dance partner as her buddy by calling trs on her “icky” but that’s the best I’ve got. I would leave if I wasn’t so confident he was town. I strongly believe we are a T - T pair.

[Harley Quinn]

tinfoil HQ+Shiro SvS theory

we had that tinfoil like 3 days ago, keep up

it would explain a whole lot about the game

but sadly I'm pretty sure it's wrong

I’d bet my life savings on it.

I don’t know why you’re suddenly doubting me, Alyssa? And I have correctly tr and sr slips like the kind Marci made. Marci outright scumclaimed with that. That screams scum trying to push a miselim. Never an SvS thing.

[Harley Quinn]

I very much doubt a scum game of mine exists where I have put this much effort in solving. I hate fake solving. I’m not fake solving.

[Harley Quinn]

tinfoil HQ+Shiro SvS theory

we had that tinfoil like 3 days ago, keep up

My tin foil is no scum.
Top that

In a ridiculously bastard game where the mods are scum, I’d actually buy it.

[Harley Quinn]

tinfoil HQ+Shiro SvS theory

we had that tinfoil like 3 days ago, keep up

it would explain a whole lot about the game

but sadly I'm pretty sure it's wrong

I’d bet my life savings on it.

I don’t know why you’re suddenly doubting me, Alyssa? And I have correctly tr and sr slips like the kind Marci made. Marci outright scumclaimed with that. That screams scum trying to push a miselim. Never an SvS thing.

like, sorry to be blunt about this, but I do not trust BoP reads from players onto specific other players unless I have strong reason to believe it is true (and this situation is not one of those cases), so your meta read on Shiro does nothing for me

and I put little faith in associatives being correct on their own merit, I find them to be at best slightly better than random

Marci isn’t some God Tier scumplayer, she isn’t RC. She straight up slipped by spewing cb town. She is not good enough of a scumplayer to think of wifomming a buddy like that.

[Harley Quinn]

she sounds very similar across her town and scum games

I’m not sure I agree with this, she usually has more conviction as town but meh.

[Harley Quinn]

and I have a feeling fire is also town, so limming fire and I? we lose a T/T pair, then maf kills T/T, and sounds like we're gonna lose

Problem is everybody is saying this.

[Harley Quinn]

tinfoil HQ+Shiro SvS theory

we had that tinfoil like 3 days ago, keep up

it would explain a whole lot about the game

but sadly I'm pretty sure it's wrong

I’d bet my life savings on it.

I don’t know why you’re suddenly doubting me, Alyssa? And I have correctly tr and sr slips like the kind Marci made. Marci outright scumclaimed with that. That screams scum trying to push a miselim. Never an SvS thing.

like, sorry to be blunt about this, but I do not trust BoP reads from players onto specific other players unless I have strong reason to believe it is true (and this situation is not one of those cases), so your meta read on Shiro does nothing for me

and I put little faith in associatives being correct on their own merit, I find them to be at best slightly better than random

Marci isn’t some God Tier scumplayer, she isn’t RC. She straight up slipped by spewing cb town. She is not good enough of a scumplayer to think of wifomming a buddy like that.

99% of scum players don't think that hard about what they're doing

99% of scum players also aren’t original and I highly doubt that Marci is the first scumbutt to have treated a buddy like this.

[Harley Quinn]

I am only player in this game who doesn’t townread his partner.

Like that’s good enough for me. I didn’t tr Red/Meg in pair and I was right.

[Harley Quinn]

cool. so you agree that there is a universe where marci is just saying shit and that shit just happens to be about a partner of hers?

Scumteams are far more alike than different. No, I believe she scumclaimed by spewing cb town. The fact that no one can think of a game that contradicts it means extremely much much greater > rand, I’m not wrong.

[Harley Quinn]

I am only player in this game who doesn’t townread his partner.

Like that’s good enough for me. I didn’t tr Red/Meg in pair and I was right.

I’m not talking to u

Andante?

[Harley Quinn]

I'm not going to search through my past games to search for a specific example for something that I don't even look for in my games in the first place

and 90+% of the time that's exactly what everyone else thinks too

What I have seen is scum doing that to a townie who was threatening them and cb was hard sr Marci. Why do you keep fighting me on this?

Town pushes on scum, scum not wanting to look bad at a green flip does this kind of shit all the damn time.

[Harley Quinn]

and I have a feeling fire is also town, so limming fire and I? we lose a T/T pair, then maf kills T/T, and sounds like we're gonna lose

Problem is everybody is saying this.

Someone is clearly lying then, I don't lie though!! I am town

Well I’m at a loss. I know I’m town and I strongly believe Shiro is as well.

@STD, can we have a readslist please?

[Harley Quinn]

Andante, you did in fact lie and lie quite well in Happy Face, so you saying you don’t lie is seriously not convincing. When you’re scum - if you are - you obviously have to lie about that, so everyone lies if they’re scum.

[Harley Quinn]

and I have a feeling fire is also town, so limming fire and I? we lose a T/T pair, then maf kills T/T, and sounds like we're gonna lose

Problem is everybody is saying this.

Someone is clearly lying then, I don't lie though!! I am town

Well I’m at a loss. I know I’m town and I strongly believe Shiro is as well.

@STD, can we have a readslist please?

Dragons is mafia.

@STD, can we have a readslist please?

taly scum

still funny

That’s not an answer.

[Harley Quinn]

@STD, can we have a readslist please?

Gentlemen
Galron - town
Datisi - null
Shiro - town
Taly - town
RH9 - town
Firebringer - scum
Save the Dragons - that's me!

Ladies
Ydrasse - oooo mystery
GuiltyLion - null
Something_Smart - town
Harley Quinn - town
Alyssa the Lamb - town
Andante - town
Titus - town

Okay nm, spoke too soon.

Why is Fire scum?

[Harley Quinn]

I wonder what would happen if Andante insisted on voting out one of Dats/gl. Would Fire actually make good on his leaving threat? Not actually suggesting it but something to think about because I think if he really thoight Andante was scum, why does he keep saying that but won’t leave?

If I had any doubts on Shiro I absolutely would.

[Harley Quinn]

why does town fire who suspects his partner not leave

in squid game fire said he yolo leaves often in dance games, but the way the pairings worked out, he was scum paired with another scum so he couldn't yolo leave.

plus i don't think anything he's said is outside his scum range. i'm not confident it's kind of one of those town reads you get paranoid about, but i've got reasons to tr most every one else in the game.

An incredibly protown reason

Fire

doesn't leave.

He is listening to me and wants me to post first.

That's not something everybody seems interested in.

Yeah you’re probably right.

[Harley Quinn]

Summary:

The + system refers to how I rank the players as most effective later game AGAINST my personal read. It's how I'm quantifying the pairs by how they've interacted with the thread, what their dynamic with their partner is, and how confident I am in a read on them. Higher + players in this ranking are townreads that I feel comfortable lasting longer in this game. The clearest drawback to this is that I townread at least one person in every single pair with moderate strength. This perpetuates TvT environment which is why I suggested townhunting earlier because I don't think the most active players in disagreement are scum

{HQ, Fire, Datisi, Titus}

, and my strongest townreads have someone that is half their + value. This ranking is also relative because I don't actually start to lose confidence and townreads until the (+1)-(+5) player range, because everybody is ranked versus each other and there are only 3 scum left in this game. So my error rate with this list is 1:4 to 1:5 players (~2-3 misreads.)

~

(+11.5) Titus *TIE*

This is partially a meta read because I've had the most extensive history with

Titus

out of everyone on this list, and she is 1 of 3 people in this game that I have actually hydra'd with. This biases me, but my read accuracy with her is strong regardless of her alignment. Even then, she has been the most communicative and guiding player in this entire game toward an IC slot. Just like with

Something_Smart

and

Alyssa

, I could quote an entire wall of posts that I feel have actively helped me that I do not detect any clear malicious intent from. I thought about doing links here but people can just ask for them...

The only point I can think of versus this slot is the idea that

LLD

could've had an ulterior motive with arranging my pair. Also because

Titus

might be taking an active approach to steer me in a certain direction, but with the context of

Nancy V Titus

, this seems to have a protown agenda even if playstyles conflict.

Oh, and unless

HQ/Titus

are S/S and this game is a nightmare - which I really think is almost never the case here,

Titus

is candidly town with her more nurturing approach to her slot. It's just... under extremely unfavorable scum conditions

Titus

can kill her partners faster than bug spray kills flies, I'm sure she's town atp. 3 T/S pairs seems more combative a gamestate to town than scum.

~

(+11.5) Alyssa the Lamb *TIE*

Another player I'm biased via history and a pretty expansive hydra past. She also has engaged a lot with an IC on a level I don't think Mafia are willing to. She's actively hurting herself as scum by positing herself as never endgame material. Like, unless

SS/Galron/Titus/StD

contain 2 of her partners to compose a team, which, fuck, I don't see

Alyssa

being scum. I honestly do not have any points to suggest she is scum. If she is scum and I'm deeply pocketed, this has been completely accidental on her end, and that contributes greatly to her + value.

Anything else I can discuss about her will best be addressed to

GL

.

~

(+10) Datisi

I think the drain

Datisi

has experienced this game is to a level of townbinning. They seem genuinely frustrated and strong in their convictions and I think that's a merging tactic with their partner, which I think is very much a behavior likelier to come from town. Whether I agree with this slot's approach to the proposition of 1v1ing and my reservation with their partner is why they are not higher than

Titus

or

Alyssa

. My initial reason for being comfortable with

Dat's

pair with

GL

was that he could best tell a more controversial slot's alignment. I don't see a lot of progression with how

Datisi

has viewed

GL

throughout this game and that is something I want to hear from in a very concise post.

I think this read may come as pretty hard to hear for this slot so I sympathize.

~

(+9) Something_Smart

I'll be truthful, I spent even more time debating

Harley/Fire/SS

+ value than I did

Titus/Alyssa

. This came down to my lack of comprehension of how and why

SS

-scum has the end-of-Predance ISO that they do. Even if I lowered

SS

, it would not change their and

Fire/Harley's

overall pair placement. Their spat with

Harley

feels town of them since he acknowledges a playstyle clash.

There's still that thought in the back of my mind that this pair being last contains scum, but I also think that's an easy narrative for scum to pivot on T/T and another reason for my reservation to push First Dance.

Also

SS

has done a lot of

"IC help"

like

Titus/Alyssa

so. 1312 3435 3440 3555 3610 3641 and more...

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(+8) Firebringer

Fire doge. Memes a lot. Feels much good. So town.

That's the premise behind every game I don't want to eliminate

Fire

quickly in. I don't know if spending more time thinking on this slot is very necessary. I think they're willingness to take down their partner is a trait that town-

Fire

has expressed in previous games, and the fact that they're heeding my word before pulling any trigger is extremely protown because scum do NOT want me to give legacy thoughts even if my thoughts had a higher than normal error rate because what IS correct about my reads will be heavily factored against any mid-to-late-game narrative they want to pull.

Like, they're this low because of similar reasons

HQ

is low, thread wants them or their partner to perish and this stage is the most sound time to take this as a valid reasoning to eliminate. I think

Fire

himself should give legacy thoughts.

~

(+7) Harley Quinn

This is the soul of town!

Harley

. I just think as scum being pushed, they'd have more compromising input and emotional injection into the thread. I think they are stern in their beliefs but they don't seem informed because the reads are not a kneejerk reaction to the pressure. What keeps this slot in the midway of + value is the consistent talking about

Ydrasse

despite repeated discouragement of that, and a very incohesive disposition towards a lot of the playerlist. This isn't at all singling her out and I do enjoy playing with her, but I don't think town is likely to keep her late game even without

Shiro's

influence.

Very, very similar feelings to what I said with

Datisi

. I think their partner is very likely T/S and I've yet to see convincing evidence that points me away from this. I think their reactions to the thread have been understandable and I wish I could do more to ease this slot than just say

"this is my vote, it's not on you, sorry."

Harley

, like

Fire

, should give legacy thoughts in the unfortunate event they are eliminated.

~

(+6) Galron

I can't digress my hydra experience with this slot for oog reasons but I have seen this man on different users and I have quite a bit of recent experience that affects my perspective here.

Lots of their posts right now are just tests, this doesn't feel like baiting though, I can see the intention to solve either a partner or assess the temperature about a

Fire/Andante

elimination. 3291 5522 It's like they're taking this thread less seriously because they're confident in their reads and/or confident in the process and do not feel pressured at all. This is a very good sign for a slot that has situationally been given a lot of suspicion. I just don't think they pretend to leave their partner or even as scum trying to punk a townie in their own PT.

Ultimately, while I don't have a roadmap on their scumgame, I think they've made actions in this game that would otherwise be to their sole detriment as scum. This slot would probably be higher if I had more time to sort, I can't tailor a scum mentality here. I could towncase this tbh, and that speaks volumes for how I read players

(+7)-(+12)

. Their ISO is just a mindmeld is retrospect to me and upon looking at them more, I could just swap

S_S/Galron

spots.

~

(+5) Save the Dragons

Another player that I feel has just honestly vibed with me more than not, there is just very little that suggests their alignment either way. I think what I initially enjoyed about this slot is more so a playstyle in finding fun as often as scum because they're capable of actively quote-by-quote walling players and they've since just reinforced popular beliefs in the thread. I want to trust

Titus'

perception of this slot and out of all the pairs, I feel more comfortable with this pairing being able to discern what is scum, I just don't have as good a reason to townread this slot as I do with the majority of the playerlist.

~

(+4) RH9

I have the least defined thoughts about this slot because they are 100% inoffensive even when they're asserting a stance. This suggests scum equity if my understanding of the gamestate is correct because they do not want to be the source of attention in any form, something I think scum would thrive in if there are no S/S pairs. Conversely, their desire for townhunting may come from a newer town player who has found many conflicting narratives within the game thread and is challenged by finding the most accurate one. I also think they've demonstrated a lack of WIM through their interaction with

GL

and I also think the holiday may play a role in their complacency. This could also be a source of playstyle clashing with a partner like

Alyssa

, who seems to build unique solves constantly in a game that don't have any upfront reasoning attached.

This slot is town in some realities, but it's not apparent because they're very subtle and thus their motives can align with almost any scumteam right now. They're either hidden scum or a reason to mislim a T/T pair, and I think people focusing to pursue this right now are suspect for pushing the latter possibility.

~

(+3) GuiltyLion

I feel like I should build a whole new wall atp in the next ~12-20 hr about

GL

because this man is the densest player of them all and it's not an easy task to sort how they come to their conclusions because they seem like strong reads being asserted and yet, they constantly change. I want to say this cracks the game open like an egg, but in the lesser likely scenario this is town that's stuck in the PoE, this is anti-town reason to eliminate alone.

Probably the most difficult slot attach a + value to. Ironically, this lowers the value a lot. If there were any scum pressing an active agenda, which does not seem likely but might be, this is the only answer I'd have confidence in. Otherwise, their convictions are a bit of a rare find from scum. I do think they've tried to soothe people they have 1v1'd like

Titus

in a manner I see from scum at times. I also just feel their

Alyssa

push came out of left field.

I have to say, I need help from

GL

to understand him because I need context on his reads around

Titus/Alyssa

. Kind of biased because they told me I'm pocketed without addressing my reasons for townreading

Alyssa

. They've originally asserted that I was being pushed into scum-

LLD

agenda, and the next part is stating that I am pocketed, or addressing

Ydrasse

alongside

HQ

. I also don't think

Norwe

rejected my dance offer and just wanted to read the thread, so their push on

Norwe

felt easy for scum, but

Marci

would be an S/S interaction in this reality.... Still, this does not feel constructive from another townie, and so, scum seems a possibility here.

This + value can change a lot off of very little tbh... would be in the range of (+2)-(+7), so y'all shouldn't hold your breath. Here's my reply to them:

No I don't want

Aly

limmed

respectfully sir I think you have been pocket'd

Then tell me why. Tell me why Aly pairs with her partner or why she is scum to begin with.

well, she stalled out any possibility of pairing with catboi. if scum!Alyssa is afraid of him being good at reading her I can see why she wouldn't want to pair with him.

My counter is that by the time she wanted to have paired,

catboi

had replaced. Plus, why would scum stall in the first place if

catboi

was not an IC or a heavily suspected slot? It seemed like

Aly

used the proposals as a way to solve.

She didn't have many options left after catboi repped out, it was either RH9, catboi replacement, or Galron

Were any of those bad options? Especially when I prompted for her to pair ASAP when

Datisi/GL

-

Shiro/HQ

-

marci/Norwe

had already paired?

I don't think it's really correct to frame this as a conscious decision to pair with her partner, it was kinda randomly impulsively done like I said after Datisi and I paired. and I could see Alyssa being confident enough in her scum game to try to carry RH9 though endgame, it also means she doesn't have to trick any townies in a PT, that's a ton less effort

But for her to carry

RH9

to endgame is the complete opposite mentality she's mentioned by never being an endgame pair this game... Are you saying most of her posting about how we should think about pairing is conducive to scum or benefits her exclusively?

she's scum by POE largely because I have solid townreads on all of Fire, Datisi, Titus, STD, Galron, S_S, and she started flipping out and OMGUSing once I was casing RH9 and pushing him. not hard to see it, really. she still hasn't once given a good reason to townread RH9

RH9

was not the first person I initially suspected after

Marci/Norwe's

flip, I guess this is relatively trivial, but I don't have reason to think

Alyssa

is protecting

RH9

. I can understand your scumread of

RH9

but factoring my above assessment of that slot, I can't tell if you're doing this to grow the elimination pool. I think this might be an unfair assessment from me especially if we just disagree, but while I see your POV of

Aly

-scum, there's plenty, plenty more I can bring up about a townread on them since they have used their understanding of my mind to help orient me to this game. Plus, your points other than this one are a pretty different interpretation of

Alyssa

than mine and in a game full of townreading and town shitting on each other, it's these nuances in narrative building that give me pause.

~

(+1.5) Andante *TIE*

If there's anyone that I think has tried to speak for me this game, it is this slot earlier Pre-Dance and that impression has stuck to them 1511 and 1540, I'll also note that there wasn't an issue with my townreading of

SS

for doing the same that

Titus

did here. This slot has the lesser degree of my vex with

Shiro

, there seems to be no consistent drive to solving the game because they pop in and out with new thoughts and little follow-through with what you'd think is a free-flowing town perspective. It's like there is a rhythm to a town mindset and a lot of their posts feel to be placeholders for noise. I don't remember why they think the things they do or even their votes.

I will inquiry on this slot, does this look S/S to anyone?

*I mean, "I don't want you to hate me" cause I'm telling Taly I didn't jump for joy when I saw Taly the IC? Taly was definitely giving off the "I want everyone to say good things about me!" vibes lol

how did he give those vibes..? i dont really see it tbh

I mean, have you read anything he has said this game? it's definitely how I interpreted a lot of it, look, I don't care to discuss my taly thoughts here, taly is literally confirmed town, I was laughing at how taly's focus has basically been "talk about me"

~

(+1.5) Shiro *TIE*

The sum of their reply to the suspicion on them has been

"why"

and I stand by my stance that they seemed to know

Marci

would flip scum instead of

Norwe

at a time that they were going to be flipped anyway. It is easier to understand this slot's perspective if it was informed. I have no metric of their meta and nobody has spoken to me directly with evidence that this is town indicative of them. If so, I have missed it.

HQ

, speak to me about this ASAP - everybody in this game should be noise to you until you do.

~

The Verdict-

Titus/Save the Dragons: +16.5
Alyssa the Lamb/RH9: +15.5
Something_Smart/Galron: +15
Datisi/GuiltyLion: +13
Fire/Andante: +9.5
Harley Quinn/Shiro: +8.5

Lower + pairs are ones I am more willing to eliminate at this stage, even if I confidently townread a player in them.

If

(+6)-(+12)

players identify some level of towncore, then

SS/Galron

are a solid later game pair, tbh.

I actually think

Datisi/GL

being T/T means I was or am pocketed somewhere, probably 1 person maximum in the top 3 pairings. This is a Second Dance discussion, and I don't think my input helps much more here unless I'm prodded to bring hypotheticals which I think increases WIFOM around my slot.

I already explained why Shiro is spewed town by Marci wanting to kill cb. We are at least one T - T couple and you shouldn’t even be considering us today.

Also, your strongest tr and me - BOTH who have extensive experience hydraing with Shiro think you’re wrong.

[Harley Quinn]

Where is solving shiro

To be fair, I am a mechanics solver most of the time or I PoE.

I still stand by my assessment on how people jumped on me being scummy. Scum tend to think I am an easy person to push and jump on me for being fluffy or just derping around.

And that is precisely what happened here. The game had been going in circles and they found it easy, especially Ydras and Tally blessing on it was icing on the cake for scum.

I bet everything on 2 scum being on there.

What I am truly worried here is actually starting to be Harley. Like I fully townread her hence why I treat our pt like a hydra pt but she is mischaracterizing my latest stuff which made me pause. From one side why would scum her even do that? Which led me to think it most likely is that she misunderstood me but still the fact she said she convinced me not to leave was eeeeeeeh weird.

For the record I was never really pissed as she said just simple annoyed and thought of proving a point by leaving in hopes town will follow what I said about those voting me but then was like, hey that is just dumb. Town never follows dead people.

Wow, I seriously can’t believe you’re doubting me here.

[Harley Quinn]

Fire you can help me Lynch Datisi and GL

*puppy eyes*

lim, you can’t say “lynch” anymore.

I think it could be Andante and if Fire wasn’t leaving, that’s probably where I’d vote.

[Harley Quinn]

I really don't think shiro+hq is anything but TvT

This might be a weird question, but would you think that if you knew for a fact my pair is T/T?

I think part of the reason my view of this game clashes with so many others is because I have the information on my alignment nobody else has

And how is that different from any other pair, except maybe Fire/Andante?

We all have information on our alignment nobody has.

[Harley Quinn]

The fact that now Shiro is doubting me makes me not want to be in this game anymore but I don’t want Norwee yelling at me because I did something stupid that cost us the game but I’m extremely upset about that.

[Harley Quinn]

I don’t think I have ever tried this hard in any game ever and I am just so extremely hurt by this. How anyone is doubting that this isn’t 100% my towngame just tears me up inside.

I never try this hard as scum and even if I could, I am simply not capable of replicating what I’ve done here as scum.

[Harley Quinn]

The fact that now Shiro is doubting me makes me not want to be in this game anymore but I don’t want Norwee yelling at me because I did something stupid that cost us the game but I’m extremely upset about that.

Don't make me feel bad D:

I already said I believe it was most likely a misunderstanding.

I’m really hurt. I don’t want to be in this game if I’m doubted. I’m actually crying now. Not trying to make you feel bad but I’m extremely upset.

[Harley Quinn]

I want them first because I trust fire to leave more than GL

I trust Andante more to be scum than Dats but what I don’t understand why he went from deathtunnelling me to suddenly tr me. Did you ever explain that, @Dats?

[Harley Quinn]

But yeah, I think if scum in gl/Dats, it’s Dats. I don’t think gl efforts this much as scum.

[Harley Quinn]

Shiro Dec 19, 09:26pm Dec 28, 12:57am 0 days 0 hours 196

I don't remember the last time I had this many posts.

So long as you don’t direct quote from our PT we’re good.

[Harley Quinn]

Okay. I'm caught up finally. I read your wall, Taly and it was great. I appreciate the work that went into it. I just need to process some thoughts. So I'm stepping away from this game right now.

<3

i don't want you to comment on anything, i was just ??? at you implying that i'm saying firebringer has been only shitposting this game

darling, if this was the first and only instance where i perceived it happening i wouldnt have commented.

*eyes half the plist*

do you want a hug a

datisi

? i think you can use one

pedit

uhhhh is that a question for me Taly? I see my name bolded

sure, i keep forgetting what your stances are this game, refresh my memory?

easy. dragon mafia

damn, we only have 1 scum left?

I’m eying YOU, where is my hug? I bet if I were IC, my reads would still be discredited but at least people who claim to know how to read me wouldn’t have me so low in their list and would also know I’m not an idiot and know how to read Shiro. Something that your #1 tr agrees with me about.

[Harley Quinn]

Andante and STD are never SvS here. I doubt that’s a shock to anyone but thought I’d state the obvious anyway, lol

[Harley Quinn]

STD, I do find it interesting that you sr me when everyone who was doubting us sr Shiro and now you tr Andante but sr Fire. I just don’t understand that, especially the Fire sr.

[Harley Quinn]

Andante and STD are never SvS here. I doubt that’s a shock to anyone but thought I’d state the obvious anyway, lol

okay im gonna be the stupid one to ask the question:
why?

Does this look like scum theatre to you? If so, please explain it to me then? Both Andante and STD want to lim the other pair. So you tell me your take on that.

[Harley Quinn]

Andante and STD are never SvS here. I doubt that’s a shock to anyone but thought I’d state the obvious anyway, lol

okay im gonna be the stupid one to ask the question:
why?

well first off, I'd have to be scum for us to both be scum...

id like to hear from harley but if u have more than that like to know that too

One scum is dead, you think that scum busses pre-intermission? Like sure it’s possible but I kind of doubt it.

[Harley Quinn]

Andante and STD are never SvS here. I doubt that’s a shock to anyone but thought I’d state the obvious anyway, lol

okay im gonna be the stupid one to ask the question:
why?

Does this look like scum theatre to you? If so, please explain it to me then? Both Andante and STD want to lim the other pair. So you tell me your take on that.

its called distancing?

It’s possible I guess but it probably means one scum would die in this scenario, which is two scum dead pre-intermission, so ballsy gambit if you’re right.

[Harley Quinn]

i haven't seen anything between andante and std that tells me there even needs to be scum theatre. These 2 have barely talked to each other all game.
What part of this is hard to fake from a "theatre" aspect. Yes they want to eliminate each other pair. And yet they have little interactions, and both are barely pushing other directly STD is pushing me not andante, and Andante while saying STD is scum is not interacting with him.

How can this not a be a S/S besides andante point that andante is town.

I hate to say this but Adante is making some really good points, sorry Titus.

[Harley Quinn]

VOTE: STD

I think he has a TMI on both Shiro and Andante.

[Harley Quinn]

(+5) Save the Dragons
Another player that I feel has just honestly vibed with me more than not, there is just very little that suggests their alignment either way. I think what I initially enjoyed about this slot is more so a playstyle in finding fun as often as scum because they're capable of actively quote-by-quote walling players and they've since just reinforced popular beliefs in the thread. I want to trust Titus' perception of this slot and out of all the pairs, I feel more comfortable with this pairing being able to discern what is scum, I just don't have as good a reason to townread this slot as I do with the majority of the playerlist.

I skipped Taly explanation of STD and the more i read this the more I think Titus and Taly are snowed.

He’s also sr town because it makes absolutely no sense that town STD lock tr Shiro and initially sr me. I initially tr that since people were pushing Shiro and his sr me would derail that wagon but if his objective was to endgame, he’d look great after we flip T-T. He also pocketed me in Squid game, so he could be taking a page from FL and tried to push me instead.

I’m extremely sad that LLD and Galron didn’t pair because he’s flaming obvtown here. Another thing Taly’s not seeing. And I’m grateful to Titus for helping me to see it.

[Harley Quinn]

Can we vote out dragons here or nah? like, I'm perfectly happy to ask him questions if he's around tonight

I townread

Titus

waaaay too strongly to consider eliminating that pair at the moment. :/

I’m not happy about Titus dying either but I unfortunately have to agree with Andante and your solution based on your solve is to kill what I now believe to one of two T - T pairings. Pairs weren’t ordered optimally. In an ideal world, Titus and Galron would be paired here but scum chose wisely which is why this day has dragged out for as long as it had.

[Harley Quinn]

please send me links of everything i am not seeing

harley

Explain to me why anyone but Titus or me would locktown Shiro here initially? Both Titus and me know how to read him but why would STD be so extremely confident on town!Shiro when no one initially other than Titus and me were?

And does the sr on Fire and tr on Andante make sense to you either?

Logically you either read that pair either Fire!town Andante!scum or T -T. It’s the same with me/Shiro. Now things are different of course but until now, it made logical sense to either tr me and sr Shiro or tr both of us but he’s got that flipped but still has both our pairs as pushable.

Based on VC I may be wrong again because Dats is voting STD and gl is still on me/Shiro but we’ll know more after flip.

I honestly wish I sr Shiro here because then I could leave and not have to deal with either bad reads on me or Shiro but I think STD!scum locktowns both our pairings. That is me/Shiro, Fire/Andante, the two slots you have one of each pairings in red.

Idk maybe you being IC really does affect your reads somewhat. Idk.

[Harley Quinn]

Save the Dragons has left in the Intermission

He was aligned with the

Town

Titus has left in the Intermission

She was aligned with the

Town

VOTE: gl

Your eleventh hour push on me screamed tmi to me. You knew STD was flipping town and that’s why you called for that fake “justice” wagon. You probably would have been a lot more convincing post flip.

[Harley Quinn]

anyone pretending STD/Titus is a better or more informative flip than Shiro/HQ is wildin

Titus is universally townread, was proposed to by scum, LLD's reaction to it seemed genuinely uniformed, and she's likely townspewed by scum TMI'ing. whereas neither Shiro or HQ should have that level of townread associated with them

There's almost certainly scum in Andante/HQ/RH9 voting STD like that methinks

But you weren’t voting Andante, were you?

The only question now is why wasn’t it Taly/Ydra?

[Harley Quinn]

there are way too many players in this game that both believe they are in a TvT pair and that they should endgame

if this was in any way directed at me, I already don't believe I should endgame and virtually never have. Datisi can confirm this from our PT. If Andante flips scum people are going to push me as a partner so the only way I endgame is if we hit like a HQ/Shiro S-S pair or something

this is exclusively directed at my townreads

I don't feel we lim a single scum if I die. So I'm not leaving.

Too much time has been wasted going after people and digging in heels when the game was over by like post 1000.

Let's just sheep me until I'm wrong which won't happen.

[Harley Quinn]

Is andante doing a performance because i said the interactions between andante and std were non existent?
This interactions feel a bit weird and it feels weird on both sides.

I legit think the scumteam is just Andante + GuiltyLion + Save the Dragons

So close. Drop StD for Ydrasse.

I'll help you with the other two.

[Harley Quinn]

Harley my scumgame is a lot better than you think it is

I never play yesterday like I did if I know Andante has a chance of flipping scum

I was townreading Titus/STD pair all day look it up

Also way to ignore Fires giant town case on me

I don't think I should endgame because you'll vote me in LIMLO but you're wasting your breath here

You jumping on me - when other players were voting STD and calling it a “justice” wagon, screams informed to me and Fire also disagreed with me that Andante and STD were SvS.

Shiro still thinks Dats/Ydra and Ydra doesn’t look great from this flip either.

[Harley Quinn]

Harley my scumgame is a lot better than you think it is

I never play yesterday like I did if I know Andante has a chance of flipping scum

I was townreading Titus/STD pair all day look it up

Also way to ignore Fires giant town case on me

I don't think I should endgame because you'll vote me in LIMLO but you're wasting your breath here

You jumping on me - when other players were voting STD and calling it a “justice” wagon, screams informed to me and Fire also disagreed with me that Andante and STD were SvS.

Shiro still thinks Dats/Ydra and Ydra doesn’t look great from this flip either.

WEREN’T

[Harley Quinn]

Well, my pet theory is that the IC almost always dies if they're partnered with town.

Taly should give his thoughts on Ydrasse, of course, but I don't feel like that pair should be endgaming.

Yeah, I tend to agree, especially since STD wasn’t being tr, so it’s not like any pair was a consensus tr. If that were the case, it would be a lot less suspicious.

I asked Shiro who would you think is scum if Taly/Ydra are the nk and he said maybe RH9 but that obviously didn’t happen.

So two scum left and even if Ydra was one, there’s still one more in the remaining pairs.

UNVOTE:

I’m not scum and I think it’s pretty damned obvious Shiro isn’t either nor Alyssa because both were voting Andante.

[Harley Quinn]

I've got my theory as to who the third is but I'm like 95% sure it's GL Adante Ydrasse.

gl, tell me why I shouldn’t revote you?

[Harley Quinn]

I think Alyssa is very town for that Andante push unless her partner is exactly RH9 and a hard bus was her best chance at endgaming. And even then I dunno if she really needs to do that at this stage

But I think RH9 is absolutely POE and so he would need to go by then anyways. I am still thinking marci saying she enjoyed RH9s posts doesn't make any sense if RH9 is town because he'd be such a low priority slot to play around. I need to check his associatives with Andante, I didn't read much over the night

That is a good point and he went out of his way to link that game where Noraa apparently did that wifom thing.

Titus hard tr Galron and SS doesn’t feel scummy. Idk but If we hit another scumwagon we’ll get a pretty good idea based on votes.

I don’t believe there’s any double scum wagons and Alyssa’s my strongest tr other than of course the IC. Shiro was extremely confident on Ydra being scum.

[Harley Quinn]

I agree with alyssa rh9 as endgame pair

I did find this post which was a lil odd at the time and certainly suspicious now

Yeah it is.

[Harley Quinn]

VoteCount 1.10

Firebringer - Andante [0]
Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Save the Dragons - Titus [0] -
Marcistar - Not_Mafia [7] - Save The Dragons, Alyssa the Lamb, Datisi, GuiltyLion, Ydrasse, Taly, Not_Mafia
Datisi - GuiltyLion [1] - Titus
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [0] -
Shiro - Harley Quinn [2] - Andante, Firebringer
Galron - Something_Smart [0] -

Not Voting [6]

- RH9, Marcistar, Shiro, Galron, Something_Smart. Harley Quinn

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to execute

.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-12-28 20:00:00)

So we know one scum offwagon. It’s extremely likely at least one scum was and I don’t believe that’s Alyssa, so if gl is telling the truth here, then it would have to be Ydrasse and then the remaining scum off.

[Harley Quinn]

I'm fine with taking Shiro/HQ and Galron/S_S off the table for now. I think my preferred endgame pair would be S_S/Galron but it's not ironclad. If Datisi/I are in LIMLO we probably lose this game so at some point we'll have to be limmed I think, but I'd love if we could get RH9 first

one other point I thought of in my self-defense, maybe this is a weird take but I think I'd actually have an easier time arguing against my elimination (if I were scum and needed to survive) if Titus were alive. I could argue with her and find the points in which she's wrong and make people doubt whereas with her dead it's just crystallized forever that she thinks I'm scum

His reactions to you were pretty over the top. Again it sucks because we have to lose Alyssa but my solve rn is RH9/Ydra.

It just seems a bit too obvious if it’s you but eh.

[Harley Quinn]

Oh, great!

Why did I give advice to scum, again?

Galron, care to explain 6017.

You believed that a Titus or GL flip 'solves this game'. Titus has flipped Town, what do you think?

Why no reaction to the IC’d couple not dying over Titus/STD despite STD still being sr?

[Harley Quinn]

why are u guys all so pressed abt norwee just wanting to read up before doing anything, its not that scummy and u guys just hate him cuz its whats ez

This cannot be further from

my

reason for suspecting him.

But who do you think are taking the easiest route in pushing

Norwe

?

guiltylions and datisi

are you partners

yah

[Harley Quinn]

hmm actually RH9 doesn't feel like an Andante partner to me, they have some interactions that are making me doubt, I'll pull them up in a sec. I guess with a day talk PT I shouldn't put a ton of stock into it but on first blush this is better than I was expecting

Well who is then? I don’t see why scum!Shiro ever kills Titus here, since keeping them alive is his best chance to endgame and no clear consensus T - T pair makes Ydra not look great.

[Harley Quinn]

I was reading Andante jumping on me about Galron a tmi tr but what if he’s her buddy?

But why would Galron kill Titus? Killing us makes way more sense.

[Harley Quinn]

Idk then, that just leaves me with Ydrasse.

[Harley Quinn]

I don’t think I want to vote RH9 or gl now.

[Harley Quinn]

My general take for some time now has been 1 of {guilty lion, titus, alyssa} plus 2 of {everyone else}

I stand by my statement 3000 posts ago that a titus or gl flip solves this game.

So what’s your solve then based on this?

[Harley Quinn]

What can I do to help you here Taly? I think you're doing a great job!! You're in a position I'd never want, so if you need to just step away for a few hours, do that. You got this!!!

lol

[Harley Quinn]

What can I do to help you here Taly? I think you're doing a great job!! You're in a position I'd never want, so if you need to just step away for a few hours, do that. You got this!!!

lol

Btw Taly, I’m extremely sorry that I hurt you with my IC comments. I was extremely frustrated at not being listened to and then after I said I was crying you offered Dats a hug but not me. I still regret it. This game is so painful for me I was practically praying me and Shiro get nk’d but scum clearly wants me to suffer, so I’m still in this game. :/

[Harley Quinn]

The fact that now Shiro is doubting me makes me not want to be in this game anymore but I don’t want Norwee yelling at me because I did something stupid that cost us the game but I’m extremely upset about that.

Don't make me feel bad D:

I already said I believe it was most likely a misunderstanding.

I’m really hurt. I don’t want to be in this game if I’m doubted. I’m actually crying now. Not trying to make you feel bad but I’m extremely upset.

Noooo Harley!!! I actually love being in this game with you!! no crying!!! just ignore whoever. who am I fighting on your behalf?

lmao scum trying to comfort me after trying to vote me out first dance. However, a certain puppy could still take lessons.

[Harley Quinn]

Awww RH9 <3

Yeah all is good, I've just gotten crazy busy with IRL stuff right now before the holidays.

I see Norwee is leaving us, didn't read much before that yet, if people have narrowed down the people we're looking at, I'll look through them, otherwise I probably won't have a chance to sit down and think about stuff till tomorrow. I can also guarantee you I won't find all 4 scum right now in the 4000 posts and million replacements, probably gonna end up sheeping Fire here/voting who he wants to vote

This is nia. Andante is just a really sweet person, so I actually think her kind response to me was partially on the level.

[Harley Quinn]

Andante was pretty good at scum in Happy Face.

[Harley Quinn]

I want to hear what

Norwe

was like in your PT,

Marci

. How big was it? What did y'all talk about?

its still on page 2 so not that big, but to me it seemed reasonable considering we have like an 8 or 9 hr difference i forgot which lol

Spoiler:

we talked abt how useless/useful looking into malakittens would be,
paranoia about andante & her meta (took awhile)
i asked if he thought andante / firebringer could both be scum
he told me his read on firebringer
talked more about andante
he asked my take on somethingsmart / galron
i explained what i thought, i asked if his read on harley quinn was an actual thing
he said his read on harley quinn is real
<<the datisi losing activity thing i talked abt earlier today is here>>
he mentioned his read on me based off of the wagons on us
he told me he didnt think we would live long
he said he thought catboi was townie
(at this point he wasnt responding anymore) i talked about what i thought about datisi earlier today

@marci, at what point did you start thinking Prism/Norwee slot was town?

also, who would you say is picking people off of playstyle things? I don't like the last bit of the post without you offering any specific names and players you are thinking are more suspicious than Norway

1. i dont know exactly when, but it was around the time i started mentioning how decent he is here
2. literally anyone attacking norwee for how hes been acting is picking him off based off of playstyle :/

my issue with it is I can't really decipher whether it's more likely that it's a town mindset or scum mindset that creates that post considering my issues with it

whats ur issues with it?

also, who was "drowning the chat"? This feels like a weird characterization around the narrative around Cabd - like yeah, it came up a bunch of times and a lot of people wanted Smart limmed as soon as he replaced in, but there was still a lot of other discussion going on around the time too

maybe it was weird wording, but the same point over and over is drowning it into the chat imo

Oh really? I viewed it as Marci tr Norwee because her post sounded like she had conviction in that read. I do wonder why she didn’t pair with Angie however because I think that’s probably one if not the main reasons she likey signed up for this, based off how badly she wanted to play with Marci.

@Marci did you sr Angie? Is that why you didn’t pair with her?

didnt really have a read on her,
i wanted her to get a bit more active in chat and get a diff pair if she could, the people who know me and lily well know how hard we buddy so i sorta wanted to push her out of the comfort zone if i could.

This post is interesting. If it actually is Dats/Ydra like Shiro thinks, he’s getting a scummie nom from me.

[Harley Quinn]

Prism wasn't the most townie by the end of it all, but that's because everybody else drowned her out. Posts like (140, 278, 289, 354) give amazing reads on the gamestate. Wasn't Prism the first person to point out how horrible Cabds read on Catboi was..? You know, the one yall drowned the chat with

forever

? As well, posts like (214, 258, 829) show off her willingness to be a sacrifice/die. That doesn't benefit scum at all, since this game is always changing, if she was scum, how would she be confident her scum teammates and their dance partners would make it long enough to endgame..? That wouldn't be a guarantee, so why is she offering herself up like this if shes scum?

Norwegianboyee literally said in 1139 "So i won’t accept anything until i know what i’m doing." but people such as Datisi, Firebringer, Guiltylion and probably more have brought this up as a point against him. But literally before Taly even proposed Norwee laid out what he was gonna do???? Thats such an easy and bs thing to push for an elim, that it cant help but make me think people are capitalizing on it. Hes also done some good questions/reads such as (1167, 1240, 1334, 1761, 2517). 1170 also makes quite alot of sense considering what he told me in the private thread, and I don't think he would fake that considering ?? i can just check ?? not that hard LMAO. He has more good posts that I could go on quoting, but thats a bit redundant. His attitude has been something that really stood out to some people, but thats just normal Norwee. I know based on his personality and general playstyle hes a pretty easy miselim (my very first game with him, he was the d1 miselim and scum wasn't even

on

his wagon) and that's something people may capitlize on

if hes town here.

Also everything he's promised me in our private thread, hes done.. his thoughts line up perfectly, that it really just seems too hard for scum to fake.

Not_mafia is not mafia clearly.

Spoiler:

felt the need to do this since i was doing paragraphs on each era of the slot and didn't want him to feel left out

I really feel like we shouldn't be aiming to get people out just based off of playstyle, instead I think we should be doing whos the most sus. Picking off people based off of playstyle things, when their slot hasn't really been all that sus is ?? and only helps scum.

Is Dats spewed town with this or scum theatre?

I am so lost rn.

[Harley Quinn]

RH9, please don't take offense, but is the data in your profile correct?

Yes, why?

It was important to me to verify that.

thats a townie thought if ive ever seen one

Seriously dafuq? lol

This is the most bizarre reason ever for a tr. lololol. Norwee can never ever again criticize anyone for being pocketed.

[Harley Quinn]

RH9, please don't take offense, but is the data in your profile correct?

Yes, why?

It was important to me to verify that.

thats a townie thought if ive ever seen one

Seriously dafuq? lol

This is the most bizarre reason ever for a tr. lololol. Norwee can never ever again criticize anyone for being pocketed.

So do both scum hard tr the same player if town? Unless they’re already of course off the charts townie like Titus, I mean.

Scum is playing really well whoever they are.

[Harley Quinn]

Spoiler:

I woke up with 3 hr of sleep, a rumble stomach, feeling feverish, and I'm not dead after trying the best I ever have to get NKed.

The theme remains: if want to die in a game, I don't, if I do, it's on N1 and in a game I tried to be scummy to avoid the NK.

Alignments aside, I think a contributing reason is that I'm functionally more reactive, opportunistic, reckless, and emotional as the game progresses and i find I've either misread someone deeply or pivoted from s good read. I don't work optimally with a lot of background noise.

If I'm not going to leave in the next 24 hr, I'd like town to keep this in mind .

I will say, I think the likelihood I'm pocketed by

Ydra

is real but I've townread her through most of First Dance. I don't know why scum wants to pair with me because I'm never endgaming.

Andante

and

Norwe/Marci

were popular scumreads even in Predance so

Ydra

scum signals to me of a deeper wolf too. But that's just spec. I have notes of ny

Ydra

read and will convey soon. I'm cautious.

Hq

I did not see you crying really I don't think it's healthy to play mafia when you feel that way. But as for the comment, I got over it before the morning after. I hope you're OK and I am sorry too. Plus it wasn't just you, it was also the shit push on

Titus/StD

the last minute of the day phase when they were my STRONGEST townpair.

Like, I was close to rage quitting over that wagon. I was very content with

Fire's

vote and almost then every vote after hat just tilted me.

I was absolutely correct about

Titus/Dragons

after all. So I have 2 schools of thought here:

1)

Scum tried to get the hardest lim the moment and when it didn't happen they NKed the slot knowing it had my protection and to WIFOM my pair.

2)

Wagon actually has no living scum snd the NK was meant to incriminate townies.

Shiro

is a weaker scumread. I think their rebuttal of the

Titus/Dragons

wagon containjng scum would be informed but that's very disingenuous of me to push or encourage pushing on that basis because I thought the exact same at that moment.

GL

rose a little in my reads. It's bizarre because they weren't on the

Titus/StD

so I both think they could be a potential mislim for the fight and for double backing.

Fire

gave a decent case there.

Aly/RH9

fell slightly.

Tbh I've been 100% accuracy at the time of flips minus

Norwe/Marci

alignment swap, so I don't have a reason to reconsider unless scum are already snowing me.

Kind of not optimal timing as I have brain fog and the hypnagogic/hympnopompic sleep hallucinations are REALLY showing themselves this early at 3-4 AM.

Taly, I’m not psychic and therefore can’t predict how any specific game will emotionally affect me but it’s 100% things happening in this game. Even Fire trying to get in yet another shot attacking me for our misunderstanding caused me to meltdown again but I’m really glad that got cleared up. Not being able to adress any of that because the thread got locked made it so much worse. It’s not like I cry in every game I’m in. When my best friend died, this was probably good advice but it doesn’t apply to game specific things that I didn’t feel I was able to adequately defend myself against. I may or may not expand upon this post game but I really did not feel I deserved any of it from Fire.

[Harley Quinn]

Shiro was extremely confident on Ydra being scum.

has it been explained why shiro thought ydra is scum? if not, i think that has to be heard

I agree, he needs to explain it but it ultimately comes down to PoE. There’s two scum left. I know I’m not one of them, so who are they? Not all of you can be town, because we know two of you obviously are not and I think both scum are in two different pairings. I think that’s pretty self-evident based on vc votes that pairings didn’t vote together.

[Harley Quinn]

taly - ydra
datisi - gl
galron - s_s
shiro - harley
rh9 - alyssa

two scum above. hm. if i am not utterly blundering my gl and ydra reads (which it is very possible i am, but hey what can you do), i would guess my poe is shiro/rh9? that feels way too easy. i guess an additional thing to consider is what galron comes up with for his "this game is solved if titus flips" idea. i'd probably want to wait for that to decide if i wanna try yoloing the galron/s_s pair or go literally any other, saner route

Andante had been trying to kill our pairing all game. How are you even getting that?

[Harley Quinn]

I mean hate to say I told you so but I told you so

You mean Taly/Ydra not dying?

[Harley Quinn]

so during day 1, i was really feeling how ydra is town. because pairing with the ic when you're scum makes very little sense. but IF scum were to end up being paired with the ic, they would know they're p much a dead man walking and from what i've seen from scum who's got an expiration date like that, they play recklessly and brute-force as many town misyeets as they can. and ydrasse... talked about sushi? let two of her partners get yeeted?

but to be fair, i was gonna enter this day with "std was distancing from andante!!1!2!" so like maybe i should shut up lmao

In an ydra scum world, what is her partner most likely doing rn?

And what is scum doing if she is town?

Trying to make it seem like it's not her, kind of like what Datisi is doing a above this post you.

Well he’s not addressing the fact that there was no consensus tr T - T couple and Titus/STD kill implicates both your pairings except I think gl is town. He seems to be really reevaluating and reacessing. Dats just comes in defending Ydra. Why isn’t he even slightly suspicious that the partner of the IC couple lived over a slot - STD - that people were still suspicious of?

Also Dats, tell me why Shiro ever kills Titus here? Scum either of us needs her alive with still existing suspicion on STD to endgame, so you pushing Shiro as scum reads like a bad take at the very least.

[Harley Quinn]

Andante had been trying to kill our pairing all game. How are you even getting that?

oh, she was. i didn't remember that at all, all i remembered of her was "haha i'm gonna sheep fire!!" so maybe i could relook at those associates. but probably not.

Yeah, I need to look it up be she jumped on us when we were in serious jeopardy of getting wagoned. She kept saying “Harley scum” numerous times. Do you think that’s how scum treats the lover partner of a buddy?

[Harley Quinn]

Also Dats, tell me why Shiro ever kills Titus here? Scum either of us needs her alive with still existing suspicion on STD to endgame, so you pushing Shiro as scum reads like a bad take at the very least.

still existing suspicion on std? lol, where? wasn't it a widespread thing that std/andante are never s/s?

if both scum are in a s/t dance pair, scum loses if town manages to identify at least one t/t pait. titus/std were townread by pretty much everyone, no? i'd say that's a much bigger thread for endgaming than anything else

No, it was my opinion but Fire was convinced they were buddies, so logical conclusion is that that they died because scum was terrified of Titus. I just think she was wrong about gl.

I find it extremely weird that you’re not even remotely suspicious that Titus/STD died over Taly/Ydra. Everyone else has expressed at least some slight suspicion over this.

[Harley Quinn]

VoteCount 1.1

Firebringer - Andante [0] -
Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Save the Dragons - Titus [0] -
Marcistar - NorwegianBoyEE [3] - RH9, Save The Dragons, Alyssa the Lamb
Datisi - GuiltyLion [0] -
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [0] -
Shiro - Harley Quinn [1] - Datisi
Galron - Something_Smart [0] -

Not Voting [12]

- Firebringer, Andante, Taly, Ydrasse, Titus, Marcistar, NorwegianBoyEE, GuiltyLion, Shiro, Harley Quinn, Galron, Something_Smart

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to execute

.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-12-28 20:00:00)

VoteCount 1.2

Firebringer - Andante [2] - Titus, Harley Quinn
Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Save the Dragons - Titus [0] -
Marcistar - NorwegianBoyEE [2] - Save The Dragons, Alyssa the Lamb
Datisi - GuiltyLion [0] -
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [0] -
Shiro - Harley Quinn [2] - Datisi, Andante
Galron - Something_Smart [0] -

Not Voting [10]

- RH9, Firebringer, Taly, Ydrasse, Marcistar, NorwegianBoyEE, GuiltyLion, Shiro, Galron, Something_Smart

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to execute

.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-12-28 20:00:00)

VoteCount 1.4

Firebringer - Andante [1] - Titus
Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Save the Dragons - Titus [0] -
Marcistar - NorwegianBoyEE [2] - Save The Dragons, Alyssa the Lamb
Datisi - GuiltyLion [0] -
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [0] -
Shiro - Harley Quinn [3] - Datisi, Andante, Firebringer,
Galron - Something_Smart [2] - NorwegianBoyEE. Harley Quinn

Not Voting [8]

- RH9, Taly, Ydrasse, Marcistar, GuiltyLion, Shiro, Galron, Something_Smart

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to execute

.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-12-28 20:00:00)

I should probably look up Jingle too but Ydra and Taly both voted us and Abdante never unvoted us until I think she voted STD, so that’s like 5 votes on us. So Andante was apparently fine putting us in danger.

I’m confident that even if there don’t exist completed CCs, I can ISO Taly and Ydrasse to confirm this. That’s five and if gl also was on isn that could be six. I’m very sure I’m not wrong that Andante was perfectly fine yeeting our pairing prior to Marci flip and even after that, she continued to call me scum until she hyper focused on STD.

[Harley Quinn]

I find it extremely weird that you’re not even remotely suspicious that Titus/STD died over Taly/Ydra. Everyone else has expressed at least some slight suspicion over this.

why should i be? i know that absolutely nothing that i say is gonna make people change their mind, and that the ic pair is going to die soon. my personal hunch is that scum decided to keep the ic pair alive because they thought they have better chances of making the ic pair paranoia-leave than they have getting titus to flip. and considering the ic pair is probably flipping soon, i am going to be either proven right or proven wrong.

do i think there's a chance that ydra is scum here? yes, definitely. am i gonna be losing sleep over that when i know she's gonna flip soon? no, i'm not going to.

like, when i play this game, i keep in mind what i should be looking at to improve the gamestate, and what it would be a waste of time to be doing. and right now, banging my head against the wall and wondering if ydra is scum or town is a complete time waster, as she's flipping soon. i'm gonna say my opinion on the matter, i don't care how i'll look because frankly i don't think our pair is endgaming like ever, and i'm gonna chill and wait for the flips to either prove me right or wrong.

Well from what I’ve been reading the consensus seems to be to first find scum elsewhere. Problem is that we should yeet whomever pair is the most likely to have scum. We have plenty of time, so everyone can weigh in but the fact remains that STD was not a consensus tr and died over the IC + Ydra, so it’s hard to believe that scum didn’t want to silence Tirus. So you trying to push Shiro doesn’t make a lot of sense here. If either me or Shiro is scum and Ydra!town, why wouldn’t we keep Titus alive since STD would still be pushable and she locktowned both of us?

[Harley Quinn]

zzz okay

if i'm wrong on ydra and she flips red, shiro's the partner

i'm gonna turn my brain off for this game now, let me know if i am needed anywhere

So you tell me then why Shiro has been pushing her really hard in our PT then? Does scum generally hyper shade their buddy to their dance partner or try to do the exact opposite of that? I know that’s not what I idid in my PT with Gamma in Gay Dance. I was either trying to distract him but mostly just agreed with his incorrect reads.

[Harley Quinn]

But shotgun thought, I think I'm wrong on somebody in the Galron/SS pairing.

It’s possible. Andante jumped on both me and Titus for expressing any suspicion on Galron but was that because he’s a buddy or tmi tr or maybe it’s SS who’s the partner but idk. I’m not crazy about Dat’s reaction to the flips.

I’m just very suspicious of Shiro being anyone’s #1 suspect atp because based on my interactions with Andante - who was both voting me and stayed on even after 5 - 6 votes on us, is mind blowing.

[Harley Quinn]

I confused Harley with Titus!!!! I SR Dragons and Harley!!! Harley had the Galron comments I didn't like!! So in my past 10 posts, where I go (might not be titus) yeah no it's not, I SR harley

I confused Harley with Titus!!!! I SR Dragons and Harley!!! Harley had the Galron comments I didn't like!! So in my past 10 posts, where I go (might not be titus) yeah no it's not, I SR harley

Which posts did you not like in particular?

The ones I interacted with? I mean, I literally just looked at my ISO to remember who it was that felt like they were trying to show Galron in a bad light for saying he wanted to be with someone he wanted to endgame, like, I see nothing wrong with that. If you want to endgame, and you say so... what makes that scummy?? felt like Harley was just trying to be all "hey yall.. give galron attention... galron scummy" idk, felt like a weird thing to go at from harley

And that’s just the recent posts of her sr me.

[Harley Quinn]

Andante is my

only

scumread

I have a lot of confident townreads

lol wow... so much effort went into that read. I feel honored to be the only one

what are your reads on every slot

Why do you care about my reads? I'm scum, so my reads don't matter. not like you'd genuinely care about them

Alyssa town, not that should actually be a shock to anyone.

[Harley Quinn]

I mentioned at some point before that I thought all these townreads on me was particularly bizarre, since while I do think I was out of my scumrange by the end of predance, it was in a way that I don't think anyone here is able to accurately judge.

Sorry to inform you, but I don't play off meta, and I literally TR people who are expressing similar thoughts/emotions to me. I don't even know what your scumrange is or whatnot, so I'm not even gonna try and adress any of this, if me being scum changes all your reads, I'd be really concerned about that, like, if I had reads that completely changed after a wrong flip??? Those aren't even good reads to begin with, so like, I'm starting to even question if you're town now, cause you're basically going "we need to flip andante to see if my reads change!!" so then I flip green, and you go "ok, guess my reads are right. Listen to Andante!!! She TRed me!!!" Something is feeling off

More evidence of Alyssa town. lol

[Harley Quinn]

and no, I don't tr norwee, the IC stuff was odd, I don't see it coming from town

Marci was bussed, knew it! just not by Andante.

[Harley Quinn]

As resident IC I place

Fire

and

Harley

in separate rooms as this dialogue is not productive.

I have legit felt as if he didn’t want me in this game before I even made a single post and he has done nothing to convince me I have been wrong about that.

Just don't interact with fire then? Yall will probably both enjoy the game more

He’s trying to get me miselimed, so I don’t think that’s realistic?

I mean, I've been suspecting you, but if anyone goes "I think Harley is scum" you just lose it and the thread goes south, so I've been here like, do I just vote you or try and discuss my concerns, cause I'm not trying to blow up this thread or anything, but between angie and you, I don't think that slot is town. At least Fire is actually voicing thoughts. I'm here not sayingmy thoughts like I normally would cause I'm not trying to blow up this thread.

Does scum!Andante make this post if Shiro is his buddy?

[Harley Quinn]

yolo I'm doing it.
VOTE: Harley

I'm about 90% sure this slot is not town

Is anyone seriously going to argue that this is the way scum treats a buddy or more specifically the dance partner of one?

[Harley Quinn]

yolo I'm doing it.
VOTE: Harley

I'm about 90% sure this slot is not town

why

lololol Marci - good cop to Andante, bad cop.

[Harley Quinn]

Fire i’m sorry you paired up with scum.

seriously? my post of "I'm trying to get back into this" you go "ew. fire, I'm so sorry your partner is scum"

ah yes. The slot I've been tunneling all game finally posted again recently, time to just go "ew. scum post." like what's your goal here? Fire said we're not endgaming since before I partnered with him, I genuinely don't care when he wants to leave, I'd leave now but I wanna take to story further, I'm here to have fun and I freaking said that since post 1 this game. I'm so over people this game, and multiple comments that have been made. if you sr me, ok cool no problem.
there's no freaking reason to say "ew" to one of my posts.

Hmmm, scum bussed to silence Norwee.

[Harley Quinn]

I wish we could yeet Ydrass but we can't till tommorow

I'm down to do that today!
VOTE: Taly/Ydrasse

fake vote obviously

[Harley Quinn]

who should be the next to eat the yeet

I've already wanted to follow Taly since this is probably his last chance to do something, and everything that's happened so far has only made me want to do that more. So don't ask me, ask him, I guess.

taly is voting harley and shiro, you're not. doesn't look like following to me

Andante trying to get us killed.

[Harley Quinn]

Everybody, rank each pair (except mine - calling IC privilege) on how likely you believe scum resides in them.

Town
Firebringer + Andante - Fireis town
Galron + Something_Smart - no reads on either, so by poe they're here
RH9 + Alyssa The Lamb - Alyssa I TR, RH9 is mehhh
Datisi + Guiltylion - Datisi scum lean
Marcistar + NorwegianboyEE - Norwee scum
Save The Dragons + Titus - Titus and Dragons are SRs

Shiro + Harley Quinn - Harley scum

Scum

When does scum ever put their buddy in last place. I think we’re both spewed town by this, right below the nk.

[Harley Quinn]

There is high odds that there is scum in RH9 and Ydrasse

Which is why I don't want to kill either pairing atm

Either I was right before and it was GuiltyLion
Or I'm right now and it's Galron

I think this strategy always wins town the game

there's high odds that there's scum in rh9 and ydrasse, so you don't wanna kill either?

For once I have to agree with Dats on this. Alyssa, if your strongest srs are not Galron, then why are you voting him?

[Harley Quinn]

So where I’m at, if there’s 0 scum in Gl, Dats, Ydra, then Titus/STD kill makes no sense. I do have some paranoia on SS for still thinking Shiro could be scum after both Andante/Titus flips. He also said he wanted Fire/Andante to be endgame couple and when I pointed out that I had never in my entire history of playing mafia, ever heard scum talk to a buddy the way Marci talked about cb, he called that “circular reasoning”. And while I failed to trust my instincts about Marci calling trs on Andante “icky” that sounded to me like a tmi buddy read, I was right about that, so why is SS so resistant to tr Shiro? He’s a very logical thinker and he should realize that neither Andante trying to kill us here nor does Shiro killing Titus here, make an iota of sense it make an iota of sense. In Pokemon scum! argued that Milo killed Mastina who was sussing Pooky > confitown!Cakez who was uberpocketed by him, as a wifom kill. Scum doesn’t try to make things unnecessarily difficult for themselves and I would expect SS to be on the same page with that, so while some of RH9’s posting has albeit been strange, he has never shaded either me/Shiro and we’re still here, so I have little interest in voting them out anytime soon. And I think Alyssa is probably going to solve this game.

In micro. SS’ takes in that game were always logical if not necessarily correct. He wrongly sr bleeding obvtown!Pooky for example but his reasoning for that still made complete sense, so if he’s town, I really find this to be extremely baffling. If there’s scum in that pairing, I’d lean SS > Galron. It’s also much much easier for Andante to convincingly defend Galron like she did if SS were the scum in that pairing. So definitely have some paranoia on SS for those questionable takes.

My current working theory is that game ends before an f4 with me/Shiro, Alyssa/RH9 but obviously could still be wrong on that. RH9!scum is still a possibility. I just wonder why RH9!scum would kill Titus > us when he seemed to obvtown read us and could push STD. It’s pretty clear from Titus’ ISO that she would have likely left before me/Shiro, unless either SS or RH9 thought Alyssa might still push Shiro after STD flip? I guess anything’s possible. I would just have expected town!SS to not still be sr Shiro after those flips.

Anyway, my current solve is Ydra + one of Dats/gl or if game doesn’t end, SS. It’s still possible that it scum liked Taly’s reads but it’s hard to imagine scum doesn’t kill Taly if Ydra!town. Outside chance of RH9 but I don’t think so. Maybe because he was getting jumped on by the same slots as us.

I also really don’t read too much in Andante wanting Alyssa/RH9 to endgame because I think scum likely knew Andante was never endgaming here because of Fire leaving his dance partners’ meta.

[Harley Quinn]

VOTE: guilty lion/datisi

Just keep ignoring everything I’ve been saying gl. lol

[Harley Quinn]

what did I ignore that you wanted me to respond to?

I already explained that Andante was trying to kill me and how it makes absolutely no sense for Shiro to have killed Titus and I agree with Alyssa, Galron seems very obviously town to me. I still have some suspicion on SS but both datisi’s and your posts have pinged me the most today.

@RH9, not 100% locking inanything in yet but as I said if 0 scum in gl/dats/Ydra, something isn’t adding up with Titus nk because gl/Ydra were both in her PoE and of course Andante.

[Harley Quinn]

if Ydra/Datisi both flip town I think HQ/Shiro has to go next

Alyssa, RH9, S_S, Galron - agree or disagree?

lololol, Andante was very clearly trying to hardbus one of me/Shiro.

Yep, makes total sense.

[Harley Quinn]

if Ydra/Datisi both flip town I think HQ/Shiro has to go next

Alyssa, RH9, S_S, Galron - agree or disagree?

if everyone's on board with this I probably don't have much else I really want to discuss today

because if Ydra/Datisi DOES have scum then my reads are just way off and I'm not going to be as useful as you all once you have that info

and if they don't then I just want to repeatedly emphasize that HQ/Shiro has to go first and has best odds of scum in it, and I will probably start incessantly quoting this post for the rest of the day if I get a bunch of HQ spam. but I trust S_S and Alyssa to take it seriously

Because Andante likes to presumably murder her buddies? Whzt do I win?

[Harley Quinn]

If gl actually flips town here, I will legit be gobsmacked.

[Harley Quinn]

gl, I’m just having an extremely difficult time believing that town ignores the fact that Andante was working overtime to run us up. You can’t say that for any other pairing, yet you’re still pushing our pairing. I just don’t believe this take comes from town, sorry.

[Harley Quinn]

This does seem like an odd progression from HQ.

What’s even remotely “odd” about it? At the start of the day, his takes seemed townie but his most recent posts are off the charts scummy.

[Harley Quinn]

If gl does flip scum like I now think he will, it’s making me less confident ok Ydra but I could also see it as just straight up wifom.

I’m actually feeling better about SS now and a bit worried about RH9 but it’s more likely than not probably just gl/Ydra but I’m going to reserve judgment until she posts. I think I’ll be able to tell if my solve was right or not based on that.

[Harley Quinn]

This does seem like an odd progression from HQ.

What’s even remotely “odd” about it? At the start of the day, his takes seemed townie but his most recent posts are off the charts scummy.

Because GL hasn't said anything 'off the charts scummy'. Maybe a bit but not enough to be gobsmacked by him flipping Town. OK, maybe this is because he is wrong about Shiro/you but wrong ≠ 'off the charts scummy'. Maybe, GL ignoring you upset you. But town!GL can do the exact same thing. It's NAI.

Yes it is because he’s ignoring Andante trying to run me up. And how Titus nk makes 0 sense if either of us are scum, so he’s still trying to push us despite both flips not maling sense if we’re scum, so yes it definitely is offvthe charts scummy.

And you calling my reaction to gl’s scummy af post “odd” is making me paranoid on you now.

Tin foil: Could it br gl/RH9?

[Harley Quinn]

if Harley was actually confident that I was scum, she wouldn't need to argue with me at all here, it's somewhat obvious Datisi and I get limmed in most universes today

it's hard for me not to see this instead as preemptively trying to discredit me so that my words advocating for Shiro/HQ pair to be flipped will hold less power and get buried under her spam

You’re currently my best guess at flipping scim, so you at least got that much right.

[Harley Quinn]

if Ydra/Datisi both flip town I think HQ/Shiro has to go next

Alyssa, RH9, S_S, Galron - agree or disagree?

if everyone's on board with this I probably don't have much else I really want to discuss today

because if Ydra/Datisi DOES have scum then my reads are just way off and I'm not going to be as useful as you all once you have that info

and if they don't then I just want to repeatedly emphasize that HQ/Shiro has to go first and has best odds of scum in it, and I will probably start incessantly quoting this post for the rest of the day if I get a bunch of HQ spam. but I trust S_S and Alyssa to take it seriously

You completely ignoring the gamestate isn’t townie.

[Harley Quinn]

If gl does flip scum like I now think he will, it’s making me less confident ok Ydra but I could also see it as just straight up wifom.

I’m actually feeling better about SS now and a bit worried about RH9 but it’s more likely than not probably just gl/Ydra but I’m going to reserve judgment until she posts. I think I’ll be able to tell if my solve was right or not based on that.

Alyssa, are you seeing what I am here? What is your read off of gl/RH9 interactions?

[Harley Quinn]

Tin foil: Could it br gl/RH9?

lmao

way to make it obvious you didn't pay any attention yesterday

I was pushing RH9 the entire day

I AM paying attention and I’m starting to doubt Ydra scum now.

[Harley Quinn]

I think it’s gl/RH9.

[Harley Quinn]

i'm gonna post my thoughts tomorrow and then leave the dance but this game is a behemoth that stares me down tonight as i stare back and i gently shake my head at it

if anyone would like to offer me a crumb of good faith tho:

what's people's reads on galron/rh9
why do datisi/guiltylion both push out marci in that manner and risk tmi'ing that they know she's scum w them when everyone was gunning for norwee and also what do ppl actually think of fb's towncasing

Don’t leave, I’m starting to have doubts it’s you.

[Harley Quinn]

I think it’s gl/RH9.

[Harley Quinn]

Scumteam is GL/RH9

I want a fucking scummie post game. YW

[Harley Quinn]

I'm not opposed to switching around the first two. I still feel like my pair is the best chance to endgame but if not then it would probably be RH9/Alyssa.

If you want us to lose. GL tmi’d Dats/Ydra as town right after I said I wanted Altssa/RH9 to leave last. GL knows that both Andante/Tirus flips spew me/Shiro town and thinks RH9 has a much better chance wuth you/Galron in endgame.

It’s not rocket science.

[Harley Quinn]

Azelf used minimize and the attack missed.

I'm sorry. You said you didn't want to leave first or second?

I'm not opposed to switching around the first two. I still feel like my pair is the best chance to endgame but if not then it would probably be RH9/Alyssa.

lol im somewhat joking

idk id prefer not to leave next, i dont actually know what is the most optimal play for my pair right now.

im partially using that to downplay my confidence to see who says what but so far people seem to trust my judgment.

I’ve solved the game Taly, don’t let me down in dead thread. I’m counting on you. <3

[Harley Quinn]

Calm down, HQ. I'm not even voting you.

Because when me/Shiro flip T-T AND we will, you will look great for not having voted us.

Galron is bleeding obvtown and why does SS kill Titus when he knows I will 100% catch him?

GL - completely ignoring the gamestate that Abdante/Titus flips spew us town, wants us to die after Taly/Ydra. He thinks you can beat SS/Galron in f4 but I agree I think if SS/Galron endgame, we still win, we just won’t have a perfect town victory like I hoped. :/

[Harley Quinn]

HQ, remind me again why you still think that me and GL are scum together.

Because he is my strongest sr and he wants Ydra/Taly to leave because he tmi’d both Dats/Ydra town and I had just said I wanted you and Alyssa to leave last. And it’s wild that anyone thinks I would push that as scum.

SS would kill me/Shiro because I have caught him the last three times he was scum, so us still being alive and Titus dead doesn’t really make a lot of sense if he’s scum.

[Harley Quinn]

If you want us to lose. GL tmi’d Dats/Ydra as town right after I said I wanted Altssa/RH9 to leave last. GL knows that both Andante/Tirus flips spew me/Shiro town and thinks RH9 has a much better chance wuth you/Galron in endgame.

It’s not rocket science.

I'm pretty sure that team would still lose in F4. But like I said I'm not opposed to doing GL/Dats first, I just don't feel comfortable letting Ydrasse near endgame.

It’s fine because if town wants to ignore the beyond obvious that Andate doesn’t spend the game to kill me if we’re buddies and that me/Shiro have a clear path to victory by having Titus at f4, that’s on them.

Gl thinks you/Galron are more miselimable at f4 than me/Shiro and we’re now getting run up because me solving the game is the craziest thing ever.

[Harley Quinn]

After Shiro/HQ my tentative flip order would be Taly/Ydrasse -> GL/Dats -> RH9/Alyssa, I guess.

But I'm definitely willing to listen to Taly and Alyssa, my reads this game have not been super strong or super good.

Very disappointed in both you and Alyssa btw but I trust Taly not to let me down here.

[Harley Quinn]

I mean is there literally any pairing here that I would be able to push without somebody being disappointed in me

Yeah but I’m very sure it is exactly GL/RH9 and people don’t listen to dead town, so gl just gets more opportunities to bamboozle you all.


You said yoursel, why does Titus die if she didn’t nail the scumteam? Problem is she only needs to get one right for her nk to make sense.

And she did. Gl is blatantly obvious scum and he made that post if Ydra/Dats both toxn, me/Shiro next because his buddy RH9 are much easier to miselim.

Scum!SS kills me/Shiro and Galron is bleeding obvtown.

[Harley Quinn]

VoteCount 2.3

Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Datisi - GuiltyLion [2] - Shiro, Harley Quinn
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [0] -
Shiro - Harley Quinn [5] Datisi, Taly, GuiltyLion, Alyssa The Lamb, Ydrasse
Galron - Something_Smart [0] -

Not Voting [3]

RH9, Galron, Something_Smart,

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to execute

.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2022-01-08 02:00:00)

Wow, we’re at E-1 now. Congrats you guys, you just made it possible for RH9 to hammer a T-T pair. Great job!

[Harley Quinn]

Don’t let Titus/me die in vain. SS/Galron need to endgame.

[Harley Quinn]

VoteCount 2.3

Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Datisi - GuiltyLion [2] - Shiro, Harley Quinn
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [0] -
Shiro - Harley Quinn [5] Datisi, Taly, GuiltyLion, Alyssa The Lamb, Ydrasse
Galron - Something_Smart [0] -

Not Voting [3]

RH9, Galron, Something_Smart,

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to execute

.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2022-01-08 02:00:00)

Wow, we’re at E-1 now. Congrats you guys, you just made it possible for RH9 to hammer a T-T pair. Great job!

Me/Shiro= the only ones correctly on scum.

[Harley Quinn]

I hope you realize why your pairing has to die first if there is any chance that your slot can have scum in it

your pairing can have scum in it*

No because gl is pushing it. How is that not a flaming red flag to you you’re dead wring?

[Harley Quinn]

Once again, flips spew us town. Andante tries to kill me all game. Titus locktowns us with STD not a consensus sr. Flaming obvscim!gl tmi’d dats/Ydra town. We are obviously never scum with gl and you would all realize that if you listened to Titus.

[Harley Quinn]

I see you've been reading my posts

I saw gl tmi’ Dats/Ydra town and wants us dead so he can miselim SS/Galron. How you are not seeing that he’s very obviously informed here just baffles me.

[Harley Quinn]

He tried to kill us yesterday, calling for a “justice” wagon on unflipped town because he knows Fire wanted him to endgame.

How are you not seeing this?

[Harley Quinn]

I can't take the risk when I can see a scenario where Shiro is scum

the game is more winnable from this state if you're TvT than if we go the other direction and Shiro is scum

that's the short and simple of it

it's strategically the correct choice to flip your pairing first

No it’s not, the smart vote here is flaming obvscum gl and it’s a huge insult to both me and Titus not to flip him first. But sure kill us first and let him continue open wolf to endgame. Or set up RH9 to miselim SS/Galron because as soon as me/Shiro flip T-T, everyone is going to ignore this and hand gl/RH9 the victory.

[Harley Quinn]

I see more than you think I do

Then why are you not voting gl?

[Harley Quinn]

If me/Shiro are scum here, Andante doesn’t spend the entire game trying to kill us. We don’t kill Titus who locktowned both of us when STD is still pushable, so by killing the most obvious t - t pairing first, no less, you’re making it super easy for gl to win, so when he and RH9 win, it will all be on your heads.

[Harley Quinn]

Let it go Harley, we tried to make them see reason.

It is always like this, nobody listens to the dead no matter how right they were, that's why correct people are killed.

I don’t understand why they are willing to let flaming obvscum survive another day over obvious t - t pair. This will turn out to be another Timeshift except Alyssa’s town this time.

[Harley Quinn]

and if Datisi/GL are TvT, then Shiro endgaming would be entirely on your head

Datsi/GL are TvS.

[Harley Quinn]

no, definitely don't leave

I think for completeness sake we should know where Smart/RH9 stand on everything, I'm not sure at all who they want to flip here and why

lol now you don’t want them to leave - Right after I caught you.

[Harley Quinn]

I mean personally I dont scumread GL and I think it is Datisi that is the scum but the results are the same for me. If I am wrong and you and TItus are right it is still the same pairing that needs to go.

He tmi’d both town. He said if both of them are town, kill us, with no logical explanation for it. That’s when I realized RH9 made the most sense as his buddy.

Because his take on me correctly nailing gl as scum made absolutely no sense and if he tmi’d Ydra/Dats as town, he can miselim SS/Galron.

[Harley Quinn]

Will it be though or they will attempt to make you go for Alyssa and RH

nah we absolutely have to be next if you are T/T, solely because if we aren't and we are T-T then it's instant gg

Sure and make sure your buddy RH9 is early on that wagon.

[Harley Quinn]

if both pairings are TvT, then we're in a lot of trouble I think

otherwise I think we don't lose

Titus didn’t have either of us in her solve and STD was very pushable. You’re making the exact same mistake Cakez made in Pokemon when Mastina died > confitown Cakez. Why does either scum!Shiro or scum!me make things unnecessarily difficult by killing our best shot to endgame?

which is bringing Titus to f4 and then her leaving?

We are also spewed town by Andante constantly trying to kill me. Duh.

[Harley Quinn]

Why, Tipsy Titus? Deliver your wisdom to me.

Shiro scum tends to nope out. Nancy has a certain tone when FoSed. It's annoying in terms of mafia games but I legit believe it's something she can't help.

[Harley Quinn]

thanks HQ

I'll take that into consideration

It will be too late once RH9 hammers us because we’re at E - 1 now.

[Harley Quinn]

Once again, flips spew us town. Andante tries to kill me all game. Titus locktowns us with STD not a consensus sr. Flaming obvscim!gl tmi’d dats/Ydra town. We are obviously never scum with gl and you would all realize that if you listened to Titus.

And Fire lock towned me and Datisi, so we're tied on dead townies locktowning us. And everyone wanted to get Fire out of the game by way of Andante

HQ I promise I will roll over and accept the lim if your pair is T-T. It means we prob lose this game, but you have my word

Fire also townlocked Sakura and flaming obvscum FL. You’re not town here but by killing us fitst, you get to set up RH9 to win. Congrats.

[Harley Quinn]

I am planning to leave anyway Harley. There is no point, the paranoia we are creating is doing more harm than good.

I’m just pissed that we’re dying over flaming obvscum and my reads will be ignored and gl will coach RH9 to miselim SS/Galron.

It’s so fuvking predictable.

SS/Galron must endgame

Don’t ignore this.

[Harley Quinn]

I am planning to leave anyway Harley. There is no point, the paranoia we are creating is doing more harm than good.

When? I was planning to hammer before I went to bed but I can hold off for a bit, I just don't want this to drag on too much.

Why do you want to help scum?

[Harley Quinn]

Scumteam is GL/RH9

I want a fucking scummie post game. YW

[Harley Quinn]

Titus you two. Join me!

After Adante flips scum.

[Harley Quinn]

Are scum playing like an insanely good game or do we just have enough town egos butting heads we can't see the clearing from the trees

I think it's the latter. The problem FMPOV is by and large Titus and HQ townreading Shiro and tunneling Datisi/me for

daring

to scumread that slot, mixed with everyone ruling out RH9/Alyssa pair for ??? reasons.

I am at the point where Alyssa is casing Andante and I need to think about it

I can definitely see Andante scum but I've been kinda just assuming Fire would leave by default if needed and all the arguing between Titus/HQ and Dats/me has felt more important to reach some kind of resolution to, because otherwise that fight just continues into second dance regardless of what Andante flips.

This is the second post trying to divert attention away from Adante without actually townreading Adante. Scum resolve deadlocks via nightkills. We should vote scumreads, yet GL is focused on breaking my townblock.

I keep looking for things to prove myself wrong and find evidence proving my theory instead.

[Harley Quinn]

I've got my theory as to who the third is but I'm like 95% sure it's GL Adante Ydrasse.

Titus doesn’t die here if both gl/Ydra are town and it’s pretty damned obvious to me, gl is scum.

[Harley Quinn]

if
your
pairing
is
TvT
then
GL
never
endgames
ever

He doesn’t need to but it makes no sense you limming us over either go/Ydra except he tmi’d her and dats town and I’m pretty damned sure scum!SS kills us here and Galron is bleeding obvtown.

[Harley Quinn]

I've got my theory as to who the third is but I'm like 95% sure it's GL Adante Ydrasse.

Titus doesn’t die here if both gl/Ydra are town and it’s pretty damned obvious to me, gl is scum.

[Harley Quinn]

I've got my theory as to who the third is but I'm like 95% sure it's GL Adante Ydrasse.

Titus doesn’t die here if both gl/Ydra are town and it’s pretty damned obvious to me, gl is scum.

[Harley Quinn]

Shiro/GL/Aly/Taly

leave in this order?

lost my faith in both of you.

[Harley Quinn]

Shiro/GL/Aly/Taly

leave in this order?

Seems fine by me and if it is Galron or SS well GG to them.

It’s not.

[Harley Quinn]

If gl actually flips town here, I will legit be gobsmacked.

fake bravado

if you're town, you'd be truly better served to never make this kind of post. All this does is look worse on you when I flip green today

Because I’m right,

[Harley Quinn]

you lost your faith in players for agreeing to a leave order that ensures town wins by your measure

O K A Y

Yep

[Harley Quinn]

if Ydra/Datisi both flip town I think HQ/Shiro has to go next

Alyssa, RH9, S_S, Galron - agree or disagree?

[

Sorry Shiro. But I’ve had all intend to put up with this timeshit town.

I will leave because I’m obviously not getting through to you.

[Harley Quinn]

if Ydra/Datisi both flip town I think HQ/Shiro has to go next

Alyssa, RH9, S_S, Galron - agree or disagree?

[

Sorry Shiro. But I’ve had all intend to put up with this timeshit town.

I will leave because I’m obviously not getting through to you.

timeshift

[Harley Quinn]

I’m about ready tnleave besides being certain on Shiro!town.

Just say the word.,

[Harley Quinn]

and obviously if only Shiro is scum, then I do think Galron is a viable partner for her as I've stated earlier

Great we’re for sure losing now.

Congrats gl/RH9. gg

[Harley Quinn]

Taly has left in the Second Dance

He was aligned with the

Town

Ydrasse has left in the Second Dance

She was aligned with the

Mafia

.

Congrats to the

Town

of Datisi, GuiltyLion, Titus, Save The Dragons, Taly, RH9, Galron, Firebringer, Not_Mafia, Alyssa The Lamb, Malakittens, Shiro, HarleyQuinn, for winning Holiday Dance Party!

Thanks to the Mafia of Ydrasse, Andante, Something_Smart and Marcistar for putting up a valiant contest!

Wow, complete shocker that I was right that Titus doesn’t die if no scum in her PoE.

When three dead town, Norwee, Shiro, Titus tell you someone is scum in their dying reads, perhaps that shouldn’t be ignored.

Had I not been so tunnelled on gl for his horribad tunnell on us, I would have seen that too. Ydrasse has been frozen flailing scum ever since we got miselimed and it only intensified after SS got yeeted.

[Harley Quinn]

WHY WAS I ALIVE SO LONG

[Harley Quinn]

This game was infinitely harder than it ever needed to be

It could have ended a lot sooner if we hadn’t gotten miselimed and you hadn’t ignored Titus’ dying reads.

[Harley Quinn]

taly my toucan im so sorry i had to do that to you </3

but also

YOU MISSED ME

TRYING TO SCUMSLIP

TO YOU IN THE PT

As soon as Taly said that you went along with everything he said in there and had no independent opinions of your own, I knew you were scum.

Same reason I knew Shiro wasn’t and I reversed my RH9 sr after Alyssa paraphrased hers.

[Harley Quinn]

This game was infinitely harder than it ever needed to be

everyone in this game made it harder on ourselves.
If we stuck to the plan of dats/gl endgame pair lets yeet everyone else, we would ahve been finished weeks ago.

We were the obvious T - T pairing after Andante/Titus flips and after SS, it should have been Alyssa/RH9.

[Harley Quinn]

pretty sure taly said the exact opposite of that lmfao

One way to find out:

My

Ydra

progression began with a townread that has all but changed through various levels of confidence

It initially began because I don't think

Ydra

sets herself up for late-game WIFOM or challenge as scum. It's not something she'd want to deal with nor would she believe to survive through it.

We proceeded to build a PT that is now about 10 pages long with her dwarfing my post count.

None of her posts seem overtly intent to control my perception or manipulate a scenario. If anything, she has mindmelded with me at some points or at least understood where I came from on a read or scenario.

And I don't think

Ydra

waltzes into the thread right now and says

"I'm worthless"

when it doesn't seem like it will take a lot to dissuade suspicion on her given the current gamestate.

lololololol

[Harley Quinn]

This game was infinitely harder than it ever needed to be

It could have ended a lot sooner if we hadn’t gotten miselimed and you hadn’t ignored Titus’ dying reads.

don't

just don't

Sorry but I won’t ever apologize for speaking the truth.

[Harley Quinn]

pretty sure taly said the exact opposite of that lmfao

One way to find out:

My

Ydra

progression began with a townread that has all but changed through various levels of confidence

It initially began because I don't think

Ydra

sets herself up for late-game WIFOM or challenge as scum. It's not something she'd want to deal with nor would she believe to survive through it.

We proceeded to build a PT that is now about 10 pages long with her dwarfing my post count.

None of her posts seem overtly intent to control my perception or manipulate a scenario. If anything, she has mindmelded with me at some points or at least understood where I came from on a read or scenario.

And I don't think

Ydra

waltzes into the thread right now and says

"I'm worthless"

when it doesn't seem like it will take a lot to dissuade suspicion on her given the current gamestate.

lololololol

6622, is when I knew Ydra was scum.

[Harley Quinn]

This game was infinitely harder than it ever needed to be

It could have ended a lot sooner if we hadn’t gotten miselimed and you hadn’t ignored Titus’ dying reads.

don't

just don't

Sorry but I won’t ever apologize for speaking the truth.

[Harley Quinn]

This game was infinitely harder than it ever needed to be

It could have ended a lot sooner if we hadn’t gotten miselimed and you hadn’t ignored Titus’ dying reads.

don't

just don't

Sorry but I won’t ever apologize for speaking the truth.

could you possibly show the slightest amount of grace toward other players for once in your life

Could you possibly acknowledge the reality - that me and Shiro were treated poorly in this game?

But hey sure fucking pile on me. I’m always the scapegoat when I’m the one who’s wronged although it was more Shiro than myself I truly felt bad for.

Hearing Shiro get so upset in our pt, just broke my heart but because I’m human and not a rock, I’m now getting shit on both publicly and privately.

[Harley Quinn]

being misread in the game is not being treated poorly

it happens and everyone makes mistakes

you are absurdly abusive toward anyone who expresses the slightest disagreement toward you

it is utterly repellant behavior and you very clearly made multiple people uncomfortable but they don't speak up because they don't want to withstand a torrent of abuse from you

the absolute minimum amount of decency you could show is to show some kindness to people for getting it right even if they made mistakes. it's not like you were perfect. but you are incapable of clearing that very low bar because you are more concerned with being nasty to anyone you perceive as having wrong you. it is disgusting.

Practice what you preach then and this post is a horrible example of that if this is what you’re doing.

[Harley Quinn]

being misread in the game is not being treated poorly

it happens and everyone makes mistakes

you are absurdly abusive toward anyone who expresses the slightest disagreement toward you

it is utterly repellant behavior and you very clearly made multiple people uncomfortable but they don't speak up because they don't want to withstand a torrent of abuse from you

the absolute minimum amount of decency you could show is to show some kindness to people for getting it right even if they made mistakes. it's not like you were perfect. but you are incapable of clearing that very low bar because you are more concerned with being nasty to anyone you perceive as having wrong you. it is disgusting.

Practice what you preach then and this post is a horrible example of that if this is what you’re doing.

Ftr, if any post in this game is “absurdly abusive and repellent”, I can’t think of a better example than literally 7403

Glass houses . . . . . . . . . . . . you know the rest.

[Harley Quinn]

I considered holding my tongue out of decorum but frankly continuing to do so is just allowing her to get away with being awful unrebuked. I won't bog this down with further arguments, I have no doubt she will not change in the slightest, but I couldn't bring myself to be silent any longer and allow this to go unchecked. Apologies for the discomfort to anyone else.

Add 7407 to that list of hypocritical opinions.

If you were being honest in the slightest here, you wouldn’t have ignored the fact that I requested the mod either full out redact/edit multiple posts from me in the dead thread. He redacted one by accident but it’s probably no great loss.

[Harley Quinn]

I considered holding my tongue out of decorum but frankly continuing to do so is just allowing her to get away with being awful unrebuked. I won't bog this down with further arguments, I have no doubt she will not change in the slightest, but I couldn't bring myself to be silent any longer and allow this to go unchecked. Apologies for the discomfort to anyone else.

Add 7407 to that list of hypocritical opinions.

If you were being honest in the slightest here, you wouldn’t have ignored the fact that I requested the mod either full out redact/edit multiple posts from me in the dead thread. He redacted one by accident but it’s probably no great loss.

And I mainly did that for both Taly and Alyssa - two people I have nothing but the greatest respect for both as players, human beings in general and hopefully still friends.

I apologize Alyssa, despite catboi’s misreading of my post, my honest intention was not in any way to be a bitch. It’s an ongoing struggle for me not to say what’s exactly on my mind. I’m often don’t even realize I’ve said anything at all offensive until after the fact but I get so infuriated for getting unfairly attacked for that, that I lose sight of the inaccurate perception of what I actually intended to say and how it came out very differently than I intended.

[Harley Quinn]

Fire's got it right.

Yeah, pretty impressed he had the whole scumteam correct and early too.

[Harley Quinn]

I considered holding my tongue out of decorum but frankly continuing to do so is just allowing her to get away with being awful unrebuked. I won't bog this down with further arguments, I have no doubt she will not change in the slightest, but I couldn't bring myself to be silent any longer and allow this to go unchecked. Apologies for the discomfort to anyone else.

Not accepted. Do better.

[Harley Quinn]

I considered holding my tongue out of decorum but frankly continuing to do so is just allowing her to get away with being awful unrebuked. I won't bog this down with further arguments, I have no doubt she will not change in the slightest, but I couldn't bring myself to be silent any longer and allow this to go unchecked. Apologies for the discomfort to anyone else.

Not accepted. Do better.

Cb shitting on me like this isn’t okay. But if I say what I honestly think of this post, it would likely net me a temp ban, so won’t go there but I’m 100% NOT okay with him opportunistically beating up on me like this.

[Harley Quinn]

I considered holding my tongue out of decorum but frankly continuing to do so is just allowing her to get away with being awful unrebuked. I won't bog this down with further arguments, I have no doubt she will not change in the slightest, but I couldn't bring myself to be silent any longer and allow this to go unchecked. Apologies for the discomfort to anyone else.

Not accepted. Do better.

Cb shitting on me like this isn’t okay. But if I say what I honestly think of this post, it would likely net me a temp ban, so won’t go there but I’m 100% NOT okay with him opportunistically beating up on me like this.

Next time cb, I will report you. Consider yourself warned.

[Harley Quinn]

being misread in the game is not being treated poorly

it happens and everyone makes mistakes

you are absurdly abusive toward anyone who expresses the slightest disagreement toward you

it is utterly repellant behavior and you very clearly made multiple people uncomfortable but they don't speak up because they don't want to withstand a torrent of abuse from you

the absolute minimum amount of decency you could show is to show some kindness to people for getting it right even if they made mistakes. it's not like you were perfect. but you are incapable of clearing that very low bar because you are more concerned with being nasty to anyone you perceive as having wrong you. it is disgusting.

this is because of her dyslexia more than anything tbf

but yeah it made things a lot harder because I was spending a ton of time just trying to not have a million posts shoved up my ass when I was already lowkey emotionally compromised

<3

That’s only part of it. Also ADHD and probably autism are also factors but Titus made probably the most insightful post I’ve ever read about me ever.

[Harley Quinn]

being misread in the game is not being treated poorly

it happens and everyone makes mistakes

you are absurdly abusive toward anyone who expresses the slightest disagreement toward you

it is utterly repellant behavior and you very clearly made multiple people uncomfortable but they don't speak up because they don't want to withstand a torrent of abuse from you

the absolute minimum amount of decency you could show is to show some kindness to people for getting it right even if they made mistakes. it's not like you were perfect. but you are incapable of clearing that very low bar because you are more concerned with being nasty to anyone you perceive as having wrong you. it is disgusting.

Actually this post is objectively disgusting and perhaps, I ought to seriously consider reporting it? There is honestly no objective reason for anyone to make this kind of post unless their express goal is to bully, beat up and intentionally be unnecessarily cruel just to make themselves feel better at my expense.

[Harley Quinn]

Like anytime HQ comes at u with a "I don't understand this" or "Please help me understand" don't take that bait. She isn't trying to undersatnd u, she is just trying to get u to continue the conversation so she can argue with u more. Thats an FYI to everyone who is getting upset when u get stuck in these argument circles with her.

She isn't genuinely trying to understand ur POV. When she says she doesn't understand what she means is "I don't understand why you dont just agree with me. You should be agreeing with me". Thats all it is.

That's not true. It may seem that way but Nancy has a hard time understanding things that don't go along with her worldview.

Thats basically what i just said.

No. It's the opposite. Nancy tries to understand but struggles. It's the same reason she implodes when pushed.

Like anytime HQ comes at u with a "I don't understand this" or "Please help me understand" don't take that bait. She isn't trying to undersatnd u, she is just trying to get u to continue the conversation so she can argue with u more. Thats an FYI to everyone who is getting upset when u get stuck in these argument circles with her.

She isn't genuinely trying to understand ur POV. When she says she doesn't understand what she means is "I don't understand why you dont just agree with me. You should be agreeing with me". Thats all it is.

That's not true. It may seem that way but Nancy has a hard time understanding things that don't go along with her worldview.

[Harley Quinn]

we don't need to air out drama in post game.
this is for fun and rehab for all the trauma we all endured to get here.

if u have problems with someone we can deal with that by calmly discussing it, not sniping at each other, though in my experience its not ever gonna be a calm discussion so probably just best to avoid that.

Harley, if you have problems with players and how they played u know especially with people u already have very high contention with constructive feedback of things to do to people u think played poorly is better than just saying you shouldn't make X mistake or ignored Y. Not everyone sees game like you, so how will they know next time that they should listen to Y, or how does voting X a mistake here. Also again people don't understand other peoples metas like you do, so if yo uare offering improvements there, it won't likely help to tell them they should know your understanding of meta. If you think they could improve on meta knowledge or exposure good fine.

The listening to X part is a difficult thing to ask because the person they ahve to be listening to usually has to have proven track record of being right on X for it to be of merit to people, and most peoples true track records are complex and usually a texas sharpshooter fallacy, if you think X made good arguments then its usually better to rely on those good arguments than saying X is right. Unless X has good track recrod on Y or has general tendency of record.

Anyways, thats my long piece on that. I am gonna go workout.

This game was fun

Expressing my opinions clearly and well, is and continues to be unfortunately the bane of my mafia existence. It’s always crystal clear in my head but I often struggle to explain it as clearly as I see it. I just get it but especially when I get tunnelled, it makes doing that even harder than it otherwise would be.

[Harley Quinn]

Also sorry Shiro,

Your posting was really funny, I loved these two in particular:

do you have a thought of who it is

if it's ydrasse say something in code like "The Goose" so that you're not talking about Ydrasse and i'll catch your meaning

Btw this is for all you stressed friends in the game

https://voca.ro/1mFHSKgd9zbS

Blame Titus for inspiring me.

They should've made my top ten but I have very bad memory when I was making up the list.

Wow Shiro, you are amazingly talented. If you ever make a CD, please send me a copy. <3

Sorry, I did plan to listen to your post in our pt, I just forgot.

[Harley Quinn]

I should make a mafia game where all posters have to do nothing but children's book titles to communicate for a phase.

Hectic had a game where we could only communicate with animal sounds but I’d definitely /in for that.

You could design a really cool setup too, like have curious George either be watcher and have Alice be some variation of survivor. Goldilocks could be motion detector. Bluebeard gf, Cinderella. BrightEyedFish, Ariel.

I know, title it Goldilocks and the Three Pookys or something.

I know you were joiking but I’m absolutely serious. It really would make for an awesome design concept.

[Harley Quinn]

I should make a mafia game where all posters have to do nothing but children's book titles to communicate for a phase.

Hectic had a game where we could only communicate with animal sounds but I’d definitely /in for that.

You could design a really cool setup too, like have curious George either be watcher and have Alice be some variation of survivor. Goldilocks could be motion detector. Bluebeard gf, Cinderella, IC. BrightEyedFish, Ariel.

I know, title it Goldilocks and the Three Pookys or something.

I know you were joiking but I’m absolutely serious. It really would make for an awesome design concept.

[Harley Quinn]

I should make a mafia game where all posters have to do nothing but children's book titles to communicate for a phase.

Pre-in, but under the understanding that I'm just going to spam quotes from Everybody Poops.

I would love to see games based on Dr. Seuss books.

[Harley Quinn]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FJQCGKH?bi ... sb_pc_tukn

These are the ones our 2.5 year old are into right now.

You must never touch a spider . . . unless it's in this book.

Really good advice.

I guess that could work too but you’ve given me some really great theme ideas.

[Harley Quinn]

To be honest, this game made me realise just how bad my memory is.

That’s probably my greatest strength playing mafia. My short term memory is absolute garbage but I probably have - hands down - one of the best long term memories on the site. I literally caught scum that way in a game by recalling a game almost three years’ old where scum did a very similar thing and I turned out to be right about that.

[Harley Quinn]

ok I'm back for slightly more postgame thoughts

first off Pooky thanks for modding and hosting I had so much fun and it was a really well run game, everything on schedule, prompt replacements, you did a great job I really appreciate it thank you

man this was a wild game

I think all the scum played really well and in a weird way some of the pivotal lims like marci to start it off and S_S at 8p were in part due to people wrongly tunneling their town partners which like, I don't even know how you play around that as scum lol, which makes it hard to feel like town outplayed scum at the end of the day but lots of fortunate moments lead to this. but yeah each scum had me townreading them at times and maaaan it was hard to ever feel good about anything this game, just a lot of strong performances undone by some bad luck at key moments. one of those weird games where everyone had a mix of correct townreads and scumreads and incorrect ones elsewhere and we never blocked totally cohesively but yet managed to create a difficult gamestate for scum to control

Fire you were a champ man you had the best reads of all of us, you were also my true breath of sanity in this game. Datisi was like along with me for the ride with me in the madness but you were always like the calm sage giving off the needed chill vibes like "no worries we got this", I think the main reason I didn't want Andante limmed was cause I didn't want you out of the game

Alyssa I feel I learned a lot from your perspectives this game you have a very unique and cool way of playing the game

RH9 you were so fun and I feel bad I spent so much of the game scumreading you, in a weird way your presence in the game kinda kept me grounded in a way cause it was always entertaining to see what you were up to - and you were on the ball lategame pressuring Smart, defending me, like I think you played a low key really important role in 8p shaking out the way it did

Taly, great job playing through starting in the least desirable position and you came through in the clutch, well done man. I feel I didn't engage with you as much as I should have since I knew your alignment the whole time, but you contributed such a fun vibe to the thread especially when things felt rough or difficult

HQ/Shiro I'm so sorry for yeeting your pair, I had moments of townreading each of you individually but I just couldn't get over why you were such a united front, end of the day that misread is on me and I know it probably felt super unfair at the time since Datisi/I basically had the same kinda united front goin on on our end.

Titus was super obvtown and really held a lot of the town together in the first dance - I do wanna see you eat that hat though ;P

LLD/catboi/Prism/Cabd/Mala - wish y'all could have stayed in the game longer, I remember at one point in like page 200 or whatever I was rereading catboi's ISO and feeling like it was a totally different game when you all were still in it lol. I'm not sure what the OOG spoiler was that lead to the initial replace outs but I guess Cabd had to replace out even though he was informed because him

not

replacing out would have given away that he was informed? thanks for protecting the integrity of the game man that's so important even though it sucks to leave games we wanted to play. catboi in particular I would love to play with ya again sometime soon, I've read some of your other games but never played with you but I feel like I always enjoy reading your perspective in games and this was no exception

Galron I felt so proud of myself for reading you correctly as scum and as town in our last two games together and then I just totally whiffed on you on this one, I hope future games I'll get it right I feel bad how often I called you obvscum in my PT lmao

STD always a delight to play with!! a lot of your posts made me laugh this game, 4151 probably my favorite, and you and Titus both were a really effective pair here I think this game would have been like a million times easier if you two hadn't been the ones NK'd

N_M with the perfect voting record this game, town MVP probably tbh

Datisi you know how I feel

Thank you so much for that gl, I really appreciate you saying that. <3
I tried to explain that because I have hydra’d with Shiro so many times and had numerous discord convos during those times, that I would very easily been able spot right away if I thought that anything was even slightly off about him, because when you hydra with someone, you have lots of private convos where you discuss reads with that person, so if Shiro acted different in our pt than he did in our private discord chats, the difference would be obvious. Had I literally never had the experience of hydraing with Shiro prior to us having pts, then no, I probably wouldn’t have been that confident but pts and hydra discord chats aren’t all that different and that was the main reason. Also I did read one of his scumgames and he did very little in that to advance the game + I also trusted that Titus - having also had the experience of playing and hydraing with Shiro would also be able to read him well. As for Shiro, I’m assuming he also utilized his experience hydraing with me to read me but you’ll have to ask him why he was so confident I was town. I can only speak for myself wrt my read on him.

[Harley Quinn]

Titus was super obvtown and really held a lot of the town together in the first dance - I do wanna see you eat that hat though ;P

Find me a video service. Recording will happen Sunday.

Oh dear. Are you actually going to eat your hat?

Hopefully, nothing bad ends up happening.

I'm not capable of actually eating a hat (unless I find hat shaped candies) but the image is good enough. The reference came out of Titus meet 1 anyway.

Oh. That is a relief. I thought that you actually were going to eat one.

And then I was worried that something bad will result from it.

It’s an expression not meant to be taken literally.